To order it is 5 45 p.m.

I'm Heather Washburn.

I'm the chair of the um community design commission.

And let's go through rope roll call.

So I've introduced myself.

Uh Patrick.

Brennan?

I'm Patrick Brennan, the vice chair of the commission.

Very late because of a flight delay, so apologies to all involved, and thanks for your patience.

Uh here.

Okay, Jim Farron.

Present.

Kelsey Brinkley.

I think she's muted.

You mute.

You can raise your hand, Kelsey.

We'll acknowledge that Kelsey is here.

She just raised her hand.

We'll see if we can get that sound worked out.

Did everyone have a chance to take a look at the agenda?

Most definitely.

Did anyone not see it?

If you didn't let us know.

Okay.

Do we need to do any discussion, Anna Scott?

Or can we just go through and approve uh vote for approval of the agenda?

Okay.

Um let's just run down the line.

I'd like to going forward, like on the quick things.

Um if we have we have this raise hand option that for like approval of agenda or um announcements, things that are quick to go.

Uh I would really like us just to use the raised hand option.

I will also do a call to say if there's um anyone that doesn't agree, then they'll have a chance to raise their hand and we'll move forward that way.

But on the the bigger items, like when we're in the new business, or if we're discussing old business, then we'll go one by one so that we can um get everybody's individual vote.

How does that sound?

Good plan.

All right, let's give it a try.

So if you agree with me, I mean raise your hand.

Perfect.

Okay.

Um let's make a motion to approve the agenda.

You need to make a motion to approve the agenda.

Can I get a second?

I second.

Okay, Kelsey is seconded.

All right, then let's um uh let's vote to approve all those that um are a yay, please raise your hand.

All four of us, so no nays, and we can move forward.

Um announcement.

Uh we have one and there's a typo in the agenda that says please note that November meeting will be held on Monday, November 11th.

That's actually November 10th.

It's also later in our agenda, but I just wanted to make sure that everybody was aware.

Anna Scott.

Um, yes.

Um, I wanted to also add an announcement to please let Adam know your availability for December meeting being moved, so you don't have to do it between Christmas and New Year's.

Do we have a date then for December or not?

Um Adam sent out an email um with the possible days, and he would like for you to let him know which days um work for you.

Uh I think I should have.

If it's at all possible for folks to accommodate the earlier date, that is better because I am expecting on December 16th.

So I'd like to get it in before the baby comes.

Wow.

Okay.

So that's a pretty good that's a pretty good reason.

I make a motion that we consider the earlier date then.

I Anna Scott, do you have those dates just on hand?

I'm looking as well to see if I can get the dates pulled up.

Oh, I only I think you only included the November days in the email.

I didn't see any December days.

No, I suppose I agree.

I am not aware of any email on December dates either.

Here, let me go for the only calendar fold.

That's for November.

Generally, I I wonder we can have a little bit there's a way to make the emails more clear.

Okay, I'm not finding anything for December.

Um Scott, can you have Adam send it again?

Yeah, I can have him send the dates that um work around the other advisory board and council meetings during those two weeks.

I'm not finding it, and um I feel like I'm gonna be okay with the earlier date, but I remember seeing it, I'm not finding it in my email now.

Um I have one other kind of announcement, but more of a reminder.

Um it's really important for the commissioners to be at these meetings on time.

I understand that things come up like today, but I just want to acknowledge the professionals that have been waiting for us for half an hour.

Um, these folks are uh just like us, we're giving our time, but they're not giving their time away.

They are on the clock.

Um, so let's make the best effort of getting to these meetings on time.

If you cannot make the meeting, it's really important that you reach out to Adam or myself well in advance that there might be an issue.

Um again, I'm not trying to uh I guess I'm hammering this home a little bit, but um, I just I feel for the professionals that have been waiting.

All right, I'm off my soapbox.

Um are there any petitions?

No, there are not.

Okay, I think we can move on to uh approval of the minutes.

Um did everybody have a chance to look at the minutes.

Yes.

Did anybody have any questions or changes or anything that we need to bring up?

No, I did not either.

Um we have a motion to approve the minutes.

I make a motion to approve the minutes of the August meeting of the CDC.

Can I have a second?

I second.

Thank you, Kelsey.

Okay, can we vote to approve and we'll use or raise the hand for this one?

