Ladies from Salt Lake County.

Welcome all our study session order.

And our first item is a presentation from the health department from coordination Dorothy Adams, Salt County Health Director.

She's going to talk to us about the protocols for water that gets in a system that's not supposed to be consumed.

Oh, ID.

That never happened.

Come on up.

I am not going to talk about that.

I like a little bit of that.

Is there a clicker?

Yeah, I was going to say there's a clicker up front, and then if someone's going to be able to do that.

Oh, okay.

I got that.

Well, thank you for letting me join your meeting today.

One of my goals, and I'm new in this position.

I've been in the position about a year, but I'm not new to the health department.

I've worked with the health department for 38 years.

A lot of my time in water quality.

So we have a lot of great stories about water quality.

Oh goodness.

Okay, thank you.

I'm glad something.

But one of the things this is taken before COVID, and I look a lot younger, so I'm glad we'll be using that.

COVID took it out of people.

Exactly.

But I was the deputy director for a long time.

But what I also did a lot of during the course of my career is I worked in the field.

So I was immersed in the cities that I was involved in, so being an environmental health water quality.

I worked a lot at the city level, and I understand the connection that's needed between our department and what the needs are of the communities.

Because they're different.

Every city is different.

So it is a goal of mine to maintain that connection with the cities because we're your health department.

We've had many different needs for the health department during the course of my career, Salt Lake City County Health Department when I first started, Salt Lake Valley Health Department, and now Salt Lake County.

But I think sometimes by being called Salt Lake County, people don't understand.

We are the city, we are the city's health departments.

There are no other city health departments other than ours.

So we are your health department.

We need to understand what your needs are so that our programming is meeting those needs.

We're the largest local health department in Utah, not surprisingly.

We were accredited in 2014, and that was by national accreditation.

So making sure that the services we provide really are up to snuff with national standards.

And then we were named local health department of the year in 2019 by the National Association of City Income.

Social determinants of health, and I'm just gonna kind of give you an overview of what we do and then get kind of into the specifics about services that we provide.

Everyone's heard, I think, this term lately.

Social determinants or health are things that affect people's health outcomes, like your education, your economic stability, neighborhood, availability of housing, health care in an area, and then social and community context.

And what we find in this quadrant is social and community context, a lot of it is connection to your communities.

That actually has a direct impact on your health outcomes.

If you're connected to the communities, it helps guide you to make a good decision ultimately.

And really, um, Whitney is with our coalitions.

I'm going to get into that a little bit more, but we found that supporting coalitions, and there's 18 different coalitions throughout the county.

That's where communities can build how it looks in their communities to have that connection to their communities.

Work that makes a difference in their outcomes.

We're governed by a board of health that's actually set up in state statute, and we have 15 members.

They represent um different areas of Salt Lake County.

Because we are um we over we're regulating um departments, so environmental health, food inspections.

I think it's the best, what we're known for best.

Um pool inspections, food inspections, all of those kinds of things.

We have representation on our board from the regulated community.

Who left Wickers on the board?

He just recently actually left.

He actually just recently left, and Mayor Lang has replaced Mayor Wickers.

So he was great.

He was with us.

So do we have a Draper person on there?

No.

And actually, Scott Um Brown is as well.

He lives in Draper.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

This is overall our budget.

We're you know 60, almost 68 million dollars.

Um, you can see from our funding.

We rely on grants, so this past budgeting cycle has been a little bit interesting for us as we've not really gotten great communication on grants that we have historically received, and but we're getting there.

Um 30% is fees, so we charge for services and we try to recover the entire cost of our service when it makes sense.

So we're not going to try and recover the entire cost of our service when we're providing an immunization because our goal is to get people the foundational immunizations, but we're going to charge when we're doing a restaurant inspection because that cost can be passed on to those people that decide they want to go to a restaurant, and then a little less 26% now in county taxes.

We have um seven different facilities, and this is new.

This is close to our new household hazardous waste facility, so that's located in Sandy.

Um for years I actually started the household hazardous waste program, and I would have collection events in Traverse.

I remember coming out here and having our one-day collection events.

But participation from the South End of the Valley is really what um cultivated our desire to have a facility on the south end.

Is that open now?

Uh-huh.

It is, and the transfer station is opening in September.

Yeah, yeah.

So you can you can go to that free time during regular and it's free.

Um, we actually fund the program through a fee that the health department assesses on private and public landfills.

So it's not tax dollars are not being used on the we started the program about 35 years ago, which takes me a little bit.

So like paint, oils, paints, oils, pesticides, electronics, little TV computer, we take all of that.

Um we actually even offer this really important.

We offer a service to small businesses.

So if you're a paint contractor and you have a small amount of paint because of what you do, um, where if you call the hazardous waste facility to come and take whatever cake product you have, they charge you for a full rump.

If they come to our facility, we just charge them for the amount that they take up.

So it makes it very affordable for businesses to do the right thing.

We're regulatory, and we'll get into like with storm drain.

So if you're seeing a business illegally putting stuff in the storm drain, sometimes it's just because they think I can't afford to do the right thing.

So it's important for us to uh provide opportunities for them to do the right thing.

But we're located throughout the um throughout the county.

Um this is kind of our oldest facility.

The public health center sat on that corner for over 50 years.

So obviously it didn't look like that 50 years ago.

Foundational public health services, and it's really how we divide the division work that we do.

So communical diseases, investigation, we're doing that all the time.

The surveillance that goes on, everyone has heard about measles, our team is watching um measles as cases thankfully none in our county.

I keep keeping my fingers crossed, but a barrier between Utah County and us, but we're standing still at just 11 cases, so it looks like we've missed it for right now, hopefully keeping our fingers crossed because this is a but that division is made up of epidemiologists.

We're also tracking um respiratory illness, keeping track.

We get a lot of information.

Hospitals have to report to us, so we're keeping track of that.

Environmental health, uh, we have water quality, air quality, sanitation and safety, and food protection.

Our maternal child adolescents, but that is our clinical services division.

So this team really is comprised of our immunization work that we do.

We have a travel clinic as well.

One thing that we've done is a lesson learned from COVID is that we're trying to make our services more accessible so people don't have to come to our brick and mortars.

We have an outreach team that goes around to senior centers and places like that just to make services more available to them.

Um and then chronic disease, injury prevention, that's the team that Whitney's part of that's our.

We have data based on different areas of Salt Lake County, so we do have areas where we are below her immunity.

Measles is extremely contagious, so out of 100 people, 95 to have that immunization, or would have had to have had it to not get it if somebody in that room had it.

So it's important to get that information out.

Um the safety of MMRs, but I think because of COVID, I mean, people just don't want to be told we have immunizations.

Um so we do track that, and we've provided a lot of information to schools, um, knowing that if somebody decides they don't want to get it, they will be excluded if there is an outbreak in a school for their safety, obviously, uh, because they would be more inclined to get it.

And then so our last bureau is our community health bureau.

But we're looking at our capabilities, partnerships are huge for us.

We can't do all the work.

So we need to be working with our partners so that we're not trying to do it all.

Policy development, that's a lot of our regulations, and that's where our board health really gives us a good perspective on things that we should be addressing.

Things we see in the community.

Um when I started million years ago, we had huge waste tire piles in Salt Lake County.

We didn't have them out here because they were on the west side.

Yeah, they were huge, millions.

And so with that knowledge, we worked with the state and other local health departments to develop the waste fire legislation that you may not like it, the charge put a fee on the um on new tires.

But what that has resulted in is we don't have tire files anymore.

And so we're watching when we're in the community, things that are problematic and looking at what other states are doing, other communities, so that we're keeping up with things rather than responding to problems.

Um communications is important, it's probably the most challenging thing because you're communicating what we do, how we do it.

Um, but we I know Nick has joined us.

Nick Ruff is our public information officer, he runs our information office, and he works with all the PIOs throughout the county, and organizational competencies, making sure that our staff are top of the line, and I would say they definitely are, and then emergency preparedness and response, and that's important.

So preparing for the next emergency cross paths with some of you in the room during the boil order.

That's a lot of um that's a lot of what falls into this.

So we have plants, we're not running around, you know.

What do we do?

We have so getting into like when we're seeing problems, and um, I also worked in as I said, water quality, and just looking at when you're seeing problems in our community, you're all eyes for us too.

And as we work with your code enforcement officers and your police department, they're seeing a lot of these things in out and about in the community and just making sure they have they know what they can report to us and how we can help them.

So storm drains, big thing.

This is not a good thing.

Um, people should never be discharging stuff into our storm drains because storm drain water, unlike in some cities, goes just immediately into our waterways.

It's not treated, which I think some people you move from another area, you may think that it goes for the facility.

We don't, it's really expensive, so we try to educate um businesses that that is not a place that you should be discharged with things.

These are obviously allowable discharges, so sprinklers, uh, pool water that's been declinated, so even if you have your hot tub, you should neutralize it before you're putting it out into the storm drain.

Putting it on your grass is probably the best thing to do, which I do.

So I should mention too chemical spills.

We go out on all of the chemical stores.

So we're out whenever there's any kind of an accident that involves a release of a chemical, we go out 24-7.

So we're always going out to make sure that waterways are protected.

Uh the environmental piece is protecting.

So housing standards, this is where this obviously is a picture of our quarter, um quarters home, and we respond to meth contamination, so we work closely with with police departments.

So if a structure is closed because of meth contamination, we are closing the home to occupancy, or if they're responding to somebody that has been cooking or using meth in a home.

And the reason behind is we want to make sure that if that home becomes vacated, or if these people go back to living there, they're not exposed to meth.

Um, and that's unfortunately a program that has evolved over time.

You know, meth didn't used to even be on our radar now, is something that we work a lot in.

We also respond to complaints, lack of heat, electricity, water, hot water, all of those things, making sure that people have housing that is safe.

Uh pest infestations, road cockroach, we do all of that, bed bugs, we have tons of information on that.

Mosquito garbage.

Um I hope everybody knows that we've had West Now virus case in our community.

Hopefully, you saw that information, so make sure that you are wearing your repellent.

And what's in the most recent case that we had our type in satellitis?

Oh, it doesn't go mosquito pools as of today, and I'll be announced tomorrow.

Yeah, so you'll see it in the news.

You're getting a lot of people.

What area was that?

There actually have multiple pools for Alkin County, and this is the first time that we've seen it in northern Utah since we've been tracking since 2003.

And in Draper.

Uh sorry.

To wear, yeah.

I mean, I'm working at the health program is like probably the minus everything.

Um, but important to be mindful of that, especially children, right?

Making sure that they're wearing their repellent.

So we respond to these kinds of things if there's no toilet accessible.

That's obviously a mental illness.

It's a sad situation.

We'll close homes to occupancy at times.

We try to work with families to make sure if there's resources, they can be connected to them.

And then wood burning on air action day.

We can't respond to lack of air conditioning, mold, which is surprising to many people.

We don't respond to that.

And then evictions and lease terminations.

We don't get it to the thick of that.

Huge focus for us.

I know you're not going to get out, sorry.

This is yeah, not something you want to see.

But we a lot of our focus is educating businesses, right?

Making sure they understand the ramifications of things that they may think are okay.

