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Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission Meeting - September 17, 2019

Historic Preservation CommissionTuesday, September 17, 2019
BodyWilmington, North Carolina
SessionHistoric Preservation Commission
DateTuesday, September 17, 2019
StatusFILED
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0:02

So our technical glitch is the fact that this projector is not just one picture.

0:11

So the applicants that are representing the request tonight.

0:19

The applicants that are presenting tonight come up to the voting while staff presents the case once your case is called so that you can see what is being projected that the commissioners can see.

0:33

I don't want the public to not have the ability to see what's being shown to commission.

0:38

Anybody wants us to go back up or something that they didn't see, we'd be happy to do that.

0:42

So while staff introduces each case summary, come to the podium as the applicant so you can see what's being projected.

0:51

If any members of the public wish to see what's being projected as well, we've got a monitor here, and you can also monitor them with uh the assistance we need from any questions.

1:07

I think we can do this.

1:09

Thank you.

1:10

All right, good deal.

1:11

Thanks, Tom.

1:12

Let's do this.

1:12

All right, so this for preservation commission meeting of September 12th, 2019.

1:18

Hearing before this work is racial commissioner quite side judicial issues.

1:29

Decisions of the commissioner based on the record.

1:31

These proceedings, limitation design guidelines for store districts and landmarks, and secretary of the interior standard for rehabilitation.

1:38

And this is the commission for you as part of the record.

1:41

Appeals go a commission decision.

1:44

And then dispute recording based on the record.

1:46

Appeals must be filed in 30 days.

1:56

The chair recognizes those who want to address the commission during the public hearing.

1:59

Comments should be directed to the commission to ensure that all comments are properly recorded to this public voting to address the commission state.

2:05

Your name matters.

2:09

So it's an assisted hearing system for people with hearing loss to use.

2:17

At this time, I'd like to request that all cell phones be turned off sign up.

2:21

And reminded the commissioners received or be made aware of any outside evidence related to any of these matters.

2:37

Rob Romero.

2:38

John Keston.

2:40

Michael Smith.

2:44

Don Sudley, Rashad, Elsie Helpman.

2:47

Jeff Paul.

2:53

Oh yeah, this is one square.

2:57

Anyone who intends to speak for any reason, even if you think you want to speak.

3:03

You're not sure, but you might.

3:07

Alright, raise your right hand.

3:09

Do you affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

3:16

Okay.

3:16

Thank you, Amy.

3:38

Mr.

3:38

Chairman, members of the commission, this is a request at 113 North 7th Street to replace some exterior windows on the second floor of the house.

3:49

Subject property is showing the photograph under monitors.

4:05

This is the subject property again 113th Street.

4:16

Some of the windows were actually broken out by the fire department to gain access to the interior of the house to fight the fire.

4:25

Some of the windows suffer extreme smoke damage as well, not only to the wood, but to the glass, the island is requesting that those windows to be replaced.

4:39

Some of these windows did not appear to be original to the structure.

4:51

Some beyond air, kind of got basics and windows on the structure now.

5:00

I think the ones in the front porch here along with the lines with that six over sixes, and then we have this little odd one over three.

5:07

So this is the uh style of the window that the applicant is proposing to replace with a wood showing the window, but you simply light a window um details to match the existing window that you see on the screen.

5:22

Be happy in uh answering questions.

5:24

I would like to end the case summary and also middle items into the record proceedings of the side of the app, Mr.

5:30

Dave Webb, and property enterance at the time.

5:34

Any questions that please go ahead and like a add to the report?

5:41

No, I think I think it's cut that pretty well.

5:45

Um we do have the indication to say that the ones that are not damaged by the fundamental on pair proportion, and um but those um mainly yesterday multiple understood.

6:05

Um scratch was going to be over 30,000 separate boys and um that would be the designable each other's books.

6:24

Anyway, you have to be in there.

6:26

I think the jail room ones are the album the old ones and I believe that is good before um the street as it's the second floor.

6:39

We are gonna use the illusion to the back.

6:43

So um the street at least might be any difference.

