All right.

Welcome to everyone this evening.

It's not not a big full house, but a couple people here.

First, uh, we need to go with roll call.

Uh so even though I know who's here, I have to do this.

Uh Josh Gerlitz.

Here.

Nancy McCormick.

Laura Moore.

Here.

Don Tice here.

Uh Brian Daniels is not here.

And Glenn Conley.

Here.

Okay.

And uh I'm going to read the public charge before we get into our opening announcements and acknowledgments.

Uh public charge.

The advisory board pledges its respect to the public.

The body asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous manner, both with the body and with fellow members of the public.

Should any member of the body or any member of the public fail to observe this charge at any time, the chair will ask the offending person to leave the meeting until that individual regains personal control.

Should decorum fail to be restored, the chair will recess the meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.

Property owners may represent themselves or be represented by attorney.

However, professionals such as architects, engineers, designers, and others may provide factual evidence and expert opinions so far as they are qualified, but not legal arguments on behalf of the property owner.

Okay, I got a thumbs up from the lawyer on that one.

That's good.

Okay.

Um now uh next in the agenda was this is Black History Month, and um the HDC wanted to have an acknowledgement of Black History Month, and so here's the prepared statement that we have for the public.

It's good evening.

Uh we want to take a moment to honor Black History Month, a time to recognize that Black history, uh black history is American history, to celebrate black culture as an essential part of our national story and to acknowledge the voices and experiences that shape our ongoing journey as a nation.

Shining a light in black history helps us understand ourselves and grow stronger as individuals and as a country.

It urges us to celebrate the contributions of black Americans, honor their legacies, reckon with centuries of injustice, and confront the inequities that persist today.

Here in Chapel Hill, that legacy is all around us.

Uh bullet point one Chapel Hill played a pivotal role in uh desegregation in 1951.

Harvey Beach, James Lasseter, Jay Kenneth Lee, Floyd McKissick, and James Robert Walker were the first black students admitted to the UNC School of Law.

That same year, Oscar Diggs became the university's first black medical student.

Both milestones, both were mild stones that opened doors across the campus community.

By the mid-1950s and 60s, trailblazers such as Leroy Frasier, Ralph Frazier, Karen Parker, and Hortense McClinton shattered racial and gender barriers, becoming the first black undergraduates, the first black undergraduate woman, and the first black faculty member in social work at UNC.

The Marion Creek Jackson Center preserves and uplifts the living histories of Black Chapel Hill and Carberra, highlighting contributors to our community's growth and resilience.

The Sonia Haynes Stone Center for Black Culture and History and UNC's campus enriches our collective awareness of African American experiences through education, art, and critical dialogue.

The historic Northside neighborhood stands as a testament to black land ownership and community building dating back to the post-Civil War era founded by descendants of the formerly enslaved and enriched our and enriched over generations.

As we conduct our work this month and every month, let's carry forward the spirit of Black History Month.

Let's honor its legacy, learn from both our triumphs and failures, and strengthen our commitment to equity and unity in our commission and in our wider community.

I cannot take credit for that, but that was a very well readden, whoever wrote that.

Well done.

And uh so that is formally entered into the record.

Um do I need to read what do I need to do here?

Secretary Reid's procedures.

I was just about to say.

There you go, Secretary.

I'll now read into the record the following.

The commission operates under NC General Statutes 160 D 940, which gives local governments historic preservation authority, and the Chapel Hill Land Use Management Ordinance, including Article 3, which establish the local historic districts and sets forth regulations governing them.

And the Chapel Hill Historic District's design principles and standards, which sets forth standards for changes in the historic districts and the rules of procedure adopted by the Chapel Hill Historic District Commission, as well as the significance reports from all three historic districts and photographs.

I also call your attention to each of the applications and associated materials in your agenda packet.

All of these items are hereby entered into the record.

Thank you.

And I jumped ahead and I've already read the public charge.

So sorry about that.

So we now we need an approval of the agenda.

I make a motion we approve the agenda is written.

I second.

Okay, all in favor.

There you go.

Okay, announcements.

Do we have any?

Staff does not have any announcements.

Okay.

And petitions.

Also none.

Okay, very good.

So hang on one second.

So approval of the minutes from January 13th meeting minutes.

I was not at that meeting, so I can't really look at it with much of a critical eye.

So do we have approval?

Do uh someone want to give it a motion to approve the January 3nd.

