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Debt Program Board Meeting - May 18, 2026

Meeting PortalMonday, May 18, 2026
BodyChapel Hill, North Carolina
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DateMonday, May 18, 2026
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0:00

We have quorum now.

0:02

Thanks all for being here.

0:04

Before we do jump into some things, just want to kind of give an update about like the situation with the board.

0:10

That being like our funding.

0:12

We're kind of in a bit of a limbo right now, we found out.

0:16

So as we all know, the justice project used to support the the board dissolved in its place.

0:24

The county is hopefully considering some funding to support county residents and about $6,000 was what the budget recommendation was to support the debt program to then support the um residents that we serve.

0:38

However, we recently learned from Carborough that it sounds like Carborough may be doing away with their funding in the new budget cycle.

0:45

Sarah received work from the town.

0:47

Was it last month, Sarah?

0:49

You heard you heard word from them.

0:50

Uh-huh.

0:52

Um really kind of blindsided.

0:55

There wasn't any like heads up of hey, this is gonna be a possibility.

0:57

It was more just a as far as we were aware of a firm no, we're not gonna proceed with this any further.

1:04

Um we're gonna be kind of I guess being creative next fiscal year and seeing how we can use the funding we have.

1:14

Uh I've been thinking of perhaps once if and when the county does approve the funding for us, that if we can expand that to also cover Carbro residents since Carbro's no longer assisting.

1:24

Um, but to keep everyone in the loop on this, and so everyone's fully advised about this, these changes.

1:31

This may also mean we're gonna lose Savannah.

1:33

Um when she when the funding for Carbro is is gone.

1:37

I believe it also takes away her her time with us.

1:40

So um obviously a lot of work for us with meeting minutes.

1:43

I don't see her on the call right now, but um we'll need to kind of adapt some of our work during these meetings to make sure we have meeting minutes taken care of and all of our T's crossed and I've dotted.

1:57

Um Sarah, any other thing I didn't mention.

2:00

Uh no, the only thing is I I did check and uh Chapel Hill is still committed to uh the 20,000 that they give to the program each year.

2:10

Okay.

2:11

Yes, Crystal.

2:15

So does this mean if an individual is charged, um is they're dealing with charges or fees that are in another county, but reside in Chapel Hill, it would still support them.

2:35

Right.

2:35

So how the funding is used is it depends on where the person is located, where the residence is.

2:40

And so money from town of Chapel Hill is for Chapel Hill residents to pay fees wherever they may have fees associated.

2:47

Carborough residents historically we've been pulling from the Carborough pot, but with Carbor now taking away their funding, that puts us in a limbo of how to cover those residents out of Carborough.

2:57

The justice project now becoming like the Orange County funding is has been used to you to cover Hillsborough residents and the rest of the the county, as of the city limits.

3:06

So it won't be that's where I was getting confused.

3:12

So the county funds that we would be using, it wouldn't go towards Carbor residents.

3:18

So that's what we need to discuss, I think, once like the commissioners actually approve the um town manager's budget because when it was proposed to Travis, our county manager to help with this funding and he was on board for it, the discussion was to be used in place of what Justice Project was using to cover like county residents and Hillsborough residents because we had the funding sources at the time, still believed it would be re-upped for both Chapel Hill and Carborough, and now we're realizing that Carborough is taking that money away.

3:47

So once we get into the new fiscal year and the money has been approved to be drawn upon, then probably go back to the um town manager and make sure it's not gonna be wrongful to use the cover Carborough residents since carp since Carlborough is taking away their funding.

4:04

Does that make sense?

4:06

Okay.

4:08

Any other orders of business to address before we get started on this month this month's meeting?

4:16

All right.

4:18

Um Sarah, I'm gonna try and do my best to take take notes um for meeting minutes since uh don't see Savannah on today's call.

4:29

Okay.

4:35

Lauren said she could take notes too, Mitch.

4:38

Okay, that'd be really appreciated, Lauren.

4:40

I'll try and still take some notes as I can.

4:43

Thank you.

4:46

So we'll start off with the roll call.

4:48

Um Donna.

4:53

Here Crystal.

4:56

Here Mark, I believe is absent.

5:01

Tiffany?

5:03

I'm here.

5:05

I am present.

5:07

Danielle.

5:08

Here.

5:10

I believe Ty is absent.

5:13

Ruby.

5:16

Here.

5:18

April.

5:21

Here.

5:22

And Amber.

5:27

She's having some audio issues.

5:28

So I think she's putting the chat.

5:31

Yeah.

5:33

Oh, there she is.

5:34

Yep, I can hear you.

5:36

All right.

5:37

So that makes eight voting members.

5:38

So we do have a quorum.

5:41

First off, I'll go ahead and move to approve the agenda as shown on your screen there.

5:52

If someone wants to second that.

5:54

I'll second.

5:57

I heard Amber.

6:01

And vote began with Donna.

6:03

Yes.

6:04

Crystal.

6:05

Yes.

6:06

Tiffany.

6:08

Yes.

6:09

Danielle.

6:10

Yes.

6:11

Ruby.

6:14

Yes.

6:15

And April.

6:19

Yes.

6:20

All right.

6:21

So approved.

6:23

Next is the meeting minutes.

6:24

I went ahead and pulled up the meeting minutes from this is March.

6:30

Oh, the date is wrong on this on this form.

6:34

This is March's meeting minutes.

