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Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission Meeting – November 14, 2019

Historic Preservation CommissionThursday, November 14, 2019
BodyWilmington, North Carolina
SessionHistoric Preservation Commission
DateThursday, November 14, 2019
StatusFILED
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1:07

Good evening.

1:09

I'd like to go ahead and call the Thursday, November 14th, 2019 meeting of the City of Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission to order.

1:16

Thank you for coming.

1:17

We appreciate your interest and participation in this evening's meeting.

1:24

Hearings before the Historic Preservation Commission are quasi-judicial in nature.

1:29

This is a design review process to determine if the proposed project is congruent with the historic aspects and special character of the historic district or landmark.

1:37

Decisions of the commission are based on the record of these proceedings, the Wilmington design guidelines for historic districts and landmarks, and the Secretary of the Interior standards for rehabilitation.

1:47

Evidence submitted to the commission for review becomes part of the record.

1:51

Appeals of commission decisions are to the Wilmington Board of Adjustment and then on to Superior Court and are based on the record.

1:57

Appeals must be filed within 30 days of the date of the commission's action.

2:01

Public comment is heard during the public comment portion of the agenda item.

2:05

Those who wish to address the commission are sworn in as witnesses.

2:14

Comments should be directed to the commission to ensure that all comments are properly recorded.

2:18

Please come to the podium to address the commission, state your name and address, and speak clearly.

2:31

Okay.

2:32

If you need that, please switch on a T-coil on your hearing aid or ask city staff for assistance.

2:37

At this time, I would like to request that all cell phones be either turned off or put on silence mode.

2:43

A reminder to the commissioners, if you have received or been made up aware of any outside evidence related to any of the matters before us this evening, please disclose that information so that may be termed if a recusal is needed.

3:00

We will start with you, Stephen.

3:03

Stephen Salke.

3:09

Joan Keston.

3:10

Michael Smith.

3:14

And we are also joined this evening by the following city staff members, Don Snetherly, Historic Preservation Planner, Jeff Walton, Associate Planner, Amy Bradshaw, Planning Coordinator, and Melissa Huffman's Assistant City Attorney.

3:27

Robert O'Quinn and Robert O'Brien.

4:09

And that is the time for interested parties to speak in favor or in opposition.

4:13

Once we close the public comment portion, we will deliberate prior to a motion and a vote.

5:03

Bear with me.

5:32

This is a request at 624 South 4th Street.

5:37

This is a property located in the south southern part of the Wilmington National Register District.

5:43

The request is to reduce the 90-day stay of demolition for this subject structure located on at the corner of South Fourth and Queen Street.

5:58

This is a 1920s house that suffered unfortunately very severe damage during Hurricane Florence.

6:07

You have in your packet a pretty extensive uh inventory of interior photographs prepared by engineer showing the interior conditions.

6:18

Staff only has exterior photographs.

6:22

This is the rear elevation.

6:25

There was an outbuilding in the back.

6:27

I believe a tree fell, crunch this corner.

6:30

Can see some other uh deterioration on the rear elevation.

6:37

This is the front porch, I believe, on the north side, showing additional damage.

6:47

This is the south elevation.

6:50

The roof was taken off the side during the storm.

6:56

Again, an additional exterior uh conditions.

7:00

The house is um has a lot of mold and mildew inside.

7:05

And based on the report in your packet, uh, the engineer um estimation of cost of repair is beyond uh the cost to rebuild.

7:15

So the applicant is requesting the structure be demolished.

7:19

Uh I'd like to end the case summary and all submittal items and to the record of the proceedings of this item.

7:24

Again, the applicant is requesting a reduction to zero days for demolition.

7:29

Be happy to answer any questions.

7:31

Are there any questions for Ms.

7:32

Notherly?

7:33

Okay.

7:34

Is the applicant present?

7:35

The applicant is here as well as a representative, and um they'd be happy to answer any questions or add any additional information.

7:42

Okay.

7:43

Did the applicant have anything additional to sure?

7:49

Please state your name and address.

7:51

Okay.

7:55

Thank you.

7:56

My name is uh Bendy James.

7:58

I'm uh representing my mother-in-law Bertha Moses over there.

