All right, it is six o'clock.

So I will call the Wednesday, May 27th, 2026 meeting of the Plan Commission to order.

Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God.

Indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

All right.

Roll call.

All members of the committee are present except for RG Keller who has an excused absence.

So we do have a quorum.

Next up is public comment.

Is there anyone for public comment today?

Coming up.

And Lisa, I'm sure you know the drill.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Lisa Sell, 434 Madison Street.

I am here to just ask a few questions and give a little bit of input for the declaring the surplus land for the water utility.

So it looks like 1.7 acres is along Delafield Street, so uh right to the south of us here.

And I don't know if you had a chance to take a look at it, but it's such a quaint um the corner little piece of property.

It has um the field stone, it has the little hut, it even has a birdbath still out there.

And um it's just it used to have the dome, and the t-shirt that I had here was Save the Dome.

That was in 1986, but it was 86 in 86.

And so even back then that the landmarks commission was trying to preserve some of that site.

Now we are not against um development of the property at all.

We're just hoping that maybe something could go in there, like a coffee shop or a restaurant or something that could keep the the history of that with the beautiful property uh still intact.

Um we have we have the Blair House, um, then we would have that piece, and then across the street at 139, that's also um on the a local landmark.

Um that's the uh family promise used to be image keepers building.

So you have these historic properties um in a row, and we really would like to see uh if you could put something in there that would fit um in with the neighborhood.

Also, uh we were wondering it was kind of hard.

The map that was attached to the agenda was quite blurry, but um, it looks like uh that the property uh continues under our our bridge, our newer bridge.

And so I'm wondering if you could address that, um, if it could be split off or whatever, just to make sure that our bridge would never be in danger.

I'm sure you'll you'll take that into consideration.

And then um just last year in August, there was an amendment to F 15, which is the disposition of surplus property.

And I just wanted to read that, and it says it is the city's policy that surplus city property is disposed of in ways that ensure the city assets are not disposed of when they could be reused.

Um, ensure the most efficient use of city assets, maximize financial return for the city, and prevent improper use or acquisition of the city property by city employees.

And so um it and then it goes on to say that it well, it used to say that it had to go to all the of the departments in the city, and they had to say that they didn't need it.

And it was switched in August to just say that just the head of that department is the one who says it.

But I wonder with all of that parking right there under the bridge, couldn't that be used by a department in the city?

It certainly seems like it could be to me, so I don't know if that was asked.

Um, but from this point, uh it's the plan commission that would approve declaring it all as surplus, and then it goes to common council.

So it kind of um it's in your court as to how this surplus is declared.

So I would just ask that you would take a look at that and please try to preserve our cute little um area that we have down there.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Is there anyone else for public comment?

All right, then moving right along.

We have approval of minutes from our April 22nd meeting.

Is there a motion?

All right, uh, Commissioner Frank Ork.

Yes.

That's a motion.

Thank you.

Is there a second?

Um, Alder Person Molson.

Second.

All right.

Um yeah, we voice vote.

So all those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Uh any opposed?

All right.

The ayes have it.

The minutes have been approved.

Thank you.

Is there anything to be removed from our consent agenda?

Nope.

All right.

Then we will move along and assume all of those items have been approved by unanimous consent.

On to the public hearings.

So we will start with we'll do both public hearings and then we'll do the action on those.

So Charlie, I'm gonna let you take it away and we'll start with the 400 West Sunset Drive.

All right.

So 400 West Sunset Drive.

Uh, this is a conditional use permit application for one Edo Motor Auto Care.

Uh 400 West Sunset Drive, as you can see, is uh between uh West Avenue and Grand Avenue on the north side of Sunset.

Uh it's just to the south of the uh Mindiola Park uh parking lot.

Um and uh one important thing to note is uh it's it's about uh 400 feet or 600 feet away from the closest residential use.

Uh one of the reasons that uh uh auto repair businesses are conditional use in the uh B3 district is uh B3 tends to be uh mixed uh with uh residential close by, so it could be uh uh depending on the location.

In some places it could be a detrimental uh to those neighborhoods.

Uh in this case, uh the closest residential is on the other side of Sunset Drive, which is a very busy street or uh Grand Avenue and is quite a good distance away.

Uh the property itself is uh located behind uh the B BAM uh auto sales business at 408 West Sunset Drive, and it has access to Sunset through that property.

Um and the building is uh it's a single story uh metal metal roof metal sided uh um utilitarian building.

Um the applicant again would like to use it uh for an auto care business.

Uh here it is from the Mindiola uh park parking lot.

So you can see there is some uh visibility, but it's uh fairly limited.

Um for the interior, they're proposing uh a small um small waiting area uh right at the entrance, um, and then the rest of it will be uh will be taken up by auto repair.

They have uh they're showing space for uh seven vehicles in in the building.

Um we'll have one to two employees working at any given time.

Uh and the the applicants have noted that this they'll have to be completely uh re redoing the interior of the building.

Uh it had previously been an electrician's uh business, and uh some work had been done there without uh proper permits, so they'll have to be doing uh pretty significant work on the interior.

Uh so this is just a preliminary uh floor plan.

They'll be they'll be submitting that uh uh to the building department um for final approval.