6:46

Uh of course inside we'll have to review it's a little optic code, you know.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Building Permits█████████████████████████████████████████████45%
Historic Preservation██████████████████████████26%
Architectural Preservation████████████12%
Procedural██████6%
Building Design██2%
Public Health Awareness██2%
Parking Management██2%
Window Regulations1%
Public Engagement1%
Summary of Proceedings

Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission Meeting - September 17, 2019

The Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission met on September 17, 2019, at 5:39 p.m. in City Council Chambers, Skyline Center, 929 North Front Street, Wilmington, NC. Vice-Chairman Rob Romero called the meeting to order and read the procedures. Chairman Tara Murphy arrived at 6:51 p.m. All members were present except Edward McCaleb and Ashley Wilson. Staff included Melissa Huffman (Assistant City Attorney), Dawn Snotherly (Historic Preservation Planner), Jeff Walton (Associate Planner), and Amy Bradshaw (Planning Coordinator). A technical glitch with the projector required applicants to come to the podium to view materials.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Item 7 (214 North 7th Street): Robert Murphey, a neighbor, expressed support for renovations but raised concerns about more immediate needs (dilapidated windows, debris, temporary electric pole) and questioned the historic accuracy of a proposed side entrance. A letter from neighbor Stewart Poisson was read, echoing similar concerns and opposing the side entrance.
  • Item 10 (310 & 312 South 6th Street): Lynn Harris, a neighbor, spoke in support of the driveway expansion, citing parking shortages due to churches and multi-tenant homes, and expressed confidence in the applicants’ commitment to historic district standards.

Discussion Items

1. 113 North 7th Street – Window Replacement (Fire Damage) Staff summarized the request to replace second-floor windows damaged by fire (some broken by fire department, others with smoke damage). Proposed JELD-WEN wood, 6-over-6, double-hung, SDL windows. Applicant David Webb had no additions. The public hearing had no speakers. Motion to approve with conditions (wood windows, match original dimensions, staff review) carried 6-0.

2. 516 Princess Street – Reduce 365-Day Stay of Demolition for Accessory Structure Staff reported the accessory structure is in deteriorated condition and its construction date could not be determined from Sanborn maps. Applicant Russell Davis reiterated poor condition. The structure is non-contributing. Motion to approve with conditions (donate architectural components, protect trees) carried 6-0.

3. 225 South 17th Street – Reduce 90-Day Stay of Demolition for Garage Staff noted a discrepancy in the staff report: the property is in the Westbrook-Ardmore National Register District (not incorrectly stated elsewhere). The accessory garage is non-contributing and no longer maintains district character. Applicant Edward Albrecht had no additions. Motion to approve with conditions (donate components, tree protection) carried 6-0.

4. 309 North 15th Street – Rear Building Addition Staff presented a request to demolish an enclosed two-story back porch and construct a two-story addition with brick façade painted to match the house. Only portions visible from public right-of-way are subject to HPC review in the Carolina Heights/Winoca Terrace Historic District Overlay. Discussion focused on brick sample (size matches, scoring not required as it will be painted) and roof materials (previously approved faux slate). Applicant John West answered questions. Motion to approve with conditions (staff review windows, match architectural elements, brick size and paint, roof match, no ridge vents) carried 6-0.

5. 612 Grace Street – After-the-Fact Exterior Alterations Staff explained that a previously approved April 2018 COA for new construction was modified during construction: balustrade design changed, screened porch enlarged, sliding door replaced with windows and a door, and can lights installed. Applicant Georgia Savas stated the contractor made changes without her knowledge but she prefers the sturdier balustrade and felt the rear porch needed symmetry. Can lights were added. Motion to approve with condition that previous COA conditions remain except as superseded carried 6-0.

6. 1808 Market Street – Roof Replacement Staff presented a request to remove historic terne standing seam metal roof (rear) and asphalt shingles (front) due to leaks. Only a small portion (approx. 25 sq ft out of 2800 sq ft) is visible from Market Street. Applicant representative Shasta White (Dowless Roofing) argued for black shingles, citing design guidelines allowing dark colors. Owner Andrew Horton confirmed leaks. The Commission agreed the change was justified given low visibility. Motion to approve with conditions (no ridge vent, retain chimney, shingle color black) carried 6-0.

7. 214 North 7th Street – Exterior Alterations and Building Addition Staff described a proposal to demolish a deteriorating rear addition and construct a new two-story addition, including an awning, gutters, and a side entrance. The property is under demolition-by-neglect but owners have made repairs. Applicant representative Shasta White answered questions. Neighbors expressed concerns about other needed repairs and the side entrance. Commission deliberations noted design issues (roof plan, window scaling, side door). Motion to continue the item to the October 10, 2019 meeting to allow for redesign and applicant input carried 6-0.