So we go out, we perform inspections, we identify problems, but it's not just to say you're doing this wrong, it's provide more education about the why.

Um people coming from different cultures oftentimes don't understand why we're asking people to do the things that we ask, and we have culturally appropriate communications trying to make sure that restaurant owners, um, purveyors know that there are the issues that can cause.

We right we educate all of these businesses.

So if you're body art, tattoo, nail salons, massage, tanning, uh swimming pools, food safety obviously has just blown up with all of the food carts that are out there and food trucks and mass gathering events, so it keeps our staff really busy.

I would say our food protection bureau is among the best or the best in the state.

Um they're highly educated, they're great at communicating, and we do a lot to protect people from when they go to those events not getting sick.

And we can't respond because UDAP does, so Utah Department of Agriculture responds and works on food manufacturing grocery stores, and then medical offices are the Department of Health Services.

Um debris, so we do work on this program.

Um we work with cities closely to not um to work with the occupants if somebody is illegally camping on a property, we go in and we'll notice them that they're not allowed to be in those spaces, and then work with the cities and we'll notice them that we're going to clean it up.

Um there's problems with when we started this program, there would have been encampments that have been in place along the Jordan River for years, and they it was really concerning the health of those areas for the inhabitants as well, right?

So we unfortunately this problem doesn't seem to be getting better.

Um Salt Lake City has obviously the preponderance of these encampments, but I've heard that because they're doing a lot more to take the encampments out of Salt Lake City that they're pushing them further south.

So if you see these areas, these things um developing in your community, certainly reach out to us and we can work with you on you know best practices that we've learned over the years of doing this.

So how do you handle that?

How do you move on?

So we go in, we'll notice them, letting them know we're coming back to clean and remove them from the area.

Identifying social programs will oftentimes go in with other agencies that provide social programs, trying to connect them to resources, making them aware of beds that may or may not be available.

Um and then we work with the cities who have contractors.

We used to actually go in and clean up.

So we had our staff out there cleaning up these, which you know, it was it was not sustainable.

So now we work with the cities who have like Salt Lake City has a contractor that comes in and just cleans it all up.

Tons.

What was it last year?

Was it 1,500 tons of waste was brought to 1430?

See, yeah, he doesn't memory like there's no idea.

So it's a lot of waste.

Wow.

It's a lot of things.

Do they generally do they generally leave when you say hey we're gonna be back to clean it?

Yeah, we've not I think there might be times that they have to be encouraged by police officers.

So we have police officers with us.

I mean, there was a time when we were really um getting attacked by the people who are um proponents of people who are experiencing homelessness.

Um it was it was pretty uh we have one of our employees wearing a bulletproof vest.

It was kind of crazy, but it seems to have de-escalated, which is good.

I mean, that's that's kind of crazy.

So we we really do build relationships.

The woman who's over that program knows a lot of the homeless people.

Um so it's really just trying to be the ambassador of you know the why behind what we're doing.

We're not trying to harass them, we're not trying to upset them.

We're just trying to make sure that where they are is clean so they're not getting sick on things that they're reading in their areas.

Um serious rebar enforced encampment there.

Yeah.

This is so we don't need the next slide, but um, we don't respond to general litter um in debris that's not a threat to public health.

We do respond to noise, and this is an interesting thing.

This can be interesting.

Um we have certain we have a noise regulation that sets certain standards for um decibel levels between you know during the day and then at night.

If there's construction activities, which there's lots going on in the valley during the summer, um, they were they have to pull a temporary noise permit from us, and then large equipment, dumpster pickups, your garbage pickup, they should never be picking up before seven o'clock at night.

No, no.

And I remember that, so I'm like there might garbage hand.

But that's that's why.

And noise does affect people's health.

You're not getting good sleep because there's noise.

Um that has been shown to cause um bad outcomes for people.

And so that's why we have a noise ordinance.

We don't respond, that's the fun of the police department responding to loud parties, fireworks, and then loud motor vehicles.

There were noise ordinances in Salt Lake City and Sandy on cars at one point, um, but they're no longer on the books for us.

I think so.

I think the police department still reports that to a screen.

And then, you know, our foundational public health programs, immunizations, uh nutritional assistance, WIC is a great service, so making sure your residents are aware.

We have a great resource card that we'll share with you.

Home visiting for lower income.

Um, so families that have that are in certain income brackets.

We actually have that traditional public health nurse that's actually going after the home, helping these um families be successful in terms of nutrition, knowing what resources are available.

It's amazing they've shown our nurse family partnership program and our parents as teachers.

They're both evidence-based programs, and they show that the investment dollar-wise has enormous savings in terms of the outcomes of the families, and then we provide vital records.

So we have birth and death certificates, and we are not we're population-based, we're not individual care based.

So we we do not have clinicians that will come for normal updates, you know, for their clinical needs.

As I stated before, this is I think an important piece for our department.

We can't do any of our work if we don't have that connection to our communities to know communities are different, so we can't we can't have one size fits all.

So as we're providing services in education, we have to understand what resonates in communities.

We have 18 community coalitions, we monitor the health of the community via data.

We have a great dashboard that you can drill down to your specific city, so you can look at the outcomes of braver residents compared to other um other cities in Salt Lake County and even compared to Utah as a whole, and then nationally.

It's a great way, and that's what a lot of the coalitions will do.

They'll look at that data to understand what are the priorities, what are things we should be working on because the data is showing that our outcomes aren't in par with others.

So this being a great example.

So adults with cancer, you're doing great.

And cervical cancer screening.

So you look awesome.

So that's great.

And then this is Nick will pass this out, but it's a QR code that lists kind of like two one, but it's also navigating our department is a division within human services.

So I've as I've given this presentation, I've had questions about senior centers, um, rec departments, those kinds of things.

If you have Salt Lake County facilities, just know that if you need to navigate, find services for your citizens and you don't know how to who to call, you can call me and I can try to connect to the right person.

Um at one of my presentations, they had a question about senior centers, and I was able to connect them to the right person.

It's hard to navigate all of the different um resources that are out there.

So we're fair to help as well.

That's it.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you for your time.

I know you guys have a busy agenda, but yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

We appreciated your response on the on our water issue we have that we thought communicating with government and good.

It was a good experience.

I'm glad if there's things that we could do better, just let us know.

Thank you.

I'm gonna pull one thing out of order, Chief Ferguson.

You're up next.

It's good to be with you tonight.

Um I'm here to revisit something that we talked about in 2023.

Everybody except um friends on the council at that time.

We talked about quot camera systems.

It's our licensed paint readers to LPRs that are positioned at fixed locations throughout our city.

We we currently do not have them anywhere in Draper.

Um everywhere from August to Nephi has LPR readers.

Um Draper's just kind of this black hole.

And this comes to my attention or comes to me to bring to you right now because we've had some several cases, significant uh cases to draper that have been solved with other people's other agencies, LPRs recently.

Um one of them uh was our uh recently we had eight smashing graph uh burglaries, mostly dental offices on 123rd and other offices that were here on 123rd.

We came up with a suspect description on those from one of the cameras inside.

So we had a picture of a guy, we don't know who he is, and then we have a witness that on another one saw a vehicle leaving and matched the description.

We put it in an LPR and we get hit out of South Salt Lake on this vehicle.

Our detectives go up to South Salt Lake, they're looking in the area where the hit comes from.

They don't find it, but on the ground in this lot is a cell phone, they pick it up, it's a cell phone out of a dentist's office here in Draper.

So now we know we're on to the right guy.

The next day the LPR hits again in South Salt Lake.

Our detectives go up, see the picture of our suspect, there's the guy, make the arrest, he confesses to all of them, plus 13 that happened in Sandy.

LPR worked really well for that.

The other one was um Corner Canyon High School last school year.

We had a man with a gun call come in in the parking lot.

I approached the student, had a weapon, um, had some drugs, uh student went inside, said all I know is that it's a blue car.

Student was an exchange student too, so there's a little bit of a language gap there.

It was a blue car and it had a sticker that was red with some orange on it or something.

That's all we need.

We put that in the LPR, but by the time we got that data in, suspect had already made it up to the U of U, and the U of U LPR hits this car, we get a positive confirmation, it's our suspect, we are able to make an arrest on them.

Um we've had several things that have happened recently where we could have used LPR and we could have made some pretty quick um discoveries of who our suspects are.

The Potato Hill fire came in, that there were kids shooting off bottle rockets.

We had a description of a vehicle.

But we don't have any LPR in our city, so we had nothing to go on on that.

I guarantee you I think if we'd have had one at the top of the hill or at the bottom on Highland or right down here on Bangar, we'd have probably got hit on that car, and we could have maybe found out who these these people are.

Another one, we had a 10-year-old suicidal girl uh up off of uh Suncrest area.

Um we didn't have a vehicle to go on at that time, but if we would have had something, it it turned into we had a we had resolved that thank goodness.

Um but as a chief it scared me to death because I thought I had an abduction.

We found the contents of her bicycle and backpack in the field, which looked like an abduction.

So we were canvassing every single house, ring cameras, everything for any car that grabbed this kid.

And that's another case that was a chief.

I would have liked to add that that force multiplier for our department.

Um I don't really I don't have I didn't bring any slides other than just to tell you we're a black hole.

There is nothing here in Draper.

It's not a cheap venture to get into.

Um but by comparison I can tell you this.

In one month, in the last month, there have been in the Salt Lake Valley, there have been a hundred and thirty thousand L VR hits.

And an L VR hit is on the back of the vehicle, so it can be anything from an expired registration to an NCIC hit out of Los Angeles for a homicide suspect.

It it ranges with people of warrants or wanted subjects or people who are being looked at for investigative purposes.

But in just one month in this valley, it's 130,000 hits.

By my math, um, with 500 acres square within Salt Lake Valley or Square Miles, 30 of them here in Draper.

We could have probably had about 8,000 just in Draper alone.

Um these are hits that are going off all the time there telling us who's coming in and out of our city.

Um so I'm coming to you tonight to kind of re uh repitch this to the council that that we consider um putting LPR cameras at fixed locations within our city.

My biggest nightmare is to have an Elizabeth Smarter and a fashion.

And one of our fixed goals within the police department is to use technology to support law enforcement and support um public safety.

Everybody knows about LPR.

I don't know personally what I would tell a citizen, and I'm not using a scare tactic because it's just a very realistic thing that's in my mind all the time.

How would I tell them I'm sorry I don't have them here?

But I put it into the database, and I'm hoping that another city will give us that technology.

Um so I think I'd be remiss as your chief if I didn't come forward and declare this again that this is something I think we should be strongly considering for our city.

Um we have designated, and I won't talk about it in this meeting, but we have designated 14 locations within our city that we believe would be very strongholds for us if we did have an abduction, if we did have a robbery and uh just occurred, yeah, shooting drive by another potato hill, whatever it may be, that we could enter this data in immediately, and that we could probably get a hit on a vehicle within a few minutes, and then we'll need some kind of a stop and arrest an identification.

Again, so you know this is not facial recognition.

This has nothing to do with Fourth Amendment privacy issues.

This is stuff that's on the back of the car, only it only captures the back of the vehicle and goes by, but it is so precise that I only need like one number and a blue car.

