Andre and County.

All right, attention.

Good evening.

Welcome to our planning commission meeting.

Today's date is Thursday, August 14th, 2025.

Thanks to the staff that's put everything together as usual.

And thanks for staying late tonight.

So thank you also to the commissioners up here volunteering their time.

And then thank you to our neighbors and friends that are out there as applicants in the in the audience today.

So and uh of course, those listening in, we're sorry that your Netflix subscription ran out, and you've decided to tune in to the Draper planning commission meeting via via web audio.

All right, but seriously now let's go ahead and get started.

So we have one public meeting uh item on here.

It is on the request of Shane Carter.

It's a subdivision plat amendment on approximately 0.99 acres located at 690 East and 12100 South.

This is known as application SUBD-710-2019.

And Mary Ann Pickering's our staff contact.

So go ahead, Mary Ann.

If I can get the PowerPoint to work, no worries.

The gaming mice are a little sensitive.

There we go.

Okay.

This request is the properties located off 121st South, which is right here, and then this is 7th East for reference.

This is a detailed view of the property, and you can see there is an existing house right here on the lot.

The land use category on this property is residential, low medium density, and the zoning is RA2, which is our half acre minimum.

This property right here, it's cross-hatched here.

It's part of the original Draperville plat.

So this one does require a plat amendment because it was part of Draperville.

It's an extra process for our applicants.

This is the proposed configuration.

It is a flag lot.

It did come in in 2019.

They had some other issues to work through.

So we've kept the application active.

Both of the lots do meet the minimum for the zone, even with those new flag lot standards that you adopted probably three or four years ago.

It still complies with that.

When this house, when this property in the back is developed, there will be those increased setbacks by five or ten feet as part of the flag lot standards.

This one took quite a while because there was some right-of-way issues at the front of the house because it was Draperville and in doing title searches.

There was just a property that the Carters thought had been dedicated to them.

We found documentation with the county.

It never really happened.

It wasn't recorded.

So they worked with the city through a very extensive process to acquire that right-of-way.

And that's part of why this process took so long to go through.

But they needed that square footage at the front to be part of the lot so that they could meet the minimum standards for the zone.

So everything's good.

This is our last approval for this project.

Their next step will be to record the plat and create the new lot.

And I did not have anybody reach out about this application when we sent the noticing.

Thank you.

All right, do we have any questions for Mary Ann?

All right.

Is the applicant here?

You're welcome to come up and add anything if you'd like.

And we may have a question or two.

It's up to you.

And if you come up, just uh state your name for the recording.

Good evening.

I appreciate everybody being here.

I'm Shane Carter.

And as Marianne has said, this has been a six-year undertaking.

Um, as residents of Draper, we live just a block away.

Our goal, we purchased this house for my mother.

She had cancer at the time, and now we're likely gonna build on it.

And so we're we think we're at the finish line.

It seems like it's been one after another after another.

I'm happy to answer any questions.

I feel like I'm kind of well versed on this stuff.

I know more than I should know.

Uh but ask away.

We've talked to neighbors, everybody's fine with it.

There you you can go back to the records when all this started five or six years ago.

You know, we we love the area, and of course, we'd we'd like to keep it single family type of stuff.

Good.

Well, perfect.

No, uh looks pretty straightforward.

So thank you.

That's it.

So it's a public hearing.

We'll open it up for public comment, and then uh if there's any questions after that, I don't see it being highly contested.

After that, we might invite you back up, but thank you.

All right, so this is a public hearing.

We'll go ahead and open it up for public comment.

Uh we have the way this works is we've got a three-minute timer over there in the red.

Uh you're welcome to take up to three minutes.

Uh, just don't don't go over.

We no public hearing.

It's a meeting.

Oh, thank you.

See, Mary Ann, that I could tell from that.

I can write there.

Yeah, she's watching me.

So disregard.

No public hearing.

Commissioners, what are your thoughts?

I remember this when it came through five six five, six years ago.

Me too.

Me too.

That's fine.

So I'm ready to make a motion.

Is anyone else um wanting to make a comment or discuss?

No?

Nope.

Okay.

I gotta speak in the mic better here.

I move that we approve the subdivision plat amendment as requested by Shane Carter for the Carter Subdivision Plat Amendment application SUBD 7102019, based on the following findings for approval and subject to the requirements as listed in the staff report dated August 5, 2025.

