Morning everybody.

David, welcome back.

Hopefully we have a nice summer.

So this morning is uh Tuesday September 2nd, the paper tree committee meeting.

Um 8 o'clock.

Uh let's do a roll call.

Uh I'll go first with David Coward.

Janet Zimanch.

Josie Tabor.

Taylor Parker.

Marianne Pickering.

Brent Williams.

Chris McGraw.

Range on it?

Michelle Cocher.

Milan Weiler.

Great.

Thanks, everybody.

Um Taylor on the meeting minutes.

Do we approve those for last time or is it?

Yes.

Yeah, okay.

So they needed to be posted within 30 days.

That's what it was.

And it was posted because we didn't get a chance to approve them.

They've been posted as some kind of temporary approval.

So okay.

Um it's been a while, but uh if there are any questions on because it wouldn't uh have any concerns with the meeting minutes if we have a rule of meeting minutes last time, May 6th.

Second.

Second great.

Um as always we want to have Dylan on the agenda first for city updates.

So any uh project updates we can talk about today.

I appreciate that.

Um nothing new.

Uh the Long Peak Parkway project that we discussed uh in spring is should still happen next year.

Um but we already have the conclusions we need on that.

Um we don't have a lot of road widening projects that we're looking at next year, warmth pavement stuff and storm grain projects for us.

Um we might look at stokes, but I'll come back with an update on that if we decide to um clean up the curve and wide model it on the stokes out there.

So I'm open for questions if you have anything.

Um Stokes is the one that goes from fourth down to third.

Yes.

It's a pretty wide street.

Are you talking about wide meetings?

It doesn't have curve on one side, so we would just be coming down that side just from that area or curve returns.

So understood.

Okay, that's great.

Um we were gonna talk about like the Tiffany Street.

Do you need to be able to the uh engineering representation on that or uh if you're involved with all of us?

I guess not.

That answers that called.

Alright.

There's a question about uh you just project through you know the engineering team have you know look at uh 80 sidewalks that look like your issues could be safety and modern those trees for cut down all the tree for this sidewalks uh amended and then we run particularly putting one like 40 trees.

Oh wow to be cut down.

Yeah, I I'm aware of that project, but I didn't hear about for you in New York, so I think I'll leave you guys too in it.

That's okay, thank you.

Um the next thing we had on the agenda was the status of community development adoption of the plant team specs and inspection engineering team have been using and Mary and we obviously have lots of email traffic about that over the break and my understanding that had been decision to go ahead and move forward with that same spec, but it would take some time when you guys actually do a code changes, it's gonna be still we're doing this perfect.

Yeah.

We're updating the whole zoning code right now, yeah.

So it'll be a part of that.

Okay.

Um I think that's her because we do have a landscape inspector now.

Yes.

And she was gonna come by, so um but she's reviewing all of our plans, mostly projects in, and then she's starting to do all the inspections for certificate of occupancy, and so she's been going out with us and doing that.

My name's Lindsay, which is really good.

Alrighty, that's also that's great news.

Post certificate.

What's that?

Or post certificate of occupancy.

Some things by state law we can't have a certificate on, so when we have an inspection, she'll go out on it.

So it's been really well.

So she's just walking in too.

Um question about that is you guys are revising all the code.

Um we just recently updated the uh street tree guide.

And I know it's different, one for like residents and one for developers.

Would this be an appropriate time to update that one for the developers also?

Because I think one of the street trees on there is the London plane, which is giving us trouble of ontimity.

And if we can that's adopted by resolution, it's not in the zoning code.

So um a new street tree can be prepared with a resolution, and then city council can approve that.

It's a much quicker process than going through a text amendment.

And that's that's why we did it so that it can be changed as needed perfectly easily.

Okay.

And we don't actually have separate ones the way our code put it together.

We just refer to it as the street tree um list in our code, so that way, yeah, because the list is updated, uh, it's easier.

Um one thing we have noticed is a potential need when we get into some of our fire prone areas to possibly either create a separate set of trees for those areas.

Uh or maybe update the the list for those that are above the 5,000 feet elevation.

Uh that's what most of those fire prone areas are.

So you can just kind of notice that on a recent one.

And Lindsay did make it, which is barely behind me.

Traffic is a little ugly out there right now today.

Yes.

So thanks for joining us, Lindsay.

What's your last name?

Greenberg.

Sorry.

Green bird.

Green bird.

Okay, great.

Yeah.

And it sounded like you're already deployed because you said a transition.

Is that what we're the planners were doing most of the reviews and inspections?

We have a few projects where maybe we started on it, but we're kind of transitioning and only open Z as far as the landscape goes.

So you were here for roll call either, right?

Yeah.

Ton draper, uh.

Yeah.

So I your first name taught the yeah.

Okay.