Um if you approve the minutes, please raise your hand.

I'll have approved.

I know nay, so let's move forward.

Okay.

So I'm not seeing any old business.

Um, so we can move on into the new business.

And uh Anna Scott, I'm gonna I'm assuming you're taking it from here to introduce.

Uh yes, sorry, I just tried to turn my camera on and then move it right back off.

Um, I have a quick presentation on the design, the design guidelines.

Um, and then the applicant can share their um plan set or presentation um that they have prepared.

Okay.

All right.

Are folks seeing my screen?

Yes.

Okay, perfect.

Um, so this is just gonna be the briefest of brief overviews of the design guidelines in case you didn't have a chance to look over them before the meeting, um, or just to refresh your memory.

Um, so this is the design guidelines for Caraway Village for the medical office building that you will be reviewing tonight.

Um so just an overview of the framework for the design guidelines, and we will be focusing on the architectural guidelines, section 1.4.

Um, so here's the um pieces that go into the architectural guidelines.

I'll touch briefly on them and focus on a couple key points for you to keep in mind, but the the sections are the the goals, the architectural expression, the building roofs, the common material palette, the building glazing, the street frontages, and the entrance feature.

So using the guidelines, the guidelines are recommendations for consistency that are supposed to be used by design professionals, town staff, and the development review board.

So and also to the purpose is to define elements of building design and the architectural unification.

It's not meant to control the style or creativity of design, but to like I said, create a unifying form and a strong sense of community in place.

For architectural expression, the design guidelines call out the design being conventional and modern with having a clean and efficient style.

The for modern being no unpurposeful architectural features, but still being elevated for the user experience.

Predominantly flat, shallow pitch, parapet walls, and pitched roofs are all elements that were touched on in the guidelines.

I did want to call y'all's attention to the common material palette.

This palette is not an exhaustive list that is set in stone, but more of a starting point to be added on to.

So the list that was in the guidelines is not an exclusive list for the materials to be used for design.

I did also want to point out the building glazing because that is another thing that y'all will be reviewing.

The retail facades, the primary elevation should be composed of 40% masonry or glazing.

And then the residential and office primary elevation should be composed of 30% masonry and glazing.

For street frontages, I'll just call out the office, glazing and finestration recession, building entries and landscape information portion of the guidelines.

And then the entrance feature is this entrance signage that you can see on the screen, but isn't really a part of this application.

And with that, just gonna throw up some more images of the design guidelines.

But that's all I have for you.

On the quick overview, the applicant will go through their application and you can ask the applicant any questions that you have as it relates to the design guidelines.

I see Robert, you've unmuted.

So I'm assuming you'll be presenting.

Yes.

And thank you for the opportunity this this evening.

And with me we have uh Chris Shape with uh DCI with the ownership team and also we have uh Ryan Bailey with uh redline architecture.

I'm I think he is we were hoping to have uh there might have been a change, but he's in attendance.

Um I didn't know if he'd be able to uh present or speak to the architectural portion of the project.

But Robert, what was the who was the uh Brian Bailey is on?

I can I can promote him or allow him to talk um is he going to be presenting?

Uh yes.

Okay, let me promote to a panelist.

Okay.

And I can give you.

Thank you.

We're in okay, perfect.

And I can share okay.

So this is uh the Careway Village UNC medical office um in block A of the Careway Village development.

Um it is here in this off of UBanks uh behind the Wendy's that is now open.

Caddy corner from the Chick-fil-A.

Uh this will be a UNC uh imaging center uh with uh outpatient facilities.

Um the layout for the site.

Uh we have a shared access with Wendy's, um, and then we have the main driveway here to the entrance, and with circulation, we'll have uh the shared access in the back with Wendy's.

Uh we are on the Interstate 40 frontage with the landscape buffer, uh pretty intense landscape buffer that's that's part of Caraway Village along 40, and then in the back, we have a shared wet pond uh that will that treats uh the runoff from a number of parcels here.

Um we are connecting our site to the uh the pedestrian sidewalk uh along Village Shutter Drive to connect with uh the other multimodal uh portions of the site with the bus stop uh and we also have our building frontage um for we have a uh freestanding trellis along the front to meet our building frontage requirements, similar to what you see on the Starbucks site uh there at the at the corner.