Uh the proposed hours are 9 a.m.

to 7 p.m.

up to seven days a week uh with two employees.

Um they'll be doing all types of vehicle repair, but they don't do body work or painting.

And uh they've noted that all the work will take place inside, uh typically with the doors closed.

So staff recommends approval of a conditional use permit for oneito auto care uh with the number of conditions.

Uh first that any vehicles stored outside must be licensed and apparable, and no vehicles may be stored for more than 20 days.

Uh that is uh sort of restating code section 12.072b, um which is so that's a condition that applies to all uh auto repair businesses.

Uh at least two employee parking spaces and one customer space must be available at all times.

Uh no automobile sales are permitted on the property, and then uh all other applicable permits, including an occupancy permit, must be approved, and any required work must be completed before operations can start at the property, and uh the occupancy permit will require a change of use analysis to be completed by a licensed design professional.

Um the applicant does have uh uh an architect who's working on that analysis.

Um any signs must receive an applicable sign permit uh the sign permit approval before they're installed, and fire department comments will be addressed.

The fire department comments were uh sort of reiterating the same note about the uh the change of use analysis.

Great, thank you.

Is there anyone here from the public that wishes to speak on this item?

All right, then the public hearing for 400 West Sunset is closed.

Uh Charlie, I will let you take it away again for 2100 Airport Road.

All right.

Uh this is another conditional use permit for Wisconsin Metal Parts LLC.

And they would like to uh occupy the building at 2100 Airport Road, uh, which has been used uh as an office and warehouse facility.

You can see that right here, uh it is just to the south of uh Northview Road on Airport Road in the business park uh just to the south of the uh Waukesha County Airport, and it backs up to the uh the airport uh the green space that uh at the safety area at the south of the the airport runway.

Uh so this is again the building uh has been used uh as an office and warehouse building.

Uh it's in the M3 uh limited business and manufacturing district.

Uh M3 district, in the purpose of the district uh states that it's uh there to provide an attractive and aesthetic grouping of limited light industrial uses, offices, corporate headquarters, and support facilities in a park-like setting.

Uh so warehouses, office uses, um engineering businesses and similar uses are permitted, but uh uh manufacturing is generally a conditional use with the plan commission able to provide uh conditions to ensure that it does uh maintain that kind of the business park-like setting.

Um as you can see, the property has uh has uh a pretty significant landscaping along the front, and it is set back a good way from the street.

Um there's a small office area in the front and uh a large warehouse in the rear.

So on on these uh the site plan that they provided.

Uh it's about 90,000 square feet of office space and then 3,000 square feet of or of 90,000 square feet of existing warehouse space and 3,000 square feet of office, which uh we believe uh will be generally the layout uh of the new uh the new business.

So here they've also provided some interior photos of the warehouse space as well.

And again, there's a pretty significant uh robust landscape screening along uh airport road.

Uh so staff feels that this will be uh the proposal uh for metal fabrication, stamping, painting, and similar operations interior to the building uh will be consistent with the M3 district, provided that uh that it is all interior and that any outside storage uh will be done in a way that uh is properly screened.

Um the applicants do plan to bring uh bring the an application back for site plan and architectural review uh for any outside screening uh if they do decide to to do that.

Um as you can see, there's a there is an existing uh gravel uh parking area in the rear of the building, uh which has been uh kind of built and expanded without uh without plan commission approval.

Um and as you can see in this overhead, there's a uh there's a semi-truck park there.

Um the applicants uh the the current property owner of the building believes that that was needed for uh access to the that safety area at the south of the airport uh for for the fire department.

They have a plan from uh 1994 which shows that that area.

Um the fire department has has told us that they do would not use that uh uh that lane to access the the area, they wouldn't use a gravel drive and they don't need it uh for for fire access.

We did contact the uh the airport, we left a message with the airport uh commissioner and and didn't receive any kind of uh call back on that uh so they haven't uh told us whether or not they they need that area.

Um so here it is from uh ground level.

You can see it extends back from the building.

Uh gravel drive would not be permitted in the M3 district.

Uh so if it is needed for airport access or if the applicant wants to use that either for outs or out the outside storage or for another purpose, that would have to be paved, and they would have to bring it back for plan commission approval before they can before they can use it.

If they don't want to use it, they could just convert that to uh back to grass uh prior to occupying the building.

So staff recommends approval of the conditional use permit for Wisconsin metal parts at 2100 airport road uh with the conditions that they'll obtain an occupancy permit before any operations can begin, and that since they're converting it from warehouse to uh uh manufacturing uh business, uh they'll need to uh also uh provide a change of use analysis can completed by licensed design professional, and if there are any alterations that are needed, they'll need to do those before they occupy the building.

And uh they would either need to return that uh access drive to grass or pave it uh before they can apply for occupancy.

And uh they would either need to return that uh access drive to grass or pave it uh before they can apply for occupancy, and if they do decide to pave it or if they do decide to uh have any outside storage, that would also need to go through site plan and architecture review and fire department comments will need to be addressed for this as well.

Excellent.

Is there anyone here to speak on the 2100 airport road item from the public?

All right, then we will close the public hearing for 2100 airport road.

Um back to action on public hearings.