6:36

So it appears Donna, Ruby, Danielle, myself, April, Amber, and Tiffany were present at that meeting.

6:44

Since last month's meeting didn't have a quorum.

6:47

This was not addressed then.

6:49

So we're gonna go ahead and uh I'll move to approve March's meeting minutes as shown.

6:53

Donna second.

6:56

Second by Donna.

6:58

I'm just gonna go through this list as shown on the screen.

7:00

So Ruby.

7:04

Yes.

7:06

Danielle.

7:07

Yes.

7:08

April.

7:10

Yes.

7:12

Amber.

7:13

Yes.

7:14

And Tiffany.

7:15

Yes.

7:16

All right.

7:17

So approved.

7:17

So March and meetings have meeting minutes have been approved.

7:21

And then I'm gonna turn it over to Sarah for the applications today.

7:24

I think we have seven.

7:26

I think six of which were cared over from last month.

7:30

That's correct.

7:32

Okay.

7:43

What do y'all say?

7:44

Are y'all seeing the internet?

7:47

See the application for George Fowler.

7:50

You do say the application.

7:51

Okay, perfect.

7:52

All right.

7:53

Okay.

7:54

Um so George is coming out of the Chapel Hill pot.

8:00

Um not received any assistance in the past three years, not convicted of any violent cra felonies in the past five, not incarcerated.

8:10

Um does owe quite a bit of fees, eight thousand one hundred and thirty-five dollars and eighty-five cents, and um 445.36 cents of restitution.

8:24

Uh suspended status does oh require two alcohol assessments.

8:30

Um George is a 62-year-old white male residing in Chapel Hill at the Freedom House Recovery Center, and is two months into his six-month program.

8:40

After completing the program, he hopes to transition into Oxford House.

8:44

He's unemployed, but searching for job opportunities, receiving food stamps.

8:48

Um, he would like to get his driver's license reinstated to be able to find better paying employment and improve the quality of his life.

8:55

Um in the future, he would like to renew his peer support specialist certification.

9:01

And he's currently facing barriers to transportation, substance use, and mental health.

9:06

Um when Mitch and I met and reviewed this case, um, looking to prioritize his getting his license back.

9:15

He requires two assessments.

9:18

Um payment of the two civil revocation fees.

9:22

Um, and also believe the um the fee for the DWI.

9:28

Um, those would be the priorities recommended to focus on, um, and then approving any additional funding.

9:37

Anything you want to add, Mitch?

9:40

Nope.

9:40

I went ahead and added the funding balances to the chat.

9:43

Um, I forgot to bring those up before I switched it over.

9:46

So obviously use um those numbers as our basis going through today.

9:51

Looks like Mr.

9:52

Fowler would be out of the chapel hill pot.

9:54

Um and yeah, he's someone I I have interacted with a bit in the past.

10:00

He's really eager to try and work on getting his license back, and the civil revocation fees and the assessments are two of the main um barriers he's facing towards working through that.

10:13

Anyone have any um personal connections with Mr.

10:16

Fowler?

10:34

Doesn't sound like it.

10:35

Um I'll go ahead and make a motion and I know he has a lot of fees listed here, and we only have about $4,000 in the Chapel Hill pot currently.

10:46

So I would make a motion just to approve the fees for his civil revocation fees and then his two assessments just to get him on that right track.

10:55

Um not actually give me one second.

11:01

I want to check his driving record and see if it's worthwhile to consider funding for his reinstatement fee.

11:31

Oh, that's right.

11:32

Once he handles those two, he's supposed to follow back up with me for some further assistance with some um other matters.

11:38

So I would make a motion just approve his two civil revocation fees, and then the assessment fees for those two he's required to complete.

11:47

That would be a full balance of 416 dollars.

11:51

Mitch, does the either of the DWIs need to be addressed, like the second one?

11:58

So that's one of the reasons he's gonna follow back up with me afterwards.

12:01

Okay, is we want to try and get the court to waive those and then not to worry about him paying the money nor the program had to cover the cost of that.

12:09

Okay.

12:12

So um the motion stands of approving the two silver vacation fees of 100 each, and then the two assessment costs for a total of 416 dollars.

12:22

Um, anyone want to second that motion?

12:25

Second.

12:27

Second by April.

12:30

We'll vote with Donna.

12:33

I agree.

12:35

Crystal?

12:36

Yes.

12:37

Tiffany?

12:39

Yes.

12:40

Danielle?

12:41

Yes.

12:42

Ruby.

12:44

Yes.

12:45

And Amber.

12:48

All right, so approved.

12:54

Uh next we have Solomon.

12:57

Um so Solomon is coming out of Chapel Hill, not received assistance in the past three years, no violent felonies in the past five, not currently incarcerated.

13:09

Um, owes 418 dollars in fees, um, does not owe any fees to the DMV, does not need an alcohol assessment.

13:18

He's a 41-year-old black African-American male residing in Chapel Hill at the IFC community house, has been unsheltered since November of 2025, unemployed with no income, and is dependent on help from IFC and other community organizations.

13:36

He's not receiving government benefits, even though he is qualified to receive them, would like to find employment with a trunk trucking company, facing barriers to housing utilities, financial management, food security, transportation, and mental health, also experiencing identity theft and various medical issues.

13:53

Um Mitch, you can speak to any of this if you'd like, but um, you received a phone call from Solomon and had given him some guidance and instructions to follow through with and um her our meeting.

