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Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission Meeting - February 10, 2022

Historic Preservation CommissionThursday, February 10, 2022
BodyWilmington, North Carolina
SessionHistoric Preservation Commission
DateThursday, February 10, 2022
StatusFILED
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0:43

Good evening.

0:45

My name is Kathleen Egan and I'm chair of the Historic Preservation Commission.

0:50

And today is the February 10th, 2022 meeting.

0:57

Hearings before the Historic Preservation Commission are quasi-judicial in nature.

1:03

This is a design review process to determine if the proposed project is congruous with the special character of the historic district or in landmark.

1:13

Decisions of the Commission are based on the record of these proceedings.

1:18

The Wilmington Design Standards for Historic Districts and Landmarks and the Secretary of the Interior standards for rehabilitation.

1:26

Evidence submitted to the Commission for review becomes part of the record.

1:31

Appeals of commission decisions are to the Wilmington Board of Adjustment and then the Superior Court and are based on the record.

1:38

Appeals must be filed within 30 days of the date of the Commission's action.

1:43

Evidence is received during the evidentiary hearing portion of an agenda item.

1:49

Those who wish to address the commission are sworn as witnesses to present material and substantial evidence to the commission.

1:57

The chair recognizes those who want to submit such evidence during the evidentiary hearing.

2:03

Evidence should be directed to the commission.

2:06

To ensure that evidence is properly recorded, please come to the podium.

2:11

To address the commission, please state your name and address and then speak clearly since we're taped the meetings.

2:18

A brief reminder that members of the HPC are appointed and serve at the pleasure of city council.

2:25

Our charges with respect to the protection and preservation of properties within the city's designated historic district.

2:34

We are held to the standards of the Wilmington Design Standards for Historic Districts and Landmarks and per applicable and North Carolina state law to determine if exterior changes are congruous with the special character of the city's historic districts.

2:51

It is important that we deliberate the merits of each request in a manner that provides a record as to the basis of our decisions.

2:59

Please remember that our deliberations should be centered on how a project meets the design standards and whether the proposed change is congruous or not.

3:09

Commissioners, if you have received or been made aware of any outside evidence related to any of the matters, please recuse yourself from that agenda item.

3:20

At this time I would like to request that all cell phones be either turned off or put in silence mode.

3:27

Thank you.

3:38

Steven Sulkey.

3:39

Ron Wilson.

3:40

Joan Keston.

3:42

Kathleen Egan.

3:43

Christopher Yerbal.

3:44

Michael Smith.

3:45

Ashley Wilson.

3:48

And tonight we have the uh Melissa Huffman, who is the Assistant City Attorney, Christine Hughes, who is the senior planner, Amy Bradshaw, planning coordinator, Megan Basick, who is the assistant planner.

4:06

Did I miss anybody?

4:09

Okay.

4:10

Craig Harris.

4:12

Craig Harris.

4:14

And Craig Harrison.

4:18

Okay.

4:19

Um at this time we would like to swear in anyone who would like to speak or present evidence during the evidentiary hearing.

4:30

If everyone who wishes to speak, whether you're an applicant or a member of the public, if you intend to speak this evening, if you'll please stand up or raise your right hand.

4:39

Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

4:45

Thank you.

4:53

Um from the last meeting.

5:00

And so I will move first to the old business, agenda item one, and which the applicant would like to continue.

5:07

So I move to continue the request for change of roofing materials at 226 South Fourth Street to the March 10th, 2002 meeting.

5:18

Second.

5:20

All in favor?

5:21

Aye.

5:23

Okay.

5:24

Then we will move on to new business and the first agenda item.

5:34

That's 416 North Fifth Avenue.

5:51

Amy, can you hear me okay?

6:02

The applicant proposes exterior alterations to windows and window openings in roof lines, installation of a new door opening on the rear of the house, repair of the front porch and side deck, roof replacement in kind, and painting the house and trim.

6:21

Built circum 1904, the Thaddeus Dixon House is a two-story side passage house with an attached hipped roof porch.

6:28

The gable is pedimented with a round attic vent.

6:31

Windows are two over two sash windows, and there is an enclosed stair on the north elevation.

6:39

The subject property is a contributing resource in the historic district residential, and revisions to all facades of a building in the entire site are subject to design review in this district.

6:49

You'll see it is at the very north edge of the historic district residential, and it was rezoned from O and I to HDR in 2000.

