We can start whenever you're ready.

Are we ready?

Okay.

It is 5.02.

Like to call the meeting to order.

Can we have a roll call?

Beth Moulton.

Roseline.

Gwenda Hilgerts.

It does not appear as though we have anyone here for public comments today.

Do I have a motion for approval of the minutes from our December meeting?

So move.

Seconds.

How second?

All in favor.

And moving on to new business because I think we have a bit covered.

Okay.

Sure.

That's first.

We're tag teaming the same thing.

You can't tell.

So I just wanted to start out with this.

I'm sure you've all seen it already.

It's gotten some really good good press, good reviews.

I think has been a great addition to the alley.

And we're working with the second artist.

He's starting his panels to do the window that'll be on the side of this building.

The window is being fixed.

We have been talking with the owner.

And they were having some insurance issues back and forth.

So that is is in process.

But after this was approved, the artist had the idea of doing some footsteps coming up from the river.

So those were added as well.

So kind of a fun whimsical addition there.

So she was her.

Yeah.

The name of the fox.

She's on one of the other proposals.

So we'll catch up.

Yeah.

Can I see this?

Sure.

She is.

Oh, it's Hannah Two's is the artist.

But I mean the name of the activity of the she or he has a name yet.

I don't think so.

Um so Jennifer took all your all your scoring and we ranked them, and we have the top six, and then I have seven, eight, and nine in here also to talk about just in case we want to go that far.

Um, one thing before we start, just um understanding that although the Thomas Press owner did say he's willing to do more than just the small, two small panels.

Um I think he does want to be involved and sort of see the design.

I don't know if he'd be open to the entire building being painted, but but he may, so um for the right design and so forth.

So um just keep that in mind as we look through to like how how things might be scalable.

Yeah, they might it might ultimately have to get adjusted a little bit working with him or so, yeah.

And also I just would mention that Amy's top three are in this list of six, so she would show all of her um favorite ones are in here as well.

So and if you want me to read comments of hers when we get to them, that's fine too.

But this is the one that um came out on top.

It is it was it ranks definitely the highest, and there was about uh an eight-point spread between this one and the next one.

So one of the reasons we have six, we did the top six is because two tied um for third place.

So in the rankings, so we just thought, well, we'll show you all of them and you can have some discussion.

So I don't know how you want me to do it.

Do you want me to just show you the top six and then discuss, or did you want to discuss them as we go, or what's your pleasure?

I guess we see the top six first, and then okay.

So this one has kind of the stork figures, the whole building.

Um, one thing to note on here, I think that's Les Paul in the middle, so we'd have to get permission to use his image, obviously, and such.

Um then, and then you have the immigrant children on the other end, which is kind of at the lower picture showing that this was the second place winner.

No, this was just a series of.

Oh, that's his other work.

Okay.

I was like, whoa, I don't remember seeing that.

Give control back to Maria.

So if you wanted to do something, I mean it looks like he has a lot of depth, right?

You could do nature, he does people, so if you like his style, but you wanted the theme to be a little different.

I think it seems like you could accommodate that.

There's a few.

There's for each of them, there's a few slides of their examples.

All right, this is number two.

Yeah.

So this one came in about nine points higher than number three, so they'll have a little bit of distance.

Um that was her perspective.

It's not a complete covering of the building, but it's all nature related.

Here are some of her other works that she's done already.

So it does look like she does people as well.

So there's a lot of examples there.

Okay.

All right, this is one of the ones that came in number three.

So she's proposing more of a sculptural addition to the building.

So 3D kind of thing.

And she had a couple different proposals.

So that's the first one, this is the second one.

And the third one.

She also does painting, so I feel like if you wanted her to paint instead of do sculpture or incorporate the sculpture with the painting, maybe she could do that.

Do both.

But we could work through that.

And this is the other number three.

Um this is some of her other work.

Which is a kind of a very unique style.

So she's done a lot of early lecture.

And let's see.

That's number three.

And then one point below those two is tilt vision.

Kind of like this historic postcard look.

