Welcome to the Wednesday, March 11th, 2026.

Finance Utilities and Rules Committee meeting.

We have one item on our agenda this evening.

It's ordinance D-2811-26.

Article 5, Section 8-47 of the Carmel City Code.

Sponsors are Taylor and Warrow.

This ordinance is amending the regulation of parking on Autumn Drive.

It's one slight change on line 29 of the ordinance in our package that changes on both sides of Autumn Drive from intersection with Third Avenue Southwest and its intersection with Atherton Drive to on the south side of Autumn Drive from the intersection with Third Avenue Southwest to its intersection with Atherton Drive.

If you'd show the just so we could show the image on the screen there.

Yeah, so it might be hard to see, but there's a green line there on the north side of that curb line between uh Third Avenue and uh this other road off Autumn Drive.

Uh currently no parking.

It would we would remove the no parking signs and allow parking.

Um there would be no parking within 30 feet of the crosswalk still, so that green line represents uh roughly 220 feet of parking, um a little more than 10 space, we'd probably be about 10 spaces.

Okay.

Uh so we when we consider whether there's on-street parking or not, uh we would look at uh the road widths is 36 feet wide.

You know, potentially that would qualify for parking on both sides, so certainly one side um would be within the bounds of when we would normally uh agree that parking is safe, uh not only safe, but uh where we allow parking on the road and people park is uh significant effect on speeds of roads, so it improves the safety in some aspects.

Uh so we would hope to see reduced uh speed on here because of roads uh cars parked on the road here.

So that's kind of the assessment that we make.

Obviously, we look at police and fire access and other implications for that.

There's no issues here with that, so uh we would be in support of allowing parking on the north side of the curb here.

Questions for Director Pease Councillor Warrell.

All right.

Um, so there used to be parking on Autumn Drive.

Correct.

And we removed that.

What year we looked at this and I should have brought it.

It was 10 years ago or something, I think.

Uh probably not 10 years ago.

I thought it was before you were on the council.

Didn't we?

Um my recollection was it was removed because of the Chris Kindle market parking.

So I maybe we should look at the ordinance.

Before the plating was constructed.

Yeah, so we did look at this because there was this is the confusion.

If I remember if I should have got this so we had to straight again.

We looked into this because we both thought that.

Right.

That was on Third Avenue.

So there was some people actually parking on Third Avenue because of the market, and more people get a little more aggressive with where they think you can park and not park.

And so technically, if you don't say no parking in some of these places, people could park there.

So they were the ordinance that you were a part of uh more recently was actually on Third Avenue parking near this entrance here.

Yeah, but I know we were getting complaints from Parkside uh you know about this.

But anyway, it wasn't people parking near I uh again I can go back and verify because I do want to make sure because I'm going off memory, I should have looked this up, but I I think the complaints were coming from this neighborhood because around this entrance right here, people were parking on Third Avenue making it difficult to get in and out.

Yeah.

We've we looked up the actual north side of this curb line.

I think that was more than 10 years old.

What that was related to, it was hard to determine about why they would go through and say no parking.

Um, you know, they don't always explain in the ordinance.

So regardless, um what is I mean during Chris Kindle market, yeah.

These spaces would probably be open game or okay.

So that would be something we considered, you know, now that things have changed even from when that was no parking.

Yeah, obviously this is uh close to event space, and people wanting to go to those events would likely park.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, so I I can see some value um for additional parking there.

You don't have an engineering reason not to park there.

Correct.

But we have received an email from the HOA.

I was just wondering if you could address I know you've addressed those, but could we publicly address that?

I can have it give them to you if uh if you need them.

No, I would say 2001.

Richard Warren's was in 2010.

Two no parking.

Okay, all right.

Oh, then I think people were just parking there illegally.

That's what it was.

Yeah.

Fort Chris Kindle, yeah.

Okay.

Some of the concerns um that were received were were allowed or uh uh based around the number of space, which we sort of addressed.

I think there was some confusion about how much space or what would happen with this parking because there was a description of uh a parking bump out in lanes plus on street parking, which confused me, you know, that would be a double parking situation, which is not what we're talking about.

Okay.

Um there was a comment that it's a resident residential street not intended for commercial use.

That's unrelated to the judgment we're gonna make about this parking, right?