And your last name is what?

Draper.

I'm like, yeah, next to the drapers.

It's right on the shirt.

There we go.

So thanks for joining us.

Um over email was the timing of that inspection.

Because ideally the whole goal of this new uh spec is to make sure that the trees are planted correctly.

I dare say even as much or more important than the right tree, because even on the wrong we a tree is not on the list or whatever.

It's it leaves we won't have a chance to survive.

So it it will take a little bit of work, say with the developers.

Uh in like those instances I was mentioning where we cannot require it prior to the certificate of occupancy.

Uh it's gonna take a little bit of work to give them the calls ahead of time instead of after the fact.

Right, that'll be a little bit of educational component as well.

Right, makes sense.

Um so as long as you guys are willing to try to do that, that's the most important thing that we try to get that in place.

Um the goal is to make sure that the trees aren't being planned into like in the city projects into world base, which was often the case.

So we don't want that either.

Yeah, exactly.

But it's more work for us, right?

Um one question I had is on situations that we had up later on the agenda.

Um like on uh walgens where they were just letting all those trees die in the park strips.

Where does that fall in terms of code enforcement?

Who who who would be I I saw an email said David Bernal was the one that actually wanted to do that.

Yeah, David Bernal's one of the time because of that.

So he would he would uh go and do the code enforcement side of that.

Yeah, but is my question is is David Bernal, part of the engineering team is a quarter community development.

Okay, supporting the team.

Yeah, and anybody can submit um complaints online through our portal.

Right.

So anybody can any of you could do it too.

I know there is an active complaint about offerings.

That's what I was gonna ask next to that's what usually triggers you know, something like that.

Okay, because you're not going around looking and saying, oh hey, we've got a problem.

Yeah, David doesn't have that kind of time.

Right.

He he has very much complaint-based on all of its enforcement.

Um it does take time.

You have to give them something days to come into compliance.

You might have to go out a second time, a third time.

So it's not really quick.

But uh yeah, more we can do to make sure that we're not doing that in the first place.

Okay, good.

I was just asking about that because it's for it here, but also to see how we should be different than uh cleanse.

Okay.

Um wait, any other on thoughts are on this point before we move on.

Okay.

Um the next item we have on the general agenda was this issue of the Timory Street, you know, sycamores that intended to be cut down.

Uh and Bring it asked if we had as a committee kind of a uh proposal.

City council is obviously you know met and with the residents there and uh a couple of times and different members, and that includes Mike Barker and Scott Krugman, and the mayor this last time as well, and a few people from City Council, and Marcia and Tasha, yeah, thanks.

And Mike, Mike.

Oh, is Mike there?

I didn't see you.

Okay, great.

Um, so the the issue for those that aren't aware is that this was a neighborhood that was built before the codes would prohibit trees being planted in three feet or smaller, you know, uh park strips.

And they planted uh except one of my favorite trees the one tree, which is gonna be looks like it's being stricken of uh the poor old tree, the guy, right?

Um and so those trees, just like many trees in that small or large strip, they were causing some buckling of the sidewalks.

So those uh according to the residents, it was both contractor and city personnel that were going around marked marking trees to be removed.

And so and they they were told that they didn't have the residents didn't have a choice in the matter.

So that's what caused the big you know, flare up.

So they had a couple walks with um uh the residents, city officials and talk through the issue.

So there are places where clearly there's the sidewalks can be easily amended and fixed, right?

And not affecting the trees, and the the trees can be you know kept.

Um then there are places where the sidewalk needs to be amended, but some of the residents don't want the trees because they're because of some of the issues they've had in with uh and fracnose and particularly type of project and other name.

Um so they would like to have their trees removed and want to be allowed to have their treatment because really they should have to get permission to get those trees removed.

They're supposed to take care of them.

So we need to put forward a proposal of what we think should happen.

Um I've been talking with uh our experts, Laura and Janet and Michelle about this, and so we'll kind of hash it out a little bit here.

We've been emailing back and forth over.

My proposal is that that uh obviously if the tree if the sidewalk the trees are there already, so it's no reason just because we say all they shouldn't have planted in that smaller park took in the first place, that's terrible.

Um so if the sidewalk can be amended and the people want to save their trees, then of course all we should say let's do that.

And you can see where the sidewalk uh should never have been marked to be amended in the first place.

There's lots of like millimeters.

Um we're not sure exactly for different information whether that was actually the the contractor who was being looking to give it a lot more business or whether that was a uh you know employee.

I don't know.

But everyone agreed that there are places that were marked or should never have been marked.

Um so that's I think a no-brainer, we keep those streets.

Um for those that uh want to keep the trees and the sidewalk need to be amended.

There are people there who said, hey, my sidewalks have already been amended seven years ago, and if you could look at this, nothing has changed.

