Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone to please silence your cell phones.

Um, and just a reminder that council meetings are live streamed on the city's YouTube channel.

I now call the November 4th, 2025 regular council meeting to order.

The chair to entertain a motion to by uh consent minute action, excuse the absence of counselor bond.

Move by the vice mayor, seconded by counselor Pollock.

Please cast your vote.

Please record the vote.

Without counselors voting aye, the motion passes.

Thank you.

Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pleads to the United States of America.

Under God, inevisable with liberty and justice.

Please read the consent minute approval titles.

Approving the minutes of October 7th, 2025 council meeting in the October 7th, 2025 executive session.

Thank you.

The Chair do entertain a motion to approve the consent minute action agenda items just read.

So moved.

Move by Councillor Pollock, seconded by Councillor Haskins.

Any abstentions?

Please cast your vote.

Please record the vote.

With all counselors voting aye, the motion passes.

Chair Gentine, a motion to approve by minute action, the November 4th, 2025 general bills and claims is audited by interim city manager Lopez.

Moved by the Vice Mayor, seconded by Councillor Pollock.

Any abstentions?

Please cast your vote.

Please record the vote.

Without motion passes.

Move by the Vice Mayor, seconded by Councillor Sweeney.

Any abstentions?

Any other assumptions?

Okay, please cast your vote.

Please record the vote.

What's Catherine Councillor Gamaroth, the Sanian, and all other counselors voting aye, the motion passes.

Thank you.

At this time, come up Ray Wolf, Kelly Ivanhoff, Caleb Lynn, Eric Distat, and Dean Welch to please come to the ambo.

These gentlemen are from Veterans, our Veterans Park Advisory Board, and we want to welcome them as I read a proclamation in a minute and invite them to be one to be recognized.

But I don't know if you have any comments you guys would like to make.

No.

You're good?

Okay.

I'm gonna have you guys come up top here.

Oh side, yeah, either side.

So this proclamation is for Veterans Day, and we are honored from the city of Casper to be able to share this proclamation.

Whereas in 1919, November 11th was proclaimed as Armatists Day in honor to honor our country's World War One veterans on the one-year anniversary of the signing of the Armatists, which brought an end to the war to that war.

And whereas President Dwight D.

Eisenhower signed legislation in 1954, which proclaimed every November 11th as a day of honor of all to honor all veterans forces, and whereas we in Casper and across Wyoming take special pride in our veterans, our neighbors, family members, co-workers, and friends who have worn the uniform with courage and conviction, protecting the freedoms and values we hold dear.

And whereas the spirit of service and sacrifice runs deep in our community, our veterans embody the Wyoming way, resilient, humble, and steadfast in their commitment to duty and country.

And whereas we recognize that our gratitude must extend beyond words, it must be shown through our own ongoing support for veterans and their families, helping them find opportunity, purpose, and community law and community long after their service has ended.

And whereas the men and women of our armed forces continue to inspire us through their courage, leadership, and devotion to something greater than our themselves, and a reminder that freedom is never free.

Now, therefore, I Ray Pacheco, the mayor of the city of Casper, Wyoming, do hereby proclaim the day, this day, November 11th, 2025, in observance of Veterans Day, and I call upon all citizens of Casper to honor and thank our veterans for their service and sacrifice and to reflect on the enduring strength that brings they bring to our city, our state, and our nation, and witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and cause the official seal, the city of Casper, Wyoming, to be affixed this 11th day, November 2025.

Thank you.

Now is the time that we invite anyone into the and from the audience who wishes to just speak to the council to come forward.

This portion of the meeting is dedicated to the public to allow them time to discuss matters of public interest and to voice their concerns.

We do ask that you please state your name, direct all questions and comments to the mayor.

No personal obscenities or threats will be tolerated.

And council will not respond to any personnel matters.

Those will all be referred to our city manager.

Counselors may ask clarifying questions, but if they choose to respond to matters, they will do so during the scheduled council response time, following communications from persons present.

Presentations are limited to five minutes and no duplication of speakers.

Um extensions will be permitted.

Please note that public hearings and ordinances each have their own separate comment periods.

Hello, Mr.

Shriffman.

Mayor, good evening.

Congratulations to the veterans park uh task force and the staff looks great.

Um, and to honor all of the veterans, whether they serve during wartime or keeping us safe during peace.

Uh at your last um work session, uh, there were three items that I wanted to briefly bring up.

The first is um that the optional uh holiday um process for Christmas Eve and New Year's.

Um it's a wonderful thing.

We we currently have 11 hot holidays for the employees of the city, and this actually is kind of like a 12th um one.

They the employees also, according to the website, full-time employees get an advance of 80 uh personal uh paid hours when they start can accumulate to uh 720 hours, which is more than most um uh businesses provide, and being self-employed and having been an insurance agent for many years uh with Medicare originally the Medicare enrollment period ran from November 15th to December 31st.

So I was always working on Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, and New Year's.

So I appreciate all the work of the staff, the employees of the city.

Um I've always had um good uh interactions with them.

So um it's very good and uh helpful benefits that they have, and I hope they appreciate that.

Secondly, um uh also last week uh as in the past, the um election of the mayor and the vice mayor will be taking place soon.

Uh all the other municipalities in the county, the voters do elect the mayor.

Here it's a little different, a lot different.

Um my concern is the transparency, the straw ballot, which is done in executive session privately, um, is really the vote.

And then there's the formal.

Um, and I I've suggested before that maybe uh the votes should take place in public, uh, because otherwise we don't even know how our members of council vote.

Um, and again, uh Mayor Pacheco, I appreciate your stepping to the plate more than once of being mayor, I appreciate that.

The last item I spent uh some of you know we've talked about it.

I spent most of the day on a uh on Zoom call with the legislature.

Uh one of the bills that they were looking at uh would uh restrict the ability of taxpayer funds to be used for lobbying for municipal association and also the county commissioners.

Um the bill ultimately was um tabled.

Uh so there were a lot of people online.

I'm sorry I jumped in in a head, but uh one of the senators wanted somebody to speak uh in favor.

Uh I do feel that taxpayer money shouldn't be used for lobbying, and I have some concerns.

And I'm also got a question as far as the uh dinner that's being planned for the legislators.

Who is actually paying for that?

Uh if I'm paying for it, I'd I'd like a table.

So uh that's my questions for the evening or my comments.

Does anybody have any questions, clarifying questions for Mr.

Shriffman?

Yeah, go ahead, Councilor Sweeney.

Um thank you, Mayor.

Um so I was online in uh um Senator Steinman's uh uh comment about uh the bill was I don't know if you heard her comments, but um uh in the mayor of Pinedale, the mayor of Album.

Uh I thought had very good points.

Um, but I take it uh Senator Steinman's in particular mentioned about uh communicating in her community.