Um, the conditional use permit for 400 West Sunset Drive.

Are there any comments or motions from the commission?

Uh Alder Person Molton.

Yeah, I think this is a great idea for an infill business in a relatively small location.

So I would uh propose a motion to approve the conditional use permit for 400 West Sunset as presented, subject to staff comments.

All right.

Uh Commissioner Francore.

Oh second.

Uh Commissioner Wells.

My one concern with auto repair places is they very quickly become auto dealerships.

But given that this is right behind an auto dealership, um, I don't think we'll have that here.

Or it's already happening.

So there you go.

Any other comments or questions from the commission?

All right.

Then all those in favor of uh granting the conditional use permit for 400 West Sunset Drive, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

All right.

That motion does pass.

Moving along to 2100 Airport Road.

Are there any motions or comments from the commission?

Go ahead.

Um Alder Person Wells.

I'll make a motion to approve with staff comments.

Um conditional use permit with all staff comments.

Um the one thing I was gonna bring up was that have we checked with Hawes to see if they're they have any information about that gravel drive.

I just notice it backs up right to kind of they've got that outdoor area.

I don't know what halls would have that size driveway for, but perhaps they have some information on the history of what that was put in for we haven't commented.

I don't know if the applicant is, or we haven't uh contacted them.

I don't know if the applicant is here, but it it did look like there might be some access from some of those surrounding properties too.

So I guess I wasn't sure I couldn't think of any use that Hawks would have for that driveway, but they might have some history for it.

So motion approved.

Okay, uh is there a second?

Second.

All right, uh, from Commissioner Granger.

Are there any additional comments or concerns from the commission?

No, we have a motion and a second to grant the conditional use permit for 2100 Airport Road.

Um, all those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All those opposed.

All right, the ayes have it.

Excellent.

All right.

Next up, we have a final site plan and architectural review for 245 North Barstow Street for Carroll University.

Charlie, that's you as well.

Yep.

All right.

Uh so this is the uh the main Carroll campus block uh between uh East East Avenue and Barstow Street, uh running from College Avenue up to uh the railroad tracks.

Um so that includes most of the uh the primary academic buildings on the campus.

And uh 245 North Barstow is a small uh building at kind of the northwest corner of that block.

Uh so you can see it highlighted here along with some of the parking lot to the north of it.

This is the existing building.

It's a small uh white metal building, uh, which uh Carol has stated was intended to be uh temporary, but uh has been there for uh 30 plus years and is used for their physical therapy school.

Um they would like to demolish that building.

Uh so you can see it from the inside uh the inside of the campus.

Uh there's a large parking area behind it as well.

Um, and that they would like to demolish the building and uh construct a new uh academic building for uh the business school, which will occupy both that space and then extend uh to the north almost up to where the uh almost up to where the the railroad tracks and the the trail is there.

Um the building architecturally will uh will be designed to sort of complement uh some of the existing academic buildings on the campus.

So you can see uh old main hall, rank and hall, uh, vories hall are the three or three of the four main historic buildings on the campus, and then Hostad Hall is a uh uh more recent construction, uh, but all of them have sort of a similar style with the uh tan uh stone or brick uh siding and then uh red roofs.

Uh so the the proposed uh the new building will be uh very similar style.

And again, uh this is part of the College Avenue Historic District, so this did go to the landmarks commission for approval, and they they approved both this design and a slightly different previous design.

Um so this will be a three-story uh academic building, uh which will have a similar style to those uh uh to those existing campus buildings.

It'll be a primarily uh tan brick uh siding with uh with some stone tan stone uh um complementary uh features as well as uh red uh red roof.

Um, but it'll also have some more modern design elements such as a two-story uh glass wall at the A-term area, um, and then also the uh the floor to ceiling windows on the third floor as well.

Uh so that that this is the uh the view from Barstow Street facing out uh out from the campus, and then this is sort of the interior, the inside of the campus.

Uh so which will again will continue the uh the large glass uh wall at the at the A term area, and it'll have a similar uh vertical stone uh architectural feature, and then uh primarily the the tan um brick siding.

Uh there's also a large uh it's one-story kind of a bump out section of the building, uh which will have a uh an auditorium style classroom inside it that will have the uh the stone side stone siding as well.

Uh they had provided some samples of that siding for their landmarks commission approval.

So you can see the brick on the right, uh the natural limestone, uh cast architectural stone for some uh accent features, as well as the uh red shingles.

Um they've also provided some details of the interior.

It'll be a total of 55,000 square foot uh building on three stories, uh mostly classroom areas on the on the first floor with the large auditorium uh classroom with some uh offices on the second floor, and then uh the third floor in the most recent uh submittal has has is just shown a shell space.

Um they had previously shown offices there, but uh uh that'll be something that uh for the the uh campus to decide or the for the college to decide how to use.

Uh but one thing to note is they will have an outdoor classroom uh in the uh kind of the uh southwest corner facing out towards uh Barstone overlooking the football field there.

Um they have also provided some renderings of the interior of the 8th ream area on the first floor, and then uh uh going up towards the the second floor.

Uh and then one thing to note is the on the what would be sort of the fourth floor of the building uh on the roof will be a rooftop mechanical area, and that will be fully screened by the uh by the sloped roof section, so that will not be visible at all from uh from below.