14:10

Um has yet to follow through with those.

14:14

These two cases, uh, the Act FTAs are still pending.

14:19

Um the recommendation at the time uh that we met was to deny any funding for the time being, but once he resolves his cases and has his fees owed, he can reapply.

14:32

Yeah, that's correct.

14:33

Um, I remember he reached out, it was before would have been what would have been last month's meeting.

14:37

Um may have been calling from IFC.

14:39

So I don't know if Crystal, if you know him personally.

14:41

Um, and I gave him the information for like the public defender's office in Durham, which I think Levy is an attorney appointed on his case out there and um gave him some advice of how do you get these two matters resolved and then to apply once fees are outstanding.

14:55

But as of right now, he's has two missed court dates, one of which has an order for arrest.

15:00

Uh Crystal, do you have any information on him?

15:03

Yes.

15:03

Um, Solomon has actually been in the hospital for the past few weeks.

15:08

Um I'm not sure of the court dates.

15:13

Um the specific court dates that he's missed.

15:17

Um, that might be causing one or both.

15:21

But one was in December of last year.

15:24

I think that's the order for arrest.

15:25

Okay.

15:26

And then so I was gonna have some concern as to if we would be able to or not.

15:32

There's I know he's been stating that there's some identity theft, but he's had two different socials and which is causing issues with him getting some of his demographic information.

15:45

Um, we've tried to set up appointments with Social Security to try to get the issue resolved.

15:51

Uh this is becoming a barrier for him getting a job and being able to maintain and apply for those benefits that he's eligible for.

16:04

Um, he hasn't been able to apply for food stamps medicated things because he can't get this so information with his social security number resolved.

16:12

And so anytime he tries to put use his social security number currently, it is saying um fraud.

16:19

It's a fraud alert.

16:20

Huh.

16:24

Well, is he how's he doing right now?

16:26

Just personally, is he out of the hospital?

16:28

Is he doing okay?

16:29

Um, well, I haven't this morning.

16:32

We just opened it 10, so I haven't gotten an update this morning.

16:35

I know Friday afternoon before I left, Dr.

16:38

Dahlman was here and confirmed that he was still there and did not have a discharge at that time.

16:44

Gotcha.

16:45

So I certainly have no issue with like trying to help him with fees once they are like owed.

16:50

But as of right now, these are both just pending charges, and there's not much we can really do because if we even pay like the Wake County one, that'd be pleading guilty to the offense.

16:59

And there's I don't think we have like the authority to plead guilty, plead him guilty to those matters.

17:04

Um where's the other charge at?

17:06

You said it's Waite County and we're so he has an order for arrest out of Durham County.

17:11

That's the felony that he missed a court day on in December.

17:14

And then when he called me about a month or two ago, I gave him the information for his public defender that I saw on the case file was appointed to that.

17:21

I don't know if he ever reached out to them.

17:23

Um and then the Wake County one, the traffic matter where it's just registration for a vehicle he was driving.

17:31

That one does not have an order for arrest on it.

17:33

It's just a miscourt appearance that was back in I believe February.

17:39

So my recommendation here would be to deny it currently, but if and one he does have any any fees are owed after these cases are disposed of, by all means, he should reapply and we can help him with that and help as we can.

17:52

Hopefully, Social Security can get figured out because obviously that impacts a lot of his um opportunities in the in the time being.

18:03

But so I'll make the motion then to deny him.

18:06

But again, if he does handle these, by all means reapply.

18:10

How am I not?

18:11

I know a second.

18:12

All right.

18:14

We'll vote on that motion with Donna.

18:16

Yes.

18:17

Tiffany?

18:19

Yes.

18:20

Danielle.

18:22

Yes.

18:24

Ruby.

18:25

Yes.

18:27

April.

18:28

Yes.

18:29

And Amber.

18:30

Yes.

18:32

And Mark says yes as well.

18:34

Sorry, it was late.

18:35

Welcome, Mr.

18:35

Klein Schmidt.

18:40

Okay.

18:42

Uh next we have James Smith, um, also coming out of Chapel Hill funds.

18:48

Not received assistance in the past three years, uh, not convicted of any violent felonies in the past five, or currently incarcerated.

18:57

Oh 770 dollars worth of fees.

19:01

Um 130 dollars to the DMV, and does require five alcohol assessments.

19:09

Um James is a 17, 72-year-old black African-American male residing in Chapel Hill, retired and unemployed, receiving food stamps and social security benefits, has Medicaid and Medicare.

19:22

Funding will allow the applicant to obtain his driver's license, facing barriers to transportation.

19:27

It's been difficult getting to his doctor's appointments in Kerry, uses Easy Rider and Public Transportation and Moped for travel in Chapel Hill.

19:37

Um, has some um active FTAs.

19:41

Um within our um prep meeting, um, the recommendation was to only focus on possibly approving the assessments and to not worry about the FTAs in the 2014 case, as those could get handled back in court once the assessments are completed.

20:05

So Mr.

20:05

Smith is actually working with me.

20:13

He has a long history of suspensions.

20:16

It's going to be a decent bit to kind of work through.

20:18

Most importantly is doing his assessments.

20:21

So what I asked him was I need to get him, I need him to do his assessments and get back with me afterwards so we can take some next steps towards working towards his license, since that's his reason for applying here.

20:34

Kind of updating me as he's applied to things and things he's working on.

20:38

So I'll say from my perspective, he's been doing everything he should be or can be at the at this time.