She hasn't found a constituent in favor of this bill, and wondering why we were taking any more they were taking any more committee time.

Um and she also went on to say uh with her constituents that um it it has been traditional for a legislator uh to meet with the constituents um whenever or they had time.

Um but um I totally disagree with your comments online and just thought I would speak to that.

Um I wish you would have heard uh the testimony from the Councillor Sweeney, could you wait to make those comments at the end?

That would be great.

I just want to have questions for Mr.

Shriffman, if that's okay.

I just want to that way you can have comments towards that.

Well, and he's fine to respond.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, I I listened, Mayor, uh councilman.

I listened all day.

They made some very good points, and I mentioned that in my comments.

Um, and so when the senator asked me, would um I'd be in favor of um tabling the bill because it looks like it needs some work, I did say yes.

So I did listen to all the comments, and I even while it was going on, there was a um representative that uh representative Webb uh wanted to know about the Form 990s, and I printed that out.

I have some more questions for the Wham executive director, and uh I thought it was a good idea at that point to uh table the bill, but I did listen very carefully to all the comments in during during comment, I mayor.

I I will um ask um uh the city if we're doing anything illegal on our uh form of government.

We are a city manager form of form of government where the other councils um uh do elect their mayors because they aren't city manager form of government and uh so um at that point in time I will ask uh questions.

Thanks, appreciate that.

Thank you, council.

Because it's been represented at rep, I believe that we're doing something illegal, but I don't believe we are.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Any other questions for Mr.

Shrifman?

Okay, thank you.

Any others wish to speak.

Good evening.

Hi.

Hello, Mayor Pacheco and the members of City Council and other leaders of our community.

Thank you for the time in allowing me this opportunity to speak.

Not only as a concerned citizen, but as a parent and supporter of CYB, as well as the newly elected president.

I know you're busy, but I could just, if I could just take a minute to ask about the city's plans regarding CYB's lease.

We really appreciate the city's programs.

A lot of families in our community though are concerned about what's happening with CYB's lease and upgrades.

If the city is upgrading the facility, why not renew CYB's lease versus an MOU?

We're set to lose our lease in August of 2026.

Why are upgrades only being discussed when the lease is expiring?

It feels unfair to kids and families who have supported CYB for years.

Not to mention if the work is not done in time, it'll interrupt our season.

Can you share share when the work is expected to start and finish?

Also, can you clarify who owns the fields, the equipment, and the buildings when it comes to CYB?

We would really appreciate some transparency and maybe a meeting between the city and CYB leadership to talk this through.

Could someone from your office possibly reach out to myself and the CYB's board?

Thank you so much for your time.

All we want to do is do what's best for the kids.

Thank you.

Does anybody have any questions?

Yeah.

Counselor Jensen.

Can you clarify what CYB is?

Casper Youth Baseball, sorry.

Okay, thank you.

I had no clue what you were talking about.

Sorry.

Yeah, go ahead, Counselor Gamer.

Thank you, Mayor.

And thank you.

Uh I apologize.

Did we capture your name?

Bethany Moore.

Bethany Moore.

Thank you, Bethany.

Can I ask who have you reached out to, if anyone at the city?

Um have you gone up kind of the chain of command and reached out to uh Parks and Rec, uh, whether it's Nick Whips or somebody on his team.

Uh um, I have spoken to Nick Whips, Paul Zawata, and I can't remember her name to save the life of me right now, but I have spoken to the recreational department.

Okay.

Uh we pre- and we recently have asked for a copy of the lease just to kind of review it.

And it's always been kind of like nobody had the lease to provide for us.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Thank you.

Uh you you asked for a copy of the previous lease or the current lease that expires in August.

Okay.

I imagine it's in one of our packets.

So I'll probably look for it right now.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Yeah, go ahead, counselor.

So is this also in regards to uh the field of dreams renovations and updates?

Correct.

Okay.

And then have you been in contact at all with um previous board members like Ron Kidder or so we've kind of had issues contacting previous board members to go down the line, but we've only gotten so far.

Um we don't really get much information when we ask for the information, it seems like thank you.

Go ahead, Counselor Haskins.

You can reach out to me, I was on the board.

Okay, thank you.

Any other questions?

So stick around and we might we'll have some stuff.

Okay.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Um I'm Brian Voss.

I am the equipment and safety manager for Casper Youth Baseball.

And I just want to say a few things about us.

Um we have 600 kids, many, many of them.

It's your only opportunity they get to ever play baseball.

Um we have six fields to provide 600 kids on.

You have about 13 kids a team.

So you can imagine how congested we are all the time.

Um I have coached five teams.

Um I have seen the difference the program makes in kids' lives.

Um I've had kid that came a couple years ago.

He was totally shut down.

He had just experienced traumatic events in his life, just absolutely petrified.

I got him around the other kids.

He was very shy within a few practices and games.

He was completely different kid.

Um he's still playing ball, not within my teams, but um whenever I see him in public, he will come up to me, thank me.

He still calls me coach.

And I just want you I'm sure it's many other stories about different kids in the program.

And please do the right thing.

Think with your heart, not with the money that you want to get.

Um, I've seen the money and how expensive it is to run this.

And there's a lot of work, and we do all this year-round.

So please please consider the kids and everybody else that's involved in organization, the parents and everybody.

Thank you.

So that's what I got to say.

Any questions?

Okay, thank you.

Appreciate any comments.

Good evening.

Uh, thank you.

I'm Joseph Moore.

I'm a local business owner.

I'm also her husband.

So I've coached, I've played, been in CYB.

I played for CYB five years ago.

It was uh great program when I was a kid.

Um it's been a great program forever.

Didn't know all the ins and outs until the last five, six years that we've been part of the board, but not really seeing all the ins and outs of it.

And uh we've uncovered a lot.

Um, and now that we have full access to stuff and can see everything, I think it might be a little too late because our lease is up August.

It's uh seems like I don't know.

Sorry, I'm nervous.

No, you're good.

You're taking a mess up what I'm saying.

So I don't donate a lot personally.

I was a coach, taking kids, paid for them all the way up to all stars, taking them out of town, done all the stuff.

That was my greatest opportunity as a kid from a police officer, actually, that helped me as a kid.

It is a massive organization, largest in the state for recreational baseball, probably largest within the surrounding states.

It seems though the city or powers that be would like to take that property and use it for a pay-to-play system to make more money.

Well, they already pay a lot of money, and I'm also really concerned with after reading the lease.

That property was a backroom deal per se.

CYB owned another property, sold it to the city and the CDC 25 years ago for the empty lot of field of dreams under the agreement that they would take that money and that land, they would have to put any money into that land for a 20-year lease, and any fixed property after that lease was up would become property of the city.

I'm sure that's typically how things go.