Uh going back to the site, uh as you can see.

Currently there's a very large parking area uh behind behind the current uh 245 North Barstow building, uh which has access from uh two access points on Barstow Street and another one on East Avenue, and that really covers uh the vast majority of the north side of that that main campus block.

Uh the proposal is to reduce that area quite a bit.

It'll go from uh 303 stalls to down to just uh 100 parking stalls.

Uh so they'll be adding quite a bit of green space uh behind the new building into the the interior of the campus area, and the it'll have uh the new parking area will be just uh one uh one-way access only from Baristow Street and an in uh drive into the parking area but not out, and then it'll be uh the one uh in entrance and exit onto East Avenue, which will be moved a little bit further south uh from the uh the Health Science Center for uh student health and wellness.

I won't get quite to uh to uh an intersection directly with uh McCall Street there at East Avenue, but uh we'll be a little closer to that.

The public works department likes uh driveway accesses if possible to be lining up with uh street intersection.

So that won't get uh exactly to that, but it will be a little closer than it is now.

Uh the reason that they're able to expand the parking is uh because the uh they'll be they purchased uh two buildings here at uh uh 211 and 233 Maple Avenue, uh one of which was the former Fisher uh Creative Arts Center, and uh the other one is uh an empty uh dilapidated um manufacturing building.

Uh they're proposing or they have received approval in 2024 to demolish that building, and then they're gonna add quite a bit of parking there.

Um that was originally uh a certified survey map to combine those two properties was approved in 2024, uh but it was never recorded, so that was also on the uh uh the agenda for to reapprove that uh on the consent agenda tonight.

And that'll go to the council at the next meeting as well.

Um back to the site plan, they provided a landscape plan for um for the uh the green space uh both around the building and then uh for the interior area.

So you can see they'll be adding a number of new shade trees into that uh that green space as well as a large open lawn.

Uh they are providing some landscaping in the parking lot islands uh in in the new parking area, as well as foundation plantings around the building.

Uh so here's a little close-up on the uh the green space in front of the building.

As you can see, there's a small bioretention area along with those those shade trees.

Uh the some of the parking lot islands have trees on them, but some are shown without with just uh stone mulch.

Uh so staff is recommending that the trees will be required to be added to those islands that don't have any currently.

Uh so again you can see the uh the uh entrance uh from Barstow Street uh with some foundation plantings and smaller trees around the building, and then another one of those uh uh parking line islands, which does not have a tree currently on it, and staff would like to have some landscaping added to that.

Um at the uh the exit uh onto East Avenue.

Again, that'll be shifted a little slightly uh to the south, and the existing landscaping around uh around that health sciences building will be uh retained.

They'll be adding two uh dumpster enclosures to the northeast corner of the parking lot uh as well as uh uh another bioretention uh basin for some stormwater management to the north side there too.

Uh the the dumpster enclosures will be uh a standard uh concrete masonry uh enclosures with the uh cedar gates on the front.

Uh that'll be moving uh the dumpsters from an existing location uh in between uh 245 North Barstow and the Van Mail Field House.

Um so this is uh that that location.

There's an existing generator which serves uh the Van Mail Field House building, and then they'll be adding a new generator to that location uh to serve the new building as well as a transformer for that building.

Um so here's uh the uh plan for that.

Uh the proposal is for just uh uh chain link fence uh to screen that uh that location and then the existing driveway uh there will be retained.

That's uh a part of the requirement from We Energies for the Transformer.

They are planning to add some privacy slats uh to provide a little more screening there too.

So stack staff recommends approval of final site plan and architecture review for uh for the new uh academic building at 245 North Barstow Street with uh the conditions that the fencing for the generator enclosure will be a black coated chain link, uh which is uh standard uh plan commission uh condition that the uh trees will be added to all the parking lot landscape islands uh to be approved by staff prior to the issuance of building permits and then engineering fire department and water utility utility comments.

Excellent.

Thank you.

Are there any motions or comments from the commission?

I will Commissioner Grincher from this one, my company worked on this question.

All right, thank you.

Commissioner Francoir.

Are we ready for a motion?

If you would like to make a motion, okay.

I'd be happy to do that.

I would move then that we approve the final site plan and architectural review for 245 North Boris Barstro, Carroll University to approve the plans for the 55,000 square foot three-story business school building along the east side of Barstow Street, located in the I1 Institutional District with all of the staff comments and the recommendation about the trees and the parking.

Thank you.

Also Commissioner Wells seconds.

Are there any additional comments or questions?

I just want to say that's quite an upgrade and really looks nice and yeah, happy to approve that.

Thank you.

Alder Prison Malton.

Yeah, I absolutely am very excited about this uh big change for Carol.

I think it'll be great in the presentation.

It was very thorough.

Yeah, I agree.

I think that this is great.

I did have one question, um, and that's just that I know that that section of Barstow is not in great shape in terms of the street itself.

Do we know if they have any plans to kind of coordinate with us as the city?

I don't know if they're gonna be doing any sort of utility work, but I imagine that based on the building that's there versus the building that's going in, they might need to do that.

And so coordination with any reconstruction efforts from the city might be worthwhile.