Um there's good cause for this amendment, and um no public student or municipal utility easement will be vacated or amended.

Perfect.

Thanks for that motion, Lisa.

Who will second her motion?

I'll second.

Thanks, Mary.

Okay, so let's go ahead and put this through for an approval.

Shavom had or excuse me.

Lisa, how do you vote?

Yes.

Mary.

Yes.

Then Shabom.

Yes.

Susan?

Yes.

And Laura.

Yes.

Okay, congrats on that, and thanks again.

Uh I we do hope you're at the physics line there.

So we usually don't allow applause, but I'll allow it.

So if I'm gonna now for a public hearing, it would have been a lot stiffer, so you're welcome for that.

So anyway, but seriously, thanks.

All right.

So uh one more agenda item on our list tonight.

It is training.

So we have annual planning commissioner training by city staff.

And I see here in the fine print it was limited to seven minutes.

Is that correct?

Seven?

Is that just a oh that's just a seven D.

Just some food there on my agenda, never mind.

It's a smudge.

No, go ahead, staff.

Seriously, we'll turn it over to you.

Yeah.

So uh as you know, we do have to do this training every year.

Uh there's uh four or four hours are required if you attend the 12 meetings.

Uh you get one of those hours.

Uh and then uh we've had a couple of trainings from our attorneys on some of the land use changes uh in state code that have happened and and uh some of the powers and duties.

Uh but we do have to do some land use as well in there.

So um we've kind of decided to kind of split it up, do a couple of different things from our ordinance uh today.

We picked landscaping.

Uh and so we'll just kind of see how this goes.

Um to try making a little more fun.

I know Spencer's presentations are way more fun.

But uh I did uh add a few videos, so we can start with this one.

I wish you'd smile more when you garden in Richard.

If I do that, they're gonna lock me away.

Try to look as though you're enjoying it, dear.

But I don't particularly enjoy it.

It's just something that has to be done.

Well, that's how it appears.

The garden looks well enough.

Oh, it's not the garden, dear.

It's you.

You look as though you're not enjoying doing it, which gives the impression that we can't afford a garden.

Richard, keep your voice down.

We can't afford a coffee.

That's all the more reason why we should look as though we can afford a coffee.

So in the future, could you look like someone who enjoys doing his own gardening, but could afford a gardener if he wanted to.

Sorry, what?

No, but I oh okay.

I didn't say that.

I thought that something came over.

So yeah, uh landscaping might not be the most uh glamorous topic, and uh uh some of that uh is not lost on this.

But um what I wanted to just kind of review quickly is kind of if you will, the enabling section of some of this that uh comes under the Utah code here.

That's in 10 uh 9A 536, and it really just kind of starts out with uh uh state law often does uh a couple of uh sometimes random uh definitions, if you will.

So just what they define as lawn or turf, melt mulch, overhead spray irrigation.

The fun one is this private landscaping plan, which uh is kind of an odd term as it just says it's defining this other section.

So I kind of have that right here.

It's just any plan from uh uh or proposal to install landscaping a lot by a private individual or entity.

So pretty much everybody.

Is that residential commercial doesn't matter?

Yeah, it's all the same.

Yeah.

And then it's so as long as it's submitted.

Sorry.

Is this a new thing?

Uh no.

Um a lot of this has been here for a while.

Uh some of it did change this year.

I didn't really get a chance to kind of compare which which pieces changed.

Uh, but the they just kind of define that, you know, anyone that submits a plan that to the city by that private individual or entity on behalf of the one that owns the lot or the property, if you will.

And then they have uh definition for vegetative coverage, that coverage that's at the ground level, and you'll note here that it uh doesn't include trees.

The way the state road is a little different, and I think that might have been one of the little changes they made uh this past uh session.

So who controls coverage, city or state?

Uh well, actually the city would have to adopt something, and so we'll we'll get into that.

Yes, we we have adopted something uh in the ordinance for that, but it's just the state has a definition as well.

We may need to amend to maybe come closer to it, but we do have a definition that generally aligns with that.

And then probably the bigger one here is their definition of what is water wise landscaping.

Uh it's any of these following items.

So it's the installation of plants materials suited to the microclimate and soil conditions.

Of course, it would need to, as you see their name, be remain healthy and be maintained without the use of overhead spray irrigation.

