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Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission Meeting – November 19, 2020

Historic Preservation CommissionThursday, November 19, 2020
BodyWilmington, North Carolina
SessionHistoric Preservation Commission
DateThursday, November 19, 2020
StatusFILED
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0:48

There may be trouble ahead.

0:55

Music love and romance.

0:58

Let's face the music and lands.

1:07

Before they ask us to pay the bill, and while we still have the chance, let's face the music and dance.

1:19

Soon we'll be without the moon on with a different tune.

1:25

And then there may be teardrops to share.

1:31

So while there's moonlight and music and love and romance, let's face the music and dance.

4:03

The design review process to determine if the proposed project is congruent with special character of the store district or landmark.

4:09

Decisions of the commission are based on the record of these proceedings.

4:12

The Wilmington design standards for stored districts and landmarks and the Secretary of Interior Standards for rehabilitation.

4:19

Evidence submitted to the commission for review becomes part of the record.

4:22

Appeals of commission decisions are to the Wilmington Board of Adjustment and then the Superior Court and are based on the record.

4:28

Appeals must be filed within three days of the date of the commission's action.

4:31

Evidence is received during the evidentiary hearing portion of an agenda item.

4:36

Those who want to address the commissioner sworn as witnesses present material and substantial evidence to the commission.

4:46

Evidence should be directed to the commission.

4:55

A brief reminder that members of this HPC are appointed by and served at the pleasure of the city council.

5:02

Our charge is with respect to the protection and preservation of properties in the city's designated historic district.

5:10

All right.

5:11

And at this time, let's see, we'd like to swear in our new witness, our new commissioner.

5:16

Kathleen Egan.

5:18

Welcome.

5:21

And we've got Amy ready to do that.

5:25

All right, Ms.

5:26

Egan, if you could please raise your right hand.

5:28

I, Kathleen T.

5:30

Egan, having been duly appointed a member of the Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission, do solemnly and sincerely swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the state of North Carolina and to the constitutional powers and authorities, which are or may be established for the government thereof, and that I will endeavor to support, maintain, and defend the constitution of said state not inconsistent with the constitution of the United States, to the best of my knowledge and ability.

6:01

I will obey the laws of the ordinances of the city of Wilmington and faithfully discharge the duties of the office to which I have been appointed.

6:08

So help me God.

6:10

Thank you.

6:11

Thank you, Kathleen.

6:12

I just realized there's more to the introduction.

6:14

I didn't realize we've got more to go.

6:15

They've added a couple pieces.

6:17

So here we go.

6:18

We are held to the standards of the Wilmington Design Standards for historic districts and landmarks and per applicable applicable NC state law to determine if the exterior changes are congruous with the special character of the city's historic districts.

6:30

It is important that we deliberate the merits of each request in a manner that provides a record as to the basis for our decisions.

6:36

Please remember that our deliberations should be centered on how a project meets the design standards and whether the proposed change is congruent or not or is not congruent.

6:45

Commissioners, if you've if you've received or been made aware of any outside evidence related to any of these matters, please recuse yourself.

6:51

At this time, I would like to request that all cell phones are either turned off or put on silence mode.

6:55

And I think that should do it.

6:57

And um, oh yeah.

6:58

Anyone, we got the people out there.

7:00

Yeah, we have people in the hall.

7:01

Good.

7:02

And even more exciting news, we have a new uh historic planner.

7:05

And we're and it's IB free fry tag, which is really exciting because it's been taking a while to get uh a capable hand on the on the on the wheel.

7:14

So it's a big deal.

7:15

And we're glad so glad to have her.

7:17

And we'd also like um our commissioners to introduce themselves, starting with Ron.

7:21

Go ahead.

7:21

Um hi, I'm Ron Wilson, Stephen Salke.

7:27

Marion Kaiser, Rob Romero, Joan Keston, Christopher Yermal, Ashley Wilson.

7:34

Thank you.

7:34

All right, and then we've got Melissa Huffman, Assistant City Attorney, Jeff Walton, Amy Bradshaw, Christine Hughes, and that's our staff.

7:44

And we'd like to swear in our witnesses at this time.

7:47

Amy Bradshaw will do that for us.

7:52

If anyone who intends to speak tonight, could please stand up and raise your right hand.

