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Chapel Hill Planning Commission Meeting - May 20, 2025: Mixed-Use Development Lessons from Southern Village

Meeting PortalTuesday, May 20, 2025
BodyChapel Hill, North Carolina
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DateTuesday, May 20, 2025
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0:02

Okay.

0:06

Welcome everybody to the May 20th Planning Commission meeting in person here in Town Hall.

0:14

Delighted to have everyone with us today.

0:18

And we are going to start with a roll call.

0:22

I'll start from this end.

0:24

Chuck.

0:25

Here.

0:26

Jeff?

0:27

Here.

0:29

Eric?

0:30

Here.

0:30

Livy.

0:32

Here.

0:33

John.

0:34

Here.

0:36

Strather's not here.

0:39

And Wes, both of whom are ill, but both may be watching.

0:49

And may send some questions in by text online.

0:53

So hopefully they'll be able to join us, but they're not able to come today.

0:59

So we're going to start with the minutes, and we actually have uh well, actually, are there any announcements from the PC?

1:10

Are there any petitions from the Planning Commission from the public?

1:16

Nope.

1:17

All right.

1:17

We're going to move to minutes.

1:19

If you recall, the minutes from the um April 15th meeting had some uh discrepancies, so we're now taking a second shot at them.

1:31

Anybody have any uh corrections or clarifications?

1:36

If not, do we have any motions?

1:37

I move adoption of the April 15th uh meeting minutes.

1:43

Second?

1:44

Second.

1:45

John is seconding.

1:46

Uh raise your hand if you're all in favor.

1:49

All opposed?

1:50

Okay.

1:51

Passes unanimously.

1:52

And what about May 6th?

1:55

Any comments on the minutes, discussion?

1:58

Any motions?

2:00

There's one at the beginning of at the top of page two under approval agenda, it says a motion was made that the council approved to bracket due date.

2:09

The motion carried by a unanimous vote.

2:12

So I don't think that's supposed to be there.

2:14

Yeah, I will.

2:16

So I move um adoption of the May 6th, 2025 Planning Commission meeting minutes with the correction of that approval of agenda item.

2:27

Um Jacob, does that work?

2:34

Yeah, that was just a little technical error.

2:38

All right.

2:39

Blame the intern.

2:40

Is there a seconded as amended?

2:46

Okay, Eric.

2:48

All in favor.

2:50

All opposed?

2:52

All right.

2:53

Approved as amended.

2:54

Okay.

2:56

So uh old business, there is none.

3:00

New business.

3:02

Um today.

3:03

We have just one item on our agenda.

3:06

I'm really excited about this.

3:08

We have been doing a series of special topics where we can delve in a little uh more deeply into issues, particularly of interest as the town is uh revising its LUMO, but also just broadly related to planning and development within Chapel Hill.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Mixed Use Development█████████████████████████████████████████████46%
Land Use Management███████████████████████24%
Procedural████████████12%
Public Engagement█████████9%
Personnel Matters███3%
Planning and Zoning██2%
Community Engagement██2%
Affordable Housing1%
Public Transportation1%
Summary of Proceedings

Chapel Hill Planning Commission Meeting - May 20, 2025

The Planning Commission met on Tuesday, May 20, 2025, at 7:00 PM in the Council Chamber (RM 110) at Town Hall. The primary agenda item was a special discussion on mixed-use development planning, featuring D.R. Bryan, developer of Southern Village, and a summary of a conversation with Roger Perry of East West Partners. The Commission also approved minutes from prior meetings and discussed future meeting schedules and appointment processes.

Consent Calendar

  • Approval of Minutes: The minutes from the April 15, 2025 meeting were adopted unanimously after a motion (seconded) with no corrections. The minutes from the May 6, 2025 meeting were approved as amended, correcting a technical error in the "Approval of Agenda" item (a line stating "the council approved to bracket due date" was removed). The motion carried unanimously.

