Welcome to the June 25th, 2026 Social Service Human Relations Board meeting.

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So we will now call this meeting to order at 7.05 p.m.

Give me a second here.

All right, we will do a roll call.

Chantel Carter.

She's currently absent, but she'll be here in 15 minutes.

Yeah.

Bernie Wolf?

Here.

Gerald Bryant?

Here.

Michelle Buckholz?

Here.

Samantha Green?

Here.

And Scott Means here.

And from the Housing and Human Services Division, we have Simone Falls, Division Manager, Gracia Man, Program Manager, and Shelby Neal, Administrative Specialist.

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Thank you.

Um this brings us to item 3A to review and approve the minutes.

Do we have any comments?

I have a motion to approve.

We have a motion from Samantha.

Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Alright, Gerald, second.

Oh, since we're all in the room, all those in favor?

Aye.

Unanimously passes.

We have eight minutes.

Okay.

So this four item four, and I do want to point out this will be a fairly quick meeting.

We do not have a lot of items tonight.

So makes up for last week.

Or last month.

4A is to vote on the Social Service Human Relations Board fiscal year 2026-27 scope of work.

This item is a continuation from the April and May Shrub meetings where the Social Service Relations Board has been discussing and editing a proposed scope of work.

Further changes were requested and have since been incorporated into a fourth draft of the SOW created by Vice President Samantha Green, who will present.

Thank you, Samantha.

You're welcome.

So just as a reminder, Bernie Wolf and Gerald Bryant and I met to discuss the um well through email.

We uh looked at changes to the scope of work, and so I just wanted to bring your attention to the changes that were made in the hopes that we can get through and pass our scope of work this month.

So the first part that we see is on page one instead of primary role.

We substituted one of Shrub's many roles as to provide.

Um page one of the scope of work, there's um we substituted some pieces around collaboration.

So Shrub collaborates with city council, city manager, human services division, and numerous other government and non-government entities providing services within the city of Alameda, among other matters through its existing work groups.

Shrub addresses specific ongoing concerns regarding homelessness, intolerance and hatred, and domestic violence.

Shrub also addresses numerous issues concerning human relations that are not presently the specific subject of existing work groups, but may become work groups which the board may choose to create in the future.

In addition, the board provides recommendations on the following matters, and then those continue from our previous draft.

On page three, we've changed the work groups and subcommittees, and we've included under section A the existing work groups.

So it now says Shrub currently has three work groups, the Road Home Work Group, which is dedicated to addressing homelessness in Alameda, Alamedans United Against Hate, which is tasked with promoting mutual understanding, inclusion, and respect while combating bias motivated incidents, and domestic violence work group, which focuses on assessing local safety needs, raising awareness about domestic violence resources, and advising city officials on supportive policies and preventative measures.

Section B says the following additional tasks will fall within the scope of Shrub's work, among other matters, may become the subject of such work groups, subcommittees or committees as the board may choose to establish on an ad hoc plenary plenary or separately created basis.

The last section we uh changed the evaluation section to include a section about review, and that the city would be reviewing with the Shrub members the work of the previous year.

And those are the primary changes that were done to the scope of work.

Um here it sits in version four.

I like it.

Thank you, Sam.

Do we have any clarifying questions from the board?

No questions.

We can still have a um conversation, but before we get into that, do we want to see if there's any comments on this item?

There are no public comments.

Thank you, Gracia.

Alright, we can go into open discussion from board members.

I I just want to start things off by really thanking you, Sam, for doing this and putting this together.

Yeah.

And you know, that I didn't feel really great about the last meeting and leaving here.

I was hoping we'd find our way back to each other.

And it seems like we have.

I personally am going to be letting you know I'm going to be voting yes tonight.

And I think we've I've talked to some of you and I think we've satisfied people's concerns.

So that's I just want to basically say that.

And I don't know if there's any other comments.

I just want to echo it.

I thank you for your level headedness, your organization, and your your obvious intelligence.

So thank you so much.

I think both of you guys for um, I mean, especially Brittany, I really appreciate your thoughtful comments.

It was really helpful.

Um, and I appreciate you guys helping to move this forward.