20:45

But as Sarah mentioned, the recommendation when her and I met was just to focus on his assessments, and I'm gonna help him with those pending charges and any other fees in court that could possibly be waived directly by the judge to avoid having the um him or the debt program have to cover those.

21:01

Anyone else have any maybe possible direct contact with Mr.

21:05

Smith or thoughts?

21:12

Um Mr.

21:13

Smith is as sweet as he can be.

21:17

Um however, I don't are the assessments to see if he's what are the assessments can containing.

21:24

I'm sorry.

21:25

So what the what these assessments are is it it's previous driving wall impaired convictions or driving all license revoked and purifications?

21:33

And so he needs to do like by law when you get conviction for that, you must do a um substance use assessment compile with recommended treatment.

21:40

And so it's a hundred dollars per case.

21:43

So I think he has uh two or three DWIs on his record, and then I tell her the opposite two or three drive on license revoked convictions that require one of those.

21:53

Is there an assessment to determine if he's able to drive because um drinking is still an issue and he does have some other health concerns um that I'm aware of that?

22:08

I don't think he's a good candidate to be driving.

22:13

So in his scenario, just kind of give broadly for I won't go too in depth about his record and things.

22:19

He's gonna have to have a DMV hearing after the fact.

22:22

Okay.

22:22

All of these, all of these steps along the way are just gonna try and get him eligible for that.

22:27

And it's still probably gonna be another year or two to be in the elder for the hearing.

22:31

Um, but if he's trying to work through that process, the assessment and doing those treatment classes and be required first.

22:37

Okay.

22:39

That gives some better, I guess, comfort to this.

22:41

Yes.

22:45

Well, then I'll go ahead and make the recommendation of only approving the money for the assessment costs.

22:50

So I think Sarah, you said it was at 516.

22:53

Mm-hmm.

22:54

Um, and deny everything else for this time being, so he can at least focus on trying to handle his substance use.

23:06

I'll second.

23:07

All right, seconded by Donna.

23:09

Vote on that motion, beginning with Crystal.

23:12

Yes.

23:13

Mark?

23:14

I agree.

23:15

Yes.

23:16

Tiffany.

23:17

Yes.

23:18

Danielle.

23:19

Yes.

23:20

Ruby.

23:21

Yes.

23:23

April.

23:24

Yes.

23:25

And Amber.

23:26

Yes.

23:27

All right.

23:28

So approved.

23:33

Okay.

23:35

Uh next case we have is with Ben Flagg, who would be coming out of Orange County's pot.

23:42

Um, has received assistance from the program in the past three years, um, but not convicted of any violent felonies in the past five.

23:49

You're currently incarcerated.

23:52

Um, he owes 18,012.92 cents in fees, 550 in fines, and 19,547 and 60 cents in restitution.

24:05

Um, 130 to the DMV, does not require any alcohol assessments.

24:11

So Ben is a 30-year-old white male residing in Hillsborough, who is unemployed, receiving food stamp benefits, uh, has medical and credit card debt, would like to get his driver's license reinstated, is facing barriers to transportation, having challenges getting to places such as job interviews and appointments, unable to pay his fines or restitution um costs, has a active FTA out of Craven County.

24:39

Back up.

24:40

So in our discussion, um we talked about um looking at the two top two Craven County.

24:52

Um, and then the Halifax County one ending it line set one.

25:02

So this one and um and then the um 615 this this Halifax, so sorry, these top four right here are the ones we'd look at focusing on.

25:18

Um but for paying this one right here, this 216, he would admit to get he would admit guilt to a moving violation.

25:29

Um so the the thought was maybe doing a conditional approval um so that maybe he could confirm if this was supposed to be um there was some action taken in March, but it's unclear of what that is.

25:42

Um Mitch can also help with the driving privileges, but it won't be until three months down the line if he is um guilty, found guilty of this one.

25:52

So Mitch, I probably butchered all that if you want to clarify.

25:57

Uh it's a very confusing thing, even confused me when I was going through this.

26:01

Um Tiffany, I believe you most know Mr.

26:03

Flag.

26:03

I think he referred him to me like late last year when he got out of incarceration.

26:07

Um and he's been working diligently trying to get back on the road and has been facing barrier after barrier between Halifax and Craven County.

26:16

Sorry, with Craven County, um, they kept telling him they would not reschedule his court day without an attorney.

26:22

So he is low income, can't afford to hire an attorney to just get these cases resolved.

26:28

Um he reached back out to me to try and see if I could help at all remotely from from here.

26:32

And I was able to get a hold of the DA's office out there, and they basically offered him uh not great, but a fine plea deal.

26:40

And it's those top two cases that are still have the balances owed.

26:44

So technically those two cases do did get resolved, but he's now uh forced to pay the fees on both matters that are that are listed there.

26:52

In terms of the Halifax case that Sarah mentioned, that fourth line down, um the case file doesn't really make sense to me because it shows a disposition of one of the two charges, and the other cases, other charge is still open.

27:07

If he pays the fee, that being this 216 balance, it would admit guilt to that moving violation of exceeding a safe speed.

27:15

And because it happened on our vote driver's license, he would face an automatic license suspension of one year for that new conviction.

27:22

So the reason that Sarah mentioned a conditional possible payment on that is that we don't want to pay the ticket off without him knowing the actual consequence of it.