So move to approve.

I second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Consent agenda.

260 Glendon Drive.

Right.

Is there something we need to do specific to that?

Or you're just uh approving the written decision.

We're improving what I'm talking about.

The written decision.

Okay.

Yeah, the COA was approved at the last meeting.

So tonight you're just voting on the um the written decision.

Did everybody receive if you weren't there?

Go ahead, Josh.

Yes, this was a roof over swimming pool, and it was approved.

So I move that we um approve the consent agenda.

Is there a second?

I second.

All in favor, that approval.

Aye.

Aye.

Okay.

It's unanimous.

Okay, new business.

304 North Boundary Street.

COA amendment.

And Don, while uh excuse me, while Anna Scott gets the presentation set up, this might be a good time to do conflicts of interest and is there conflict of interest with anyone here?

What you're presenting down.

No conflicts.

And before you get going, I need to um read a statement to you.

And you answer by saying I so affirm in your name, okay.

I affirm that the evidence I shall give to the historic district commission and the referenced application shall be the truth and nothing but the truth.

I so affirm.

I so affirm.

And your name?

I do very well.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Floor is yours.

Thank you for your forbearance.

I hope this is the last time I come here asking for another certificate of appropriateness.

Uh, this time is for solar panels and battery backup.

Um the property on North Boundary Street.

And if you look at that picture, you'll see that it's set back quite a bit from the road.

So it's not going to be accessible or visible from the driveway side because it goes down a long, very long driveway, and then the property sits over there.

On the property itself, this is the location of the units.

So those pink uh block blocks, the polygons, are actually where the solar panels will be located.

The square one immediately to the right is the garage, which is existing.

The long uh horizontal panel is the one that is the two-story structure that currently exists.

Uh, the main house that has a very unique roof will not have any solar panels placed on it because that would damage it.

And then the extension that you approved uh in a previous meeting, that extension will have a flat roof, and so it'll have some solar panels installed on it once that uh extension is built, which it's proceeding forward.

So this is uh a picture with the extension kind of blocked in over there, so you can see the arrangement of the panels.

Um there'll be an array of panels on the on the garage, another array on the existing flat roof, and then an array on the extension to be built.

Uh those panels are not very tall, they will not be visible above the parapet.

Uh they are uh they are of the color of the same color as the roof, so we shouldn't see it as black panels on a black roof, so you should not see the panels at all.

I'm associated with that.

They are three power wall uh units, and they will be inside the garage, so they will be not visible outside.

I wish I had that at the ice storm.

We didn't lose power, but it would have been great to have this backup power available had we had lost bar at that time.

This is the context of the location of the property and this adjoining other properties.

Uh as you can see, it's quite a bit inside, so nobody should have any view of any of these panels, certainly not the batteries which are in the garage.

It these system will serve several purposes.

One is to reduce the cost of electricity, but also help the environment because uh in my application I've done a calculation of how many um how much CO2 is reduced and how much of uh uh energy use is reduced by using the solar panels that's about it.

So do you anybody have any questions?

I'll just I'll just have a quick clarification.

So these are flat roofs, well, low slope roofs.

Yeah, yeah.

Um but there are little walls on the side, parapet walls that come up.

Yeah, they're bare pit walls there.

So it looks like I just wanted everyone to understand that these panels would be behind the parapet walls, and unless you're a bird, you can't you won't be able to see them.

Yes.

Okay, do we want to close the public hearing then?

Okay, we'll close the public hearing.

Do we need to invite someone?

Uh anyone from the public?

Anyone from the public?

All right.

No one from the public.

So any thoughts, comments, considerations.

I see it as pretty straightforward.

The um the panels are not on risers, but they are flushed to the roof, which is part of what the um our requirements are.

The detail shows them flush to the roof.

Um so I don't I don't see any um issues from my position.

Yeah, I don't see anything that's incongruous with any of our design standards.

Looks good to me.

We got another it looks good to me over here.

So we'll uh close the discussion and uh does someone want to make a motion, or I can do it if you would like.

Jump in there, Josh.

I move that the application is not incongruous with the special character of the historic district according to the application of the relevant provisions of LUMO and the HDC's design standards based upon the facts presented at this meeting in the record.

I second.

Okay, we have a motion and a second.

Uh all in favor, say aye.

I think that's everyone.

Okay.

You have solar panels.

