City Council and ask the city clerk to call the roll, please.

Councilmember joyner present.

Councilmember Clark.

Here.

Councilmember Andrew Bowen.

Here.

Councilmember Scipio?

Present.

Mayor Per Tim Adams.

Here.

Councilmember Taylor.

Present.

Councilmember Hall, present.

And Councilmember Burke here.

Thank you very much.

Would you please join the City Council and meeting a moment of silence?

Thank you so much.

Would you please join the city council and meet in the Pledge of Allegiance?

Pledge allegiance through the flag of the United States of America.

To the Republic for standards one nation.

Indivisible Liberty and Justice.

Thank you.

We recognize our Sergeant at Arms tonight, Lieutenant Vernon Q.

Thank you, Lieutenant, for being with us tonight.

And our fire marshal tonight is Bradley Watson.

Fire Marshal was here keeping us safe.

We uh do uh have uh the uh city manager's update now and I'll turn the meeting over to uh Mr.

Payton.

Uh thank you, Your Honor.

Uh a couple of uh a couple of different things tonight, but first I'm gonna call on um uh Forsyth County Deputy County Manager uh Denise Price, who's here today to share us a little bit of information because there's a lot of publicity on the federal shutdown and how that's impacting uh food services in our area, including those folks that are getting SNAP benefits, and so she's has been providing information to the to the county as a whole, but we uh agree to come and provide it to you as well and to your audience.

Welcome, Ms.

Price.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you so much.

Good evening, Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, Council.

It's my pleasure to be here to give you some updates.

I preface each of these updates with this as true as of I know it at this very moment.

The chances that something will change while we're speaking is very likely.

So I'm gonna give you some places that you can go to get updated information in pretty much real time as well before we close.

So there's two potential um impacts that I want to focus on tonight.

Both are USDA funded programs.

One is the supplemental nutrition assistance program, commonly referred to as food stamps, and the other is the women, infants, and children's program, commonly referred to as WIC.

So both of these programs provide food and nutrition, and Forsyth County, there's about 57,000 individuals enrolled in SNAP benefits.

This is valued of nutrition that goes into our community of about 10.3 million dollars a month.

So it is a lot of people who rely on this program for food.

Benefits are issued on a rolling basis, which means that some people got their benefits toward the beginning of October, some people got it toward the end of October.

November benefits have not been loaded at this point.

Um the USDA notified us last week that there was not sufficient funds for November benefits and not to send in our enrollments to get those benefits added to the EBT cards or the transfer cards.

Over the weekend late last week, we had two federal judges who um ordered the administration to release contingency funding for SNAP.

I will tell you that this is one of the areas we have an update, so I'm going to look down as opposed to reading from my slides.

We are still awaiting input as to how to proceed.

So that's the most important thing to hear.

News outlets, which we know we have two VAT, but they are reporting that there will be reduced benefits for those enrolled, and that's those that were enrolled before November.

USAD contingency funds, there's about five billion dollars of those nationally.

It costs the program about eight billion dollars to operate.

So the math doesn't exactly math.

We suspect that there is going to be a reduced benefit.

We've also been hearing that November individuals that were approved in November will not get benefits in November.

All to be determined, and we will post as soon as we have an official word on how this is going to roll out.

So even if benefits are paused or end, we encourage people to continue with that process so that when funding is restored, there is no lapse in them getting their benefits.

WIC is also USDA funded.

It is a grant funded program with SNAP as an entitlement program.

So a little bit of difference there.

We've not yet received FY26 fines, but we have been getting like every two weeks approval that funding has been received, and we're going to continue to provide those services here in North Carolina.

As of the end of August, we're serving over 10,000 individuals in the WIC program.

About 1900 of those are infants.

And that infuses about $9 million into our community each year.

Local health departments were informed that benefits would continue from November the 1st to November the 15th.

And again, hot off the presses.

We have just been informed that benefits will continue through November the 30th.

As our WIC director says, we'll take this two weeks at a time if that's how we have to take it.

Funding for WIC is once it ends, we cannot do anything, so we will not continue to receive applications and such.

Medicaid, we are told there is federal funding to support that through the end of the first quarter, which would end in December, and also to continue the federal marketplace activities.

Temporary assistance for needed families or TANF that also is funded through was funded in October and is funded through November.

We're monitoring closely for what happens beyond that.

So some action items.

We are meeting with all of our food and nutrition partners on a weekly basis to prepare to be as ready as we can to get people directed to resources in the community, and that includes some of your staff that's there as well.

