She is not here yet, so I'm sliding over the roll.

My name is Mike Christine, and I just got elected another term uh to serve on landmarks.

I'm very proud to do that.

So we're gonna do uh call to order.

We'll just do roll call.

Marty Larson.

Linda Cordell, Andrew Durantes.

Mike Christine.

Matt Ratzak.

Tony Lanza.

All righty.

Let's get underway.

So we have some people signed up for uh public comment.

If uh when your name is called, come on up, state your uh address.

Um we're gonna call up Lauren.

Am I saying that right?

Or both of you?

Oh, I'm sorry, yeah.

Lauren, if you want to come on up, uh state your name.

Uh Mike?

Yes.

If they're here for an item, would you want them to speak during the items?

Oh that's probably best.

Okay, we can do that.

Thank you, Doug.

Okay.

Okay.

So uh next we have uh did anybody get a chance?

Don't act, you don't have to speak now of uh speak now.

I don't think so, yeah.

Unless you wanted yeah, okay.

Not right now.

Good to go.

Guess I'm good to go.

According to Charlie, so thank you.

Okay, thanks.

Welcome, Lauren.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks, Charlie.

Yeah, I'm just your item will come up.

Uh yeah.

All righty, I gotta stick.

What is that?

Oh, you probably don't want to I gotta stick to the script.

So now's the time on the clock and the agenda when Charlie's going to run to the parking lot.

Who's timing him?

Doug, he's got a record to beat 42 seconds.

Come on.

We're gonna tell Alicia, our great new mayor.

I'm sure they're having similar issues over in the uh planning room with IT as we speak.

Doug, did he make it under 42 seconds?

Yes.

Fantastic.

Charlie, you got a new record.

Thank you.

All right.

And uh did anyone get a chance to uh review the minutes, and we're looking for a motion for approval of minutes from April 1st.

I had a question on the minutes.

Um it says that the minutes from March were not approved.

That there was not a quorum, but I don't see the March minutes listed on here, or were they approved at a later time?

No, they weren't.

So they didn't have a quorum.

We had people, but because they were absent from that meeting, they abstained, so we didn't have a quorum to vote on it.

So they should have been on this agenda.

We can put them on for next time.

Yeah, next time.

Okay.

Yep.

Okay.

So those that uh reviewed uh the minutes from March and April.

Um this April?

Okay, thank you.

Did you guys get a chance to review?

Or we can hold it over for our I wasn't here.

Okay, June.

We will hold that over for I do believe it's June 8th, is our next meeting.

No, that's that might be cemetery.

We will uh hold this over for June 3rd.

It is June 3rd, okay.

Cemetery is uh first Wednesday in June, whenever that's all right.

We will hold the approval of the minutes for our next meeting in June.

Both months, yes.

And I don't think we need to have a motion on that because it wasn't on the uh agenda.

Yep.

Thank you, Charlie.

Thank you, Marty.

That moves on to landmarks commission paint and repair grant funds.

An update, Charlie.

All right.

So as you know, uh paint and repair grants are uh typically approved uh in an increasing scale, roughly 15% of the cost of a project up to a maximum of three thousand dollars.

Uh landmarks mission may use discretion to change award amounts based on project scope, overall impact, fund availability, and any other circumstances.

Uh so this year we had 26 25,000 uh was allocated for paint and repair grant uh funds.

Um and we do have confirmation that that uh we have that money available.

Uh so that is good to uh allocate um and and it will for sure be able to be uh to be distributed.

Um but approvals will need to be conditional on approval from Washau County and the ship SHIPO uh state historic preservation office compliance that we have to send them the uh the the approvals so that they can review them as well.

Um so far we have two thousand four hundred and thirty-two dollars left over from 2025 projects.

That is a reduction from last month.

So we did have one of the two remaining projects.

Uh they were able to I don't think they had completed it, but they had gotten enough of the work done that they were able to get the grant for it.

Uh and so this is there's just one project that's remaining, and they had uh hope that it would be done sometime this spring.

So uh and at the last meeting, you approved grants for a total of four thousand five hundred dollars, which means you have twenty thousand five hundred dollars available.

Question when we because we have some grants being requested today.

Do we have to when we motion, do we have to say uh approval from Walkershire County and Shippo compliance, or is that because you have that stated here, or how are we supposed to appropriately um incorporate it?

You certainly could.

I don't think it's you know, if it's if it's since it's stated here and you all understand, I think if if you know, unless one of you is to say I don't want to wait for that, I I don't I don't think it would be you know, I think that's kind of understood.

Okay, so as long as the people requesting it's on their form too that yeah, they have to be approved by us and these other two.

Yeah, okay.

But if it you know it might help to state that just to you know put it into the record if you wanted to.

All right, thank you, Charlie.

Um, I do believe we need a motion on this to approve we do not it was just a informational.

All right.

Thank you, Charlie.

That moves on to old business.

All right, so this is uh certificate of appropriateness uh consultation for painting the house at 225 West Laflin Avenue.

Uh this is uh in the Laughlin Avenue Historic District on the the south side of Laffin Avenue, just uh two houses in from uh from Grand Avenue.

Uh and this is the Nina and Richard E.

Roberts House, which was built in 1920 and has uh craftsman style architecture, and it is a constrict contributing structure in the Laughlin Avenue Historic District.

As you can see, the house has stucco siding, which is currently colored gray.

Um there is some wear and there are a few small cracks on the stucco siding.

Uh so the applicants had applied to uh both repair those minor to minor uh repair to those cracks and to paint the house.

So these are the colors that they had provided uh for the previous meeting.

Uh they hadn't they hadn't at that time uh settled on a color, but they were looking at at those color schemes.

And then they had also noted in the application that they had previously replaced the roof, uh, and they didn't realize when they did that that uh it required uh landmarks commission approval.

Um it does look like the roof matches uh the the landmarks commission standards, so that wouldn't be something that uh that would be a cause for the you know that they would have to fix.

So um this basically this is uh repairing minor stucco cracks and repainting the stucco siding, and you didn't take any m action on it at the previous meeting because the applicants weren't here and they don't technically need approval for the painting, it would just be for the paint and repair grant.

So uh since uh Matt is in the audience tonight, Matt, do you want to come up and say anything?

We don't have to.

But if you wish.

Thank you, Matt.

If you could state your uh name and address.

Uh Matthew Lane 225 West Laflin Avenue.

Um, we've been trying to get this house repaired for a while.

And uh painting is always second.

It always came in second.

So uh there's other stuff we got to do this year.

Um we just finally started having water leak in the base, and we've never had it before.

And it might have been because they paved the road, and it's slightly higher now, but um, that's gonna be about ten thousand dollars to get it all waterproofed again.