But I'm just under the impression because they spent three million dollars already on all that, and now you guys want to spend another three million dollars to turf everything and put in all the other stuff.

CYB would like to be partners on that.

They would like to put money into the youth.

Obviously, they're a nonprofit, so they would like to they have funds available to put into that stuff.

But it seems like for the last five, six years that I've seen, there's been a lot of hiding and a lot of pushback from CYB's board members who are no longer available or city members that are involved in it.

Just seems like there needs to be more transparency and clarification happening between an organization like that and uh obviously the city, because in other states, the city does run the little league or recreational programs, and they should be more involved, obviously.

Um but I don't know if uh doing it for softball or travel is particularly what you should do, considering there's 34 fields in the surrounding area right here, and then they have 600 to 700 kids at any given moment.

Um why would we give up those only six fields for 700 kids for when they have 25 other fields that could be used for that are softball fields or are designed for that?

Just doesn't make any sense.

And if it's for a travel organization that wants to pay more money, well, you're a travel club, travel.

The rec club is for the city's rec league.

If you want to travel, travel.

You got the money to do so, do so.

If you don't, play for the rec league.

That's just my concerns.

I would hope it doesn't diminish our time because uh the construction is gonna interfere with our upcoming season, it sounds like but it's our last year.

It's our last year to what we believe turn this thing around, make it great.

You know, do what we need to do, put the money into it.

We've done a lot.

I don't want our last season to go to waste because of construction.

It's the last year of the lease.

We've finally got it turning around.

We've got a whole new board.

Everything's looking good.

So hopefully it doesn't interfere, I guess.

Yeah.

Thank you so much.

Kind of just rambled.

No, any questions?

Yeah, go ahead, Councillor Gamrol.

Thank you, Mayor.

And uh thanks uh for speaking.

Yeah, like the mayor said you did a great job.

It's fine.

Uh you said your name is Richard, sir.

Joey.

So Joey.

I'm way off.

Thanks, Joey.

Um, I apologize, man.

I feel like, and I'm probably not alone.

I feel like I'm missing most of the context about what we're talking about here.

So I'm hoping city manager or someone else can shed some light.

My question is does Casper Youth Baseball not have a liaison to our city of Casper Parks and Recs board?

And if so, uh well, I guess that's my first question.

Uh does somebody representing Casper Youth Baseball attend those meetings?

No.

And uh I've I've dug up a lot.

And that's where I recognized your name, Haskins.

Um board members, previous board members.

Um I've been trying to find 'em.

I mean, a little weird addresses or phone numbers or people that are like 30 years ago.

Um, who made these deals, why were they made, who who on the city made these deals with these people.

Um we just invested all this money to just give away all this property, like the lights down there.

We paid a hundred thousand dollars for those.

Now they're just not ours.

They're gonna be used for the city to make money from travel clubs.

Um three million dollars, 380,000 of which are 800,000 was to Phipps construction in 2011 from CYB.

Like it's just there's a lot of stuff.

Oh Jesus.

There's a lot of stuff that I've looked into, and it's a big deep hole that I've dug.

And they all know it.

But then it's like, yeah, where do you go?

Or who you talk to.

Um yeah.

So sorry.

Counselor Pollock, did you have something you wanted to?

Yeah, uh, just to to Councillor Gamroff's question.

Um, I just was pulling back up our minutes from the parks and rec advisory committee, and we actually do have space for you on the agenda.

I I don't know uh if there's been board turnover or what the deal is, uh made a maybe point of contact is lost, but um we we host um user groups um each month at that meeting for kind of each section.

It looks like maybe February is when we um work with uh baseball and softball folks.

Um, and according to the minutes, um we didn't have you at the meeting and didn't receive a report.

So um I'd we obviously need to re-establish some uh some point of contact there, but you are included in that and have space on the agenda to come to that group, provide provide um information about what you're doing, and we can share information back and forth through that mechanism.

So um really good looking you know, I can help make sure that we've got updated point of context for that.

Yeah, um, but you know, that there is some structure that does exist.

Um I believe that's been the whole problem this whole time is it's all just been certain people that know things that like the meeting.

Oh, there's meetings, board's never been informed of it.

Yeah, yeah.

So um and I think that's design personally.

Well, I think that's an unfair category.

Not by you guys, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

I'm talking about CYB board.

Okay, of course.

Okay, I yeah, I've got yeah, I know not by the city.

Okay, I think the city is just as naive as the new board members are to what's like yeah.

So um yeah, I don't I don't want to get too far in the weeds, but at least put on the record and so that you know there that you are included in that agenda um during that February meeting um each year.

So we'll make sure that you know we've we've gotten fresh updated contact information.

I I'm not the one who does that contact.

I don't know who who was being contacted, but um, yeah, just for your information, there is some framework there that does exist and does include your organization.

That's good, yeah.

That's really good to know.

I thank you for that because um six years of and now the president, we've never heard of that meeting.

We've never even been informed of that.

So and I mean I've we've been in it longer than that, eight years, um, just recently.

So to hear it now, it's like, well, that's exactly the missing pieces that we've never been told.

So thank you for that.

Actually, and that's why I told them, and gotta be more involved and talk to the city, obviously, because they just think that C UIB is just yeah, doesn't care about that property, and nothing's happened.

So yeah, I don't know.

Great.

Thank you so much for anybody else who's just speak to council.

It is what will mean I can't bring my flag up.

I just bring it's part of the prop to show you what happened.

The no trade for not a weapon.

I'll just show you and I'll put it back down.

Chief, I don't know.

I pull them beyond my shoulder.

I'm taking direction from you, Chief Lieutenant Dabney.

Here I'll show you.

This is all we do.

Okay, I'll allow it.

This is it, right?

I'll allow it.

This is it.

I'll even put it down so it's not a distraction, okay?

Whoa.

That was it's not a weapon.

Easy.

Okay, my name's Ryan Perry, and I'm a uh an uh resident of Evansville.

I just want to make it very clear that I completely disagree with the narrative being presented that these individuals, the Casper Pride affiliated individuals are somehow bullied or oppressed by the public.

The very same group they represent has in fact bullied others.

When I attended the No Kings rally, I was met with name calling, being labeled a fascist, a Nazi, a pedophile, and mocked for my religious beliefs.

Censorship with them trying to block this sign with their bodies or with their pride flags.

These are not the actions of tolerant people.

They preach tolerance, but only for the ideas that align with their own.

My own family member was assaulted by individuals affiliated with the Casper Pride.

A friend's house was doxxed, marked with Casper Pride graffiti and propaganda.

The kind of hateful messages that if the rules were reversed would be immediately condemned as hate speech.

Let's stop pretending these people are all innocent victims.

They are not.

Just because I have a different viewpoint than you.