We've also at the county launched a webpage that is dedicated to updates.

It's a great place for you to get information as well.

And I'm happy to send to you that link, or you can simply search Forsyth County, shut down updates, and it'll pop up for you.

Partners are preparing for potential impacts.

For example, Second Harvest Food Bank has purchased us another half a million dollars worth of food to have on hand.

A media conference was held last Wednesday.

We continue to engage our media partners as well, giving them factual information to share.

Several activities are occurring around WIC formulas.

I mentioned that there's 1900 infants.

Some of those receive specialty prescription formulas.

So you'll see that we've we have got the most amazing group of providers and supports in our community.

When there's a crisis and there's an emergency, they come to the table and they are.

So we are very positive that we're going to be able to continue to connect people to those formula resources.

Many of our local local food pantries and meals definitely would like to have more food and donations.

So if you encounter folks who want to help, please know that that most are accepting donations.

I do hear frequently that people prefer cash, and that's for for several reasons.

One is many of our food banks have smaller footprints and they don't have large spaces to store food.

It also allows them to take their dollars and combine them so they can buy in bulk and actually get a lower purchasing price.

And then it also asked them to focus on what's most needed by the community.

They also need volunteers.

So what I encourage people to do is to call.

Again, check out our website.

There's a place where you can go to four links.

Those four links have very exhaustive resources and contact information.

We again encourage people to call before going.

Things may change rapidly, and we don't want people making unnecessary trips.

We update there as well.

That's probably more real time than our website, but they're very close.

If receiving a benefit that has not ended, again, comply with your recertifications because we don't want there to be a lapse.

Respond to recertification requests very timely.

And if interested in receiving benefits and not currently, apply.

Again, we want to get you in queue so that if funding is restored, that we can continue.

I threw out a whole lot of information there fast.

Pat, I hope I made you proud.

I heard five minutes, but I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

Any questions?

Thank you.

It's uh certainly a difficult time for all of our citizens here.

So thank you for the county's doing to try to make it as easy as possible.

You'll have a great night.

Thank you, Scott.

We thank Denise for coming over.

She has her own meetings to attend, and so this is just an extra added uh meeting for tonight.

Uh I also will mention that on our website, we also have a food resource section on where to access food or meals during the shutdown.

So uh the county site has it part of that probably refers you to the county site, but we do if somebody ends up on the city site, there is a resource there page that helps you get those resources as well.

A couple of other um items.

One is a leaf collection began today.

The sanitation department will run three cycles of collections between now and January.

Uh residents may go to our uh website at uh Leaf Routes or call City Link to get updated information on where the leaks trucks are currently serving so you can find out how close they are to to your neighborhood.

It also provides uh information on the actual leaf collection service trucks.

Another component of this residents are encouraged to consider participating in the Office of Sustainability's Leave the Leaves program.

So instead of raking leaves to the curb, residents can take a pledge to rake their leaves to a section of the yard to let them break down naturally.

By doing so, this creates much needed habitats for insects such as fireflies to germinate their eggs.

Residents can learn more and fill out the pledge on the city's website or by calling CityLink 311 as well.

As uh as we reported a couple of times, the two-way conversion of Liberty and Main Street is continuing.

Unfortunately, there was a lot of rain, fortunately or unfortunately last week.

So the weather delayed the timing of the full opening.

Currently, the southernmost selection of the project academy to cemetery streets and the northernmost section, 6th Street to Martin Luther King Junior Drive, are open to two-lane, two-way traffic.

And then while we're currently working on the fire compensation and benefits study and our field workers CDL uh drivers, our human resources department is also in the process of selecting a vendor to conduct the market compensation and benefits study, what we're calling our three-year study.

This is a study that will be done in three phases over the next three years so that all city employees will be reviewed in terms of their uh pay and benefits and their classifications uh during this time frame.

Um a couple of events on November 4th from 530 to 7.30.

The MWBE division of the economic development department is offering a mixer event for MWE businesses to help showcase their services and products and for them to learn about opportunities to provide their services and products to city departments, county departments, local contractors, and local consultants.

Residents uh can learn more on our website or again by calling CityLink.

The event will be held at the Benton Convention Center.

Again, that is uh coming up on the 4th from 5:30 to 7:30.

The Winston Salem Police Department will be at the Starbucks on Robin Hood Road on Thursday, November 6th from 8 a.m.

to noon.

