Allegiance led by Commissioner Chenal, followed by the invocation with Chief Thompson.

I both believed to fly.

Please remain standing.

Heavenly Father, we thank you for allowing us all to be here tonight and conduct the business of the city.

We just pray you be with these commissioners and lead guide and direct us through the items on this agenda tonight.

Please be seated.

And we'll officially call the meeting to order.

Uh the commission needs to take one little piece of business here as a cleanup just for a second.

We need to redo the vote uh on the opioid strategic plan.

So we'll go back and put it on to this meeting.

So is there a motion?

Yes.

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Second, second by Commissioner Toole.

Any further discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by a like sign?

Motion carries.

Next item I'm gonna um move down to item four B.

And that is an ordinance amending section 1481.

Uh including the public pool and the splash pad.

And Mr.

Rainey is here this evening as uh the executive director of the WMU to answer any questions that the commission might have.

So Kyle, if you don't mind, you'll just come forward and explain to the commission what this is.

First, thanks everybody for having us my first city initially um there were a lot of questions last year when the splash pad opened about the water rates or the water utility bills.

Uh you worked pretty heavily with uh Jeff uh on the project.

Made a lot of recommendations which they followed, but it still uses water.

Uh I met with Commissioner Tool at one point.

Um trying to get some things to go through.

Um really suggestions, so we just went ahead.

We wanted to help as much as we could.

Water's not free, but to see what we could do uh as active members of the community to help.

So we we did this uh recommendation to you guys for approval.

It's tier rate, so it's hard to say all the information I had to go by, but it's probably 55 to 60 percent uh cut on water.

Uh there are some limitations on who can use it, uh for obvious reasons, so it's any city or county um brand pole or slash pad that has a leader uh designated for that use.

So it can be use for uh restrooms or anything has to be used just for that uh for that use.

We appreciate your guys' support uh as it's a little bit to go through guys.

Kyle, it's my understanding that it does not affect residential rates in any shape, form, or fashion.

We're talking about bulk water rate here.

So, what happens is I think I'm just going off of a budget number, not on the actual usages for the splash pad, so it's hard for me to tell.

I think they'll use the first two tiers.

We drop them down to the bottom tier across the board.

So if you want to know the exact numbers, I don't know my head.

So uh the top two tiers are uh 620 and 567.

This will drop them down to 259 across the board for all of their per 100 cubic feet of water usage.

Thank you.

And 100 cubic feet, if my memory serves me correct, is about 700 gallons for you.

Yeah, okay.

Any questions on that?

Thanks for continuing the effort and doing it for the collaboration.

Okay, thank you so much.

Thank you, okay.

Is there a motion to approve the ordinance ordinance?

We need to read the four things.

Okay, but we need to read the ordinance.

Okay, go ahead.

You read it.

An ordinance amending section 14-81.1 water utility rate schedules to include public court or splash pack.

A copy of this ordinance may be reviewed at the office of the city clerk, 30 to Wall Street during normal business hours.

I hereby certify that the foregoing is an accurate summary of the contents of the above title ordinance where you may document city attorney.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Cox.

Is there a second?

Second, second by Commissioner Toole.

Any further discussion?

All in favor, aye, aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Yes, I think.

Yeah.

Okay, let me call cheese here.

So Tom wasn't here for the 430 meeting.

Do you need to reread that ordinance that we voted on prior to this one?

Yeah, yeah, it was read at 430 to 6,000.

Yeah, we didn't have an order.

We didn't have it as a presentation.

We didn't have one.

Yeah, there's nothing on there.

Okay.

Next, we do have a presentation, but we are going to go out of order for a few moments.

Uh Mr.

Baker has been so kind to sit so politely.

I had to start out WMU meeting with him this morning, so I end my day with him, I guess.

But um he's uh here and wants to speak.

Uh so Mr.

Baker, if this is public comment time.

So you do remember that we have a four-minute limit, but if you go over just a couple minutes, I'll close my eyes.

Thank you.

Good evening, Mayor, Commissioners, and community officials.

My name is William Baker.

I live at 22830 Street here in Winchester.

We as members of Pontaville neighborhood residential community are deeply concerned that an application was submitted requesting that a homeless shelter open and reside in our neighborhood.

At least the building at 133 Third Street.

We thank the zoning board and the city for denying that request.

I say that I am on at 228 Third Street.

And we, as members of our community, believe that a homeless shelter would not enhance our neighborhood.

We believe that it would degrade our neighborhood and it will create safety concerns for our seniors and all members of our residential neighborhood community.

We thank again for approving the request for the homeless shelter to be in our neighborhood, not being in our neighborhood.

And we're asking this body of city officials as a path forward to adopt and approve an ordinance that will prohibit any homely shelter, drug rehab standing, or any license by any commercial visit from moving into our partners, neighborhood community.

We all we are also asking if a request for a change or amendment to this ordinance be made or requested, 11 must be sent to all residents in the neighborhood, and a meeting scheduled by the city to address our concerns.

This would alleviate our concern.

Adopting an ordinance for this concern in every residential neighborhood community in Winchester.

And it will eliminate any member of the residential community in this city from coming before this body again for this issue.

And we are also asking that this body of city official to have its first and second reading of the ordinance, voted and approved, adopted within the next five months by the third Tuesday, the 20th of October.

We know that October the 20th will be the last meeting of this body before the general election.

And we are requested this timeline because we know that some of the members may not be in office after the general election.