And it might have been because they paved the road and it's slightly higher now, but um that's gonna be about ten thousand dollars to get it all waterproofed again, and uh that needs to happen sooner and later.

Um, but we keep putting the painting off, and it just gets worse and worse.

So the cracks are starting to appear.

So I had somebody look at that, and they said they can patch that up pretty good, and on top of that, they'll blast all the old paint off and then paint it with the new paint.

Um we really like the uh the historical look.

This is this is the one we're going for.

The colors were on there, but this would be the actual um color scheme of the house.

Um side of that, other than it's an old house and it needs more than I have.

Um the fence will probably go up this year.

Um, and uh yeah, I didn't know the uh the roof had to be uh uh looked at before, and uh I think it looks pretty good.

The old roof was pretty much the same thing.

Um so I I think the the color matches pretty well with the historic, or at least what I know the color was anyway.

So Matt, how long have you been in the home?

Uh since 2011.

Okay, yeah.

So I was there before the family.

Okay, so they came later.

All right.

Well, we appreciate you uh uh preserving it and working, but you're assuming you're working with a contractor.

Yep, yep, contractor.

Uh we had the college uh college works.

I'm sure somebody's been visited by them.

Um so all the kill college kids are gonna come out and uh I think they said it would be about two weeks two week long process, depending on how much uh they have to repair with the cracks, but you definitely have to have that dried out before you top coat it because that's just sealing in uh moisture, and I'm glad we're glad you're taking care of uh the cracks and stopping the water intrusion because that never never gets uh better.

Do you guys have any questions?

Okay, Charlie, do you have any comments?

Nope.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And then uh stick around because we're still gonna talk about a little more.

Charlie, you want to go to the next phase of this?

Nope.

Sure.

Uh do you want to I guess a motion to approve the COA 2603189?

Marty, that sounds like a motion.

That's a second, right?

Well, I've got a motion that uh the roof.

Do we have to state that you've approved it already after the fact?

Or should we just say motion we do approve the roof that was installed and the painting?

I would suggest the roof in there because now that we know about we talked about it.

He says it's like for like, and he is what's on it.

So motion to approve the roof that has been completed and the paint job as stated.

Thank you, Marty.

Do we have a second?

I'll second that.

All right.

To a vote.

All in favor.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Hi.

Aye.

All right.

That passes unanimously.

We're gonna get a sign from Doug before we move on.

All righty.

That brings us to uh ID 26-03190.

Charlie.

All right.

Uh so this is uh just a not obviously not very good.

Good screenshot, but it's not a good option, Charlie.

Uh, but it does show their uh their uh estimate.

Uh the estimated cost is sixteen thousand five hundred and seventy-three dollars uh for the paint work.

So uh 15% of that cost is uh $2,485.95 cents.

And as uh as Alderman Chris noted, uh you know, sealing the the uh sealing the cracks and preventing the moisture from getting in will prevent uh further deterioration of the uh of the stucco.

Uh so hopefully that will uh keep the house in good good condition, and that would be a prevention of uh uh future blights, I guess.

The only question I had before we move on other discussion was uh I hope the college youth are not doing the repair stucco working okay, thank you.

Are there any other questions?

All right, with that we're looking for a motion.

I'll make motion to um approve the 15% cost allowance on the project.

question I had before we move on other discussion was uh I hope the college youth are not doing the repair stucco work you okay thank you are there any other questions all right with that we're looking for a motion I'll make motion to um approve the 15 percent cost allowance on the project all right do we have a second all right we'll wait get a sign from Doug all right now it's time to vote I all right that passes unanimously thank you and thank you for keeping up on your house uh and getting those cracks fixed all right let's move on to new business uh 26-03483 Charlie all right so this is 912 North Barstow Street uh it is on the west side of Barsoe Street uh between Main Street and the river um this is the William P.

Sloan House so just so you can see the map there uh is the William C P Sloan house it was built in 1841 uh actually originally at the uh northeast corner of uh of Barstow which was then bridge street and main street so that's the uh uh the discount liquor parking lot now uh right across the street from where it is now uh it was moved to its current location in 1890 uh and this was the uh first stone building uh constructed in wakeshaw county it's one of the oldest uh buildings in the city um William P.

Sloan was a law partner of Governor Alexander Randall and was also Walkeshaw County's first treasurer uh so as you can see there's the main uh section of the house is uh is a stone uh stone building uh but uh there is a small addition onto the rear uh which is uh uh wood siding um and it it has a uh chimney that well there's a chimney on the main house and then there's another chimney on this rear addition which is not currently used for anything uh the applicants uh have been informed by their contractor that it's in not very good condition and that the best the best option would be to remove the chimney um and then just to patch the shingles on the roof uh in its place um the chimney is uh you know this is a secondary um a secondary portion of the building it's in the rear um as you can see it there's very limited visibility from uh from barstow street certainly uh this photo is from uh riverfront plaza uh it's uh across the uh the um the exit ramp for the apartment building there uh so obviously it's visible from the apartments themselves but not really from uh any public area uh very very much uh so the applicants are requesting to remove that uh that chimney and uh just patch over the roof in its place all right is the uh homeowner or those taking care of the property here tonight all right it does not appear uh to be here and I do believe that we have a tradition of if they're not here we don't move forward on this all right I I guess it's mostly just been for paint and repair grants uh right we want them here if they're requesting money to take down and since they're not doing that I think we can have a discussion if we think it's appropriate or not okay I'm fine with that this is uh uh nonprofit that has an office there so they um are they're not eligible for paint and repair grants okay thank you so uh any discussion I have a question just on the back end do we know when that was added to the house I mean is it kind of a non-contributing part of the house or is it a contributing part of the house?

Unfortunately the applicants didn't have any information on that and I wasn't able to find anything in the historic uh um in the national record uh record for it the national register record okay um it did look like there was a photo from I think the 1970s or early 80s looked like this was it it was still there but uh it was slightly different uh it hadn't been uh it was this kind of squared off uh side was it it wasn't like that it was just a a roof that you know sloped roof uh and it was painted white so I think this section maybe was redone or restored and there was also uh an enclosed porch on the front of the building that was removed at some point after that so it it looked a little different you know in the 70s but uh it the structure itself may be historic it may or may not be okay we have no definition my input on this is if it is a it's it's not a working chimney it looks like it could use some repair and probably some flashing and if they're gonna do some roof repair I would say this is a detriment to the roof repair if it's a non-functioning I'm assuming the city

It may or may not be.

Okay, we have no definition.

My input on this is if it is a it's it's not a working chimney.

It looks like it could use some repair and probably some flashing, and if they're gonna do some roof repair, I would say this is a detriment to the roof repair if it's a non-functioning.

Uh I'm assuming the city has verified it's a non-functioning.