So you can stop by and speak to some of our uh dedicated officers there and uh have coffee with a cop.

Another opportunity to meet with city staff and have a cup of coffee will be on Thursday, November 13th from 10 to 2 at the Carl Russell Community Center located on Carver School Road.

The human relations uh department is hosting the event intended for residents to learn more about our city departments and programs.

County and community partners will also be on site.

And then just as a reminder, because we before our next meeting, the city offices will be closed on Veterans Day, November 11th, and following that on Thanksgiving holiday, November 27th and 28th.

Solid waste collections will be affected, so we encourage folks to download the Winston Salem Collects app to keep track of the changes.

And again, they can go to our website or by calling CityLink 311 if they've got questions.

And then just a couple of uh quick recognitions.

Uh Keith Finch, our director of vegetation management, won the annual Glenda Keels Award at the Winston-Salem Partnership Annual Meeting in October.

The award goes to uh City Employee in recognition of their dedication, commitment, and service to downtown Winston Salem.

Also, congratulations to Kelly Garvin from DOT, who manages our transit system among our other duties, and Andy Swatts from Keep Winston Salem Beautiful for being two of the greater Winston Salem Inc.

Winston under 40 leadership award winners.

And with that, Mayor I'll say to the case.

Any questions for Mr.

Pate?

Thank you.

Covered it well, Mr.

Pate.

We do have an honorarium.

May you have H1, please.

Item H1 resolution honoring the 2025 City of Winston Salem University graduates, whereas 19 city residents successfully completed the City of Winston Salem University.

Shirley Abdullah, Kalina Wontu, Russell De Boy, Lynn Felder, Janet Frazier, Cindilla Gonzalez, Keisha Horton, Anna Howard Craven, Jonathan Capell, Joanna Kelly, Titus Lee, Veronica Smith, Richard Sebastian, Alexandria Shaw, Dr.

Marcia Smith, Shannon Stokes, LaQuish Lakesha Varne, Carrie Wiggins, and Ashley Wilcox.

And whereas the course is intended to provide residents with a deeper understanding of the inner workings of city government.

And whereas the course has included over 30 hours, covering 20 city departments and divisions, completing a ride along with the Winston Salem Police Department or the Winston Salem Fire Department, attending a city council or committee meeting, and completing one of the following shadowing a City Link agent, a historic downtown walking tour, a tour of the Archie Ellege wastewater treatment plant, a recycling tour of the materials recovery facility, or a bus tour of bond projects and completing a budget project.

And whereas their dedication has resulted in a better understanding and appreciation of city government and has given them the resources to serve their community better.

Now, therefore, be it resolved that the mayor and the Winston Salem City Council hereby approve honoring the 2025 City of Winston Salem University graduates and wish them much success with their future as community leaders.

Is there a motion?

So move second.

Motion second.

All in favor of the motion, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

One opposed, there's not any.

Yes, unanimous.

Thank you.

Mr.

John Capell is going to bring uh comments on behalf of the class.

John.

I was told I only had 30 minutes.

29.

Mayor joins Mayor Pro's Town Adams, members of City Council.

Uh, first and foremost, thank you for this amazing opportunity.

Um, out of over 70 submissions, this meager group was selected, of which we have gladly participated, and we had an honorary joiner.

Um, that would be Councilmember Scipio.

So thank you for joining us.

It's always a pleasure to sit beside her and hear all the comments she makes, but she says, I'm not gonna say anything.

So throughout the 12-week course, we were very highly engaged, learning about what the city is and does.

We learned what starts a fire and who stops the fires.

We learned about crime in the city and who protects us from that crime.

We learn what happens when things go left with emergency management, and then we learn how to get back on our feet, and we learn how we benefit from clean drinking water every single day.

We learned that how what we plan gets built, and then we had to learn how to drive around it.

We saw um wastewater treatment plants, we learned how we reduce, reuse, and recycle.

We learned about bond tours with the lyrical stylings of Benro.

Give the man a mic and he has fun.

We got to ride along with police department.

We got to ride along with the fire department.

We got to shadow the amazingly talented and dedicated individuals that staff the City Link departments.

Those folks need a raise.

Um I'm gonna give a shameless plug because I have the mic, and I'm gonna tell you that the three best programs that are sponsored by the City of Winston Salem that are completely free but worth every bit of the of the city budget is the Citizens Fire Department Academy, the Citizens Police Academy, and the City of Winston Salem University, and to my fellow citizens, if you have not engaged in those, I encourage you to do so.