That's what we need more of courage, honesty, and accountability, no matter which side it comes from.

Thank you.

Any questions for Mr.

Perry?

Yeah, go ahead.

Counselor Gamerall.

Thank you, Mayor.

Thanks, Ryan, for uh coming sharing with us this evening.

Can I ask, are you familiar with the language in our non-discrimination ordinance?

Yeah, I read it.

And that's my whole point is it's the civil rights.

You can't discriminate on anybody based on their religion, their color, their creed, anything.

It's the same thing.

That is the language of the non-discrimination orients.

Yeah, you that you can't uh discriminate against anyone based on uh religion, race, sex, uh, orientation.

And so um, I just wanted to make sure you were familiar with that language that it is all inclusive.

And so uh I'll I'll save the rest.

I I I will have more.

That's my only question, but I'll have more to say uh during our comment.

Thanks, thank you.

Other questions for Mr.

Perry?

Yep, go ahead.

Hey Ryan, I was just wondering, you you referenced a couple um accusations of crimes in your testimony.

So I'm and and attributed them to an organization.

I'm curious if you mean the organization Casper Pride, or if you have um if you're referencing individuals who are identifying as LGBTQ, or yeah, if you're gonna accuse somebody of a crime on a public forum, um it would be helpful to have deal with more specific.

We don't know.

All we know is they went to the evidence, but they don't know who it is because there's no cameras that captured them at the private residence.

But my question is who in the LGBT community in Casper Mills or Evansville has had that same thing happen to their personal house and personal property.

Sure.

My my question though was um you're making accusations of a crime.

And so I I said my sibling.

Assaulted by somebody who is Casper Pride affiliated.

So I'm just trying to understand how like what do you mean by Casper Pride affiliated?

So I didn't want to, they're trans.

My sibling is trans.

What perpetrator?

I just said it's Casper Pride affiliated people.

Sure.

Who can you be more specific?

With who?

With what instance?

The assault that you accused someone else.

So that was my sibling.

Did the assault?

Yes.

And it's all based off me with the petition in Evansville to recall the mayor.

That's what that was about.

Walked into my house with my entire family sitting there, and called me a Nazi and everybody else sitting there a Nazi and a fascist because they signed a petition.

And because then they assaulted my brother because of it.

Do you think that's right?

I mean, I haven't gone and insulted anybody that's LGBTQ related or anything.

I went to the No Kings rally and stood my ground, but I didn't call them anything.

I didn't say that they're fascists, I didn't say that they're Nazis.

No, yeah, I I'm glad to hear that.

I I simply wanted to make sure if you're accusing people here of a crime, that you have some basis to be able to do that.

Well, they are in charge with a crime.

Right, yeah, then you're then you're clear to do it, I think.

I just wanted to make sure because that makes me uncomfortable if if there's um you know accusations of a crime that are that are baseless in a publicity.

Do you know anybody that else and put the pro propaganda in the hate speech on someone's driveway?

No, sir.

So let's go ahead and we'll move forward.

Ryan, there will be some we'll have some.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else wish to speak?

Ryan, if you Ryan, if you want to stay, I think several of us have some things we wanted to respond to.

That'd be great.

Thank you.

Hi there, mayor, hi there, council people.

Some I don't know, some are new.

Welcome to anyway.

Um, yeah, I'm Tom Morton, covered you guys a lot.

It's been a while, and uh just wanted to say hi.

And uh as Keith Richards would put it, it's good to see anybody.

So um, anyway, I just just wanted to say hi.

I've been kind of I retired again three uh year ago, and so um sort of missed this stuff, and uh do appreciate all the work that you do, and um uh that's really all I had.

But anyway, thanks for doing what you do.

Thanks, Tom.

It's good to see you again.

Anyone else?

Okay.

Now at this time we have council response to public comment.

Um that was said brought up from our community.

Yeah, counselor.

So thank you, Mayor.

Um so I would my question is to the city attorney.

Um, in Mr.

Shripsman's uh I I felt it was an acqua accusation on our form of government in the secrecy about the straw ballots and the way in which we conduct that.

But are we doing anything nefarious or illegal in your opinion?

City attorney.

Yeah, mayor counselor.

Um short answer is no.

Um our form of government is a city manager form of government under 154201A, um, it prescribes that uh the first meeting after uh the election each year, the council from among its own members will elect a mayor and a vice president, um, which we do uh in a public meeting uh every year.

164405 A Romanette uh nine uh allows an executive session uh for council to consider um personnel matters broadly speaking.

So um it it is my opinion that the way that the the city has handled it um previously and uh the resolution that was adopted is consistent with Wyoming state law.

Um and I am uh not privy to anything that would lead me to believe that any of uh council's actions uh in this regard are contrary to law.

Thank you.

Appreciate it, Eric.

Yeah, counselor Jensen.

Eric, quite question.

Sorry.

How many years have we been conducting a straw poll?

Do you know?

Do you know, Ray?

You've been here for many, many, many years.

I mean, for the time 12 years that I've been on here, we've done the straw poll, and I think before that it was done for probably 30 years.

Every year, maybe more.

We go through the same conversation, I feel like.

So hopefully this puts it to bed, his response to it.

I don't think the procedure is gonna change.

It is what it is, and we have made it very transparent, I feel go ahead.

Even uh Mr.

Shriffman said something about the city should know how how the we we don't even know how each other votes.

So there's nothing we're not hiding anything, straw votes done on a piece of paper, and we turn it in and they give us the results.

So there's nothing secretive, there's nothing being hidden.

We don't even know how the other people have voted.

We just know what the final count is.

So there's nothing being hidden.

Mayor, can I just just to clarify one point?

Um so when the straw poll is taken, there's there's no vote.

I just want to be clear that there's no official action, no vote that is taken.

Um, pursuant to state statute, that always has to be done in a public meeting.

And so, whatever the results of the straw poll are in typically December, that that no way um obligates to vote consistent to that um straw poll come January.

I'm not aware of anything that's you know that that's ever happened where there's been a straw poll that indicates one result, and then that's changed.

But but certainly that that could happen because it's it's not official, and and I don't want to leave the public with any impression that there is any action being taken in executive session.

So that's not the case.

So what so you're that that's a great point.

So what it is the straw poll is not a binding official vote of official decision by the council.

It's an internal really kind of around helping to prep the city to get things moving forward, and when we have to do that, it we go into January to to elect the new mayor and vice mayor.

Um, but the official vote that we're bound by by state statute is to do that in public when we elect the new mayor and vice mayor, correct?

That's correct, mayor.

So we're in compliance with that.

Correct.

Okay.

Yeah, go ahead.

So I I really appreciate that, and that adds more clarity for myself, but I'm guessing that that won't satisfy um a lot of people, but I thought that was a um a good explanation.