You can see that nothing changed where there's sidewalks or ground grounded, grounded down.

So our again, our proposal on that I might suggested proposal in those scenarios is great, leave that alone, or continue to grind a little bit more if it needs needs to.

Um I think the only uh real controversial one is do we uh allow the people to take out those trees, and do we if this should the city be paying to take out those trees, especially if the sidewalk doesn't even require taking out, right?

I would propose that we don't the city doesn't pay to take out trees that really truly don't want to be taken out just because they're a hassle or the resident doesn't like them.

Right.

So but if they want to take out those trees and it is causing a problem and the trees in bad shape then I also propose that we say well power to you and take out the tree.

So what suggestions would you guys make to amend a different proposal to that well and I have a question why is the city even thinking they need to take the trees out.

Because in any experience I've had you don't ever have the city come and take a tree up ever not aware of the never ever I actually had a discussion with Pope Burke about that you know long after I got a complaint the same thing in the particular area the problem is like you said they came in years ago they cut tree roots out they fixed the sidewalk they've never had a tree come down before apparently this past year they had a tree come down.

So the concern with some of them that might not show that they're doing something sidewalk now is these are the ones that they come in multiple times cut the roots their concern there's a liability or safety issue with some of those trees coming down.

That's that's the concern there.

Again is that the city's problem in this case because the city was the one cutting the roots and it's in the city parks trip yes.

So that was the concern there um I asked them to try and get out ahead of that a little bit um I don't know what they did past that as far as yeah it sounds like they met with residents and we did another walk through um my understanding is it's the city staff that actually went marked which ones they wanted out on the contract or that was based on we've been cutting these roots.

Yeah past past history or current situations.

That's something I'd never heard yeah that the tree actually came down the city cut the roots when they fixed the sidewalk years ago the sidewalk they pulled out that section of sidewalk got the roots out of underneath the sidewalk put your sidewalk in place.

Again I've never known anyone that wasn't responsible for that themselves.

Just curious why the why the city's even involved yeah because they shouldn't be technically well I yeah but if you if the safety issue if you don't shovel your box too that the city doesn't come shovel them for you.

There's definitely some sessions for sure by some of my all parties involved.

Yeah I know for sure it's part of the and like we had one resident up there who said I know I called the city because all these I these leaves were building up in my gutter and I asked them to come clean it.

They emerged it from North Carolina that's what happens there.

And this is one of the persons that didn't like the trees and wanted the trees gone.

So it was really Yeah and part of that discussion I had with them too because it sounded like some residents wanted the trees gone some wanted them can't was even just a discussion about at some point do you ask them are you willing to give up an easement to relocate the sidewalk if that would be another option so we've put a number of options out there too um and now they're doing what what they feel they need to in this case it is city property when it's in the mark strips so uh we just have kind of that joint idea that that's part of my question is it city property or city easement owns it.

City property at that moment yeah um however it is required to be owner maintain it.

You're required to shovel your sidewalk but that's still city proper and Tom does I understand that there was going to be someone assigned uh on city staff to go talk to other cities to see how they have addressed this issue because clearly probably from public works yeah I know of because gluely Soly City has been dealing with this for a hundred years right they have if you go up on the nicest uh you know most expensive real estate in the state you know on Harvard Avenue and Michigan Avenue whatever they're tree lined these you know running plants in smaller um uh uh park strips than what you see it up in that neighborhood so they they they've worked with it and they've saved the trees yeah so there is definitely a way around that oh the other I think the the tougher question that I uh heard or was somebody the two different residents said when the trees were when some residents cut down their trees it wasn't the city that did it uh remember Taylor when they start cutting down and you guys like stopped the city stopped and said hey you can't do this um oh it's just deck it up more there oh yeah okay with the anyway they uh they said with the roots still there the roots can and continue to grow and cost more buccane than the trees that were left

Uh remember Taylor when they started cutting down and you guys like stopped the city software said hey you can't do this.

Um it's just a deck it up on that oh yeah okay with the anyway they uh they said with the roots still there the roots can continue to grow in cost more buckling than the trees that were left I don't know if you guys have ever heard that would happen.

I've never seen that never so I I actually took some pictures of the place that they were talking about when I was walking around with the I did too and so you can see the buckling and there's no tree there.

And then that's what they were saying the tree was removed and then you know five or six years later whatever the sidewalk buckle so called something a little so I mean the residents are pointing that out to say it doesn't seem like removing the tree is the solution is what is that what they were saying.

Right.

That's one where I would say the tree was removed in the sidewalk was worse than the other places.

Right.

And in this particular one uh a new tree had been planted you know about six feet you know away or eight feet away uh smaller tree so that was the other question is in that partship if the tree is removed do we allow them to plant a different smaller tree?

No there's like five feet.