I mean, they're not doing a permit to fix any mechanicals or anything.

So I have no issue uh with them removing the chimney.

I don't I our house had a non-functioning chimney in the back, and we took it down because it served zero purpose.

So I don't I don't I can't imagine that that serves any purpose.

So I'd be I agree that I don't think there's any reason that we wouldn't allow them to take it down.

And the height of it alone, it's like someone went through a lot of trouble making a high chimney, and it's actually if they were to fix it, they probably would make them raise it uh another 40 feet because of the buildings around it for code on that.

But since it's a non-functioning chimney, I have no problem with uh um the way it's presented.

So do we have a motion?

COA 26-03483 removal of the chin back chimney on the William P.

Sloan house.

I will second that.

All right.

Doug's gives us a nod.

Let's uh put it to a vote.

I all right.

That passes unanimously.

All right, Charlie, you want to move on to uh 26-03501?

All right.

Uh this is uh uh certificate of appropriateness application for 127 Randall Street.

Uh the house is on the east side of Randall Street, about four houses in from uh from its intersection with Madison Street, and it's part of the Madison Street Historic District.

Uh this is the uh Gustav Gherkey house, uh which was built in 1888, and it has Queen Anne style architecture.

Um the applicant would like to uh do a number of small uh repairs.

Uh first he wants to move the uh the roof vent from the where it's currently located on the ridge of the roof uh down to uh part of the way down the slope.

Um also replace uh some of the interior uh the piping uh in a way that uh he believes will be uh will improve the waterproofing on the roof.

Um and he plans to replace the gutters.

Uh they're currently uh the house has K-style gutters, so he'll be using that that same style.

Um I think a slightly larger version, but it should be a very similar style of gutter uh to the existing ones.

And then there are a number of spots on the house which have uh rotted or cracked wood that he would like to replace as well.

So you can see there's some cracks on that section of uh of shake roof or of shake uh siding.

Um so he has a close-up here uh around these the trim around the the windows um in this section, and then a few other spots throughout the house where the where the wood has started to rot, and he would like to replace it, and he has stated that that will be uh that the replacement wood will match the uh size and the dimensions and the style of the existing wood.

So again, that's replacing gutters, new gutters will be K-style, slightly larger than the existing ones, placing your repairing wood siding where it has been damaged, uh moving a roof vent from the ridge to the roof slope, and uh patching the roof to match the existing.

All right, I do believe Mitch is in the audience.

I don't know if you both want to come up and speak or okay.

We'll come on up in case we have some questions.

You were nice enough to come on down.

Uh my first comments are looks like you have a combination of four inch and three inch gutters, so you may want to definitely uh with all that roof area oversize that a little bit.

Yeah, we get a lot of splash over.

Um, so all like where we have five-inch gutters everywhere.

Um we're putting six inch on.

And then on the back half of the house, there actually are no gutters.

So that's causing a lot of water intrusion issues um against the foundation.

So we'll be adding gutters on that back half.

The back of the garage doesn't have gutters, so adding gutters there and then replacing the garage gutters as well.

All right.

So you're working with a contractor on that.

Nope.

Okay.

All right.

Um commissioners, you guys have any questions or comments?

It's a beautiful house.

I'm glad you're uh stepping up.

Uh how long have you guys been in the house?

Uh like three years.

Okay.

Yeah, getting uh wood taken care of and gutters are a big uh a big thing that a lot of people don't realize until we get big rain.

So um thank you for coming tonight.

All right.

So we'll be looking for a motion.

Uh ID 26-03501.

I will make a motion.

Uh ID 2603501 uh for the certificate appropriate of 127 Randall Street.

Do I have a second?

I'll second that.

All right, Doug, will we get uh the go ahead?

All right, let's that passes unanimously.

All right, we move on to ID 2603503.

All right.

Uh so this is the paint and repair grant for 127 Randall.

Uh total estimated cost of the project is 2,492 and 74 cents, and that is for uh materials cost only.

The applicant is is planning to do the work himself.

So um so that's just the cost of materials.

So 15% of that cost would be $373.91 in the past.

Uh sometimes when uh an applicant is is doing work themselves and the the grant is just for uh materials, landmark submission has gone above the 15% to make it a little bit more substantial.

Um you could approve a grant of up to uh 50% of the total cost.

Uh but in that case, if the cost came in below, you know, below that 50%, we wouldn't be able to, or below the you know, the the estimate we wouldn't be able to approve the whole grant.

So I'm impressed with all these numbers.

You must be very frugal or a good shopper because uh my 1984 house would cost me more with gutters uh on that.

So uh I'll make a motion for 20% of that.

I don't have my calculator up unless uh okay.

500.

I'd like to uh make a motion for 500.

Uh with a second, we can have comments if we want to make that a different amount.

I'll second that 500.

All righty.

Thank you.

So once we get the nod from Doug.

All right, let's put it to a vote.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All right.

That passes you man unanimously.

Thank you.

All right.

We move on to ID 26-03564.

All right.

So this is a uh of course I forgot zero two.

Put it numerical in order.

This is a certificate of appropriateness for 215 North Charles Street, uh, which is on the east side of Charles Street, uh, between Wright Street and McCall Street in the uh McCall Street Historic District.

Uh this is the sorry uh the George and Anna Kneepful house that was built in 1902 and has Queen Anne style architecture.

Um and the applicants would like to replace the roof.

Uh as you can see, it has an existing uh K-style uh asphalt shingle or um not K-style, uh three tab the shingle roof, uh which is gray, and and you can see there's some wear on it, so they would like to replace it.

Uh the roof style that they are proposing is uh certainty landmark series.

Uh it's a gray color.

The landmarks mission has approved uh that roof style before in the past.

Um they would also like to add some gutter guards.

This is a kind of a very close-up photo, but uh they would like to add gutter guards to the gutters.

Um and then they also uh would like to repaint the house.

Uh you can see there's uh the existing paint job is kind of uh worn there.

Um the proposal is to reuse uh to use the same uh colors that they've used uh all throughout the house.

So it will it'll uh look essentially the same, just with a refreshed paint job.

So um again they're replacing the shingles, new shingles will be certainty landmark series shingles, and then that would be a complete tear-off of the uh uh the existing shingles, adding gutter guards and repainting the house using the existing colors.

All right, I believe the homeowner uh Lauren is in uh the audience.

Lauren, you want to come on up and answer some questions since you were nice enough to visit us tonight.

If you could state your name and your address.

I'd sneak in all the floor, but it didn't work.

I know Charlie's heartbeat still uh pounding from chasing you down.

Uh Lauren Tieman, uh 215 North Charles Street.

Thank you, Lauren.

Beautiful house.

And uh glad you're putting some fresh uh paint on that and taking care of uh everything else.