7:58

Do you affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

8:04

Thank you.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Historic Preservation█████████████████████████████████████████████70%
Procedural████████12%
Housing███5%
Solar Panel Installation2%
Engineering And Infrastructure2%
Public Safety1%
Waste Management1%
Zoning And Land Use1%
Noise Ordinance1%
Summary of Proceedings

Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission Meeting – November 19, 2020

The Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission held a regular meeting on Thursday, November 19, 2020, at 5:30 p.m. at the Wilmington Convention Center. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Rob Romero and included the swearing‑in of a new commissioner. The commission considered nine agenda items covering after‑the‑fact approvals, new construction, demolitions, and exterior alterations, as well as the approval of previous meeting minutes. The meeting adjourned at 8:36 p.m.

Consent Calendar

  • Approval of Minutes: The commission unanimously approved the minutes from the September 10, 2020, and October 8, 2020, meetings. (Motion passed 8‑0)

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Item 8 – 307 North 6th Street: James Beck (612 South 3rd Street) expressed concern that the damage to the house was not solely storm‑related and that the property had been neglected for decades. He questioned why the 365‑day stay of demolition should be waived for a governmental grant program. Lori Wagner, an adjacent property owner, stated she was not notified of the meeting and raised issues about a damaged fence from a fallen tree, asbestos handling, and privacy. She requested a privacy wall. The commission noted that some concerns were civil matters outside its purview.
  • Item 9 – 308 McRae Street: No public testimony was offered during the evidentiary hearing.

Discussion Items

Old Business

  • Item 1 – 516 South 5th Avenue (After‑the‑fact approval for roof and siding): Staff presented violations of a previous Certificate of Appropriateness (COA), including an unauthorized standing seam metal roof with striations, improper siding reveal, unapproved concrete pads, and lighting. The applicant, Ms. Wais Nassar, cited oversight but did not agree to replace the siding. After deliberation, the commission denied the after‑the‑fact request and required the property to be brought into compliance within six months (roof and siding changes). Motion to deny carried 8‑0 (agenda reported 7‑0).
  • Item 2 – 606 Chestnut Street (Screened porch addition): The applicant proposed a rear screened porch matching the house’s design. Commissioner Sulkey recused himself as a neighbor. Staff recommended conditions on roof pitch, materials, and screen color. The applicant agreed. Motion to conditionally approve carried 7‑0 (agenda reported 6‑0).

New Business

  • Item 3 – 415 South 3rd Street (Roof replacement): The applicant sought to replace a failing slate roof with Owens Corning asphalt shingles. Staff recommended CertainTeed Belmont shingles but the commission allowed the Owens Corning brand after discussion. Conditions included salvaging usable slate. Motion to conditionally approve carried 8‑0 (agenda reported 7‑0).
  • Item 4 – 206 North 15th Street (Front door replacement): The applicant (not present) proposed replacing a 1977 oval door with a multi‑light wood door. Staff noted the existing door was not original. The commission approved with conditions (clear glazing, no changes to casing). Motion to conditionally approve carried 8‑0 (agenda reported 7‑0).
  • Item 5 – 820 Macumber Alley (Screened porch and deck expansion): The contractor requested painting the balustrade white to match the front porch. Staff accepted black screens because the house was built in 2008. Motion to conditionally approve carried 8‑0 (agenda reported 6‑0).
  • Item 6 – 113 North 6th Street (New construction of single‑family dwelling): The applicant proposed a two‑story house with an accessory garage, spa, and brick fireplace. A key issue was the placement of 24 solar panels. Staff recommended limiting panels to the back two‑thirds of the roof, but after discussion the commission removed that condition, allowing all panels. The design was praised. Motion to conditionally approve carried 7‑1 (agenda reported 6‑1; Mr. Wilson voted no).
  • Item 7 – 1519 Chestnut Street (Demolish and reconstruct detached garage): The existing dilapidated garage was to be replaced with a two‑story garage with an accessory dwelling unit. The commission waived the 365‑day stay of demolition and approved the design. Motion to conditionally approve carried 8‑0.
  • Item 8 – 307 North 6th Street (Demolish and construct new dwelling): The applicant (New Hanover County Office of Recovery and Resilience) proposed demolishing a severely deteriorated house and building a new 1,080‑sq‑ft home for an elderly disabled couple under a Hurricane Florence recovery grant. The commission reduced the stay of demolition to 30 days (from a staff‑recommended 90) to allow salvage by the Historic Wilmington Foundation. Conditions included a privacy fence along the sides of the property, no steel door (fiberglass preferred), and gutters. Motion to conditionally approve carried 8‑0.
  • Item 9 – 308 McRae Street (Demolish and construct new dwelling): Similar to Item 8, this property also qualified for the same grant program. The house was in extreme disrepair, and the owner was an elderly disabled veteran. The commission reduced the stay of demolition to 30 days and approved the design. Condition #7 requiring off‑street parking was removed because no driveway existed. Motion to conditionally approve carried 8‑0.