Not necessarily a requirement, just maybe a good suggestion for them.

They yeah, there are some engineering comments that are related to that.

But the I don't know that the engineering department is planning to repave bar store or anything like that.

There has been some talk about the possibility of uh Carroll uh of that section being vacated at some point in the future to uh add a sort of a pedestrian uh mall for Carol students, but uh uh that that's they're not ready to do that at this point.

So yeah, I just wanted to make sure because I know that that had come up as well with the potential to vacate that area.

So the hand raised in the back.

Oh, yeah.

Uh do you want to come on up?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Tom Heffman and Carroll University.

Um I just wanted to make a couple of comments.

The presentation is great.

Uh we appreciate your support.

There's one area in in regards to what you're asking about.

I want to the on the 19th of this month, the last minute we received a comment asking us to put a sidewalk on the other side of Barstow Avenue, uh, on the west side.

That was like seven days ago.

Uh we haven't had a chance to study it or anything else.

There are some major conflicts with electrical lines, some underground students.

The university is intent and does desire to make that ask the city to vacate that street and make it a uh promenade as we move forward.

So the only thing we're asking is we want time to study that and bring that back to you, but we also know that has to go through a whole process of vacating a street and traffic analysis and et cetera.

We're not prepared to do that this time, but we would like to sort of slide that request for an additional sidewalk.

This project went through in 2024.

The sidewalks were all deemed acceptable, and then suddenly just on the 19th of this month, the city added a comment that we needed to put another sidewalk in.

That's a $50,000 expense to Carol.

Um we've already gone for our financing.

I don't mean to be nice about this, but um, so it was a little bit of a shock.

And uh, you know, we feel we've we've met with the city on what five to six occasions.

Um we've dealt in good faith, we've met everything else.

That was just the one that came out of the blue to us, and we were not prepared for, nor did we add into our financing.

Um so we would ask for some leniency on the idea and time to investigate Barstow.

One of the things we've been working with the city is the idea of investigating all the underground utilities, finding out what shape they're in, doing the traffic analysis, and going through the process to vacate the city.

So that's the only condition in this that we would ask for leniency on.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, I was gonna say this wasn't gonna hold me up from voting in favor.

I just was kind of curious, and more than anything, I know just there was the but it's in the staff comments to put that sidewalk in, and we're like, hold on.

We would like to some leniency in that.

Yeah.

I'm comfortable with taking that sidewalk out of our motion if if everybody else is.

I am too.

I'm not seeing it in the it was uh there was an engineering, I think it's uh response letter that was sent out.

Um I don't know if it ended up getting out of this agenda.

We we just got it in the planning department this afternoon.

Um we weren't positive that the city would have the authority to require that.

Uh we had been talking to the engineering department, um, and they're they're not sure how they want to go forward with it either.

So yeah, I'm not seeing in the project reviews.

I didn't see it either, so that's why I was asking.

I'm comfortable extending Carroll that bit of leniency on the sidewalk.

Yeah, and if it works out, I like the probado idea.

No, we're gonna put it is part of our master plan to do that.

So I think we just need some time to study the undergrounds and the utilities that we would be taking possession of and be responsible for.

There's a lot of research that needs to be done along with some of the analysis for traffic and all.

Great.

I appreciate it.

Did the motion or in a second or both?

Yeah, it sounds like yes.

Or what I was gonna say is I would have the motion read just as it was proposed, minus any res um any requirement to address the sidewalk at this time.

I appreciate that.

I concur, and I'd just like to thank Carol.

You guys get brought up a fair bit on the plan commission as really the gold standard of what we want to see built in the city.

You guys consistently bring a very high quality product, and some of it really looks great, and we appreciate you guys being a great partner.

And thank you.

Thank you for this project.

Diddle.

Yeah, project.

I would just like to clarify that that sidewalk was for the west side of Barstow.

This building's being on the east side of Barstow.

Right.

There is continuous sidewalk all along that east side of Barstow.

So just so everyone's aware of that.

Yes.

Yes.

All right.

Any other questions or comments?

Oh, uh, yes.

Alder Person Manion.

Has public works or planning department looked at the ramifications of shifting so much parking into a different location, uh, particularly with the I guess change in potential pedestrian flow, particularly crossing Grand Avenue there.

Um it's all university property.

Um we've looked at their plans and we've already approved them putting the new large parking lot over there.

We're assuming people are gonna follow traffic ways and use the crosswalks.

Um, but we have you know that'd be a police issue, I guess.

Um, but so at this time, you know, they have the right to park on their property where they deem appropriate.

Carol's comfortable with having them over there.

Um, I know they work closely with their students in public safety, so I would assume they would educate them and try to keep them in the proper lanes, whether pedestrian or vehicle.

I I appreciate that, and I've heard that, and I you know, I'm I'm certainly in favor of this project going forward, and um, you know, I spent four wonderful life four wonderful years of my life at Carroll as a student.

Um, so um, you know, I'm I'm but I'm also aware of some of the challenges, you know, with pedestrian flow on campus, and I'm concerned, you know, we see it on East Avenue.

We've seen it for years on East Avenue.

