Mindy Payne here.

Jonathan Townsend?

Here.

J Lee Klempa.

Here.

Jason Cohen.

Here.

Robert Gorenson.

Here.

First item we have is item three, old business.

We have an item four consideration and consent agenda.

Is there any items that anybody wish to pull from the consent agenda?

I do not move to approve the consent agenda.

Second.

Have a motion of roll call vote.

Mindy Payne.

Yes.

Jonathan Towson.

Yes.

JLie Klempa.

Yes.

Jason Cohen.

Yes.

Robert Gorin's A.

Yes.

Now item 4D 26 89.

That'll go before the city council right here at 6 30 on January 20th.

All right.

Item number five, items removed from the consent agenda.

We have none.

Item six, public hearings.

Before we get started with public hearings, I thought I would read you a little statement here.

I don't have this memorized, so I'll read it to you.

Good evening.

I'm going to go over the ground rules for the planning commission tonight's public hearings.

There are public hearings on land use.

These are public uh hearings on land use items.

The planning commission's role is to consider the request based on the city's adopted comprehensive plan and zoning regulation and edits and testimony present tonight.

Our decision whether to recommend approval, denial, or conditions will be based on land use criteria, such as compatibility with surrounding development, traffic and access, parking, public safety, stormwater, and flood plan consideration and utilities, buffering and screening, etc.

Comments that are unrelated to the land use criteria are not relevant to the commission's decision tonight and error and will not be considered.

Each speaker will have three minutes to talk.

Please state your name and address for the record before you begin.

Please direct your comments to the commission.

Don't talk to the audiments, talk uh the audience talk to us.

Uh to keep the meeting fair and efficient, we ask that the speakers uh avoid repeating points because you're gonna start saying the same same thing over and over and over for what the previous speakers had said.

So try to limit that on something new to us.

Uh thank you, and we'll now go ahead and start with public hearings.

So I guess we'll have the first item, and that will be item 6A 25-1716.

Staff want to cover that.

This is a public hearing consideration and possible action regarding comp 002532-2025 comprehensive plan change by ONETA 71 LLC for 8.8 acres from level one rural residential greenway floodplain to level 4 commercial employment nodes located approximately one-tenth mile north of the northwest corner of East Kenosha Street or 71st Street and Onetta Road 241st East Avenue.

Um let me find my spot.

The applicant is requesting this change to the comprehensive plan for the purpose of a commercial development pending approval of this amendment to the comprehensive plan.

The applicant intends to submit a rezoning request to change the zoning to CG, which is commercial general.

This request is congruent with the three parcels to the south of this property, which are already designated as level four commercial employment nodes within the comprehensive plan.

The project site would include four contiguous parcels on the northwest corner, totaling 16.39 acres.

Amending the comprehensive plan to level four would support a future rezoning request to CG Commercial General.

The anticipated CG Commercial General is in conformance with level four in the comprehensive plan.

The surrounding properties contain the following uses along with the following development guide and zoning designations.

The comprehensive plan has slated a level four, uh, which is currently A1 agricultural, uh, which current land use is also agricultural.

To the west is level one, which is currently A1, and there is a power substation at this location.

According to FEMA maps, the western portion of this property is located within the 100-year floodplain, zone AE.

Water and sanitary sewer are available from the city of Broken Arrow.

Based on the location of the property and the surrounding land uses, staff does recommend uh comp 002532-2025 be approved, subject to the property being platted.

Thanks, Rebecca.

Any questions, staff?

Discussion.

Is the applicant present?

Do you have anything you wish to add?

Mr.

Chairman, Lou Rentals, 2727 East 21st Street.

The purpose of this amendment, we intend to put a grocery store here.

I know that about 18 months ago, before this board, there was a application to put in the mini storage project here, but this is what our purpose is, and we're in agreement with staff, and I'll try to answer any questions if you have them.

Okay, sounds good.

Any question applicants?

We're good.

Thanks.

Thanks, sir.

Thank you.

Anyone else signed up to speak?

I guess we'll close.

Oh yes, we actually had two.

Well, they didn't sign up to speak, but we have two persons that signed up that they are in opposition.

They asked not to speak, but two persons that are in opposition.

Okay.

All right, so anything else?

I'll close above it here, and I guess we're ready for uh motion.

I did you sign up to speak, sir?

I did, but I might have put I didn't put the uh 251716.

I put the comp number on there.

So maybe that's what's your name?

My name is Colton J.

Is that on there?

No, neither of them.

So this is the item you signed up to speak.

Yeah, he's allowed to pink slip at 450.

Well, we got a whole bunch of pink slips up there, so we're gonna and you think you put 6A on there.

I no I put the for the two five pinks left by putting the 0025.

But this is the item that you were wanting to talk about.

So did you say you're signed up for opposition or you're for it?

Okay, I'll tell you what.

We'll go ahead and give you three minutes talk while we're looking for that.

So yeah.

I mean, you guys sign up to speak, but we'll just do it.

Go ahead.

You have three minutes.

State your name and address to the record, please.

May I give you guys a couple of these documents?

I apologize.

I I uh whenever I looked up, maybe I was supposed to give this only gonna work one time tonight, okay.

Thank you.

That's okay.

I can look on, but thank you.

Uh thank you for allowing me to speak.

My name's Colton J.

Um my address is 6975 South 241st East Avenue, uh, broken arrow, directly across the street from where this is uh re rezoning.

Uh I live there with my wife McKenzie and and and my two-year-old son Jack.

I've spoken with at least eight of the members along our street and an ONEDA or 241st this week.

Um, and I just wanted to bring up some of the items that we discussed.

Um all of us were in opposition to this, honestly.

So the increased traffic, uh the volume, the hours uh from early morning to to late in the evening, pedestrian safety, especially for children and pets, um the noise and uh light pollution.

Um so cars driving by uh our road is just a little two-lane road.

I don't think it can take really any more traffic than what already gets.

Um the bright lights, you know, from a convenience store, grocery store, whatever that may be.

Um, and likely those are gonna be on 24-7.

Uh property value, I believe that our you know, all the surrounding property values would uh decline, um putting us sellers, you know, buyers in tough positions.

Uh nearby competition, there's there's four um grocery stores, convenience source, gas stations within a mile distance, a brand new quick trip, uh Dollar General, uh Conico Peeps or or Mighty Mart within a mile.

Um quality of life for us, um privacy due to just constant come and go from people, um, increased litter.

I am constantly picking up uh trash bags, you know, wrappers, things like that in my fence line already from from just being so close to 71st.

Um feeling and living just I mean, and more of uh commercial rather than rural residential wood, which which is what it is.

Um a lot of the people around us have uh uh livestock, so welfare of those animals, whether that's uh you know just stress from from traffic noise um and crowds and things like that, then stormwater runoff with potential for uh you know having oil or fuel or you know, gas and things like that chemicals.

Um additional points like I mentioned, the the road, you know, probably not being good enough for for more traffic.

Um the ONEDA frontage doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to a lot of the people on the block.

Um then another one that uh I did I did want to mention, you know, if it had an ONEDA run frontage, I am directly across the street from that.

Um so in the evening hours and things like that, headlights pulling in and out of that are gonna be shining right into the front of our house, right through our windows.

Um there's a couple you know, members in the audience as well that are uh live right next door to me, and it would affect them as well.

So uh that's that's all I have.

So you're directly across the street, you're on the very east side of it.

Yes, so uh I'm okay.

So uh from where ONED is, I am the second property right there from 71st.

So we we own five acres there.

People just to the north of us, I believe, own uh four four acres.

Um a lot of I mean these are big big properties, so we've so you're on the east side.

Yes, I'm on the east side of ONEDA.

Um, I'm trying I'll have to get the applicant back up here to and maybe respond to anything you're saying here, but did wasn't there the on the south side where the mini store is gonna be is that part of this now, or is that gonna be separate?

I guess let me let the applicant come back.

Thank you for your thanks.

Was there another one to speak?

Yeah, no.

All right, no, there's no mini storage component to this project.

And and and richly speaking, and we see this every day in stormwater, our stormwater will be dealt with under your city stormwater regulations.

We'll all be detained, so we won't have an issue there.

We just protect pedestrians, we'll have to put sidewalks along both Kenosha and Oneida Road, so Nita Road, so we'll be taking care of that.

We are a we're a grocery store, not a convenience store.

So you're actually going to go towards the the whole node itself, not just okay.

That's correct.

That's what I could remember is what was south of this, whereas many storage.

That's correct.

We're a grocery store, we're not a convenience store.

Yeah, there's convenience stores all around here, but you've go all the way to the other side of the turnpike to get to the Walmart Supercenter for a grocery store, and where for miles and miles there's no grocery store.

Uh in the traffic, is there traffic issue that'll be dealt with in our plating, and and we've we've studied this and traffic's fine.

The the SIG this uh interchange is already signalized on all four legs to deal with this type of commercial growth.

Uh you know, from your zoning regulations, lighting will be dealt with.

We will not have any lights cross our property line and get out into anyone's.

So, since this more of the area that what we see shown right now, it you're gonna actually have limits of access, but it's gonna actually be off Kenosha Street itself, right?

That's correct.

And we'll have to have some onita, but not right.

Yeah, but no, so you shouldn't be in the idea where the limits of access is gonna be off ONEDA road itself.

He was just talking about the lighting stuff.

So I I don't think we'll have much of an impact on them and we have but improve the area by having this grocery store there.

I believe we require 250 feet from that intersection, so it would be a minimum of 250 feet uh for the ingress egress off Anita.

Okay, so we haven't seen anything, any kind of site plan, rough site plan yet or not to see where it's gonna be the locations of the curb cuts.

I think it's more of a conceptual plan at this, but it will have to adhere to city ordinance and the engineering standards.

Okay.

That's great.

And a lot of the concerns, uh you know, I don't know how to respond to the quality of life on this right now, but a lot of the concerns will be addressed when we go through the actually the engineering documents itself.

So uh that's our process.

Right.

Well, that would be the city of Broken Air on Engineering staff.

So any other discussion, questions, comments.

Thanks.

Thanks, sir.

So is this the first time seeing this?

Has the staff had a chance to see this tonight?

Yeah, we did not receive this prior to the meeting.

Okay.

Is this something you would like to see before, or would you rather us make a motion on it tonight?

It's time to make a motion.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

Well, I'll close the public hearing.

I guess we're ready for any discussion or motion.

All right, Mr.

Chair.

Uh make a motion to approve items 6825-17.

16 per staff recommendation.

I'll second.

So we have a motion second have roll call vote.

Mindy Payne.

No.

Jonathan Townsend.

Yes.

J.

Lee Clappa.

Yes.

Jason Cohen.

No.

Robert Gorenson.

Yes.

Okay.

That'll go before the city council January 20th, right here at 6 30.

Thank you, Ms.

Sherry.

And you'll have a chance to present this to the city council.

You might give it to them a little bit sooner so they have a chance to look at if that makes sense.

Thank you for coming.

We're recommending body, so it'll go to the city council for them to consider.

Next item on the agenda is item number 6B 26-82.

Public hearing consideration pop possible action regarding PUD 002490-2025 planned unit development and BAZ 002489-2025 rezoning for American storage of BA, approximately 24.9 acres, A1 agricultural to PUD planned unit development located west at the Creek Turnpike, east of South 29th East Avenue, or North 37th Street, and north of East Houston Street, East 81st Street.

Rebecca, excuse me for a moment.

Can you all please be quiet out there a little bit?

Thanks.

A rezoning request um BAZ 002489 2025 is proposing to change the zoning on this property from A1 agricultural to PUD 002490-2025 for commercial heavy CH and industrial light IL base zonings to allow for retail warehouse office space and storage development to the north and many storage development to the south.

Commercial heavy is allowable in level six of the comprehensive plan and industrial light is possible when done in the context of a PUD or planned unit development.

Surrounding land uses according to the comprehensive plan are as follows.

It is a house of worship.

East is also slated to be level six according to the comprehensive plan.

It is currently agricultural and undeveloped.

South is also slated to be level six in the comprehensive plan.

Current zoning is agricultural, also undeveloped.

West is also level six in the comprehensive plan.

It is currently agricultural and undeveloped.

Based on the comprehensive plan, the location of this property and the surrounding land uses.

Staff recommends that BAZ 002489-2025 be approved subject to the property being platted and PUD-002490-2025 be approved as submitted.

All right, thanks, Rebecca.

Any question, discussion with staff?

Is the advocate present?

Is the applicant present?

I thought I saw him in here a minute ago.

Oh yeah, she isn't home.

She didn't have button.

I think the applicant was in here a while ago.

We'll give the chance for rockets if they're out there.

No one and I have I thought she was allowed to stay in the room.

Rebecca, I'm gonna have a question about the landscaping on A versus B.

Do you want me to wait and let the applicant or do you would do you want to respond to any of it or you want to wait?

Yeah, if we can wait, we can both try to tag team and answer any questions.

Okay.

There she goes.

Yeah, we've been waiting on the applicant for about 20 minutes now.

Go ahead.

Yes, yes.

It's your turn.

Oh, okay.

Anything you wish to add on this?

Well, let me ask you about the landscape.

Go ahead.

We'll need your name and address the record, please.

Nicole Watts, Wallace Design Collective, um 123, Martin Luther King Junior, Boulevard, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

We agree with staff's recommendation for approval.

I was just curious about the landscape on landscaping A versus landscaping B.

I guess the landscaping A, I think, has the is it landscape and A has a 50-foot along the turnpike?

Yes.

Okay, and landscape in the and area B does not, it only has a 10-foot, I think.

Right.

Was it what was the reason be not having the same amount for that area?

Because it's both both of it run along the creek turnpike.

I was just curious.

Um because the development area B is for mini storages, and so we were trying to provide an extra buffer for the mini storages, then for the northeast lot, that was more um industrial.

Right.

But see, so even though it's not a butting the creek turnpike on the area A, it will still be backed up to more to the west side, right?

So you'll have that open field, and I guess you can have a detention area out there.

We will have a detention out there, and it's got so even though we don't have a landscape we have a 50-foot landscape buffer along the entire length of the um turnpike.

So are there gonna be trees in it too?

Um for both A and B.

I guess I misread it then.

I believe so.

Because we show on exhibit E.

Yeah, I didn't read it that way, but maybe I misread it.

Let me know 50 foot landscape buffer shall be provided along the creek turnpike boundary of development area B.

Additionally, a 20-foot landscape buffer shall be provided along the southern boundary of development area B.

Yep.

Sorry, just trying to follow out a little bit.

It's in your like table of PUD items.

Yep.

Keep going, keep going.

Right there.

Yep, right there at the bottom of that page.

Thank you.

Enlarge it.

So what you read was area B, right?

It's area A and B.

A and B.

You read A and B?

The intention is to provide the same landscape screening and buffer for A and B along the termpike.

I just read the the tables in the area A landscape buffer is different than that.

We can clarify that.

Okay.

But that that was the intention.

And if you look at the exhibit, you see 50 foot on both sides.

So I mean it's not a problem.

Look at the detention area and stuff.

It's gonna look about what it is out now out there right now, but then you still look way past it, and you'll still see something like this.

I was just curious about that.

Yeah, no, that was the intention, so we can clarify that if we need to.

All right, thanks.

Any other questions, discussion?

All right, thanks.

Did anybody say sign up to speak?

No one.

I have so no.

All right, I guess we're ready to close the public hearing, ready for a motion.

I'll make a motion to approve item six B per staff recommendations.

I have a motion at roll call vote.

Mindy Payne.

Yes.

Jonathan Townsend.

Yes.

Jason Cohen.

Yes.

Robert Gorenson.

Yes.

Again, that'll go before the city council on January 20th, right here at 6:30.

I didn't say anything.

I just pretty busy out there.

Read the statement again before you put the number of sections.

All right.

I've been asked to read the statement again.

They want my voice to go out before the end of the meeting.

So basically what I'm going to tell you right now is don't repeat, try not to repeat the same thing over and over again.

People are going to come in here and they're not they, you know, we need to talk about the things that are relevant to what we're looking at, what we're deciding on tonight, and that's the traffic, uh, transportation for these items.

You got your uh landscaping, you got your noise levels, uh traffic control, I think, just things like that.

So try not to repeat the same thing over and over that the previous speaker said.

Otherwise, you're gonna be here all night.

I think we got 70 people signed up to talk.

More than that.

More than that.

And so you got three minutes each, so we'll be here about three hours.

So that's what we're here.

That's what we're deciding on tonight, based on land use code.

Okay.