And sometimes we procrastinate and say let the newly elected officials of this city take care of it.

So we also would like the board to appoint a person as a point of contact so that we can follow up with a progress on a monthly basis, and if compete completion is done in the suggested timeline.

We're asking this board of officials to consider our request and move forward and adopt an ordinance that prohibits homely shelter, drug rehab rehabilitation center, any likeness or any commercial building business in our residential area in this community within the timeline that's given October the 20, 2026.

And we're asking this body if this is a durable and reasonable timeline to approve and accept this ordinance.

Okay, so William, I think what we need to do is if you don't care to leave those requests that you just read with the city clerk, okay, so we can look at it, and Mr.

Dykman will get with our city manager and see what we need to do, what the process is, and we will take it up and look at it and see what we can do.

You do know that the current issue is it's not going anywhere.

Yes.

And a shelter is not considered as a conditional use in the R1D zoning district.

So that's already it's over with.

And uh our community appreciate and thank you for the time of hearing and listening to our concern.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We'll present.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

Is that all we thank you?

All right, we tried to move you to the front because it's so nice tonight.

Hate for you sitting here for another hour, hour and a half.

So but we'll uh take it up and see what we need to do and can do and what we can do under statute and let our attorney advise us.

Is that good?

All right, we'll do it.

All right.

Um let's go to item number three.

Now let's go back.

Let's back up here just a minute.

Major Brown, wherever you are.

There you go.

I see you in the back.

No, I'm not having a book.

Yeah, I have to do it.

Yeah, and I don't know.

We have one other house.

Are you on the agenda to speak?

Chris, are you on the agenda?

Are you on the agreement?

And that's so we get to that, and you'll just come in and I see it right here.

Okay, yeah.

Okay, so close.

Okay, we're having a presentation this evening by Major James Brown from our fire and EMS.

Uh gonna discuss some paramedic classes along with uh cooperative agreement between Winchester Fire Department and BCTC.

Is that correct?

Yes.

So I'll kind of take a bunch of your time.

Okay.

Over the course of the past uh three and a half years we've been working with GRC, BCTC, um developing some community education, GRC specifically.

They want to get a dual program going with their juniors and seniors, where then they can go to BCTC and they would be able to achieve an EMT certification.

So this allows them a pathway to set them up for the future, possibly for require or EMS.

Um part of that publishing.

Go up.

Well, no, there you go.

Uh it's like I said, it's a joint project between the three uh community partners.

Uh GRC students will be attending the dual credit program, the EMT class with BCTC.

Um to this contract, Winchester Fire will take over teaching that class, so it would be Winchester Fire acting as an outside contractor with BCTC to teach these EMS classes.

Uh we are currently loaning uh GRC some equipment for training, so they can or I guess we're loaning BCTC and DRC whether we want to join program.

So they've got a grant, but until they get that, we're helping them keep their program going until their grant kicks in.

In the fall semester, the WFE will be doing the classroom instruction for these students.

Uh the benefits, like I said, creating a pathway for an EMS career within the community.

So it's really nice to have home programs come work at the local fire department.

Next slide, please.

Um, this is the A classes.

So we've ran a couple of A classes already.

Uh, those have been strictly internal within the department, and we've actually had some clear results for that.

We've had a couple of people in the community that have uh suffer from cardiac arrest and annuals that have been tied up because we have advanced providers on the fire trucks at least twice that I can find pretty easily.

We've had a return of spontaneous circulation, which means CPR worked, and that was done by the ALS providers on the fire trucks.

So this program is having an impact moving forward partnering with BC BCTC, like we're planning to.

We can do this at a greatly reduced cost for the department in the city, and the big benefit to the actual students is they'll be getting college credit for these courses now as opposed to right now.

They're just getting the certification.

Same certification, but just get college credit, and it costs a lot less out of my training.

Uh hopefully in the spring of 2027, uh we will be doing paramedic class with BCTC as well.

Uh, this is a huge benefit to us.

Uh I know several of the city commissioners and the mayor were here.

We were having some more time with paramedic wise.

I know I was here we were having rough time for paramedics.

It was it was bad.

Yeah, uh this would provide us with a direct source.

We can run somebody through we get a somebody on the department, we can put them through this program.

We're still instructing them, we can watch them as they learn and develop.

Um build loyalty in that, but you also get access to the students who want to go through this program who aren't currently employees, so we get to have eyes on them, and then you can see the way Winchester Fire operates, and maybe it works well for them.

So this does provide us with a I won't say endless, but an additional source of new paramedic recruits.

Uh the instructors for this class and all these classes will be paid for by BCTC.

Like I said, it's an outside contract, so they pay us a flight rate for the class.

Um credit hour, I think for an EMT class, and we're coming out is about 7200 for A class and about 9600, and then they will pay that rate and we provide the instructors, so it's not also the city to do the instruction.

Um also allows WFD personnel to pursue a degree program with these classes.

Next slide, please.

Um this is a rough estimate of the price breakdown versus internal versus external uh for 10 advanced EMT students.

Uh it works out to roughly costing up to about half the cost to run through the VCTC program because once again we're not paying for the instructors, and they will be eligible to build student aid versus internal.

We have to look a bit of everything.

So pre-subsessional savings on the A program.

So it's 1500 or a single student thousand if we run it through the VCTC program.

Next slide.

So you mean continue what we have the paramedic program versus what we do with BCTC.