Um from there, if there we can I can switch over to the architectural features for the site.

Okay.

And actually, if you can, there we go, page one.

So the first series of views here is showing our screening study for the rooftop equipment to make sure that we've got that concealed.

So we've looked at that from all angles.

Um in the lower right hand, you see the primary drive-in, uh driving back toward the building.

The upper right is from the exit ramp.

So we're looking at uh the grading there as well as that main entrance signage that will partially kind of uh be in our viewpoint.

And then uh in the lower left, we just have a little bit further up the drive.

And then you can go ahead.

So here uh first couple renderings of the building, the lower right.

So there's a primary view of the building as visitors will come back toward it.

So we've taken that that left west wall and kind of popped that off the mass to break that off and give it some definition.

Uh we've given the building more glazing on that face again as a welcoming element along with a canopy uh at the main entry that pops out there in the lower left.

Uh we have emphasize the base of the building consistent with the guidelines.

So you'll see a darker color brick on the base uh with some banding of recessed features in that area.

Um in the lower left, let me speak to the just the material selection.

So we have two uh of the brick selections from again suggested by the guidelines to be consistent with adjacent projects.

So we've got a darker color uh that we're using for the banding in the base, and then a lighter color for the upper as well as the accent wall.

Uh, then we're utilizing two shades of metal panel that you see there on the upper right, and then we have that uh shark shark um thin metal treatment there that is up above the glass on the main feature wall.

Brian, can you point to where that is just in case somebody doesn't know what that is?

Yeah, there thank you, Robert.

Yeah, at the uh top portion of the glazing.

Okay.

So the upper left, uh, this would be the approach from the primary parking area.

So as you approach, you can see the canopy uh slides under that feature wall to create some shadow and visibility opportunities there, uh, moments of interest and welcome, uh, additional glazing there above the canopy uh for conference areas up there.

And then to the left, we have the massing broken out with some metal panel feature there, the darker metal panel with the lighter to outline and kind of frame out that portion of the mass.

The lower left is a kind of probably the least visible angle of the building.

Uh, and given it is a medical building, the glazing isn't really opportunistic, opportunistic for a lot of the clinical exam rooms.

So we've tried to position those here with a bit more of a solid appearance on that corner of the building.

And these are the straight-on elevation views.

Um from the top, that is kind of facing the exit ramp from 40.

That's our east elevation, breaking up the mass again with the banding to emphasize the base as well as break up the mass with the metal panel uh and signage portion there.

The third one down again, that's kind of the main straight-on elevation as you would be coming into the property, so more glazing, more welcoming on that accent wall.

And then the bottom.

I'm sorry, the bottom is kind of coming from the main lot.

So you have the metal panel portion of the massing on the left with the additional glazing and canopy to the right.

And then the last page we have is uh pretty simple, just making the waste enclosure coincide with with the masonry selection and material palette, but tucking that in there.

I think that rounds it out.

Um we're happy to answer any questions.

You talked about uh the pond.

Did any drainage issues you run into as you conceive this problem?

Jim, I'll I'll give you a chance.

We'll go into questions next.

And I'm happy to let you start, Jim.

Okay.

Sorry to uh interrupt your I appreciate you steering in the good direction.

Yeah, that was just a question relative to drainage in the pond.

Uh no, there's no been no uh drainage issues uh in that area that that's been identified currently uh the site is now uh more of a detention pond that is temporarily uh holding the water from uh the windy site and some of Eubanks Road.

Um the plan was always to add uh a fourth uh where is it for a stormwater facility back here in the corner?

So that's that's what that's what this part uh development does as the last the last development of block A.

Just to install that last pond.

Any other questions, Jim?

No, that's fine.

Uh with some of the past issues of drainage in this uh area.

Um it's always something to be cognizant of.

Absolutely.

Kelsey, do you have any questions?

I did not.

Um, I appreciate um the different angles, and especially from the exit ramp, one I wouldn't necessarily consider uh thinking about first off.

So thank you.

As that's my commute home, I I do think about that.

Ah, okay.

Good reason to then.

Very thoughtful.

Uh Patrick, do you have any questions?

Uh yeah, I do.

I want to follow up on uh Jim's uh lineup question, and and I know Tom McAdams and have a lot of respect for him, and so I know if Mick Adams is involved involved in this is a good project.