So hopefully we can all be on the same page.

Again, I just say thank you.

I saw it when I read it, I went thank you.

That was all I needed to see.

I don't think you need to see it.

Yeah, I think very much so.

Can you just go over what the working groups are?

Did we do did we d delineate what the various working groups would be?

No, so as it stands right now, it just identifies what the work groups have been or as they exist.

Um, and I think the process is that in our next meeting as we go through our retreat, we'll be able to kind of revisit what those working groups look like, um, as well as the other responsibilities that are laid out in the scope of work so that we can kind of identify what needs to remain, what needs to go by the wayside, and if there are things that can be done outside of a work group setting as opposed to within a work group setting.

Does that answer the question?

Okay, thanks.

Do we have any comment any other comments?

Oh.

I have a motion to vote.

Okay, we have a motion.

Do we have a second?

I'll second it, sure.

Okay, we have a second.

Um, we're gonna do another consensus vote.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Is anyone opposed?

Or abstain?

I'll abstain since I came in late.

Oh, okay.

We're just this is just the work plan, is what we're discussing.

Okay, okay.

Just the work plans?

Yes, it's just for the this is just for the work plan.

Scope of work.

Scope of work.

The existing version four.

Okay.

If you still feel like you need to abstain, that's fine.

I just wanted to let you know that's what it is.

Uh if you all wanted to move to updates, you could come back.

Okay.

Okay.

Or yeah.

Yeah, I think that's fine.

Okay.

Um we're gonna come back to item three, um, and look at uh item uh agenda item four, which is the wait a minute, sorry.

I'm sorry.

It's really short, it's really short, so I actually thought we couldn't be there.

Where I actually item four B, right?

Yeah.

Um this is the work group reports.

Shrub continues to sponsor community events and engagement initiatives to raise awareness and strategies to bring community members together.

These efforts are led by several subcommittees referred to as work groups.

This month, each work group is to share strengths, areas of improvement, and future opportunities.

Next month.

Next month.

Oh, see, I this is like me reading sorry, this is like me reading off a cue card and not using my own brain enough.

It's actually next month.

Next month.

Each work group is to share strengths, areas of improvement, and future opportunities.

Okay.

I apologize that for that.

Currently, Shrub has three work groups: the Road Home, people experiencing homelessness, human relations, alumni is against hate, and domestic violence task force.

This this item that we're going to um discuss is for this board, this is for board discussion only.

There's no staff presentation.

So we will go directly into public comments.

Oh, I see how this is.

I'm sorry, this is a little different than usual.

I'm sorry I'm stumbling on this.

Do we have public comments?

We do not want, uh sorry.

Yes, it is.

I'm I apologize, Gracia.

Uh we do not have public comment.

I did want to mention, however, I believe you all did want to include some like highlights and opportunities this month, in addition to your updates, but I know we're kind of jumping around, so it's getting a little jumbled.

So yeah, and we're also moving at lightning speed.

So uh you all could do it a couple ways.

You could do your updates and then uh come back and do your highlights or not do the highlights.

That sounds good.

What would everyone like to do?

Do you want to do the highlights?

Yep, yeah, yeah, okay.

Um, so there's no public comment, right?

There is no public comment.

I always pause just to make sure in case someone jumps in last second.

That's good.

Um great.

So now we can open it for discussion.

Does anyone want to take a lead on this?

Again, the board is moving in the right direction the longer we deliberate on these things, the better we are going to be in making good choices.

So happy and looking forward to the opportunity to have the retreat.

It was really uh informative and helpful for us when we did it the last time, and I expect it will be so again.

Was the question what we thought the highlights of our working group was?

Was that yeah, that too, yes.

Oh, yeah, we're talking about the working groups.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

I will say for the road home.

I've been really pleased about how we disseminated the information about um the city's homeless policy and metrics that they met.

I thought the report was really comprehensive, incorporating point-in-time count as well as getting very like qualitative work of narratives from folks experiencing homelessness.

And I think we had a couple initiatives that were very positive, including the Alameda Volunteers Award, and then additionally the um the overdose treatment response have been very well attended and well received as we address uh opioid use disorders and substance use disorders.