It's a little harder to get these numbers because we've never run internal EMG program, but we've got students to UGP.

And I'm comparing those prices.

So once again, we're able to run through less than half.

So great.

Once again, substantial savings for the city.

And it's supposed to be ECP program, they are also working for college decreased.

Next slide.

We'll see reduced cost, always good.

Tax bare money, taxpayer money.

Current providers can receive instruction from sources they don't trust.

It's always nice when people you use the learning from and people you continue learning from.

We can't really do anything other than provide the class for versus financial aid that can be for the books.

They can even buy some financial aid programs that will assist with the SLOM.

So it's a lot less strain on the financial aid.

Students in all three classes, like I said, I've been harping on the college credit, but that's important to me.

I'm sure it's important to love the guys.

Uh paramedic program.

Just that is gonna be a tremendous resource for us.

Uh the instructors themselves will be gaining valuable experience in a higher education environment.

I it's one thing to teach in front of a group requirement, it's another thing to teach in group of a group of college kids.

Um we don't have super long careers.

Lots of us will be looking for jobs for more 60.

It'd be nice if we had that sort of educational background on resumes and creates community pathway.

I mean, you can go from high school to my job within a department in a career.

You start 17 going through the GRC program and never have to leave Winchester to really advance a career have a long year.

So that's I think you're going to this agenda item four later.

So 5A will be there.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Any questions for major while he's up here?

No.

Okay, and we'll be taking action on this in just a little bit.

And and you're you're right, Major.

You know, a few years ago we had a terrible paramedic shortage.

And I know there's no one sitting in this room, including all the sitting up here, that when we call 911, we want that ambulance at our house, but we want the people riding that ambulance to be highly trained and have enough staff to make the runs.

We learned from having I think six paramedics on staff, but now we have more than six critical care paramedics, which is a step higher in the regular paramedics.

It's huge.

And we have a very well-trained department, so thank you for that.

Okay, we'll move down to item three, madam clerk.

A resolution of the city of Winchester, Kentucky approving the granting of local incentives to Washington Penn and any subsequent assignees or approved affiliates, therefore, pursuant to KRS chapter 154, sub chapter 32.

Whereas the Board of Commissioners of the City of Winchester finds that it is a legitimate public purpose of the city to undertake activities for the purpose of attracting and retaining jobs for residents of this community, and whereas the Kentucky General Assembly in 2009 enacted KRS 154.32-010 to 154.32-100, the act establishing the Kentucky Business Investment Program, the KBI program, for the purpose of encouraging the development and inspection of the Washington PIN industry in Kentucky, and whereas the KBI program provides state incentives to businesses which locate or expand in the Commonwealth, including regional or national headquarters, thus creating preserving jobs for Kentuckians.

And whereas the KBI program encourages local government to participate in these incentives for businesses within their jurisdictions, and whereas the city of Winchester finds that offering local incentives authorized by the KBI program for the purpose of attracting retaining businesses, is in furtherance of the public purpose of the city and will benefit the community by creating new sources of tax revenue for the support of the public services provided by the city, and whereas Washington Penn seeks to expand and locate its existing or new operations to Winchester, Kentucky.

And whereas Washington Penn seeks to expand and locate its existing or new operations to Winchester, Kentucky.

Now therefore, be it resolved by the Winchester Board of Commissioners as follows.

Section one, the Winchester Board of Commissioners does hereby approve participating in the grant of incentives to Washington Penn and any subsequent assignees and approved affiliates thereof under the KBA program, subject to Washington Penn satisfying the requirements set forth in the act, including minimum full-time jobs, investment, and wage and employee benefits, and subject to the terms of this resolution.

Section two, the Winchester Board of Commissioners does hereby agree to participate in the grant of incentives under the KBI program by contributing one percent of the local occupational tax of 2% pursuant to the provisions of KRS 154.32-090.

Section three, the mayor and other appropriate officers and employees of the City of Winchester are authorized and directed to execute, acknowledge, and deliver on behalf of the City of Winchester, any and all papers, instruments, certificates, affidavits, and other documents, and to do and cost to be done any and all acts and things necessary or proper for the grant of incentives as authorized by the act and this resolution.

Section 4.

No portion of the funds derive by Washington Penn from the grant of incentives herein shall be used by Washington Penn for any purposes designed to prevent, limit, discourage, or restrict union activities within said company.

Section five.

This resolution shall be effective upon its passage and approval.

Otherwise becoming law introduced and adopted at the Winchester Board of Commissioners at a meeting held on June the second.

Is there a motion to approve this resolution for Washington Pennsylvania?

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Cox.

Any further discussion?

Uh it says in section two that the occupational tax two percent isn't it?

2.015.

2.015.

2.12.15.

Yes.

That correct on here.

Okay.

Are you okay with your motion with that correction?

Shin, you okay with that?

With the correction.

All right.

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by like son?

Motion carries.

Item four ordinance.

These are for first reading for a madam clerk.

Sorry.

Um sorry, sorry.

That's okay.

An ordinance promoting health and the requirement of certification of recovery residences providing housing for individuals in recovery from substance use.

Certified copy of this ordinance can be viewed in the city clerk's office 32 Wall Street.

I hereby certify that the foregoing is an accurate summary of the attached ordinance William A.

Documents, City Attorney.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Cox.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Strode.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

We have taken care of four B.

Let's go down to four C, Madam Clerk.

Oh, yes, sir.