27:32

And it's not clear if he knows that consequence or if there's supposed to be some other disposition to that case because again, how it was entered doesn't give very much clarity to what should have transpired with that with that matter.

27:45

So um he has been working diligent on these things since again being released from incarceration last year, and it's just the hurl is jumping through.

27:54

Tiffany, do you have any um additional information regarding Mr.

27:57

Flag?

27:58

Um, I do.

28:00

Go ahead, April.

28:01

Um, he actually has uh recently gotten a format at uh Top Dog, and I speak with him pretty much weekly, so he's he's doing great.

28:12

Good to hear.

28:13

And he has tried to reach out um to Craven or that other county uh multiple times, yes.

28:24

So he's he's working, it sounds like through these things.

28:27

Um and it's just difficulty sometimes of trying to navigate court systems in areas that you're not accustomed to or or near um anyone else have any information regarding Mr.

28:40

Flag or ideas on these matters.

28:52

I think he has to plead guilty to um something to get what he means.

29:01

Right.

29:02

And that's so that's why it's also confusing is I don't know if if he intends to do that with the how the disposition of the case happened in the Halifax matter and it just wasn't entered to give clarity for anyone else observing the file of the disposition um when the other charge was was resolved.

29:21

So um if we do consider funding for that fourth line down in Halifax County, it should just be conditioned on making sure he's aware of what he's pleading guilty to.

29:31

And when Sarah and her team reached out to him, if he has any questions about it, they'll just tell him to contact me so I can go over it with him again.

29:38

Um because I haven't spoken to him since I saw that since I saw that case file disposition listing.

29:47

And just to uh clarify, we're also this is a orange county um pot case, and our current funding balance is five thousand six hundred and seventy-three dollars as shown in the chat.

30:15

All right, sounds like we have no further discussion on him.

30:18

So I'm gonna go ahead and add some numbers and throw out a motion.

30:38

So what I'll do is I'll make a motion move to approve funding for those top four cases.

30:46

The total balance of that is 1,114.

30:51

However, the fourth case down, as you talked about, 216 dollars.

30:56

Um that money is conditioned on his consent.

31:01

Um to be aware of what he's pleading guilty to with that payment being made.

31:08

And then also he has to pay a $50 fine for that third case down in Halifax County.

31:17

Any discussion on that?

31:18

Someone want to second that motion.

31:23

I'll second it.

31:25

All right, so seconded by Crystal.

31:29

And we'll vote beginning with Donna.

31:33

Yes.

31:36

Mark.

31:37

Yes.

31:39

Tiffany.

31:40

Yes.

31:41

Danielle?

31:42

Yes.

31:44

Ruby.

31:45

Yes.

31:46

April.

31:48

Yes.

31:48

And Amber.

31:50

Yeah.

31:51

All right.

31:52

So approved.

31:57

Okay.

31:58

Next we have Jaden Lee Leek, who is also coming out of the Orange County pot.

32:04

Not received assistance in the past three years, um, or been convicted of any felonies in the past five.

32:11

Uh, is not currently incarcerated.

32:14

Jaden owes $2,317.38 cents in court fees, $275 in fines, does owe $133.50 in the DM fee, no need for any alcohol assessments.

32:28

Um, so she's a 25-year-old black African American female residing in Hillsborough, employed part-time at a fast food restaurant chain.

32:36

Her income isn't sufficient enough for her to live independently, receiving food stamps, has one dependent child, hoping to restore her driver's license to be able to have transportation to and from work and for her daughter's school and doctor appointments, facing barriers to transportation.

32:54

Um, does have um a few pending cases.

32:59

Um looks like the fees that are keeping her from driving are um the Guilford County and Montgomery County, these are ones that we would uh recommend prioritizing.

33:22

Um then anything else that we may want to consider, but those two seem to be the most impactful.

33:31

Um, add, Mitch.

33:35

Yeah, so um I'm working with Jaden.

33:38

Uh well, kind of closing her case right now, actually, to get her license back.

33:42

If you all remember, she was actually on Mar on March's application cycle, and I at that time I requested a two-month um postponing of her application to give me time to work with her.

33:53

Um, and fortunately, we were able to resolve some things in the in that meantime.

33:57

We actually resolved a couple cases over in Alamance County that she had as far as to appear.

34:02

Um, she entered a plea deal last week or week prior um for an improper equipment, which is actually the the bottom case listed on the applications form you see there.

34:12

And so fortunately this vision of that case would not cause any further issues for her suspensions, and now the only only matters of keeping her suspended are some outstanding debts.

34:23

Um through the lists, the only matters that are um relevant for her license, for instance, are lines um two, that Guilford County case, line three, the Wake County case, and then line six, the Montgomery County case.

34:46

Uh the reason that the recommendation when Sarah and I met was um focusing just on Guilford and Montgomery County currently is there's actually we filed a motion in the Wake County matter to have the court waive those fees.

35:00

We filed that about a month ago now, but Wake County did not did not calendar that for hearing until June 9th.

35:05

So we're currently awaiting period to try and get a mo get an order back from the court about having those fees possibly waived.

35:12

We were hoping to have that handled before her application came back, but um just due to the court cycle and the calendaring of it, it's not gonna happen until um early next month, obviously.

35:24

And then the case that we resolved in Alamance County is not in current license suspension.

35:28

Those fees you see listed on the bottom of the of the application screen there.

35:31

So although there are fees owed, she has 90 days to pay those before any additional fees could possibly go on.