So I and I think that that there's a little misunderstanding about that too as I talk to other people within the city about what that guideline is and if there would be an exception so you know I think if I can bring forth a recommendation to city council tonight and say you know if the trees are removed this is what needs to happen in those spaces um that would be helpful.

And I think does anyone disagree with anything I said before except for did do is that the only part we need to kind of seal nail down can a tree before I think so yeah because I've talked to people they don't say about me different answers.

Okay.

Well it is it isn't it's black and white because we would say oh that's really like you should plant the tree you know in in the the yard instead of in the hard strip it's that narrow but at the same time was allowed that that was part of the original street tree plants of that neighborhood so I don't know do you guys in in community development code enforcement for that type of thing do you would you have a position on it whether or not if some if the original neighborhood was approved to have trees in the park strip and sent that many years later we're saying well yeah we don't want trees in park strips that narrow um or if someone says yeah I know but it was originally part of this how would you guys handle that?

We count trees within 15 feet of the property.

So they can certainly put it back that's how we get around that issue with street trees.

Just tell them to put it in their code yes I'm thinking the code I think once we've updated that code there's a reason for that this being a prime example and just because they were allowed 25 years ago things change code updates we have better knowledge now example of real time it's happening to their neighborhood since why it is coded place.

I think one of the differences too is Salt Lake City you know because we put Salt Lake City up all the time because they are really good at what they do and of course they've been around the longest so they have they've learned a lot over the years but they also um they also actually give plant all of the street trees and so what they started doing probably 15 years ago is anything that was coming out of a park strip they put back in the yard okay for exactly that reason is because you the park strips just unless you have an eight ten twelve foot park strip you know which no one seems to want to give up even on the ground you know the trees really don't belong there.

I think a really prime example is 138th right now I think every tree down there should just be taken out of really sad.

Not mine.

Not yours yours and the lady at the very end this is draper.

Draper yeah well spell it yeah anyway their trees look great everybody else's look terrible and the whole the other side of the road yeah every it's really all the world everything's dead so and just my two cents for anything going forward for residents don't put them in period because there's no re I mean 13th looks terrible too there are very few trees along there that are taken care of and I don't know you know we obviously can't educate the people to take care of their trees so and we can't do anything as a city to make them or we don't feel comfortable doing it so I just feel that it makes the city look worse not better discussion for another day on that one.

But I'm just saying I agree with you I don't think because 25 years ago something was one way that's always saying to that I think we're good at that okay um more on that topic okay let's move on then to our public education part of the agenda so we did the tree talks uh tell us a little how that went Michelle thank you for putting that together that's coming up um they have two classes the local scapes and then the tree talk is one and at the library um Josie thank you for your help with setting that up with them and coordinating that um and Jeremiah ESB Arbor so we're playing Master Arborist it'll be talk teaching that class um I believe we have coming up on 30 registrants for that tree talk so they'll be well attended and um they're a week apart from each other I don't have the dates in front of me but I know the local scapes is actually I didn't but what's next Wednesday next Wednesday is the Orlando Scape on the 10th of mine is something and then Monday the 15th is the tree talk at the library so yeah I I think in the past local skates classes have been very well attended so we're anticipating that again um she's not here um just you know what I'm sorry we're supposed to call her yes let's call Jessica it's about seven in the evening the local skates Matt can you call her on that number uh the tree the tree one is Monday the 15th at 7 library so Jocelyn put will put an article in the Draper Ford I don't know if you guys saw that just came out so there are classes are in there.

Um try to get that quote updated the the best time to plant a tree was 15 years ago and the next last time is supposed to be today not tomorrow but said it didn't it's not connected oh okay and then there's a plug under the under thing but I don't know how to force a QSBC morning Jocelyn how are you well how are you good thanks sorry I forgot about you but um no problem we're cop we're confessing you in for the parts that uh that your name came up we're like oh wait we need just so um we're talking right now just about uh locuscapes and tree talks so great yeah so uh yeah I think we got about twenty um responses at least I got a few more um last night I think or yesterday so 20 something yeah that's great well I was just commenting on how you helped put the article in the draper forward where you have uh Rhett put out signs in the neighborhood for uh residents and we've got the social media and the notifications going out so promotion on those yeah great well thank you Justin I saw the Draper forward article too promoting that so that was great thanks yeah it turned out really uh the the layout Alex and turned out really nice I was worried it would be a little bit confusing to have two separate events and two separate sign ups that you did a really nice job I agree great so um one other thing actually I wanted to bring up um it's also somewhat related to these classes um we've been updating the tree bite the street tree bite and I sent it to Alex a few weeks ago and I've been trying to follow up and I he finally responded that it's been pushed back because there's a lot going on right now and I wanted to uh make a request

I think so um one other thing actually I wanted to bring up, um it's also somewhat related to these classes.