Thank you.

And so just for what it's worth, we will prepare uh written decision for this case and bring it back for you all uh at your next meeting.

Okay, thank you.

I know we didn't do the COA follow-up motion, but you said that wasn't absolutely necessary, so okay.

And then discussions, education and outreach.

So um last month uh the commission talked about the proclamation for preservation month and just general like education and outreach opportunities, and um continued that discussion to this meeting.

Um in front of you, we printed out a copy of the state preservation plan.

It has some goals that we respond to every year when we do the certified local government report.

In those uh in that document, you all can talk about it now or continue that discussion to next month when you have more members.

Yeah, I think we can continue the discussion to the next meeting where we would have a larger group here.

Um and I'm gonna have some some comments at that time.

Okay.

Um Anska and I are also um we've reached out to the Orange Shadow Realtor Association and Preservation Chapel Hill about doing a workshop.

We did the art of preservation last May.

Uh so if any commissioners would like to get involved in helping with that, then just let us know.

And what did you do last May?

The art of preservation.

Okay.

Um that was a workshop that Annya, the the previous staff liaison on worked with Preservation Chapel Hill and the Orange Chatham Realtor Association to create a workshop that we held at the library.

And we had um folks from SHIPO come.

We had um applicants come and talk about their experience with the COA process.

We had a designer come talk about how to um stage a historic home to help uh market it better.

Um so it was a free workshop that we held at the library, open to realtors, um, anyone interested in historic preservation in the community.

Okay.

Very good.

Yeah, I'll talk to you guys about that.

Okay.

Well that's excellent.

And then the design standards.

Um so the commission has had a running list of changes to the design standards.

So I printed uh a copy of that document um for y'all.

And we are also I guess generally Anaska and I are planning to take a look at the design standards.

I know there is some information that we need to update.

Um it has photos of the old paper copy of our COA application.

Um so we have notes of things that we recommend to remove.

Um, but we also wanted to give you all an opportunity to talk through some um some of the standards or information in the design standards.

Um we also printed out a copy of the levels of review, and we could talk about those tonight.

Um that table has it identifies types of work that staff can approve um a COA for and work that has to go to the commission.

Um if you if you all would like to talk about it tonight, we we do have some suggestions.

Well, jump in with your suggestions.

Um solar panels.

Can solar panels be approved by staff even if they are visible?

Say that one more time.

Solar panels.

Yeah.

Can staff approve a COA for solar panels even if they are visible from the public right-of-way.

I would say our standards are pretty specific for solar panels.

Um I think that having staff approval should be fine.

Yes.

Talking from experience.

Started to say.

Yes.

I know where that's coming from.

Um if someone came to you guys with solar panels, if you didn't feel comfortable with it, you would probably fire at an email, I'm assuming.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So any questions that we have about like staff approvals, we'll reach out to the officers.

Um, but if there's any doubt, then we would tell them to come to the commission.

Okay.

Well, I think that's that would be great.

Keep in mind that the staff can't deny a COA application under the LUMO.

So if, for example, staff were uncertain or felt like an applic uh an applicant did not merit uh a COA for the installation of solar panels under the you know under the standards set out, uh the design principles and standards.

Staff would then have to refer them to the commission, they would come and give a presentation, and then it would ultimately be up to you all to either you know vote yay or nay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well I think that's great because it helped expedite that detail, which would be much appreciated by some folks, I'm sure.

One of our for you that don't know one of our members recently went through the process for solar panels.

Took a couple of meetings to get a quorum.

Okay.

And our next suggestion for walkways and driveways, there are certain materials that staff are able to approve.

And this is one of our more highly requested items, whether staff can approve, and typically um they are not proposing um Chapel Hill grit or um concrete or red brick, so we are unable to um approve them, and then they usually don't end up making the changes um and uh uh trying not to um drag out the process and come uh before the commission.

So if there are other materials that we could add to the list that staff can approve, I think that would help more people work through the process.

Okay, so right now your list is is red brick and chapel hill gravel.

Now for walkways on private property, staff can approve when constructed of red brick or chapel hill grit, and then staff can approve new or replacement driveway materials of gravel, concrete, or red brick.

So replacing kind you can approve that.

Okay.

And new new driveways.

I see here that you also included the the idea of realignment.

And does that um would that include curb cuts like realigning um driveways or just realigning walkways?

That's an existing item.