There was another assertion uh during the um legislative uh testimony, and then again here tonight about the legislative dinner that has been going on to my mind for a lot of years, and it's an attempt uh to break bread together uh with our legislators in whatever our life uh at that point in time, what the city at Casper is concerned about to be able to sit down, break bread, answer questions with those legislators on behalf of our constituents.

In your reference today, Ms.

Stripman, about um why biome dinner, uh yes, that is on the city's tab.

I think it's well within our rights uh in good governance uh to be able to um rather than as you inferenced a cup of coffee.

Um, I feel it's better.

I when I was in the legislature, I attended those, got a lot of good information, uh, and I was listening to the information, not just trying to attack him.

This last one uh that was my first on the other side, I thought was very productive.

Um a lot of good questions got asked.

Um by uh representative Locke, uh Representative Wash it, others asked a lot of good questions.

And um I felt our city manager and uh counselors gave great feedback.

And so I don't think um the other point I guess I would last like to make when uh those folks that were asked by the chairman, Chairman Knapp in um Senator Steimens.

Uh is there anybody online that wants to speak in favor of this bill.

And uh Mr.

Shripman was the only one uh that wanted to speak.

I don't know how many people were online.

Have no idea, but um I I think that really it's a very poorly crafted bill.

Um, and uh would do harm to almost I think the number is close to a hundred organizations in the in particular uh the special districts.

Um the mayor of Alvin, I think, really spoke well to the special special districts today.

And uh how that would infringe and be devastating.

Uh that's my word, devastating to their constituents.

But thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Yeah, Councilman Gamer.

Thank you, Mayor.

Just wanted to appreciate everyone.

We hear kind of a diverse uh collection of uh comments, and so I appreciate it.

Uh uh oftentimes we don't get any public comment or potentially just one public comment from uh Mr.

Shriffman, who's one of our regular attendees.

So uh always enjoy uh folks coming out and sharing your thoughts, concerns, and questions with us to Mr.

Perry's uh testimony that he provided.

The reason I asked uh you, sir, if you are familiar with our non-discrimination ordinance is because the language in the ordinance uh states that if you believe somebody is discriminated you uh against you based on race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, national origin, or disability, and uh you can satisfy the requirements of that ordinance.

Uh, you know, there's certain criteria that need to be met.

And so if you believe you or a family member has been discriminated against based on your race, uh religion or other factors, and you can meet the criteria of that ordinance.

I would definitely encourage you to sound like you've already opened a case with the police department.

So uh you may consider citing that ordinance if uh you can meet the criteria.

Uh you can use it uh just as anybody else that feels like uh they're part of a marginalized group and are being discriminated against uh for those reasons.

So I would encourage you to uh look into that further and see if uh whatever case it was you were referring to uh would be eligible for using that ordinance.

Uh to Mr.

Shriffman's comments.

Uh yeah, you enumerated a couple of them there, and um I I apologize I forgot most of them, but uh to counselor Sweeney's point you had brought up the dinner event that we have with legislators.

It's certainly been going on as long as I've been on council, and sounds like uh probably got a couple decades precedent for that.

Uh it is a annual uh dinner that we have with our legislators.

It's a very modest meal at a city-owned facility up at the Ford Wyoming Center is where we've typically held it.

Because we do have a quorum, it is considered a public meeting, and we do the appropriate publishing for that.

And uh believe we've had journalists in the past, and so uh uh certainly, you know, uh uh would love to chat with you about whether you want to attend.

I don't know if we uh would be able to give you a seat at our table, but you're certainly welcome to attend, I believe.

And so uh happy to connect with the staff to discuss that further.

I believe the terminology used at the um joint corporations meeting was wine and dine.

No wine, unfortunately, just coffee, tea, and water.

But uh it is as counselor Sweeney mentioned, a very productive comment.

I mean, it we have robust conversation.

We have a lot of things we have an agenda set for the evening and a lot of things to cover.

It is the only opportunity that I'm aware of that we're able to connect with our legislators before they go into the legislative session and discuss that things are gonna have great impact for our city.

So I very much look forward to and uh welcome that opportunity.

It's again really the only point in the year that we get uh get all of us into a room and talk about this, and um, I think it's very important because the legislature is making, especially, I think in this upcoming budget session, they will be making a number of decisions that impact our city greatly, especially as it relates to revenue.

Um so, yeah, whatever small expenses that we may incur uh for doing that in kind, you know, services by the Ford Wyoming Center, I think is well worth uh it uh um considering the gravity of the decisions that they'll be reckoning with in this next session.

Um and then I imagine, Mayor, you'll uh perhaps give our city manager or somebody else an opportunity to discuss Casper Youth Baseball stuff.

I think that's all I got, so thank you.

Yeah, council council member.

Well, I just wanted to point out this Boy Scout that's here doing his working towards your badge.

Patch.

Hi, talking to you.

What patch are you working towards?

That's what I thought it was citizenship.

So I just wanted to make him aware and that we're appreciate that you're here and that you're studying hard.

Are you looking at being an Eagle Scout?

Do you want to be an Eagle Scout?

Is that what you're working towards?

Good.

Well, thank you for being here.

Awesome.

Okay, so um I have a couple comments.

Uh Council uh Counselor Gamroth uh hit a lot of my talking points that I was gonna talk about with um um with Mr.

Shriffman, and I did as a good investment.

Um, and the in-kind services that we have because it's the final the um Ford Wyoming Center.

And so um it's very low cost, it provides a meal at cost.

Um so this ensures fiscal responsibility.

We're not taking them to um Fire Rock, we're not taking them to Silver Fox or anything like that.

This is all local within our within our um city, how we do that.

Um, and this also uh maintains a professional um atmosphere for everyone.

We ask the legislators to give up their time and their evening to come and speak to us for two hours.

And so it is a is it a simple gesture to bring people of many different political beliefs and ideologies to come together for the same common belief of how do we help our community here in Neutrona County?

Well worth it.

We've been doing it for years.

For years we've been doing this, and so it is well worth uh our investment.

Um I want to give the city manager a moment.

Do you have anything you'd like to respond with CYB at all?

Maybe one next steps kind of being able to do that, because I want to make sure to get them.

And then I have a comment for Mr.

Perry.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh, so I appreciate the Moors, and I apologize the other gentleman that that came up to speak.

Um, you know, I do believe that historically the city of Casper, particularly Parks and REC, uh, has worked closely with the CYB board on um, you know, operation and maintenance of the field of dreams.

Um, I do understand that there's been quite a lot of turnover on the board.

And so um absolutely I would encourage you to connect with next Nick Whips, our um interim parks and rock director, uh, to make sure that he's got the appropriate contacts and can visit with you.

And there were some questions that were asked uh primarily about the status of the CYB lease, uh, which is set to expire in 2026.