It's not it's a local road that's not residential or commercial.

Right, it's a public road, so if there is increased traffic, the city is on the hook for you know potholes or whatever anyway.

Um so then there is a comment that people park here to the west.

I don't have it in this image, but to the west, it's sort of a dead end.

There are other ways out to the north, but if you're gonna go back out to third, there's no there's no uh exit besides coming back to third, and there is no connection to city center.

Legitimate question.

Um if you park on that side of the street and then you want to go back out to third, you are gonna have to turn around some way, either going through the neighborhood, U turn, three-point turn.

I would not expect a significant number of those that would cause an issue that would give me concern for safety from an engineering standpoint.

So it's something that we looked at first when we considered this.

There are a number of people that would you know take those movements to get out, all that should be safe, and again, really increase the safety.

So if people are U-turning on streets at these slow movements, it slows everybody down anyway.

So it's not something that we anticipate would be more dangerous.

But noted.

Um the path or the greenway.

There was some question about um yeah, the uh a future project that's uh under in concept phases right now that would be on the north side of Autumn Drive and extend through.

Obviously, we were working closely with the parks uh hand in hand on this project.

Um so we will work all those details out if that project comes.

There would right now we would do uh we would reconfigure this road again because it is 36 feet wide.

If we're gonna get in there anyway and make some adjustments, 36 feet wide is too wide for uh local road of this nature.

So we would include on-street parking with bump outs uh to further shrink the size of this road, have plenty of space for uh the path, uh, but address all those issues with the parks department.

So nothing related to what you would act on tonight would have any bearing on that one way or the other.

Okay.

Oh, there are there were some comments too from the individual about where the specific request came from.

Engineering does not take into account if one neighbor says I want this versus this, or a business wants to use this or that.

We looked at it, we look at things pretty objectively of should parking be allowed here or not.

Uh we may consider what type of people are gonna be parking there again, event space nearby.

How does that affect things if it's business use versus residential use, but you don't do something because someone asks us to because they're you know their business won't work if they don't have it, or I I don't want to buy this house if I don't have this, you know, we wouldn't take those things under consideration.

Okay.

So yeah, I think where the confusion came uh in my memory was um that people were ignoring the no parking signs.

That's what it was during Chris Kindle and the neighbors were complaining about that.

Um was now I do see as I as I reread this email, uh the other criticism was lack of um transparency.

Was was uh the neighborhood notified of this meeting present?

Um yeah uh they um we've been in discussions with um not only the the HOA president but also um another resident and then also the local the local business owners um near that area about this meeting service so that and I don't I don't know I don't know if there's anyone remonstrating tonight so okay I just want to make that point that I don't see anybody um here to have the the discussion which is what committee work is for so I just want to make sure they were notified so all right thank you sir um questions Councilman Actually Jeff hit all my high notes so I really don't have uh too many other questions and I I just the south side that's still no parking correct correct so with this with the with the size of the street as it is now 36 feet adding those additional 10 parking spaces would cause no other issues parking is really only seven feet so there's three twelve foot lanes there and this is supposed to be two way traffic so you can

Um actually Jeff hit all my high notes, so I really don't have uh too many other questions.

And I I just the south side, that's still no parking, correct?

Correct.

So with this with the with the size of the street as it is now, 36 feet, adding those additional 10 parking spaces would cause no other issues.

Parking is really only seven feet.

So there's three 12 foot lanes there.

And this is supposed to be two-way traffic.

So you could take 12 feet out and still, I mean, really, you could do a lot less.

So the parking's only only eight feet of that.

So you're left with plenty of road.

And I I mean I can see I can see the arguments on both sides.

I mean, you know, if you live on a cul-de-stack and somebody drives down your street, parks on your street, and they have to turn around, they're gonna have to turn around some way.

Yep.

We just don't have a cul-de-sac in this situation, is what basically what we're looking for.

Right.

There are some opportunities to do some three-point turns and things like that.

There is no official turnaround at the end of this.

Right.

But I was just using that as an analogy.

So noted um, you know.

Yeah, okay.

No.

Jeff, pretty our council royal hit most of my high my questions.

So thank you.