And I would just like to add that if there are people that the person before you just said something that you were gonna say the exact same thing.

You can just come up and state your name and then mention that you agree with the previous person or another person.

Say ditto.

You can say ditto.

Um the other thing I just wanted to share is um people do get passionate about many subjects, and we just have to know that we all have a right to disagree in our own opinion and to speak of our opinion.

So there may be some people that disagree with what you're saying or what you believe.

Please keep it down and allow them the opportunity to speak at the same way that you were given an opportunity to speak.

Okay.

So we'll just be respectful.

Thank you.

Yep, and that's what I was gonna say.

When you come up to speak, remember you're talking to us up here at the planning commission.

You're not talking to the audience, okay?

So you need to talk to us.

Okay.

So all right.

You want to cover the item?

Staffed.

Yes, this is public hearing consideration and possible action regarding BAZ 002469 2025 rezoning and SP 002526 2025 conditional use permit.

Islamic Center of Tulsa 15.06 acres, agricultural and floodplain to commercial general and floodplain.

Located approximately one half mile north of Tucson Street, under 21st Street, and just east of Olive Avenue, also known as 129 East Avenue.

BAZ 002469 2025 is a request to change the zoning designation of 15.08 acres from agricultural to commercial general and floodplain.

The property is located approximately one half mile north of Tucson Street and just east of Olive Avenue, 129th East Avenue.

The Creek Turnpike and its interchange with all of Avenue is north of this property.

The proposed development will have access from all of Avenue.

This property is comprehensive plan level six, which supports a rezoning to commercial general CG.

The proposed development includes a commercial retail center along the frontage of the property.

The rear portion of the property is partially floodplained and is planned for a retention pond and a and vacant land.

A conditional use permit for a place of assembly is also part of this item for consideration.

Parking requirements for places of assembly are one parking space for per four seats in assembly area, or one parking space per 100 square feet in meeting areas without seats.

The conceptual development layout details 726 total parking spaces.

However, the final number will be determined and approved in the site plan review process for both the Islamic center and the retail development.

Surrounding land uses zoning and comprehensive plan.

The surrounding properties contain the following uses along with the following development guide and zoning designations.

To the north, it is level six and greenway floodplaining.

To the east, it is level six and zoned agricultural, and the land use is currently vacant.

To the south, it is level three and greenway floodplain.

The zoning is agricultural and its current use is for a place of assembly.

To the west is level six and level three.

The zoning is agricultural and its current land use is a single family residence and vacant land also addition to that.

According to FEMA's national flood hazard layer, the rear portion of the property features an area of 100-year floodplain.

That area is planned to remain undeveloped currently.

All developments will follow floodplain development requirements as set forth by the city of Broken Arrow and FEMA.

Based upon the comprehensive plan, the location of the property and the surrounding land uses, staff recommends that BAZ 002469-2025 and SP 002526-2025 be approved subject to the property being plotted.

Alright, thanks, Jose.

Any questions, staff discussion?

I would like to add kind of what Jason was getting at while ago.

If you got you know you probably got some rowdy in you right now, so if you're gonna get rowdy, I will recess the meeting and we'll wait for five-10 minutes, whatever it takes, till everybody settles down, then we'll reconvene and start over.

So that means it may go into a lot later through the night, so if that makes sense to you guys.

So just try to be calm and relaxed.

So is the applicant present?

You have anything you wish to add?

I bet you do.

It's amazing how many people turn out to see a grocery store rezoning, right?

That's right.

And yours is in the way, right?

Yeah, and we're just in the way.

We'll need your name and address for the record, please.

I am Rick Brown.

I am the uh architect representing the Tulsa Islamic uh association.

And I my address is 521 West Wilshire, Oklahoma City.

Um our practice is in Oklahoma City, Dallas, and New York.

Um we're a small boutique firm, and um we do a lot of different things, but we have uh over the last 10 to 12 years uh done a number of uh Islamic projects, whether they're mosques or you know, family center editions, and this is one of those.

It's next to another assembly as talked about, but it's a church, so uh there's a precedent for the type of um the type of occupancy that that we're gonna uh propose here.

Phase one of the project will be the prayer hall and some support functions, phase two would be finishing out the second floor with classrooms and the women's prayer area, and then the the next phase of actual construction would be adding the gym in a place that's fits in between what would be the phase one.

Uh we know that with a conditional special use permit that we can build the mosque in agricultural uh zoning, but we also have a uh about 20,000 square foot retail slash office kind of uh structure that fronts on to Olive Street, so um that won't happen immediately.

It's it's projected for some time in the future, but the commercial zoning would be required for that.

So you're saying that the commercial would is way down the line compared to the Yeah, I think so.

I mean, I don't know exactly what it is.

I don't think the the area is ready for it first off, and when it is it, you know I'm gonna interrupt you, Mr.

Brabham, because that was a question I had staff, and I don't know if your posture to answer this right now, but if if they were to be approved with the zoning or change and if they were to be approved with the uh I'm not saying they're going to if they were to be approved for the specif the conditional use permit, would the timeline actually start just on the mosque itself or would for the conditional use permit?

Because don't you have like two years to be under construction or active or it expires and they have to come back before the planning commission again?

So but that's not gonna be related to the commercial and the retail, correct?

No, they they would have to the rezoning would be subject to plating.

Right.

So they would have to plat the property before the zoning goes into effect.

Um if they do not act on the use permit within a couple years, then it would have to start reactions.

And that's that's construction, right?

Because I think the I think what it says in the ordinance is like active or something like activated or something.

I'm not sure exactly.

Sorry.

We'll do they would have to be actively seeking the permits for it.

Okay.

I just stated that they'd have to actively be seeking permits.

All right, go ahead.

Um that's the that's the the essentially the concept site plan that's up on the screen now.

You can see the overall um facility, the prayer hall is you know in the neighborhood of uh 38, 39,000 square feet.

Um initial construction would be about 24,000 square feet.

Uh the future retail you can see is about 20,000 square feet up on the frontage.

Uh we show 600 some odd parking spaces.

Um the mosque will hold at full capacity about that many people.

Um I know that that's more than the city allows.

I'm sure that's something that'll create a lot of dialogue during the site plan approval phase, and you know, we're open to studying that, although there are you know times at at um on Fridays when their their services are and during Ramadan that they will absolutely fill those parking spaces.

There'll be, you know, only a handful of people there for for daily prayers and uh on Fridays there's a lot more people on Friday afternoons, but that's actually a pretty good time.

It doesn't conflict with the church next door.

Um and so you know we don't we really don't think traffic will be a problem out there.

Well that's interesting.

I'm uh I do a lot of interrupting, so I'm gonna interrupt you again.

Sure, because they're keeping the clock going, so they're stopping it for you for me to ask a question.

But I want to ask it now before I forget.

The the transportation, the traffic control itself, the traffic that you expect out there.

A lot of people are gonna bring up that they're concerned with the traffic going down Olive Street up and down Olive Street, and I understand that.

So what can you tell us about the hours of operation and when is the when is the peak traffic occurring at leaving this or entering or leaving this facility through the week?

Uh typically the only really busy time is on Friday afternoon, and I think that's one or two o'clock.

One o'clock on Friday.

So one o'clock on Friday is when uh the big crowd will be there.

Other times during the week, there'll be a handful of people for daily prayers.

Um not a lot.

Okay.

So there will be on Fridays a um a uh a security guard to direct traffic.

That's typical.

So uh like many churches do, they have a security guard on staff that'll direct traffic.

Um that's really the the the you know the the layout.

It's it's it's pretty simple.

It's I know there are a lot of people who will uh protest because it's a mosque.

I understand that.

I'm a grew up a Baptist kid in Dallas, Texas, so you know I I get where people are coming from, but you know, I think for the purposes of what we're doing tonight, it's it's a zoning issue.

There's a church next to us, and that's really what we have to to focus on.

So and and there's gonna be a lot of questions.

There are a lot of things are gonna come up, and a lot of the things that there will be some repeats, and so I know another item is going to be discussed is the I think it's called call for praying.

Okay.

Uh the the noise that might occur on that.

Can you tell us can you tell us about that?

Sure.

And say it kind of loud so everybody can hear you because that's what they're doing.

They're very quiet.

I don't I don't think that there's now see that's this is the stuff you don't want to do, okay?

Because you're just gonna prolong it because I'm gonna have to interrupt you and say be quiet.

So go ahead.

Um all of the the prayers are within the the walls of the mosque.

And I don't I I can't imagine that it's any louder than than any Christian church that I've been in.

I mean, they their prayers when they pray are are very silent.

Yeah.

Um so I don't I don't know of anything that happens there that would create any kind of noise nuisance.

So there will not be any external speakers.

Um loud times, anything like that.

No.

Thank you.

No, there's not.

There's there's nothing that would broadcast the message or anything outside the walls of the building.

Okay.

Okay.

And see this from what I did my own research, you know, they they actually, and I don't know anything about it really, other than what I read on the internet and stuff.

So they they aren't going to be inside broadcast at certain things on speakers like JV was saying where you can hear it all over.

Yeah, that's that's something that we saw on online, and maybe it happens other places, but my understanding, I'm not really familiar with the ones in Tulsa, but don't they have a similar setup and design to where it's not heard out outdoors?

Yeah, it's I I don't I can't imagine why it would ever be heard.

Yeah, if you could come and address that.

I don't go to the mosque.

This is a point of topic in discussion that I knew we we would get into it, might be a little premature.

So I know he's he's going to help you present, but at the same time, I I'd also don't want us to get stuck on this yet.

I know we're gonna have a lot of people who bring it up.

So I would also know that the city has a noise ordinance amplified noises to regulate any type of noise.

But a lot of this stuff I want to go ahead and bring up because these people are gonna want to you're gonna want to come up and you're gonna ask about it, and maybe hey, I heard something that I don't need really need to talk about, or maybe I want to add something to it.

So go ahead.

My name is Aslam Sayed and I live at 7132 East 86th Street in Tulsa.

And I attend the prayers uh two out of the five daily prayers at the Islamic Society of Tulsa, which is at in the neighborhood behind Sam's Club on 44th in Sheridan.

Irvington Street, I think it is.

Yes.

And that's at four exactly at 4630 South Irvington Avenue.

So and I'm also part of the leadership there.

And we don't have for the past 25 years, we've never even thought about adding a speaker outside.

And we have never had this problem.

We live in a neighborhood.

We are the mosque is in a neighborhood surrounded by all the residential houses, and nobody has ever complained about that.

So this is next to a church, and um the other side is the turnpike, so I I don't imagine.

Well, you know, that's good good to hear because there was a lot of comments on on social media and stuff addressing that.

I'm sure a lot of people have a concern out there, so we didn't and I'm not saying it's gonna be approved, but maybe that could be something in the motion also if it was for approval to include something about it.

I know there's noise ordinance, but actually, since it is a conditional use permit, the city council can create other development standards in there, correct?

Correct.

So okay.

Anyway, great.

Thank you.

And um if there's anything else that is gonna be, you know, it's gonna be a a concern of people driving fast or something like that, but we try to control all of that.

You know, we try to keep our messaging where do not bother your neighbors, do not be you know uh doing anything that is hurtful to the neighbors.

And you know, we've we've demonstrated this for the last 25 years in Tulsa and we've outgrown that space and these are all the I mean the questions that were raised online on different forums were where's the money coming from and all that.

I mean irrelevant to this hearing, but I'm just here to say that this is all the doctors, engineers and everybody else, whoever is here in Tulsa, the Muslim community, they have raised this money ten years ago to purchase this land, and we didn't have funds to build anything for the past ten years, and now we're embarking on it because we collected some money from our own people.

So that this I thought I thought y'all purchased it 14 years ago or so.

2014 is when we purchased it.

Okay.

And you're just you're waiting to get money together to build the business.

Right, yes.

Yeah, and it was a slow collection, as you can imagine, you know, we're not we're just a few uh thousand people around in Tulsa.

So uh it just took time, but eventually with the uh different populations migrating, I think uh there's more influx and and now we need a second place of worship uh as as well.

So you're gonna have both active then so both are so you're not moving the operations from Irvington to this one?

Yeah, it's gonna be a relief for that location in Tulsa that we're gonna be dividing the up the number of people because the people of Broken Arrow, the Muslims l who live in Broken Arrow, they're all driving up to the Tulsa Mosque and so in especially in Ramadan, that's where we see the problem and now this will relieve us for from that parking pressure.

Plus the Islamic Society of Tulsa, we've got 380 parking spaces, and we're accommodating all the people from Tulsa, Broken Arrow, Jinx, and even from north, up north from Oasso.

Um but now with this, with the 700 or almost 700 parking spaces uh in the second center, uh we imagine that at least for the next 20 years we will not have any parking issues.

Now the one on Irvington's gated, isn't it?

It is.

Will this one be gated also, fence and gated?

Eventually, yes.

The ferns permit.

Okay, so it's down.

Down the road then to do that.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah, because the one in Irvington did not have the gate, did not have the fence in the beginning.

We added it about 15 years ago, I think.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yep.

That's all I got.

You still got a couple I think a couple of minutes left, if I could throw in a couple of more questions.

But my understanding is you're the architect.

Does that mean that we aren't going to get really any sp specific information on the commercial development tonight?

Or do we have anyone who can speak to anything?

Yeah, we at some point in the future we'd like to have that fronting the main street.

Um, but as far as the way it looks, we haven't discussed that.

Well, and that would be the only tax revenue for the city of Broken Arrow, right?

Commercial, correct?

So and I have some questions about that, but perhaps we're not quite there yet on on on that section of it.

But thank you again for both of you both for your explanations, especially yours on the uh peak of traffic times, because I don't I don't want to assume that everyone knows everyone in here right now knows when mosque peak traffic takes place.

I personally wasn't really aware until just just here recently.

Um and I I I appreciate you s speaking to that.

But also I wanted to ask you, since you are an architect, what is that how do you feel about the uh you you mentioned there would be phases and this project would be developed in, but I've seen phases get paused, I've seen phases fizzle out.

Um and you know, things get halfway done for a while, and all of a sudden it becomes a public nuisance and it's it's it's an eye source.

So what can you how can you what can you say to that and any concerns that people might have saying, hey, if it is going, how do we then make sure it goes and goes beautifully?

That's that's a really good question because the the the Islamic community builds everything out of pocket.

They don't they don't go to the bank and you know get a loan so that everything they have is paid for by the time it's built.

I have done I guess this is twelve now, most of them in North Texas.

This is the first one in Oklahoma that I've done, but all of the ones that we've done previously have done the same thing.

They'll start, you know, with the money they have on hand, and they've you know been collecting money for this for a while, but once they start construction on what we're calling phase one, which will look like a nice finished product, um that will in turn generate a lot of donations for the remainder of it.

They like anybody else, they begin to donate money when they see progress being made.

Right.

And that's that's just our general human nature.

So I have yet to be involved in one that didn't collect the money by the time the project was complete.

So and I mean several phases of the project.

So I'm curious.

Um do you have the money to complete phase one?

Uh I don't know what their funding is at this point.

How are we we are in the process of collecting that?

We don't have it yet this time.

So you're yeah, so you've got a percentage of it.

We have yes, we have the pledges and we are looking to start when I mean our timing is to match when the architecture and the civil engineering work is done by that time, if at least we got 50 percent off the construction cost is when we're going to start.

But the way I understand it is it and correct me if I'm wrong, but uh you have two years to actually activate get something going out there, otherwise for the mosque itself for this uh commute uh conditional use permit to be active.

Otherwise it expires and you have to come before the planning commission again.

If you waited if you waited three, if it was approved and you waited three years, no, it's expired, so you'd have to come before the board again.

Uh I think we're for it way before that.

I mean, we waited 10 years and we're going to start only when we have something in our word.

And I would like to say again, since this that uh conceptual layout's been up there quite a while now tonight, that even though we see that that we're not they're not we're not locked into that.

Okay, tonight we're hearing a zoning issue, and we're also hearing a conceptual, I mean a conditional unit uh conditional use permit.

Conditional use permit.

I'm getting them mixed up from the old ones.

So we have a C UP, I'm gonna call it which SP, but anyway, so we have a zoning and we have the conditional use permit.

We aren't really looking at a rendering or anything like that, other than they did provide that out of courtesy.

But that doesn't mean they're locked into what you're seeing on this area right now.

I just want everybody to know that in case if it was approved, I'm not saying it's going to be if it was approved three years from now, it may look something different.

That's because they may have changed their design when they went through the engineering process.

I just want everybody to know that.

So go ahead.

Great.

Well, we I don't want to you know belabor our presentation.