So I think those were all really exciting, and I think just creating I'm really pleased about our group at The Road Home, that we are just increasing the narrative and and informing people about root causes of homelessness and how to think about how our city is attempting to address this very large problem.

Yeah, I uh as part of the road home, I think I would just echo the overdose response train.

I think was great.

I can't like it was just um attending those meetings, I think, and the interest level from city staff and then from other community members has been really overwhelming.

I think identifying an issue that people it like resonates with the community, I think is awesome.

Um I would also just point out the presentation to PTAC, um, and I think what is PTAC for that.

I'm sorry.

Uh the PTA uh presidents, so from all of the different schools um in the city of Alameda.

They meet together uh regularly, and we attended one of their meetings.

Um, and I think we discussed kind of what the city does, the um, and what um services are available to folks um that may be experiencing homelessness or having families that are having a hard time and need additional resources.

Um, there's always areas for improvement, but I think that that was a great opportunity for us to kind of reach to a different community that may not be as aware of the services that are available and provided us with a great opportunity to hear from them the challenges that they were seeing within their own school districts or within their own schools.

Oh, and then the age-friendly within that group, also the age-friendly movement.

I think Scott, do you want to touch upon it in that group?

Yeah, well, it was really satisfying to see the survey go out.

Um, I think actually I was gonna ask a question about that.

Um, after we close it, if can we not get data for a little bit in case I want to like reopen it temporarily for certain target groups?

In terms of demographics, like what I'd like to ideally what I was thinking was, you know, it closes on it doesn't it close like this Friday or something, I think the 27th, is to look at the demographics, and then specifically go out and try to get demographics that are missing on the survey, is what I would try to do.

So like it would be something where it was closed, but can it be reopened again once it's closed?

I guess is what I'm asking.

Technically, is that possible?

Yes.

Oh, okay.

Is it difficult to do?

No, it's a button.

Oh, okay.

I don't know.

Did you understand what I'm talking about?

I think yeah, I and I don't know.

I mean, I've I've done this before in other surveys where like we knew we we did a senior survey in Oakland and there was like no homeless input at all.

And so we actually went out and did focus groups and stuff and got that data and centered it in.

So I think based on what our initial data is, I think that's one of the just one of the shortfalls.

Yeah.

Um, and I wish I could have put more time into this.

Um, I did do the QR code.

And whose idea was that?

It was someone's idea that wasn't mine.

Someone here, so me, I thought was it yours?

Christian, one of you had had the great idea of of doing this, and so I did put this around and around uh Malameda.

So I don't know how many people have answered at this point, but those have been sitting around, like on Park Street and some of the businesses and on Webster Street in our two business districts, so in places I know where seniors go.

So hopefully we got a few more.

How about your you want to talk about?

Well, also want to still talk about opportunities and challenges or wait until the retreat next month.

I will say opportunities.

I feel like we can there's always opportunities for growth of how do we support our service providers, identify gaps, as rising inflation rates and rising housing costs, think about how we can prevent homelessness, um, and really have a greater um oversight and support, given our backgrounds to our service providers and and the grant fund.

I think that there's there's clearly programs can always be improved, and I think that would is an opportunity for us to look at how we can improve in our in our role and in our capacity to support programs with a different perspective.

Yeah, I think opportunities for me uh I think recognizing how many folks are unaware of the programs that are currently in existence and how to access them.

I think we all know that that's always an issue, but I think um that as funding becomes regular streams of funding become more limited, it's a great opportunity for us to outreach to folks to let them know what opportunities are currently available.

Um, and I think that as uh individual that's where I get a lot of questions from folks is just like what what services are available, um, and I think if we could have kind of broader outreach to other community groups um that we're not normally outreaching to, um, that would be a great opportunity for us as an organization.

Um actually uh just this is not technically a work group, but um I I also see some opportunities with the CDBG, um, and actually it um interfacing with all the work groups potentially in terms of you know really looking at our work and more comprehensive vision on how this grant funding is going out in Alameda and how it supports the social service work.

So I think that's an opportunity actually too.