8. 410 North 15th Street – Window Replacement Staff reported a request to replace two vinyl 1-over-1 windows with wooden 6-over-6 SDL windows matching existing historic windows. Chairman Murphy disclosed she works with the applicant but could be impartial. Applicant Greg Vassar was available. Motion to approve with conditions (staff review of design) carried 7-0.

9. 1419 Market Street – COA Modification for Staircase Removal Staff summarized a modification to a July 2019 COA that approved rebuilding a two-story rear porch and staircase. During demolition, water damage and building code issues required removal of the staircase; the request seeks permanent removal. Applicant Nick Balding confirmed foundation and porches will be rebuilt. Motion to approve with condition that previous COA conditions remain except as superseded carried 7-0.

10. 310 & 312 South 6th Street – Driveway Expansion Staff presented a request to reconstruct and expand a brick parking area from approx. 16.5’ x 33’ to 18’ x 33’ (1’4” wider). The existing brick pavers were installed without a COA. Staff found the expansion not congruent due to size. Applicant David Eckles argued for 12-foot width, citing a survey of 48 nearby properties. Discussion focused on subbase (applicant agreed to crushed gravel rather than concrete to allow permeability) and driveway apron width (CFPUA had approved a 13-foot apron). A neighbor spoke in support. Motion to approve with conditions: bricks set in crushed gravel (not concrete), driveway apron width not to exceed 12 feet, landscaping screening, staff review of brick specifications. Carried 7-0.

Key Outcomes

  • Approved: Items 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 (all with conditions as noted).
  • Continued: Item 7 (214 North 7th Street) to the next meeting on October 10, 2019, for revised plans and applicant input.
  • Votes: Items 1-7 voted 6-0 (Chairman Murphy absent for early items). Items 8-10 voted 7-0 (with Chairman Murphy present).
  • Staff Report: Staff noted a discrepancy in the agenda for item 3 (incorrect district identified) and corrected it on the record.
  • Future Work: Staff announced an intern is developing guidelines for ATMs, telecommunications, and security cameras. Commissioners Sulkey, Keiser, and staff will attend training in Fayetteville.

Meeting Transcript

So our technical glitch is the fact that this projector is not just one picture. So the applicants that are representing the request tonight. The applicants that are presenting tonight come up to the voting while staff presents the case once your case is called so that you can see what is being projected that the commissioners can see. I don't want the public to not have the ability to see what's being shown to commission. Anybody wants us to go back up or something that they didn't see, we'd be happy to do that. So while staff introduces each case summary, come to the podium as the applicant so you can see what's being projected. If any members of the public wish to see what's being projected as well, we've got a monitor here, and you can also monitor them with uh the assistance we need from any questions. I think we can do this. Thank you. All right, good deal. Thanks, Tom. Let's do this. All right, so this for preservation commission meeting of September 12th, 2019. Hearing before this work is racial commissioner quite side judicial issues. Decisions of the commissioner based on the record. These proceedings, limitation design guidelines for store districts and landmarks, and secretary of the interior standard for rehabilitation. And this is the commission for you as part of the record. Appeals go a commission decision. And then dispute recording based on the record. Appeals must be filed in 30 days. The chair recognizes those who want to address the commission during the public hearing. Comments should be directed to the commission to ensure that all comments are properly recorded to this public voting to address the commission state. Your name matters. So it's an assisted hearing system for people with hearing loss to use. At this time, I'd like to request that all cell phones be turned off sign up. And reminded the commissioners received or be made aware of any outside evidence related to any of these matters. Rob Romero. John Keston. Michael Smith. Don Sudley, Rashad, Elsie Helpman. Jeff Paul. Oh yeah, this is one square. Anyone who intends to speak for any reason, even if you think you want to speak. You're not sure, but you might. Alright, raise your right hand. Do you affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Okay. Thank you, Amy. Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, this is a request at 113 North 7th Street to replace some exterior windows on the second floor of the house. Subject property is showing the photograph under monitors. This is the subject property again 113th Street. Some of the windows were actually broken out by the fire department to gain access to the interior of the house to fight the fire. Some of the windows suffer extreme smoke damage as well, not only to the wood, but to the glass, the island is requesting that those windows to be replaced. Some of these windows did not appear to be original to the structure. Some beyond air, kind of got basics and windows on the structure now. I think the ones in the front porch here along with the lines with that six over sixes, and then we have this little odd one over three. So this is the uh style of the window that the applicant is proposing to replace with a wood showing the window, but you simply light a window um details to match the existing window that you see on the screen. Be happy in uh answering questions. I would like to end the case summary and also middle items into the record proceedings of the side of the app, Mr.

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