Um this is our uh schematic.

The plan is not to disturb the uh the limits of the floodplain in the back.

We don't want to deal with that right now.

There may come a time in the future where there might be some expansion back there.

Uh I don't know.

There's no plans for that.

So uh it it is on a uh septic system, so we'll have to have uh septic out there, so we'll have our own sewer uh system out there.

Um the building will be sprinkled, fire department has uh has and will have great access.

So I think all of the technical components will will be either are met or will be met when we go through the site planning phase with the civil engineers and detention if it's required will uh also provide took about 20 minutes to get that 10 minutes, didn't it?

Because of that.

So we'll go ahead and open this up.

We'll we have a lot of people that's gonna want to talk, and so I'm sure there'll be some items you wish to uh you know talk about whatever questions.

So, you know, bear with us for about three hours, so we'll give you another shot at here in a little bit.

All right, thank you.

Hopefully, it's not too late for me to drive back home to Oklahoma City.

So you may get in a room.

We have great hotels here.

So again, I what I do want to mention again, but just to let you know that we're we got two items before us tonight.

We got the zoning, they're wanting to go from the uh what is it, agriculture and flood to CG commercial general to flood.

So that's that CG allows that retail to be off Olive Street and and the conditional use uh let's see conditional use permit.

Conditional use permit.

I keep getting that mixed up.

That is associated with the mosque itself that they're asking for.

So those are two separate items.

So my recommendation would be for us tonight, whether it's approved or denied, would be to make two separate motions.

One for the zoning to approve or deny, and if it's denied, I don't think you have to worry about the conditional use permit.

But if you approve of the zoning, then I would recommend that we do a separate motion for the mosque if that's what you want to approve the conditional use permit.

If you do have the microphone.

They gotta hear you back there.

Yeah.

If it's if for some reason it was not approved, we would also have to have a conditional use permit to build the mosque in agricultural.

Right.

So could that's a separate vote, could could that not go ahead and be granted with possibly could I would have to ask staff if if that conditional use permit for this could uh use could fall under the AG itself as yes I would have to double check on that.

I don't have a chart memorize.

Yeah, it's it's it's a standalone issue as I understand it, so I would think that it would be applicable.

The only reason why I was saying they ought to be separate and that that the conditional use permit should not piggyback, because if the zoning was was approved or denied, there wouldn't be any use on the conditional use permit unless you are gonna do it for the AG.

And I don't know if we would want to continue that or what to come back.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Okay, probably and and and I think you know we would like that if we could get the conditional use permit done, whether it passes or not.

I I think our the the biggest thing that would be different about whether it passed or not is that retail piece in the front.

But us taking an action on the on the zoning request, whether it's approved or denied, right?

Allows you to move on to the city council, whether we're since we're recommending body, whether it goes with them with approval, recommended for approval.

Right.

Or if we deny it, you could appeal it to the city council.

Right.

So it doesn't slow down the train if that makes sense.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So I just I hope I said that right.

But but yeah, I I I just I I think that it makes sense some sense that whether it passed or did not to go ahead and vote either pass or fail on the conditional use permit.

Okay, because that would be required and you agree that the cultural zoning to build it as well.

So then you agree or in agreement that they should probably two different motions?

Yes.

Okay, yes.

We have no plans on tying into the city sewer at all.

Well, no, because there's no city sewer anywhere close to us.

I mean, I I I want to say it's uh Jose's here.

I think it's like 1900 feet or 1200 feet or something from us.

For my recollection, I think the closest uh sewer infrastructure is towards the south on a on Tucson 131st.

Um there is some development taking place, um of course, with the uh trails at Aspen Creek if I remember correctly, that apartment complex has some uh sewer facilities.

Um there's potential for development of the parcel to the um west of that, so in between that apartment complex and this uh parcel that's uh under consideration today.

There's some potential for that property being developed in the near future as a part of that development, they would have to um of course also build out um the sewer system for that uh development.

It's a uh potential single family residential development.

Um however, whether or not that infrastructure um will be accessible to to the mosque.

Um you know that will depend on that development itself on how they develop it.

So yeah, so there currently is no um sewer, sedentary sewer within uh close easy access responsibility.

So our plan is to use septic now.

We'll we'll keep in touch with any development like Jose said that's going on adjacent to us that if there's some potential to share cost and get city sewer, we we'd love to do that.

But that shouldn't be a showstopper.

So no, it's not okay.

Okay, we need to get it going.

The city standard is any sewer within 300 feet they have to tie into.

Okay, okay.

All right, thanks a lot.

All right, so I guess we'll open a public hearing and I Jaylee, since I'm not a very good reader, she's gonna actually call the names, right?

We have a bunch of them, what three or four hundred?

No.

We have a bunch of people that want to speak.

You have three minutes to talk, whether you're for it or against it, and uh she'll call your name, and I guess you have one you call a second name for somebody on deck or something.

Yes, I will.

Yeah, I'll explain the system.

So I will read those um those uh um email.

Well, I won't read the emails, but just for starters.

The city of uh broken arrow had a total of 68 calls.

They had 150 emails, six in favor, one hundred and forty-four in opposition.

Um they had please hold your replies.

Please.

They had um several people sign up not to speak.

Please do not applaud.

Thank you.

So that whole stack is based on the whole, yeah.

That whole stack is they don't want to talk for in favor and opposed.

Good.

Now I have the other stack.

And um the way this works is I'm gonna call the first person's name, then I'm gonna call person that's on deck.

So those out in the hallway and those in the um overflow room, please be listening for your name.

So if you are on deck, you can start moving this way.

So the first person that wished to speak and in favor is Phil Armstrong, the person on deck, which would come after Phil is Mohammed, and I am so sorry if I mispronounced names.

Atise Sam.

So the first person, if you would come forward, Phil Armstrong.

Where do you want on deck to be positioned?

They can just come anywhere in here, just someplace close.

And Phil, you will have three minutes, please state your name and address.

So I will I will say I hear some noise.

Somebody got their cell phone watching TV or something, or what's going on?

I hear do you all hear that?

I do.

Well, if we have to, we'll shut the doors just so we're I mean, I don't want to cause a bunch of interruptions.

So if you got any things going on, we'll shut the door if you're outside, or we'll just have your room or leave the room.

So, Mohammed, I do not see you coming in.

So if you are here and present, please start moving forward.

Mr.

Armstrong, floor is yours.

Good evening.

Name's Phil Armstrong, address 2219 East 11th Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Uh good evening, commissioners, and thank you for allowing me to speak.

I am Phil Armstrong, President and CEO of OCCJ, an organization that has existed in Oklahoma since 1958, formerly known as the National Conference of Christians and Jews.

Prior to this current position, I was the founding director of the Greenwood Rising Black Wall Street History Center that was opened in June of 2021 in historic Greenwood of Tulsa, Oklahoma.

I became quite attuned to building a structure that stoked a wide array of emotions and controversy.

Since its opening, over 150,000 people from around this state, country, and from around the world have not only come to learn about the tragic events of May 31st, 1921, but the faith, hope, and resilience of a community that turned tragedy into a triumph.

Today I'm asking you to see this project not just as bricks and mortar, but but also as a symbol of who we are and who we aspire to be, and that is community.

Our Muslim neighbors are already part of the heartbeat of this community we call Green Country.

They are teachers, doctors, business owners, and parents.

They volunteer in our schools, they serve in our hospitals, and they contribute to the strength of our economy.

Yet many of them lack an adequate and modern space to gather to worship and celebrate life's milestones.

Imagine a place where families share meals across cultural lines, where conversations replace misconceptions.

That is what this center promises.

A home for dialogue, understanding, and friendship.

Approving this project sends a message.

A message that says the city of Broken Arrow is a city where diversity is not a challenge to overcome, but a strength to embrace.

At a time when headlines often divide us, you have the chance to write a different story, one of unity, compassion, and hope.

The free exchange of ideas, something that Charlie Kirk espoused, is not just a principle.

It is a lifeblood of a thriving community.

This center will be a place where ideas, cultures, and friendship flow freely.

This mosque and community center will not only serve Muslims, it will serve us all.

And I say that as an ordained Christian minister serving as an associate at Metropolitan Baptist Church of Tulsa.

So I ask you from the heart to approve this project.

Thank you for your time and for considering what this means, not just for today, but for the future that we share.

Thank you.

Um I do have a sheet that was marked do not wish to speak and wish to speak.

So Sean Murray, since Muhammad did not show, Sean Murray, are you available?

Okay, we're moving on.

So next person is going to be Sheree Thomas.

And then the person after her on deck is going to be Colby Palmer.

So Sheree Thomas.

Or if Colby Palmer gets here first, you can come.

Are you coping?

Thank you.

Come on.

Go ahead, Colby.

So Sheree Thomas is on deck.

By the way, you do not have to say your address when you come up to speak.

Okay.

Thank you.

That's actually that was my first question.

Just say your name and thank you.

Anyway, my name is Colby Palmer.

I've lived in Broken Arrow as long as I can remember.

Like many of you, I was raised in a Christian household and understand the importance of religious freedom for the people here in Oklahoma.

I've met many hardworking Oklahomans from many religious backgrounds, whether they be Christian, Jew, Muslim, or any other religion.

I've met many many members of Tulsa's Muslim community.

They're kind, charitable, and they're a kind, charitable and peace-loving community.

You're doing a good job.

Take a breath.

Thank you.

Who have proven that they are willing to come out and help and support the entire community.

Even though I may not be Muslim, I still support their right to practice their religion the same way I'd support yours or any or anyone else's or anyone else's here.

Should we not support each other's freedom regardless of their religious beliefs?

I say yes.

Love thy neighbor applies to people of all faiths.

And I'll leave my time.

You did a good job.

Okay.

So Sheree Thomas, please.

And next on deck is going to be Nathan Forrest.

We have one that can be called Sean.

Oh.

Okay.

Then you will be on deck.

You can go ahead and go ahead, Sheree.

Just state your name for it, please.

Yes, please.

I don't have much of a voice today.

Sorry.

My name is Sherry Thomas.

1116 North Highland Drive, Broken Arrow.

Thank you for letting us speak.

We do not need or want another dearborn Michigan no-go zone or epic city, which is East Plano Islamic Center near Plano, Texas.

In Islam, this is a symbolic claiming or taking over.

It is not simply a building, but an attempt to establish a mini-epic city in Broken Arrow.

These are not simply immigrants.

By their own writings, their intent is to take over and impose their laws, Sharia, not assimilate and embrace or comply to our constitution or our culture.

Islam is completely incompatible with our Constitution.

Please do not embrace PC, woke abdication of our responsibilities as citizens, and have common sense discernment of the Islamic ideology and put a stop to this.

Or, like Germany, we will acquiesce and allow this to destroy us and our culture and time.

The job of our government, you, our leaders, is to protect its citizens, our culture, our legal interests, citizens' rights and freedoms, not to pander to those hostile to our constitution.

By their own writings, they are hostile invaders.

Let us be kind and share the love of Jesus with these people.

But we must be strong and stand up for our culture, our laws, and our history.

As Elon Musk said, if tolerance means the end of Western civilization, we cannot be tolerant.

This may seem alarmist, but be aware of Islamic teaching and history.

Let us not be like the frog that was slowly boiled to death by our naivety or apathy.

This is a Christian nation.

Islam is incompatible with Christianity.

Islam is incompatible with our Constitution.

Amen.

Thank you.

All right.

Now thank now if you remember what I said earlier, we need to keep, you know, that's kind of stuff really we're not looking at for the zoning change, the conditional use permit, okay.

We're looking at land use.

Is this is this for the land use itself?

Is it good for the land use change?

Is it like the traffic, the drainage, things like that?

Okay.

The other stuff, that's not what we're looking at tonight.

So I have to tell you that.

Alrighty, so coming up is going to be Sean Murray, and on deck is Nathan Forrest.

Islam means submit.

And lots of uh people don't want to submit to this idea, this this way of uh life that they uh espouse in their religion.

There's been a lot of talk about uh the issues like can we know it will it we have sewage the crowd the crowds that are there, the but but that's I I think most of these people are here because it's a cultural issue and we don't want that imposed on our kids.

I have a daughter who's 15 years old.

I don't want this this ideology imposed on her.

It is on unconstitutional.

They have a sworn oath.

If you look at any of the documentation in any of the Muslim countries, they are not open to op you know, this this idea that we're trying to pretend exists where we're open to everybody's uh way of life, and we're just gonna kumbaya all together and uh uh get along.

They they're s they're sworn against our our ideas, and um and I think that's what most of the people here are supporting is um is they they don't want the cultural change here and uh if if they don't I'm one of those people because the lady said before, it is incompatible with our constitution.

If you're for women's rights, that's out the window.

I know there's several women here on the board, and Islam does not support the the rights of women at all.

So uh yeah, that that that that's why I stand against it.

There's lots of things that we could we might be able to make happen on a on a logistical uh plane.

Like, yeah, we might be able to get sewage and all that stuff, but I think it's a little bit more than that.

I think it's the cultural impact that this will have on our community, and I think ninety percent of these people here probably are not for that.

And I think that ought to be taken into consideration since it's the constituents that the city council is supposed to be supporting.

And that's not the this kind of ideology doesn't back up a a Christian religion.

I'm a Christian and uh they are completely opposed to this.

Uh I think the lawyer that spoke at first said something about in the past 25 years there hasn't been a problem with a specific mosque, but uh I think a lot of people remember a lot of problems that have come about due to Islam in the last 25 years, and uh I don't think people want that in our community.

Thank you.

Okay, Nathan Well, we'll give you a lot of people.

And you have a chance to rebutton.

This is the same thing.

Yeah, no, no, I know, sorry.

Yep, sorry.

Okay, so I'm getting ready to say something.

Okay, so yeah.

Go ahead.

No, I'm getting ready to say something, Mr.

Brown.

The kind of stuff that was just mentioned in the last two speakers, and I'll tell you right now, there's nothing in the ordinance that I know of, and I don't think the attorney is gonna find anything in it that says whether we could rule approve or di denied based on what you're just saying.

I mean, that's your beliefs, and we understand that.

But we have to have something solid that's in our zoning ornaments for us to deny or approve.

And right now we're not hearing anything, and that's what I'm trying to tell you, is based on just your belief that what you see on social media and stuff like that, it doesn't work for what we're doing.

What it needs to be is things again, and I I'm not gonna read the list again, but it needs to be related to the land use itself.

Does it fit?

Is it compatible?

The use, not the type of the individuals, what they speak or anything like that.

Is that does that make no no no?

Does that make sense what I'm saying there?

Think about it.

We have to be able to, it's got to be something uh I can't think of the word that we need, tangible that we could use, not just what you're reading on Facebook and things like that.

Okay, so if you find something in the zoning door and it says, hey, they can't do that because of this, we we don't think you should do it.

We'll listen to that.

Mr.

Chairman, I'm not gonna be able to do that.

No, you'll have to wait, we'll call your name.

Yep.

Okay, so right now I'm not seeing Nathan Forrest.

So uh next person in line is Gabriel McGlensey McGlindy.

Um person on deck after Gabriel is going to be um Mercedes Claywine.

Come on ahead, Mr.

Mercedes.

You can come ahead and speak.

And then after that is gonna be Randall Stickney.

Randall Stickney.

Yeah, I don't want to say those three minutes.

I know.

Please state your name, Mercedes.

Hi, my name is Mercedes Clavine.

Go ahead.

I was raised Christian Southern Baptist out in the country near a small town called Tarrelton, Oklahoma.

I went to school in Cleveland, Oklahoma.

I graduated valedictorian as a member of the National Honor Society and received full scholarship to attend Oklahoma State University.

It was at university that I met people for the first time who practiced different religions than the one that I grew up with.

I learned that these people were not hateful or evil.

They were just different.

They just practiced their religion differently than my family did.

Now some of my best friends are Muslim.

The people who have shown me the most kindness in my adult life have been the Muslims living in broken arrow.

Sorry.

You're good.

Take your time.

Muslims are people.

They can be rich or poor.

Sorry.

No, that's right.

Take a breath.

It's a little intimidating, standing up there.

We understand you.

They can be fatter skinny, white or brown, just like Christians.

There are black Christians, white Christians, brown Christians, Christians from all walks of life and many different countries.

And the same is true for Muslims.

In America, we believe in freedom of religion.

I believe that Muslims deserve a place of worship just like Christians.

We live in a place where there's a Christian church on every corner.

According to various sources, there are somewhere between 800 Christian churches in the Tulsa metro area, and yet our city has only 10 mosques.