Um there's a title on page two.

As you as you know we discussed before this ordinance was largely modified.

The May 27th date of 2025.

Okay.

Paragraph 4.7.

One of the iterations is I wrote it as X probably discipline.

Okay.

June.

That's the descriptor's error.

Okay.

That's what we'll point that out.

Thank you.

Mr.

City Manager, can we get that corrected?

And okay.

There's an understanding out of that line.

Whoops.

Okay.

Okay.

Yes, ma'am.

Um, I would like to speak on behalf of the ordinance for the recovery housing about some things as colleagues and I'll look through the process of concerns and flipping statements that we want.

Okay.

Just come to the podium.

Please introduce name, address.

Thank you.

My name is Jessica Nelson.

I read a 3486 Stanford Drive in Winchester, Kentucky.

Um sorry, I didn't catch your name.

Jessica Nelson.

Jessica Nelson.

Yes.

Um, also a person on long-term recovery, also a licensed mental health and drug and alcohol therapist, um, mother, daughter, all the great things.

Uh, so I had some colleagues of mine that we sat down and looked over this last night throughout the day.

Um I've made some copies.

Um, if it's okay to give you all these.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So I think many um communities across the city agree that we need a city ordinance to kind of oversee uh recovery housing and making sure that they're living up to the standards and certifications set by the state, um, which used to be, you know, we have PNAR, but then KR, um, and there's been some changes in that system as well.

Um going down through here, even going through the certification process um by what the ordinance puts for if the city requires full certification before residents may obtain a business license or begin operating.

The ordinance may make certification practically impossible because of the certification process through the state standards of KR.

Um so in each section that we've included, um kind of addresses like some of the things that we support, and then like the reposed for um changes that should or be considered um under conditional use permit requirement.

This requirement is problematic if comparable groups of unrelated individuals or other residential uses are not subject to the same process.

Recovery residences are homes for individuals who are often protected under the Fair Housing Act.

A local government may not impose a special zoning approval process on housing for persons with disabilities while allowing compare comparable housing for persons without disabilities as a right.

Um I know there's uh sitting here tonight.

I heard some concerns about another neighborhood and some things going there.

I'm not sure everyone's like full understanding of recovery housing and what that looks like, but there's different levels of recovery housing.

Um, there's some that we consider we just call pay houses, right?

So these are people who typically have came straight through a residential program, and for the sake of this community, let's use Nude for an example, and then they've like transitioned into probably another program or they participated in it in an intensive outpatient program.

Um I guess that paint of purpose that they offer IOP um Vista, Mount Comp, those are places that have Iope programs.

Most pay houses are people who've already had like a substantial amount of recovery under their belt, they're usually working because they have to pay rent to be there.

Um, these are not people who are considered a transient pop population, um, like that would consider people that are in a helmet shelter, or even for my own personal or professional experience.

People who typically find their way to ILP sober living agencies.

So these are agencies that offer sober living, but also have them in a program for treatment.

Um so we have different levels of sober living that I also think should be considered, especially um when we consider zoning.

Uh, in the ordinance, it was very um, there wasn't a lot of detail explaining like what that really looked like as far as like following zoning for these types of residences.

Um, I definitely think there should be consideration about the type of sober living that is being considered or asking for application and what services they do or do not provide um to better help address all concerns with the community of Winchester.

Um the inspection authority.

Um there's not a lot of like clear indication of like what this really looks like.

Um the ordinance should not authorize open-ended access to any portion of a residence by any officer, other officials have clear limits, reasonable notice, consent, emergency circumstances for appropriate legal process, like these are still people's homes.

This is not again a residential program or people that are just temporarily hanging out for a bed to sleep in sober livings that are what I consider a pay house that aren't offering program as well.

So again, like there's a there's a lot into this, and I don't like I want to make sure that everybody's heard and everyone's rights and things are considered before we just run an ordinance through that like may prevent people like myself from having the resources they need to like continue on the recovery journey.

Um president reporting.

Um this is the part that there was some inconsistency with the language being used, which could also be confusing uh for both the operator um to provide so the provision states that um the ordinance appears to require the operator to provide information necessary for the city to determine whether a fee is open to residents stays less than 30 days, while also stating that the operator may comply by providing non-identifying resident information.

So these two concepts do not fit together very clearly in that section, and then that also targets a level of marked monitoring that's not imposed by your ordinary residents.

Um while uh being fully aware of like certain charges that exist amongst individuals who may be in these houses.

Um, there's very few um recovery housing that uh allow specific um people like people that have certain charges to be in those homes anyway because of the concern for their own plants or the people that are living within those homes and children that may be there.

Um protection of their own people within the house, like these owners typically don't allow certain vendors in, which is also like you can through any recovery house here, they should have a policy policy and procedures that would also outline that as well, like what they allow and what they don't allow them for home.

Um under that same section, the proposed short safety is also concerning recovery housing, it's not a hotel or a transit transient lodging model.

Individuals generally do not seek recovery housing for short-term lodging purposes.

A resident short stay may result from a relapse, hospitalization, family emergency, incarceration, or transfer to another level of care, inability to adjust to the resident or other recovery related circumstances.

Penalizing short stays, very special fee is inconsistent with the realities of recovery housing and risk treating recovery residents as transient lodging facilities rather than residential homes for people in recovery.

Um the open-ended authority to impose additional conditions, uh the ordinance of the board of zoning adjustment to impose any other conditions it considers relevant and necessary.