But do um uh Robert and Ryan, do you guys are there any additional measures you might recommend the town takes from a design standpoint to mitigate potential flooding issues or uh stormwater runoff issues that aren't currently envisioned in this plan?

Um for me, I think the town of Chapel Hill has taken great strides in trying to mitigate um the increased runoff from these from these sites.

They go above uh what's required by the state um and attention and treatment.

So I think you know what y'all are doing has will you'll you'll see the benefits of that in the future and continue to um as more development comes.

Yeah, there's been a lot of careful consideration on this parsley um with recognition that we're taking on some of the runoff from adjacent sites and just the way that you know, the way the planning of the whole overall development was such that that was the case.

But you know, it's been top of mind for us and Robert and team have been all over that, scrutinizing the elevation of the building, first floor, um, just just to maximize and ensure that that's all treated, treated well.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thanks, Patrick.

Um I have a couple of questions.

Um is around uh site lighting fixtures.

I didn't see the site lighting plan.

Did you pre you planning to present that?

Uh yes, but then I skipped over it.

Um here's the site the site lighting plan uh from Duke Energy.

Uh the fixtures we have are uh 300 Kelvin shoebox features.

So that account, you know, reduce any uplighting.

Very typical for uh this development.

And where's the style A?

I saw the other two and style A.

Where the little Oh, this this one.

Is that the pole where it says style A?

Is that just the poll?

That's yes, that's the pole.

The fiberglass pole.

Okay, okay, now I understand.

I wasn't sure if that was a bollard or like pathlighting or something like that.

So thank you for that clarification.

And then um you mentioned the extensive uh site, um, the landscaping, and um I see it here, but did you have a landscape plan?

We do have a landscape plan here.

So our landscape plan accounts for the on-site uh improvements.

Great.

So we have this the screening here between the Wendy's um and then additional screening at the top of this um wall.

There's already the uh the stream buffers, but additional additional screening and additional shrubs uh here at the entrance.

Are the plants that you put in there?

Are those were those um to help in uh cleaning the water the water that's gonna be sheeting off of the parking or um those are drought tolerant?

Um it's it's right in between the parking area anda.

So I wanted to see if you could just elaborate on what it was that you're using there.

Sure.

So the the drainage from the parking lot would be captured.

There's uh in the grading plan, they would be captured in these uh this catch basin and go to the wet pond.

Okay, um, so we're not we're not sheet flowing over the the wall or or really discharging directly to the stream.

Okay.

Um without without treatment.

So all the all the runoff would be captured in this wet pond and then would be discharged out to the stream after treatment.

Um the the plantings are uh drought tolerant um and made it where we can.

Um so the the different types of plants here uh the ink berries and the viburnums I I know are local uh ornamental.

Um but they aren't they aren't necessarily for any actual treatment per se.

Got them, yeah.

Okay.

Um I think from the commissioners that's all of our questions.

Um, do I open this up to the public or do we go to comments next?

We um typically do public comment next, and we do have quite a few attendees.

Um if anyone from the public would like to speak, please raise your hand and I can allow you to talk.

I'm not seeing anybody raise their hands.

So Heather, I think we can move on to the commission's comments.

Okay.

Um let's go in the same order.

So um Jim, if you will start us off with any comments that you have.

I guess uh general comment, it's an attractive looking building.

I very site friendly.

That would be my main comment.

Great.

Thank you.

Kelsey.

No additional comments from me.

Thank you.

Patrick.

Yeah, so it's a well designed building.

Nice job.

Thank you.

Appreciate that.

So I want to say I love that you are taking care of this water and holding it before it's getting to that stream.

The use of the landscape around there is great.

Also, let tell you the lighting is at the 3,000 Kelvin, so it's not harsh on the eyes, but effectively light the parking lot so that we can all see.

So I am with the others.

I think this was a very well thought out building, and I look forward to it landing there.

So at this point, I think we need to make a motion.

I motion to approve.

All right, do we have a second?

Okay, on this one, we're just gonna go down the line and um you say yes or no.

Okay.

Um Jim, we'll start with you.

Yes.

Kelsey.

Yes.

Patrick.

Yes.

And I am a yes, Heather Washburn.

All right.

Shall we move on to Chase Bank?

Thank you.

Thank you.

You're very welcome.

Thanks, gentlemen.