Um, but I would read that as like realigning existing driveways and not curb cuts.

Because that would go through engineering.

We consider alignment of driveways.

Is driveway considered a structure.

No.

Okay.

Thank you.

I'm surprised you hadn't considered in the past any driveway alignments, but I don't remember ever seeing one requested now.

Well, there was one.

There were we've had one or two recently.

I remember the one North Street.

Are you familiar with the driveway on North Street?

I won't go into it.

That might have been before my time with the HDC.

Yeah.

Before mine as well.

Didn't we just recently have one with when a Phil Post representing uh that was an engineer for uh the property owner just recently?

How do you think we've had them especially when the driveways are associated with front yard parking and issues like that?

I think that we begin to have those alignments as a basis of discussion.

So I think it's fine for staff to handle that, but if there's something like Joshua's just referring to, make sure you send us an email just to confirm if there is any kind of alignment issue or front parking.

But I'm curious when you um if they have gravel now and you can approve red brick or concrete, uh, do you recommend that they go to um engineering or planning before they do that?

Because that can affect um impervious surface.

And I know the town get pretty sticky on that.

We don't recommend that they go to engineering or planning first because the COA comes first.

Um but we do ask for like preliminary information if it looks like they're adding a lot of impervious.

Um we wouldn't want to approve something that can't be built.

I just wanted to make sure that uh when you guys look at it and approve it for uh COA purposes, you just might want to mention to them that they need to that this isn't the final word, and there are other divisions within the city that are gonna be really interested.

Okay, jump in.

Um this is the first time I've reviewed these, so I'm looking at um something about walls, field stone walls.

And it seems like there's a stipulation that field stone walls do need to be reviewed by HDC.

But then there's a another category about brick walls.

Are why are those two different?

Is it a height thing or what um other category agreements?

Something about brick walls that I'm I'm not finding it again.

Um let's see.

Okay, the field stone or other landscape walls is on page one.

It's under decks and patios.

Um decks and patias.

Yeah.

Patios constructive natural stone or red brick.

This includes red brick retaining walls not exceeding three feet in height.

My guess is that so it says um the patios located in rear or side yards.

My guess is the red brick um retaining wall would also need to be in the rear or side wall side yard.

Okay.

Um so what you're talking about is this the Chapel Hill stone walls that are in the front, primarily, that that's something we would look at, but other walls might not be.

What would be approved by staff?

Yeah, I think for the deck, this is specific to walls that are surrounding the patio.

Okay.

That would be the only scenario where staff would review a brick wall.

Okay.

Thank you.

But for the um field stone or other landscape walls, do you all think that it any changes or additions to those need to come to the commission?

I was just trying to clarify for myself, so I understood.

Yeah, so right now what you're saying is in this levels of review is the HCC has to review field stone and other landscape walls.

Um to me, uh I'm I'm um a big staff review proponent.

But that having been said, for me, field stones and other landscape walls seems to be make up a pretty significant portion of the character of our historic districts.

Yeah.

And that's one thing you think about when you think about downtown Chapel Hill and the old historic buildings and everything, are these walls.

And they're different stacks, some are dry stacks, some have mortar, some don't.

They're different colors that come from different core.

It seems like something that should remain in the HDC's review, in my opinion.

But other than that, I I don't have any um any issues with the others except the ones that you brought up at the first conversation.

So the only thing that I think I would add to the list, and this is a a discussion that we've had on and off for several years now, I think, uh, is perhaps including like a I don't know how we want would want to describe it, but a catalog of existing structures within the town's various historic districts.

I know that one of the common issues that we have with applicants is that they bring COA proposals to us, but they don't present sufficient supporting documentation, you know, precedent photos of other similar structures or site features or whatever uh within the district that would allow you all to make a determination about congruity.

Um and so one of the things we've talked about several times over the years, I think is you know, coming up with some sort of system, whether it's an amendment to the principles and standards uh or you know, kind of some separate standalone document, but something that includes uh regularly updated photographs of you know the different structures throughout the district so that when you're reviewing something, excuse me, in the in the Franklin Rosemary Historic District, you can flip through a book.

If somebody wants to add a add a f a fence or a field stone wall to the you know the front, the street facing facade uh you know on their property.