Um we also agreed that this should be removed or substantially revised the language of vague, open-ended and vulnerable to discriminatory application.

Um it gives a broad, it gives the board broad discretion to impose undefined conditions on recovery residents without clear standards and the Fair Housing Act Compact's discretionary zoning authority must be carefully limited to divorce to avoid decisions based on neighborhood pressure, stigma, or stereotypes about people in recovery.

Any conditions imposed on recovery residences should be objective, written narrowly tailored, directly tied to legitimate health and safety standards and apply consistently with comparable residential uses.

Um to keep our community safe, like to keep our kids safe, our neighbors safe.

Um we also need to acknowledge these individuals that struggle with substance use disorders still exist in our communities and try to help them create a better quality of life and allow them to continue to grow the recovery beyond just a treatment setting.

Um necessary.

Thank you for your comments.

We appreciate it very very much.

And we'll make we want to support the good places and keep them in operation.

But we don't want the bad places.

Yeah, I agree.

Uh uh until Mike came and talked to me about three weeks ago.

My only experience, only experience was one about a half a block from me that had 14 people in a three bedroom, one bath house that if the police was at two or three hours a week, and in three months' time until my neighbors and I literally bought the property to move them out.

Either my uh a garage or or my car was broken into 21 times in three months.

Wow, and they crawled underneath of my neighbor's house while he was helping take care of his elderly dad and took all the copper pipes out from under his house and didn't turn the walk water off.

That was my experience.

Now I want to support the good places, and I want the bad ones to never even consider we'll go to Westchester.

Yes, I agree.

And that through the state regs, like, and I don't know how this work between like local and state.

So in one of the new bills that had recently passed, Oxford House any faith-based organization sober living was excluded from having to follow the KR standards of transitional or sober living houses.

Um maybe even like more details about what that really looks like to implement like for this community to prevent like overflow or taking advantage of a vulnerable population.

And if for the as for the second fender things, there are probably not a whole lot of places in this community they could go if that was not in there.

Yeah, yeah, you know, because you can't be within a thousand yards, I think.

Is that right?

The feet of a school, a park, a daycare.

If you don't have that in there, you're going to extremely limit where they can go.

I heard yeah, yeah.

Any other comments?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Sorry about your experience.

And that has and I'll I'll be honest with you, and I told told Mike this sitting at my desk about three weeks ago.

This has tainted my view of these things forever.

And I've got a niece in rehab for the 14th time right now, and I know that every experience she's had in one of these things led to an immediate downfall.

Okay, Mr.

City Manager and Mr.

Dykeman, do you all have any recommendations at this point?

We do have first and a second on the floor.

Um, just here we know we've been, as you know, there we've been meeting with a lot of people involved in the recovery residence issues state and local for what since January over and over again.

Um after several other ordinances, primarily this ones.

Um I think it's a good ordinance, but I'll I'll be glad to look at all this and digest it.

Some of the things that were said that there's a limit on certification there is certified six months to be certified, like the state ordinance provide.

So uh but no, I think it's it's a big broad ordinance, there's no doubt about it.

We talked about that again in some way.

Um but you got to do something at least it's a good start.

If they're brief, please, because we've got the budget tonight, so I've got several notes, and she covered a lot of it.

I did anything if this was Richmond's ordinance.

I would I'll take Richard's ordinance and put it against this, and I'll show you the differences.

It's way different than Richmond's ordinance, and this is filled with uh a lot of fair housing violations in the sense of people with substance use disorders are protected class, we're protecting them in the American Disabilities Act, and you cannot shannon when you're talking about the things that you're against or whatever.

And you cannot, Shannon, when you're talking about the things that you're against whatever.

We don't make other rental residents do any of these things that are listed on page five.

I can't remember how much it we don't make them register with the police.

I mean, this is their home.

This is not a facility.

I mean, you cannot do requirements under an ordinance that you don't do to everybody else that's a rental residence.

They pay, they have a lease, they pay rent, they do everything else that everybody else who rents a residence does.

You can't enforce an ordinance that requires all these other things on top of them.

I would love um Hannah.

I sent you Richmond's research.

I mean, that was not bad at all.

There's similarities and differences.

There's a lot of differences.

So that would be good now and then.

Well compare Richmond's.

I think I uh Kitty did.

Will you withdraw?

Yes, I will.

I'll I'll withdraw my motion.

Uh and we'll move on to the next item.

Is that the pleasure of the commission?

I'm not against an ordinance.

Don't get involved.

Okay, I guess.

But actually, Judge Fraser is the one that did when he was city attorney, and it goes pretty much by the statute.

And there's a lot of things that drift from the statute.

Well, in this ordinance.

Like I said, my only experience with one to Mike talked to me three weeks ago was horrendous.

So in your situation, what in this ordinance would you have gone to to have got rid of?

First of all, uh they need to have somebody there in control.

What's in this ordinance that does that?

Well, I I think when you when you say it's saying that it is operated by somebody, and not a guy who has 40 of these and lives in lives at Fort Midchell, like this guy did, and had Helmandy's wife of the staff.

But what in this ordinance would have prevented that?

I think there needs to be a person who is in charge that that you know it if well then do something in the ordinance that would be enforceable.

I just there's a lot of issues with this.

So that I and the board of adjustments just meets once a month, so yeah, are they even going to be able to handle it if you guys pass it the way it is written?