35:38

And we heard I um spoke leaving court that day.

35:42

She knows that the the board would be willing to like consider those, but again, it's not a current issue for her for her license, or she's hoping just to get assistance with current license suspensions, and she's she's working right now as well.

35:55

So if the board does not move towards funding to help with those, especially given how much time she has to pay those currently, she's all okay with that.

36:03

She just wants to get her license back in the meantime.

36:08

Anyone has any questions or information about Ms.

36:10

Leak, please feel free to share.

36:26

All right, so sounds like there's no other discussion from Ms.

36:29

Leak.

36:30

Um I'm gonna throw out a motion here, and what that would be would be to approve funding for the 2021 Guilford County traffic matter and the amount of 140, and then the 2021 Montgomery County matter, um, that's 696 and some change.

36:49

That one commission on her paying her fine.

36:51

What I would also like to do is then bring her application back on next month.

36:55

Um so we can reconsider any additional funding that may need may need for her.

37:00

Um, because by next month's meeting, the Wake County hearing should happen, and we should have order back regarding the fees there.

37:06

And if she's elder for instatement at that point and she can't afford the fee to get her license reinstated, the board can then consider funding for the DMV fee at that time.

37:20

If I need to clarify that motion, please let me know.

37:22

Anyone wants to second that?

37:23

Please feel free to do so.

37:27

I'll second.

37:29

All right, seconded by Tiffany.

37:31

We'll vote on that beginning with Donna.

37:33

Yes.

37:34

Crystal.

37:36

Yes.

37:37

Mark?

37:38

Yes.

37:40

Danielle?

37:41

Yes.

37:42

Ruby.

37:44

Yes.

37:45

April.

37:46

Yes.

37:47

And Amber.

37:49

Yeah.

37:50

All right.

37:50

So approved.

37:55

Okay.

37:57

Next, we have Anthony Parrish, who's coming out of Chapel Hill.

38:02

Uh, not received any assistance in the past three years or convicted of any violent felonies in the past five and not currently incarcerated.

38:10

Owes $2,521.34 cents in court fees and $234.20 cents in restitution.

38:20

Uh does owe 140.25 cents to the DMV and needs one alcohol assessment.

38:27

So Anthony is a 40-year-old black or African American male residing in Chapel Hill at the IFC shelter.

38:34

He states he's been struggling and living without shelter since July of 2021, unemployed, had to discontinue work due to belongings of his being stolen while he was at work, receiving food stamps and Medicaid benefits, um, has medical debt, unable to pay for basic needs, let alone outstanding medical debt, currently on probation parole.

38:54

Funding will allow him to have access to more employment opportunities, hoping to get his license reinstated to apply for a position with Chapel Hill Transit as a bus driver facing barriers to housing utilities, food security, clothing, transportation, substance use, and mental health.

39:11

He's unable to pay restitution amounts.

39:14

Um, and uh has pending case to Orange County and an FTA in Orange County.

39:19

Um Mitch and I met, um, Mitch met with him back in March.

39:23

The plan was for him to resolve Wake County cases he did and applied for CJDP funding um to do assessments.

39:32

Uh I get the Mitch was able to help resolve the FTA and FTC fees owed in Orange County, uh, prioritize the assessment and the civic revocation owed.

39:45

Um, and then up to the board for any additional fees.

39:50

Anything I missed or misrepresented Mitch.

39:55

Um, just that so I haven't handled his Orange County FTR FTC yet.

40:00

Those were hoping to do once he does his assessment and pays his civil revocation fee.

40:07

So I believe he was talking with Fresh Start to try and get it scheduled.

40:14

And it's just the fee of having the assessment costs.

40:16

He was unable to put forth to do.

40:19

So he wanted to apply for the debt program primarily for the assessment fee and the civil vacation fee.

40:25

You did mention that he resolved his Wake County case.

40:29

So it was just a week or two after him and I had met back in March.

40:32

He was updating me that he went and got that taken care of.

40:35

He was pretty on top of it and very eager to work through these suspensions.

40:39

Once he gets his assessment and his silver vacation fee paid, then he's going to get back with me so I can get these other cases here in Orange County back into court and you know have the fair to appear closed and the hopefully the fees owed to the court on the 2018 matter you see listed there, second from the bottom, um the 460 amount, try and get that one handled in court.

41:00

So no need for the board to consider the funding for that at this time.

41:05

Um forward, anything else from anyone else to write Mr.

41:09

Parrish.

41:16

He is um actively um engaging as soon as I came back.

41:23

He was ready to meet and work towards a lot of his goals.

41:28

Um so he's very interested in and very interested in housing and getting his life back on track.

41:35

So I would like to see the support go through.

41:39

Good.

41:40

I'm glad to hear that.

41:40

Thanks for writing that.

41:45

Anyone else?

41:48

So you're gonna move to just have his alcohol assessment and save rev rev paid for.

41:53

Yeah, you want to make that motion?

41:54

I'll second it.

41:55

That's what I did.

41:56

Yep.

41:57

All right.

41:57

Mark made a motion to pay a civil rev and also do the assessment.

42:01

I'll second that motion.

42:03

We'll vote beginning with Donna.

42:05

Yes.

42:06

Crystal?

42:07

Yes.

42:09

Tiffany?

42:09

Yes.

42:10

Danielle.

42:12

Yes.

42:13

Ruby.

42:15

Yes.

42:16

April.

42:17

Yes.