This is not equality.

Why should Muslims living in Broken Arrow have to drive all the way to Tulsa in order to attend a service?

Well, Christians are able to attend any church in their neighborhood because there's one on every corner.

What kind of freedom do we have if we are not allowed to worship whatever religion we want to worship?

Do we have freedom of religion in this country?

Or is this freedom only reserved for the practices of Christianity and nothing else?

This is a blatant double standard and deserves to be challenged.

I am not Muslim, but I stand with the Muslim community here in Broken Arrow and believe they deserve the same rights as every other American.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, so uh we need Gabriel McClick McClinsey, then Randall Stickney on deck, and then after Randall will be Phil Byers.

Phil Byers.

Go ahead, Gabriel.

Um the microphone down.

Hold down.

That's okay.

State your name, please.

Uh Gabrielle McKinley.

Um thank you for allowing me to voice my concerns about this matter.

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The tactics of these organizations have used is first immigrate, then reproduce, drive out resistance by playing calls of prayer for all hours, by being um ungovernable, and various other means.

Sorry.

Islam believes that Shahara law is the supreme set of governing rules, regardless of any local, state or federal law.

Recently, the Oklahoma Supreme Court struck down an attempt by religious groups and political groups who attempted to sneak various items into social studies curriculum.

My question is for this body is if Islamic mosque is not forthcoming about its agenda, and is found to be attempting to bring in Shahara law in order to subvert the local state and federal laws.

What can be and what will be done about this?

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Okay, Randall Stickney.

So we'll indeed your dame, but for before you get started, what do you just name for the record?

But do you have anything related to the city zoning code, the land use itself, uh noise, lighting, traffic, anything like that?

Or is it just your or is it just going to be your opinion and beliefs on Muslims or whatever?

What it's going to be is me exercising my right as a citizen.

Okay.

Okay.

But you're in reality.

Those points will be addressed and this question.

Yeah.

Uh huh.

That didn't answer your question.

Right.

And you can you can have said that.

But really, what you're saying there is not going to spoil you my decision one way or the other because you're just giving me your belief.

Well, I don't have to live with you, you have to live with you.

Yeah, and I'm doing just fine.

Well, he's not trying to obstruct or suppress anyone from expressing their values.

That's totally fair game.

Thank you, Jim.

But there is planning commission language and uh parameters as which to what the way that we base our outcomes and decisions on.

So we just want to make sure that you are mindful of that.

If you want to express something else, try and find out.

I understand language that we that we look for.

My understanding of Oklahoma State Law, though, states that uh any time a planning commission is a very important thing to do.

Wait, first off, yeah, first off, you need to go ahead and state your name.

But before you do, real quick, just for a second, Kevin Eagley is on deck.

So we've got Phil Byers and Kevin Eagley.

Go ahead.

Okay.

Go ahead.

Uh commercial state your name, please.

Is this better?

Yep, thank you.

The last part of this discussion for me is going to Randall Stickney.

Thank you.

I'm a retired physician.

I've been in the Tulsa Metropolitan since the 1980s.

Okay.

And uh I am a resident of Broken Arrow, not Telsa, like we heard earlier.

The reason I'm here is as I understand it, by Oklahoma law, the commercial zoning uh has to take in as a mandate to believe that the surrounding community is enhanced by whatever is being built.

And that may not be sewage and that may not be drainage, and it may not be retention ponds, but that's a pretty impelling characteristic.

Uh in representing the sense of broken era, ask yourself if you would like to have a mosque built near near your neighborhood.

Ask yourself what it would do to the value of your home.

Ask yourself if you would put in a business next to that mosque from a mercantile perspective, and ask yourself if you'd like to hear a call to prayer five times a day beginning at dawn, finishing at night.

I know what you've been told.

I heard those statements.

But the truth is there's a principle in Islam called takiyyah, and in which you are justified in lying to infidels any time you want if it furthers the cause of Allah.

Keep that in mind and ask the people in Michigan how that worked out for them.

Islam, Islam is not a religion.

It's a misogynistic culture, born of the writings of a pedophilic warlord around 570 AD.

Their great prophet consummated his marriage to a six-year-old girl when she was nine years old, in her own words, still playing with dolls.

Before you call me a racist, please be aware that my dear departed wife, 37 years was half Mexican.

We adopted kids from Korea, have black friends that call me family, family, and a black, white interracial couple chooses to stay with our in our home with with their kids when they're here.

Historically, convert, leave, or die were the choices available to non-Muslims in the early years, and those principles are still in play.

Islam is violence.

In 627 A.D., after the 25-day siege of Medina by Muslim forces, the defending resident tribe of Jewish Arabs surrendered expecting humane treatment.

The Islamic field commander ordered all the men and all the pubescent boys to be executed, and he directed the uh enslavement of all the women and children.

Trenches were dug, and between 600 and 900 decapitated bodies were thrown into trenches.

The paragon of virtue of Allah's worship, Mohammed approved, saying it was in accordance with God's decree.

A French think tank reported 66,872 Islamic attacks from 1979 to 2024, with over 200,000 of those deaths in the last 10 years.

Currently, tens of thousands of Christians have been and are still being murdered by Muslim extremists in Subhar Africa.

Machetes are off on the implement of choice.

Aside from the burkas and hijabs and the lack of personal freedom, Islam and Sharia law does not give equal rights to women.

I saw an imam on TV one time that was being questioned about the corporal punishment of wives.

His comment was you know, yes, uh, you can beat your wife, but if a good Muslim would seek medical attention for the wife if she needed it afterward.

Thank you for your time.

Uh I didn't get my three minutes because you guys asked questions about the city.

They stopped the clock.

Yep.

Okay.

Women are the primary victims of Sur Sharia law and sanctioned killings.

The practice of tree allows a Muslim to lie, and if they already said that.

Sir that's it.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Okay, Phil Byers.

Phil Byers here.

Okay.

Then Kevin Eagley will be on deck, and then um Heidi Martinez.

I'm sorry, can we ask to close the door?

There's too much background uh noise coming from the hallways in here.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yes, um whenever you're ready.

I am Phil Byers.

Um I'd like to point out the first two people who spoke who were for uh this rezoning.

They they were able to go on about their side, so that's why other people feel like we get some say in that.

Uh I have some things that I would mention about uh actual rezoning.

Uh I I heard something about the uh uh Islamic uh the call to prayer, and yes, that would be one of my key concerns.

I understand they're saying that it's gonna stay within the building.

The fellow before me was absolutely right about the doctrine of taqya.

It does allow people to uh lie in order to promote the the uh needs of Allah.

So uh there is that.

Now, the call to prayer, there is several registers in residential areas around this area.

That's gonna be a big deal, even if they just do it once a day.

Uh so now, yes, there are noise ordinances.

Well, there are noise ordinances in Dearborn, Hamtrak, Michigan, uh, in Minneapolis.

Now Dallas is a problem.

The key is somebody has to have the backbone to enforce those ordinances.

So it it may be coming.

Uh the fellow before me uh also mentioned that the mosque would serve all people, and I gotta tell you that's that's just not gonna happen.

Okay, uh you know, I've I've seen the sections in the Quran that say what to do to Christians and Jews.

There's six of them.

Uh you know, our country is based on uh freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

The Quran says nothing about that.

That is not supported.

So uh they can't really support our U.S.

constitution.

Now I've looked for Imams who have said, hey, I support the U.S.

Constitution.

Nothing.

Nothing there.

Um thing on rezoning, the uh there is the uh uh the concern of uh wetlands.

And I've I've bought property before, and U.S.

wildlife flew over and said, hey, you may have a wetland.

So it it limits what you can do.

So I curious that that needs to be looked at.

Um the uh you know, I'd just say 1.2 million soldiers have given their lives in this country to uphold the constitution and try to give freedom to even uh nations that are under attack.

And uh they didn't they didn't uh give their lives to uh bring people in who won't support the constitution, and I'm afraid Muslims will not.

All right, thanks.

Thank you.

So we're gonna be able to do that.

Appreciate what you gave us the stuff on the noise and the wetlands.

That's stuff we can work with there.

Uh Kevin Eagley, then on deck is going to be Heidi Martinez, and then after Heidi's gonna be V.

E.

Doc Sublett.

Please state your name.

My name is Kevin Eggley.

I'm from Brook and Arrow, and thank you for letting me speak.

Um, a couple of things, a lot of stuff has already been covered about the uh infrastructure.

Uh the call to prayer five times a day is a concern.

Um is it is this mosque going to have a basement at all?

A basement?

Yeah, that I can't answer.

That's not present.

I mean, we haven't heard anything about that.

Um did I understand correctly that the mosque will be 40,000 square feet and the retail is like 20.

So it's basically a mosque first and then a retail second.

Yes.

Well, actually, there are there are two different locations if you remember the site, Matt.

The mosque itself was on the east end and the but on the same property.

Yes.

Okay.

So um so septic capability is you're 100%.

We're gonna have to do septic.

There's no place to tie in.

Well, I think that we just talked about that a minute ago.

All right.

So here's my concern.

One of the biggest one is, and I've lived here 30 years is the uh traffic right at that turnpike.

I look at Lynn Lane and Highway 51, and that's a quagmire, you know, five o'clock.

I live off of 1111th and uh Creek, excuse me, uh Aspen in uh the creek, and that is turning it's a great center, but it's gonna be a quagmar.

So is infrastructure for traffic in that area being addressed.

And secondly, I want to talk about this.

You know, it is culture and uh city planning, city council is responsible for culture, and we need to understand that what I'm gonna say is not politically correct, but it's historically historically correct, and we need to really look at what we're allowing into our community and the effect it has.

Um I spent 20 years in the military, um, lived overseas, Iceland, Italy, Germany, have friends all in those areas still, and they are dealing with an Islamic problem like you have no idea.

Um they addressed it about the ability to lie to get their way.

That is not a uh what's the word I'm looking for?

It's a truth.

I I don't know how else to say it.

Um I know that when uh Islam comes into a community, it's first peaceful, they give medical aid, help aid, and then it begins to turn around.

And then to get involved politically and they begin to take over communities.

The reason I know that I have relatives in Minneapolis, have relatives in Dearborn, Michigan, and in New York City.

And if you look at history, if you look at facts, facts are facts.

And Broken Arrow is a wonderful community, and people think, well, you're being prejudiced.

Listen, facts are facts.

Amen.

History is history.

Okay, the American Constitution is what we live by, and that alone.

And it will affect the community community.

You are city planners.

Okay.

Not only are we building can't hurt you, but people can.

And we need to stand up and take a look about what we're going to allow into the broken hour community.

Our constitution men died for our right to stand up here and speak the truth.

Um I have a lot to say, it's been covered a lot.

I don't want to waste everybody's time.

I got like 15 seconds left.

But I want to thank you for the opportunity.

But each and every one of you sitting here, your decision will affect this community for years to come.

Yes.

And people need to understand that.

And I am tired of political correctness.

I'm tired of people trying to keep the beast to promote a lie.

Thank you very much.

I appreciate because I appreciate what you've given us because you gave us some stuff on the noise, like noise levels, white lands, traffic, and septic.

So we're actually hearing some stuff we could work with here.

So next person up is Heidi Martinez.

Then we have V.

E.

Doc Sublet after that, and then on deck after Doc is Angie Stevens.

You can pull back to the same.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

My name is Heidi Martinez.

I have been a resident of Broken Arrow for 25 years.

I also grew up in an Arabic and Jewish neighborhood very close to Deer Warren, Michigan.

I, for the last 22, 25 years, 22 of these those years spent in Broken Arrow, have been engaging with the Islamic community, Muslims, and my dear friends at the mosque, um, who are actually terrified to be here tonight.

They were scared to come because they thought somebody would hurt them, and that the bigotry and the hatred that has been expressed on social media would endanger them and their families.

I want to thank you for this opportunity to share.

I want to just express my own experience because that's all I have, is my own experience, that my engagement with the Muslim community has been that they are very kind, generous, charitable people who have offered their friendship, not just to Muslims, but to me as well and to my family.

They have become part of my family, and I have become part of theirs, even though I follow Jesus, and I'm very, very bold about that.

This question here tonight is not about Islam versus Christianity.

This is the issue of rights.

Freedom of religion is not just reserved for one religion in the United States of America.

I don't want my right to worship where I please to be taken away from me.

People died and fought for that right.

Jesus loves Muslims, and so do I.

And he said to love your neighbor.

These are my beloved neighbors and friends.

And they deserve the same rights and respects and freedoms that I experience.

Who are we to take away basic human rights when so dear a price has been paid for us to worship the way we want to worship?

The spirit of America is to open our hearts and our arms to each other.

We don't have to agree.

We don't have to worship the same.

But I just implore you to please consider the fact that these are not those people.

They are us.

We are us.

It is not just one religion in this country.

It is not just one race or one type of person.

But I beg for you to see them as people with just the same desire that we would have to worship near our home peacefully.

We are Oklahomans.

We are broken arrow people.

We are residents here that want a peaceful loving community.

And that includes inviting people over and joining each other's company, getting to know people that are different from us.

I have had nothing but a positive experience in these last 22 years.

I have had so much love and loyalty and friendship extended to me.

It hurts my heart to hear the things that are happening tonight.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, next up, V.

E.

Doc Sublett, then Angie Stevens will be on deck, and then Linda Russell.

Mine's short.

Thank you.

It's something new, right?

I'm a pastor.

It's nice to be short, you know.

So my name is Doc Sublett, and uh I have a concern, not about the religion aspect or anything else.

I'm a taxpaying broken air person, and I know that we've purchased 90 acres uh with taxpayer money right across the street, right across the highway there.

And uh the purpose of that is to bring in economic development to that area.

And when you're bringing in economic development, uh what we're trying to do here is in this innovation district is bring in high-paying jobs and high-end customers.

And just for my personal experience, uh, I'm owning several businesses over the years to support my pastor habit.

Um, if the if I have a business and I have to look out across the road there at a mosque, big mosque, or a big building, you know, it's not going to be easy to bring people in to encourage people to come in and invest in our community in that area, which we have 90 acres we've bought over there.

It's a big deal.

Uh I know that I know that that's a small thing, but when you're talking to people that have the opportunity to go anywhere they want to go to spend their money, that could be a concern.

So that's one of my concerns is that we protect the investment that broken air has made in the 90-acre development over there, and that we give them every tool, the committee, every tool they need to be able to woo those people to get them to come here and invest in that area.

So thank you.

So what about the church that's out there right now?

Is it the same thing with it?

Well, it's been there how long?

50 years?

Yeah.

And it's not this is you're talking about that they've asked for 740 uh parking spaces.

That's a 3,000 seat mosque.

That's a big building.

So you're saying that other church doesn't really have the MP.

Look, you can't see it from a house.

Right, right, right.

Yep.

Actually, it doesn't look much like a church, be honest with you.

It doesn't look much like a church when you're not going to be able to do it.

It doesn't look like a farmhouse.

Yeah.

All right, thanks.

Thanks.

Thank you.

I do have a quick question for staff.

Um, as far as the uh commercial portion, since it's phased.

Can we give them a time limit with the specific use permit as far as how soon they have to have that commercial portion built?

No, the use permit would only relate to the place of assembly.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

So on deck, Angie Stevens.

Thank you.

Angie Stevens, then Linda Russell is on deck, and then after Linda, it will be Karen Hardin.

Go ahead, floor is yours.

Hi.

I'm Angie Stevens, and I just uh moved to Broken Era recently from Tulsa, and I didn't know all about this until yesterday.

And so maybe this is why I was supposed to move here, just to come ask questions.

But um, as I understood, they said they only have 50% of the monies for their mosque.

Is that correct?

That's what they do, yes.

Yes, that's what they need to.

So you know that casino that was supposed to be built, and now it's like trash over there across from the BoTEC Center.

Yep.

Yes, I don't want that near my home.

Um also I have a I was a teacher, uh, school teacher kindergarten.

Um they said they have their meetings at one o'clock on Fridays.

How long do those meetings last?

Well, we'll give them a lot of things.

They can read about that later.

Yeah.

Okay.

Come back.

So I'm I'm concerned about school buses, parents picking up kids, trying to get out of the neighborhoods because neighborhoods will eventually grow out there.

And if you have this huge facility, and um kids trying to get on home from hot buses because our buses are not air conditioned.

Um concerned about that for our children too.

For thinking in the future for planning.

You guys are planning.

Right.

So this is think beyond today.

Um, I am very much opposed.

I'm concerned about the noise.

I know they say noise, but um I'm just very concerned.

So these are things that I'm concerned about.