Um, Heather, I don't have a presentation for Chase Bank.

So the applicant, Lauren, I see you have come off camera and off mute.

I'm assuming you'll be presenting.

Um Robert, if you wouldn't mind ending your screen share.

There we go.

Can you all see my screen?

Yes.

Okay, perfect.

Um, thank you all very much for your time.

My name is Lauren Jester.

I'm with Core States Group.

We're the uh the architect director for this uh new Chase branch.

Um on the call today.

I do have Catherine Patford.

She's also senior project architect with the project, and then we do have Jessica who's with Bowler Engineering, who's our CIPA engineer.

So I'll actually hand it off to Jessica first to run through the site, site lighting, landscaping, and then we will uh circle back and discuss the building elements here.

All right, thank you, Lauren.

Um, do you mind jumping to the landscape plan real quick first?

So this site is in the Meadowmont development, um, specifically at 200 Meadow Mont Village Circle.

Um this is an existing site.

It's currently developed to essentially this layout.

It's a two-story building.

Um, we are plan to come in and just and reuse the building.

Um site design-wise.

The plan is just to upfit the site.

We are replacing the sidewalk in the front where the front doors are where you see the double doors.

Um we're replacing that fully and the ADA parking as well to bring all that up to compliance since the current condition is not in compliance.

We're proposing a new trash enclosure in this site, and then we're going to be up and uh milling overlaying the asphalt to just freshen up the site and repave it.

As for the landscaping itself, we are maintaining all the existing vegetation along the perimeter of the parking lot.

You can kind of see it in like a bubbly hat or like bubbly line type on the south and the left side of the page.

Um we're proposing some new plantings by the dumpster enclosure since that whole area was pavement and the existing condition.

We're just removing some paint some of the pavement and freshening it up.

And then on the right side, we have a 50-foot transit easement that runs through uh just right of the building.

And in this area is currently just vegetated area, and we plan to come in and replace that vegetation.

So we're taking that out and just replanting it with um newer plantings.

Um as for the landscape or the lighting.

Go there again, because this is an existing site.

We are reusing the existing light poles that are located on site.

We are just updating the fixtures.

And so you'll see there's some notes in there that just says we're reusing existing poles, new fixture.

All around the building, we're using sconces throughout to light up the sidewalks and specifically at the ATM.

Chase has specific standards to bring up the lighting for security reasons in that area.

So you'll see some higher um foot candles produced in that section.

And yeah, Laura, I don't know if you want to take it from there.

If there's any questions, or at least on the landscaping lighting, but I'm sure we'll get to that after Lauren uh presents hers.

Yeah, so I mean, as far as the building type, as as Jessica's already said, we're we're retrofitting the existing building.

So as far as the facade, we're not changing too much.

We are refreshing it just a little bit, keeping with the existing brick style.

We'll obviously clean it, make sure it looks new.

Um there is existing painted areas of brick along the building.

We'll be providing a new paint finish, which is this uh Sherman Williams dovetail finish.

Um, so that'll basically kind of break up the the base of the building itself.

Um, and then some accented areas that will get painted as well.

Um, we we are keeping our kind of white trim around the the middle and the the top coping areas, um, but again, not changing too much as far as the overall look, um just giving it a new fresh look.

Existing storefront staying as is, so it'll keep with that existing white kind of uh almost colonial finish.

Um and then uh we are removing some of the existing fabric awnings that at this point some of fabric was already removed, so they're just wire.

Um, but we'll be providing some new fabric awnings at some of our main entrances, um, our main entrance, double doors above our walk-up ATM after our deposit, um, just kind of keeping with the existing look.

So there'll be similar black fabric awnings, um, nothing nothing metal of any sort being proposed here.

Um, and then as Jessica mentioned, uh just some ADA upgrades.

So we are calling attention to a new landing and ramp um just at one of our entrances as as there's existing landing and stairs, but it was not ADA compliant, so we're we're bringing that into compliance.

And then as Jessica had also referenced, we are doing some new sconces around the building.

They are primarily just down lighting sconces, they're not up, down, just down.

Um, so we shouldn't be projecting any light outside too far outside of our building.

Um, but that that is pretty much it with the exterior facade.

If you're familiar with this building, um hopefully you can tell it's not changing too much.

So open to any questions if anybody had buddy.