There's a lot of things in here that they have to adhere to.

We sure don't make any rental residents down here change their their uh what they had to be, their mattresses had to be in plastic and they had to be changed.

What we don't require any other rental place to do any of these things, and you can't do that.

You are discriminating against them because of the class that they are, but and you can't do that.

But when you have a situation where you have people come and stay for three or four months or six months, and then another person coming in that's going to be there and do the right thing for everything.

I wouldn't want to sleep on.

Okay.

I don't disagree with any of that.

We don't have a rental residence ordinance that requires everybody who rents a residence or a landlord to do these types of things.

Uh but that's also like single family home.

It's no difference.

Okay, guys, I'm gonna wrap this up, okay.

Um it appears that we're gonna take no action on this tonight.

This was our second attempt at a recovery housing ordinance.

Um I'm disappointed that we don't have an ordinance uh that really bothers me.

Um, because we got a lot coming at us with with the recovery issues.

We want to do the right thing.

We want to be the right thing to the community.

Um Mr.

Dykeman, I guess you can take a look at everything again and see where we can tweak and cover the mattresses is from if the Richmond went out again.

Mike wants to go.

Mike wants to speak to sure.

I might own our better days over there.

We do need an ordinance.

This thing is out of control, but I do think I agree with the two ladies.

There is some stuff in here.

That's our board that makes the hardship on all those and as far as having a background check.

I don't have a problem with that, but it's not my job.

You got a court system that shouldn't be doing the background check.

Don't send me somebody that's got a warrant when you order them to come to me and a solar living house.

So I mean, I'm all part of organs.

And it needs a whole lot of changes.

Thank you for your time.

Well, Mike, do you agree with the sex offender part?

We haven't had acceptable.

Mr.

Dykman, do you feel like you have enough information from listening tonight to go back and tweak it, take another look at it, or what are you comfortable doing?

Sure.

Um rewards.

I mean, numerous times.

Some of that came from so you gotta get it on front end.

Not everybody does their own due diligence.

Right, but I'm saying the court says the ones that we take here, the court orders understand that, but but a lot of people, what we're finding is a lot of people are coming here from out of state.

We take that one from out of state.

Well, that's you, sir.

Um I'm talking about city right.

We our problem is we're getting a lot of people from out of state.

The operators are getting Medicaid money.

We did not draw Medicaid 95.

I know.

You're probably you're probably the exception, Mike.

Yeah, pardon me.

You're probably the exception.

Now, legally, you cannot draw Medicaid money.

We know that I only have the faith-based houses here that are the problem.

That's it.

Okay, let's uh let Mr.

Dykman take another swipe at it, and then do you want to put it on the next agenda or the first meeting in July?

Yeah, first meeting in July.

Okay.

All right, we are down to number four C will be our city budget for the upcoming year.

Um turn this over to Alicia, I guess you're gonna do it.

Mike after she reads it.

Are you gonna take the question?

So if anybody has an idea what we've been working on for the last few weeks, it's right here.

So an ordinance adopting the city of Winchester, Kentucky annual budget for the fiscal year July 1st, 2026 through June 30th, 2027 by estimating revenues and resources and appropriating funds for the operation of city government.

Summary.

This is an ordinance adopting the city of Winchester annual budget for the fiscal year beginning July 1st, 2026 and ending June 30th, 2027.

The budget contains the following estimated revenues and appropriations.

Balance forward, general fund one million dollars, capital equipment fund 740,000, maps fund 50,533, room tax fund two, other funds two million two hundred and seventy-nine thousand nine hundred and eighty-six estimated revenues, general fund 28,688,000.

Capital equipment fund 1,674,804.

Maps fund 242,500, room tax fund 2025, other funds 215,500.

Transfers in and out, zero across the board.

Total resources available, 29,688,000 in the general fund, capital equipment fund 2,414,804, maps fund 293,033, room tax fund 202,502, other funds 2,495,486.

Estimated appropriations, general fund 29,517,890, capital equipment fund 2,414,804.

Maps fund 744,000, room tax fund 202,500, other funds 124,200.

Excess of resources over appropriations in the general fund 170,110.

Capital Equipment Fund Zero.

MAPS Fund negative 450,967.

Room tax fund two, other funds 2,371,286.

Estimated fund balance into fiscal year.

MAPS fund negative 450,967.

Ring tax fund two.

Other funds 2,371,286.

A complete copy of this ordinance is available for inspection in the office of the city of Winchester City Clerk.

I hereby certify that the foregoing is an accurate summary of the contents of the above entitled ordinance.

William A.

Dytman Attorney at law.

Is there a motion to accept the budget?

So move.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Chenal.

Any further discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by a like sign?

Motion carries.

Uh item we're going to item five.

Orders general A through G.

Uh, Madam Clerk 5A, please.

And this refers back to what the major presented to us just a few minutes ago.

An order approving a memorandum of agreement by and between the city of Winchester, Kentucky, and the Bluegrass Community and Technical College for EMT AMT instruction of the College EMS technology program.

And I would like to make that motion.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Strode.

Any further discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries item 5B.

An order awarding a bid for demolition of buildings on Lincoln Street in the Lincoln Street C D BG redevelopment project, phase two to H and B construction LLC.

Is there a motion?

So motion did I need to leave, Chris?

No.

Chris said no.

Okay.

Okay.

I'll make the motion.

All right.

Motion by Commissioner Cox, second by Commissioner Chenal.