And of course, love in the gutter guards and are you working with a contractor on that?

Yes, I am.

Okay.

Yeah.

Did they help you pick out uh shingles?

Yeah, he's the guy that um is in the area and knows old houses, and so I brought him in and uh he knew what to do.

Sounds like you made a good choice.

Yeah.

Are there any questions for Lauren?

All righty.

Um with that, I'll be looking for a motion.

I'll make a motion to approve the COA for 215 North Charles for replacing the roof and adding gutter guards and repainting.

All right, I will second that.

And after we get the nod from Doug, we'll put that to a vote.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All right, that passes unanimously.

Thank you.

Thank you for coming tonight.

Thank you.

Yeah, uh yeah, you probably should stay for the all right.

Um we move on to uh 26-03564.

All right, so this is the uh paint and repair grant for 215 North Charles.

Uh so the estimate for uh the painting uh or for the roof replacement, sorry, is uh 24,300, and then painting the estimate is uh an additional twelve thousand dollars.

Um so the total cost of that is thirty-six thousand three hundred dollars.

Uh so fifteen percent of that would be five thousand four hundred forty-five dollars, which exceeds that uh three thousand dollars.

All right, thank you, Charlie.

Both of these again are uh roof replacement is obviously um needed to prevent future water intrusion and uh painting the same essentially the same if the house is not painted it it becomes blighted.

So I think it's a great idea.

Hopefully it uh dries up enough so we can get caught up.

Uh a lot of contracts going on in the city.

I'll be looking for a motion for uh 03564 Charles Street.

I will make a motion, ID 2603 564 to approve uh the paint and repair grant for 2015 North Charles Street.

Do I have a second?

Well, the dollar amount.

Oh, I I'm sorry.

Uh for the uh five thousand four hundred and forty-five dollars is my motion, which is fifteen percent of the estimated cost project.

Is do I need to restate that motion?

Is it common to do when it's above the three thousand that Charlie mentioned?

Is it common to do the full amount?

Uh 3,000 was kind of uh a line in the sand to save some for later on in the okay in the year.

It still is early on in the year.

I mean, we just opened this up because we just got our funding.

Um I would uh adjust your emotion and and you can tell me if you'll agree or not to the three thousand dollars or the paint and repair grant.

Of course, subject to the approval, finally saying it.

Walkershire county and shipboard compliance.

I will second that.

If we have any other comments, all right.

We will put it to a vote.

Once Doug gives us the go ahead.

I that passes unanimously.

All right, hopefully for some dry weather so you can get started on that.

All right.

Our next item.

Hopefully, you guys have got a chance to uh read the email.

But we're Charlie's gonna give us a presentation on 26-03563.

When you're ready, Charlie.

Yep.

All right.

So this is uh 445 West New Hall.

Uh this is on the uh south side of New Hall Avenue, just to the east of the railroad tracks and uh just the just to the east of West Avenue also.

This is a uh a water utility uh building, which was formerly a pump station and rev reservoir.

Uh it hasn't been used for uh as a pump station for many years, uh, but the water utility uh has used it for storage.

Uh and it is on the National Register of Historic Places, but it is not a landmark.

Uh it's not a local landmark.

So the uh again, it's a one-story utilitarian structure.

Uh it has an L plan design with the two distinct wings.

You can kind of see them there.

There's the one that extends towards the street, and then the smaller one uh in the in the rear, the square section.

And uh it has uh white concrete siding, uh paint concrete block siding painted white uh with uh our deco style vertical columns at each of the corners uh around the whole uh building.

So you can see this is this is that side uh metal roof on the slope roof section, and then around the rear, it's the same style with a uh storage uh area in the rear that the water utility has used.

Um they do not need the storage anymore, so they're considering demolishing the building.

Um again, this is not a local landmark, so uh the demolition would not require landmarks commission approval.

Uh it would still have to be approved by the water utility and possibly also the council.

Um but uh it would not come to the landmarks commission.

Uh so the water utility has uh started the process since it is on the national register, uh demo and since they are a public utility.

Yeah, public utility.

Uh they're required to um to negotiate with the state historic preservation office uh related to the demolition of the building.

Uh the SHIPO does not have the authority to prevent the demolition or to really require any uh alterations to the you know to their proposal, um but they can uh request mitigation.

Uh so typically that's something like uh um you know they could request preservation of a portion of it that's uh that's um you know that has some significance when City Hall was uh demolished, they they requested that the uh Franklin Boggs mural in the in the uh main stairwell be preserved, and and we did we did our best, I guess.

Um the uh Moore Downs building when that was demolished, they had uh requested that the county would provide an exhibit uh and a website, I think, on the history of the of the property.

County has not done that, but uh that it that is uh that was the agreement that um that they had come to with the SHIPO.

Uh so they can they can request some sort of a mitigation so essentially the community gets something back in you know in exchange for the loss of the of the historic resource.

Um and the landmarks commission, the uh the state or their the consultant uh is required to contact the local historic preservation commissions and uh and historical societies.

Uh so they did that.

The landmarks commission can choose to be involved in the SHIPO negotiations.

Um basically the conversation that I had with the consultant, uh she said since it's a demolition, it will be found to be an adverse uh impact.

That's sort of their uh the finding that that triggers the mitigation.

Um that's that's just sort of a foregone conclusion.

Uh so there will probably be a meeting with SHIPO uh landmarks commission can choose to have somebody in attendance at that meeting.

Uh usually they like to meet over Zoom, um, but it there it could possibly be a meeting in Madison.

Um and then uh they will you know they'll have results.

The landmarks commission could comment on the results.

So uh you could choose not to make any comments.

Uh you could choose to be to uh be a part of the negotiation.

If you do want to have somebody at the meeting, I would recommend that you nominate one of your members to uh attend that uh rather than having me do it since I have a little bit of a conflict of interest.

I would probably could still be in the meeting if you'd like, but uh uh it'd be good to have one of you there as well if possible.

So um and then we did get uh an email from Mary Emery, uh who's the president of the Waukesha Preservation Alliance.

Um she asked she asked that that email be read.

So I'll just uh I'll just do that.

So again, this is from Mary Emory.

Uh commissioners, in regards to the demolition of the water utility building on New Hall Avenue, I am very much opposed to it.

I want to make sure that you are aware that the Waukeshaw County Historical Society has a policy not to comment on demolitions.

So their silence does not mean they are supportive of the demolition.

It merely means that they can't comment.

Once the former police station is torn down, we will have it we will have lost five historic structures to government entities in the last 10 years.

They're the Lion Coll cottage for the industrial school for boys, uh demolished by Waukesha School District, Casper Sanger Mansion, demolished by Catholic Memorial High School, uh, which is uh that's not a government entity, but it is an institution.