It's been a discussion point as long as I've lived here, you know, going back to my time as a student there, and you know, grand it is probably just as busy, if not busier of a traffic street.

So I'm just I have some concerns there that I think we need to, I guess, be aware of or keep in mind as to what we do in the future to uh ensure safety because um, you know, that's a a big shift of parking that is you know more central to campus that's being moved to kind of to the edge of campus.

Um, so I I know that we work with Charlie and his staff along with the Wawatosa railroad agreement that they were doing.

So that parking lot has been designed around that railroad crossing and everything else.

Um, and with the it's in the plan book for how they propose to make the modifications to the sidewalks and everything else to make that connection to drive the students to the crosswalk.

And I I believe that was part of the the parking or the traffic study that was encompassing all of the changes that they're yeah, we did look at it.

We we would be concerned about it on students as well.

So we we clearly understand what you're saying.

Great.

Any other comments?

All right, there is a motion and a second.

Um so all those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Uh all those opposed and abstaining, abstain.

All right.

Let the record show that Commissioner Granger is abstaining.

Otherwise, that motion does pass.

Thank you.

All right, next up we have uh certified survey map for 1535 East Racine Avenue.

Doug, I believe that's you.

Thanks, it is okay.

So this is a certified survey map for like I said, 1535 East Avenue or East Racine Avenue.

Um just east of Roberta Avenue.

You can see there on the photo.

Um, here's Roberta and Racine, the property in question.

It's a commercial property.

There's a building up at the front of the lot and a parking lot behind it.

Here's a little closer view.

You can kind of see what um where it's located.

What they would like to do is split this lot into two segments.

So the northern portion where the commercial development is.

Um basically followed the two adjacent property lines here.

Uh would would be the commercial side and then the vacant southern portion.

Um as what they'd like to split off.

If you recall uh at the end of 2024, the plan commission approved or recommended approval for plans for a duplex development here off of Jill's Drive, where Garden Prairie, the private drive uh would extend across.

Um there's already an easement for Garden Prairie to go across this property.

So the access to this um rear parcel would be off of the Garden Prairie easement.

Um but there'll be duplexes over here and farther to the south.

Um, and with this new southern parcel that's envisioned and intended that that will be incorporated into that uh Hawks Landing development, and so we'll be seeing revised plans for that possibly later this year, yet.

Um so here's the the certified survey map.

It's currently a 0.94 acre parcel.

Um lot one at the south would be about uh 0.39 acres and then 0.55 acres for the uh existing commercial area to the north.

And then here's just a picture showing how that's in is in relation to the Hawks landing development.

So then the gray here is where you can see the uh Garden Prairie Drive will be extended, and then you can see some of the duplex building spread around that, and then it just makes sense that maybe another duplex could go right here as part of that Hawks landing development.

So that's the intention for that, and that would be on again that this is on the uh lot one portion is what's highlighted here.

Uh so at this point, staff would recommend approval of the two lot certified survey map um with all city department comments and concerns to be addressed.

Okay, uh Alder Person Molson.

I have not seen uh us approve uh splitting a lot into two, and the second one doesn't have an access to a public road because we've seen many many developments, all these great ideas, and they don't all you know, the financing doesn't go through, or somebody changed their minds, or you know, I mean, we approve lots of things that don't actually happen.

So I I was I don't I'm not understanding why we're approving this now.

I mean, after they put in a road and they have access to the road, wouldn't that be the time to do this?

Uh well, there's access to the Garden Prairie Drive here to the south.

Is it there already?

The easement is already in place.

That easement's been in place for 15 20 years.

When the garden prairie development happened, that easement went across to Jill the end of Jill's Drive.

Okay.

I I mean I get I get the idea here, and I think it's a good idea, and to make sense to use this parcel as a part of that duplex development.

My question is is if that development doesn't happen, now we've got a parcel that doesn't have access to a road, it's got access to a planned road, which is a little different.

Sure.

Um, the owner of the Hawks Landing Development is here who's proposing the certified survey map.

Maybe he could shed some light onto his intentions.

Okay.

But that's that person's available.

Come on up, please.

Thank you.

And will you please state your name for the record?

Eric Sandarcy.

Thank you.

So Hawks Landon, I'm in working with, I've paid all the fees with building department for road control fence.

I have finance in.

So before all the sewer work and everything else, if I'm gonna add another parcel so it's cost effective to get to put this in, otherwise I'm gonna be ripping up, put a road in.

I don't I don't own, you know, I don't want to put a sewer water, all the infrastructure in.

To a parcel you don't own.

I well, I don't I can't do anything with I can't put it in the back.

I don't want to put it in the back of a lot that I can't build on.

Okay, I don't want to rip up brand new, I don't want to rip up brand new asphalt.

Yeah, I don't want you to do that either.

You know, all and we're gonna come back for approval, you know, approval for this to add this to Hawks Landing.

Okay, so when I do the infrastructure, I can put the sewer and water in everything that's needed and pre-planned for the sidewalks that are already on on the plans for Hawks Land and everything is we pour six-inch sidewalks, you know, where the approach is gonna be.

We we do some of the work ahead of time instead of tearing out existing work and ripping up asphalt to put a sewer and water and everything else, and we're putting in.

When do you think you're gonna start probably August or September?