Any further discussion?

Chris, did you want to share something with us before we take the final vote?

Update on the project.

We've required 10 properties.

We produced the acquisition.

We didn't get the eat on the last property until May 26th.

So that's where we couldn't proceed with our demolition work.

There's eight um structures to be demolished.

So this contract is for that.

We were able to do the asbestos survey on the last house that was acquired on the 26th on the 27th.

I'm still waiting for those results as soon as we get that asbestos report.

Then we have to do a 10-day uh notice of division of air quality, including all the asbestos reports for all the houses to be demolished when we can start uh the actual demolition work.

So it would be a couple weeks yet before we can start.

I was hoping to have that especially report by the day, but I still don't have it quite yet.

When will the demolition start?

Umce we get the asbestos report, we can file those reports with the state is 10 working days after that.

So I'm gonna say later, sometime later in June.

Okay, great.

At least a couple of weeks, yeah, because we still have you know it's 10 working days or we have our first family for Lincoln Street, and I think Brian said they're gonna build build that house on the existing lot that have been had owned already.

Right, and it's so there.

The other thing that has to be done, we still have uh as far as uh relocation three members.

We're doing relocation payments on, and then we'll need to deal the lots to have a tap and when we do that, you'll need to be recused on that.

We've ordered the order yet, like I said, we didn't have all lots till the 26th, but we do have uh set that on the surveyor.

We do have a plan to planning and zoning consolidation plan for approval, so sometime in the next couple of sessions, you'll get an order approving sewing the lots to have a tap, but we won't actually do those D that D probably do one D, but we probably we won't do that until the demolition work is complete.

You just keep guiding us, okay.

Okay, all right.

So we're getting there, and then we've got a week for habitat to build the houses.

We'll be willing.

Like I said, we hope to build that first house on the lot that habitat already owned over there.

Well, but but there's there's probably the city owns it's gonna be consolidated with that lot right before you start construction.

So okay, so we have a motion on the floor uh to award the bid for demolition.

Is there uh we've a motion?

We've got a motion, all in favor.

Yeah, any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Any other questions on the project?

Well, I'd just like to say one thing, and maybe I shouldn't.

But Ryan called me that this is your last one you're doing.

Yeah, I'm not doing that.

I tried to retire too, and it lasted three months.

I tried to retire too, and it lasted three months.

I'm always doing this state doing this kind of work to do this project and get completed for you guys.

Thank you, thank you, Chris.

Thank you.

Sorry you had to wait so long, but thank you.

Okay, item five C and order amending order number 2025-218, an order approving a bid proposal from the Allen Company for the Main Street Street Scape project in the amount of three million four hundred and eighty-nine thousand six hundred and eighteen dollars and forty-six cents.

Change order number two and final amendment.

Okay, is there a motion?

So move motion by commissioner tool.

Is there a second?

Second, second by commissioner strode.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Item five D.

An order accept accepting and approving an agreement between the city of Winchester, Kentucky, and the Bluegrass Community Foundation for a Clark County Community Endowment Grant and accepting and approving an agreement between the City of Winchester and the Sports Facilities Advisory LLC.

I'm uh super excited by this, the feasibility study, uh taking a good hard look at the possibility of having a large sports complex in this community.

Um we'll see what the feasibility study says, but stay tuned because some great things could come out of this.

So is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Chenault.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Tool.

Any discussion?

Strode.

I do want to say that this is the same group that did the fantastic facility in Lisbontown.

Is that correct?

Anything else you'd like to add, our grant writers that you've got us moving this direction?

I did not necessarily swear the R Community Foundation is splitting the cost of this feasibility study with which is crazy.

So we've had a lot of interest from different sports groups.

Um that's all teams been amazing this year, but always looking for quality projects and email projects.

There's so much for this um facilitator for the usability study or those what kind of sports this region had an appetite for how much land that we would need for those kind of field um indoor, outdoor, and all of that, and also give us like a five-year economic projection, what I could do for our community.

So that's great.

In our uh city magazine this week, there was an article from uh um shepherdsfield, and they are investing 30 million dollars in an aquatic park, putting in all kinds of fields and things.

I mean, this could be a game changer for this community, but we couldn't afford to do the feasibility study on our own, and bluegrass is stepped up to the plate, and and we're thankful.

So, where were we?

Got a motion, yeah.

You all great.

Okay, so I'm just excited about this.

So okay.

E okay, E.

An order reappointing Taylor Kincaid to the Winchester Clark County Recreational Tourist and Convention Commission for a three-year term hotel motel slot first term.

And this is a uh joint uh appointment between the fiscal court and the city.

And uh is there a motion?

Well, yeah, I mean no, this will be her second term.

No, it's her first full term.

I'll re-appointing.

She's reappointed.

Yeah, it's yeah, first she's filled somebody's term.

She filled somebody I've been on there with the colour.

All right, do we have a motion on the floor?

Not yet.

Motion right here.

Thank you, Commissioner Tool.

Is there a second?

I second Commissioner Strode.

Any further discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries item five F.

An order appointing Amanda Adams to the Winchester Clark County Recreational Tourist and Convention Commission for three-year term, chamber of commerce slot, first term.

I'll make that motion.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second, Commissioner Cox.

Any discussion?

I do want to say that Ms.

Adams is with us this tonight.

Just kind of wave your hand so they know.

Uh, who is very excited about going on the tourism board, and uh, and we're glad to have you in God speed.