And I think just in general, for our residential neighborhoods, um, anywhere in the central core, is you know, the concern that was brought up and identified in our parking study, which is an enforcement and that um speaking with one uh so reached out by two residents, uh residences about uh residents about this issue, and um the big concern is enforcement because they actually have the residential parking sticker program a little bit further down, and their concern is that's not even enforced.

Um so could you touch a little bit about we talked about this last time or last council meeting a little bit about you know the city's plans to help it uh enforce um parking.

Yeah, so so in full transparency, this will come in phases, so uh some of the things I might go over uh you're not gonna see overnight.

But we are working on uh a different system and a new technology that'll help us enforce a lot better, as well as a new direction on level enforcement moving forward, uh, where we are gonna enforce.

Um that's focused right now on midtown main street area, but where there's residential parking that would come into play.

Um and that is something to be taking into consideration.

Um the residential parking and where parking is allowed or not allowed uh because residents who need to park near their building need to be able to have a place to park.

Yeah, this isn't that right, because there's no parking there now, so it's not like the residents needed that parking.

Um but as far as enforcement goes, um you know that residential parking program in this area would be the benefactor of us kind of ramping up option uh the technology to better enforce the parking.

It I don't know when we'll kind of see that in this area again because it's gonna be in a phased approach, but it takes some time to build that system up and get the officers.

Um but in the meantime that should be improved as the thank you.

In the meantime, I did provide the non-emergency number.

They could always call the non-emergency number and report uh parking violations, and our cops, uh our our police force is great at responding to consumers.

They are, yeah.

So that's sort of the old way.

Obviously, that requires someone to call and then the schedule to come out, and it can take some time.

So again, the new system hopefully will be improved, but that currently you can do take action on that today, um, and you will get a response.

Okay.

Um so we were contacted by two residences.

I think just in general, there after speaking with the HOA president, the main concern was um they were relieved by a lot of your answers.

Um they did still have some concerns about road wear due to the uh possible people turning around.

Those are obviously city streets, so we will maintain those on behalf of uh the city because they're city streets.

I just wanted to make sure we also covered that piece.

I would I just want to say in that vein, uh changing the parking here will not change the number of vehicles that might go down this road, or it's not gonna have a significant impact, right?

So nobody knows it's no parking until they've already driven down it and then turned around and left anyway for the most part.

So it's not expected that there would be a significant draw to more traffic down this road because of either decision you would make.

Does that make sense?

The psychology around transportation is very interesting.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um we did also have a couple of um other questions.

We did have a couple other um uh I guess emails um from a couple of neighbors in the area.

I don't know if we need to read those in the record.

Do you have anybody from the public who'd like to comment today?

Seeing none of the questions.

If you'd like to, yeah.

Yes, if it would be if you want to be on red, yeah, it's best to come up and just introduce yourself.

Yeah, introduce yourself.

Hi, Council members.

I'm Brent Borham.

I am the uh director of strategic growth and partnerships at Senior Home Companions in Story Cottage.

We are the owner and occupant of 630 3rd Avenue Southwest.

Uh we bought the building just earlier this year.

Um our company, along with uh both the other tenants and eye care business and uh dentistry office both support uh additional parking on there.

Well, we love our additional walking time from other places in and around that area.

It would be helpful just to serve the clients' needs who visit our building on occasion and our staff who park in around there to have a little bit of additional support so that we all have space to park on a daily basis, um especially when there's tons of activities around the booth target and feet theater, uh school buses there and whatnot that absorb additional parking space.

So thank you for having me tonight.

Thank you for your comments.

Question any other comments or questions?

Any questions for legal?

So only item on our agenda to nine.

Uh does anybody have a motion?

Uh I would make a motion that we send back to council a positive recommendation to approve ordinance D 2811-26.

I will second that.

Got motion and a second.

We'll vote.

Motion carries unanimously.

Uh we don't have anything else on the agenda tonight.

I did want to give an update.

Uh, we are going to be looking at the disability committee ordinance.

Um the administration's provide some inform uh some information and feedback as well.

Um, if anybody uh on the committee wanted to also be prepared, um, hopefully next meeting uh to discuss that, just make everybody aware.

And we have not uh yet received any information back from uh we're waiting for counselor lock using provide some information on some suggestions about the audit committee.

Um so I do not know if that will be on the uh on the agenda for next meeting.

Do I have a motion to adjourn?

So moved.

We are adjourned at 548 p.m.

Thank you.