So in 2026.

So could we approve the conditional use permit?

Uh but it with a condition that this project is started before the end of 2026, and if not then we don't approve it.

I mean, right now we're just doing the certified survey map.

So we're just at least have a lot that doesn't deeded road.

I mean it's Garden Prairie is supposed to be keeping it up per their agreement, but I mean it's not you know it's supposed to be a gravel road.

I mean, whether it's the back of a commercial or here, it's still a taxable part.

I mean, it's gonna be a worth more as a taxable parcel.

I mean the project's gonna happen, but I mean from uh I guess I'd I'd see your concern if he was coming in for site plan architectural approval without a road there or without providing plans to build access, but really we're just splitting the property at this point.

It's not landlocked.

I mean it has a it has access from that east from Jill's drive as well.

Jill's drive a butts to the edge of it.

So I mean it dead ends.

If we were to take Garden Prairie completely out, it would still have it touches on the corner.

Yeah, so I'm I'm very comfortable splitting the property as like the first step.

And then yeah, it still needs to come back for site plan architectural approval.

If we were to get a site plan that didn't have access to a road or to a public X access, then yeah, that would be an issue, and we need to figure that out before you could go ahead.

But just splitting the property, it doesn't seem like an error, like uh an issue.

Okay, and I think right now what I'm hearing is that you want this approved right now, so you can put the utilities into the estimates for the sewer in the water.

This is a it's a small cost to add one to add some stuff off of it versus a major cost.

I hear that that makes sense to me.

To do later.

Any other questions?

Anyone else?

I'm comfortable making a motion to approve.

Okay.

Staff comments.

Thank you guys for your time.

Great.

Is there a second?

All right, Commissioner Granger.

Any other questions before we vote?

All right.

Then all those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

All right.

That motion does pass.

Once it looks like it does, there we go.

All right.

Next up we have the minor site plan and architectural review for 1101 West St.

Paul.

Doug, it looks like that's also you.

Yes, thank you.

Um, so this is for 1101 West St.

Paul, which is INEO.

Um, so we're all familiar with the building, uh, running along the quite a long length of St.

Paul here.

In the middle of the building is where kind of their main entrance is.

What they'd like to do is renovate that entrance.

Um it's kind of hard to locate if you're just driving along St.

Paul, especially when cars are parked along St.

Paul.

I'm so like to make a little more prominent entrance.

Um, also bring out this uh the glass curtain there out towards the street a little farther.

Um, currently there's two doors that come in, and then there's different levels inside where you kind of get to, and it's very confusing as to which direction you're supposed to be going.

So, what they'd like to do is then they'll remodel the whole entryway, make it more clear, which there'll be only one entrance going in, clear where you should be going to to the welcome center and where to check in as a guest, that kind of thing.

Um, so that's what they're proposing.

Um, here's just a view kind of straight on of what that looks like.

And then here's the elevation of what they're proposing.

Um at this, the current building itself, the entire building does not meet the 25-foot setback along St.

Paul.

It's about 15 feet set back, I believe, from the right-of-way.

The right-of-way line kind of goes through the middle of the sidewalk out here.

Um, the current vestibule entrance feature you kind of see here is set back about seven or eight feet.

Um, and so the new work when they renovate this will also be almost in the same footprint area, so it'll also be set back only eight feet.

Um, so they did go to the board of zoning appeals and they received the dimensional variance to do the work as proposed here in the plans.

Um, so that part's been approved.

Um, as there's no physical way possible to do any work in this area meeting the setback.

Um, so here's the proposal.

Um, so there'll be a big glass curtain wall.

The one entrance will be at the right end where the uh um the curtain wall will be framed in a uh a metal panel, and it'll be rise up to the top here where the uh but to about 22 feet high, and that's where the the entrance is right under that highest point there.

Um there's also a future signage band up in this area.

They don't have that quite worked out yet.

Um, but they will be getting signed permits for that when they do come in uh before they could put any signage up there on the building.

Here's just kind of the floor plan showing how they'll uh bump out that curtain wall a little farther.

So then when you come in the entrance, there's an opportunity for either one set of stairs or the ADA ramp to get down to the main level.

Um then it'll be clear which way you're going from once you're at that one spot.

And here's just a rendering, kind of giving you a little 3D effect of how that'll look.

Um you see into the building through the glass curtain wall, obviously.

They'll keep the three flag poles, just relocate them a little bit away from the doorway.

Um, and then that metal panel uh framing around the whole entryway.

Um, so overall it looks like it'll be a lot more inviting, a lot higher up.

So hopefully people be able to find it a lot easier um and just be a lot more welcoming coming into the the property there.

Um so at this time we would recommend approval of the uh plans to renovate the main vestibule with city comments and concerns to be addressed, and the note that um the sign permits will be required for any new signage.

Right.

Are there any comments or motions?

Uh Commissioner Granger.

I think it looks great.

I'm really excited to see the face of this building renovated and have those upgrades.

I also appreciate the keeping the flag poles and moving them so that they look good with the new design.

Is that a motion?

Yeah.

I move to approve the proposed minor site plan and architectural review for 1101 West St.

Paul Avenue to remodel the main entrance.

Great, thank you.

Is there a second?