So we have to work through some of the details of that, but then here's some of his other work.

Can you go back to the artwork again?

I just noticed this.

Um that lamp and the logo with Thomas Press incorporated.

Is that part of what he's gonna do in the building?

Okay.

It's not on the building now, he's proposing.

He is proposing.

But he didn't say that in his proposal.

Yeah.

I mean, but I think noticed it when I was looking at it, and I think it's a really nice ad if he's gonna do it.

But isn't the fox there was one with the fox that played off of the lamp that came down?

There was a side view of the fox, and then there was the front view of the fox in the light that I thought came out.

That one didn't rank in the top.

That's okay.

I'm just that's why I'm wondering whether that is the light that's there or not there.

The the gooseneck light is not there right now.

It's not there.

That's over Thomas Press.

Okay.

I think there is maybe another light fixture that's affixed to the building.

But that must be what I was because I just remembered the awkward light thing made the front view of the fox look like the triangular box.

And then this is so number six, which really he ranked number five.

Let's wait for her to come back.

Yeah.

Okay, it's official.

The artists do not agree with the alderman.

Well, that's what I think is like it was interesting entering all your scores because I'm like, you guys all looked at it totally differently.

So interesting.

And I imagine the comments would give you that too.

Yeah.

It's like, okay, are we looking at purely artistic, or as you said, are we looking at the sort of a functional, can we do snow removal?

Is it going to be vandalized if we go looking at that?

From are we going to be able to get the rights to these people's faces?

Right.

I know that's there's a big variety of that.

So this is number in the rankings number five because of that tie.

Um number six in our list here.

So I'm out of the river also.

Oh, so that would be the end of the building.

I just had a little piece, yeah.

And then here's some of her other work.

And then there's more if you want, but we don't have to.

Do we need to start with?

We'll just go back to the or if you guys want to start anywhere.

Can we start with the crabstal?

Which one?

Uh number three crabs.

Oh, crabs.

Okay.

That's it.

Okay.

That was the alternate.

Oh, this one.

Oh, remember.

I was seeing.

So they had kind of two options.

They don't show the openings in the building.

No?

Right.

So and these were also willing to modify their design.

What I wrote out about this one was initially it was a a bug followed by a fish, followed by a crane, but the variant was the cardinal.

And to me it looked like the bug was about to be eaten by the fish and the crane was about to eat the fish.

And then it said in the thing that how harmonious these animals are.

They are interdependent.

I missed that.

I missed the point of the harmony there, so I didn't know if everyone would miss that point, or that was just me.

You did make a good point though, unless they're going to do like the panels over the windows, and I don't know that Thomas Press is interested in having that done.

Because a lot of these kind of are dependent on where the windows and doors are in terms of the design.

I wonder if the designers took that into consideration.

Like if you look at the cardinal where that kind of square area is.

Like I wonder if part of the design is kind of figuring like that might not be.

Maybe it's like right before the face would be one or something.

And yeah, I don't know.

Or you know, even if they wanted to do like long linear panels, multiple of them or some, you know.

I mean, I think more if it's the style things and especially looking at the cardinal one, if that is the one that is chosen, it does look like there if it were broken into panels or segments that could be moved about a little bit.

Yeah.

With some of the like lineage or something connecting them somehow.

I don't know if that's of the two, is there a preference for people?

Or do we even want to get into that if we haven't decided about what ones one and two?

What do we have to get into?

Do we want to pick apart which of these two designs, for example, would be a favorite if we're going to be going with the other artists?

Yeah.

I think we picked the artist first.

I think that that's probably what.

So do we start with uh number one?

The Amy's um, she didn't give them points, so her points didn't show up in the actual ranking, but this was also her number one.

Okay.

So let me see the light with these number one.

Okay, we do have the side work.

Yes.

Okay.

So this one, this Thomas Press's business gets kind of swallowed by the picture.

So I don't know if he's gonna want his business not to be kind of visible.

Although the I can't read the big sign.

So the left of the light up there.

There's still the is that the Thomas Press sign up there?