Discussion Items

  • Mixed-Use Development Planning: Lessons from Southern Village and Beyond
    • Introduction: Chair Elizabeth Losos framed the discussion as part of a series on special topics, building on a previous session with Blue Hill and the Community Design Commission (CDC). She invited CDC members Susan Lyons, Heather Washburn, and John Wise to join the discussion.
    • Presentation by D.R. Bryan: Bryan, developer of Southern Village (approximately 1,165 units built on 136 approved acres over roughly 8-11 years), shared four slides focused on street trees. He contrasted Southern Village's design (narrower streets, alleys, street trees between curb and sidewalk) with a neighboring development using town standards. Key points:
      • Oaks are preferable to maples for long-term canopy; maples planted 25 years ago are underperforming compared to oaks planted at the same time.
      • A 7-foot planting strip (with 5-foot sidewalks) is the minimum for street trees; 6 feet is too tight.
      • Southern Village used a 27-foot street width with staggered parking on both sides.
      • He advocated for a 7-foot minimum planting strip and noted that the current ordinance restricts trees within 8 feet of the curb, which limits street tree placement.
    • Summary of Roger Perry Conversation (presented by Vice Chair Jonathan Mitchell): Perry (East West Partners) provided reflections on Meadowmont, East 54, and downtown Chapel Hill. Key observations:
      • Meadowmont's retail is "buried" in the interior, turning its back on the community, which caused struggles. This layout was mandated by the Town Council due to public fear of commercial development.
      • Meadowmont could have been denser with taller buildings to preserve open space, but that was politically off the table.
      • Connectivity on sloped land should follow topography with curved streets, not a rigid grid (as imposed on Southern Village).
      • East 54 succeeded due to a willing council and a mix of uses (offices, retail, restaurants, affordable and market-rate housing).
      • Downtown Chapel Hill lacks a holistic master plan; overly long block lengths on Franklin and Rosemary Streets hinder pedestrian connectivity. He suggested pocket parks or new sidewalks to connect corridors.
      • The primary barrier to mixed-use development in Chapel Hill is not the Land Use Management Ordinance (LUMO) but a long-standing lack of political will. The Gateway area could benefit from a pedestrian overpass over Fordham Boulevard and a shuttle loop linking Gateway, Blue Hill, and East Town.
    • Bryan's Responses and Additional Discussion:
      • He largely agreed with Perry but disagreed on the street grid: Southern Village intentionally cut hillsides to create conversational distances (porches near sidewalks) and reverse-engineered early 20th-century neighborhoods (e.g., West End in Winston-Salem).
      • On density: Southern Village was as dense as the market would bear at the time; he would have preferred more density in hindsight.
      • On retail anchors: Anchors (e.g., Weaver Street Market, a 110-room hotel, movie theater) are crucial for supporting smaller retail. The village center is now performing better over time, currently 100% leased while Chapel Hill office vacancy is ~20% (excluding sublease).
      • On placemaking: Successful themes must be authentic (e.g., Seaside's informal beach town). He emphasized long-term ownership (kept ownership of village center, apartments, hotel) to realize value over 25 years.
      • On infill development: He suggested a form-based code for the Gateway area (from Wegmans to I-40), leveraging lessons from Blue Hill, and recommended direct town engagement with large property owners (e.g., State Employees' Credit Union) to catalyze redevelopment.
      • On trees: He reiterated the need for a 7-foot planting strip and acknowledged sidewalk buckling as a maintenance cost.

Key Outcomes

  • Future Meetings: The Commission scheduled regular meetings for June 3 and June 17, 2025. June 3 will likely be virtual; June 17 will be in person (last meeting of the term). A retreat is planned for August 2025.
  • Appointments Process: The Commission agreed to review applications for three open seats (including reapplications from current members Eric and Strather) without formal interviews. They will submit a recommendation to the Council based on application review, highlighting attributes. The Council's action on a membership policy (possibly reducing board size) is pending.
  • LUMO Update: No specific timetable was provided; the chair suggested requesting an update from staff (Taz) at a June meeting.
  • No Formal Votes on Mixed-Use Policy: The discussion was informational; no motions were made regarding mixed-use policy or code changes. The chair indicated the Commission may write up findings and recommendations for the Council.

Meeting Transcript

Okay. Welcome everybody to the May 20th Planning Commission meeting in person here in Town Hall. Delighted to have everyone with us today. And we are going to start with a roll call. I'll start from this end. Chuck. Here. Jeff? Here. Eric? Here. Livy. Here. John. Here. Strather's not here. And Wes, both of whom are ill, but both may be watching. And may send some questions in by text online. So hopefully they'll be able to join us, but they're not able to come today. So we're going to start with the minutes, and we actually have uh well, actually, are there any announcements from the PC? Are there any petitions from the Planning Commission from the public? Nope. All right. We're going to move to minutes. If you recall, the minutes from the um April 15th meeting had some uh discrepancies, so we're now taking a second shot at them. Anybody have any uh corrections or clarifications? If not, do we have any motions? I move adoption of the April 15th uh meeting minutes. Second? Second. John is seconding. Uh raise your hand if you're all in favor. All opposed? Okay. Passes unanimously. And what about May 6th? Any comments on the minutes, discussion? Any motions? There's one at the beginning of at the top of page two under approval agenda, it says a motion was made that the council approved to bracket due date. The motion carried by a unanimous vote. So I don't think that's supposed to be there. Yeah, I will. So I move um adoption of the May 6th, 2025 Planning Commission meeting minutes with the correction of that approval of agenda item. Um Jacob, does that work? Yeah, that was just a little technical error. All right. Blame the intern. Is there a seconded as amended? Okay, Eric. All in favor.

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