Uh more mud baths demolished by Waukesha County.

Uh Waukeshaw City Hall, eligible, which was eligible for the National Register, it wasn't on it, but uh it was eligible, and that was demolished by the City of Waukesha, and the former former police station on Delafield Street, also eligible from the National Register and will be demolished by the City of Waukesha.

Um the water utility building will be the sixth historic building lost to a government entity.

The loss of all these buildings in such a short time is very concerning.

But what is even more concerning is that they have been demolished by government entities that should have that should be protecting our historic structures.

The reason some buildings are national register only was because past commissions did not pursue local and landmark designation uh due to political reasons.

It has nothing to do with eligibility or worthiness of preservation, even though the building is not a locally landmarked, the landmarks commission can and should advocate for its preservation.

One good way to do that is for the commission to write a letter uh to compliance at the State Historic Preservation Office as soon as possible.

Here's their email address uh that's compliance at Wisconsin History.org.

Uh a copy can also be sent to the woman who the water utility hired to document the building before demolition, but definitely send it to compliance first.

Individuals can also write emails and letters to compliance.

In my opinion, the water utility should sell the building at a very low price and save the taxpayers the demolition cost, plus save the historic structure.

Uh this building could be reused for storage or office space, and it is eligible for the historic tax credits.

Purpose or sorry, perhaps the business that is adjacent to the building could utilize it.

Although compliance at the state has little control over the demolition, they can suggest it be sold, and it is important that compliance knows there's opposition to its demolition.

Uh thank you, Mary Emory.

And then uh she's uh president of the Waukeshaw Preservation Alliance, and uh her address is 221 North James Street.

Thank you, Charlie, for uh reading that.

And uh got a chance to review.

Um I took a half day of work off today to do some other paperwork.

I toured the facility all the way around.

Uh it is not in my district.

Uh the alderman that that is in his district, he is on vacation this week, and so he couldn't be available for comment.

Um it's it's interesting that if it wasn't for the um molded concrete columns, I I don't think there would be any anything different than a lot of the other buildings.

I think 16 or 18 buildings are decommissioning our uh water department.

The very things that make it an interesting looking building are also the things that are actually failing up close, it's there's a lot of spalling going on.

I don't know how many years that water's been getting there and uh cherting out or popping out uh those interesting columns.

The other uh comment I have is the city of uh Waukeshaw water utility is not anything to do with the city of Waukesha uh other than it's located in the city of Waukesha.

That's my my comments on that.

Street side, it looks a lot better, but once you get within two, three feet of it, you can really see how deep uh the spalling on that as far as anything inside um Shinchi's um talks about uh uh the mansion on CMH property and the um Waukeshaw uh mud bath, you know, that was something interesting happened there on the inside.

Um I've seen some other pump houses in the city of Waukeshaw and it's big pieces of concrete and large electric motors and lift pumps, and since it actually hasn't been a pump house in a while, I wouldn't think those things would even be in there.

Uh they are using it as storage out back.

There's a lot of um uh pipes, sanitary sewer pipes and uh fire hydrant parts.

So it's I I think uh from the water utility they told us that the uh actual well section is still they don't use that as storage.

I don't know if the if any of the equipment is still in there, but it wouldn't be safe for anybody to go into right.

Well, and actually the that's another uh aspect because we just council has worked on this a couple times.

The DNR actually has to do their work and decommission and deem that and then cap it and concrete it so it is officially no longer a water source, it can never be used as a water source again.

That may have happened, that may not have happened.

So that's my input.

I took a lot of pictures of it today, but I think you guys could see if you zoom in on your seats all warm for you.

Come on up.

Thank you.

We're so sorry.

I was had a late work with the camera crew that I would not tell them to go home.

Thank you.

Charlie was just giving us up to date on uh a point when you get here.

Um ladies and gentlemen, fellow commissioners, Carmen.

Thank you.

That ends my comment.

My apologies, my apologies, my apologies.

Right on time.

Um for the last thing.

Charlie uh read the letter, and uh I visited the site today and gave some input on that.

And uh one of the questions uh Charlie brought up would have to go to anything on this property would ultimately have to go to uh common council for their approval as far as uh keeping it, demel demolishing it, or even the sale of it, because we just literally did that uh with someone who may or may not be in this room.

End of comment.

I drove past the building, so I go ahead.

Go ahead.

No, no, no.

No, I was just my comment was since it is on the National Historic Registry.

Is there some documentation of why they put it?

I mean, you don't just put every building on because it's old, so is there something that says why particularly that building is in the national there?

Yeah, I think it was uh it was just sort of a unique uh the Art Deco style columns made it a uh kind of a unique for that sort of building.

Uh and it was related to the the history of the you know the water utility um so was it like one of the first water utility buildings or something there?

Uh it was uh yeah, I think it had to do with the build out of of the you know that it was transitioning, the city was transitioning to you know the um transitioning to the to a water utility, I guess in the early 1920s.

There was a build out of a number of wells uh over the course of the city or throughout the city.

Uh and there is, I think one that that uh I don't believe it's still being used, but uh uh there is another uh pump house that is on the national register too.

So in a different part of the city.

If they demolish it, what is gonna be put on that long-term plan?

I think the intention is to sell it.

Um and I don't know if there's anything more that uh any more information that we have at this point that's definite.

Um so I don't know if that's as our group would say, then why don't we s suggest that they try to sell it before they demolish it?

And if you can't sell it, then you go to the demolishing state.

You know, an interesting note.

Uh the manufacturer, uh pretty good size uh manufacturer been in the business a long time.

Uh L VR, I'm not saying it right, but they just built a new building, so I'm assuming they are vacating that building.

And yeah, KDV.

That's it.

Yeah, they got a beautiful new building they just uh opened up, and I'm assuming they'll be looking to sell the property.

I don't know that for a fact, but it's just something noteworthy to do that.

Yeah, that there is a for sale sign out there for that building.

Oh, thank you.

Yes, there we go.

I have not seen their new property, but we saw uh two presentations uh on it yesterday.

Any other comments, concerns?

What exactly do they want the landmark condition commission to do?

Would they want us to say, yes, that's really a good idea, demolish it, or would they like us to say pause and reflect a moment.

Have you considered selling it as is?

What's your long-term plan for it?

Maybe if those things were also out along with the demolition consideration, it would be easier to get some feeling of what's going on.

Right.

I guess if you ask the water utility what they want, it would be not to say anything.

So whether that's you know, saying we are opposed to the demolition, we would, you know, that it there really isn't a way as the landmarks commission to prevent the demolition, but um, but you know, to what could potentially be uh agreed upon as a mitigation would be something that you could have some input in.