Uh so drip irrigation would be the alternative there.

It's either that or it's uh use of water for outdoor irrigation through proper and efficient irrigation design and water application.

Who's to determine what's proper?

Uh you know, there's a lot of professional things out there uh and some of them maybe conflict a little bit, but uh again we'll we have our ordinance to kind of guide that.

What's the difference between this and zero scaping?

So this is kind of the state creating if you will, uh a big kind of circle around all of the things that it could be.

Zero escaping would be one part in there.

Um but any other any of these different things that could be water wise are included in that.

This is my favorite topic.

I'm always arguing with every every architect, every uh engineer I've worked with.

I'm always arguing, so I would love to learn more.

This is great.

Okay.

So and then the third thing here, uh kind of as a catch-all, if you will, use of other landscape design features uh that either minimize the need of uh the landscape for supplemental water irrigation or reduce the landscape area dedicated to lawn or turf.

One thing the state seems to be uh the biggest issue for them is reducing lawn and turf.

Uh in fact, uh unless they've adopted new rules recently, that is the only rule that they adopted outside of uh the actual constitution code section here was that you can't have turf in in areas eight feet or less.

So just kind of moving on again in the state code here.

Uh talks a little bit more about the city, what we can and can't enforce, what we can enact in our ordinance.

Uh we can't enact uh or enforce an ordinance resolution or policy, so any of those three uh that prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting a property owner from incorporating water wise landscaping on the property owner's property.

A lot of words, but we we uh can't force somebody to do something uh that's not water-wise is kind of the idea here.

Of course, that's the gist of it.

There's some exceptions, of course, in this section three below.

Uh that that subsection two uh does not prohibit a municipality from requiring property owners to do these following things.

Comply with site plan review, a private light landscape plan, there's that term again, uh reviewing that or other review process before installing water-wise landscaping.

Uh doesn't prevent the city from requiring them to maintain it in a healthy condition, and it doesn't prevent the city from uh requiring them to follow specific waterwise landscape design requirements adopted by the municipality.

So that would be our code, including requirements as you see there, uh that would either restrict or clarify the use of mulches, we don't have that.

Uh imposes minimum or maximum vegetative standards.

It's kind of why I highlighted those there.

We do have that.

And then uh if it restricts or prohibits the use of specific plant materials, uh in some ways we do have that.

Um and then the second part B there, municipality may not require property owner to install or keep in place lawn or turf in an area uh with a width less than eight feet.

Municipality may not require property owner to install or keep in place lawn or turf in an area uh with a width less than eight feet.

So there's that thing the state really cares about.

Um then just real quick.

So eight feet square or length width.

So thinking about how that how's that affect like a parking strip then?

So if somebody wants to just fall on turf their parking strip would be a real world example.

Is lawn you have to have overhead um spray irrigation, and if it's eight feet or less in width or less than eight feet in width, it you're watering the sidewalk.

You're watering other areas besides the grass.

That's why that's where the water wise comes in.

Yeah, to be efficient, it has to be wider than eight feet.

Got it.

And the other part of that too is uh when it's less than eight with that pavement next to it, heats up a lot, you're putting a lot more water on it.

So that's the thing they care about the most.

And so it was just making sure we we don't require grass in a park strip because I know some mini municipalities have.

As long as I've been here, that hasn't been the requirement.

Or tree diamonds or anything silly like that.

Yeah, yeah.

We we had tree diamonds for a minute.

We got we got those out.

Not grass diamonds, just tree diamonds.

Yeah.

Got it.

So the next portion here, and I highlight it because we do we did put this in, we do have it.

Uh uh a municipality may require a seller of a newly constructed residence to inform the first buyer of the newly constructed residence of a municipal ordinance requiring waterwise landscaping.

So on our subdivision plats, we do require a note uh that it's subject to the street trees that are required.

That the new property owner will be required to install those, and that there's a street tree plan that the developer provided at the time of the subdivision plat.

So we do have that and and we do require them to let that first uh homeowner know that hey, you've got some requirements.

Um do they did that?

Do they get occupancy?

Yes, they get occupancy first.

Oh, really?

Yeah, and I'll go over that here a little later too.

But yeah, when in our ordinance, yeah, I that's kind of the next section, but we'll get there.