So you don't understand if there was any development outside whether it's a mosque or a church or anything like that, you know, Catholic church process, whatever, that you would still have that trip situation, just like you have at Life Church, just what east of there on the next two miles over, I guess.

Yeah, Life Church is not as large as that, and they have the building is not that large.

So they have what Life Church has done.

They don't meet at one o'clock on Fridays either.

Right.

And they they stagger their worship service.

So they have several.

So my point was what I was getting at is look how close they are to the turnpike, the entrance and exit, and the same thing would be with this one here.

Whatever goes in there will be fairly close to the turnpike on a Friday.

They alleviate a lot of the traffic.

On a Friday afternoon when kids are parents are going to pick up kids, kids.

It's it's a different situation.

Sunday mornings, you're not having that problem because people are that's the main thing they're doing is going to worship.

So this is it's a different, it's a whole different ball game.

Well, we'll give them a chance to respond to this to see about the one o'clock to how long, see what what what they're talking about.

Okay, is it one to two, and then we're trying to get a kid there?

You don't want to wait for them, huh?

Okay.

No, and no, I don't.

Thanks, Andy.

I want my kids.

Yeah, they'll come back up.

Thank you, Angie.

Okay, so Linda Russell is coming up.

I'm putting together a list of items for them to talk about.

So Karen Harden on deck, and then after Karen is uh Patricia Hyland.

Good evening.

Nice to see you all.

Thanks so much for giving us the opportunity to speak up.

Yep.

Um in the speaker, please.

Yep.

There you go.

I've never been accused of a soft boy.

So sorry about that.

State your name, please.

Linda Russell.

Thank you.

Um I guess my biggest one of my concerns was I'm still learning about this too.

I just found out about this not long ago, even though I was at the Tuesday night council meeting and no one seemed to know about it.

Um I'm wondering about the level six that it's been designated as for range of use.

My question is does a mosque have employment or commercial significance that would meet the requirements of a level six.

And it would appear that there is intensity involved by this plan development that does not meet this comprehensive plan standard.

The other things that I are I am concerned about in terms of the zoning.

Um, that ordinance establishes a different development standards for assembly and institutional uses based on sewer availability, which was a mentioned earlier, including increased minimum lot area requirements when served by septic systems rather than municipal sewer.

So even with that regard, I believe like this this should not go forward.

The ingress, egress, emergency access constraints, which I was really appreciative of the aerial view to be able to demonstrate that clearly when I read that.

The site plan in that this aerial imagery demonstrates is the subject track relies primarily on that frontage along South 129th East Avenue for the ingress and the egress with no clearly established secondary access route.

I didn't hear anything about that tonight either.

Um the proposed commercial buildings and associated parking bills significantly increase the traffic volume, fire apparatus access needs and the emergency response demand.

So that tracks proximity to the Hakey Creek floodplain and emergency response demand.

Excuse me, and the emergency uh the creek turnpike right of way.

Further constraints, access reliability during severe weather events, um, and the rezoning, of course, to the CG would permit development intensities that have not been shown to comply with the city's engineering design criteria manual or the adopted international fire code requirements for reliable fire apparatus access, providing an independent basis to deny the rezoning and associated conditional use permit, both.

Also for the on-site wastewater and lagoon regulatory constraints with the Oklahoma Administrative Code 652, Chapter 641 governs on-site sewage treatment systems.

The OAC 252-1-3 requires on-site sewage systems to meet minimum lot size, soil suitability and separation distance standards and limits systems to dispersal fields or lagoons.

And then the 251-6415-1 requires all sewage lagoons receive septic tank pretreatment and operate as total retention systems subject to strict and then these state level requirements significantly constrain that facility.

So I oppose this.

But see, you you did your homework.

You went down a different path than a lot of people.

So those are good things that you mentioned.

And that's good.

So some of the things I might add, you know, you're talking about like the sewage system.

I don't know whether they're going to I thought I read they were going to go with a septic field instead of a sewage lagoon.

So if they're going to go through a septic, they'll have to do perk tests and all that.

They'll have to meet the ODQ or EPA stuff anyway on that.

So tonight, that's a good point, though.

That tonight, though, what we're looking at is just the zoning and the conditional use permit.

But I think you were asking if I caught that right, you went pretty fast.

Were you asking what else could go in a CG?

Is that what you mentioned?

Or I'm not sure if I caught it.

Sorry, what else?

Did you ask what else could be the rezone from agriculture to commercial the CG?

Did you ask what other kind of items would go in there?

What kind of other people are going to be able to do that?

No, she asked, um, I don't think she didn't think that a mosque would be a couple of things.

Okay, well, the level six, yeah, the level six.

So the CG actually falls into level six.

The comprehensive plan, it has a table that shows, okay, this is level six based on the land use intensity system, what kind of items can go in our categories, and the C3 CG is one of them.

It has, I think, four or five that are permitted and or if I remember right, and one of those.

But what she was asking is why is a mosque being put in there, and the reason being is because they have the future retail component of their own.

They want that CG for that retail.

But with the what we're they're not, they're not, they weren't looking at for if I'm trying to figure out how to say this, the CG as a mosque.

What it falls under for the conditional use permit is the place of assembly, correct?

Which could be a moose lodge, another church, it could be things like that.

Correct.

So it could be a bunch of different things, not just the mosque itself.

The conditional units conditional use permit could be used for other things too.

Like I said, the moose lodge or whatever.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I don't know if I answered anything.

Well, I'll just kind of paraphrase and if uh the city can correct me if I'm wrong.

If there was no intent for a storefront or commercial development in the front of that facility, then they could be submitting a conditional use permit only and not asking for a change in zoning.

So the reason why it's two separate things is the fact that they're wanting to in the future.

So now is the time for them to do that during the planning portion.

So I hope that helps uh answer any components.

But also the luxury of that of having the retail there or the frontage long olive is the tax dollars that City Broken Air gets.

Also, it's going to be platted so we get the city gets the right of where it was, so they don't have to go out and purchase it to widen 129th or Olive Street.

So there's a benefit for that too.

Now, what they're going to put in the retail store, I I we have no idea.

It hasn't gone that far through us.

So Karen Hardin's coming up.

Patricia Highland is on deck, and then Billy Weiland after Patricia Highland.

But those are great comments, I might add.

Commissioners, thank you for this opportunity.

I believe the citizens of Broken Arrow and the City.

Could you say your name, please?

Karen Harden.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The citizens of Broken Arrow and surrounding communities are concerned about the consideration to rezone this property due to several issues.

Of concern is that if you rezone it, you will have overruled your city's own comprehensive plan due to the infrastructure limitations, floodplain constraints, and public safety.

First, the current city infrastructure does not support it.

Ingress egress of traffic, water sewer, septic issues, and a floodplain, as well as negating the Department of Environmental Quality on site, waste water and lagoon regulatory constraints.

Others will address this more specifically.

But Chairman, you said that the issue of septic shouldn't be a showstopper, but it actually should.

If it does not, and it seems like that the size of the buildings that they are trying to build, the number of people that the septic they would put in could not meet the limitations that are there.

Yeah, and I thought what I asked him if that it was not a showstopper.

I was confirming to him that he thought it was not a showstopper doing the septic instead of the case.

So you were saying it was.

No, I was saying it's not a showstopper.

Okay.

It can be.

But it's a big property out there in that floodplain.

The city is not going to let anybody build in that floodplain.

They can increase runoff, they can't increase upstream inundation or downstream.

But we do need you agree, we do need to stay within state regulations.

Oh, yes.

Okay.

And they will have to.

So also if approved, it would be preferential treatment and spot zoning, which violates the comprehensive plan.

The proposed rezoning of a specific phased commercial development concept seems to confirm that this requested rezoning is driven by a particular site plan rather than comprehensive re-evaluation of the surrounding area.

Approval would confer a parful parcel specific benefit inconsistent with existing zoning patterns and environmental constraints constituting preferential treatment without a corresponding public plan and justification.

The current broken era comprehensive plan provides long-range guidance.

It does not override infrastructure limitations, floodplain constraints, or public safety considerations, which we are hearing much about, all of which this rezoning would do.

The requested zoning certainly seems to exceed what is reasonably supported at this location given existing environmental and utility conditions.

Why would you approve rezoning for a structure and then try and create roads to or ingress egress when it clearly isn't there?

Approval of this rezoning would establish precedent for similar requests along their corridor, incrementally eroding greenway and floodplain protections.

The cumulative effect of such approvals would undermine long-term stormwater management, infrastructure planning, and environmental stewardship.

Isn't it true that consideration of precedent and cumulative impact is of legitimate legitimate factor and legislative zoning uh dis decisions?

And if so, then why is this going to be ignored?

If you approve it here, you have to approve it elsewhere.

And I think we've already seen the uh spot zoning uh preferential treatment given to the casino at 111th and olive, we saw how that turned out.

The safety issues are of absolute concern when the North American Islamic Trust, which purchased this land, has had been deemed and discussed in 2007 as one of 246 and/or organizations that were unindicted in co-conspirators and joint venturers in federal prosecution.

Now I say unindicted because they were named as a terrorist, but that is under uh debate.

But we do have to consider that.

So what you were doing was you went really well for two minutes and fifty seconds or whatever until you got the last part, because all of that was relevant to what you what you were saying.

Public safety is relevant.

I understand.

And what you were saying is relevant to whether it's a mosque or a Catholic church or anything like that.

So that's good what you were saying.

Present that to us.

Thank you.

So the spot zoning, I'm I'm not sure if I'm gonna buy off on that, but I mean it's in the comprehensive plan for the C3.

If you go to the comprehensive plan, you'll see it showing that.

But we've already done spot zoning for the casino, and we saw how well that works.

I can't I can't answer about the casino.

Yeah.

Okay, so coming up is Patrice Patricia Highland, Billy Willand, and then um on deck after Billy is gonna be Randy Privat.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman and members of the board.

I do have a handout that I can give you after my uh three minutes in detail.

Okay, please state your name.

Uh my name's Patricia Highland for the record.

Thank you.

I want to address and I stand in opposition to the requested zoning change, not on a religious basis, not on anything.

I live a mile from this property.

Okay.

And if you drive by there every day, it is a bottleneck.

There is no egress or ingress to that property.

There's no access on this side on the south side to that.

There's no at there is no access on the north side, the south side, or the back side where the floodplain is.

You can't even get in and out of there now.

Now, are we gonna come back around and ask the taxpayers to pay for improvements to make that suitable?

No way.

No way.

And I want I have addressed in this four-page document the legal reasons why we should be opposed, and giving you guys the reasons why we should vote no.

Okay.

The legislative standard and burden of proof has not been met.

The floodplain and greenway constraints are not met.

The municipal authorities, the infrastructure and utility limitations are horrendous.

The broken arrow zoning ordinance and specifically the ingress and egress that was alluded to earlier and the emergency access.

Have you driven out to that property and walked it and looked at it?

I feel for the people that want to build on it.

They got a pig and a poke.

Somebody sold them a pig and a poke.

Now that that property, there's not parking.

What are they gonna do?

Bust them from across the street in the defunct casino slash event center and let them park over there.

There's no room for parking.

That all we heard from the attorney from out of state in Texas, and an entity from out of state purchased this property.

They the North American Alliance, the Islamic Alliance purchased it.

There's not room for parking for a birthday party on that spot.

Really?

I I challenge you to go out there and listen to what was said tonight.

And let me tell you, when the Afghan refugees came, our church was involved.

I took a family over to worship at the mosque every time they were called to prayer.

I set up an apartment through a committee in my church for them.

This has nothing to do with that.

This has everything to do with I live a mile away, and it is not sustainable.

Run off groundwater, you name it, and it's addressed right here, and I have a copy for all of you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, so Billy Billy Wyland coming up, Randy Pravat on deck, and then after Randy is James Giller.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

Okay.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

Hello, my name is Billy Wyland.

I'm going to give this first part by simply saying the last three ladies that spoke.

I'd like to reiterate, and second, as if repeating verbatim herein.

Baruchatarunai Hovalehum.

Blessed be the Lord Adonai Yahweh, who was and is and is to come Master King of the universe.

Who gives us the ability to distinguish between light and dark, day and night, truth and untruth.

And Hashem Yeshua.

When I took my birthright trip to Israel in the summer of 2010, I was walking through the old city of Jerusalem.

I was wearing my kippah.

I wasn't looking to make a statement.

I wasn't provoking anyone.

I was just walking, just breathing in the land of my father's.

At some point without realizing it, I wandered into the Muslim quarter of Muslim area that had been rezoned in the whole city.

A Muslim orphanage.

And these tiny little children began striking my legs with their sticks, chanting over and over, surah, sura, surah, surah.

On one level, it was almost comical, like Gulliver surrounded by Lily Putin's little hands, little voices, little sticks.

But another level, it broke me.

Because what I was witnessing wasn't childish mischief.

It was learned hatred.

These precious children before they could read, before they could reason, before they could choose, had already been trained to see me, not as a man, not as a neighbor, not even as a human being, but as an enemy dog to be beaten.

Not because of anything I had done, not because of who I am as a person, but because I'm a Jew.

The sons of Ishmael would one day, I pray, love their own children enough to stop teaching them to hate me, to hate my people, and to hate America.

And scripture is clear about where the responsibility lies.

It does not rest on the children, it rests on the parents.

It rests on the leaders.

And it rests on those who shape hearts before those hearts can defend themselves.

Train up a child in the way they should go.

And when they're old, they will not depart from it.

This is our mandate, and we will be judged for it, not by each other, but by God Almighty, Yehovah.

Those children of the old city were not my enemies.

I pray for them.

And I pray you turned down the zoning ordinance option.

Thank you.

Okay, we need uh Randy Pravat.

James Giller is or Jameis Giller is on deck.

And then after Jameis Alan Jackson.

Good evening.

I'm Randy Prevat.

I live in Broken Air for over 30 years.

I absolutely oppose the 25-1766.

I hope you'll take a lot of way everybody has said in consideration this evening because I'm going to come from a little bit of a different angle.

I did five years in the Middle East as a civilian contractor.

I've lived among those people.

I lived on the third floor of an apartment for five years, five times a day, starting at sun up.

They blasted their prayer call out to my apartment.

But I'm an American now, and I don't want to put up with it here.

I don't really think you guys can stop them from putting those speakers up.

It hasn't stopped them in a lot of other towns and places.

I just don't think it's going to happen.

The doctor said earlier this evening, they will lie to you to get their way.

To give you guys, because you haven't lived it like I lived it, to give you guys a real example of what it's like to put up with that.

Imagine this.

We all love our tornado sirens we have, don't we?

They're here to protect us.

Can you imagine if that same siren went off every morning at sunlight and went off at sunset and three times in between that all day?

You'd get fed up with it.

You'd move out of the area.

And that's my point.

If you guys can't stop the prayer calls, that stuff will travel two miles at six o'clock in the morning.

It's quiet then.

You will have people leave your area.

I'll be one of the first.

I've I've lived it, and I'm not going to put up with it.

I don't care if they have a church.

What I care about is I don't want them to infringe upon my rights.

And I don't care about your noise ordinances either.

They're not going to cut it.

They're still going to infuriate and piss people off, and then you're going to have a problem.

And I am blown away that a mosque is even going to be tried to be situated right next to a Christian church.

That blows my mind because I live with those people for five years.

But my big thing to you is the noise.

That's my complaint.

And what are we doing about the runoff?

750 cars in a parking lot?

That's more than Walmart's parking lot.

Where's all that water gonna go?

Well, they'll be required to have on-site storage to control the runoff that's going outside.

That would be that would be taking place during the engineering during the design of it.

But the city of Broken Arrow and the they will not increase the runoff going upstream, uh, in date people upstream or downstream.

How could the city of Broken Arrow stop the loud speakers?

How can you absolutely my other question was how are we gonna stop the speakers?

Well, and that's what I mentioned earlier, and that's why I asked about the applicant.

I think they'll lie to you.

They've proven that to me for five years.

They'll lie to you to get what they want.

Yeah, but we have a noise ordinance.

I also feel like they're only putting the commercial property in there, so you guys will approve the property because it's tax dollars.

Raise my taxes and get rid of that.

We don't want it.

Raise our taxes to get rid of that.

We'd all gladly pitch in three, four, five hundred dollars a year or more to get rid of that.

I don't want it in my neighborhood.

I don't think anybody else here does either.

All right, thanks.

Thank you.

So coming up is James or Jameis Giller, Alan Jackson, and then on deck after Alan Jackson is Carla Morris.

My name is James Gillis.