Yeah, that's the Thomas Press.

Right.

So if you walk by that side, you'd hardly even know where to go in.

Well, that's kind of the way that it is right now, though, isn't it?

Because there's no real color on that building.

It does, it is kind of a nondescript sign.

It's more of a more of a deskation than it is a walk-in.

Right.

If you you know where you're going if you're going there.

It's not kind of a point of seeing the same.

You wouldn't, yeah.

You wouldn't just pop in there to say what's new, yeah, whatever.

I wonder if Thomas Press sign is able to be moved.

You know, like if if that is just a panel.

Seems like there's a panel on the other side too.

Right.

I think that's the same sort of sign that's a little bit.

Why do you want to sign the location where the mural is?

Yeah, just because it kind of messes with the mural.

Not that Thomas Press would like that, but you know.

If Thomas Press does not want that much of the building taken up, because you said that might be a concern.

Correct.

I would say to maybe eliminate some of the left-hand side of the immigrant children and focus more on the I mean, there's a lot of kids there.

So maybe one or two of the immigrant, maybe one or two of the regular kids that are followed as opposed to a classroom pole.

Because we're already kind of condensing the history leading up to the end there.

But again, that would not be something we would need to be concerned about if Thomas Press is okay with using the whole building.

I think it's cool that James is a Waukesha resident.

And you know, I just think of the just great to be able to say that this mural was created by a Waukesha resident.

It also has the Waukesha name on it.

Um it would be one of those good selfie places as a destination kind of thing for people to go to get their picture taken.

In which case they get more publicity because their sign is probably gonna also be in that, but it's true.

It's really busy and it's not fun.

Like well, remember we've got very whimsical at the very beginning.

We've got also whimsical across the way with the window with the squishy things coming out of it.

Okay, so in terms of mixing things up, it seems it's okay with me if we don't agree.

Yeah, I I can imagine people like enjoying it just to kind of like stroll by good because there's so much to look at.

Like just kind of stopping and enjoying the faces and look at the next one.

So it's this one.

She does have examples too with like adding one things in the comment that I made of this is I think it's bright, I think it's colorful.

It kind of does visually lead you along, but I'm concerned about the amount of empty space behind it.

I think it's pretty.

But I go with you with uh with the space behind it.

I think there was another one that had a bunch of flowers in it.

The fill everything, yeah.

I like this one until I saw that one.

Maybe I'll read that one or this is really pretty, and it's safe.

It's yeah.

It's basic Wisconsin.

It is no people in it, so is it very Waukeshaw specific?

Is that what we're looking for?

I don't know.

Oh, do we have badgers down here?

I hope not.

Hopefully, not my baggage.

Maybe if we switch them off our box.

Okay, any other comments on this one.

It kind of seems to me that it would be uh more like main enjoyed more by the mainstream.

Which isn't bad for what we're trying to do, you know, whatever.

But I think it's it's I think you said it was safe.

I'm also with with the graphic computer background, I look at her layout, and obviously she did her things and then just kind of place them, and I'm thinking, why did you cut off the flower there when you've got plenty of room to put it over here?

Or why did you, you know, there's flowers are flexible.

There's a you could really work those things in without cutting out the main part of that.

She did that, I think, mostly with the butterflies, but flowers.

Or the frog.

And that's something we would ask of her to the cards.

Oh, there's those rolls.

Okay.

Any other discussion?

Or should we look into the next one?

So this is the sculptural one.

So she had a couple of proposals in which we're looking.

I think it's really cool.

It's fun.

I wish that it was actually kinetic sculpture.

What is a kinetic sculpture?

That it would move, that they would actually move.

They they look like there's movement already.

But I I wish that they would be movable.

But that's I did like this one, but how are we going to keep out all the birds' desks?

And kids from hanging on them.

I'm concerned about damage with this one.

And as you had said about snow removal and things get piled up here and there, and this big garbage truck that comes down this parking lot.

Yeah, it's like we found out from our public works, like the light holes get hit all the time.

Perhaps this artist might be a thought for a different location that is higher up on a building.