Um the other interesting thing, and this is I think maybe one of the new things they added here, it's kind of why I underline it.

We do have to report the division water resources if we make or changes basically to our ordinance resolution or policy to implement a regional-based water use efficiency standard.

So I think that was kind of something new.

They wanted us to let them know every little time we did something.

Um, because uh when we did adopt the ordinance uh two years ago, um we did get a few calls from the state, and then if you recall we had to bring back a little tiny amendment uh to fix something that they didn't like that they thought uh exempted some people from having to from that eight-foot rule of uh on the grass, and then again, just the last piece municipalities can enforce their ordinance.

So moving on, like we were to our ordinance, uh chapter 923.

It's uh landscaping and screening, some of the intended purposes of that chapter, uh, just to protect the existing vegetation and trees.

If you remember, we kind of enhanced that, made it a little more clear what trees need to be protected, which ones didn't.

Um it's also to promote water conservation through water wise landscape design, enhance the value and appearance of property, buffer and mitigate impacts between conflicting land uses and maintain and improve environmental conditions, and then lastly, kind of the catch-all, uh improve public health and general welfare of residents, employees, and visitors.

So they're kind of just broad and overarching purposes.

Um who has to follow our ordinance?

Ideas, thoughts?

Everyone, it's a little bit a little bit nuanced here in our ordinance, uh, but basically all new development and existing developments that are making modifications to their property.

So if we've got say, I'm trying to think of the Kmart up here, but probably a bad example, but maybe they're they want to do an addition, bump something out.

The new addition would need to comply to the current ordinance, uh, depending on the size they might have to bring even the whole property up to compliance.

Would that also would that also apply for subdivision amendments that didn't have that requirement previously?

Or it could, yeah.

We would look on any subdivision amendment, usually, you know, is there street trees or is there street tree plan?

Um a lot of the amendments are for subdivisions that are already installed them.

So you might not always see that on an amendment here, but uh some you will.

Uh and sometimes we just recommend it even if they're amending um the lot or or certain things and they just don't have their street trees in, and maybe they want to change what trees they want in the landscape, they could do that.

So would they have to do it for the whole subdivision, or would it be just what's the case?

Just the one lot or two lots or whatever they're amending.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but for the most part, most of the amended subdivisions that we see already have the trees installed as part of kind of the original subdivision uh or per the plan.

Some of those didn't put them necessarily in front of every house, they were might have been clustered or in uh in different areas.

So the reason I said it's a little nuanced, there are exemptions.

So bona fide agricultural uses are exempt.

They don't have to necessarily follow that chapter, and then single and two family dwelling properties are exempt from almost all of it, uh, but not quite all of it.

Uh because it was written mostly towards the commercial uh angle.

So just a couple of these basic requirements for residential.

Uh they can't have lawn or turf on slopes that are greater than 25%, or again, eight feet wide.

Um is limited 35% of the total landscaped area.

Trees under power lines must be low growing, but we only make a recommendation that they pick trees from the street tree list for those kind of on site uh trees if they have a power line that crosses somewhere else.

Uh the street trees, like we'd mentioned are required.

Uh the property owner is responsible for their maintenance.

I think we get that question a lot.

Uh they want the city to come out and trim them or water them or fix them.

Uh, but technically the property owner is required to maintain the trees adjacent to their property and to water them.

Um we do require waterwise plant species.

Uh we still require the drip trickle irrigation systems to conserve water, and that's usually for everything that isn't grass, and then we uh want them to use mulch to reduce that water evaporation and reap and weed growth.

A couple other kind of design requirements, if you will.

Uh minimum 50% of the front yard needs to be landscaped, and that's for lots that are over 8,000 square feet in size.

Under that, we'll allow smaller um that was mainly kind of to make sure that we're not getting these uh massive driveways paved where they just kind of go from one side to the other.

Um we didn't put a specific area uh of required amount of landscaping in a rear side yard.

We left that up to the homeowner, and then of course uh we're looking for that landscape design that would achieve a live plant coverage of about 75% at the time of maturity.

So roughly about 10 years is what it takes for a landscape to completely grow in.

Uh, and so that's why we're kind of basing on that on that.

There's some math in there to reduce urban heat island effect and and especially if they're using things like rock mulch in that.

And then other water wise design criteria that are applicable to say commercial and multifamily uh landscaping are recommended still that they follow those, but they're not required in individual homeowner residential single family, two-family properties.