I thank you for allowing me to speak tonight as your own policy states.

You don't have to respond.

We have a right to speak.

And it has been duly noted that this council has been totally biased.

Not once has any comments been made for anybody who was uh in favor of this proposal as a condescending statement that it wasn't relevant to the zoning commission and the planning.

Not one time was that done tonight.

And also their condescending the statement was that we found all this stuff on Facebook and social media clicks.

Some people have actually done their homework, read the Quran, read the hadiths.

We understand what the religion of Islam says in the news today.

A town in Michigan, whose entire city council is Islamic.

They voted to have animal sacrifice.

If you don't believe me, look it on social media.

Google it.

They are now doing animal sacrifice in a city in Michigan because they're Islamic city council members.

Just like the mayor of Dearborn, Michigan berated a U.S.

citizen, a constituent of that city, told the individual, we don't want you in this city.

I will be glad when you leave this city.

I will rejoice and dance when you leave this city.

It is called cultural jihad.

They come in nice, easy, quiet, cooperative, and they would uh they would stone and kill a metropolitan community church if it tried to open up in Yemen.

They would stone and throw off the rooftop a transgender if the transgender tried to come and cry before a city council.

And so they come in easy, quiet, it's cultural jihad.

All of their religions, whether it be Shia or Sunni, they all agree in one thing.

The establishment of Sharia law.

And they want the Sharia law.

Every woman in favor tonight would be stoned for not wearing a burqa.

They would be castigated, beaten with rods.

They would be thrown in a pit.

We've seen it before, and we know what this religion does.

Thank you for your time.

Okay, so next up is Alan Jackson.

After Alan Jackson is Carla Morris, and then after Carla on deck is it looks like Caleb Mitchell.

On here it said about supporting information, material.

Can I pass it out?

Sure.

Now we won't have time to read it while you're talking, of course.

Broad diffusion of knowledge.

Well, actually, we're not the city council anyway.

We're the planning commission.

Right.

Yes.

My name is Alan Jackson.

This is a notice to the Broken Arrow Planning Commission on the Islamic Center site.

Notice to agent is nose to principal, nose to principles, notice to agent.

I, Alan Jackson, one of the people as seen in the Oklahoma State Constitution, Republican informed surreal jurists to present you this notice by necessity for your you and your agents to take immediate due care.

Vote no on the Islamic Center property zoning change.

Please take notice that the Oklahoma State con uh is a common law state, and that the Christian religion is part of the common law, that men and women are born free and equal and have certain natural, essential, and absolute rights, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inamicable rights.

See evidence below.

The Oklahoma Constitution preamble when uh invoking the guidance of Almighty God in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, to secure just and rightful government, to promote the mutual welfare and happiness we the people of the state of Oklahoma and establish this constitution.

Maxim of law.

The Christian religion is part of the common law, maximum of law, that which is against divine law is repugnant to society and is void.

The Northwest Ordinance 1787, that we are hereby ordained and declare there by authority the compact between the original states, the people, and the states and the territories in Oklahoma was the territory.

The inhabits of the territory shall at all times be entitled to these benefits, proceeding according to the course of common law.

Whenever any state shall be admitted into the United States on equal footing with the original states in all aspects and respects whatsoever.

Oklahoma Constitution, Article II, Bill of Rights, Section One.

All political powers inherited in the people.

And the government's instituted for our benefit, our protection, excuse me, protection, security, and benefit to promote the general welfare.

The definition of a common right, uh, Black's Law Fourth, a right that that pertains and provides, excuse me, that a right applied to rights, privileges, immunities appertain to and enjoyed all by all citizens equally in common, and they have their foundation in the common law.

Maxim of law, all political powers inherent in the people by decree of God, thus not exist except derived from them.

Maxim of law, the main object of government is for protection, preservation of personal rights, private property, public liberty, and upholding the law of God.

Virginia Constitution, Art Bill of Rights, Section 15, that no free government nor the blessings of liberty can be served to any people but by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles, and that free government rests as does all progress upon the broadest possible diffusion of knowledge.

As agents and servants and trustees of the people, vote no.

This notice is sent to you in the peace and with the love of Christ, so that you may provide due care for those who have all political power, the people.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

Up next is Carla Morris.

On deck is cable cable.

I just found out about it.

Your commerce issue will come documented.

Thank you.

Yes, thank you.

On deck will be Caleb Mitchell, and then after Caleb will be Ralph McClendon.

Go ahead.

Hello, my name is Carla Morris.

I appreciate this opportunity to speak with you very much.

And I am excited to see that the Constitution is being upheld tonight and that people are being speaking freely from their heart.

As well as they've done the research ditto on the ones who brought up the overloading of the sewage system and the noise factor and people who have actually lived in societies where this type of mosque operates.

Ditto.

You know, thank you for doing your research.

What I want to say is I want to bring up something that no one's brought up.

It's already agricultural, you know.

And we need more farming.

We do.

I mean it it it we are our president has brought up that we are we need to stop foreign countries from buying property in our communities.

Okay.

And and and I why we would even let Islamic into our country at all every beyond me.

493, I don't know if you know it, mosques across this nation.

All they have to do is all they have to do is just send a text.

That's all they have to do.

So why are we even considering putting another mosque in this area?

And all of these people are saying, no, we don't want it.

They're even saying we'll pay more.

We'll pay more taxes.

If this is the problem, we'll pay more taxes, whatever it takes.

But we're not going to let our rural community turn into a mosque where we have what we don't have what we move to a rural community for.

We don't have privacy.

We don't have that quiet peacefulness.

You know, if you live in a neighborhood, you put up with a little more uh noise.

You put up with people walking in front of your property.

When you're out on acreage, you don't have that.

You have you have your five acres, you know, and nobody gets to trespass.

You know, this is what these people are after that live there, okay.

And so I I I just I don't get it.

Why would we even consider it?

Why are we letting our nation be taken over by Islam when we're over in Israel fighting to help to stop this radicalism?

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, Caleb Mitchell.

Then Ralph McClendon on deck, and then after Ralph will be Mark Smith.

Hello, my name is Caleb Mitchell.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

Uh I would like to address a couple of the concerns that have been brought up by several of the speakers this evening.

Uh, in reference to the noise complaints that you may get, it would be no different than the church bells that ring in the Rose District every hour and every half hour.

Folks, please.

It is as simple as that.

On and sorry, my heart is racing right now because I am seeing the beauty and the ugly of my community.

I will be living half a mile from this facility, and I could not be happier to welcome another group of faith.

And I would be standing here in favor of any faith, whether that be Christian, Muslim, Islamic, uh Indian, uh I can't even speak, Hindu.

That's what I meant.

All deserve the rights.

And them coming before us to ask to build in our community should speak to our community and of itself.

Because most of the concerns that I'm brought up, ingress, egress, big words, ooh.

They would be the same sort of issue for any sort of development that goes in there.

Across the street, there is a um event center that has ingress egress issues.

If you've ever seen somebody try to leave that place, it's crazy.

Any sort of building in that area is gonna have pain and growing pains.

And as I drive by that corner twice a week or twice a day, five days a week to take my son to school.

It needs to be addressed, but not in the fact that it would be a cause for concern for this mosque.

The comments that are being spoken this evening.

And I just wish those who are here to represent the mosque.

I look forward to having you as a neighbor, and welcome to Broken Arrow.

Thanks.

Okay.

Ralph McClendon.

Then Mark Smith on deck.

And then after Mark Smith, Chris Jacobson.

My name is Ralph McLennan.

I was raised in Broken Air, graduated from Broken Air High School more years ago, and I like to admit, but I'm pretty old.

Anyway, uh I have known people of Hispanic faith, some of them have been very good friends of mine.

They're not all bad.

I mean there's just as much difference in them as our difference in Christians.

They have their they're not all bad people, but there are some who are, and their Bible, the Koran, says it's okay to kill anybody as an infidel.

And then Bill is anybody that doesn't believe the same way they do.

They're not beyond burning down our Christian churches or anything they think is opposed to them.

They also have an agenda if you listen to anybody, the ones over in Michigan, they said, well, we'll try peacefully at first, but if necessary, we'll go by force.

They have found caches of ammunition and automatic weapons in some of these mollusks.

We don't want that in broken air, I don't think, do we?

I don't think so.

So we have a chance to keep us from going up even at this level.

Now this has nothing to do with the land and all that, the zoning and all that yet, but we have a chance to say no to it.

And if we don't do it now, then I would hope we would do it on the building permit.

But I would encourage us not to let this mosque be built because I think we will supper had birth uh reactions later on, and it's been said if you can vote something in, but if it's wrong, you may have to shoot your way out.

And that's the way I think.

I encourage us not to let this thing be built.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, Mark Smith, then Chris Jacobson on deck, and after uh Chris Jacobson, Woe Stahl.

So Mark Smith.

Appreciate your patience.

No problem.

Please state your name.

Looks like we're here all night.

My name is Mark Smith, 40 years living in Broken Arrow.

Commissioners, you all have experience dealing with government entities like the Sovereign Creek Nation and their Kioligi tribe.

Today, a similarity, but in this situation, it involves the Islamic Society of Tulsa.

Just like in the past, there are two plans and two unique self-serving interests that are in conflict concerning this property.

The BA next comprehensive plan is our city growth plan with many strict enforced ordinances.

BA next is a secular plan for growth.

And I quote, the aims and purposes of the IST shall be to serve the best interest of Islam in the Greater Tulsa area to enable Muslims to practice Islam as a complete way of life.

This identifies the Islamic society of Tulsa as an Islamic dean.

A dean is complete submission and obedience to Allah, covering all aspects of life, including religion, social, political, economic, and legal systems, guiding community and state.

The IST falsely presents itself sometimes as a religion rather than a dean.

This is an effort to create political sympathy for Islam that is felt by the city commission and council members who are placed in a difficult position to avoid being labeled Islamophobic or being put at risk of violating federal discrimination loss.

Two plans, one secular and one way of life, but heads at this proposal to build a mosque center in Broken Arrow.

They do not mix well or at all.

And the proposal shows the mosque to include a 20,700 square foot future retail center.

Question Would a Catholic or a Baptist or a Jewish bookstore be allowed to sign a lease to operate in the mosque retail center?

How about a small cafe that serves a traditional breakfast menu?

Who enforces rental lease policies at this retail center?

How will the city enforce noise ordinances at the mosque?

Five calls to prayer every day will be heard at the Forge Innovation District, TTC, churches, neighborhoods, Elam Park, elementary schools, apartment complexes, and a golf course.

Why would the BA next comprehensive plan allow revenue, rentability, and property values to diminish?

I'm almost done.

I'm almost done.

The Islamic Society of Tulsas associated with care, designated a terrorist group by the states of Texas.

We're gonna have some four out there.

How much do you actually got?

We've got two sentences.

Okay, good.

Differing, differing neighborhood dynamics, tensions between cultures, tenant turnover, noise pollution, increased traffic and parking issues.

Do you want to attract more citizens to this part of BA or not?

Please vote no on both issues.

Thank you.

Okay, so if I don't shut you off.

Sorry, I will.

No, no, that's fine.

If I don't shut you off, then everybody else will want to add a minute, two minutes, whatever, so we can't do that.

So next up is Chris Jacobson, then Bo Stahl on deck, and after Bo, Linda M.

Okay.

Uh thank you, Commissioners, uh, for allowing me to speak and also for what all you do.

Okay.

Uh I'm here as a um name, please.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Chris Jacobson.

I live at roughly 131st.

You don't have to say your address.

And 129th.

I'm trying to give you a relative thing.

Okay.

So I live on 15 acres, I've been here 31 years.

Okay.

My concern is the septic sewage aspect.

The issue I have is the Park Oak Grove was built to the north of me on 80 acres, and I live on the 15 acres south of it.

They do they don't have sewage, as we all know, so they have anaerobic systems out there.

When I moved here 31 years ago, I could go anywhere on my property.

I cannot go on the south end of my property because of all the water that's coming out of these anaerobic systems.

So if you go back to the picture, where the mosque is going to be built is on the high ground.

And that's where the perk is going to be.

That's going to be a parking lot.

You're not going to perk a parking lot.

Okay.

Where I live is the old riverbank.

So on the south side of my property, it's very porous.

On the north side of my property is the overbank.

And I'm a petroleum engineer, so I know a little bit about this.

That dirt up there is like talcum powder.

Okay.

Nothing soaks through it.

So what I'm concerned about is you're creating a major drainage problem for the people that are down dip south of that property.

I mean, I'm really being serious here.

Okay.

Second thing.

This is the most is we saw the dual the purpose of the event center.

That was going to be a steakhouse.

And then the steakhouse was going to have gambling machines.

And the Muskogee nation had to intervene for two years and take control of that property.

So it's not like we haven't had this issue before.

Same thing on the northwest side.

That's the southwest side of that.

On the northwest side, the city of Broken Arrow had to intervene to stop that casino being built there.

So again, guys, we've we've seen this before.

So if we're a little sensitive, there's a reason.

Okay.

Third thing, traffic.

In the mornings, we back up past the cemetery.

In fact, we back up to where the old Peach House was.

Used to go there.

Some of us loved that place.

That was a good mess.

But my point to you is the city olive look aspen used to look like olive.

It was one lane.

And the city had the foresight to widen that out, and now look at the development we have over there.

This is premature.

We're going to have another exacerbated traffic problem.

And my concern is why would we want a mosque taking up this land when we could have commercial development at the appropriate time when we have the facilities?

And I'm out of here.

Thank you.

All right, thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Okay, next up, Bo Stahl.

After Bo, Linda M on deck, and after Linda, John McCabe.

Good afternoon.

My name is Bo.

I've been married 41 years.

I have eight children, six of which are adopted.

I am a disabled vet.

I chose Tulsa County to raise my children.

My youngest is eight years old.

I am here to ask you to consider what you're doing.

Yes, this is a coding issue.

And the reason I'm asking you to consider this as a coding issue.

I grew up in Saudi Arabia.

Come on.

I've been in over 40 countries.

My husband and I oversee over 5,000 ministries worldwide.

Most of them are in Muslim countries.

I've been in Afghanistan, Pakistan, UAE, Qatar, Sudan, Uganda, Congo.

I've seen refugees.

I've seen pastors whose body have been cut up.

I've seen Muslims who have been chopped up and killed and murdered.

Yes, this is a code issue.

It takes a little seed to create great oaks.

And it takes good men to do nothing to create create great evils.

This is a beautiful town.

And we've chose to relocate from Alaska to live here and make this home.

We did not come here to bring our children to a hellhole.

I grew up there.

I heard the call of prayer five times a day, and you say it won't happen here, but it will.

I've hid women in my home from the abuse.

I've hid men to get out of the country from from being honor killed.

I've lived it firsthand.

This is not what we want in Tulsa.

This is not what we want in Broken Arrow or in Oklahoma or in the United States of America.

We are land of the free and home of the brave.

Do not give up our freedom so easily.

For it has been fought with a heavy price.

Stand for freedom.

Freedom for all people.

But protect it with your lives, for so many of us have.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, coming up is Linda M on deck is John McCabe.

And after John McCabe, Tammy Kiefer.

That's fine.

Thank you for having us come and be able to share what's going on.

I am an ordained minister.

Please speak.

Please.

I am an ordained minister and I stayed in Christian.

And that's mainly why I'm here tonight.

I've been wanting to do that.

We need your name all of you.

Please stand it.

Thank you.

I've been wanting to talk to the city council too.

And all of the police force.

We do have some.

She did Linda M.

We do have some police that are interested in this, but John Guandola.com.

You need to you need to find out more information there.

They will come and train you to see what's going on.

But the FBI released in 200 14.

A um 2019.

Um the explanatory memorandum on general strategic goals for the Brotherhood in North America.

They are tied to every mosque of the North American uh Islamic society.

It says, This is an actual document used in the courts.

The process of settlement of civilization, the Aquan, which is the Muslim Brotherhood, must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated.

And God's our Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religions.

Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves to jihad yet.

And there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.

This is from Mohammed Okram, the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1991, is when they put this together.

This is done known by the president.

That's why he's working so hard to stop this now.

And it's not that we don't love you.

Amen.

We do, but brother.

Ma'am, you have to address us.

We have to learn to live in peace together and stop lying to the governments and ma'am.

You need to talk in the microphone so we can get it on record.

Not everybody is radicalized.

Right.

But if they follow Sharia, they are, they will be.

And it's their they ch they train their kindergarten kids to wave swords and kill Christians and Jews.

This is on video.

This is from the this is from the FBI.

So get training.