There's a there's an L in the license plate, it's a blue truck, that's all I saw.

We put that in, and it's gonna immediately give us some data if it goes by one of our designated chokeholds.

Um you think you need about 14?

We've come up with 14.

That because you know, we're trying to be responsible.

I mean, if you go to Ogden, they're on every block.

There's not a block in Auburn that's not some of the other cities, yeah, that many, but I think 14 again.

I don't know how to talk about our locations in this meeting, but what's the what's the cost?

Yeah, but first year, um, because we will not own the equipment.

Technology's evolving so rapidly.

I don't know if it'd be to our advantage to own this equipment.

Um first year is uh 45,780, and ongoing is 39,000.

So it's a two-year contract that I'd be entering into for 85,000 or roughly 86,000.

I was expecting to be more than that, to be honest.

Does that include the install and everything?

Yes.

Yeah, that includes the equipment they keep the it's not our equipment, it's it's the company called Glocks Equipment.

Some equipment I think is to our advantage to own.

I don't personally believe it's to our advantage, Jake made counters.

Are these still LIV portable units that you see with the blue light?

Is that what you know?

These are um they're on fixed location polls that are out there, and and if you start looking, you might see them.

They're solar.

Um directional, they're they're dialed in on a specific area where there's a lot of traffic that generates a lot of hits.

Is the cost based on the number of cameras?

Yeah, okay.

That's per camera.

Do they handle the maintenance and replacement and they handle the maintenance, they handle the replacement.

If I choose to move one, they'll go out and move it for us.

Um you're really only accessing this data if a crime had taken place.

Yeah.

That's the only time that's the only time.

And if you remember their presentation, I believe they purge it after a couple of days.

They they don't hold on to this information for a long time unless they get a hit or an inquiry from law enforcement agency, and then they'll trap that and they'll it gets highlighted.

So did they handle the hosting and housing of the data and everything?

Yeah.

So that price includes all of the only surveillance public streets, anyways, right?

Oh, right.

You don't have a right to privacy there anyways.

Okay.

And then we could help other entities and we have values like that.

Absolutely.

They're helping us right now.

What communities have it and don't have it?

Is that appropriate to still go down the highland right now and at the bottom of the hill?

If you go across the pre-way, river to Bluffville, anywhere, South Jordan, Sandy, every single artery going out of our city into Sandy has to be.

We've got to find a way to fund this.

So would you use it for expired registration?

I mean, what are you going to go with?

No, no.

We wouldn't.

Um it's gonna come up a revoked registration.

Somebody who's had their car that shouldn't, which should be, you know, something like that.

But no, we we don't we're not planning to use it for that.

It's a it's an investigative tool.

And that's all it is.

We don't have time to go out and sit on one and then wait for we have to actually enter in the request for it to come back to us.

Remember a couple years ago, there was a kid that killed his family down Spanish port.

Um they they knew that he took the family car, they put it in block, and they caught him in in Colorado.

So they they literally got the hit, and a trooper was right on top of them.

And so it tells you right where it's at at real time.

And that's how we got our guy on this ring of burglaries that we have here.

I think it's money well spent the long arm of the law for a pretty decent price.

Yeah, I think they have a hard tell you.

I hate to say in the olden days, but I can now with the coordinate.

In the old days, when we had something like this, we put out what was called a 10200 and it went out statewide, and we had 10 200 locations where every officer had to respond to sit and watch for a blue van.

Well, you know, every if when that happens, five blue vans will buy you at once, and you're chasing after them, and you don't know which one it is, but if it's uh it's a blue van with a Boston Red Sox sticker in the back and L in the license plate that tells you which one it is.

So you're saying get out of the days of Mayberry and saying that.

I'm saying I love technology, I don't quite comprehend it all the way up, Jake, but I do appreciate it, and it is a force multiplier for us.

And I believe it'll make our city safer.

Do we need a resolution that adopts this and then our budget amendment?

Or I think what we'll do is come over in the finding source, Mike, and we'll come back.

Are three of you at least interested?

I am.

I am like all of you are so we'll come back to the budget amendments we're shooting.

Just so you know, um with the shooting up north we're helping out.

So what a terrible tragedy.

Bad deal.

Yeah.

Just so we all know Pat Evans, Captain Evans is our COP, he's a COV rep, so part of his job is in that private organization is to help families who lose their loved one in law enforcement service.

They've asked for Pat to be able to help with the funerals and make sure the families are taken care of and that's good.

Mike and I uh hopefully gonna be able to problem.

We're gonna task Pat to it.

Um he's very good at it, and you know they need it.

They don't have the resources there, but a lot of us cities have it, they certainly have the tragedy.

So unfortunately has had experience with it.

Unfortunately, but Pat's very good at it, and they've asked him to help, and so I contacted the mayor and told him he'll be there to help you.

So I don't know.

Anyway, well we're home with the sun circuit.

All right, thank you, Chief.

Next, should we go back in order?

Yeah.

Jennifer, you're up next to this people.

Jennifer's back again.

Uh up there's a phone, yeah.

Jenford's back with our favorite topic.

Stationer plans.

Will you click just the X to on that pop up?

Yeah.

Don't do the install shut up.

Okay.

Um in September you guys are gonna see the stationary plan document for our remaining stations.

Kimball, press it, and Vista.

Um we've got some renderings and kind of the uh overall layout.

I want to show you guys get some feedback as we're fine-tuning the the final document here.

Um start with Kimball's.

Um, we did one uh rendering for each station, um, versus multiple like we did with town center just because it is so spread out between the different stations.

Um the rendering we did for Kimball's focuses on the UTA site um versus the uh Olivari farm and uh Edge Homes property.

I do want to say our the concept we've come up with for that edge property, this is not their concept, they're still working on their concept plan.

This does include um the same amount of density that they bought and approved through the development agreement, as well as the same kinds of building heights they're looking at.

So we've tried to incorporate those elements while also including um the things that we we think are important, the trail along the canal, street connections, pedestrian connections, that kind of thing.

Jennifer, can I ask a question too?

Isn't it possible that little triangular piece on 119th sound just east of the plan?

Isn't that maybe kind of gonna maybe be included in this?

Possibly um you'll see a rezone requests um come before you soon on that piece.

Edge has uh purchase contract with this property owner um to purchase it, so they're gonna rezone it the same as they've rezoned the rest of the property.

Um because during the planning process, that wasn't part of their property.

We haven't included it.

So are you you have a trail delineated along the eastern now?

Yeah, I'd say yeah.

And what does it connect into on the bottom?

Um right now it'd be um the public road of 119 south.

The idea would eventually have you still want to prolong the conversation.

Uh the UTA property is looking at uh mixed use building on the UTA property.

Um this is again looking at the UTA property.

We have uh the three-story condos you can see in the background there of what edge may build.

We didn't want to show too much, you know, detail their their functioning or their product.

Um this would be a three-story mixed use building on UTA project comments or changes you guys would like to see on the rendering.

Okay, you want to move on?

Silence is the same.

Okay, uh Crescent View.

Um, so Crescent U station is a station on the north side of our 14th in Sandy.

Um, so half that radius is with our state.

We need to account for that.

Sandy has already done their station area plan that looks at uh development next to the station.

Um for the city side, the majority of the property is already developed, so we really just kind of looked at potential infill on the Harman's property.

Um the majority of the public comments we received during the open house was just concern of you know losing a favorite restaurant or or Parmans itself, that kind of thing.

So we did want to look at just how do we get some infill, but also you know, keep parmans keep keep some of the uses that are there.

So this is again looking at a three-story um mixed use building where we can still have retail along the ground floor, um, but then also introduce some housing.

The plan does call for some stepbacks in the back where on the west side of the project where it's adjacent to residential neighborhood.

That's interesting.

So that's residential and the second, third floors.

Yes.

You wouldn't have to walk into that.

No, you want you to walk over there.

How are we expanding the road?

I mean, I know it's a UT, a U dot road, right?

700 east.

Yeah, so the uh crescent view station, uh this is applicable for the Kimballs Lightning station as well.

Like there's a lot of concern around added traffic onto 700.

Yes.

I think Tasha's quite concerning on Kimball.

Yeah, yeah.

I think it's kind of impact both areas.

Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, Kimball's Lane is a more concerned.

I mean, it is the U dot road, and I don't know if you know what their plans are, but from my understanding, it's a to eventually kind of continue what they have on the north and sandy down.

I think that was their intention, but they did that portion and the portion just south, like pioneered to 123rd.

At the time they told me they had no interest in white except because the canal would have to be um covered for that long portion, but things may have changed.

That was over 10 years ago.

Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine it.

No, I can't imagine not changing it at all.

Right.

But as far as long-term planning, I have not heard anything from U dot regarding that.

Yeah.

Unfortunately with them being U Dot roads, we're a little fight on what we can do.

The stationary plan does kind of talk about uh trying to get uh better travel connections, way binding signs, things like that, bike lining with that.

How do we submit a transit area plan that then has a U dot roads that will be take play in it without having some U dot invest in that you have to.

Yeah.

Um That that's seems really crazy.

Yeah, and the and the things that would impact U dot roads, it's you know, if it's looking at potential improvements on the road, it's it's working with U DOT it's potentially doing studies, things like that.

Mayor, has there been a discussion on any of that that you've heard about with how U DOT Um Our representative to ask is working there there's there's some stuff being brewed to talk about ways to get infrastructure so it can handle what we're actually the development can happen because a lot of this, although we're planning it, can't really happen because they don't have the infrastructure.

Right.

So we we get freaked out about it, but until the infrastructure comes in, there's not a way to do it.

So yeah, they're talking about there's a few ideas of what I you know they're moving along, but and back to the Kimball, um UDOT is gonna widen seven feet.

Do we have enough of a setback for that?

Um we can double check that.

I believe so because um LG Place kept that uh width, so it looks like we probably do, but we can double check that.

And what about expanding Kimballs?

How are we gonna do that?

And then having to go straight up to 70s, of course.

Yeah, so the uh stationary plan talks about uh looking into and studying straightening Kimballs out to seven.

Um is that possible?

It's feasible.

There's definitely some challenges um and it's something we would need to look out.

It would be so much.

Yeah, I think if that if that does happen, I think UTA would would not allow any kind of crossing here.

Right.

Well, sure you shut down.

Um there's some alignment issues, it does solve a lot of safety.

With the tracks crossing and everything, it's really dangerous right there.

Yeah, so the stationary plan calls for that to be looked into and studied as a via option.

Can we highlight that and say we highly recommend that connection?

Yeah.

Okay.

Um I'm sorry, I gotta ask another just clarifying question.

So are you saying, Mayor, what you say if the infrastructure is is not built to support this plan, it's gonna be difficult for the plan to move forward until that inf infrastructure's built.

Well, they can not I don't know if that's necessarily the case on this stretch of road.

But but on there's a lot of spots where that's the case, like there's you know, infrastructure issues, but the stationary planning is just planning, it's not it's not getting into those weeds.

That's not our job.

Not in stone.

Yeah.

It's just to have a plan that we can you know, it's essentially the goal of the stationary plan is to get the density in everybody's mind.