Is that a question?

Yes.

Um if someone is converting their front yard completely from lawn to turf, artificial turf, did they need to contact the city at all?

Technically, they should follow the plan.

So the difference here too, and that comes probably here at the end.

I don't know if you want to talk about enforcement.

My neighbor just if there's something that a residence does that's outside of this, we have some different enforcement mechanisms there if we got a complaint.

Um, but we do allow for artificial turf.

Yeah, I think I one of my neighbors just did that, and that actually looks fantastic.

I love them.

But anyway, yeah.

So the code allows the artificial turf, but we're still looking at that 75%, you know, plant coverage in your landscaping areas, and we limit the amount of turf.

So I think unfortunately them like the mount limits wouldn't change just because it's artificial versus they still have to have live live vegetation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And and the 35% lawn coverage, uh, the way the ordinance is written is kind of artificial turf can be swapped for lawn, kind of back and forth at the same kind of thing.

Uh technically, if you install it correctly, they should have sprinklers on the artificial lawn.

Keep it watered and it actually keeps it clean.

So they it still has over kind of overhead spray uh for the the so we say newer age uh artificial turf.

Okay, interesting things.

So yeah, if if somebody did something kind of outside of that, I mean we're not gonna go around, we don't have those kind of resources to try and track everybody and whether they did it exactly to the letter.

We do not require a plan from a residence.

That's probably another key point here.

When I said they're exempt for most things, that's one of them.

They they do not have to submit us a plan.

Uh the only time we would see a plan, and this is a little bit different.

If they kind of did say the rip your strip program with uh water conservancy district, uh the water conservancy district uh usually will forward those plans to us to say, does this comply with your ordinance before they approve it for the rebate and things like that?

So we'll we'll look at those, but those are kind of minimal and usually just limited to kind of park strip, and they're not really hard to comply with.

It's it's pretty easy.

Yeah, and just a note on that rip your rip your strip or whatever that is.

That is I have never seen one that's looked good, by the way.

It turns into either a mulch patch, uh a display of hose drip lines on display there for everyone walking by.

So what that that actually shocks me that you guys are getting to review those from the conservancy district.

So the difference may be are they getting the rebate?

No, it's if they're just doing it on their own.

We don't see no, it's the execution that most people are.

I mean, everybody bags look at this.

I got six hundred dollars back for this, and it looks like garbage.

I mean, it's like I mean I hate to say that, but it's just that the it's almost the uh there's nothing you can do about it because the plan will look great, and the hoses are all exposed, and then yeah.

Yeah, not the best uh on the installation.

It's the execution of those, so yes, I'm anti-rip your strip.

I would rather just for the record.

Good good to know.

Do it yourself for flip your strip?

Oh, I'm anti that too, though.

Against it.

So we moved to the part, we're gonna take a little pit stop here.

I found a fun picture.

Um go to another video.

A community garden right in the middle of the pit.

We're encouraging people to just come out and plant whatever they want.

And Tom and I sometimes get here early and help out.

So hot.

I need to get some more iced tea.

People have just really embraced this and planted the coolest stuff.

And Tom is our master of horticulturist, he knows all the scientific names for everything, right, Tom?

Yeah.

Like this?

What's this, Tom?

Um, those are of course tomatoes or soldier boy tellers.

Whenever Leslie asked me for the Latin names of any of our plants, I just gave her the names of wrappers.

And those over there?

Uh those are some daidies.

Some uh bone thugs and harmoniums right here.

Growing beautifully.

Those ludicrous are coming in great.

Look, someone planted something new.

What's this?

What do you think?

Carrots?

That's true.

We have a garden pest on our hands.

Maybe some kind of spice.

Yeah, you know, Leslie, the best way to figure out what kind of spice that is, is roll it up into a joint and smoke.

Fun fun one there.

Thank you.

Uh parks and rec.

Uh I can only watch so much of it.

It reminds me too much of work sometimes.

Um, that was a good break between our uh our uh residential kind of single family, two family, and kind of what the requirements are when we move kind of to commercial uh industrial multi-family.

Um this is the one where we require them to present us that plan.

State will call it that other term, uh, but we're looking for landscape and irrigation plans.