Um we've been updating the tree guide, the street tree guide, and I sent it to Alex a few weeks ago, and I've been trying to follow up and I he finally responded that it's been pushed back because there's a lot going on right now.

And I wanted to uh make a request to whoever the powers that be are that that be bumped up on the his list to be um updated on the website because I think this Timini Groad Street issue is crime.

People are asking, well, what can we put in?

You know, can we put a tree back and what can we put in?

And in my mind, I'm like it's all written now, but it's not posted.

And since we've had these um tree planting code updates, I incorporated that into the street tree guide.

So when people go to reference what trees can I plant, the first thing they're gonna see are the street tree codes, which states no trees with a park strip less than five feet wide.

So um this tree talk coming up would be a great time to talk about that and uh introduce the updates to people who are really interested in trees.

Um so I I was hoping that we could bring that street tree guide up to the top of the list to promote you know to post online, and if you guys now are saying that that's what you guys use for community development as well, we won't have contractors going in still recommending London Plains and three foot park strips.

I think right now without that code update, it's still okay for them to do.

Well, if you want to update the street tree guide, just the trees, that's the resolution.

That's the quicker process where it can work on that and get that going to the city.

So just having on the website, it wouldn't change the actual street tree guide until the council approves the tree guide.

Council has to approve the new guide.

Okay, I I guess I'm not following there's a difference.

There's a difference to the the guide treat shoot shoot to guide is not part of the code.

So I was saying this is done by resolution.

Well, I think there's nothing wrong with referencing code in you know some something because that's not actually changing code or doing the code, right?

Right, you can just reference it, but so that should be fine.

Okay.

But the street tree guide itself, the contents we can change and then just be approved by resolution.

It doesn't have to go to city council.

Okay.

I so I got conflicting information.

I can't remember it was read.

Excuse me.

Um said that no, this can go through without approval.

It's good to go.

I think we can put the recommendations for planting on the city website without council approval.

Is that sound right to get that posted shouldn't have to be posted.

You're asking for to make the official change of the official street tree guide, it has to go through city council and get approved.

Okay.

But we can put like, hey, we recommend these trees on the city website, but to change the guide.

Okay, so we can just call it the guide.

It's just our recommendations.

Right.

So until the codes changed, you can't reference a section of code because it doesn't exist.

So it goes back to tree planting recommendations.

Okay.

And then I can reference the code with that that has been changed, our new updated codes.

Okay.

So to clarify, just make sure we're all saying the same thing.

Obviously, we don't change code and we don't do anything like that, but we can reference the code anytime, right?

Just for people to see.

And the street tree guide, this I thought it did not need to go to city council for changes.

That was the whole idea of it so that it could be changed to it.

It doesn't have to go through the code process.

Isn't that possible?

When resolution, that's what that means.

Okay, got it.

So I guess I'm gonna request for resolution.

The street tree guide.

And those don't require noticing or anything.

They're just there's so and they don't go to planning commission, they just go to city council, and it's usually a doctor's consent of okay, don't even discuss it.

So that's why it's quicker.

Yeah, we're not doing anything mean and nasty.

But we we should get together and talk about the firewise, yeah, trees that five thousand that'd be really good to add on there.

Yeah, I think so.

We'll we'll do one more revision and then guys are meeting tonight.

So we got system.

Um so we don't have to break it by that.

But maybe um it could be brought up in Subject will come up and in relation to that and this tree time.

Yeah, good idea.

I I think it's important that we get that out there.

I think you were saying now it's got a higher priority to get up stuff posted he's saying that's then when we used to.

Yeah, okay.

And I've seen it's a higher priority.

He thinks that it is.

Yeah.

Well in Paul's planting time again.

So it's cool up, you know, we pushed that really hard as to get trees planted.

Yeah, starting in September again.

So it would be nice to have it someone that people can actually address that.

Well that's a good segue because that's the next subject to want we want I like to post the one that you guys are gonna work on and read the minute.

Yes.

It's okay now.

Yeah, plus that he has now we'll get the firewise fund that to have requested, and then can we post that on the website before resolution?

I think I mean post it as a recommendation not as the street.

Okay, so you can just change just change the word title at the top.

Perfect.

Um next on the agenda is talk about planting.

Um we had what he knows put planting on new plantings on hold as we pursued uh a dedicated arborist.

Um Rhett and Brent and Taylor had said look it's really difficult for them to stay on top of maintaining and taking care of these new trees and plantings and getting plants on the value of somebody who kind of owns that and that's what they think about every day.

Um and so can you guys give us an update?

How many Brett's been keeping the updated about the position being approved and posted, but anything else?

We're still working on the job posting.

Well, I should say sorry, the rec was approved.