You want to Bernie?

So um, I looked at our work a little closer to the microphone.

Sorry, I looked at our work plan last year.

Last year, Cindy Pyle was the other shrub member on the on the domestic violence work group, and we had some ideas, uh some of which didn't materialize, some of which did.

But during the last year, I've put uh continuous efforts into building up the task force.

With Gresha's help.

Uh the task force is now meeting four times a year.

Gresha always arranges a very interesting speaker on a topic that's of importance that doesn't necessarily fall within the you know penumbra of skills that the people that those of the task force bring together.

But now it contains members of city government, city staff, service providers, both in the government and privately, and other um individuals who have found that this is a very useful vehicle to disseminate ideas and also to kind of support the community with respect to dealing with domestic violence.

So I thought about kind of what the work plan should be like this year.

And if I had my preference, the work plan would involve work collaborating with the task force and having as many activities as possible come from then with Shrub being a support, you know, to enable the activities that the um that the work group decides are important, you know, to be effectuated.

There are perhaps some other things that the work group could do, but I think it's important to build a community of people that have an investment in dealing with this ongoing and uh terrible and often hidden problem.

So that's kind of the way I thought about it.

Do you have any other any other comments or um I basically have started work on our group work plan?

It's really a nice work plan.

We've got a lot of things that I believe are part of the human relations portion of what we're really doing here, and they would promote opportunities for people to actually get value from what we're doing.

It's not like we have to stand out there holding signs, be happy to just put a refrigerator in the healing gardens and let people be able to get food in and out, but that's just me.

So we're trying to put things in that will make things better for the people who need the most support, and this is an opportunity for us to show where we actually stand for the people who actually need the support.

So I'm happy to get here and talk about what we've got for the uh program.

Again, I've I've already kind of spoken with Samantha as part of the work group on the things that we would like to address.

And again, it we've got a lot of work to do.

So I'd like to get it going as soon as we can.

Yeah, I was gonna say, so I think for Alamia's Together Against Hate, I think one of the things that we identified is kind of as we were all discussing what the plans were building kind of stronger relationships with other community organizations, um, to identify kind of what interests they had and to see if we had alignment on the different activities that we were thinking of bringing to the community.

Um, that way there are less shrub events and more kind of directed by those other community groups, um, building broader partnerships, um, because not only will it help with strengthening the events or the activities, but it'll also help to strengthen the community if it's not just us doing that work.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Yeah, that's a good point.

I've heard a lot more about collaboration, which is great.

Yeah, or we can open things uh we can open things back up for public on that.

Sure, why not?

I mean, okay.

We're just taking a moment pause here.

Um well I'm gonna let her come up.

Why don't you come up and you want to reopen public comments?

Okay, we're gonna we we do I have to vote on it to reopen it or can we just do it?

I don't think so.

You can just call it back.

Okay, we're gonna reopen public comment.

Welcome.

Um please state your name for the record.

Uh yeah, hello, my name is Alfina Shofa.

I'm uh local in Alameda.

It's a short comment, so I don't know how official it needs to be, but um yeah, I'm loving what I'm hearing about the program and it's kind of like a comment around the um uh awareness of it.

Um my first kind of like exposure to it was the the board outside by the bus stop because I was waiting for the bus earlier this morning and I was like reading into it and then that's why I was interested in joining and there was like information there, but um I guess also input maybe more on social media I think would be great um because I know that we have a city Instagram account and I was just quickly browsing and the information wasn't there, so just uh quick input in case helpful.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

I did not know we had an inscription, yeah.

The city and city Instagram is great, yeah.

I love it.

It might have been totally or why haven't we been using this?

No, they've put on the events, the the person that runs it go is great, she goes to all the events.

All right.

Yeah, I didn't realize that.

Did you see that?

I didn't know.

Interesting.

Oh, you know.

Well, do you have a what?

I said now you know.

Yeah, now we know.

That's great.

That's great.

Um so do we have anything else for the work groups?

Do we do we cover is there something we didn't cover with work groups that we're missing, Gracia?

Um Gerald, do you want to talk about any highlights from the past year from your work group?