Do we make the assumption which puts us in a really bad place that they've already looked at all the options of we could sell it as is, we could sell it, and if it doesn't sell as is, then we can say, okay, then we'll tear the building down.

Um we plan on using the land for this.

That's why we need to have the building come down.

Um it just seems very open-ended that you don't know it you need the next step before you can decide if this is a good logical step.

Right.

Do we know the structural integrity of the building as a whole?

Um they've told us it's not in very good shape.

Uh I guess if it was uh if it was a designated landmark, that wouldn't really be a major factor, you know, because it's always been a water utility building, so that would be sort of a self-created, you know, it if it's in if a building's in bad shape and you've always been the owner, then that's is the inside like full of tanks and pipes that need to get cut out, or or is it like a big open warehouse space or like the main section, the larger section is open storage right now.

Um it had been, I think, a reservoir at one point, but for many years that's been empty.

Uh the smaller section they'd said that they don't use for storage.

Um, and that may still have some of the old equipment in it.

Like what kind of stuff would you store in there if the building isn't structurally?

I mean, if it's if it's deteriorating, like what can you keep in there that would be safe?

Because I'm sure you can't like store furniture, you can't store like there are probably a lot of things you can't store in a building like that.

Right.

I I think it's they're storing pipes, yeah.

That type of thing right now.

No, right now, but I'm saying if they sell it to to say you can use this for storage, you'd have to let it be very specific on what you would be selling.

Well, no, you you sell it as is, and you let the the buyer do their due diligence and see.

It just doesn't I'm just looking at that.

I drove by it too.

It's like it's commercial zoning, most likely.

So to tear it down, what are you gonna do?

Build a little drive-through um coffee shop coffee shop, or you know, the there's no there's no practical reason for them other than to get it off their backs, you know, to tear it down.

Storage-wise, they're not gonna store it anymore because they're building a newer, bigger, better facility facility.

So and the fact is that they could store items inside, they're actually storing things outside, which makes me wonder like why aren't they storing them inside when they well as he said they are storing stuff inside the big part, but not I think a lot of it's ease of pickup, they're gonna use uh the pipes are gonna use a crane instead of five people to pick it up.

So uh and zoning is going to change in two weeks or four weeks, depending on how you look at it, anyways.

But it's the zoning for there, the uh well, the the zoning code is you know, there's that's up for the council to vote on.

Uh there that property would still be zoned institutional, so if it was sold to a commercial tenant, it would have to be rezoned to something that's appropriate to location, location, location.

It's right okay.

As soon as I was talking to uh some people that are in the area, and the first thing they said, isn't it by that uh low uh railroad track bridge?

So it's you know it's you know, I'm not uh a city planner, but as far as use of that, it also puts a uh a limit to how far of property you maintain to the tracks near the tracks, so you know it is next to a low bridge.

So and if there's money available for people who want to redo that property let's give them the opportunity before we just say okay take another building down well the way I understand it is is that we would just be saying to Shippo right is where we would be we would just be commenting and saying that we recommend that there are other options be presented before this building be demolished because that's all we've got we don't we can't say no we don't want it yes we want it what we don't because we don't know but basically we're just getting on the record like saying it's it's on it's it for yeah we've and it's the same thing that happened with the Moore Mud House you know it's just we're we we go on the record with the Blair House we go on the record and that's all it that's all it is and you know quite frankly it hasn't made us very popular or well liked amongst um the common council and other places because it's just been like this is kind of what's gonna happen and we need you guys to just go with it and in some ways I'm okay with that in some ways I'm not okay with that I wasn't necessarily okay with that with the Moore Mud House.

This building where it's located what it would provide to somebody for somebody to buy it it's a huge investment to bring it back to something you know and because it's not in an ideal location it's a hard sell in my you're the real estate agent you know that better than I do.

Right well it's right across the street from a um field.

Yes I love that field which is very cool.

So you know I think it's it's more a matter of us going on record but also as a commission being very conscious that we really don't have any leverage in the situation.

It's more of like a statement that will go into the abyss.

I agree with Clark that's honest that's just my candidate whole hinge pan on linchpin on this is regardless of what is inside the building is the building any integrity whatsoever and that's the part I I would love to see the insider have photos of it that's being a buildings guy um facilities guy that's what I need to know.

If it is structurally sound it makes sense but for all we know is if that con if someone is a van backs into that column one more time it's gonna fall down I I don't know or it's a great building is it's sellable that's where I come from I can't I can't make an educated decision because I don't know the condition of it.

Right.

Everything that uh Marty and Carmen said is valid.

It is you know it is a uh national landmark uh property and it could be reutilized and turned into something really neat but I don't it's not if it's you know not cost effective.

Yeah so I I guess the water utility hasn't provided all that detail necessarily they did tell us uh that it they you know they said that there's some issues with the roof and things like that but they haven't given a ton of specifics they're not they're not obligated to provide the landmarks commission with that they they will ultimately have to provide that information to their you know to the water utility board um we if if they do go ahead with the demolition uh but basically it's you know yeah they don't they don't have to provide that detail it's just kind of does the landmarks commission want to want to comment on it or want to be involved in the negotiation 10 steel corrugated roof that's what I looks like but that's regardless.

It has some kind of um clay tile look it's not clay tile it looks like metal but it has some kind of like particle roofing stuff like sprayed over it.

Yeah I took from what I could tell close ups of it but it's something I drove I drove there I drove right into the parking lot and I looked in the back and I drove out and that column right there was the one main thing that way concerned me.

It's like we all had our own field trip.

Yeah yeah um you know I'm I'm I'm in the middle of the road you know because I feel like if we're just giving advice we're not even giving advice we're just saying hey you know and it's not we'd like to see it if somebody could use it for something and keep it in the National Historic Registry of buildings that would be wonderful.

Well, we're not even giving advice, we're just saying, hey, you know, and it's not we'd like to see it if somebody could use it for something and keep it in the National Historic Registry of buildings, that would be wonderful.

Is there any way we can make that comment to common council and the water utility as a as opposed to going to SHIPO and making it this big deal?

Is there any way that we could say is there more information we could give before we go to SHIPO because we're hesitant to because we don't really have any information to give SHIPO about what we're standing for?

You know what I mean?

Like we I think we look like fools on both ends, you know what I mean?

We're fighting for something we don't know about, but yet but yet we'd like to know.

So is there a way we I don't know.

I'm just trying to be, I'm trying to be Switzerland in this process.

I can help with that.

Yes.

So based on staff recommendation, uh Charlie could be in the Zoom meeting uh with a scheduled SHIPO meeting.

Is there someone uh a fellow commissioner that would like to attend that and advise on behalf of uh landmarks commission?

Do we have when is this?