Um let's start with uh questions from Kelsey.

I do not have any specific questions.

Okay, uh Patrick.

Uh no questions either.

Jim.

Yes, couple just more historical.

Uh is the uh what was in that building prior to you taking it over?

It was a well Spargo.

Um, it was a bank uh branch slash like a corporate office, so we're we're pretty much keeping it the same use.

It's not going to be a JP Morgan branch.

Yeah, that was my my recollection that I just wanted reinforcement.

And is that uh another footprint in the area, or is that replacing some another Chase facility?

Uh I'm not too sure.

It might be a new Chase branch.

Um we we'd have to probably talk with our clients.

I'm not sure if they're relocating another branch here.

Okay.

Those are my only questions.

Looks like a nice project.

I have a uh one um question for you.

On the landscaping where you're replanting, um, are you all right, just putting back exactly what was there?

They're just new versions, or um, are you putting in more sustainable plants, drought tolerant plants?

It'll be the replacement of what's already there.

Okay.

Chase loves seeing visibility from the road, and right now all that vegetation is very matured, and so we're just replanting what's already there, just so it's um newer plantings.

Okay.

That's my only questions.

Um, so we can open it up to public comment.

Um same thing as before.

If uh you're attending and would like to speak, please use the raise hand function.

I'm not seeing any, so I think we can move on, but if anything comes up, Heather, I I'll let you know.

Okay.

Uh let's see and start with Kelsey um comments.

I think you've done a nice job.

It fits within you know MeadowMont and um you know consistent across you know the other buildings in the area.

So I appreciate your you know thoughtfulness to uh keep it within um that standard look.

Patrick, any comments.

I think you mentioned you're painting the brick.

I think as it stands now, the the brick is all natural.

And given sort of the look of of um of Meadowmont, I wonder if there's any concern around painting the brick.

Um as opposed to leaving it as is.

I certainly get one in advance from a branding standpoint, but um, I think yeah, just to jump in there.

There is actually painted brick as a as it stands.

Uh if you can see my screen, I do have photos of the existing site as it is.

So there's there's a mixture of painted and uh you know, unexposed brick or exposed brick.

So we're just painting the areas that are already painted because it'll be hard to clean that off and get it back to its original look, in our opinion.

It's I mean, the color it's it's uh it's a gray finish.

Um I mean, obviously it's a little difficult to tell on the screen here, but it it's not usually too too dark.

Um, but that that's our proposal.

The existing finish is kind of this yellowy um collar, which which shows a lot of wear and tear.

So we're we're proposing a uh Sherman Williams dovetail gray finish.

Um, I mean, we we're happy to explore any other finishes if if you feel something different is warranted.

I don't know how the other commissioners feel, but I I just I uh one of the things I think is is really charming about Meadow Mont is there seems to be sort of a consistent color palette uh from building to building, and so to the extent that that theme could be maintained, I think it would help to maintain that charm, but but I'll defer the other commissioners what they think.

Any other thing sorry, Patrick.

Any did you have any other comments?

I didn't mean to talk about it.

No, no, that's all for me.

Okay.

Um so I'll pick up where Patrick left off.

Um I totally understand refreshing the the paint and going to a gray will very much hide the dirt.

I also like that that helps to break down the massing that's there.

Um and uh my other comment is that I would really encourage you to when you have the opportunity to do a replanting to think about the environment and bringing in plants that are either native that can still fit the the requirements of chase and visibility, but that actually help to um uh be kinder to our environment um than just putting back in the same plants that are gonna get ripped out again the next time they look bad.

Um I I think this is a a missed opportunity, and I would encourage you to go back and talk to your clients about trying to start to fold that into the language.

Yeah, definitely.

We'll take a look at that.

We're still in uh review with Chapel Hill on the zoning side, which includes some of the landscaping, so we can definitely take a look at that and swap it out with any of those native and drought tolerant plants.

Yeah, I'm seeing that around town and um over in Carborough, and that's kind of becoming the trend, which I think is a great trend uh for us to be on.

The other thing is uh I like the that um it definitely fits with Meadowmont.

Um it's I mean, it's a uh plug-in kind of thing.

So I don't really have much more comments for you.

Everything makes sense as far as I'm concerned.

Um can I get um uh a motion of approval, but with the um I just wanted I didn't have an opportunity to say anything.