That this can be up to this much in density, how it fits together, that's all yet to be determined, but that's the point of the stationary plan.

Yeah, so they do include uh implementation plan at the end that looks at you know, in a uh five-year period of what what can be done to help further this, you know, updating our zoning to allow for the development, uh doing the study on straightening out Campbell's things, things like that, uh improving away finding signed package for quarter rock well, working with the UTA to modify crossings, things like that.

The the cities and the entities can and partners can work towards to make a development.

And for the study, was that things that the city would do, or we would ask U dot.

I'm not sure at this point.

So it could be something we do, it'd probably be a joint project.

We have two roads that are U dot roads that are going to be highly impacted by these stationary things.

123 and 700 east.

And so it's just a major concern for me that we're not going to be able to fix those roads ourselves, but we're putting a huge amount of traffic on those roads.

Yep, I understand that.

But see, that's the point that I'm trying to ask is if if those can't be in the support that plan, it shouldn't be able to do it.

It shouldn't be able to be able to move forward until that's put in place.

Right, but we don't control the road, so we're a little bit handcuffed.

But if we have the traffic study in there, the traffic.

Yeah, it's okay.

Uh the last one, uh Vista.

Uh because the zoning of the station is already approved all the density and building height.

Um, the stationary plan really kind of focuses on placemaking and how to as infill takes place, how do you make it more of a neighborhood?

Um, how the how do you get people there?

The plan uh looks at kind of creating a uh center kind of walkway um with commercial uses with the infill, but also looks at trying to get crossing over the station so those on the east side of the rail line can actually access the front runner station.

That's a big issue in this area because we've got a lot of homes in industry on the side that just physically can't get from the station to their work.

Um then so we've so the rendering looks at kind of that central kind of walkway, so you can see one of the existing buildings, you can see a bridge going over the rail line here in the back, and then you can see these new buildings and pedestrian line.

Okay.

Any comments I don't have a concern about the Vista one.

Yeah, personally, I think I've been using this station a lot lately.

My rantings from various legislators.

About the hikes, and not being utilized, about yeah.

I mean, I think this area could be so much more than it is right now.

It's yeah, kind of a sad area right now, and the streets are like parking lots for trailers with trash along the roadway.

It could be really cool.

Yeah, really, okay.

Yeah, I agree.

But keep in mind, Jen highlight the school distance torture.

Uh you're talking about this.

The entire parcel is now non-tax paying publicly owned piece of rock.

Never envisioned it ever when we did it way back in the day.

So it's a hole in the in the tax assessed value.

But keep in mind this 110 acres inside the Vista station was its tax assessed value prior to it was like under six million.

It's like where's John's almost 800 million right now?

It's implemented.

It's it's proof that it works.

Um but you know, the the single biggest person or biggest tax entity that gets the money in the increment is the school district, so it's uh they just cut the very interesting uh yeah, no space spot.

Cutting off, if you will.

Yeah, which I don't think they can I don't think they connected the dots on that, did they tell after the I'm not sure if they did.

I think they did some dot connecting, but not full dot connection.

I don't know.

So that changed immensely because that couldn't be that info could have been all the stuff you're thinking about, but and and who knows they may not keep the parking lot, they may not keep the you know the entire if they sell it off it then becomes they could lease it, they could use it.

There's a lot of questions around it, yeah.

You know, what they've indicated is the tech center with the existing buildings and then an elementary school and what they do with the rest items.

Yeah.

So are they moving the elementary school from somewhere else?

I don't know.

I don't think the elementary schools are the initial basis of it.

From what I understand.

The only residential in this entire site is that I read Yes.

Uh I love right now.

Yeah, uh building school.

Well, we're supposed to get a new elementary somewhere on this west side, right?

Was it supposed to be by Johnson Farm?

Oh, basically.

So is this now that?

That or something in a building on the point.

Yeah, I haven't heard I heard it was put in point.

I have a lot of people.

Okay.

Yeah.

I haven't heard of an elementary school going here.

And the things I've heard with innovations are.

It would be good to connect across the railway because Swire, I've talked to them a number of times.

We did a lot of employees that would ride life front runner to work.

But it's right now it's super problematic.

We can't get to work.

And this front runner double tracks, which is coming.

It's going to make front runner 15 minutes service most of the day.

It'll become super viable for people to get around, loose up and down the spine.

So that would be a huge investment to make across into their area.

How soon is that double track gonna be operating, do you think?

I think it I think they're starting they've started on some of it already.

Um the bulk of it's gonna be next year in the well, we'll be back in September with the overall plan for you guys.

Thanks, Dan.

Thank you for getting us under the timetable and the deadlines and the penalty phase, if you will.

So then that takes us to Robert.

You might never call a cop in your life in the city, but you're gonna expect the garbage guys to be there.

Okay.

Yeah, that's right.

Right, Robert?

Yes.

You may never be rich once.

You might live here your whole life, but if that garbage truck does not show up, you are pissed.

This is true.

You are saying this.

I don't know, that was for getting me.

So about four four months ago, we came to you guys with our issues associated with risk and liability safety on solidway services on private streets.

Uh we presented all the reasoning why.

And um, this is just a refresher of that same presentation.

Pink are already private streets.

Um or just a private state that are serviced by caller.

Oh, private blue and green are streets that we currently pick off on that either have to be backed into or there is a way to get through it.

But we determined you guys directed us to go out for an RFP to just do all the private streets.

Unfortunately, we only got one response back.

Um it was from ACE.

So currently our rates for basic service, you get a 96-gallon garbage can and a 96-gallon recycling can for $15 a month.

That's been the same fee since 2009.

There's problems associated with that, we need to raise it moving forward, especially now with transportation opening, it's a much higher tipping rate.

Um, and then additional containers, $10 a month for garbage, $250 a month for recycling, which in the past this ends up costing more than this because recycling doesn't really generate value anymore.

So that's really outdated, also been the same since 2009.

Ace came in, they gave us the basic service of you know the two cans.

Well, $22 more a month.

Um then additional cans at $11 each.

So the ACE would build these people on their own.

They would no expect us to build them still.

This would be $25 more a month if they had to do the bill.

And the problems associated with it is a lot of these don't have HOAs or even approved easements, so they have no way to go after these people if they don't pay.

This is gonna ask you to speculate, but we haven't raised our rate since 2009.

What do you have an idea in your head of what a market rate would be right now?

Um we know our costs $37.

Um, and I'll break down that $37.

No, more than like we would initiate a smaller thing, but then the landfill has adopted over the next several years.

We have to be aggressive because the hauling costs with these big trucks to bring from the transfer stations.

We close the landfill in 10 years, maybe.

We have to build another transport station and then we'll be hauling all the way to Bay View, which is on the southwest side of Utah.

So you're talking significant hauling fees.

But we're still way cheaper than anywhere on out the elements in the country.

So those private lanes that are already being serviced by an outside service, is that ace that's doing that?

Some of them are A's, some of them are republic, some of them are waste management.

So it's all individual, those individual lanes you're contracting with someone.

So when they came in, they chose to just go private, or we denied it based on access limitations.

But most of those they started at the private hauler before we switched to our services.

If we go 37 a month and we're doing the building, we gotta add another buck or something to cover the cost of building.

Probably for that, or we build it in for the overall fee.

Sorry.

We pay that to you guys.

So their justification, and I went back and forth.

That's why it's taken so long to present this to you, is because that was like you guys can't come down at all.

Um up until yesterday, I was hoping they could just do people could opt in for just a $22 garbage can and not do recycling since it's not technically going to our landfill, it's not required to provide recycling.

But that would dramatically change the fees because if there were six people on a private lane and five of them chose not to do recycling, but there was one can, they're still going in there with all the risk.

Um they just get that one can, so it becomes even less an issue.

So the excessive amounts of backing in and the limited space require the use of a veteran driver and a spotter.

So that's their proposal.

They're gonna have a spotter that would actually get out, walk behind the truck, make sure they also have 360 degree cameras that they would utilize in their trucks.

Whether or not they really do that, I would follow them around and see if we got the spotter, I'd be like, your numbers are garbage.

But they feel that if you have a highly experienced veteran driver and spotter on route because the risk, the excessive backing is too much to do is job without it, and that's why we're getting out of it.

That's where majority of our accidents happen.

Um, it's only a matter of time before something really bad happens.

They don't even talk about it, but a lot of these streets are up in the Suncrest area that they don't use our plowing, so there's days where we just can't get in there solid ice, and then they're calling and screaming, yelling at you guys because we haven't picked them up.

That winter of 22, 23, it was so bad because there were times we couldn't get into their private lane for two or three weeks that I actually went up there in our pickup trucks and threw garbage cans in, gave them new garbage cans.

Like late into the evening.

Thank you.

Um, other issue is that you keep in mind you could say I think an option would be well, why don't we use a spotter?

We we can try that just so you guys understand turnover in this department is ridiculous.

Currently, I'm down not just vacant positions, but I just hired two new ones because we back built some positions.

They have to be trained.

I have one that's out for several months on FMLA.

One of the new drivers isn't gonna work out, so it's just constant.

So we're down four drivers this week.

They've been picking up trash until 7 30 every year.

So in theory, you can get them, and when they're all here, technically we might have too many people, but they all call in, they get an accident.

So it's just it's a problematic decision.

Um those are expenses.

I that is pretty significant, I understand that, but that's a decision you guys got there.

Well, what are the choice that we have?

I mean, we just keep it still assuming the liability.

Spend more money than that over time and maybe kill somebody.

How much of our liability do we really eliminate by contracting this out?

Because you even here they said it if they went without a spotter, it would be looked at as a major liability for the city.

We get a better rate if we contracted all of the waste for the city.

Uh yeah, probably.

Yeah, that's a good question, like what would it cost if how much could they lower that price?

We just stop running it ourselves.

I don't think there's passing the liability on to us.

They're saying we would have to have the spotter or it would be too much liability for them.

So it says for the city, that's what we're doing.

If we told them don't use a spotter.

Oh, let me see how to be our.

Well, we went to our own waste pickup open back in 2009.

Because you get you only have two big competitors, and they were raising the rates.

They were raising them fast and furious.

And they wouldn't deal.

Um certainly look at going back to it.

If you eliminate any discussion and consideration of risk and liability, we do provide better service, and uh we make money.

But I don't know if you guys recall the accident that happened two years ago where our truck would have its arm out and hit the back of the truck with the two ten thousand dollar bikes in it.

Well, I mean eighty thousand dollar truck with two ten thousand dollar bikes.

I mean five minutes earlier, they might have been putting those bikes in the back of the truck.

That's a totally different five minutes.

So the ones that are already privately done, they do the whole lane because they're not going to come for one.

So they somehow.

So in the map, um, they may be front load dumpsters like in apartment complexes or condominium complexes, but yeah, a lot of those.

Either that or they drive your cans of the public roads if we don't back down the road.

Yeah, what explore the comment on that option?

Yeah, so that was another thing we discussed that night, and I've discussed it with Ace, because I went back and forth with their pricing.

We came in at the end of May and I went for another month with Amy trying to see if they could lower it.

Um the problem with that is it's all based on a household count.

So if they don't really know, then the pricing goes up even now.