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

You'll be afraid addition, Amanda.

5G.

An order authorizing the purchase of deicene salt for fiscal year 2027.

Brian, do we have to talk about SALT in June?

Okay.

All in favor.

Oh, is there a motion?

I'll motion.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Schnault.

Any further discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Now we're going to move to item six.

Personnel orders, and they are A through Q.

So hold on.

Uh I looked at that earlier today.

There's 17 orders over here under personnel.

Four those are employing people, four or reclassifying, four or promoting.

Three are retiring and one's resigning.

So we got to just hang on and try to get through these.

So Ms.

Clerk, uh 6A.

An order accepting the resignation of Ronan Al Caludi patient transfer.

Is there a motion?

So move.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Cox.

Any further discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by a like sign?

Motion carries six B.

An order reclassifying Julia DeBour from full-time single role paramedic to part-time single row paramedic.

Is there a motion?

So move.

Motion by Commissioner Chenault.

Is there a second?

Second.

Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries six C an order reclassifying Christina Coulter from part-time single role paramedic to full-time single role paramedic.

Is there a motion?

So move.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Strode.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by a like sign?

Motion carries.

6D.

An order employing Denzel Dwayne Rader to fill the position of the tax and license clerk.

Is there a motion?

Sir moved.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Shenault.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by a like sign?

Motion carries.

Item six E.

An order reclassifying Jonathan Estes from mechanic two to operator two.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, I any opposed by like sign.

Motion carries.

6 F.

An order promoting Jesse Jarman from operator 3 to crew leader.

Is there a motion?

So move.

Motion by Commissioner Shenault.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Strode.

Any discussion?

All in favor aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries six G.

An order promoting Nestle Perkins from operator three to crew leader.

Is there a motion?

I'll move.

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Cox.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Item 6H.

An order employing Alicia Hampton Allen to fill the position of the tax and license clerk.

Is there a motion?

Motion.

Motion by Commissioner Shenault.

Second by Commissioner Cox.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

6 aye.

An order employing Michael Barton to fill the position of part-time building inspector.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Item J.

An order employing Tanner Sidhart to fill the position of communications officer one.

Is there a motion?

So move.

Motion by Commissioner Shenault.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carry six K.

An order promoting Brian Wells from operator one to operator two.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Tool.

Second by Commissioner Strode.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carry six L.

An order accepting the retirement of Robert Liggett Foreman.

Is there a motion?

I'm going to make this with regret.

And Brian knows exactly what I'm talking about.

I don't how many years has Robert been with us, Brian?

Yeah.

He has been with every pioneer festival that I could possibly think of.

And I will miss him so much.

He's a great guy.

So okay.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

6 M.

An order accepting the retirement of Thomas White maintenance.

Is there a motion?

So move.

Motion by Commissioner Chenault.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Item 6N.

An order accepting the retirement of Ricky Johnson.

Operator 3.

Is there a motion?

I'll move.

Motion by Commissioner Cox.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Chenault.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by a like sign?

Motion carries.

6-0.

And order promoting Virgil Estes from mechanic three to shop foreman.

Is there a motion?

So move.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Strode.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by a like sign?

Motion carry six P.

You Q's next.

Okay.

An order granting educational certification incentive salary increases to certain personnel.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Schnault, second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Item 6Q.

An order reclassifying Jesse McCoy from engineering technician to engineering technician one.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Shenault.

Any discussion?

Amen.

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

And now I think we are is there that was it for the public comment.

Oh we have a Diane Reese signed up.

I didn't done.

Okay.

Any anybody else on the list?

No.

Okay.

Then we are about to conclude.

I do want to take the opportunity to say uh happy birthday Saturday to Commissioner Toole.

Thanks.

Um be a couple years younger than me, but other than that, um is there a motion to adjourn?

Before we end, I need to get to make anything to make comments at 4 30 because I was in a truck drive driving back from George.

Uh Work camp is first full week in July.

I will have people here for camp set up.

Uh probably starting on Monday, the 29th of June.

Uh have full staff in here uh on the third.

We'll be going hopefully watch the fireworks, and then uh all the kids will arrive on on the fifth, and opening ceremony will be at eight o'clock on at Monday July the 6th.

We have 53 projects laid out.

I had one cancel of me today because she is moving, but uh we're we're uh we're ready to rock and roll.

And uh we do a program out there every morning at eight o'clock and every evening at 7 30.

I talk talk to Coach Minge late last night, and he's gonna come speak to the kids on Wednesday night and let's uh let's hope it goes as well as it happened to have okay good luck with that again.

It's always uh great addition, and a lot of people's lives are changed because of that word camp.

So is there a motion to adjourn?

Joe one oh joke, yes.

I was asked uh mayor and uh commissioners district court across the street, preferred space, the very first one to make that a handicap parking space city manager and Brian take a look at it and make a recommendation so you went we have one on the end, they want one on the front set of the end, they weren't down until it's uh in that you come all the way down the last one on the right on the right side by the sidewalk there on the place up or in addition to one three one over there.

I don't think there's any there's not any on that side of the street down through there that was on sheriffs before.

So we'll look at it.

It shouldn't be take a look at it now.

Can we call for a motion to adjourn?

Motion by Commissioner Cox, second by commissioner Chenault.

Everyone have a good rest of your evening and thanks for everything.

We are concluding not the other side.

This meeting has been like a circus.