Oh, I'm sorry, Jim.

I did that's okay.

Uh uh no, I'm not I I guess uh being a little bit more uh global.

I'm I'm very pleased that you took uh an existing uh uh vacant structure, and uh I think when it's all said and done a little better than it ever did before.

So I think that's good that you're taking something that was maybe not an ISOR, but not utilized.

So that's a man to that.

Second that's my only comment.

Um well, Jim, would you like to uh make a motion for approval?

Yes, I will make uh a motion for approval of this uh project.

Uh can I get a second?

I second that motion.

All right.

Okay, then let's go to a vote again.

I'll go down the line.

Um Jim, how do you vote?

Yes.

Patrick, how do you vote?

Yes.

Kelsey?

Yes.

And I Heather Washburn and also a yes.

All right.

What is next on our list?

Oh thank you so much for those that came in.

Um looks like we're moving on to seat vacancies.

Thank you all for doing.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Yeah.

Um, did everyone get a chance to review the um the applications that came in?

I did not.

When did when did they get sent over?

Uh well, actually, I wonder, Anna, Scott, are you gonna do any kind of presentation?

I am not.

I can pull up the applications that were in the agenda.

That'll be great.

I feel like my um somehow I feel like my pages got out of order.

Let me pull it.

So Anna, there are four people.

I guess the last time I looked, I had only seen two.

Uh female from the UNC philanthropy and uh an architect who is moving into town.

So I I don't know if there's another two.

Yeah, so uh yes.

Yeah, Heather, go ahead.

Um, I have four uh Kimberly Andrews.

Um that you can see here.

Um highlights that I this was the person that um extensive experience and community engagement with uh town of Carberough.

Um finds importance of community involvement, uh, has been involved with the arts committee of Carborough.

Um is interested in integrating diverse voices into planning and development efforts.

Um you guys can go into detail.

I just highlight it, these are my highlights.

Um finds that it's important to build consensus, fostering teamwork to achieve shared goals, um, has had experience with boards, quorums, voting processes through the involvement with various boards at UNC uh Chapel Hill.

And then is a native of Chapel Hill, is uh her father was a business owner on Franklin Street and later a contractor.

Um long-term, I think is in alignment with North Carolina's long-term goals of fostering economic development, enhancing infrastructure, and promoting sustainable practices is dedicated to supporting the town's vision for a vibrant, inclusive, and sustainable future.

Um their background is in design, landscape architecture and horticulture.

Uh hands-on experience reading architectural plans, uh working with materials and implementing landscape design, uh has experience with the North Carolina Botanical Garden.

Um expanded knowledge on sustainable landscaping, native plant species, and horticulture, and uh believes their skill set.

Um I'll just read it.

I believe this diverse skill set equips me to bring practical insight and creative solutions to the community design board, especially in ensuring our public spaces are functional, sustainable, and ethically pleasing.

And Anna Scott, I don't know how we typically do this.

Should we discuss each one and go down the line or discuss them or just kind of do what I just did for each one and then discuss the four of them?

I think that is totally up to you and the other commissioners on how you want to go through the applications.

How many seats are we looking to fill?

There are three available.

There's seven seats total for the board.

So the four of you, and then three vacant seats.

How many applicants we have?

Four applicants.

So we really have to just decide what three we're going to take, right?

Yes.

And then they have to say yes.

Yeah, I guess in that vein, it's only fair to go through all four first and then discuss them after we've heard all four applicants.

That makes sense.

I agree.

I highlight that too.

Okay.

So I'm going to move on to the next applicant, John Biggs.

Is there I'm just trying to paraphrase down the written parts, but if you want to dive in, just chime in.

Okay.

So John Bix, he is a licensed architect with a master of architecture degree with a certificate in historic preservation and a concentration in city planning.

He and his family enjoy the bikeability of the town, the bike walking trails, parks, history, and architecture in the community as a whole.

This means he's he's got a lot of schooling and a lot of training in the world of architecture and building design.

And that's about what I gleaned off from him.

And then our next one is Rachel and Rachel.

I'm sorry if I butcher your last name, Uman.

I don't know, Anascott, if you know if that's correct or not.

Um Rachel is a recent graduate of UNC's Department of City and Regional Planning.

Um adult renter and non-student living in the Chapel Hill area.