So well, so there's this that's what the uh uh the consultant that the water utility is hired, has has said that the negotiation, it's it's the what happens is uh it has to go to the SHIPO, they make a determination of if there's an adverse impact.

Since they're demolishing that, that's a foregone conclusion, it will be an adverse impact.

Um so in that case, they can request the negotiation to you know what basically what kind of mitigation option is it.

So there, you know, there might there might be some kind of a memorial or record of it.

Um there might be, you know, if they do find something that's worth you know, some portion of the building that's worth preserving, like the Franklin Boggs Mira was from the city hall, uh they could request that uh that some effort be made to preserve it.

Uh so that'll be most likely based on the way SHIPO operates, most likely that'll be a Zoom meeting at some point uh that that will be scheduled at some point.

And I would be happy to to participate, but it if you do want to participate as the landmarks commission, I would suggest that you have one of your members there.

Uh you know, you nominate somebody to be involved.

Uh just you know, because I have I have also I'm a city employee, so I I have a little bit of a conflict of interest.

So do we have a time frame on that at all?

We don't.

They haven't they they're waiting to get comment from the landmarks commission before they submit it to the SHIPO.

So basically who's they specifically the consultant for the uh uh cultural resources management is the consulting company that uh that the it's not in my district, so it's not in my best interest unless I talk to the alder of that area to be on that, so I'm I'm not saying I don't want to do it.

It was in my district, I I would gladly represent the people of my district, but since it's not in my district, uh I I feel it's not in good faith for me to speak.

I could listen to the meeting, but I I don't think I should speak on behalf of landmarks or common council again because it's not my district.

Not trying to be wishy-washy, I'm disrespectful until uh Alder gets back from vacation because they're not aware of it.

I I I Marty, would you be able to to take that?

Um I'm just taping a lot shows and things, and so I can't commit to when I could be on a call, and I'm afraid that I'd be scheduled doing a production and then I can't make it, and I've committed to you guys.

So I'm just I can't.

So I'm gonna nominate Marty to, if you can for us.

I would support on my role here uh on the commission having someone from landmarks a representative at this meeting when it gets scheduled.

It's just I for various reasons as stated it can't be me.

I mean, it could be me, but I don't think it's a good idea.

But I do believe landmarks, we'd be I hate the word due diligence is, but I think we really should have someone there if that is what the commission wants.

Well, I mean, I think it's fair for us to have a representative there to hear and to to be able to comment within that structure and not have it be this whole formal hoo-ha, you know.

I I want to play nice, I want to participate in what is best for our community, our city.

I am not a common council member or a utility executive to know why these decisions are being made and why they're so adamant of to just knock it down.

But I do think that it would behoove us to have one of us there to at least represent what is the smallest part of our responsibility in the process.

Did I say that eloquently?

You did, and it matches what the letter uh sent to city staff and Charlie read it to us.

It does uh echo what our concerns are.

You know, what happens if it was, you know, one of the many homes uh in our district.

We would, you know, literally want to have a say in the matter on that.

But because it's someone isn't living there, because it is a utility building, that doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't have some type of passion for it.

If it was built in 1979 and it was, you know, like a temporary building, that's another deal.

But it is uh on that historic uh registration for a reason.

Uh I think we should you know definitely have some say in the matter or at least be there when it's discussed.

All right.

So we don't beat the horse even more.

I will be at that meeting or Zoom call once we know when it's going to be.

It's just what I say has to be what this group agrees to be saying.

And so have we come to an agreement of what more than anything, I think it's we just sort of like more information before it's deemed to be just demolished, and and that we feel that we don't have enough information to comment either way, just to hold ground of saying yay or nay, either way.

It's not fair to make that decision without further information.

Since the utility hired a consultant, they know more than the city utility did.

At least they should, because that's why they paid a consultant.

So they're gonna have a lot of answers that I'm sure will come out in the light, uh, and I will let the alder know in an email tonight uh what has happened so far.

So we we support historic buildings and those whether they have the landmark city landmark status, we support uh buildings that have uh the National Historical Registration Registry.

So we we support that, we embrace that, but like Harman says, and no more beating the dead horse.

We need a lot more information.

So Marty, I trust you.

We've been around a while long enough that you know the gray hair, you know that you know, I don't represent everybody, but just at least we do have representation there, and that's what that letter was really uh written about.

You know, it's like it's uh I'm glad it was brought up tonight.

I really do.

And I say that from a city retices and a commissioner here and as an alder too.

If if this was, you know, if this water utility did something we didn't know about it, that would be a real problem.

So at least we are it's uh on public record, we're talking about it, we're supporting the idea, and we're have a thanks to Marty, a representation of us there.

So I'm fine with all that.

Great.

So we continue to thank you, Marty.

I really appreciate it.

So is this a motion we have to state and approve?

You could make a motion if you want, otherwise, uh, you know, I that's uh I I guess it would be it would be a good idea to make a motion to be included in the negotiation process.

Great.

I make a motion to be included in the negotiation process with uh Marty being our representative at the SHIPO meeting um to further investigate and get more information the water utility.

Of the water, yes, of the decommissioned water utility utility build building at 445 de la hueste.

No, I'm sorry at 445 West New Hall Avenue.

I will second that.

I think that's pretty fair, right?

That's like we're not calling war or anything, I promise.

It's a good idea.

Pass unanimously.

We're all in agreement on it.

All right, good.

Thank you for your leadership, Aaron.

No, I just I I think it's fair, and I think it's right, and it's okay.

It's it's okay to want more information.

I think that that's why we are commissioners in any commission, is to get further information on behalf of our community.

And we're moving on to the Alder report.

Hit it.

Last time I jumped the gun on that, and Charlie had more to say.

Uh uh Mayor Haveslavin appointed me another term on the commission.

I'm proud of my first term, and I'm very glad to be uh back uh working with you guys.

I was a little sad in my little speech last time, but I'm back.

Whether you guys like it or not, I'm here for another term.

So other than that, uh we're uh continue to do great things.

Um if you know of any uh Waukeshaw go ahead.

Oh, Waukeshaw unlocked is again this year.

If you know any uh historic homes that would like to be part of the Waukesha Unlock, it's basically like uh an open house.

Uh let uh the mayor's office know, and uh they will get you in that selection process.

Waukeshaw Cemetery is on it, and it's kind of a neat tour.

So other than that, it's good to be back and thank you.

Do you have a date for the Waukesha Unlocked?

Is this like October?

Yep, second uh I think it's the 10th and 11th.

Yes, we used to do it every year, then now it's every other year.

Yep, and uh we are planning to do the springs tour again.

So uh hopefully we can uh if some of you are available to uh to help with that tour, that would be that would be very helpful.

Um great.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Moving on to the springs report.

Um the only thing that I have is uh we last time it was a tentative date, now it's uh more set in stone date.