Counselor Gamrothy probably won't find that in a recent packet.

That was a 20-year lease uh that was implemented when the construction of that facility happened.

And so um this would be the end of that 20-year lease.

And as per uh newly established city protocols, um, they will have the opportunity to go in front of the parks and recreation advisory board, um, share their proposal with that board in terms of their business plan, plans for um their organization into the future, and then assuming the support of that board, the city staff would then um act on whatever structure for utilizing the facility is most appropriate and makes the most sense for the user group and the city.

Um, in terms of the question about why a significant investment is being made in the property in the last year of the lease rather than before, uh, you may all recall that we had the opportunity to apply for a Wyoming outdoor rec grant to make improvements in the North Casper area.

That was a once in a lifetime opportunity through um ARPA dollars uh to construct uh improvements in a very specific area of town that qualified as a census tract.

Um North Casper was that area of town, and so we identified the needs in that athletic complex and took advantage of that funding opportunity in order to get grant dollars to make improvements.

And so um nothing nefarious there in terms of intention of when we were making investments, it was just an opportunity that we didn't want to pass up in terms of grant funding to make improvements.

Um I do believe that uh Mr.

Whipps and our other recreation staff has made good faith efforts to be in contact with all of our user groups across as Counselor Pollock noted, as our parks and rec advisory board representative.

We do meet with user groups monthly, uh depending on what sector of recreation they're affiliated with.

And annually, we do talk to all the bat sport um groups that come to our meetings and present their reports.

I think that is all I can remember in terms of specific questions, but again, happy, happy to visit with the Casper Youth Baseball folks and talk to them about the upcoming season.

It is on the agenda tonight to actually award the contract for construction.

So unfortunately, we can't provide a schedule for construction yet because we don't know what that schedule is until we get the contractor on board and work with them to develop the schedule for construction.

We will absolutely work with the user groups to the greatest extent possible to limit uh any interruption to their operations for the season.

Um, understanding though, that it is the intention through this project that we will actually expand the use of the facility earlier into the season because of the TURF infills later into the season because of the TERF infills, and then during the season be able to play more frequently because damage to synthetic turf is um much harder to achieve than damage to natural TRF, which is what we have now.

So resting fields won't become quite as problematic for us as it has been in the past.

So uh it is the hope and the intention that we will actually be able to increase capacity of those fields through these improvements.

Um hopefully that satisfies some of the questions uh that were answered, and certainly connect with staff, and we're happy to answer more questions if you have them.

So staff will be getting in touch to be able to meet with you and to kind of start the next steps of how do we get get you guys on the docket to talk at our parks and rec um uh committee and being able to do that.

And so hopefully we we can open that dialogue.

We appreciate your time.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Uh, will staff reach out to getting information so they can give it to you?

How do you want to do that?

Yeah, okay.

They'll take care of that.

Thanks, Nick.

Yeah, go ahead.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh, thank you, Zalima.

I appreciate that.

Just one follow-up in regards to uh what you all just discussed.

You're right, I did not find that lease.

Uh I was really disappointed.

Uh, but it makes sense if it was 20 years ago.

My guess is I won't be able to find it.

Um, can I just add, I mean, I'm I'm uh kind of surprised at a twenty like 20 years is a very long-term lease.

I'm referring to an Oil City news article from last July where we approved five different contracts, Casper Mountain Racers at But Hogan on Figure Skating Club at the ICER in a major football at Georgetown Field, amateur hockey, and amateur hockey club.

Those were all one to three year leases.

Um my question is at least unusual uh compared to the other leases, and would you expect a lease renewal um to fit kind of uh the model uh that we have for all the other user groups?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Mayor, counselor, great question.

Uh so 20-year leases are quite rare.

Uh, in fact, the justification for such a long-term lease is the investment that was alluded to by Casper Youth Baseball to construct the facility at the time it was built.

So uh they contributed a significant uh amount to construct that facility and in return were granted a 20-year exclusive lease to operate the facilities.

Uh that lease also included specific language about maintenance of the facility and things like that.

And so now that we're approaching the end of the term of that lease, the city um clearly is having to make significant investments to bring the property up to speed.

Those will all be considerations for a next lease if if there will be one.

And uh certainly if there is a lease, it would align more with what we see with other user groups.

A shorter term one to five years is generally what we consider depending on the user group.

Okay.

Uh so I just wanted to uh respond to Mr.

Mr.

Perry's comments.

Um I won't get into um conversation street of those that were um have been affected by that are vulnerable um in our communities um across across history.

Um, but it's well documented um and there's a lot of data and research to support the um those that are most vulnerable in our communities, including those in the LGBTQ community, um uh have suffered that for generations.

So I'm not gonna get into that debate.

Um, however, um I'm assuming that in Evansville, I think this is where you're from.

And this is kind of what um Counselor Gamrath was just going to kind of back off on that or back up a little bit on that.

Um, this um whatever happened um at this residence happened in Evansville.

If that had happened here in Casper, um, this gentleman could have come to the city of Casper and reported it to our police.

Then if an investigation would have been done, and it would have been able to take a look at saying, okay, does this meet the criteria for a hate crime?

So, yes, that would have protected who this individual would have been, and there would have been um an unbiased investigation with that.

The whole point of that discriminate that anti-discrimination and anti-hate um legislation or ordinance within our community is it was created to protect everybody, including the LGBTQ plus community.

And and within that same context, um, you would agree, I would hope, Mr.

Perry, that every individual, including you with your beliefs, deserve dignity, respect, and understanding.

Yes.

So when I read the comments on Facebook, and I know because you're on Facebook, when I read those comments, you cannot tell me that some of those content the those comments in there were disgusting, anti everything.

And I am what I'm saying is my comment was we need to treat people with dignity and respect, and I've seen those comments.

I've seen the horrible comments when I came out with my statement about me that attacked me as an individual, my faith, my belief, calling me, oh, is Miss Is the Mayor coming out?

Those are the things that I that I was standing against.

And what we have is a watershed moment in this community where we have the right and the left, and nobody wants to talk.

Be damned with the Republicans and be damned with the Democrats because no one wants to talk and no one wants to do anything.

That was my point of why I was saying what I said, and I stand by it.

I may disagree with you politically, Mr.

Perry, but I still see you as a child of God, and I respect you in that, and I show you that same dignity.

Show the same dignity to individuals that don't believe the same way you do.

That is why we have this committee.

That is why we have that advisory council.

And if that happened in Casper in Evansville, you could have opened up an investigation, and we would have done the same amount of work for the equal amount that we would have done that for the LGBTQ.

We have a problem in the United States.

Go on Facebook, read the comments.

There's hate, there's violence, there's accusations.

There is a problem.

And I will continue to stand on the dignity, the compassion of how we treat individuals.