42:18

And Amber.

42:19

Yes.

42:20

All right.

42:21

So approved.

42:25

Okay.

42:26

Um Keith Shepard.

42:28

Um, we intentionally held to the end.

42:31

Um Keith would be coming out at the Chapel Hill pot.

42:34

Um has not received any assistance in the past three years or convicted of any violent felonies in the past five.

42:41

It's not currently incarcerated.

42:44

Um, does owe $9,400 and 49 cents in court fees and $3,928 in restitution.

42:54

Um, does not owe anything to the DMV, does not need an alcohol assessment.

42:59

Keith is a 54-year-old black African-American male, not permitted to be employed at this time, but is learning a trade through his internship.

43:08

Currently in a year-long court mandated residential treatment program.

43:12

Actually, he graduated from that program.

43:15

Um has been sober for over six months, was previously unsheltered in Chapel Hill, uh, wants to re-enter into the community with a clean slate so he can work pay rent and positively contribute.

43:29

Currently on probation parole, facing barriers to financial management and transportation.

43:34

Um pending county in or pending case in Orange County.

43:39

Um Keith did graduate from the program.

43:41

He has gotten his license back.

43:43

Um, so there's no specific recommendations outside of um the board um looking at the fees and determining if they want to support any additional fees, which is why we uh kind of left him to the end.

43:59

Yeah, so as Sarah said, um, those notes that were listed there were actually from December.

44:04

And if it was a while ago, but you all may remember that um he was on the application cycle back then, and because he was in that treatment program and we were unsure if if and when he would return back to the jurisdiction, we don't want to move forward with his application in the time being.

44:17

Since that time, um he did graduate, as Sarah mentioned, and he's actually connected with some of our colleagues here in the office um and have getting updates from them as well of his um progress and steps made in the meantime, like getting his license back, obviously, and graduating from their program.

44:34

Um, but no real um I mean thought in my mind of of these fees.

44:41

If anyone has any additional information already, Mr.

44:44

Shepherd, please feel free to share or any thoughts or ideas regarding these uh fees listed ahead of you.

44:49

He is out of the Chapel Hill pot.

44:57

And Lauren mentioned he'll be completing a step-down sober living program in Wilmington.

45:03

Lauren, you know when he leaves for Rolmington.

45:11

So his graduation was Friday, May 8th.

45:15

And when I spoke with his case worker, Jennifer Cole, she had mentioned that um he'll be leaving for I guess Wilmington shortly and doesn't have plans to um return to the area afterwards.

45:26

So Chapel Hill.

45:28

Okay, that's some good context to add this application.

45:35

So it sounds like he may just be stopping back in Orange County before he moves on to his next destination to further his um progress he's making.

45:43

So it's he's making some good strides, but uh sounds like he's not like a resident of Orange County then.

45:52

So on those grounds and information, I'm gonna make a motion just to deny the applicant.

45:58

Um partly due to kind of transient, not staying in Orange County, and that's obviously an eligibility factor for us.

46:06

And um he's done a lot of work himself to get back on the road and everything, so there's not really any fees I see here that would be a direct impact to um aiding him at this time.

46:23

Anyone agreeable to that or want to make a different object different motion?

46:26

Oh second, all right, seconded by Tiffany.

46:30

We'll vote to deny beginning with Donna.

46:33

Yes, Crystal?

46:35

Yes, Mark?

46:37

Yes, Danielle?

46:40

Yes, Ruby?

46:42

Yes, April.

46:44

Yes.

46:45

And Amber.

46:47

Yeah.

46:48

All right, so approved.

46:50

Um, we have one additional thing, and Lauren, um, just stop me if this is already been addressed, but um, we didn't get to talk about this at the last meeting.

47:00

So um, Peter Fleming was a previous applicant.

47:05

He was approved May of 2025 for $316 to cover alcohol assessments.

47:13

Freedom House attempted to contact him to schedule them, but were unsuccessful.

47:17

So they did provide us with a refund back in August of 2025.

47:22

Um, however, the client recently contacted or Peter recently contacted Freedom House to schedule his alcohol assessments.

47:29

So uh just wanted to bring this back to the board to see about approving um of refunding for this.

47:37

So it's in the amount of 316, and he is coming out of the Chapel Hill pot.

47:44

And I assume he's still local to Orange County then, Chapel Hill obviously.

47:59

So I'd have to do some digging to see when this is, but he had um I don't know if this is a recent change, but the address I'm seeing listed for him in our system is a Pittsburgh address.

48:20

Lauren, do you know anything about that?

48:24

I am not aware of his current um address at this time, but I can I can check into it.

48:30

Yeah, both are okay.

48:33

Well, then I would say um recommendation is we just postpone him till June and um at that point clarity on his current residency, and then I personally have no objection to following back up with that.

48:45

I would be curious to know, curious to know though, why he was gone for about a year, uh, maybe get some information on that before June's meeting.

48:55

Okay.

48:56

Any objection from the board regarding that?

48:59

I'll go through a formal vote for it.

49:01

We'll just have it on for June.

49:06

All right, hearing none.

49:07

Um we'll proceed with that for Mr.

49:09

Fleming and see the application or information on him in June.

49:13

Speaking of June, um, it looks like that meeting will be on Monday, June 15th, which is actually the same week of as Juneteenth, Juneteenth.

49:23

Anyone have any um conflict with that?

49:25

Like if people want to be out of the office or anything like that for for June.