Uh we are planning to have the springs cleanup on Saturday, May 30th.

Uh and Tony has uh mentioned that uh he has a group that can help out with that.

So uh I'll be sending out a a uh sign up and some detail on that, hopefully in the very near future.

Um so then that will uh certainly include cleaning up uh at the umisca spring, uh Hobo Spring.

We've we're hoping that the uh parks department can help with clearing that out because it's it's a lot of muck and it's not really necessarily something that we can ask volunteers to do.

Um so uh we'll be having we'll look at some of the other springs to see what they need as well.

So I have a question on the springs.

Oops, I can pass this one.

Oh where was that picture?

Uh I call it Lake Hobo now.

Okay.

Yeah, if you want to pass that down, that you know, it's kind of get to the ridiculous state.

Yeah, I don't know.

All these years I've been on this board, which is not that great, but I'm sure it's been on for a long time.

Wow.

Why we can't, you know, they the city's parks is redoing the formal gardens.

They they brought a trencher and put a pipe in.

Why would you have all that equipment?

You would have not have done something for Hobo Springs.

It is something I talked to the I I don't know if that's current.

Is that is that today?

No, that no, that was when we had the the last rainfall.

Yeah, I don't know if they've gotten out there yet, but uh I had talked to um uh somebody at the parks.

Uh they it was on their list that it's there's some coordination that needs to happen between parks and the streets crew because they have a big vehicle that comes and sucks it all out, but it it has to be you know the streets crews have their street work, that's their top priority, and and you know uh certain times of year that when they do leaf pickup, that's that's gonna be their top priority, which unfortunately that's when the leaves tend to fall in the Hobo Spring Basin and clog it up.

Um so that's when we've had it the last couple winters, uh that it's been clogged all winter, and uh and then those leaves rot in the water and there's just a bunch of muck.

Um they've said that they they would be willing to look at it and hopefully help with cleaning that out this year.

Waukeshaw unlocked is their event, so they you know, especially when there's a when something like that is, and it's in the park, so um they are a little bit more willing to help with that uh than they are in some of the other cases.

Um the I'm but I'm long term I yeah, we have to do a long-term fix, not just these all these concept because it's costing them a ton of money.

And it's right.

That I'm sure that that spring in the past probably had its own little creek or something natural way to bring that water out to to the river that maybe we should look at trying to do something like that instead of a pipe cleaning every time.

Right.

Uh yeah, I believe that is it did originally have some have a bigger connection to the river.

Um that would be a very big project that probably would be a portion of city budget, you know, would have to be allocated.

Well, the the springs does have and and that comes to we do have a springs foundation, don't we?

Or uh you know, within the city foundation, there's this if somebody wanted to donate for the springs.

Yes, there is a donation fund that has about somewhere in the range of ten thousand dollars in it right now.

Okay, so why not allocate some of that money for a permanent fix for Hobo Springs?

I mean, you know, we have an engineering department in the city, we have parks department.

I as I say it's not rocket science, it's just let's do it.

So is that something that we as do we have to we're we're supposed to be in charge of the springs per se, but then there's a springs committee.

So should we go back to the springs committee and say come up with some solution and bring it back to us and then we'll present it to the city, you know, parks and I don't think the Springs Committee has been they haven't met in a long time and I know, but I'm just saying I think if it would probably be I I could look into it, I guess that would at some point to or if one of you wants to you know take that on looking into some of the you know some potential options, you know, that would that that would be a right.

I mean it it would be it would be great for the park, it'd be great for the parks department that they're not allocating man sources to clean this every year.

And that is something that uh when I talk to um uh I'm blanking on his name now from the parks.

Uh that it he's made the same statement that it's we don't like doing this, you know, over and over.

So we have sure referring to Ron.

It wasn't Ron, it was um uh below Melissa.

Um nobody knows anybody below the top people.

Right.

Uh well I know yeah, I don't know.

That's okay.

I mean, you know, it's so as a committee.

I don't know about issue if I say a motion to do it.

I can speed this up.

I will make a referral to engineering staff to see what options there are.

This isn't necessarily a fix it, but just what the options are.

Right.

So that is my referral.

Uh that's how yeah, it's like who do we talk to?

Yeah, well, it starts with a local alder, and uh, I will represent uh what we have just talked about.

I'll make a referral on our next uh the third Tuesday of this month.

Perfect.

Thank you so much.

That would be great.

Thank you.

I'll let them know that's coming.

This is what he said.

He said I'll let them know that's coming.

The element of surprise is wonderful.

Um okay, moving on to communications and publications.

All right.

Uh so this is uh the one thing that I have is uh this is obviously very late notice.

Um it I thought it was in June uh at the last meeting.

I have sent a couple of emails on this, but uh there's they call it camp training.

I think it's commissioner assistance mentoring program uh that's put on by the National Association of Historic Preservation Commissions.

Uh that's happening in Fond du Lac on Saturday, May 16th.

Um, I think it's a pretty much an all one, it's a one day, but it's a pretty much an all-day event on a Saturday.

So uh that's you know, it's um certainly uh if anybody can attend, that would be great, but there is no expectation that you'll give up your Saturday for that.

Um if you can make it it, it's actually a free registration.

So um that uh that is uh if you can make it great, but again, if not that that would be a lot to ask.

So and it I have gone in the past and found it to be very helpful.

That's all I have.

Awesome.

Well, I think I'm on with you guys for another three years, so kind of stuck with me for a bit.

Do you practice that smile?

That's nice.

Yeah.

Is that your TV smile?

It is my TV smile.

Yeah, thank you all, ladies and gentlemen.

We'll see you next time.

All right.

No, seriously.

Um does anybody else have any comments, concerns?

You weren't here for it, Mike, but your presentation last night was wonderful, energetic, and it was uh it brought the re uh the residents who own these homes up front and made them feel special than beam besides the awards is your introduction and what they've done.

That was really awesome.

So I said that when you weren't here, so I thought I'll say it while you are here.

Thank you.

It was it was awesome.

I only get one tenth of the credit because Charlie wrote it.

I just delivered it, and I'm used to delivering lines.

And you guys can all see it's on the city website.

You can actually see her in action.

No, it was fun, it was nice.

I think that those things mean a lot to the homeowners, and so I think it's our one time to show the common counsel that we take our position seriously, and we're here to advocate for the homeowners, and so yeah, this is that's the one time of the year that we get to be in front of them.

So I take that seriously.

Um, and if it can be a little entertaining, why not?

And the the three the award recipients were all very grateful for it.

So yeah, it was very nice.

There was a there was a good feeling in the room, wasn't there?

It was, yeah.

All right, well, thank you everybody.

My apologies for being late.

We are adjourned.

So look at her on TV.