8:01

She resides at 624 South 4th Street.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Historic Preservation█████████████████████████████████████████41%
Building Permits██████████████14%
Tree Preservation████████8%
Public Engagement███████7%
Procedural█████5%
Solar Panel Installation████4%
Public Works████4%
ATM Regulations███3%
Signage Regulations███3%
Summary of Proceedings

Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission Meeting – November 14, 2019

The Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission met on Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 5:30 p.m. in the City Council Chambers at Skyline Center to consider 14 agenda items. The meeting included public hearings, staff presentations, and votes on demolition requests, exterior alterations, new construction, and a public hearing on proposed revisions to the Wilmington Design Guidelines for Historic Districts and Landmarks. The meeting adjourned at 8:39 p.m.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • 624 South 4th Street: Bennie James, representing applicant Bertha Moses, requested a reduction of the 90-day demolition stay to zero days, citing severe hurricane damage and the owner's dislocation since Hurricane Florence. He offered to donate salvageable materials.
  • 507 South 5th Avenue: Beth Rutledge of Historic Wilmington Foundation urged the commission not to demolish the house sooner than the 365-day stay, noting its good condition despite being uninhabited for three years and surviving two hurricanes.
  • 212 South 6th Street: Applicant Robert Atwood explained the rear addition was needed to provide space for aging parents and agreed to all staff conditions.
  • 414 Walnut Street: Applicant Rhonda Bachelor described extensive hurricane damage, insurance delays, and financial constraints preventing a metal roof replacement; she requested approval for asphalt shingles. Commissioner Sulkey suggested exploring a HydroStop membrane system.
  • 121 North 8th Street: Applicant Christopher Krumm explained the roof was replaced after Hurricane Florence due to failure, and he was unaware that a non-historic home in the district required approval.
  • 609 Grace Street: Applicant Tim Johnson described the new two-story accessory structure to replace an existing non-historic shed.
  • 1917 Princess Street: Applicant Jeff Serens stated the owners changed from a master suite to a simpler screened porch, which is smaller and does not require tree removal.
  • 11 & 13 Market Street: Applicant J. Michael Hudson noted the existing metal windows are failing and heavy; he agreed to 8-over-8 windows with exposed muntins.
  • 520 Nun Street: Applicant Mark Smith detailed his extensive search for a salvaged wood column to match the historic originals, including out-of-state trips.
  • Design Guidelines: Beth Rutledge spoke in support of the revised guidelines but requested allowing more than one security sign per building; the commission later amended to allow one sign per elevation with a door.

Discussion Items

  • 624 South 4th Street (Reduction of Demolition Stay): Staff presented that the 1920s house was severely damaged by Hurricane Florence and deemed a total loss by an engineer. The applicant requested zero-day reduction. Commissioner Smith expressed disappointment at losing a historic home. The commission conditionally approved the reduction to zero days with conditions to donate architectural components and protect trees. Motion carried 6-1 (Smith nay).
  • 507 South 5th Avenue (Intent to Demolish): Chief Code Enforcement Officer Brian Renner detailed the city's years-long efforts to address code violations and the property's abandonment. The city intends to use the 365-day stay to pursue foreclosure and preservation. Beth Rutledge urged preservation. The commission conditionally approved the 365-day stay from August 30, 2019, with conditions. Motion carried 7-0.
  • 212 South 6th Street (Rear Addition): Staff presented the proposal for a rear addition with matching materials. Applicant agreed to all 13 staff conditions, including wood doors. Motion to approve carried 7-0.
  • 6 Church Street (Solar Panels): Staff noted state law restricts prohibiting solar panels; the proposed panels on the rear roof are not visible from Church Street. Applicant not present but had agreed to conditions. Motion to approve carried 7-0.
  • 414 Walnut Street (Roof Replacement): The request was to replace historic metal roof with asphalt shingles due to cost. Commissioner Sulkey proposed exploring HydroStop system. Motion to continue to December 12, 2019 carried 6-1 (Keston nay).
  • 121 North 8th Street (After-the-Fact Roof): The non-historic house had a failed 5V metal roof replaced with architectural shingles after Hurricane Florence. The commission approved after-the-fact, noting the gray shingles are more appropriate. Motion carried 6-1 (Smith nay).
  • 609 Grace Street (New Accessory Structure): The proposed two-story garage was deemed more congruous than the existing shed. Motion to approve with 14 conditions carried 7-0.
  • 1917 Princess Street (Porch Addition): The screened porch addition is smaller than previously approved master suite. Motion to approve with 8 conditions carried 7-0.
  • 11 & 13 Market Street (Window Replacement): Replacement of non-historic metal windows with 8-over-8 metal windows with simulated divided lights. Motion to approve with 5 conditions carried 7-0.
  • 520 Nun Street (After-the-Fact Porch Column): Applicant replaced a previously denied fiberglass column with a salvaged wood column that closely matches originals. Motion to approve with conditions (excluding condition 1) carried 7-0.
  • Design Guidelines (Public Hearing): Intern Robert O'Quinn presented proposed guidelines for security cameras, telecommunications, and ATMs. After public comment and discussion, the commission amended the guidelines to remove the 3-foot depth requirement for ATMs, adjust "shall"/"should" language, and allow one security sign per elevation with a door. Motion to approve as amended carried 7-0.
  • Meeting Minutes: The September 12, 2019 minutes were approved with corrections (changing "impervious" to "pervious" and fixing a typo). Motion carried 7-0.
  • Items from the Commission: Discussion on the definition of "congruity" in light of a recent lawsuit. Commissioner Keston expressed desire for distinction between block-level and district-level significance. Chairman Murphy noted the issue would be discussed further. Commissioner Sulkey reported on the Tree Root and Sidewalk Study subcommittee, expressing concern that the historic component was not adequately addressed. The commission agreed to compile comments and bring the study back as a formal agenda item in December.
  • Items from Staff: Beth Rutledge announced a new partnership with Cape Fear Community College to develop a certification program in historic preservation construction, which was praised by the commission. Staff also noted that intern Robert O'Quinn was attending his last meeting before graduation.