Which would be out of reach of people because I do think that it's kind of cool.

Um I think the other one is is is a little more amorphous and kind of uses the space a little bit better.

That one is kind of that one's really nice.

Yeah.

But there again, here we have snow removal and trucks.

But I I think that that might be a possible suggestion for one of the higher locations of harm's way, and which way thought of birds, birds would definitely be behind the birds.

Birds would be behind there, yes.

They never thought of that.

And when they do, we know what happens to clean up in alley, right?

Well, they get kind of aggressive.

Yeah, they do, especially during nesting season.

Did you want to talk more about this one or just move on to the next one?

I remember liking this one.

Um but to see it laid out with the windows and doors might change it.

Okay, why don't we move on to the next one?

Okay, just kind of the one thing this was we've seen this this style of mural like a million times.

True.

As we have the flowers, as we have the history ones.

It's the one thing I really like about this one is the flow behind it that takes up the river and kind of combines things, and that it is I don't know that you can get a whole lot more wakashaw specific than this one.

These are panels that kind of stick off the wall a little bit, is that right?

That's what it appears to be.

I think so too.

I see it, it looks familiar.

Yes.

So is that good?

Or do we want something like different different?

I it's just like and we're wondering where that bridge is.

Well, yeah.

Right.

That one in particular.

If you choose to speak out of high legs specifically, are there mountains that high instead of that way?

Okay, then that last one was this one.

Now, when I see this one, I think this one has been done before all over the place in Waukesha.

We have several murals that are extremely stylistically the same.

I'm not saying that the layout and everything is the same, but it is a very eye right there.

Yeah.

Again, I like the flow of it.

I'm not sure where the hand on that side was coming from.

Way from your long way along.

See things you guys never thought of looking at these, right?

I can see it now.

Did you want to look at the next three, or do you feel like you have a winner in one of these?

Probably I don't know.

Do you want to look at Preston?

Here's another one that's like, where's that bridge?

Yes, building.

I don't remember that one.

I'll take peek.

I don't care.

I don't care.

It's up to you guys.

I'll take a peek at the other three.

Yeah, let's look at the other three.

Well, because so far we've kind of said like we don't want something that we've seen a lot of already.

And some of these are like that.

So maybe the seventh to seven, eight, and nine will be something a little more unusual and interesting.

So yeah.

So this is the first one.

Okay.

So it's a little point.

They chopped off their heads.

Well, again, we don't know where the windows are.

I'm not sure what the person on the middle of the thing is.

This can hear you.

Oh, that was too literal.

I don't know what the basketball and canary necessarily walk a shot.

And are we that rural that we want to do the whole I think I think one of them could be a farmer's market visitor?

But and one of them could be like a day labor, but like there should be, I think it would be cool to have an artist in there because we're trying to be more artists person or some or like like Les Paul with a guitar, you know, something like that.

So I'm guessing that this one is probably not one of our choices.

Okay.

So then there's this one.

I love this guy's style, and I love his the meaning behind it and everything, but I just don't think we have enough of that immigrant population to celebrate it.

And I don't know if you guys hate me now.

No, but I'm not saying it so that you will.

I I totally agree with that point.

I I think it's I think it's beautiful.

I do think it's beautiful, and I like the prints, but I don't think it reflects what the public's gonna expect there.

Like I I feel like we have so many Hispanic people in Walkish that if there was something, some way to, you know, if he if he was if you were open to doing something that was you know, of another culture, that would be cool, but I I am feeling kind of like he's got a it's a niche kind of thing.

Yeah, and it's and it's obviously very personal to him.

Yes, so I don't want to and if you did change the focus to uh Hispanic, then the whole imagery thing would have to be changed because this is yeah, yeah, okay.

Okay, then the last one is series of four nodes, so like the deer, the fish discussion.

I'm concerned about, and I don't know how I'm gonna phrase this, the um realistic representation of the creatures and the detail that's involved.

So try to like seven, eight and nine, and any of them better than the first six.

No, no.

No, I agree.