49:28

We can move if needed, otherwise we can see keep with June 15th.

49:38

See a couple of shaking heads no.

49:40

So all right, well, I'll see you all um June 15th.

49:43

Anything comes coming up in the meantime, please let Sarah and I know.

49:46

But thanks for all for being here and hope you have a good rest of your.

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Summary of Proceedings

Debt Program Board Meeting - May 18, 2026

The Debt Program Board met on May 18, 2026, to discuss funding updates and review seven applications for financial assistance. The board approved funding for several applicants, denied others, and postponed one case. Key discussions included changes in municipal funding sources.

Discussion Items

  • Funding Update: The board learned that Carborough may discontinue its funding for the program in the next budget cycle, potentially affecting staff (Savannah) and coverage for Carborough residents. Chapel Hill remains committed to its $20,000 annual contribution. The county is considering a $6,000 budget recommendation to support the program, but coverage for Carborough residents under county funds is uncertain.
  • Application Reviews:
    • George Fowler: Approved $416 for two civil revocation fees and two alcohol assessments from Chapel Hill funds.
    • Solomon: Denied due to pending cases and failure to follow up on guidance; may reapply after resolving cases.
    • James Smith: Approved $516 for five alcohol assessments only; other fees to be handled in court.
    • Ben Flagg: Approved $1,114 from Orange County funds for four cases, with the $216 Halifax County payment conditioned on his awareness of pleading guilty.
    • Jaden Lee Leek: Approved $836 from Orange County funds for Guilford and Montgomery County fees, with application to be reconsidered in June after Wake County hearing.
    • Anthony Parrish: Approved for alcohol assessment and civil revocation fee from Chapel Hill funds.
    • Keith Shepard: Denied due to no longer residing in Orange County after completing treatment program.
    • Peter Fleming: Postponed to June meeting to clarify residency status.

Key Outcomes

  • Approved funding for five applicants with specific amounts and conditions.
  • Denied two applications (Solomon and Keith Shepard).
  • Postponed one application (Peter Fleming) pending residency verification.
  • Next meeting scheduled for June 15, 2026, with no conflicts noted.

Meeting Transcript

We have quorum now. Thanks all for being here. Before we do jump into some things, just want to kind of give an update about like the situation with the board. That being like our funding. We're kind of in a bit of a limbo right now, we found out. So as we all know, the justice project used to support the the board dissolved in its place. The county is hopefully considering some funding to support county residents and about $6,000 was what the budget recommendation was to support the debt program to then support the um residents that we serve. However, we recently learned from Carborough that it sounds like Carborough may be doing away with their funding in the new budget cycle. Sarah received work from the town. Was it last month, Sarah? You heard you heard word from them. Uh-huh. Um really kind of blindsided. There wasn't any like heads up of hey, this is gonna be a possibility. It was more just a as far as we were aware of a firm no, we're not gonna proceed with this any further. Um we're gonna be kind of I guess being creative next fiscal year and seeing how we can use the funding we have. Uh I've been thinking of perhaps once if and when the county does approve the funding for us, that if we can expand that to also cover Carbro residents since Carbro's no longer assisting. Um, but to keep everyone in the loop on this, and so everyone's fully advised about this, these changes. This may also mean we're gonna lose Savannah. Um when she when the funding for Carbro is is gone. I believe it also takes away her her time with us. So um obviously a lot of work for us with meeting minutes. I don't see her on the call right now, but um we'll need to kind of adapt some of our work during these meetings to make sure we have meeting minutes taken care of and all of our T's crossed and I've dotted. Um Sarah, any other thing I didn't mention. Uh no, the only thing is I I did check and uh Chapel Hill is still committed to uh the 20,000 that they give to the program each year. Okay. Yes, Crystal. So does this mean if an individual is charged, um is they're dealing with charges or fees that are in another county, but reside in Chapel Hill, it would still support them. Right. So how the funding is used is it depends on where the person is located, where the residence is. And so money from town of Chapel Hill is for Chapel Hill residents to pay fees wherever they may have fees associated. Carborough residents historically we've been pulling from the Carborough pot, but with Carbor now taking away their funding, that puts us in a limbo of how to cover those residents out of Carborough. The justice project now becoming like the Orange County funding is has been used to you to cover Hillsborough residents and the rest of the the county, as of the city limits. So it won't be that's where I was getting confused. So the county funds that we would be using, it wouldn't go towards Carbor residents. So that's what we need to discuss, I think, once like the commissioners actually approve the um town manager's budget because when it was proposed to Travis, our county manager to help with this funding and he was on board for it, the discussion was to be used in place of what Justice Project was using to cover like county residents and Hillsborough residents because we had the funding sources at the time, still believed it would be re-upped for both Chapel Hill and Carborough, and now we're realizing that Carborough is taking that money away. So once we get into the new fiscal year and the money has been approved to be drawn upon, then probably go back to the um town manager and make sure it's not gonna be wrongful to use the cover Carborough residents since carp since Carlborough is taking away their funding. Does that make sense? Okay. Any other orders of business to address before we get started on this month this month's meeting? All right. Um Sarah, I'm gonna try and do my best to take take notes um for meeting minutes since uh don't see Savannah on today's call. Okay. Lauren said she could take notes too, Mitch. Okay, that'd be really appreciated, Lauren. I'll try and still take some notes as I can. Thank you. So we'll start off with the roll call. Um Donna. Here Crystal.

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