We're in the midst of still building up.

We had our last meeting for our work group meeting uh last earlier this month.

We sat and discussed the different objectives, the possible things that we could do working as part of our community and the different programs.

Some of them were rehashed from our original work that we had put in a couple years back with you uh Diane, and some of them were new ideas that we had gotten from various other organizations that we thought would be helpful.

It's a longer list than it was before.

We may have to prune it down, but I'm again with lots of choices.

We have lots of opportunities.

I think having Sam on the uh team is really important.

I'm glad we have her working with us because it was hard being a team of one.

Um input allows us to have a lot of conversations that are necessary and a lot of the people that need to be talked to can be done so from either one side or the other.

And the more the merrier, like I said.

So that's the basic report I have.

And I'll leave everything else I had for comment at the end.

So, thank you, Joe.

Thank you.

Um, well, if we've completed our comments, uh we can go back to item four A, where we already have a motion on the floor.

And I just wanted to Chantel, if you still, you know, wanna want to um abstain, you can't.

I just want to give you an opportunity if you wanted to look at it to vote.

Yeah, no, I looked at it earlier, so I just wanted to make sure when I walked in that was there anything that I missed, any caveats that was discussed.

Okay.

So we just went over just the changes that were there.

Um, and uh just the discussion of how Bernie and and Gerald and I kind of went through um and included our comments as a group to the new draft.

Okay.

What you see is kind of all we've discussed so far.

Okay.

Sounds great.

So um we have uh a motion and a second.

So we will do a vote.

All those in favor.

Aye.

Aye.

Uh any opposed?

Abstain?

It's unanimous.

Yay.

Th really thank you again, everyone.

For getting this together, um We thought it was gonna be a really long discussion which is why the agenda is so light, right?

Yeah yes we did actually think this is going to be much longer discussion.

So this brings us all the way to item five and it's only 7 35.

Item five staff communications I think I think our next meeting is going to be much longer though.

So 5A SaaS Report on Alameda Housing and Human Services.

Great.

So my colleague Shelby will be giving the update oh shall we just come in here okay.

Okay so on June 11th we had another overdose response training in partnership with the HIV Education and Prevention Project of Alameda County.

This time we opened the training up to external partners in addition to city staff and it was wonderful.

The final session will be on July 29th in May this is just a reminder for you for you all I know I announced it last month but in May HHS released a request for proposals for a residential rehabilitation program administer administrator to provide for the rehabilitation of affordable rental units.

Staff will seek city council's approval of a final selection on July 7th on the staffing side we are excited to announce that HHS administrative specialist Yasmin Obaidi has been promoted to administrative technician effective June 1st and we have brought on an additional part time administrative specialist Titus Rivero whom we are excited to have on board HHS is currently hiring two part-time engagement specialists to join the engagement team to deliver direct support to constituents experiencing or at risk of experiencing homelessness the application will be open until June 26th at 5 p.m tomorrow RISE Housing on behalf of the city of Alameda is now accepting pre-applications for three below market rate wait list the lottery will be held for three income categories very low income which is 50% of the area median income low income which is 80% AMI and moderate income which is 120% AMI.

For more information please visit the City of Alameda's housing and human services website under the tab home ownership programs and that concludes the staff updates.

Thank you.

If I could just add um we are hiring uh for two engagement specialists because uh two moved on but it was for like brighter and bigger opportunities so we were very happy for them um we have a strong team and it's great to see them.

One of them is actually still within the city she's actually going to be working with the city attorney's office so we're very proud of her very thank you.

This brings us to item six board communications not agenda I I would like to okay I would like to recommend something um the uh vision zero came out with their report on March 17th of this year so it's still fresh highly recommend uh reading through it it has some really inform really interesting information um just one of them we were talking about earlier has to do with e-bikes and how they've been involved in the majority of the the bad crashes here and there's also a really great map that shows where all the work is being done across the city and areas that are like hot spots for for you know bad traffic situations so just not just the board but anyone in the general public listening to this I think it's really useful to see what Alameda's doing for for traffic and safety because to remind you, Vision zero is about zero traffic fatalities.