John Gondola, G-U-A-N-D-O-L or O L O dot com.

Get your officers trained.

It's coming.

And they have a mandate right now.

That's why this is being built.

They have a mandate to move out from Michigan, New York, Texas.

They're coming.

And see, they're trying to kick them out of Texas, so a lot of them are come wanting to come up here too.

It is a jihad.

Thank you.

Take heart to that.

John Gondol Wandola.com.

Thank you.

And this friend here next.

He was a former Muslim.

He knows everything.

You need to be able to do that.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, John McCain.

Thanks.

Then Tammy Kiefer on deck.

And then after Tammy, Carmen Kareemy.

Good evening, Chairman, Commissioners.

Thank you for allowing me to talk.

My name is John McCabe.

I live in Broken Arrow for over 25 years.

The county of Tulsa for over 45.

First thing I want to address has to do with the sewage issue.

I would like to know what floodplain that that track of land is.

Is that a hundred-year flood plan?

Well, I'm sure it's I'm sure it's a blue stream.

I'm sure it's got a floodplain.

It's got a hundred year and it's got 500 year on it.

So I would I would have to ask the engineering.

I would like to know.

Okay.

And the reason being is we live in Oklahoma and we know that 100-year flood plans happen every 20 years or less.

Keep that in mind.

And whatever you do, make sure it meets a five-year standard that they're going to have surface runoff from their from their wastewater.

There's requirements they have to go by, state and federal.

That's one issue.

The second issue has to do with disturbing the peace.

Okay.

And I know they talked about saying their prayers won't get outside of the four walls of their mosque or circle of their mosque.

Anyhow, I would like to let everybody know that the city of Broken Arrow just updated their section 1612, disturbing the peace, adding a new subsection, addressing noise.

And the bottom line of that is that they have amended it so that noise can exceed the excessive limit for up to 10 minutes.

So that means if a minaret or outside communication devices are put up, they could say their prayer for up to 10 minutes, broadcasting out where you say 300 yards in a 300 feet in a residential area.

It doesn't address emotional or local churches.

And so unless y'all can put something in the document stating that for 99 years, no outside minaret or speaker system will be allowed.

Fine.

Keep that in mind.

If you don't put that in there, then at five years from now, if that mosque is built, they're gonna be back here asking for that minaret.

I guarantee you.

Okay, the second thing I want to address has to do with uh Sharia law.

That says all politics is local, right?

Well, here I am local.

Sharia law is the political arm of the Muslim faith, is not their religious arm.

So Sharia law is a political arm of the Muslim faith, and it's not compiled with our United States Constitution.

Regardless of what Oklahoma courts have ruled, this country is ruled by the people and for the people, not just for the courts.

God has the final say, so be careful how you rule, because if you rule against our covenant constitution we have with God, like Israel has, then you're going against what God wants.

Thank you for your time.

Okay, Tammy Kiefer, then Carmen Kareem, and then Jamie Vitel.

Good thing you can do this.

Good evening.

My name is Tammy Kiefer.

I'm a retired veteran.

I have over 20 years of active duty experience, and I was on active duty during uh Afghanistan and Iraq.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

My question to you that I don't think anybody has brought forward is the North American Islamic Trust or NAT is part of a network of organizations, including the ISNA, CAIR, and the MSA.

They work in concert to push the extreme sect of Islam within the United States.

Or Nate, sorry.

Serves Muslims in the United States and their institutions.

Nate facilities facilitates the realization of the American Muslim's desire for a Sharia compliant way.

In my training in the military, I have had, I was forced to learn how to wear the headdress.

What happens if they use Sharia law here?

I'm walking down the street.

I'm a Christian.

My son is Jewish.

What happens then?

Am I gonna be forced to wear the headdress?

Am I gonna be forced in the United States to wear a hijab?

I have lots of military members in my community.

Do you know how much trauma they will have by listening to the call of prayer five times a day?

We served our country.

We retired from our country.

We want to live in peace and quiet.

Okay.

So my first question is under this Nate.

Okay, isn't the CAIR designated as a terrorist organization through both Texas and Florida?

That's a problem.

Are you going to require forensic accounting of all their assets?

The second one is I don't think it should be here.

This is a Christian country.

They should not be here.

Thank you.

And thank you for serving our country.

All right.

Next up is I think it's Cameron Kareem, and then Jamie Battel on deck after that, and then John Heffins.

I appreciate the opportunity to stand before you and share for a few minutes.

Please state your name.

I'm Cameron.

Thank you.

Carrie Me.

Um I want to, I want to bring a different perspective on this.

Good, thank you.

That we I live in Tulsa.

I've been here since 1982.

I came to America 47 years ago, leaving a nation that we've all heard about for the past 47 years, about what the atrocity they've caused around the world.

Iran.

Okay.

And make no mistake about what we're doing right here.

Absolutely make no mistake.

What we are hearing, and I thank God for every one of our servicemen here and the veterans that have spoken and the believers that have spoken about this.

I say this because this whole Islamic mosque, it's not about worship.

It's about a statement.

Amen.

It's about inducing fear in the community, which is the root of Islam.

Now I love my brother.

He's my I I've given my life to Christ to serve the Muslims and bring the truth to them for 35 years as a as a pastor.

And I always say this.

Once you experience Jesus Christ and see him, you'll never be deceived.

You need to talk to the market.

As I said, once any of you, if you haven't, come on.

See Jesus, you'll never be the same.

That's what happened with this boy.

I was in business, very successful, and the proof of the pudding is in the eating, right?

So we say this.

The reality is when you experience this experience of Christ, you're willing to let it go.

Let everything go on following him.

Now I say that for this reason.

This whole thing, in a practical way, if you look at it, as I said, this whole thing is about a statement.

If you don't believe me, watch news.

Watch the news.

Watch what just happened last week.

Now I'm not calling my brother that because I I by just looking at him, I don't believe that's the case about him.

I really do.

No.

I have great Muslim friends.

Like I said, I came from a Muslim background.

But the reality is this.

This whole thing that we're talking about here, I'm gonna read this to you.

The North American Islamic Trust, we've heard several times on this on this.

You need to check the finances.

Where the money the Lord told me this yesterday.

Follow the money trail.

If you don't, you know what happens?

Once they become majority, they'll have your position.

And they'll they'll basically give orders to do whatever they want to do.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, so Jamie.

Thank you for fixing that.

John Heffins on deck.

And then Robert Easton on deck.

Hello, my name is Jamie Pazell.

I'm a little parched because I've been here for a couple hours without any water.

Um I am here to oppose this oppose this to protect the future of my children.

And please bear with me while I explain.

I know you guys are shooting down the religion aspect of it.

Oh, thank you so much.

Uh oh.

You're eating your car now.

Thank you.

Um anyways, I have three minutes.

The mosque does not fit with the city's comprehensive plan and should therefore be voted down.

And I'm gonna go into the religion aspect of this.

In the 70s, women in Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan were as free as we are in America today.

We were free to dress and speak with freedom as I stand here speaking to each and every one of you.

There is a reason Europe is taking precautions to protect Christian like celebrations when mosques seem to be untouched.

We are the peaceful and they are the threat.

In summary, Sharia law says they will not assimilate, but they will dominate, take over, and anyone who stands in the way will need to die.

The ironic part is those who stick up for this are often liberal who go against everything this religion practices and with their law would die of stoning, thrown from a high place, burned alive, and so on.

Things they still practice to this day.

An ex-Muslim has said, you love the chicken, help the chicken, you feed the chicken until it's time to cut off its head.

That is the way of Sharia law.

They play the part, then breed and dominate.

If you don't believe me, read the Quran.

While some can construe the words of the Bible, Christians do not actively harm their followers or otherwise.

I'd like I'd also like to shine light on the Nigerian people and the slaughter of their people.

Where is the news on that?

They are silent between 2009 and two 2023 in Nigeria, at least 52,000 Christians killed, 18,500 abducted, and unlikely to have survived, and more than 20,000 churches and Christian schools attacked.

Again, where's the news on that?

No.

I will not say silent while the great state of Oklahoma gets destroyed, like the many countries, and most recently the state of Michigan has.

Thank you.

And also I would like to say that I was just out in the area of the hall.

And my friend was approached another individual and just wanted to communicate with him and ask him questions.

And she is of she's Jewish and Arab and the Palestinian individual became quite aggressive.

So I just wanted to put that out there.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, so up next is John Heffins.

On deck, Robert Easton.

And after Robert, Gary Geiger.

Thank you.

John Huffines.

Thank you, Chair and Commissioners, for this opportunity to speak.

I'm here to respectfully support keeping this approximately 15-acre track.

Track zoned agriculture to remain agriculture.

And to emphasize that the land itself holds significant value in its open form.

Often greater than whatever might be placed on it.

Open land is not an empty space awaiting use.

It is a working asset within the city's planning framework.

Agricultural zoning preserves land in a condition that supports spatial balance, providing relief from overconcentration and allowing development to occur in a measured intentional pattern.

This balance strengthens the overall land use structure and supports long-range planning.

Equally important, open land performs essential natural functions that developed land cannot replicate.

In its open form, land absorbs stormwater, supports a natural drainage pattern, supports natural draining patterns, and contributes to groundwater recharge.

These processes reduce runoff and downstream impacts and help protect infrastructure and in Vermont environmental systems beyond the boundaries of this parcel.

Once land is rezoned and developed, these intrinsic values are permanently reduced.

Even well designed development cannot fully restore the natural performance of open land.

Preserving agricultural zoning protects these benefits today while maintaining options for the future.

For these reasons, I respectfully ask, I respectfully ask the commission to recommend keeping the current agricultural zoning in place.

Thank you for your time and service.

And strength for you all for the rest of the night.

Thank you.

Okay, coming up is Robert Easton.

On deck is Gary Geiger, and after Gary is Didi Millaire, I believe is the way you say that.

Hi, my name is Robert Easton.

I've been in the community here at Brokenaro in Tulsa for 26 years as a paramedic.

I uh just recently retired to go actually volunteer in the Israeli army.

Um was over there when the the war started.

Um understand things about uh uh you know the the whole issue with Islam and you know I was over there when the war started, and you know the communities right next to Gaza, you know, they were very progressive, uh wanted to do everything they could do to relate with uh Gaza.

You know, they had them in their homes, found out that they were casing their homes, getting things ready for attack.

You have to understand that to people who are in Islam, anybody who's not of Islam is uh an infidel, and they don't treat them as humans, they don't think of them as humans.

And uh I I watched that experience, and uh you know, even in this community as a paramedic instructor teaching terrorism, had uh a film that was approved by my supervisor uh polled from me because it was found out in the Islamic community and Tulsa Islamic community that it was uh something that was exposing what's going on in the world, and it wouldn't shed a good light on them, and it was uh taken from me.

So just realize there's an influence in this community, there's influence going on, lots of money, but again, I have to understand where it's coming from.

It's not good.

And uh the impact on our community of this darkness.

You know, I was really impacted by listening to the lady who lived in Saudi Arabia.

It uh you know, when you live in a country like that, um it really does impact you.

And it is seriously psychological warfare that goes on because you're hearing five o'clock in the morning five times a day, you're hearing this.

And again, that principle of lying to get what you need.

Um, you know, they come in.

There's basically three things that I've found.

They'll offer you the irreligion.

Secondly, if you don't go for it, they're gonna find a way to get tribute out of you.

If you don't go for that now, they're gonna kill you, and that's just the truth.

You have to understand, look historically around the world, what's going on, understand it's coming from the east to the west.

Look at what's going on in London.

What's going on in all the European countries?

What's going on in Daredborne?

But thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, up next is Gary Geiger, then Didi Marl Mullaire, and then Steve Swagger.

After that.

Gary Geiger.

Is there anyone still in the overflow room?

Do we know?

Yes.

There is some?

Okay.

Okay.

How about Didi Millaire?

Steedy, anywhere close.

Okay.

Steve Swagger.

Okay.

Deborah Parkhurst.

Did anybody else here sign up that hadn't spoken yet that you signed up to speak?

Okay, what's your George Schaefer?

Okay, we'll look real quick.

While we're waiting some of the others, they may be in the overflow room.

What was his name?

Chaefer.

Okay, well, I'm just gonna.

What was that gentleman's name?

What was your name?

Schaefer?

Schaefer.

Yes, I saw.

Okay.

And you are did we call your name?

No, sir.

All right, well, hold on.

There's a lot of people, sorry.

We've got a lot of a lot of names, and they may have left.

I don't know.

Mary.

Bishop Bowling.

Just call them.

Yeah.

Because I'm not finding okay.

Okay.

All right.

So um Mark Samowski.

Smithowski.

Raise your hand when we call your name and we'll have you come up.

Okay.

Uh Olaf can her up.

Mary Ann Colston.

Come on, Miss Mary Ann.

Thank you.

You can pull that mic down.

Yeah.

Thank you, Commissioners, for allowing us to speak.

I've tried speaking in other public meetings and was denied the opportunity.

So every time I have a chance, I want to make sure that you all understand that I appreciate it because the Open Meeting Act says we can witness it, but we don't have the absolute right to speak.

Well, we've been waiting all night for you.

You're welcome.

Anyway.

If you would state your name for the record.

Mary Ann Colston.

Thank you, Mary.

Resident of City Limits of Brooken Arrow.

Okay.

A little bit of background quickly.

Um I've served on many steering committees within the city of Brookenaro over the years.

I was very deeply involved with getting the drainage advisory committee going, as well as the proposition to give uh give us the uh flooding problems.

And so this is going to be focused primarily because there have been some other points that I don't need to make any more.

Thank you.

On the flooding as well as the sewage system.

It's kind of been briefly talked about, um, but I do have grave concerns because on the uh site plan, it talked uh it shows a sewage area.

Keep going.

Yeah.

Keep going.

There you go.

In the lower kind of right-hand side next to the pond that it shows, it shows a sewage area.

That's so close to that creek, and that creek is White Church Creek, which does feed into it's a tributary to Hakey Creek.

And I do have concerns that DEQ would have a problem with that sewage being that close to a major tributary to one of the largest creek systems in the city of Brookenaro.

Um, but I do have I have been able to mark off a lot of my points.

Um citizens require that all decisions be based with the absolute goal of public safety, welfare, environmental constraints, and infrastructure capacity, and is neutral as to any specific proposed use.

Um my comments focus on the physical and environmental constraints of this site.

The subject tract is partially located within the Hakey Creek watershed.

Um again, the white church creek is what feeds into Hakey Creek, and it's a designated greenway.

That designation carries real consequences for how the land can safely and responsibly be developed.

Floodplains impose inherent limitations on development intensity, emergency access, stormwater conveyance, long-term maintenance.

Rezoning this property to commercial general would increase development pressure within a constrained environmental corridor and heighten risk, not only on this site, but downstream as well.

The proposed commercial buildings and extensive parking areas introduce additional impervious surface and in close proximity to these drainage features.

That affects runoff patterns, flood storage capacity, long-term maintenance obligations.

These are not abstract concerns, they are predictable outcomes of intensifying development in flood-affected areas.

Thank you very much.

I hope that you will take that into consideration.

One of the things I need to remind everybody is that the conceptual aerial that we see right now, it that's not locked in.

So that septic field that they're showing would probably change quite a bit based on the requirements they have to follow too.

And I understand that.

But this area is very close to that area.

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

So if they're going to be having they don't have um sanitary sewer, which would take away that issue.

Yeah.

Right.

Then with the the sewage and uh the talking about with septic or anaerobic, I think it would be a problem.

But they're they're trying to get their ducks in a row first before they spend all the money on engineering and stuff.

And I and I understand your position, your recommending body.

So I appreciate your time and your help.

Thank you.

Bye.

All righty.

So are you Mark?

Gary Thomas.

Okay.

I didn't call your name previously.

Okay.

Umlaf.

Okay.

Michelle DeBoer.

De Bauer, De Boer.

There you go.

Just put the others in the back.

Thank you for hearing us out.

There are some concerns.

My first concern is we didn't do a pledge to the flag.

And saying we pledge our allegiance to our republic, the laws of this land, our constitution.

We the people have spoken tonight.

We the people matter more than your zoning, matter more than you know, plans that have been made.

You've heard the people tonight.

Our constitution is about listening to the voice of the people.

But if you won't listen to the voice of the people, you need to listen to the law.

So you have some laws you have to consider.

Oklahoma law says no foreign countries can own land in Oklahoma.

So there's a little caveat because of U.S.

law now being upheld better, that caveat is going away or gone.

So basically, they should not, they should be selling that land.

They don't have the right to have that ownership of that land.