Key Outcomes

  • Denial: 516 South 5th Avenue – after‑the‑fact approval denied; owner given 6 months to correct violations.
  • Conditional Approvals: All other eight applications were approved with specific conditions as detailed above.
  • Vote Totals: The official minutes record the following votes (agenda reported different numbers for some items; the minutes are the official record):
    • Item 1: 8‑0 (agenda: 7‑0)
    • Item 2: 7‑0 (agenda: 6‑0)
    • Item 3: 8‑0 (agenda: 7‑0)
    • Item 4: 8‑0 (agenda: 7‑0)
    • Item 5: 8‑0 (agenda: 6‑0)
    • Item 6: 7‑1 (agenda: 6‑1)
    • Item 7: 8‑0
    • Item 8: 8‑0
    • Item 9: 8‑0
    • Minutes approval: 8‑0
  • Next Meeting: The next regular meeting is scheduled for December 10, 2020.

Meeting Transcript

There may be trouble ahead. Music love and romance. Let's face the music and lands. Before they ask us to pay the bill, and while we still have the chance, let's face the music and dance. Soon we'll be without the moon on with a different tune. And then there may be teardrops to share. So while there's moonlight and music and love and romance, let's face the music and dance. The design review process to determine if the proposed project is congruent with special character of the store district or landmark. Decisions of the commission are based on the record of these proceedings. The Wilmington design standards for stored districts and landmarks and the Secretary of Interior Standards for rehabilitation. Evidence submitted to the commission for review becomes part of the record. Appeals of commission decisions are to the Wilmington Board of Adjustment and then the Superior Court and are based on the record. Appeals must be filed within three days of the date of the commission's action. Evidence is received during the evidentiary hearing portion of an agenda item. Those who want to address the commissioner sworn as witnesses present material and substantial evidence to the commission. Evidence should be directed to the commission. A brief reminder that members of this HPC are appointed by and served at the pleasure of the city council. Our charge is with respect to the protection and preservation of properties in the city's designated historic district. All right. And at this time, let's see, we'd like to swear in our new witness, our new commissioner. Kathleen Egan. Welcome. And we've got Amy ready to do that. All right, Ms. Egan, if you could please raise your right hand. I, Kathleen T. Egan, having been duly appointed a member of the Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission, do solemnly and sincerely swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the state of North Carolina and to the constitutional powers and authorities, which are or may be established for the government thereof, and that I will endeavor to support, maintain, and defend the constitution of said state not inconsistent with the constitution of the United States, to the best of my knowledge and ability. I will obey the laws of the ordinances of the city of Wilmington and faithfully discharge the duties of the office to which I have been appointed. So help me God. Thank you. Thank you, Kathleen. I just realized there's more to the introduction. I didn't realize we've got more to go. They've added a couple pieces. So here we go. We are held to the standards of the Wilmington Design Standards for historic districts and landmarks and per applicable applicable NC state law to determine if the exterior changes are congruous with the special character of the city's historic districts. It is important that we deliberate the merits of each request in a manner that provides a record as to the basis for our decisions. Please remember that our deliberations should be centered on how a project meets the design standards and whether the proposed change is congruent or not or is not congruent. Commissioners, if you've if you've received or been made aware of any outside evidence related to any of these matters, please recuse yourself. At this time, I would like to request that all cell phones are either turned off or put on silence mode. And I think that should do it. And um, oh yeah. Anyone, we got the people out there. Yeah, we have people in the hall. Good. And even more exciting news, we have a new uh historic planner. And we're and it's IB free fry tag, which is really exciting because it's been taking a while to get uh a capable hand on the on the on the wheel. So it's a big deal. And we're glad so glad to have her. And we'd also like um our commissioners to introduce themselves, starting with Ron.

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