All of us are gonna take what we learned, and we're gonna make the city a better place.

We want to say thank you specifically to Katie Gore, Susan Spainauer, and Deb Clark.

They had the distinct pleasure of spending every Thursday with us for three whole hours.

There were countless others that lended assistance to make this happen.

And for that, we thank you, and we look forward to being future leaders ourselves in our own setting.

So again, thank you for this wonderful opportunity.

Thank you, John.

I met with the group earlier and uh thanked them on behalf of the city and the city council for their participation and the hard work they've done this and challenge them then to take the word back out to the community.

Thank you again.

Congratulations.

This meeting is being televised tonight on the city's YouTube page as well as TV 13.

And it will be replayed tomorrow at 9 a.m.

and again Wednesday night at 9 p.m.

And as you know, copies of our agenda as well as videos of previous meetings are always available online at the city's website, and just click on the watch meetings online option.

Of course, our agenda tonight is comprised of two parts the consent agenda and the general agenda.

It's always the practice of this council to take the consent agenda first.

Items on this agenda have been unanimously recommended by a committee on the city council or are being submitted in accordance with established city procedure.

There will be no discussion of the items on this agenda unless the council members so request, in which event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered individually.

Items not removed will be enacted with one motion.

Council members, are there any items you wish to pull tonight?

Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.

I move for approval of the consent agenda.

Second.

Second by Councilmember Hall.

All those in favor of the motion, please say aye.

Aye.

Anyone opposed, no.

And the consent agenda is approved.

We'll now move to the general agenda, which uh concludes a public hearing for a petition to close and abandon the alleyway.

There is a resolution for the National League of Cities Conference, as well as seven resolutions for affordable housing development, cycle two.

When this public hearing is called, anyone in Council Chairman who wishes to speak on this item will be given an opportunity.

If no one wishes to speak, I'll close the public hearing and the city council will consider the item.

May we have item C1, please.

Item G1, public hearing in consideration of a petition to close and abandon a portion of a 10-foot alleyway off Polo Road, located in the North Ward.

Thank you.

This is a public hearing.

Is there anyone in Council Chairman who wishes to be heard on this uh item?

Seeing no one I declare the public hearing closed.

This did come for our public uh works committee, and I recognize the chairman, uh Councilmember Burke.

Thank you, Mayor.

I move for approval of agenda item G1.

Second.

Second by uh Councilmember Andre Bowen.

Any discussion?

We're going to try to vote electronically.

So all those in favor, please vote yes.

Anyone opposed, vote no.

And that's unanimous.

Thank you all.

Uh item G2, please.

Item G2, adoption of a resolution regarding the National League of Cities 2025 annual conference.

This is a motion that will appoint uh Councilmember Scipio as our official vote maker at the conference.

And uh Councilmember Hall, I believe, is attending this uh meeting as well.

Is there a motion to approve this resolution?

I move for approval of agenda item G2.

Second.

Second by Councilmember Taylor.

Any discussion?

All those in favor of the motion, please say aye.

I mean, please vote yes.

Anyone opposed, vote no.

And that is unanimous.

Thank you all.

Good luck, Councilmember Scipio.

I know you will vote very appropriately.

Item G three.

Item G3 resolution authorizing the conditional conveyance of one city-owned lot for the development of 42 units of single-family affordable rental housing.

We have been informed by the developer of the Vicino Group that they wish to withdraw their proposal for this housing development.

So we will certainly allow that to happen, and we hope they will consider future projects in our city.

Item G4, please.

Item G4, resolution authorizing the conditional sale of one city-owned lot for the development of 84 units of affordable rental housing to the Affordable Housing Management Inc.

located in the Southeast Ward.

I recognize the uh Chairman of our Housing Journal Government General Government Committee, Mayor Proteum Adams.

I move for approval of agenda item G4.

Is there a second?

Motion fails for lack of a second.

I would recognize Councilmember Taylor for uh motion.

Thank you, Mayor.

Members of the Council.

I would move to deny item G4 and bring the Prosperity Alliance project back for reconsideration at the November 17th City Council meeting.

Second.

Motion and second.

Any discussion?

No.

Mr.

McClellan, you want to comment on that?

Um, Councilmember Taylor's motion.

I am here just to answer any questions you all may have about the projects.

How many units in that uh 46.

46.

No, no, I suppose it's not that.

All right.

The motion is to deny uh the uh item is as on the agenda and to bring the I guess the second place the finisher and that back to our meeting on the 17th.