We give dumpsters to those people in the private lane, and then it's just a dumpster pickup.

If we're doing the roll-off, it's the same access issues, and then you'll have people that are dumping illegally.

I mean, we don't even do neighborhood roll-up programs very often anymore because we were almost getting fights last time we did it.

Some trust everybody is gonna pile it up.

Health health department concern.

Yeah, to what would you ask tonight, Robert?

Um to either consider moving forward with the private streets or we can discuss other options, like I said.

I mean, we can certainly look at trying to get a spotter.

Um we have to change our routes, you know, to separate those private rows because it would be all time to say we'd have to adjust our rates even more, yes.

ACE is looking for a decision, yes, because they've kind of been hanging and trying to figure out their stamping and their employees.

So like we're with we keep telling them just be patient, just be patient, but at some point they're either gonna say pound sand or we individually build these to those part of that utility bill.

It is part of the utility bill.

And we're already doing that billing, so there's really not a lot of excess cost in us doing that.

We'll have to do some reconciliations between ACE and ourselves.

And we will still deliver and pick up cans, they'll we'll own the cans.

How are we locked in on that pricing too to prevent any type of increase unreasonable increase?

Um the proposed contract was locked in for a year, and then everything would just be justifiable cost of increases if they had to raise the rates.

I think we associated it with CPI, so come to somewhere pricing, but I mean we really don't think they could go.

My view is the liability's not worth it, ought to pay the actual cost of it.

But private waste collection is expensive.

I mean we're we but on these private lanes, I I mean I think it's the cost of living on the private lane, right?

I mean, I live in an HOA, and my HOA pays for ACE to come pick up the garbage, and I pay $248 a month for my HOA dues that include whatever ACE charges us to come get my garbage once a week.

So um it's I I own that and and deal with that cost on a daily basis.

I don't have the city waste, so I'm fine with passing this on and getting the right protection for the city at this point.

It doesn't eliminate all of our liability, right?

It's still one of the most dangerous pushes in the country.

Um costs associated with it.

I don't know if we evaluated it, but with extra mechanics, extra space because that's a whole different discussion.

If you want to get out of the salt waste business, they could consider that right.

I mean that's the right.

Why don't we get a from them to see what it costs for the whole city?

I mean, why don't we not compare the time we inform it?

I mean we would have a while since we've done it.

We would have this though you want to move forward with this.

Yeah, but I mean I get what John's saying here, we can't keep right.

So I'm aware of this.

We would have to go out, we'd have to write a whole other RFP for the whole city.

We'd have to advertise now on it.

Look if you want to.

I can get it later on the whole city.

Give this now and then rebid the whole city and then have and tell them to adjust the rate on the private lanes.

Well, you may revisit city of what we're picking up now.

Not everybody else's private lane.

Not like your not coming on yours, or yes.

No, no, I don't think we have the right to do that, but every public we I think my HOA was a solid waste.

I think my H would fight to talk to you guys about that.

I think if we don't do it, we're just gonna be having this discussion again because it's not gonna work to try to hire a spotter and you just kick kick kicking the garbage can down the road.

Right.

But I don't know that we've resolved the problem with waste being a problematic department and continually losing people and not being able to hire people and getting people who aren't really prepared to do the job and your driver's gonna be a lot happier not backing down these private lanes.

Yeah, but in general, they're not that happy.

Well, they do exactly the same thing.

They seem friendly to me.

Ki can individual streets opt out of and and go with their own private find a find a provider who works for their street.

Um and the second question I go to is is the messaging, because this is a big yeah, this would be a big thing for a lot of people in the streets.

Specifically if I could point to some of I think it might be the difficult messages.

For instance, like traper heights, those are basically public rows.

There's no backing in issues, but you know, I can't see we decided as a whole.

Yeah, but right now the general funds subsidizing garbage collection.

We have a claim, it's coming out of the general prime to pay it.

So it's not fair.

I mean, yeah, it's a big jump, but it's the cost of life.

Yeah.

Still cheap.

37 bucks a month for your garbage you all off.

I don't know.

But I think to Martian Fred's point, we have to look at also the regular rate because if that's not what it should be, let's adjust them all at the same time.

And I can get um Fred Piltwell does the the trans jordan financial planning.

Are you guys good with or three of you at least good with going with this on ace on the rest from these five streets?

Yes.

Yeah.

See all of you.

Yeah.

Well it doesn't sound like there's much of a choice.

Yeah.

Okay.

I have one more quick one.

Is that next?

Yeah.

Robert, you're up to this will be very quick, hopefully.

So LTAP, which is um can't remember what's 10.

But it's through Utah State.

They provide training for, you know, specifically public works type stuff.

One item of training that they do provide is heavy equipment operator operations training.

Um in the past it's held been held out in Toila and some other more rural locations.

Well, cancelled and being allowed.

So LTAP reached out to cities and entities and was wondering if anyone was willing to maybe host these training.

So it's been very hard for our our crews to get heavy equipment operation training because they fill up so quickly so they're all because they're offered so few far between.

So I I reached out um and said, hey, one potential location would be the equestrian center.

Um what this is is a two-day hands-on training that covers vehicle safety maintenance, daily lock around inspection, pre-impost shift inspection and operating techniques.

It's provided in a safe environment so they can learn how to do this like on a job site.

And we would be offering front end loader, backhoe, skate steer or excavator training to uh oh, I want to go.

It would be a two-day course they're looking at start hopefully in April or May on my next year.

I can do it.

Um, what we would do is we would provide the equipment, we'd be present during both days of training, and we would restore the equestrian center after the trainings.

Our crews would restore it.

They're basically just practicing digging trenches, moving dirt you know, equipment stuff.

Might find some treasure.

Uh in exchange, the city would get two free spots in each training session, which is a thousand dollar value, and it's it's really helpful.

So we could get up to eight guys just preferred to be trained every year.

Um loud will it be?

Um, that's my biggest concern.

It would be during work hours.

It would be probably, you know, they'd show up at seven, they'd probably start using equipment at eight, they'd take a lunch break, they'd be done by three thirty.

It would be weekdays.

How dusty two-day training, right?

Two two days.

Two-day training.

Um water tank there.

And only be two days.

Two days per session.

They were hoping to do about four sessions a year, two or three in the spring, two or three at the two or three in the spring, two or three.

Does it tear up the equestrian center?

I know they get really mad about that.

So you can imagine it would basically be questioned center sand like this, and I can tell you the public works operators that would be there with helping the training.

They'll put it back together then after any of the other events we do, you know, where we mess with the ground.

If they damage gates and there's all sorts of like we've reviewed the liability waivers and all insurance stuff, I ran that through Tracy before it presented.

My only concern is those neighbors that already have to put up with the monster trucks and most of it would be a back home and won't be as well.

We're not like gonna be compacting or slamming your basics.

I mean, those neighbors really don't get much of a disturbance.

Yeah.

I agree.

This won't be like the monster truck.

Right.

Well we can have monster baby heavy equipment.

You know, one of those out here.

Typically, most of these public entities are trying to get trained.

They're not even looking to get trained on an excavator.

A track X vary.

It'll be back host voter and that's good steers.

I compliment you for looking into it.

Yeah.

I really do.

Good job.

Yeah, innovative way to get pretty much.

Are you all good with it?

Yeah.

All right.

Okay, we got a little bit less than 15 minutes.

Do you want to do council members?

Do you have something else?

No.

We nope.

Or we can take a break.

If you want to knock out, I think Red had two quick things.

Chocolate cake.

Was there a sheet cake in there?

That's what I said.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our uh city council meeting this evening.

I'd like to call our meeting to order.

Uh um, our next item on our agenda is a pledge of allegiance going to be led this evening by our finance director, Mr.

John Vyke.

Go ahead, sir.

Uh individual with liberty and justice for all thank you, Mr.

Vike.

That takes us to item number three, um, which is a cause for some of our attendance this evening.

This is uh an opportunity for us to um have our youth council members um take our our their oath of office for their service on the Draper City Youth Council.

And I might add that uh this is the largest youth council in the state.

Um our council has generously provided an opportunity for as many draper kids as would like to participate in this program the funds to be able to do it.

So um I'm very happy our I'm very proud of our council for recognizing an opportunity for service.

We also uh appreciate these young people because in their capacity as members of our youth council, they do provide valuable service to our community and they help us put on almost all of our events, if not all of them, and we couldn't do some of our events without them.

So we are very grateful for these young people.

We hope in this program they learn.

My goal when with them is that they walk out of here knowing more about government than most Americans, which isn't hard to do.

Um, but it's just a little edge, a little foot up, knowing exactly how the government's supposed to work.

And I think these kids they learn that and they they have a great time and they really help our community.

So I'm gonna I'm gonna how are we doing this?

Carolyn, are you gonna conduct this?

How are we doing the oath?

Nicole, okay.

All right, youth council members who are swearing in.

Would you like to come up here to the front of the well of the dias here?

Come on up.

Just file in just keep coming, keep coming, guys.

All the way.

Nope, right here.

There's too many of you to put on the wall.

I always enjoy the events we go to every year with the youth council.

My competitive nature comes out because I get to brag about the most kids, and it is awesome because we take up like a four or five or six tables of young people at the at the various events, and so it's exciting.

Keep coming in, make a second row.

Keep coming.

Look at all these young people that want to participate and help their community.

Fantastic.

Right, Nicole, take it away if we've got them all.

Everybody get the photos they want.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, you guys are dismissed.

I will.

I will.

Yeah, I was gonna wait till they were out of the way.

I had a method.

From the left home left.

Thanks, guys.

So, in order to uh in order to put this youth council program on, we have Carolyn who does a fantastic job with the assistance of her husband that works as a paid staff member, but we also have an executive committee, and I'd like them to stand and come up for a minute if they would.

Without these folks, it would not work.

So we have our executive committee, Bella Page, Aaron Babcock, Maureen Crosby, April Jensen, Taft Derby, Jack Roma Santa, Parker Vandegraaff, Kennedy Nelson, and Peyton John Johnson.

These young people, um they work to help this program go, so give them a hand if you would.

Let's get a picture with them.

All right, thank you.

Thank you guys.

Good job.

It's a fine group of young people, and they're they're fantastic, and it's great to have so many.

Um lot us a lot of places don't have as many as we do, and we're just fortunate to have so many kids that are interested.

Next up, item number four.

Um turning the time over to Chief Ferguson with some uh master officer awards or promotions.

Um Chief, go ahead.

Thank you, Mayor.

Council, good to be with you tonight.

I wish I had a gone first.

I had a captive audience for a bunch of recruits for Chief Smith and I there.

Um I want to thank uh council and the citizens for the continued support.

Um, this master officer program is really taking off and it's building the leadership capacities and qualities within our ranks.

And tonight we're here to recognize two of our our two newest master officers, and I'll call them forward really quick.

Dallin Upchurch and Creighton Kent, if you guys want to come up.

Tell you a little bit about each of them.

Master Officer Dallin Upchurch became a Draper police officer in February of 2014.

He has served as a patrol police officer, an FTO, which is a field training officer, a member of the community-oriented policing unit, and is an officer in charge.

He is an instructive and instructor in active gunman training and is currently a detective assigned to the South Valley special enforcement team.