Okay.

And I was saying before we started the meeting.

If this is something you want to think more about, we can just schedule a second meeting too if you just want to sit with these for a while.

Um, or if you think you're ready to make a decision tonight, that's fine, too.

The other thing, if if you kind of narrow can potentially narrow it down to a couple artists or a couple to go back styles.

We could also talk a little bit with Thomas Press, maybe see if this would how that would fly with with the phone.

That's not a bad thought.

Yeah, that's a good idea.

Some of the other ones too.

So we can narrow the six to three.

Okay.

Well, I think that in my opinion, this should definitely be one of the finals.

They're building in terms of layout.

Um size.

And then depending on what they get back to us with to ask for hardest revisions if necessary.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

It's it's similar to some of the other styles, but it's also very different, especially in terms of the realism and execution of things and inclusion of that's a big one.

The representation of very much on there.

Yep.

And I kind of like that it kind of ends where we're starting to do the commercial farmer's market kind of thing.

Okay, okay.

Let's see.

Oops.

This is the flowered line.

Is the rotter five bedroom?

Can we sum the bed of a box?

All right, some badger.

And maybe uh do some arranging so that more of the imagery is is comb leaves.

I don't know if that makes any more sense.

Like rearrange it so that you're trying to avoid the large chunks being cut off and fill in the background more.

What if I I feel like I remember one of the ones?

Yes, this is she she did submit one the first time around.

Okay, but her background was black.

I believe that is correct.

It's pretty good.

So what if she would just change the background to be black?

I think Thomas Press building, like if there's not extra painting on it, they had expressed that they want to keep that color.

So fill in the background.

Okay, but but it can't be black.

No, they don't want to keep the brown background.

We want to keep the brown black so fill in with more stuff on the background.

Because all the buttons would how are they connected to each other?

Um, so it's this is just it's one long, so it that's the strip up there.

So that's just the close-up of each section.

But there again, this uses the entire wall.

Yeah.

So we would also have to ask about that one.

Yeah.

So I like seeing it in that lower picture better than the upper one.

Like it just having that more real perspective and to see the the windows that are actually there and they're not just black squares erecting those things, yeah.

But again, I guess my thought would be to keep similar imagery with this.

And uh maybe do more winding around the windows instead of being interrupted by the windows.

Like maybe using those as a part of the decoration, like like scale down the robin a little bit and just make it look like it's standing on the top.

Yeah.

Although if you look at the top one, it does look more like he's sitting on top of it.

You see more of this water fellow.

Yeah.

And like a butterfly could be attached to the side of one of the windows.

Right.

Yeah, you know.

I mean, and and I don't know if I were a mural artist, if somebody came and said, Ah, I want you to do this and this and this and this and that, like it depends.

Are they making their little net?

That's what that's what I've I've been paid as an artist that you do what the client wants you to do.

So I mean you just ask in that spirit of you know uh what can you give us that might include?

Use the design elements of the building to be more harmonious.

Do you feel like this isn't top three?

Right, exactly.

We love it, it's beautiful, and we'd like to see.

And and if you're thinking like this is in a meadow, well, meadows are considerably more full of things than this one.

Some more little some grasses.

Right.

Maybe a little water.

Dragon over there by the frog and pond or whatever.

Yes.

Agreed.

Okay.

Something besides badger.

Do you think this is in the top three?

I like the meadow concept.

Yeah.

And and all of the flowers would be found in a meadow.

So maybe there is so are we going to like pick the top three and then just pick the top one from there?

Is that what we're going to do?

Or can it pick the top three?

We want to get some.

And then put from Thomas Price.

And then get back to the artists too guys with the thing.

I think that sounds like a wonderful.

You don't want to contact all ETA.

No.

So yes.

That's Jennifer.

I think this is Jen Volley.

I would like to see her fill in more, give us more of a meadow kind of a feel.

Exchange the badger for a fox.

You know.

Does it have to have a box or can it just be a woodchuck or something that we have?

Something that we have plenty of woodchuck or something.