It's not posted yet.

We're working on posting before we did it uh worked out before it's posted.

What is that?

Uh do you guys have it by chance anyone in mind or are you just putting that on the other side?

So we posted to the public or after an actual certificate.

So they like a plug and play.

So I would think probably by next Monday it'll be post when it takes two weeks, it has to stay out there.

Interviews and hopefully by the next time we meet, we should be meeting in our first.

Hopefully that'll be awesome.

From your experience, um the how how we have that whatever level that position is, we would be able to get the experience you you're looking for.

That's why we're we're rewriting.

Okay, because it was real name.

It's more like a tech three than it was a a certified art first.

Okay, so we're written as to what we need.

Yeah.

Good.

Yeah, that'll be the worst thing if we if we hire some we we said, hey, we got this, and then we put it at two low level and we didn't get where we really needed, and got someone on the team that could probably do that.

Okay.

Um so what does that mean for planting this year?

So we have the budget.

I think we've used our budget for this year that we had allocated.

Uh look, when I say that I'll mean I'll I'll explain.

So the ten thousand dollars that we had for that fiscal cycle, we I thought we said uh part of it with the tree matching, you know, we did the disk course this golf course, and then uh then we added those other trees on Carl Quest, right?

Did you say that was the budget?

That was this.

Right, that was 2425.

That's right.

That's so there nothing has been spent yet from 25.

Well, I'm sorry, exposure.

Right.

I mean the budget ending June 30th.

Yes, okay.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

Yeah, so that's so now we will have budget for this coming this year that we're just started fiscal year, and then we still have credit with the nursery.

Yes.

And then we still have ten thousand dollars that was dead donated.

Yes.

And that person that donated uh contacted me and said, Hey, it's time for me to give you a report to the foundation about what you guys did, and we all be great working with that and the part you guys approved and amended.

He said, sorry, we didn't spend it.

So I explained that to him.

So I explained that to him and he said I was disappointed that he did not know and hadn't been notified that we aren't using his money yet.

He said he also disappointed because he wanted to donate more.

So um I th there are people out there who are care and will donate money because we never even pursued it right to the team is waiting to donate more.

So that's the question is whether or not we'll plant anything this fall or whether or not we are keeping can download his money.

Well it would be nice to be able to I know you struggled keeping the trees alive on Carl Coast here and there.

I don't know I haven't looked closely at the Zelcova and the the locusts that were struggling the most dry water.

Like even getting enough water onto it is still just yeah no matter what you put in fresh plants do not like pressurized irrigation.

No and ninety-five ninety nine degrees isn't always fun and wind either what you have this year.

So yeah no I get it so I was watching UF guys caught it though at least you were trying to the only thing that's hard with those is like and it's just it is what it is for pressurized irrigation will plug up the heads a little bit more so you have more problems with the irrigation even if you have the right tree in place if the head stops rotating or gets plugged up with debris.

Yep you're done it's not putting water where it's supposed to so we have techs watching it closely and catching it when it happens to try to keep water on them.

But yeah no you you did a really good job I watched because I don't buy it every day but um the thought the comment there is just that if we could really get things in earlier and again I agree with you because we're about to lose irrigation water there as well.

And this year is really really bad.

The irrigation water's really bad this year.

So um anyway might even consider than last year again.

So I think maybe this year isn't the time to do it but in early spring and trying to get everything in and then the irrigation water that is coming down at that point it's much better if we could get it there like really around the middle of April somehow would be really cool.

Did you did did you plant the trees or did you have summer haze do all of it?

Okay so they planted too okay.

So it wouldn't be a matter of taxing the city it would just be a matter of making sure that the landscaper got the trees in right around there because the water really gets bad after about July you know so no matter what the snow year so if we could somehow figure out a way to do that I think we'd be see a lot better success too.

Are there any is there anything in the pipeline about alternate water sources that's all under water pressure section so that's nothing to do with us at all.

Are there any uh like upgraded filtration systems or something different that we can invest in on that side of things to help everything that flows after not really we have some of the latest and greatest uh auto flushing filters flush on pressure differential but again the quality of the water coming in something plugged you end up with the stuck on filter and then you're wasting thousands of gallons as well as flooding so it's still just as capable as the amount of text we have to monitor what's going on.

Okay.

More than that there is technology to fix the water yes that according to Jordan Valley Central Utah as far as the last thing I heard anything is way too expensive and they didn't think it was worth it.

That's kind of what that ended up being so when you say it gets bad that's the smell.

No no it's the well the smell is the is the result of the damage that it's doing to your plant I mean it's all the salts it's all of the alkaline it's just the garbage that comes through there and it probably gets worse it's much worse because it's just pulling the bottom of the lake much worse yeah.

Yeah it's it's pretty bad.

So when it smells bad it's even worse.