Uh we do require them to be stamped by like a licensed landscape architect or landscape designer, uh, so that we know that uh we're getting something that's kind of quality coming in.

Those commercial sites for most of them uh have to devote at least 25 or 20, not 25, sorry, 20% of the gross site to landscaping.

There are those restrictions.

We talked about removing existing trees.

They gotta kind of give us a real good reason for removing anything kind of around the perimeter.

Um that's kind of the way that that works.

Uh they do have a little bit lower limit on turf.

They're limited to 20% of their overall landscaped area in turf.

Uh they still have the same eight-foot prohibition on that turf for the width, the same 75% plant coverage at maturity.

Uh just to point out their detention retention basins do need to be landscaped.

Uh, and then they also have uh species diversity requirements, both uh requirement for trees and for other plants.

The idea is to make sure that they're just not putting the same thing in over and over and over.

If we had disease or something come in, we don't want it to wipe out the whole landscape.

We do require uh for commercial plans that they go get a laboratory analysis of the site soils and tell us what kind of amendments they need to put in.

That's kind of been a little bit of a tough one for them.

It was required in the old ordinance.

Um we tried to make it a little clearer in in this new one from two years ago.

Uh it's still recommended, say for residential uh that they go and do that.

It's very helpful.

You can get those done fairly inexpensively.

Most of the universities universities actually have a laboratory and they have students running them.

And then we do have some minimum size requirements, quality standards for those trees and plants.

Yes.

Who comes up with this 20% number?

So some of this came from Jordan Valley Water Conservancy District and their standards, which we were required to adopt so that the citizens could participate in the rip your strip kind of programs.

So from the state.

Yeah, a little bit from the state, but uh more from the water district.

I don't know.

Yes, so with Jordan Valley, um, we also partner with them on our water supply or the Draper City water sign.

Um so this is also part of that partnership, making sure that we are uh following their standards to make the city more water wise.

Every city has a different deal with Jordan Patty, and because I think Bob is a different percentage.

Essentially, every city that is part of Jordan Valley Water Conservancy District has had to adopt their standards.

20%.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm I'm pretty sure that's where that came from.

Yeah.

So the goal is we don't have grass for you know, and this is commercial, so it's office, uh, industrial, that kind of thing.

We don't want a lot of grass.

What what that 20% will do, we'll the designers will put that where it's most effective.

So I know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm just I've I've also found that like the drip systems versus you know, from the over the last couple decades, that's really switched.

So the drip system I found that the overhead watering versus drip, the the plants survive better, they grow faster, they grow bigger, you have a uh rapidly mature, you know, landscape plan versus the drip system is just I mean I've I've had it both ways now.

We just barely switched over to a drip, and I'm going, man, I'm the 20%.

You know, which I can build with an extra five percent.

Yeah, I guess my point is you could probably pair that.

You could probably pair that down to 15 and go with overhead watering.

I think what it is is it's just the evolution of the drip versus the overhead irrigation, seriously.

We don't want you to overbuild a lot.

We want you to put green in.

Sorry.

And not so much parking.

Well, we do like parking too, but yeah, and and to clarify, make sure this is the limit on what you can put in that landscaping.

You still have to the landscaping's still 20% of the site, but this is only 20% of that 20% that can be in turf.

So it's it's a it's a small area.

Couple of things, we do require that irrigation plan, not just the landscape plans, but the irrigation, they have to have that backflow preventer, they've got to account for the water pressure that's there on site.

Um, they've got to have an irrigation controller that's EPA certified or meets the equivalent.

Um we found that there's a lot of them out there that meet that, even if they're not taking the steps to go get federal government certified.

Um the non-turf areas still need to be irrigated with that drip irrigation, tree bubblers for trees, um sprinklers have operational hours, so that we're kind of evening and early morning, not during the warmer parts of the day, and then we just have some limits in there as well on natural open space or naturalized areas that we're not putting irrigation in there, or if we are, it's very temporary to maybe get a site reseeded and then set and then uh pull that irrigation back out.

Again, with commercial sites, you can have your parking lots.

So we do have that separate standard.

You'll probably hear that from us every once in a while in a staff report.

Um multiple family uh development needs 10%.

The kind of regular commercial is at 7%, and if you're just kind of industrial warehouse, it's at five.

Uh there is kind of some bleed over between whether it's commercial or industrial on some projects, so it usually ends up being commercial in the higher rate.