Yes, sir.

Comment.

Yes, sir.

Go ahead.

I just want to say to the developer, thank you for bringing your project, your time and your effort to the city.

Um it didn't quite work out on this particular parcel of land, but there are other parcels in the Southeast Ward that I'm willing to work with you on.

So I don't want you to think that we don't want your business here.

We don't appreciate your effort because we do affordable housing is something that we do need to have in our community, and I'm willing to work with you on another parcel on that.

So I apologize for where we are today, but the neighbors have spoken.

They were loud and clear.

We want to show them the respect that they deserve in their community, but I'm willing to work with you going forward.

Thank you, Councilmore.

All those in favor of the motion, please indicate by voting yes.

Anyone opposed, vote no.

This is the substitute motion.

Sorry.

Wait a minute.

Yeah.

The wording is inappropriate, but we're voting on the substitute.

Voting on the substitute.

Yeah.

Well, the motion is to deny G4 and then bring back an item for reconsideration on the 17th.

And that's unanimous.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councilmember Taylor.

Item G five.

Item G five resolution authorizing the sale of eight city owned lots for the development of eight single family affordable homes by Prosperity Alliance.

Recognize Mayor Protium Adams.

I move for approval of agenda item G five.

Sir Second.

Second.

Second by Councilmember Scipio and Councilmember Jorner.

Any discussion?

If not, all those in favor, please indicate by voting yes.

Anyone opposed, vote no.

Thank you.

That is unanimous.

Item G six.

Item G6 resolution authorizing the sale of one city owned lot for the development of 33 single family affordable townhomes to Prosperity Alliance in the Southeast Ward.

Recognize Mayor Pro Tim Adams.

I move for approval of agenda item G6.

Second.

Second by Councilmember Taylor.

Any discussion?

Not all those in favor of the motion, please indicate by voting yes.

Anyone opposed, vote no.

That's unanimous.

Thank you.

Item G7.

Item G7 resolution authorizing the sale of 12 city owned lots and 525,000 in gap financing for the development of 15 single family affordable homes to the Moravian Church in America, Southern Prov province.

Recognize Mayor Pro Tim Adams.

I move for approval of agenda item G7.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by uh Councilmember Andre Bowen.

Let me recognize Councilmember Hall, who I believe we should make a comment on this item.

I do thank you, Mayor Joins.

Um this particular item has uh several lots that are in it.

Um while I'm oh you know ultimately um in favor of most of them.

I did get to hear back from some residents about some of the concerns that they have for um the lots that are on West 17th Street on North Cherry Street and also on Pittsburgh Avenue.

And the concern pretty much was that they had not heard from the developer, particularly about how the architectural design would be fit into the neighborhood and that it would be different than the um fit and look of the community currently.

And then also there was a piece that I think is just ultimately overarching, which goes to talk about what that kind of feedback loop looks like in residents being able and just community in general and being able to actually voice those concerns before it actually gets to us as a governing body before even committee and definitely even before um us voting, particularly at a city council meeting.

And so that is something that in the future I would like for us to try to tweak and work out.

Understanding obviously that can't be worked out tonight, but because of that, I will be voting no on this, but otherwise generally supportive of what is trying to be done.

But because I did hear that, I will be voting no on this particular item.

Thank you, Council uh Mayor Petim.

Yes, uh the ward is the Knoph ward.

And uh I just want everyone to know that we mentioned last month at General Government Committee meeting that the staff will reactivate if it's not already activated the affordable housing coalition committee, so that citizens will be able to voice their concerns, much like the planning board and the zoning board before it gets the general government and council meeting.

I'd also like to say that, as we've seen already in the past week or so, this housing plan process again is being we're learning to fly the plane while we're flying it.

What's the Salem has never had a housing plan?

And I don't care who tell you that they did.

I I know.

In order for us to do this again, uh Chantel knows, Ms.

McClain, and uh assistant city manager, Angel Wright Lanier, but we will be tweaking and bringing things back to general government before the next round, such as the scoring process.

I've gotten some comments of emails about it, that we need to look at it.

The council needs to look at it.

So you're gonna have to it re educate and re-educate us on the scoring process and the concerns that have been raised.

And but we'll also look at what the Affordable Housing Coalition, what is it doing presently, and if it's not, then they need some training instructions as to what this needs to look like because we're gonna depend on them.