That is a conviction that I would hope the right and the left, MAGA, ultra-liberal, that we could say every human being deserves dignity, love, and respect.

Everybody.

And if you are a faithful person, that is the message, the central message of the gospel.

Why am I so upset?

Because we are called to that.

And that's why I stood up for what I believe in.

That's why we have these committees.

This is why we have those things.

But I want to end with this.

I appreciate you coming up here, Mr.

Perry.

I respect you as an individual.

I respect your beliefs, and I engage you with that.

100%.

And I've never, and I and I never said, never said anything about First Amendment.

You can say whatever you want.

I'm just saying you can say whatever you want, but I can also say it's disgusting.

Yeah.

Everybody does.

That's right.

So we'll protect the First Amendment right.

And I appreciate you, Mr.

Perry.

I don't hate you either.

See, and this is what and this is where we start, Mr.

Perry.

I will not even disagree.

Hey, I'll take you up on that too.

I gotta I gotta move on, Ryan.

But thank you.

I appreciate you coming.

Appreciate it.

Okay, thank you everybody for commenting.

Council now consider consent resolutions.

Please read the consent resolutions by title only.

7A1 authorizing a temporary use agreement with Christmas Delight LLC for the use of the Casper Speedway.

7A2, authorizing the sale of a service weapon to Casper Police Department officers at Fair Market Value.

783, authorizing an agreement with Crown Construction, LLC for the North Casper Boat Ramp Replacement.

Project number 23-041.

784, authorizing agreement with Mammoth Sports Construction LLC for the North Casper Athletic and Recreation Complex Improvements.

Project's number 24-50.

7A5, authorizing a contract for professional services with Civil Engineering Professionals, Inc.

for the North Platte River Restoration, North Casper, Knife River Reach, Project Number 24-063.

Authorizing a contract for professional services with Worthington, Linhart, and Carpenter Inc.

for professional services for the Casper Edition LED improvements.

Project number 25-002.

Authorizing an agreement with Ponderosa Builders LLC doing business as Ponderosa Construction for the Solid Ways Facility Reefuse Collection Container Pro Building.

Project number 25-01.

7A7A8, authorizing a contract for professional services with Crown Construction LLC for the Senior Center Water Service Replacement.

Project number 25-040.

7A9, authorizing a contract for professional services for the Sam H.

Hobbs Wastewater Treatment Plant Blower System Transformer Replacement.

7A10, authorizing an agreement and addendum number one between the City of Casper and Hilltop Securities Inc.

for municipal advisory services in the issuance management financial implementation and baseline advice of municipal debt.

7A11, authorizing amendment number one to the agreement in the city with the city of Casper and on the hook LLC for record and towing services.

7A12, authorizing amendment number one to the agreement with the City of Casper and All-Around Towing and Recovery, LLC for record and towing services.

7A13, authorizing amendment number one to the agreement with the City of Casper and Premier Towing and Recovery LLC for record towing and towing services.

7A15, authorizing amendment number one to the agreement with the City of Casper and ENF Towing Transportation and Recovery Inc.

for record and towing services.

7A16 authorizing amendment number one to the agreement with the city of Casper and Casper Roadside Assistance LLC for record and towing services.

Thank you.

The chair entertained a motion to adopt the consent agenda items just read.

Move by the vice mayor, seconded by councillor Jensen.

Adam City Manager, would you like to comment on any of these items?

No, thank you, Mayor.

Any abstentions or nay votes from the council?

Please cast your vote.

Please record the vote.

With all councillors voting aye, the motion passes.

Thank you so much.

At this time, we ask counselors to bring forward relevant concerns or items of interest with you.

I would ask that you guys would stay.

I'd like your contact information.

I have some questions.

And aside from that, I didn't have anything, so I'm boring.

Sorry.

Councilor Sweeney.

No, I didn't.

I was so enthralled with the corporations uh meeting today and other stuff going on.

I didn't write myself very many notes, but I did attend uh the uh Neutronic County uh district meeting uh this morning, the board meeting, and uh so um meals on wheels uh it brought to my attention.

I'm on that ward last week that uh their oversight group that gives out the funds has created a different funding formula uh that'll affect six centers across the state.

They've implemented or talking about implementing a cap of uh 230,000, which would be a reduction to meals on wheels, not necessarily to the senior center itself, but uh meals on wheels of about 300,000.

And so we were trying to discuss ways of approaching that uh board uh to uh reorganize or uh different thought process.

The funding model from the state and the legislature hasn't changed uh in a long time, but yet more senior centers have been stood up.

So no, there are people out there that did not vote for our new senior district.

Um we don't know exactly where the funds are gonna end up, but uh hopefully that can be offset a little bit.

Uh but with that, I think that's about all I have in uh I also would like to pass some information on to youth baseball.

So thank you.

Appreciate it.

Councilor Gamera.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh uh, don't know if you saw, but Mills had a first reading last week to rezone the Mountain Meadows subdivision in order to allow a development to build 80 to 85 homes just south of Wyoming Classical Academy.

And uh as someone who now routinely waits in line at the intersection of Robertson and Poison Spider Lane every morning due to increased traffic.

I must again uh warn us as a group to be mindful of these things as uh we you know consider additional development within our city limits.

Uh just worried about congestion over there.

So again, really looking forward to seeing the results of the Robertson Road Corridor Study and what their recommended uh solutions are because uh the problem's already bad.

It adding 80 to 85 homes right in uh next to the school, adding 60 town homes at Robertson Travett.

I'm just really worried about what that congestion looks like going forward.

Hank Hoversland from the Wyoming Taxpayers Association presented at my rotary club yesterday, and he gave a great overview of all things tax related for Neutrana County and the city of Casper, including some of the draft legislation currently being discussed in interim committees.

I would strongly recommend people visit their website.

They have a lot of great uh publishings, uh a lot of great documentation to read through.

I would also encourage you to complete their cowboy family exercise.

It'll show you uh if you put in some metrics as far as how many people are in your household, how much money you make, it'll show you how much you contribute to the state and tax revenues and how much you receive uh in the way of cost of services.

So uh it's just a great exercise.

I would encourage people to go uh peruse their website, lots of good information.

And then lastly, Tracy Belzer, our support services director will be retiring after 23 years of service to the community.

Her last day is this Wednesday, and uh so I just wanted to state that I've enjoyed getting to know Tracy over the years.

Um, thankful for her service and I wish her the very best into her retirement.

So I have thank you.

Elsor Jensen.

All right.

Um last week I did a Wyoming nonprofit network uh networking event.

Uh we're at the sports ranch, and it was for the Wyoming Senior Olympics who are coming here to Casper.

They do Casper and Cheyenne, and I think they mentioned Rollins too.

So they're gonna they're looking forward to that.

So it'll be bringing in people from all over the country actually too.