Uh and then we just have some of those typical designs features.

So there's now just down to landscaped islands, either at the end of the parking rows every 15 stalls in longer uh runs of uh parking rows, and then it between head to head parking.

They also have to have a strip between those.

Uh and then just uh as well along access ways just to kind of maybe define a difference between where the parking is and where where the dry vial is.

And then we have kind of two other things that sometimes play nice together in the sandbox and sometimes don't as well.

We have our perimeter landscaping requirements uh with uh uh 10 feet around the perimeter, but they can be superseded by the buffer requirements.

Um so if we have commercial industrial or uh multiple family uses next to single family or residential zones, we'll either have a 20 foot or a 30 foot uh buffer.

Of course, those can be reduced down to 10 feet, and you'll probably see that more frequently if they use that eight foot uh tall fence or wall uh at the property line.

Uh and so I think we see a lot of that.

So that's kind of when you see those plans.

We've kind of looked at that as staff reviewed it.

Um and technically zony administrator gets to make the call on whether they they met it, but we'll review that.

And then of course we have screening.

Uh this one's kind of been uh a little different.

We didn't the old ornaments didn't have a lot of standards or or easily identifiable ones.

So we kind of set some some quantitative pieces to this for screening so that they know uh if it's a trash receptacle or a service or loading area or utility boxes or mechanical equipment like these units or generators, they've got to screen those with landscaping, they gotta account for that in their site.

Uh and then we have different size requirements based on what they're doing, so that it actually gets screened.

Uh I think uh kind of under the old one, a lot of times we'd get kind of that low creeping ground cover, and you got a four-foot box sitting there, and it's not doing a whole lot to screen if it's six inches tall.

So uh some some quantitative uh requirements there as well.

And then kind of that last piece is just kind of like I was saying earlier the enforcement um residential street trees.

Uh they have a year after they get that C of O move in to actually install them.

So our kind of policy, if you will, is put it on your calendar and go see if they got it done in a year.

Um but uh we're working on some things we did hire landscape inspector, started what a month ago.

Uh, who will be helping us uh go out and and watch some of the installations and make sure that we're getting trees and our pic park strips installed correctly.

They'll go out with say parks and rack as well, or if there's maybe some public works projects.

So hopefully we're also getting better installations on the projects that we do as well.

Um if it's commercial installation, of course, uh newer expanded.

We will check those kind of at the final building inspection certificate of occupancy.

But in the same sense, we cannot hold up a C of O with their certificate of occupancy there for uh landscaping uh specifically.

So we've kind of given them kind of that same year of grace, put it on the calendar, and anything we do in force is just kind of through our regular code enforcement process after that.

So it state kind of took away our teeth a little bit.

Um, but uh most of that we've kind of put on the front end by requiring the plans uh and making sure that they comply with these uh water wise design features.

And of course, yeah, anything that's existing, it's on complaint.

Uh upon complaint, we'll have to investigate and figure out if there's a violation or not.

That'd be our code enforcement officer.

And uh with that, of course, I think we come to our last thing.

What's going on?

What happened to our crops?

I picked them, used them, and delivered them to every store in town.

Your business is saved, but there weren't enough vegetables left to fill that order.

That's what I thought at first.

But then I found the other garden behind the barn, the one with the camouflage netting.

Uh-oh.

Homer, those were our personal vegetables.

Well, now the whole town can benefit from their nutrients.

All right.

And now the whole town can benefit that we know uh what's in our landscape ordinance.

Um I just felt that might be a little bit helpful as we do get projects in as you're looking at possible mitigation measures, things like that.

When we do landscaping, uh, you kind of know some of the components and things that uh are already in there, or that we could pull out and utilize in in different situations.

Um we do impose conditions, we need to have them come from our ordinance somewhere or or relate to something that we already regulate.

So hopefully that was helpful.

Any questions?

Thank you.

Appreciate you sitting there and listening to me for that long.

No, well done.

We appreciate that.

Thanks for keeping it lively and then succinct, so we appreciate it.

All right, Commissioners.

Do we see any other business on our agenda or before us?

I move that we adjourn.

Oh man.

Oh, there we go.

I know I had a high microphone.

Sorry, what?

I didn't even have the child.

Oh, well.

Gotcha.

Bye-bye.

Thank you.