7:01

The applicant seeks to make uh repairs and changes to the building, including repairing the siding with in-kind materials, which would be kiln-dried treated pine from special wood, and to paint the siding and trim siding to be uh dashing white and trim to be forged steel.

7:21

The applicant proposes to align the windows on the north side elevation so that they are at the same level on the top.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Historic Preservation█████████████████████████████████████████████49%
Architectural Preservation█████████████████19%
Noise Ordinance████████9%
Public Engagement██████6%
Fence Regulations████4%
Education████4%
Procedural███3%
Urban Planning██2%
Public Safety██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission Meeting - February 10, 2022

The Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission held a regular meeting on Thursday, February 10, 2022, at 5:30 p.m. in City Council Chambers, Skyline Center, 929 North Front Street, Wilmington, NC. Chair Kathleen Egan presided. The meeting included one old business item continued from January, six new business items for exterior alterations, a public hearing, and a discussion on establishing an educational program. All votes were unanimous except where noted.

Old Business

  • 226 South 4th Street (Parcel #R05405-015-006-000) – Change Roofing Materials (MJW-22-27): The applicant requested a continuance to the March 10, 2022 meeting. Motion to continue carried 7-0.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Catherine Finlan (resident of 121 South 2nd Street): Expressed opposition to the 214 Market Street project, citing concerns about noise from the proposed beer garden. She requested specific acoustic measures and noted the operator’s stated intent to not have amplified music. The commission clarified that noise abatement is not within its purview.
  • Mimi Ashton (resident of 14 & 16 South 7th Street): Raised questions about potential underground oil tanks (later confirmed by staff to have never existed), the removal of a chain-link fence, and landscaping/maintenance for the 616 Market Street/10 S. 7th Street project. The applicant addressed her concerns.

New Business Discussion Items

1. 416 North 5th Avenue – Windows, Rear Deck, Doors, Roofline Modification (MJW-2202-30)

  • The applicant proposed extensive exterior repairs and alterations to a contributing 1904 house, including window alignment, storm windows, roof repairs, a new door opening, and painting. Staff presented design standards; the applicant (Ben Wells) answered questions. Commissioners commended the use of true divided-light windows.
  • Key Outcome: Motion to approve with nine conditions (e.g., matching roofing materials, alignment of storm window meeting rails, no weep hole caulking, clear glazing, true divided lights, matching siding, administrative bypass for side deck changes). Carried 7-0.

2. 216 North 19th Street – Window Alterations (MJW-2202-31)

  • The applicant proposed removing an existing window, infilling the opening, and reinstalling the window in a new location on a non-contributing ranch house. The change improves symmetry. Applicant (Michael Dell) noted interior design reasons. Staff found the proposal consistent with design standards.
  • Key Outcome: Motion to approve with conditions (matching siding, compliance with code, administrative bypass for changes). Carried 7-0.

3. 214 Market Street – Rear Addition, Landscaping (MJW-2202-32)

  • Vice-Chair Yermal recused himself due to professional involvement. The applicant (David Arneson) proposed a rear addition, ADA-compliant front entrance modifications, a new brick wall/gate, landscaping, and relocation of mechanical units. A ramp was moved closer to the alley to meet building code. Concerns about tree removal and noise were addressed. The applicant agreed to limit wall height to 6 feet.
  • Key Outcome: Motion to approve with eleven conditions (including front entrance design per submittal, 6-foot max wall height, lighting/signage via administrative bypass, tree protection, clear glazing, no removal of public right-of-way trees). Carried 6-0 (Yermal recused).

4. 411 North 5th Avenue – Composite Columns on Front Porch (MJW-2202-33)

  • The applicant (Martin Kitner) sought to install six Tuscan-style FRP composite columns, matching original columns shown in archival photos. He cited a $11,000 cost savings over wood. Commissioners noted precedent for composite columns in the district.
  • Key Outcome: Motion to approve with conditions (compliance with code, administrative bypass for changes). Carried 7-0.

5. 816 Grace Street – Fence on Corner Lot (MJW-2202-34)

  • The applicant was not present. Staff (Craig Harris) presented a proposal to replace a fence on a corner lot (contributing resource). The fence would be 4 feet tall along Grace Street and 6 feet tall along McCumber Alley, with unpainted pressure-treated pine, dog-eared board-on-board design. Existing posts reused.
  • Key Outcome: Motion to approve with five conditions (finished side out, sand-set posts within 3 feet of house, compliance with submittal, code compliance, administrative bypass). Carried 7-0.