You can't zone, and you can't do conditional use permits when you're breaking U.S.

and Oklahoma law.

Secondly, we have a situation where most churches want a 501 C3, most houses of worship.

Did you know it is against the IRS school code for a church to rent commercial property?

These people are gonna have commercial property.

Excuse me.

So they're not gonna do 501c3.

Are you winking at them and saying, Oh, break the law?

Go ahead.

Because if you are, you're becoming liable.

You're setting up your city to be liable to be sued.

You're setting yourself up personally because you're doing it before the fact.

There's another thing.

I'm hearing about drainage.

There's a law about drainage.

It's called common law drainage.

Common law drainage is you take care that when you have water flowing from upstream, that the downstream people are not affected.

Doesn't sound like that's being considered either.

It seems like we have to pay attention to the law a little bit more.

And then lastly is that um I just have to check my notes here one more thing so I don't forget something.

The US opposes terrorist organizations that are supporting businesses, whatever.

And here it is.

We know mosques give to terrorist organizations.

Why are we allowing somebody to establish a situation that will give to the terrorists?

I say please vote no.

Pay attention to U.S.

law and Oklahoma law.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

Um the next one is Nathan Dunn, Nathan Dunn, and then Amira Elasmarie.

Any of those or any of the Odells?

Okay, there's Nathan.

And then there's a trio of Odells.

Are there any of the Odells here?

Braden Odell, Tanya O'Dell, Gary O'Dell.

Anybody wish their name was Odell.

Yeah, we're going to have to do that.

Put the map back up.

Which which one do you want?

That one right there?

Uh the other one.

The platform.

The comprehensive plan more.

The plat.

That one?

Yeah, or the what's the other one.

Or the aerial.

Yeah, let's look at the air.

All right.

Yeah.

All right.

Um my name is Nathan Daum and uh a resident of Broken Arrow.

Thank you all.

I know you are in appointed positions, uh, having served in elected office.

I appreciate your service here.

I know this is a long meeting, not necessarily what you always signed up for, but appreciate you hearing from all of us.

Um I will say that at this point in time, I don't see how any of you can vote yes, because everyone that has spoken in favor has given you feelings on why and no reasons outside of that.

Um in fact, the very first gentleman invoked uh Charlie Kirk.

And so I will point out that Charlie Kirk was correct when he said that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization.

So if we want to talk about it from that perspective, we can, but I also know that you need facts and reasoning why.

So if we look at this map that's currently up here because we people asked about the church below it, Walnut Grove, you'll see that they have a parking lot and a building.

That parking lot is one-sixth the size of what they are proposing because that has 120 parking spots, and they're saying they're gonna have 750.

That building then would also be one-sixth the necessary size to be able to host that same number of people.

So you're telling me that that parking lot and that building six times over will fit in that smaller square with a commercial center on it as well, and with their septic system and green space retainage, everything else that's going to happen.

That's not possible.

Okay.

So if you just look at that, just do a simple overlay.

You say that this will you can see that this will not work.

There was also the question about life church.

Life church, their parking lot is about 350, so half the size of what's proposed.

And if you were to overlay it, you'll look that and see that the entire area of the Life Church facility is basically the same as that entire tract of land.

There's no way that this will work.

Traffic was also brought brought up.

Life Church is on a street that has five lanes of traffic.

This street has two lanes of traffic.

The person that came up here earlier and was scared by the words ingress, ingress and egress, said that just with the event center, which has about the same amount of parking as Walnut Grove Church, that already causes parking or traffic problems.

So you're telling me that an event center that occasionally has events already causes traffic problems, yet this facility is going to have six times the amount of parking is not going to cause traffic problems on a Friday during school hours or close to school hours when school is letting out and everything else.

There's all kinds of reasons that have been given to you.

I understand that there have been emotional pleas.

There have been religious pleas as well, but you all have been given all kinds of reasons to vote no.

And so far you have not been given any reasons to actually vote yes.

I understand that you are recommending body.

I understand that you're looking at taking two different votes.

I'm not as familiar with the city level of open meetings act, but I would be concerned about taking two different votes that are not tied to each other if that was not published in the official notice for this meeting as well.

So I would encourage all of you to vote no on this because you have not been received given any reason to vote yes.

So I encourage each and every one of you to vote no.

Thank you very much.

That's interesting.

You should when you said that, because I think somebody else mentioned that too that maybe I uh we I didn't shut off anybody that was talking for the applicant or whatever.

But the applicants provided all the information that they needed right now for the tonight's meeting, and the and now don't stop me on this, to present this is our case, this is what we're wanting to do.

You it's it you guys are out here wanting to do to speak uh in opposition.

So yes, you're gonna defend it.

So the people that's already that are saying for, talking for the applicant, the applicant's already provided the stuff for, they're just backing them up if that makes sense.

No, I understand the applicants.

So I understand whether it's the applicant making the case, but the individuals that have come up to support what the applicants are whether haven't defended why.

What else would they add?

Well, but they're they're just adding their opinion to it, and you've made it abundantly clear that that's not going to sway you one way or the other.

You weren't interested in hearing opinions opposed to it, but it seems like you were okay with hearing opinions in favor of it just based on the opinion aspect of it.

Asking us to provide facts in opposition.

In the way of the parking itself, that there may be that many X amount of parking, and I could understand what you're saying, and it's the uh walnut grove is a sixth of it or whatever.

We're not by okay, we have to zoning.

On a two-lane road, not a five lane.

Okay.

Now we got the zoning.

They're wanting to request they're requesting a change of zoning from an AG to a C G.

Okay, that has nothing to do with parking, what we're talking about there, right?

That's just a category, the land use intensity system.

Then on the entity around it is still H.

Hear me out.

So then what they want to do is they want to go to a conditional use permit.

Okay.

So they're asking for a place of assembly.

Now, even though there's been talk about these parking stuff stalls in there, if it was approved, we're not locked in to that that amount of parking, correct?

We're just uh we're just uh saying that a place of assembly.

If it was approved, they could put in.

So none of that's actually locked in.

Am I correct?

Correct.

Yeah.

But you're planning on approving it with that event.

When they go in there and do their actual design that, hey, we finally got approval if they get approval through us through the city council, because we're recommending body, then they would go in there and start detailing engineering-wise and find out we can't get that many parking.

We have to provide on-site storage, we have to have our septic system.

We got to do whatever, and that's gonna decrease the amount of parking stalls.

But then you can't accept what the applicant provided as fact in favor of it then.

Pardon?

What the applicant provided you can't accept as fact in favor of it then.

Well, that's their that's what they're targeting.

It may not happen when they spend engineer with the money and to get the engineering done.

Okay, then then vote no based on what they're targeting.

Okay.

But you see what I'm saying, though, right?

I understand where you're coming from.

They're not locked into that right now.

And and if they were approved, they're still not locked into that amount of parking.

Okay.

But it's the it's the target and the target will cause increased traffic.

Thanks.

Okay.

And so we'd encourage you to vote no.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

I want to I'm sorry, I just want to say something real quick.

How many were in favor or wanted to speak in favor of it?

Do we did we have that number?

Uh speak in favor, I did not have that number, but I have like uh only a handful left.

Yeah, so let's say less than a dozen, right?

But well overtake 50, 60 wanted to oppose it.

So out of respect of everybody's time.

It wasn't about we're gonna let people in favor of it say whatever they want, and those that are not in favor of it, we're gonna keep them silent.

That wasn't the case.

It was when you have that many people speaking, you're gonna start having redundancies in beating a dead horse.

So we want people to say what they they feel and and share that information.

But for the sake of everybody's time, we did not want to have a 10-hour session.

So by just saying, hey, let's keep it this way.

So don't think we're I've already made a decision one way or another.

And I just want to be clear on that and why that was stated the way it was stated.

Okay.

If that makes sense.

But there's also was a number of individuals that signed that they were in they were in favor of, but they didn't want to speak.

So is a mirror, yeah.

45.

So is a mirror as a lot a lasmerie here?

A mirror?

Okay, moving on.

Any of the Odells?

No.

Okay.

Brooklyn Forbes.

Okay, Brenda Long.

Jeff Hill.

Jeff Hill.

Corey.

Brain.

Calvin Crawford.

Doug Consell.

Brenda Councilman.

Can I take her, please?

What is your name?

If you're close, I'll get you.

No.

I did put a pink slip there.

That's fine.

I'm looking.

Um Thomas Horderer, Palman.

Teresa Powell.

Come on, Teresa.

Eva Sierra.

Clint Fulton.

Any of those folks in here?

Okay, there you go.

You're on deck.

And you are.

Brenda Long.

Okay.

Brenda, you'll be on deck and then Clint.

Go ahead.

Hi.

Sorry, I can't hear because of a sinus infection, so I do not mean to be yelling at you.

That's okay.

I'm here today to discuss our beautiful community.

I've lived in Broken Arrow nine years, and I live four blocks from the opposed, the proposed area.

Our roads are small.

They've already they're already near capacity during peak hours.

A building that brings in large numbers of vehicles at specific times of day and at week could create safety issues and level of congestions.

Our streets are just not designed to handle in that area.

I'm also concerned about our noise levels and parking overflow.

In neighborhoods like ours, increased traffic and vehicles lining the streets will directly affect residents' quality of life.

I believe council should closely review the parking and crowding will be made and how crowding will be managed.

What steps will be taken to prevent disruption to the nearby homes?

Additionally, we are a small city.

Our infrastructure is limited.

Our water systems, our septic capacity, and drainage are all very vulnerable in this area.

You've heard it from everyone.

You've heard it over and over.

I know I'm not presenting anything new, but I want to thank you for your time.

And in closing, I just want to ask respectfully that you move slowly and ensure the decision protects the peace, safety, and character of our community.

Broken arrow and God we trust.

Thank you.

Okay, Brenda, you're up.

Then Clint Fulton and then Derek Mills.

Perfect.

I was on okay.

Yep.

During World War II and the Vietnam War, can you state your name, ma'am?

I'm sending along.

There you go.

Being here all my life.

I'm almost 70 years old.

That's fine.

You look good.

During World War II, thank you very much.

And the Vietnam War, the practice of broadcasting propaganda over loudspeakers at a high volume, from early in the morning to late at night was considered psychological warfare or psych war.

If we take an example of the psychological warfare that was used back then and compare it to the practice of the Islamic call to prayer, we will see this is very closely resemble each other.

Both are from early in the morning to late at night and all during the day.

Both are extremely loud to reach as many in the community as possible.

Both use foreign confusing language to most Americans.

Both use propaganda, and before anybody gets excited about that, the definition of propaganda is information, especially of a bias or misleading nature used to promote a particular cause, belief, doctrine, or point of view.

So call it what you want to propaganda or prayer.

It would be propaganda for me to go to a Muslim nation, praising my Jesus is the only way to heaven.

So the similarities are there.

Vote can cause sleep deprivation deprivation due to the loud early morning noise to late at night.

Both are can cause confusion and fear being woke up in the middle of the night to uh loud foreign language repeating over and over the same sayings could be very confusing to most and most important the ones that could trigger PTSD episodes, especially among those that's had to suffer this type of violent treatment while serving in the military.

It is a known treatment of violence that has been used as late as Waco and at the Waco siege.

So in short, I don't have a problem with the mosque as a building.

It's not what goes into a man that defies it, but what comes out.

And so I say that we need, I know you're zoning people, and you've got to make these laws and and codes.

There needs to be a code from day one that that stuff ain't never going to be put on loudspeakers and sent out for two mile radius five times a day.

Come on.

You talk about freedom religion, my freedom is I don't want to hear that.

Thank you.

All right.

So Clint Fulton's coming up, then Derek Mills, and then after that is Heather Simon in here.

Heather Simon.

Nope.

Okay.

Um Marnaz Anderson.

Go ahead.

Uh hello, I'm Clint Fulton of Broken Arrow.

Thank you for having me.

Um what I'm gonna say is probably redundant, and you call it redundant, but I don't care.

I'm gonna say it anyways.

Um I strongly am against uh uh rezoning of the lot that's along all of south of the Creek Turnpike.

Um I believe that it's gonna be a uh definitely a safety safety issue.

Um I we all know I'm not great of a speaker, but I'm just gonna reiterate what everybody said.

These people, the Muslims that are uh putting this mosque, they're being pushed and funded by outsource countries, outsource wicked people, and you may think my opinion doesn't matter because it's religious, but it does.

Uh we um let's see.

You may think that what I'm saying is hypocritical because there's a church right there below this lot, and I'm against uh another religious organization, but that's a separate issue.

The Christian church is not out there causing any harm or threatening people threatening people.

So the Muslims, we know, and they're gonna lie to your face, okay.

So we are infidels to them.

If you're not one of them, you're an infidel, and they are taught in their Korean that they are to smile to our face, curses to our to our backs.

Um, we know that's true.

We've seen it in other countries in this effect.

Um look at what they're doing over in Europe, um New York.

I'm just repeating what everyone else has said, but I speak for many of broken arrow, the majority of broken arrow citizens who are opposed to this mosque being here.

Um, as they they're gonna come in if you allow this, they're gonna come in and they're gonna come in subtly, they're gonna comply, they're gonna you know abide by your zoning um loopholes and all that.

But it may not be us that deals with the consequences, but it will be our children.

And I can't at least not try to stop it.

Okay.

Um I just can't.

Not much of a speaker, but I'm done fire.

Um they're a patient people, and they will wait decades to get to our children.

Like I said, it ain't gonna be us probably, but our kids will, and I'll um I'll die on my feet before I live on my knees.

So that's it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, so Derek Mills has Heather Simon come in the in the room.

Heather Simon.

No fingerplate.

I know, I know you'd love to.

You keep asking.

Um Marnaz Anderson.

Okay, David Giles.

Okay, Catherine Davis.

We keep putting the Schaefer name in the back.

Yeah.

All right, and then I I do know this person is here, Christy Gillespie.

So go ahead.

Um, Derek, and then Christy Gillespie.

Thank you for this opportunity.

Thank you very much for this opportunity.

Everything I had written on my notes has pretty much been covered by most of the people here.

Is this a great country or what?

Excuse me.

All of us can get together.

Can you give us your name and pull the microphone up, please?

Sorry.

And then you need to you need to dress, not that.

All right.

Again, is this a great country or what?

We can all get together here.

Name, please.

We can all share our opinions.

What's your name?

Name, please.

What's your state your name?

Sorry.

Okay, thank you.

Uh Derek Mills.

Thank you.

We live in South Broken Arrow, less than 10 miles from this proposed thing.

Thanks.

Now, the one thing I have not heard mentioned here with this planning commission.

Is right where the yellow signs are that give public notice.

Okay.

It's it's high traffic.

People zoom by there at speed limit, believe me.

But those signs are sitting parallel to the road.

You drive by, you see a yellow flash.

I didn't notice it until today.

I drive that road every day, five days a week, 4 30 in the morning.

I never noticed them till I took a look today.

Everybody's mentioned that the casino on the other side that got refused.

I don't know how long they've been there.

I'm sure the law was followed to place them there.

But they're not visible.

That's like putting a stop sign sideways or putting a speed limit sideways.

Anyway, what I wish to share with you is I'm an immigrant from England.

I've been here for a long time.

No accent, obviously.

Yeah.

From England.

The European community is in an uproar right now over refugee and asylum seekers.

People that are flooding into those countries aren't bringing in wives and children.

They're military age men.

Or younger.

They're coming in on rubber boats made in France into England, crossing that 22-mile strip of water, and rubber boats made in France.

I got I gotta tell you that when they first started 10 years ago, when all this immigration, this asylum seeking started ten years ago, those countries, part of the EU, took in per the EU agreement, so many people per capita.

Money was allotted for housing, food, medical is socialized medical over there, pretty much in the uh little island I'm from.

But as the percentage of the groups grew, the percentage of the groups of in the influx grew, it became more, it became loud, it became demanding.

And then those that had been there a long time got citizenship or born there prior to that 10-year influx.

They got the right to vote.

And in London, they block vote, they block voted in a guy named Sadiq Khan, Muslim mayor of London, city number one.

Birmingham about city number three.

I can't remember which is number two, but right now seven cities in England are under Muslim rule.

I do not have a problem with Muslims.

I have a problem with the way they have a problem with the appeasement, the division, and the conquest.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Tom.

Your name.

I'm sorry.

Catherine Davis.

Okay.

Go ahead, Miss Gillespie.

Oh, wait.

Okay.

Go ahead, Catherine.

And then Therese Lawless.

There you go.

My name is Catherine Davis.