Um, you all can flip through the various photos of the different structures in that district and say, okay, well, you know, we we've got a half a dozen uh uh parcels that have a similar wall to what's being proposed here, therefore we feel like maybe this is c is not in congruous with the character of the district, or conversely, somebody might present something that you know you can't find precedent for something similar to the district, and you know, in the in those cases, you know, they might have a whole lot more work to do to persuade you all that what they're proposing is not in congruous.

The long-winded way of saying it takes a little bit less of the burden off of the applicants to present you know to go out and and canvas their district and present you with photographs of similar things, right?

You all or the town would have something in hand already that you can look to as kind of examples.

So we were talking about that, and I forgot what what name we came up for.

Do you remember?

Well, yeah, at one point we're talking about I I think um it was called a lookbook.

Yeah, and we wanted to change the term look book.

And right, nobody was comfortable with that.

And um, so we haven't changed the name yet, but we started out with a lookbook.

Well, where are we?

Is there any kind of schedule for developing this like you're talking about?

Because I think it's a good idea.

We we talked about um various ways of doing it that would be uh uh at various uh cost levels because it could be a very expensive operation to document that thoroughly.

We did understand that we could we may be able to download photos from the standards book, which does include a lot of photographic um documentation and sort of reassemble them in a simpler format um so we'd have photographs of each part of the district or each of the several districts.

Um but that's about where it where it um ended the discussion.

So we never made a presentation to the town council for well, I think didn't we ask for didn't we ask for money to be put into the budget at one point?

I don't think we asked for money, we talked about how much a lookbook might cost, and I think um I think we talked about like it was like somewhere in the like tens of thousands of dollars, and that not being uh uh approving like uh um a project that has like 20 to 40,000 price tag might not be high on council's priority list.

And one thing we can that might be worth uh looking into as well is whether there might be available grant funding for something like this, whether through SHIPO or whether SHIPO could help us find you know source of grant funding.

Um a lot of things that I think we could look into that might make a project like that more palatable for the the town council.

Yeah, that would that would be great.

Well certainly looking at the historic preservation plan, I think there are a lot of touchstones in the historic preservation plan for the creation of something like that.

Um unfortunately the plan didn't didn't get to the implementation.

I did take the time to read it, and the plan had great ideas, and um implementation is kind of the next phase.

So if implementation includes grants to communities, I think that would be wonderful.

We could jump on to that.

Well, I mean, how do we proceed?

Um would would I or would one of you guys need to call SHIPO and see if there's anything available for to create a lookbook?

Um I think anyone on the commission can volunteer to do that.

Um what Anna Scott and I are trying to do now with the design standards is very staff led.

So we don't have capacity to do a lookbook or other resources.

Right.

Yeah.

So my suggestion would be because I I think that's a great point, is that uh I think that perhaps staff's role should be limited to kind of the um you know the the ministerial or scriveners type updates to the uh standards that we've we've kind of got on this list here, things that are you know kind of similar kind of editorial changes.

I think that what I would suggest is that the commission establish a subcommittee or you know, assign responsibility for you know talking to different folks at SHIPO to individual commissioners, and y'all can reach out, call folks and just ask them, you know.

I I know that SHIPO has somebody on staff, or I think they have somebody on staff whose job it is to is like a grant coordinator.

Um you might be able to identify who that is.

They have um well in in any event, you know, identify their grant coordinator and and reach out to ask, you know, whether SHIPO provides grants directly or whether they can you know connect you with um folks who do.

Um and then you know the the HDC could put together you know a presentation or a request, you know, if we need supplemental, assuming we qualify for a grant in the first place.

You know, we can put together a request for supplemental funding uh to the town council for any additional funds that are not covered by the grants.

But I think if you could put together, I'll defer to staff, but I think if you could put together your proposal where you've already applied for um and perhaps received grant funding or at least a commitment of funding from some source, you may be more likely to get some buy-in from the town council.

When we did the uh design standards, um we uh several of us participated in photographing parts of the district, meaning we just took a Sunday or Saturday or a Wednesday and walked around and took pictures of things that we thought were um significant.

And I don't believe that went into an archive.

At this point, I wish it did.

But um that's certainly possible to do again, so that the whole photography part of it is actually pretty simple if we can um motivate enough people to go around with their cameras or their phones.

And remember, these when you reproduce pictures at this scale, you know, they don't have to be for you know huge file sizes.

They can be um whatever you can take on a camera on a foot on a phone.

I think that's a great idea.