He's gained a reputation on that team as a diligent uh investigator.

He's tenacious, and that team are the ones that the criminals do not want trailing them.

They do an outstanding job.

Dallin and his wife Kelsey have two sons, ages eight and six who are with us tonight, and I will add in that his father was one of my police commanders and mentors and provo when I was a young cop.

So we're happy to have Dallin in the ranks.

Creighton Kent.

Master Officer Creighton Kent began his law enforcement career with the Draper Pol with the uh Department of Corrections and uh working out at the state prison.

He was assigned while he was there to the psych unit and later to transportation and to the SWAT team.

In 2016, he left Corrections and became a Draper police officer.

He's currently assigned to the patrol division.

He serves in specialty capacities as a field training officer and a less lethal instructor.

Away from work, Officer Kent enjoys home renovation projects, physical fitness activities, and spending quality time with his wife and quite possibly the cutest son along the Wasatch front.

So we are very um proud of these two, and we welcome to the rank.

And so you know you can always recognize one of our master officers by the insignia on their sleeve of the stripe with the star under it.

It's quite an accomplishment, and um they are ready to go.

So thank you very much.

Um get a photo.

Do you want to go with us standing behind you guys?

Please raise the button.

How many family members do we have in the audience for these officers?

Would you raise your hand?

Well, thank you for your officers and their service to our community.

We appreciate it very much.

So thank you.

All right, that takes us to item number five, which is an opportunity for general public comment.

We have a couple of public hearing items on our agenda.

If you're here for a public hearing item, we ask that you wait until that public hearing item to make your comment.

But if you have a general public comment, you're certainly welcome.

Um, is there anyone here that would like to make a general public comment to the council?

All right, come on up, ma'am.

Um, the way the rules work for general public comment, if you haven't been here before, um, once you get up here, give us your name and address.

We have a clock over here to my right and your left.

Three minutes, you get three minutes.

You don't have to use them all, but you can.

Um, but at the end of three minutes, your turn will be up.

But it's an opportunity for you to address the council with comments, we'll listen and uh and and hear you.

So give us your name and address, go ahead.

Okay, my name is Shelley Goldberg, and my address is one five seven four Pioneer Road.

And um, I have lived in Draper for over 30 years.

We've had over four houses here.

We just purchased this house in December, and it's on Pioneer and Relation the Corner.

And um the house is almost a hundred years old, so it's had numerous renovations.

We've also done many safety things to it.

For example, has so many trees that had not been taken care of for many years that were falling on the streets.

Anyways, we took down 12 big trees, two of them that obstructed you to be able to turn on relation and pioneer, so the visibility is much better.

That being said, last week we had three no parking signs put up without any consultation to us or like involvement in us right in front of our street.

And um because of this, it's become a huge um hazard.

And I have pictures so you can see what I'm I don't know if I have to give it to our city recorder if you would.

One of the three things, and one of our driveway.

But um before the signs were installed, there's a large gravel pull-up if you're familiar with Pioneer Road, and that allowed us to safely exit Pioneer Street and turn into our driveway.

And um, Pioneer has become a very busy street, especially in the morning and the evenings.

And this was not only a safety for us, but other driver drivers, so they didn't have to stop.

We could just pull off and get over.

Now because of these three new signs, they're right on the street and they go all the way up.

We cannot use that.

So we have to physically come to a stop on Pioneer and turn right.

Now they've only been there a week and they've we've almost been hit several times, like rear-ended, because people don't aren't anticipating returning there.

Um so um this is not just an inconvenience, but it's a real danger.

It's only a matter of time before there's an accident.

Also, now the garbage can't come because they can't pull off, so we have to bring our garbage to the neighbors, which is not a great long-term solution.

What concerns us most is that the decision was made without any notice or talking to us?

It would have been so much easier just to say, hey, can you not park there?

Because it causes them not to be able to see.

Um, but that was not nobody consulted us.

The signs just came up.

Um we understand that they had a meeting on it, they did a uh site triangle study, but none of this was discussed with us.

Um so the intent of this was so that it improves the visibility at the corner.

Am I over?

You are your your turn's up, so thank you.

But we we appreciate it.

Um I think we understand what your issues are.

So thank you.

Okay, so when do I find out?

I think the city manager had some answers.

Okay.

Yeah, we we can get we'll get back with you on it uh on your issue.

But thank you for your comment.

Is there anyone else who would like to make a general public comment to the council?

All right, seeing no further general public comment, I'll move to item number six, which are items on our consent calendar.

First item is six A's approval of July 29, 2025 city council meeting minutes.

Um item seven A.

Oh, that's a public hearing.

So we have one item, I guess.

The minutes is there a motion, Mr.

Mayor.

Go ahead.

I move we approve consent item six A.

Motion by Miss Vaudrey second.

I'll second.

Second by Mr.

Green.

Any further discussion?

Seeing them, Ms.

Vaudreau, how do you vote?

Yes, Mr.

Green.

Yes.

Lowry.

Yes, Mr.

Lowry.

Yes.

Ms.

Johnson.

Yes.

Items approved unanimously.

Five to zero.

Takes us to item number seven.

Item number seven is a public hearing.

It's ordinance number sixteen sixty-seven.

It's an ordinance amending the official zoning map of Draper City for approximately two point eight four acres of property from CO2 professional office to CR regional commercial, located approximately one for one four-one nine three South Minuteman Drive, otherwise known as the Indigo Tech Center map amendment.

We'll have a staff report by Paul.

Go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Mayor and Council.

Um, so as you said, this is a proposal for a zoning map amendment from the CO2 zone to the CR zone.

Um we can see our vicinity map.

We are on Minuteman just east of the freeway, in between the Bangater Highway and 146 exits.

Um if we go in for a closer view, we are just south of the Boondocks property, and we are comprised of three parcels: 14183 south, one four-one nine three south, and one four two zero three south Minutemen.

Um the existing land use is current or is can is uh congruent with the proposed zone change.

Uh it's regional commercial.

Um, if we take a look at the zoning map, we see that we're surrounded by CR on the north and south with some residential to the southeast with M1 west of the freeway.

Overview of the request.

So there are some additional uses that are allowed in the CR zone.

The use in particular that the applicant has indicated um interest in the reason why they're rezoning is the recreation and entertainment indoor.

Their intent is to have a business in there for an indoor golf um simulator lounge.

They haven't indicated any other interest in in other uses on this list.

Um we have a couple site photos of the area, and then the planning commission reviewed this item at their July 30th, 31st, 2025 meeting and forwarded a positive recommendation for the application with a vote of 5-0.

Um if there are any questions for me, I can answer them.

Uh the applicant also indicated that they would have a representative here to answer questions.

Any questions for Paul right now?

All right, is the applicant here?

Would you like to address the council?

You're certainly welcome to.

Okay.

All right, this is the public hearing.

It's item 7A ordinance 1667.

Is there anyone from the public that would like to address the council on this item?

All right, seeing no public comment, close the public comment period.

Bring us back to the council.

You have any questions?

There are a motion.

I have uh just a question.

This is gonna be a private private use initially.

Is that come on?

Come on up here to the uh mic and give us your name and address if you're gonna talk.

So my name's Danica Pixton, and um we just live up on um 1840 east.

12562 South 1840 east.

So um, sorry, what was the oh um is this gonna be for private use or is it uh for public use?

Um the UB memberships, so people will purchase memberships and then um use it as they book space like time in there.

So but it's open to anyone.

Anyone, yeah.

Anyone who wants to to sign up and and use it.

Yeah, okay.

Any other questions?

Thank you.

Thanks.

Mr.

Mayor, Mr.

Lowry.

I make a motion that we pass ordinance 1667.

All right, motion by Mr.

Lowry to approve ordinance 1667s or second.

I'll second.

Second by Miss Lowry.

Any further discussion?

I think the zoning change here is compatible to that area in the neighboring properties, so it makes sense to me.

All right, uh, Mr.

Laura, how do you vote?

Yes, Ms.

Lowry?

Yes.

Ms.

Vodry.

Yes, Mr.

Green.

Yes.

Ms.

Johnson.

Yes.

Items approved unanimously five to zero.

That takes us to item 7B, which is also a public hearing.

This resolution number 2540 runs a resolution adopting the City of Draper annual budget for the fiscal year ending June 30th, 2026, as proposed and including any changes to final budget items that have been presented and discussed with the council.

Adoption of the budget includes approval of the staffing document and the employee pay plan for fiscal year 2025-2026.

Uh Draper has received the certified tax rate for FY 2026, tax year 2025 from Salt Lake County and Utah County.

The combined equalized rate is.

So this is formally adopting the final budget.

Um we adopted a an acting budget for the period through the truth and taxation hearing, so this will adopt the final budget.

We do have a couple of changes that we are proposing to happen within the budget.

Um, first, uh, we are proposing a staffing change with no dollars to add a city prosecutor as we move from a contracted service into uh in-house city prosecution.

Uh second, we are uh changing the staffing document again.

Uh we are going to eliminate a parks maintenance technician and replace that with a city arborist.

And again, this is no cost to the general fund simply using the funding that we already have and the resources that we're giving in the budget amendment.

We did have the police department come to us.

Um they have requested 25,000 dollars be added to their budget to add assistance for drug enforcement.

Um this money will be used to pay informants and provide sting operations to help the police department continue its proactive work in drug enforcement.

So that would be from the general fund fund balance.

Um the city council was also updated on a grant that the city received.

We received a grant from uh I don't remember who from, right?

The state office of outdoor recreation.

So we received a oh, it's right there.

If I'd have read my notes, I could have found it.

State Office of Outdoor Recreation and we received $50,000 with a required match of $50,000.

And so we're proposing to put that in so that they can begin the work now as opposed to waiting till a formal budget amendment.

And lastly, we are required to do some updates to our ESRI license, which will not be usable unless we also update our open value license.

But we did not include did not know about this or include this funding in the budget.

So we're asking for $15,000 to accomplish that as well.

So with those three, um, we propose that you adopt the final budget with those five changes that were listed there.

So any questions for Mr.

Bike.

Do we need to uh specifically mention these in our resolution to pass the budget, or do we need to included in the resolution now?

So I think they're included in the resolution because we've now discussed them in the city council meeting.

So the other questions from John?

Right.

This is a public hearing.

Is everyone from the public would like to address the council on this budget amendment the adopt adapting the new tax rate?

Adopting, I meant, sorry.

All right, seeing no public comment, we'll close a public hearing, bring it back to the council.

Mr.

Mayor, Mr.

Green.

I move we adopt resolution 2541 passing the annual budget for fiscal year ending in June 2026 as proposed to include the final budget items that have been presented and discussed with the council today, and the uh adoption of the budget budget includes the approval of the staffing document employee pay plan for fiscal year 2526.

Motion by Mr.

Green to adopt resolution 2541 zero second.

I'll second.

Second by Ms.

Johnson.

Any any further comment.

All right, seeing none, Mr.

Green, how do you vote?

Yes.

Ms.

Johnson.

Yes.

Mr.

Lowry.

Yes.

Ms.

Lowry.

Yes.

Ms.

Vaudrey.

Yes.

Items approved five to zero.