That's what we're trying to get to.

Any other item um so last uh meeting we had doctors Cindy Acker come up and speak in public comment.

And I just want to read a couple of words here um Dr.

Acker is an award-winning educator, playwright, and consultant who served in the founder and principal of the child unique Montessori school, elementary school in Alameda for over 30 years, and she's widely recognized for her play.

Words that made the difference, Brown versus Board of Education, which highlights her commitment to social justice and educational reform.

Now I say all that to say she came up last meeting and said that because of the issues with the Oakland Diocese, they would be closing the child unique Montessori school, and she was looking for support from us as the board.

I spoke to her with uh earlier today, and right now she's in the midst of packing up one of the classrooms over there, and there is no support.

All the different avenues, all the people who were supposed to be doing something, have passed the potato along.

And so right now she's not having any real support from our community, and I think it's a shame because she's been a long-standing comp uh community supporter here in Alameda, and I'll put it out again.

I think we should be looking to do more to help her with her issues.

I believe that the school is a value to the neighborhood and a value to Alameda, and her pre and her presence here in Alameda is important.

So I would say once again, I will encourage if anybody has any other people that they can reach out, any solutions.

If you know somebody, if somebody who's watching now is able to find some support for her, I think it's we we owe her that for all the hard work that she's done in our community over the last few years.

And I, for one, I'm gonna miss her as a neighbor if she leaves our neighborhood.

So, so she said that referral that I don't know if she talked to you about that referral, it did not pan out.

It did not pan out.

Can we can we talk afterwards?

I'm happy to talk, but I wish I could get her involved in our conversations and have us as a board talk with her and the people that she's spoken to.

Because she's spoken to a lot of different ecumenical places here in the city who actually probably do have the space, but have decided not to because of claims of doing things with other organizations.

Now, I don't really, I don't know.

I'm not here to say I know, but I know that if we let this one go, we're missing out.

We're losing an opportunity with somebody who's valuable in our neighborhood and deserves to be here.

And the work that she does is is beyond what you see from most of the Alamedans in in this city.

And I'm just being biased because I look at her record and the work that she's done.

I've seen her plays.

I understand what she stands for.

And I can't imagine that this city can't come up with a place for her to k bring her kids for her Montessori school that's an award-winning kind of a school.

She's worked in multiple places with this, and I think it's something we should be paying close attention to as a board, my personal opinion on this.

Thank you.

Yeah, no, thank you for the update on that.

Um given the earliness of the hour, I would ask the board if it's okay if we there I think there's one more public comment.

Do you mind hearing from one more public comment at this point?

Of course.

Okay.

Let's open for public comment one last time.

Okay, we have uh public comment from Craig.

Hopefully, I'm not beating a dead horse.

Like I I do have, as I say, one place where I can uh sometimes usually park on private property with permission.

I'm trying to find other possible locations to be able to do this.

I'm not just worrying out one situation.

Um the other thing is if I did have some kind of a permanent location, I'd like to say that's more of a live workspace or a shop space or a studio space or something like that.

And I've told a few of you people my former landlady, my last actual permanent address was Ricky Lou Owens, whose father used to own Alameda Lock and Glass, and that property is now sort of a blight of things.

I'm trying to find a way I could gain access to that that's practical.

I'm also trying to talk to some other people that might be interested.

I know somebody that's looking for uh with mobility problems that's looking for housing that's a single the office building, it's actually a single level house.

And uh so and then also someone from the all right as Alameda group was looking for like a place where they have their own regular meeting place, so they're not just using the veterans building or this or that or the other.

So yeah, there's uh Sloan Brun is her name, I think.

So I'm trying to like do homework on the I I'm trying to not be too impulsive.

I'd rather, you know, um be able to kind of uh work that out in a way that it, you know, I'm not just coming out here.

This is my dream type of thing.

There's a little more intelligence to it.

There's some homework to it.

So but anyway, those are my two main points, at least regards my situation.

Thank you for your comment.

Thanks, Craig.

Do we have any other board communications by agenda?

Alright.

Well, seeing none, we can uh adjourn this meeting at 74 p.m.