And in the meantime, I'll um I'll give both Preservation North Carolina and SHIPO a call.

Um I'll call P and C to see if they have any recommendations outside of SHIPO and then who they would most recommend we talk to as SHIPO.

Um, because I know the the grant writer there, so I'll give her a call tomorrow.

See if we move that forward a little bit.

But the idea of uh developing your own photographs is pretty pretty good idea of taking your own photos.

We did have a consultant that helped us with the design standards, and she may actually have an archive of photographs.

I'm not sure if she kept them all, but if she did, um she may be willing to share them with us.

Do you know where?

I mean, do you have contact information?

Uh no, not current.

Okay.

I think it was from Durham.

Heather?

Heather can't forget, I forget her name, but she was a presenter.

Heather Fernbach?

Yeah, she was a presenter at our art of preservation workshop.

So I'm sure we have her contact information somewhere.

Yeah, I have her contact info.

I'm working with her on a two projects right now.

Okay.

Well, she was a great consultant.

Yeah, she's great.

She was okay.

I know that right now she is swamped because like most historic consultants are since um out west, they had all the flooding and everything, and everyone is just overwhelmed trying to renovate to tax credit standards.

There aren't enough people to go around to actually make it happen to rebuild the West.

Okay.

Well, to put a bow on your first question.

The uh the introduction that you gave to us three pages, yeah.

Um levels of review look good.

I don't think we have any problems with any of them.

Um except you're gonna move solar panels over to staff review.

And what else were you gonna do?

Um we haven't looked through it yet, but we um can look through and make some comments and present um the board with some suggestions for changes.

Okay, and these were these sent to everybody, including the people in our here this evening.

Yeah.

Okay, it's in the agenda.

Okay.

And that's just the existing standard.

So that's what's in our current design standards.

Okay.

I have a curiosity under signage.

Um, sign ordinance for the town, there are so many exclusions.

Um do do we have a separate sign definition in the district?

Do we define a sign differently than the town defines it in LUMO?

I don't believe so.

I know that memorial signs are one of the exempt signs in LUMO, but I am not aware of a distinguishing piece of LUBO between historic.

Do you mean signs that are historic or signs in the historic districts?

Signs in the historic well, what I'm thinking of one particular example is that if text is less than four inches, it's not considered a sign.

It's a it's something else.

But in order to be considered a sign and subject to town standards, text has to be four inches or greater.

Um we have that same stand.

Do we live by that standard?

Yes.

As far as I'm aware, the sign standards for the rest of town also apply in the historic districts.

But keep in excuse me, keep in mind that if uh at least in theory, a property owner or an applicant would still need to come to the HDC for a COA.

So for example, just because they might qualify for a sign permit or you know, their sign uh is exempt under the LUMO or the sign ordinance under the LUMO, they may still require a COA from you all to determine whether or not the proposed sign is or is not incongruous with the character of the district.

So I don't know if that's even if LUMO doesn't define it as a sign.

Correct.

So it would it would in all likelihood or may uh still be considered a you know a structure or the type of work under the LUMO that would require a COA.

So just because it's not regulated, you know, it's not a sign type that is regulated under the sign ordinance doesn't mean that they get carte blanche to do whatever they want on the private, they still would in all likelihood require a COA.

Okay.

Does a sign include an address?

A street address.

That may be better directed to staff.

I think it would depend, you know, how that's set out.

You know, what what type of you know structure is used to post or or publish the the address.

Um I I don't have the sign section memorized, but I do think that there is a provision that exempts address signs if they're no more than a certain size uh square footage, I believe.

Okay.

I think the fire department requires addresses on um most structures.

I'm not sure they do on homes.

Oh structures.

Just thinking about one specific incident right now that's in someone's yard that's a bright yellow arrow that points this way, like you get at Home Depot and it's got the street address written in it.

And I I think that's their permanent solution for how to get to their house if you're if you're a prime delivery person.

It's just funny looking.

We are um as part of the LUMO rewrite, the sign ordinance is getting rewritten as well.

So some of the signs that are exempt will be changing.

Um so um we can revisit maybe after that's adopted if you have any issues with any of the exemptions.

Um I have a couple of to-do items towards towards that end.

So um did you have anything else specific uh towards the running list of required changes that you guys want to talk about?

Uh no.

Okay.

I think that closes the discussion then.

Are we ready to adjourn members?

Okay, the meeting's adjourned.