Yeah you know it's interesting because it used to be because before we had so many people in Draper um you actually had a lot of mountain water that came through the irrigation system and you didn't we didn't switch over to Utah Lake water until the middle of the summer.

Sometimes it was July sometimes it wasn't until August.

And you turn on that water and the minute you turn it on you would know that they switched okay but now unfortunately you know last year wasn't quite as bad because we had a better winter this year not so much snow but it doesn't really matter because you're still well it maybe helps a little bit because we also use the irrigation water on our lawn and again we have the filters and everything but it did it does but even worse is even more than that is just what the alkalinity and the salts do to the plants far enough you know which you can't filter that out.

But even worse is even more than that is just what the alkalinity and the salts do to the plants far now.

You know.

Which you can't filter that out.

Yeah, and well, at least we can't on this level.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, well, and like I said, they said that they could, but it the expense of it is just prohibitive at this point until something either changes or they decide that it is important enough.

Yeah.

And people are willing to pay for it.

I mean it it really is quite limiting.

I know in in our HOA I've finally been able to get into doing transfer lawn to local state water vision.

And that 300 East project that we just did in the entrance, we we have our second set of junipers, and they're now dying.

And so we're having to replace these junipers now.

We're playing the third time because the water is so bad.

And like Taylor said, now that it's fall, like you don't even want to put any plant in a new tree in right now.

And this is the best time to plant.

Yeah.

So it's like only if you've got culinary water watering it.

Yeah.

We're we're set up to not have trees in Draper, basically anywhere that we have PI water.

It's just impossible to keep these things light.

And it's so expensive that it you can't change it to culinary.

It's so expensive.

So what I don't know what the answer is.

I have a question, and maybe you can answer this, maybe you can't.

So, you know, I was here when we didn't have pressurized irrigation systems, which was actually way better as far as I was concerned.

But but it is what it is, right?

Um at what point did Draper decide they were only going to go with pressurized irrigation for everything?

Because before that, I'm guessing that they did not use pressurized irrigation to water anything because they wouldn't have had access to enough of the canals to get all the city pro you know, all the city watered.

I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say you may not know that.

I don't know anything about the dates or anything like that, but I do know that like the decision for PI water is strictly water gross, like that's the areas that have PI are water pro jurisdiction.

Some of water grocer jurisdiction does have culinary though it irrigates off of it.

It's just where which pipes carry water which water where it's been at least 15 years, so more than 20, but the 15 I've been here it's probably been pressurized.

I should say.

Yeah.

But they like I said water growth does have some areas that are on culinary, but are still your water pro for the water, it's just where they have which pipe ring which water doesn't have.

Okay, so when when the pressurized irrigation came in and they changed everything from the ditches, I'm guessing that that's when they just decided okay, this is gonna go here, this is gonna go there.

That's what we're gonna do.

That might be interesting to actually talk to them sometime.

Again, we actually met with them how long ago?

I don't remember.

Yeah.

Anyway, just out of curiosity because that might really revamp how we really do think about planting, and maybe we do discourage anybody that's got irrigation water um could plant in the fall at all.

Don't do it.

And I know the city struggle with this because I've got to have several of the landscapers lately that you know you they're trying to get projects done and then they they turn off the water on you know October 15th.

I think that's what we should do some type of education on things on most residents of probably don't really.

I mean, I know when I put my yard in, it just happened to work out this way, but I ended up being on culinary for the first five years and then I switched over to that was probably really good to get my trees established.

Well, and there are things that you can do.

I have an Alaska Parking type that lives in Harriman and their water is equally as bad as ours.

And their soils are worse for the most part.

Yeah.

So anyway, um, it was interesting because he um he plants things that would never do well on irrigation water ever, ever, ever.

Trees, particularly crate myrtle, if you can believe he's got crate myrtle living in Herriman.

Yeah, and they're beautiful.

I found the picture he would die and go, oh my gosh.

But anyway, what he does is every week to ten days, he literally just flushes those trees with culinary water.

And that's enough to to get the tree.

But you know, that's pretty tough for somebody to run around with either a hose here in Draper.

I mean, you have to be committed you have to really be committed, and of course with the city it wouldn't work, but the residents, I mean, but that would be an option for them, but anyway.

And he says it's enough, you know.

If he'll just you know, he'll just do that once a week, once every ten days.

Once every ten days.

Yeah.

Does the soil drainage?

It actually does.

I mean, he's like I said, if you saw his great myrtle, you'd be going, no way that's not going out there.

But if anybody here were to try to do that, was their law built with correct drainage and enough drainage to actually flush the salts out, or is it just going to kind of float around in the degree?

Yeah, I don't know.

But I'm thinking, you know, he's just specifically doing he's not, you know, broadcasting water all over his yard.