And also that uh whatever projects are coming down the pipeline, because I know you guys just didn't look at these a month ago or two months ago, and if it is, this has got to be further along, Miss McLean, as you know, we've discussed that now it's got to be put out into the atmosphere.

So communities see that it's coming.

Maybe it's 20 developers projects.

I'd rather we put the projects and developers out there, and then by the time there's a we need a timeline, adjust our timeline again.

We're tweaking that when it gets to affordable housing coalition, that they now uh will already know what those 20 projects are, and that the citizens had enough time to weigh in and have their vote voices heard for their community.

Uh I know this is again, but we knew this going into this that we will probably tweak this plan at least for another year or two, and it'll be changing as the world changes to capital stacks and finances, North Carolina housing, and all of that.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We do have a motion uh to approve this item.

Uh all those in favor, please indicate by voting yes.

Anyone opposed, vote no?

And the motion passes seven in favor, one opposed.

Item G8.

Item G8 resolution authorizing the conveyance of one city-owned lot with existing structure and 35,000 in gap financing for the rehabilitation of one single family affordable home, a whole man ministries.

Uh Council Member Mayor Proteum Adams.

I move for approval of agenda item G8.

Second.

Motion is second in the East Ward.

Any further discussion questions?

Not all those in favor of the motion, please indicate by voting yes.

Anyone opposed, vote no.

And that is unanimous.

Thank you.

And then item G9.

Item G9 resolution authorizing the conveyance of three city-owned lots with existing structures and 105,000 in gap financing for rehabilitation of three single-family affordable rental homes to Bell's property management in the east and northeast wards.

Um recognize Mayor Protium Adams.

I move for approval of agenda item G9.

Second.

Second by Council Recipio.

Further discussion questions.

Not all those in favor of the motion, please indicate by voting yes.

Anyone opposed, vote no.

That is unanimous.

Mr.

Clam, thank you for your staff and your work.

Thank you all.

All of the recommendations are excellent recommendations that we will take into account.

The Affordable Housing Coalition, it is active, so we just need to start making those meetings public and giving the community an opportunity to speak out before it gets to the general government committee.

Well, I certainly are for one am very grateful for the units that we approved tonight.

We need every one of them and many, many more.

So thank you for your hard work.

Yes, I just have a question for um Ms.

McClant.

Yes.

Um we have this put in this.

This is our round two of our uh housing program.

Um in the first round did not get those ITEC credits.

And what is the status at this time for those that we did approve?

What is the next step?

So those that you correct, we had three projects that we brought for uh approval.

Only one of those projects, um for um how many units?

It was roughly 60 units of multifamily complex for seniors, and so that 1.9 million dollars that you all approve will move forward.

The balance of that $4 million that we had for the LITEC cycle would go would just move back to the next cycle.

So now we have roughly about $6.1 million for the next LITEX cycle of projects to be approved.

Um, all of the single family lots you all approved.

So that as we speak, they are executing contracts, moving dirt.

So hopefully we'll see some single family pop up.

There was some money that was left over from that cycle as well.

We entered this cycle with 1.2 million, but after approval tonight, we're only spending about 665, 665,000.

So there'll be another 615,000 that can move forward to the next cycle.

So we still got some funding.

We still have the ability to bring some affordable housing.

So hopefully the next cycle we'll see some projects get that that LITEC funding.

Thank you, Mr.

McClellan.

Thank you, Mr.

Council McClark.

Yeah.

This is under the comments of tweaking for next time.

Um I think it would be helpful that you talk to the council person of whatever ward the land is in and get their feedback initially on what they would or would not like, particularly if it is property that would require rezoning.

Some of the issues tonight was what you proposed was a rental property, they would prefer to have owner-occupied apartments versus townhomes, etc.

etc.

I would not at that point want to get tied up in the uh intricacies of the specific proposals, but I think a quick answer is do you want apartments or townhomes or single family on that land would go a long ways in uh being sure that once we start it we can finish it?

And as you saw tonight, we had two that were sent back.

Thank you, Councilman Clark.

Thank you, Mayor.

And to build on what Councilman McClark is a city attorney, uh it would be also great for you to bring us up to speed on what has been approved in Raleigh as to what our influence or powers are as council members when it comes to development, because it has changed.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ms.

McClellan.

Thank you.

Council Murray, so follow our agenda.

I would entertain a motion to adjourn.

Make a motion.

Councilmember Joyner and Councilmember Clark seconded.

All those in favor adjourning, please say aye.

Aye.

Anyone opposed, no, we are adjourned.