That takes us to an action item number eight.

It's approval of ordinance number sixteen sixty-eight or ordinance sixteen sixty-nine.

It's an ordinance amending Draper City Municipal Title 19 Ethics.

We'll have a staff report by uh our city attorney Tracy Gunderson.

Go ahead.

Good evening, everybody.

Let's see here.

All righty.

You have before you we've just passed out a copy of the state law.

You can um take a copy of that.

Um but tonight we're gonna discuss the employment of relatives and how this is handled in our city code.

So um, just by way of a little bit of context here, the definition of nepotism in the Oxford dictionary.

This is a noun, the practice among those with power influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs.

This um word originates from the mid-1600s.

I can't even begin to pronounce um their where they come from, but um originally from I think Nipote, meaning nephew, which is a reference to the privileges bestowed on the nephews of popes, the nephews in quotation marks, who were in many cases their illegitimate sons.

So now with that background, um, we will turn to what is the state law on nepotism.

So this is Utah Code 523, and this governs public officers.

So I've handed you out a copy of the actual state law if you want to have the um full extent of this statute in front of you to take a look at it.

Um it's about a page and a half, but to just give you a quick summary of what this law says, it basically says that public officials can't hire or directly supervise their relatives or people living in their household if the job is paid with public funds, but there are some exceptions to this.

So there's some exceptions here that say um it can be a relative if they're hired, um, if they qualify through a fair merit-based process, like a civil service exam.

So, for example, you'll see that with police uh departments especially.

Um they can also be hired if they're the only or best person for the job as decided by the head of the agency.

There are some other exceptions as well that include short-term jobs like 12 weeks or less, if it's a volunteer or if it's a vocational training role, and then usually if a relative is hired, um, when they are permitted to do so, the official can't directly supervise them or decide their pay or performance reviews.

So if an exception applies, the official must publicly disclose the relationship.

And the goal of this law um ostensibly is to prevent favoritism while allowing fair hiring when it's justified.

So that's kind of the um background of the state and nepotism law there.

Now, if you'll take a look here at Draper's current code, our ethics title is Title 19, and the one that we're looking at specifically this evening is chapter one 10.

So this is employment of relatives and it's prohibited.

Now, subsection A is the definition of relative and what that means.

It's very broad.

B is the one that we're really going to take a look at here.

And it says no relative of a city officer or a relative's spouse shall be employed by the city.

And then C is a grandfather section that allows it if this is somebody who's been hired in the past.

So if you do quick comparison between the state law and our city code, you can see that the state law defied defines relatives, and that's what's kind of there before you, and it's fairly broad.

I mean, they try to include almost everybody, but then Draper city code goes a little bit farther.

So it includes a broader list, it's the same as the state, plus additional relationships not covered by the state.

So it also includes life partner, ward, fiancee, grandfather, grandmother, grandson, granddaughter, stepparent, or stepchild.

So our right definition of relative is a little bit broader.

However, when you still take a look at some of the key terms of the state code, they also include household member in their definition.

And so that is a person residing in the same residence as the public officer.

Now we don't have household member defined in our city code.

So without spending too much time on the definitions in the state code, what we do need to look at here is the definitions that we have for appointed officer, elected officer, and city officer.

So essentially, appointed officers who is who your department directors are, right?

They're appointed.

Elected officer is you, person elected or appointed to the office of mayor or city council.

And then a city officer is both of these.

Any appointed or elected officer, and it includes, it's quite broad, the mayor, city council, all appointed city officials, and the members of the city's agencies, boards, committees, and commissions, right?

So those members of the boards, committees, and commissions are also considered city officers under our code.

Okay, so going back to city code on this, looking at B.

No relative of a city officer or a relative spouse shall be employed by the city.

So city officer rate captures all of the people that we saw in that definition previously for city officer.

Okay.

So doing a little bit more of a comparison here of these two.

If you're looking at the state code, it's gonna prohibit the public officer from employing appointing, voting for, recommending an appointee if it's a relative or a household member, if they will be directly supervised by the officer.

Barring direct supervision prevents them from accepting and retaining employment under direct supervision of a relative or household member, and then the emphasis on this one is avoiding supervision conflicts, right?

Rather than banning employment outright.

And so this applies to State Departments, agencies, and political subdivisions, such as cities like Draper.

Now, the Draper Code imposes a blanket prohibition, so it's stricter than what our state law is on nepotism.

And so no relative of a city officer, a relative spouse shall be employed by the city at all.

That's how this is implemented.

So it is far stricter, it bans any city employment for covered individuals regardless of supervision or department.

Okay, so you had a chance probably previously.

There are some advantages to anti-to um nepotism laws.

Um there's just kind of a list for you there, and I think you've had a chance to consider this previously, but I think the number one advantage of it is that it prevents perceived or actual nepotism.

And it's very easy to enforce.

So we've got some disadvantages as well.

You might have a loss of qualified candidates, and there's no flexibility in the way that our particular city code has been drafted.

So city officer, again, sort of highlighting is appointed or elected officers, including mayor city council, all appointed city officials and the members of the city agencies, boards, committees, and commissions, right?

So you can see circumstances where Draper is it's not a small town, but you might have somebody who is on a committee, and this would prevent like their spouse from being hired by the city.

So it's it's kind of a broad prohibition, and um it's just something to keep in mind in terms of the talent pool that we might have to draw from in terms of like hiring here if we're having any hiring problems.

And there's a very slight but not zero risk of a legal challenge by somebody who argues that this is an exclusion that violates the equal opportunity laws of the state.

Okay, so we have a few options for you this evening to consider.

If you like our current um city code and you like the protections that it gives the city with regard to nepotism, then there is no change that needs to be made.

You can keep the status quo.

We've got a couple of options if we would like to create a little bit of flexibility with regard to this particular code.

We could go the route of prohibiting relatives of elected officers only.

This would be a really simple text amendment um change to make where we just substitute elected instead of city official.

And then you've got um option three, which is to give our city manager some discretion with regard to whether or not um a hire could be made, and obviously it's got to be consistent with both our city code and state law.

Now you could also do something else.

Um this was oh sorry about that.

Okay, if we're keeping the prohibition on electeds, you're gonna see in subsection B there, all that we have to do in terms of a text amendment is change B to say no relative of an elected officer or a relative spouse shall be employed by the city.

Now, if you want to grant the city manager some discretion and flexibility with regard to whether or not um an exception can be made for a particular applicant, we can change subsection B so that it says no relative of a city officer or a relative spouse shall be employed by the city, except when the city manager determines that the employment serves the best interests of the city and does not create a conflict of interest or the appearance of impropriety.

And obviously, he's still restrained um by our state law.

So, and one of the reasons I wanted to just highlight this for you the city manager's duties as set forth in our code specifically is that um our city manager is both the personnel administrator, and so that's to whom all employees of the city shall report and shall be responsible for implementing and enforcing the personnel policies of the city.

That is city manager's job, and then also under number three, you'll see that um the city manager shall recommend to the mayor the appointment of all appointed officers and department heads.

The city manager may remove all appointed officers, department heads after first giving those.

Um the city manager shall have authority to hire and remove all other city employees.

So there's where you see the power, right, of the city manager, he's enabled to make these decisions.

Okay, and again, like I mentioned, the city manager still has to abide the state nepotism law under 5231, and then also we have in our own city code under 19180, um, the avoidance of impressions of corruptibility.

So that's also something that, right, is gonna govern and guide the city manager's decisions with regard to these hiring decisions.

Okay.

So somebody asked, I think it was Miss Johnson, what do other cities do?

And so I took a look at some of the um neighboring cities around us just to get a sense for like how are other municipalities dealing with this particular issue.

Okay, so Sandy, um, theirs is under section 462, and this is all they say prohibitions on the employment of relatives by the city shall be governed by the state law.

Super easy, right?

They just basically punt it, it's state law done.

And that actually is not obviously as strict as what our current city code is.

Okay, bluffdale.

Um, bluffdell gets a little bit more detailed.

This is sort of their their section of law.

Um, as you can see, like they have no elected officer or appointed officer, um, shall employ appoint vote for the appointment of a relative, and then you've got exceptions.

They're basically kind of making the prohibition, and then they've got some exceptions that they allow.

And it really looks like they're mirroring state law there.

It's very similar.

Okay, South Jordan, pretty kind of along the same lines.

Um, they've got a nepotism prohibition as well.

Um, and I think that one is probably a little bit stricter as you take a look at that one.

Okay, Riverton.

Now, Riverton doesn't have a specific uh code that deals with nepotism.

There's just covered under um chapter 2120, conflict of interest.

So it does not expressly prohibit nepotism or the employment of relatives, but it would require certain disclosures to be made.

Um, it would just allow an appointed officer from using his or her position to further a personal interest, and that's sort of consistent with that state law about the municipal um employees' ethics.

Okay, Lehigh.

Nothing, they got nothing.

So there is nothing that is it's completely silent on this particular issue.

And then taking a look at Salt Lake County with regard to it, they do something kind of similar to the state law.

Um, they do have uh a code that speaks to this.

No, um, they can't directly or indirectly supervise a relative if they're paid out of county funds, they can't participate in right, this like supervision of the employee.

Um it's so again, you kind of got this sort of mirroring to some degree um what the state law is, and then when you take a look at Salt Lake City as well, then they have got um a prohibition on it under 252 10.

Um, and then they do kind of have some other code sections that speak to it.

The direct supervision or direct involvement regarding compensation and benefits of a relative is prohibited.

There's some exceptions for civil service and volunteer people, and then you've got um they've got a section that says relatives involved in the city financial control procedures can't happen, and so right, you don't have people who are relatives where they're allowed to participate in like the finances or of um the other employee.

And then when you apply for the job there at Salt Lake City, you have to make the disclosure if you're related to anybody on that application too.

So you can see how they've adopted a couple of things too to keep them safe.

So that's kind of uh a way to I think sort of highlight what other cities are doing.

Um, and I think as you can tell when you take a look at you know these other um treatments of this particular issue, Draper is actually pretty strict on this, and so this is why you have before you um I think a few options um with regard to how we could potentially create some flexibility if that's a direction that you want to go in.

I'll be honest, I'm a big fan of what Sandy did.

Simplicity, just point to the state code.

Yeah, I'm curious why to beyond.

Is there a reason why we haven't considered the Sandy one?

Do you know?

I think when originally this issue came before us, we were trying to make some decisions fairly quickly, right?

Because we had some um hiring decisions that that we needed to make, and so in order to deal with this and have a resolution as quickly as possible.

That's why there were some different options that were presented.

But then as I was researching what different cities do, that's when I saw how Sandy treated it.

And so unfortunately, like the noticing period had already passed that I can notice for you the way that like we couldn't do that tonight.

Like we what you have before you is the two ordinances where we make either the prohibitions strictly to electeds, or we give the city manager discretion.

Um, if you wanted to go in the direction of Sandy, we probably have to re-notice this because that's not an ordinance that was put like on um like out for for the notice period.

Are we still in that time crunch?

I believe so.

Okay.

Can you go back to the four options again, please?

Now, what you're saying is we have to pick those four.

We can't combine really two and three.