He specifically planted a few oak that he you know that shouldn't live out there.

He's done some other things and living in it probably I think he's probably having about eight years now.

So it's pretty good.

Pretty good test.

We've been through some pretty big drought.

But again, that's specific trees, that's that he's not doing his whole garbage.

So we're proposing that the donation in 10,000 is planted in early spring.

Early spring and um what are the options for locations?

I I'm I'm gonna suggest we we push that to the next meeting and agree to do it in spring.

You know, five minutes left and I'll do a long conversation.

I suggest that everyone do their own little homework here with going around the city and look at different places and seeing what places they would recommend.

I don't I think it's uh you know, because sometimes we come in here and like trying to make a decision like what we can public right here.

So let's do a little homework the trees for the that we all already have in the nursery what's going on in a spot for those as well.

How many coming out?

Close to per me eight and less.

Depends on uh between thirty to forty depending on the size of the type of tree.

Wow.

Is there any kind of map that shows where PI and where culinary?

You can get a roundwater.

And actually west of the west of the freeway is all culinary.

Basically, there's a there here and there there's some culinary, it's kind of mixed on island drives, but basically between the I-15 and island is PI.

Okay, yeah, and West is okay is culinary.

I think originally they just didn't have the um sort of word I want.

Just the resources to get it to the west side, and so the money was spent to get it to the east side because there wasn't as much development out there.

But I know that because of all the projects that we've landed, you know, we can landscape material to because it's first thing out of my mouth.

Yeah, what kind of butter are you on?

So yeah, that's it.

I will normally buy Troy org.

Okay.

Um thing that I think also will table till next time that is we used to talk quite a bit about city entrances and unification of city entrances, and when we talk about now actually having budget, we never had budget before.

Um thinking about where we can plant trees and that's something I think we ought to look at as well is some of our city entrances.

You know, just did a beautiful job at that if it wasn't there.

Um tree medium.

Exactly.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, you know, when you get into Walgreens, you know, so there's lots of areas where we can use it's okay, definitely.

I'm sure we could use that budget very quickly to some couple of things.

So one question I have, Marion is in situations like that where Walgreens, for example, there used to be trees all along that um west side uh the building of orchard and now they're they're gone.

Uh but there is the rest of the street.

Uh I know it's city-owned property that they're supposed to maintain.

So could the city actually plant trees?

I don't know about that, but they are bound by the code to do stuff and they will be cited and eventually go to court if they don't comply.

Yeah, I'm just saying the third.

But I will tell you Walgreens if it's a corporate thing, it's the one airman looks even worse.

Oh, really?

It's a corporate thing.

They're just not doing they're not maintained.

That's interesting.

But they're supposed to replace it too or three diarrhea.

Yes, they are they are.

And is it every 30 feet or 40?

Do you remember that?

Um I think we just updated it to it to be okay.

I know it's different for residential promotion.

Oh green's the owner, not just the tenant.

It is well beans that owns it and I don't think it is I think you're in 3 foot.

Okay, yeah.

And we still have it in our code that they need to keep it plant covered.

Yeah, 50%.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And did you know that West Valley's changed theirs to 75%?

Oh.

They don't want the rock any route because they're getting a lot of it out.

Yes, they are.

Yeah.

And so they just changed theirs.

Yep.

Yay, West Valley.

Yeah.

So is that um in process of the Walgreens thing?

Okay.

But like Todd said, it's you have to give them 30 days to comply, second notice.

I mean it just it takes months.

Yeah.

So I don't expect anything orders for you.

Well, I did notice their water was back on.

Air mini water back on.

Yeah, the big joke was they're building the target and the dust and someone's up and take some of the water trucks and go the heron to Walgreens because they they have put the water on inherent.

Oh yeah.

Oh, have they too?

I haven't I don't go by the Herman, I just go by the other one.

It may be corporate in the sense that they're not sure enough to to make sure to push the landlords, but it was clearly a landlord problem, right?

I talked to the store managers and they were actually saying they were going out of water and stuff by hand um because they were a little disappointed in the and who knows if they just said that to me, but um this is the second time there's been a serious water problem that water.

This is much worse than first way.

About five years ago their their back flow is never blown out, so it exploded.

Seriously, it's that's not a huge costly.

Obviously, that's that landlord doesn't care.

Just probably just a blank thing.

So by not maintaining it actually increases the cost.

You put that up on, didn't you?

Because when we were trying to do that, I didn't remember.

I think it's just well green time on that one.

I think so.

Exactly.

Okay.

Um great.

I think we're we're done for today.

Uh any other business we can push to uh next meeting.

Do we have a motion to adjourn?

Also.

Okay.

Thanks everybody.

Thank you.

Yeah, everything's so excited for when they cover it.

I have a stuff we're just to do.