Alder Person Molson.

I'll second.

All right, any other comments?

I think this also looks great.

Uh, all those in favor of the uh minor site plan and architectural review for 1101 West St.

Paul, please say aye.

Any opposed.

All right.

I do believe that motion has passed.

Thank you very much.

Uh, and then our almost final item um review impossible action to declare five city-owned properties as surplus land.

Doug, you can take that away as well.

Sure.

This is a consideration for declaration of surplus land.

Um, and just to remind you, the plant commission is a recommending body on this, it will go to the common council for a decision.

Um, as is standard practice for these types of things.

Um, but there are uh currently five properties that the water utility owns, um, which they are uh envisioning not having a need for in the very near future at 1430 Southeast Avenue, Sun 2320 Sunset Drive, 3815 Creekside, 115 Delafield Street, and then there's also a vacant parcel along Center Road that they will no longer have a need for.

Um, so they want to uh see if the city would determine these to be surplus.

Um while the water utility is kind of its own entity, the city owns the properties that these facilities are on.

Um so here's a map, just kind of showing uh there's some blue dots here for where each of these properties are located.

Mostly they're all on the south side of the city.

The northernmost one is the one right here on Delafield Street in the middle.

Um there's Sunset Drive, East Avenue, Center Road, and then down on Creekside.

So here's the uh property at 1430 Sun East Avenue, Southeast Avenue, excuse me, and that's uh a 1.7 acre parcel.

You can see there's a water reservoir in the middle, and then uh support building as well on that site.

Again, 1.7 acres.

And if we go out towards uh Sunset Drive, just west of uh St.

Paul or Genesee Road, depending on what side you're on.

Um, in the Fox Run area, another reservoir and support building.

That's on about two acres.

The creekside property is on Creekside Drive down in uh the river's crossing subdivision, and this was a uh pump house for a well.

Um, so you can see here they it's on a residential street, and they designed it to look like a house up in the upper right-hand corner here.

Um so kind of interesting, it's a little bigger house than the other ones in the neighborhood.

Um, but uh it worked fairly well for what they needed at that time.

Now they don't need it anymore, though.

And then on Delafield Street.

Uh so this is here you can see City Hall, and then the water utility offices, as you're aware, we approved plans uh about a year and a half ago uh for the new water uh utility headquarters over on um Chapman Drive.

Um that building is nearing completion.

They hope to be moving in there by the end of the year.

Um, so their offices at this location next to City Hall will no longer be needed.

Um Lisa Solved who had spoken earlier, mentioned the there's a bridge that kind of goes over the property, and yes, there is.

Um you can see that right here.

Um, clearly the where the boundary goes around that.

Um in the so the parking ramp to the uh city hall uh connectors right at that location.

Um so that's where the property 115 Delafield Street is located, and then the final property is out on center road, and again, that's about another two-acre parcel, and it's on the east side of center road, um south of the bypass.

And this is the the corporate uh corporate center.

Um so this a zoned M3.

This parcel is the other ones were all zoned I1 institutional.

This one is zoned M3 with the rest of the industrial park as nothing had ever been proposed yet on that site that water until they just acquired it.

Um so those are the five sites.

Um we did send notice out to all of the department directors uh if they had any need for these properties, and no one has expressed the desire to maintain or retain those properties.

So at this time, uh staff would recommend declaring the below five water utility sites as surplus, and again on East Avenue, Sunset Creekside, Delafield, and then that vacant parcel on center road.

Okay, are there any motions or comments from the commissioners?

Commissioner Frank Or.

Thank you, Mayor.

I would move uh that the plan commission approve and recommend to the common council the declaration of surface land that the water utility has proposed, and that includes the listing that we were received and all city department comments and concerns.

Okay, is there a second?

Elder person wells.

I'll second.

Okay, any other comments.

All right, there is a motion to declare the listed properties from the water utility as surplus land.

Please um all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

All right.

That motion does pass, and that will go on to the full council for approval.

All right.

Next up we have uh director of community development report.

Jennifer's not here, but do you guys have anything for us?

Um, so as you might remember, we had uh the plan commission recommended approval of the zoning code on April 1st at a special meeting, and uh it's been going through council reviews and also the city attorney's office has been reviewing it and updating formatting, and they've also made some edits uh to clarify some of the language in it.

Um we've had a couple of uh corrections to the zoning map.

Uh so we uh would like to bring that back to the plan commission.

We were hoping to have that ready for uh to do it at this meeting, uh, but the city attorney's office is still finishing up some of their edits.

Uh so we're hoping to have a number one more uh last special meeting uh for the the zoning code um ideally on uh Wednesday uh June 10th.

So we're just uh I guess looking for some input from all of you uh if that works, if you would be willing to uh come in for for another special meeting.

Um or if that doesn't work, if there's a time that does work better.

I will be out of town, so I will also be out of town.

Yeah, I will also be I guess that's probably not gonna work.

Um maybe we can work together to find a different date so we can get that moving.

Yeah, we could also potentially wait until the the June Plan Commission meeting, and it would just be on the uh July 7th council agenda for final approval.

All right, sounds good.

Anything else from anyone else?

No, all right.

Then absent any objections, we are adjourned.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Yeah.