So um a little upsetting that I am now 50 and qualify as a senior so uh as it took me back for a minute.

But um nonetheless, I encourage all of you to get out there and be active.

They showed a picture of a guy that's 106, and he's still doing a hundred mile, or not a hundred mile, she's a hundred meter race.

And so it was quite fun to hear about that.

And we also have one here that lives and it's Della.

So I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with Della.

Um anyhow, so that was fun to hear what's up and coming.

So that and then did the Burger King regrand opening with Mike.

Um Vice Mayor, that was fun and exciting, and it was a beautiful building.

And the girl that took it over is now gonna be a franchise owner.

So she's just very excited about that, and she's telling us her history.

She's been working there since she was 16.

So it's from the ground up.

So it can be done.

Yeah, so that was kind of uplifting just to hear I like stories like that.

They're filled the heart.

Um otherwise, nothing else.

I have my little planner, like hat over here.

So I like paper and uh I have nothing else for this week, anyways.

Other than some other little smaller boards that I'm not on for the city.

Awesome.

That's it.

Thank you.

Councilor Larson.

Awesome.

Well, I um got to be downtown for Halloween and Halloween weekend.

Um quite the production down there, and I think around uh a number of other spots in town as well, lots of folks out, and so enjoyed getting to see the community out and enjoying what was relatively good weather for uh Casper Halloween.

Um today, I spent much of the day waiting to testify, corporations committee online about the uh public funds and lobbying bill that's been referenced a few times today.

Um that particular proposal did get tabled.

Um I didn't get to provide my testimony, but uh lots of other folks who were um aligned with uh my position in terms of the value that those organizations provide to our ability to do our job and um and to represent our constituents at the state um spoke.

And so you know that we were well we were well represented um uh with that committee.

I also got to sit on a panel about leadership with some friends from Game and Fish from around the state today, um, part of their leadership development um program that they have.

They they invited some folks from around this community to come talk about leadership.

We got to talk quite a lot about um service in local government, and um so so it was enjoyable to speak to those folks.

And tomorrow I'm joining the mayor um at Southridge Elementary School uh to talk to second graders, third graders, third graders um uh about a similar uh thing, uh city service and city government.

So um same topic, different audience.

Um I have coming up uh before next meeting.

So thanks.

Thank you.

All right, Smare.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Yeah, like Jenna said, we uh did the Burger King ribbon cutting was fun.

She's the uh new owner will be they're redoing their Gillette store now, and then uh we'll be redoing the other two Casper locations.

So East Side, we're gonna get a new Burger King.

Thank goodness.

And then uh Halloween trick-or-treaters were great.

We had over a hundred come to our house.

It's nice to see with it being on a Friday night, it was nice to see a lot of kids out and about enjoying themselves.

I had meetings that day, so I I was dressed in my suit when they started coming, didn't get a chance to change up.

So they all thought that was my Halloween costume.

It was me wearing a suit.

One of them asked me if I was supposed to be Trump.

I don't know if it was because the hair.

Anyway.

And then uh I will be with the mayor and counselor Pollock tomorrow at Southridge as well.

Looking forward to being able to chat with the kiddos about the government.

So that's all I've got.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh yeah, I just want to again, I'll be at Southridge.

Um, I think I've done it before, I think.

I think you were with me the last time we did it, and I think Councilman Gatroth.

Oh, yeah, you did the first time too.

Yeah.

So I'm looking forward to going and speaking to the third graders, the teacher for the third grade is a former youth group member of mine when I was a youth minister back when I was very younger, much younger than I am now.

So it's always good to be able to be a part of that.

Tomorrow is our um spec spectacle um press conference um at 11 a.m., which we'll be talking about and updating the community about um that special tax that we um that the community voted on.

So I'm looking forward to being being a part of that tomorrow.

My final comment, um, and I'm more directing it to the young man here.

Um you tell me your name again.

Ewan.

So one of the things that I uh I often say, especially in my background, um working with young people is that I know this coming to a meeting like this can be one can be boring, especially when you're hearing all these things over and over, whereas is and all those things.

But also what I want to point out is what took place today in in this conversation of what does it mean for us to be good stewards of democracy, but also good stewards of how we treat people with dignity and respect, especially those you and that have different beliefs.

The challenge is now for your generation, because a lot I've often said this, our generation and other and the older generations have mucked it up pretty bad.

And we've made a lot of mistakes and we've done a lot of things.

But my challenge to you as you work towards um earning that badge and the work that you're doing is that for your generation to take that mantle to do what is right, what is just and what is right for for our community and for what is right for our country.

And so that's my challenge to you as you work towards that.

And so I believe that the exchange that I had today, while very passionate because of what I believe about how individuals should be treated, um, no matter who they are, what they believe, um, should be treated with respect.

And that is my continued hope for our community that we can move towards that direction.

Thank you for being here, and um, you are the hope for our future.

Thank you, Ewan, for being here.

Yeah.

I offered him a tour.

I wrote all the information in this book for you, Dad.

Um I told him he gets it at your desk.

Love it.

You can hang out and do whatever he wants, yes.

Mayor.

Yes.

So if I could add one thing and do appreciate everybody's comments tonight, but I failed to mention we lost a great citizen of Casper.

Thank you.

Um, and uh vice president of the United States, and um with the uh Dick Cheney uh passing, and uh I think I first met him in the mid-80s when he was a congressman, and uh he had a group of Taiwanese uh uh over, and uh I've still got the uh little gift the the delegation gave me.

Um but uh um catered on his plane when he was with Halliburton.

Quite a nice golf stream they provided for um, but uh remarkable individual and uh hosted uh his class reunion um when he was vice president uh and they line they the uh city had police department had snipers on different buildings overlooking and um a lot of school buses to block terrorists and uh those were different times, definitely.

Uh but uh great great individual, uh great daughters, um remarkable um eldest daughter with Liz Cheney, and uh gave a lot to our country.

Thank you.

The next meeting of the city council will be a work session to be held on Wednesday, November 12th at 4:30 p.m.

And a regular council meeting will be held at 6 p.m.

on Tuesday, November 18th.

A notice of an executive session to take place on this date and during this meeting was given.

We have matters to discuss uh related to potential litigation.

The chair did entertain a motion to adjourn to an executive session, and on the conclusion of that executive session to reconvene the regular meeting solely for the purposes of the adjournment of a regular meeting.

So moved.

Moved by counselor Pollock, seconded by counselor Haskins.

There are a majority of counselors present, and a motion to adjourn into an executive session has been moved and seconded.

This motion requires a two thirds majority of the council present.

Please cast your vote.

Please record the vote.

With all counselors voting aye, the motion passes.

A greater than two thirds majority of the council present voted in favor of the motion.

We are hereby adjourned to an executive session.