Chip once, not a red bunny rabbits.

Priority record.

Yeah.

Well, downtown, if you're going for for things that live downtown, you certainly have a lot of raccoons.

But the raccoons all live in the in the sewers.

Okay.

No.

And this one, did we say no to this because of just another proposal for higher up would be great.

Anything with her paintings or well, yeah.

Can you s oops?

Is this the start of her paintings?

Yes, it's that's the start.

Yeah.

Speaking of more of a meadow feel on that bottom.

Yeah.

I think she's got a cool style that we haven't really seen before.

True.

Yeah.

That's really great.

And the meadow and the river is a nice company.

Yeah, that's true too.

So perhaps we could ask her if she would, you know, that we would we love her sculptures, but because of the Wisconsin winters and birds.

That maybe she would be willing to do a proposal of painting more of the river meadow.

Because that's kind of the area that she's in.

I like that the painting has the whole day on it.

It starts in the morning or something and goes on with it.

Yes.

And like the area here we are doing her work again, but the area on the right where she's got other buildings, those could be more like downtown walkish out looking buildings.

So could we contact her and ask her for something more in the line of the savage pool?

I mean, you could even have her have the words walkish on there.

Or the one on the bottom here.

Yes, that's particularly like the pool one.

I think both you know just give her those two examples to give her enough wiggle room.

We shouldn't have the the little alien parking up there.

No, we're talking about one of the bottom, not the one on the top of a flying saucer parking.

I like the I like those rocks that she's got.

I like that that style movement.

Well, it's kind of how she did the water on the other one.

Movement and patterns.

Yeah.

I like I didn't like that.

And again, that's it's very different from the other things, the other ones that we're looking in that we've seen.

So do you need anything from us?

Do you need motions?

Do you think these are your top three?

The three we just went through.

Should we vote on them?

You don't have to vote if you guys are generally in agreement that those are the top three.

I would start.

Then we had this one, and then we had oh the the postcard thing.

Yeah, and then uh and the river, yeah.

Okay.

So if you think that those artists just generally are the your top three.

Um there we go.

And then the original smart, yeah.

Again, with the uh clearance from the building owner, yeah, and the uh adaptations that might be necessary from the artists.

Yep.

That would be an okay thing.

I don't want to speak for everybody.

That seems to be the two.

Okay.

Are you okay with them?

These I'm okay.

I get yeah, I don't I don't mind having the artists lead the art.

Okay, so we'll have a conversation with Thomas Press and then we'll send out a poll to schedule another meeting, uh, maybe in like two weeks, but before the next council meeting or something.

Sure.

And uh we'll send out some up poll and see what you guys are.

And may I say thank you for also sending them to our regular emails in addition to the government ones, so because Outlook is not very good at showing me that there's something there.

I know it's hard for all our boards and commissions, and I really wanted you guys to catch this.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, okay.

Um, should we anything else with that or should we move on to the next one?

Communications, do you have any information from us?

You said roughly two to three weeks.

Yeah, we'll try to get you together two, three weeks.

Okay, and then we'll set up a meeting with the property owner, and then we'll want to talk to the artists.

So and will we be meeting the new person at that time?

She starts June 30th, so depending on the next meeting is please let them know to have the doors unlocked.

Yes, I'm sorry.

You'll have a message on your machine that's like, oh I'll try the other entrance and see if I can.

Um anything else staff reports?

No, I have nothing to report.

Do you have anything to report?

They did it for us, but the fox that's leaning against the audience has gotten a lot of good feedback.

Good.

I've I've heard that also.

Now we can get the window fixed, so yeah.

That would help a little bit.

She was also very very good to work with.

Good.

Oh, good.

And I think that the the Paw Prints are kind of a clever addition to kind of draw people in.

I think that's wise.

Um, aside from that, we'll set the meeting date as per when we hear from the artists.

Okay.

Do I have a motion to adjourn?

I'll make the motion to adjourn.

Do I have a second?

And second, any all in favor.

Aye.

All opposed.

We are adjourned at 544 through number.

Very efficient.