Key Outcomes

  • 624 South 4th Street: Approved reduction of demolition stay to zero days (6-1).
  • 507 South 5th Avenue: Approved 365-day stay from August 30, 2019 (7-0).
  • 212 South 6th Street: Approved rear addition (7-0).
  • 6 Church Street: Approved solar panel installation (7-0).
  • 414 Walnut Street: Continued to December 12, 2019 for further research (6-1).
  • 121 North 8th Street: Approved after-the-fact roof replacement (6-1).
  • 609 Grace Street: Approved new accessory structure (7-0).
  • 1917 Princess Street: Approved screened porch addition (7-0).
  • 11 & 13 Market Street: Approved window replacement (7-0).
  • 520 Nun Street: Approved after-the-fact porch column (7-0).
  • Design Guidelines: Approved as amended (7-0). Amendments included removal of 3-foot ATM depth, "shall"/"should" adjustments, and one security sign per elevation with a door.
  • Meeting Minutes: Approved with corrections (7-0).
  • Tree/Sidewalk Study: Subcommittee to compile comments for December meeting; no formal action taken.

Meeting Transcript

Good evening. I'd like to go ahead and call the Thursday, November 14th, 2019 meeting of the City of Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission to order. Thank you for coming. We appreciate your interest and participation in this evening's meeting. Hearings before the Historic Preservation Commission are quasi-judicial in nature. This is a design review process to determine if the proposed project is congruent with the historic aspects and special character of the historic district or landmark. Decisions of the commission are based on the record of these proceedings, the Wilmington design guidelines for historic districts and landmarks, and the Secretary of the Interior standards for rehabilitation. Evidence submitted to the commission for review becomes part of the record. Appeals of commission decisions are to the Wilmington Board of Adjustment and then on to Superior Court and are based on the record. Appeals must be filed within 30 days of the date of the commission's action. Public comment is heard during the public comment portion of the agenda item. Those who wish to address the commission are sworn in as witnesses. Comments should be directed to the commission to ensure that all comments are properly recorded. Please come to the podium to address the commission, state your name and address, and speak clearly. Okay. If you need that, please switch on a T-coil on your hearing aid or ask city staff for assistance. At this time, I would like to request that all cell phones be either turned off or put on silence mode. A reminder to the commissioners, if you have received or been made up aware of any outside evidence related to any of the matters before us this evening, please disclose that information so that may be termed if a recusal is needed. We will start with you, Stephen. Stephen Salke. Joan Keston. Michael Smith. And we are also joined this evening by the following city staff members, Don Snetherly, Historic Preservation Planner, Jeff Walton, Associate Planner, Amy Bradshaw, Planning Coordinator, and Melissa Huffman's Assistant City Attorney. Robert O'Quinn and Robert O'Brien. And that is the time for interested parties to speak in favor or in opposition. Once we close the public comment portion, we will deliberate prior to a motion and a vote. Bear with me. This is a request at 624 South 4th Street. This is a property located in the south southern part of the Wilmington National Register District. The request is to reduce the 90-day stay of demolition for this subject structure located on at the corner of South Fourth and Queen Street. This is a 1920s house that suffered unfortunately very severe damage during Hurricane Florence. You have in your packet a pretty extensive uh inventory of interior photographs prepared by engineer showing the interior conditions. Staff only has exterior photographs. This is the rear elevation. There was an outbuilding in the back. I believe a tree fell, crunch this corner. Can see some other uh deterioration on the rear elevation. This is the front porch, I believe, on the north side, showing additional damage. This is the south elevation. The roof was taken off the side during the storm. Again, an additional exterior uh conditions. The house is um has a lot of mold and mildew inside. And based on the report in your packet, uh, the engineer um estimation of cost of repair is beyond uh the cost to rebuild. So the applicant is requesting the structure be demolished. Uh I'd like to end the case summary and all submittal items and to the record of the proceedings of this item. Again, the applicant is requesting a reduction to zero days for demolition. Be happy to answer any questions. Are there any questions for Ms. Notherly? Okay.

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