6. 616 Market Street / 10 S. 7th Street – Storefront Modifications, Clerestory Windows, Parking Lot Regrade/Repave (MJW-2202-35)

  • The applicant (Davis Lisle, via Zoom) proposed replacing storefront windows, installing a new entrance door, three clerestory windows on the roof, new TPO roofing, and regrading/paving the rear parking lot. The building is a non-contributing 1963 structure. Questions were raised about clerestory visibility and fencing removal. Staff confirmed no oil tanks.
  • Key Outcome: Motion to approve with six conditions (existing brick wall protection, administrative bypass for fencing/signage/lighting, no signs on S. 7th St wall, code compliance). Carried 7-0.

Other Business

Education Program Proposal

  • Commissioner Michael Smith proposed establishing an educational program on historic preservation, citing North Carolina General Statute 160D. After discussion about the scope (general education vs. advocacy), the commission agreed to form a subcommittee. Chair Egan clarified that lobbying is not within the commission’s purview but general education is supported. Staff noted that CLG grants are not feasible for Wilmington. Commissioner Steven Sulkey shared his existing realtor education course.
  • Key Outcome: Motion to approve an educational program as described under state statute carried 6-0 (Commissioner Wilson left prior to vote).

Items from Staff

  • Planning Coordinator Amy Bradshaw announced that the March 10, 2022 meeting will be held at the Wilmington Convention Center due to filming at Thalian Hall.

Meeting Adjournment

The meeting adjourned at 7:19 p.m. The next scheduled meeting is Thursday, March 10, 2022.

Meeting Transcript

Good evening. My name is Kathleen Egan and I'm chair of the Historic Preservation Commission. And today is the February 10th, 2022 meeting. Hearings before the Historic Preservation Commission are quasi-judicial in nature. This is a design review process to determine if the proposed project is congruous with the special character of the historic district or in landmark. Decisions of the Commission are based on the record of these proceedings. The Wilmington Design Standards for Historic Districts and Landmarks and the Secretary of the Interior standards for rehabilitation. Evidence submitted to the Commission for review becomes part of the record. Appeals of commission decisions are to the Wilmington Board of Adjustment and then the Superior Court and are based on the record. Appeals must be filed within 30 days of the date of the Commission's action. Evidence is received during the evidentiary hearing portion of an agenda item. Those who wish to address the commission are sworn as witnesses to present material and substantial evidence to the commission. The chair recognizes those who want to submit such evidence during the evidentiary hearing. Evidence should be directed to the commission. To ensure that evidence is properly recorded, please come to the podium. To address the commission, please state your name and address and then speak clearly since we're taped the meetings. A brief reminder that members of the HPC are appointed and serve at the pleasure of city council. Our charges with respect to the protection and preservation of properties within the city's designated historic district. We are held to the standards of the Wilmington Design Standards for Historic Districts and Landmarks and per applicable and North Carolina state law to determine if exterior changes are congruous with the special character of the city's historic districts. It is important that we deliberate the merits of each request in a manner that provides a record as to the basis of our decisions. Please remember that our deliberations should be centered on how a project meets the design standards and whether the proposed change is congruous or not. Commissioners, if you have received or been made aware of any outside evidence related to any of the matters, please recuse yourself from that agenda item. At this time I would like to request that all cell phones be either turned off or put in silence mode. Thank you. Steven Sulkey. Ron Wilson. Joan Keston. Kathleen Egan. Christopher Yerbal. Michael Smith. Ashley Wilson. And tonight we have the uh Melissa Huffman, who is the Assistant City Attorney, Christine Hughes, who is the senior planner, Amy Bradshaw, planning coordinator, Megan Basick, who is the assistant planner. Did I miss anybody? Okay. Craig Harris. Craig Harris. And Craig Harrison. Okay. Um at this time we would like to swear in anyone who would like to speak or present evidence during the evidentiary hearing. If everyone who wishes to speak, whether you're an applicant or a member of the public, if you intend to speak this evening, if you'll please stand up or raise your right hand. Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Thank you. Um from the last meeting. And so I will move first to the old business, agenda item one, and which the applicant would like to continue. So I move to continue the request for change of roofing materials at 226 South Fourth Street to the March 10th, 2002 meeting. Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Then we will move on to new business and the first agenda item.

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