Um she feels that she could offer a progressive and young perspective on Chapel Hills development and future.

She has a master's degree in city and regional planning from UNC, is very interested personally and professionally in how to improve Chapel Hill's design and infrastructure to make it more walkable, dense, beautiful, and accessible place.

Ken Amdrews, I know well, and I actually suggested that she apply, and so I'm glad to see that she did because I think she'd be a wonderful, a wonderful member of this commission.

I think you would also provide an important link between some of the work happening at UNC from a design standpoint to uh to uh to the work that we hope to do and how we hope to align that work.

She maintains one of the most important botanical gardens on Franklin Street, um and sustainability is at the heart of that uh botanical garden.

And so I think as we're asking questions about native plants, um, I think she's known that it can be done, it could be done in a in a in a scaled way.

I love that we have a recent graduate um who is applying as well.

I think uh that perspective is so important um in our community as we grow and create more housing and more affordable housing through the leadership of Councilmember Barry, especially.

Um I'm excited about her candidacy.

And then um I Heather have really come to admire your skills as an architect and how that focuses your questions.

And so any time an architect applies for one of these positions, um they are immediately elevated in my mind because of my admiration and respect for you and how you lead this commission.

Um and so my vote would be for the first three candidates based on their qualifications and what they would bring to the commission.

Thank you, Patrick.

Uh Jim, would you like to follow?

You know, I you know you make a great case because I'd also look at people who have been residents who have the potential to uh be permanent here.

Um, similar to a transient community with the university.

Uh I like the um architect.

Uh I think a recent graduate with a planning and urban planning background is great.

And uh as Patrick said talked about the botanical garden, so I would uh would uh give a heads up to those three.

Kelsey, would you like to jump in?

Yeah, you guys uh actually took a lot of what I was going to uh say already, but um I certainly have learned a lot already from you, Heather, so I definitely would appreciate um having another architect to be able to ask some of those more pointed questions that I know I um am not necessarily equipped or have that technical knowledge.

Um and I did love to hear that we have rent, you know, might have renter representation because we know that's becoming more and more um critical from housing perspective.

So um I think it would be wonderful for um for that.

And then um you asked a lot of great questions about plantings, and I think you also highlighted an importance of really asking about native planting and potential sustainability.

So having someone that you know really focuses on on botany and managing that um and asking those questions would be a great asset.

Um it's also sounded like the architect was you know interested in bikeways and um you know have family oriented, so I think that's also an important aspect to bring to the table in addition to their um you know technical expertise.

So I am in favor for um the first three candidates as well.

Great.

Well, I don't think I can add too much because um those are my same feelings.

I think that they're all potentially great candidates.

The first three I feel um really fulfill the needs within this commission, um the strongest.

And so I I'm in favor with us moving um with the first three um to offer them a position.

All right.

Make that motion.

I'll make that motion, Heather.

I motion that we offer the first three candidates to include the architect, the botanist, and the student renter positions on the commission.

I'm gonna give the names of those.

That's Kimberly Andrews, uh, and then John Piggs and Rachel Oman.

I second uh the nomination for those three.

Wonderful.

Okay, let's go down the line.

Uh let's put this to a vote.

Um if I Jim, how do you vote?

Yes, for those three uh choices.

Uh Patrick, what's uh enthusiastic, enthusiastic yes for those three?

Great.

Kelsey.

Um I agree.

Yes.

And I agree.

And I see that we Camille, uh, you have a procedural question.

Yes.

Um I think that it moves to council next, right?

It does.

Yeah.

For extending an offer.

Okay.

Yes.

Yeah, we're voting to recommend this to council.

That's a good clarification, Camille.

We're the motion is to recommend these three candidates to council.

Okay.

Great.

Thank you.

And I really appreciate hearing the discussion.

So thank you all for going through that.

Wonderful.

Um do we have any other business?

I don't see anything.

I don't have anything from the staff's perspective.

Okay.

Um, and everyone has that our next meeting is November 10th at 5 30.

Um, and it is correct at the bottom of the agenda, so we're good there.

Can I have a motion to adjourn?

I motion to adjourn.

Can I have a second?

House seconded.

All right, can we raise hands for uh if you are in agreement, approve?

All four approve.

Motion carries.

We are adjourned at 6 54.