Well, if you want to um in order for the city to move forward on the issue that it's dealing with right now, we would need a choice between two or three, or one actually.

I mean, if you were to say as a body, you like the code as it is and you want to keep it, then that tells us what we need to do, right?

And so there no further like action needs to be taken on this issue.

If you want to give the city some flexibility right now to make the decision, then I would say consider both either two or three.

Um if you liked what Sandy did or what some of the other cities did better, then you don't necessarily have to approve either two or three.

I mean, you could give us that direction.

I'll notice it out for the next city council meeting that that's the text amendment that you would like to go with with regard to this issue.

And would that be next week, like in a week from yeah, it's could that be added to the agenda for next Tuesday?

We we'd probably need some direction from you because the only the only thing the only purpose for next uh week's council meeting is to approve the canvas of the vote.

But if you do want to expand that beyond that one issue, then we could certainly think you if you look at like if you look at option three, it gives us the flexibility to deal with our current issue, and it really it requires it's really sandy because he is some discretion, it's not prohibited prohibited, but he has to still follow the state law.

It seems inconsistent.

Consistent with cities.

It makes the most sense to me that we can do now, solve our problem, and it works.

Yeah, I would agree that three is probably the one I would personally prefer.

I think it solves a problem today, and this is an issue that we keep pushing out, and there is some timeliness that needs to happen.

I think you'll get inconsistent outcomes with three, but there's some personality in there.

So if we're okay with being a little more messy than I am, um, but that's the downside to it.

It puts a lot of responsibility on the city manager.

Yeah, but he really still has to follow the law state.

That's true.

That's what Sandy did.

I don't know what Mark Johnson's doing.

I'm gonna have to have a talk with him, but you know, yeah.

But I hear you, Tasha.

I think we can't keep kicking this down.

It's timely, it needs to be addressed.

And doesn't this only apply if that situation happens, then it's looked at to see if it's necessary.

Right.

So I'm we may be overthinking it.

Is there a motion for three?

Mr.

Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve option three.

All right, motion by Miss Lyard to prove option three, give the city manager discretion because state law.

And let's make sure that we clarify that this would be, I believe, ordinance number sixteen sixty-nine.

Yes.

Yes.

Sorry, right.

Ordinance 1669.

Is that right?

Motion by Tasha second.

I'll Marsha.

All right, any further discussion?

Tasha, how do you vote?

Yes.

Marsha?

Yes.

Mike?

Yes.

Fred?

Yes.

Ren.

Yes.

All right.

That passes unanimously.

That takes us to any council manager items that might be a foot.

Any.

Go ahead, sir.

Sorry, maybe I'll try.

No, I brought my own glasses.

Two quick option uh items.

Um was just an FYI with the fire, the fire threat that we seem to be in.

We're getting a lot of residents calling about open space.

You know, in our city, we have open space throughout the whole city, up on the hills in the flat, where we border properties that have sagebrush and rabbit brush and native grasses and that type of stuff.

Properties that we've never ever maintained, they're not landscape, they're just open space.

But more than ever, we're just having a ton of residents ask for that to come be mowed or reduce the fire risk.

Our response to them is that we're we've never maintained it, we're not going to go cut it now.

Um, number one, because that can create a fire risk with a spark or something, and really have a problem like we did in Midville a few weeks ago.

And two, once we do go cut that, then it's a nightmare to ever restore because then the invasive and the noxious weeds do come up.

So just wanted you to know that we're getting a lot of those type of comments to come cut open space.

And so if you heard that, just know that our response is that that's not anything that we maintain.

You know, we'll certainly watch it, and we know the fire risk is high, but we're not gonna be getting our equipment in there to possibly create a worse problem.

So that was just uh an FYI.

Second item, just really quick.

I needed to show some pictures, I guess.

Um of you had asked about City Hall landscaping right out here in back.

And the big question is why are we watering rocks?

So I just wanted to share some quick history.

Um as you know, right now, this this has all been converted to rock mulch and riprap rock.

And it's been this way for about 10 years.

This is going back to uh 2011 when we used to have a bunch of grass here, nice grass, but a lot to water.

Um, just a few going back to 2015, still grass, but in that same year, 2015.

You can see we started the conversion process.

This was actually a project done by our assistant city manager about three assistant city managers ago.

Uh got a grant and worked on this project.

Um see now we started to rip out all of the irrigation, everything's dying.

We're about to put rocks in 2016.

This is later 2016.

You can see that it's now all rocks.

Um again, you know, this is current pictures.

So what my purpose, I guess, when showing this is when we converted from grass to rocks, it did a few things.

The intention was is to save water, obviously, and that's why we got the grant to do the conversion to zeroscaping.

What we found though was when we took out the irrigation that watered the sod and we put in part of the grant was to put in bubblers around the trunks of the trees, which is consistent with the you know, with uh the model of the day to save water, but we started losing trees.

We've and we lost about three trees fairly close, and the reasons were that we're de determined was the roots by now that were you know all over 10 years old had spread out throughout the park strips, so the trees weren't getting the water because the the bubblers that were now around the trunks of the trees weren't getting down to the receptors on the the tree roots.

So we lost a few of the park strip trees, which was a concern.

So working with the city manager and stuff at the time, we decided to actually convert back from the bubblers back to the spray heads to save the trees.

Um but then the optics of that look quite weird that we're watering trees, but it did have a purpose was to save the trees, and we've only lost about two trees since 2019.

Um, but we lost a lot.

The rocks caused a lot of heat on the roots of the trees.

The park strips were narrow and already confined, and we just were losing too many trees.

So that's I guess why I wanted to show you a few of the pictures.

This was can you go to mulch on those instead of rock and do use just use drip irrigation or no?

Well, we did do the drip, and that's when No, I'm talking no rocks but mulch, and then drip irrigation with plants in between that will get to the roots of the trees.

If we add more plants and go drip throughout the whole park strip would be better, and and the mulch would be better than the heat that the rocks cause.

Absolutely.

So I know like our tree commission committee, you know, is isn't in favor of the rocks.

They're can you get a look at a bid to do mulch and take the rock out?

Plants like you have at your garden.

Yeah, it is the right way.

You know, rock is not the right way to do it.

So no.

It would look nicer, and even if it conserved water better and kept things cooler.

I can tell you the mulch to get, you barely have to weed it.

It's good.

Well, we certainly want that mulch.

I'll take it at my house too.

But uh there is a brand, I'm telling you, it's we my wife found it.

It's amazing.

All right, anything else?

No, that was all I had.

Thank you.

Can you look at are you all willing to have a look at getting rid of the rocks?

And I'm sure we could use them somewhere else, throw them at something.

Um I'm just kidding.

All right, yeah, it would be nice.

You're good with that?

Yeah.

Okay.

Anything else?

Anybody else have anything?

I I do, real quick.

Um, so um Troy Dana had put his um application over on roughly eight east and 122nd on on hold uh pending of study.

Question I've got is um is that a study that you'd like to uh be conducted in-house by community development staff, or would you prefer uh um retaining a consultant?

And and part of the reason I ask is that um community development is working on obviously stationary plans, uh general plan amendment and a couple other large projects, so their bandwidth is a little bit constricted at this point.

Um I guess the answer to the question I've asked is is you know what what kind of timeline are you are you looking at to have the study completed?

Um I I and I don't know what Mr.

Dana's expectations are as to when he wants to bring his project back, but and I don't know if Jen, if you can shed any light on that, but yeah, I haven't talked to Troy about any timelines.

I know he uh pulled his application from consideration, but we do still have active applications.

Um my staff is uh pretty lean right now as far as uh master plan projects, things like that.

Um so if you want this uh neighborhood study done sooner rather than later, consultants probably the better option if you do want it in-house, it will take some time.

I guess I wonder do we have to make it that complicated?

Can we have a meeting?

Maybe just you there, somebody we talk, we look, we think what's best.

Maybe we don't have to really make it that hard.

I don't know how the rest of you feel.

Maybe you don't have to go through that much of a expense for outside consultant.

I don't care how long it takes, so I'd have staff prepare something whenever they get to it.

Is that feasible, Jed?

I'd like to have an open house with everyone in that part of the community that gets to comment on it.

I'd like to get that part of town's buy-in.

Yeah, it is feasible for staff to do it.

It's just it probably won't be till the beginning of the year, uh, the new year where we can actually have time to put into it.

I was meaning feasible for us to sit down like Marcia said and just discuss it.

Yeah.

That wouldn't take till the end of the year to do that, would it?

Uh no, yeah.

I mean, if we do that, are we gonna have all the details and information necessary so when the public asks the questions, it's not just we sat around and made a whim by looking at the map.

I mean, I'd want to understand the infrastructure.

Like there's a lot more to it than I think we can let us think about it and we'll come back with a proposal that um that will hopefully well that will meet the needs of of the city council and the neighbors, but not expend a lot of money and time in doing it to try to get some answers for you.

Anything else from anyone else?

Yeah, Mr.

Mayor, I just so I've got here on record, or we've talked about maybe looking at an ordinance about storage containers permanently stored.

Um I guess that's something that we need to evaluate and and then also know if we have that some properties with existing long-term storage, uh if that can be do we have a growing issue, or can we still maybe place some requirements that if they become permanent that they would be maintained in a way like a an outside storage building to fix the to match the facade of the main dwelling or something like that?

I don't know.

We we've we've already started discussing that as staff.

Um Bracy's looking at the retroactivity portion of it.

Um there's a couple of considerations because some people use shipping containers as accessory dwelling units, others use them you know to store materials or whatever in their in their backyard or or where um so we will we can look at that from both those angles and um address that retroactivity issue and and maybe come back with a study session and and show you what what we found, what what some options are doing?

Or excuse me, what options uh are available.

So okay, thank you.

Anything else?

anybody else?

Yes, Mr.

Mayor.

Um can uh did we ever get the the yard crews to look at all the stuff on 138th since I had uh constituent reach out saying how the sidewalks have got weeds and stuff like that on there.

Did we ever get something worked out on that?

Which portion of 138th might I mean all of it.

I drove from Fort Street down to 138th and along the sidewalk there.

There's some pretty rough spots.

In fact, Rhett and I talked about that today, and and like all park strips, those are responsibility of the homeowners.

Okay.

Can we go nudge them somehow?

Or is this or that not code enforcement can go deal with them?

Some of them are pretty bad.

Yeah, I would agree.

They are so we send code enforcement out to look at those.

Isn't there some area on Fort Street though that I think still is city not Fourth Street 138?

138th.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And then the second thing is is I wanted to see if we could do an ordinance that clarified specifically that our elections are nonpartisan.

I couldn't find that.

And I was using that for another obligation in my life.

So I don't know if we ever circle back on that.

Or if we have something that's clear enough in state code that I can use.

That was those are my only two.

We we have looked at that, Mike.

Um, and I think I think Tracy was um curious about the the specific guard requirements that what are they exactly looking for?

Um a change could be pretty simple.

Um I don't know if you want to.

Yeah, I'll just talk with you offline then.

I'll show you, I'll show you the statute or the the line.

So anybody else?

Going once.

All right, so motion to adjourn.

So moved.

Motion adjourned second.

I'll second.

All in favor of adjourned, say aye.