Alright, I'll call this my meeting to order.

Every the whole game.

Welcome.

Right.

First item.

Are we doing?

Are you doing it?

Yes.

You're doing a recap of three days.

Recap.

David Wilkes, minus Ms.

Trovert, who is six.

Time is yours, sir.

280 cars in the car show.

Wow.

That's big.

Draper Days 2025 graphic summary.

We can start with attendance first.

Who came to Draper Days?

This year for the three days at Draper City Park, that's Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.

We had a total attendance of 43,100 people.

The smaller number here represents last year's numbers.

So last year we had about four to five thousand people.

This year we had about 43,000 people, so 2,000 fewer.

That's good than last year.

If you look at the breakdown Thursday night, we had about 6,000 people in the park.

Compared to last year, that's a significant increase.

Last year we had about 4,000 this year.

We had six, so quite a big increase at our attendance Thursday night at Drake Days.

Thursday night at Draper City Park is the night of the car show and the children's fight break.

Both events were well attended.

The car show we think had more uh entrance entries than any other time.

We had 280 cars participated in the creek.

We had both sides of the creek filled, and that as far as we know is the largest that that you had.

So great numbers on Thursday.

Friday, we ended up with about 9,000 people.

Last year we had about 15,000, so a significant decrease.

This is the rainbow.

That's the rain out, though.

Absolutely.

That's true.

Pretty good attendance.

And if you consider that the majority of the attendance takes place after 8 o'clock, and that's about the time we called it.

So I think it would be safe to prognosticate that we would have a larger number, probably if we would have had if we would not have had the cancellation.

Saturday night we counted, uh I should say our analytics platform tells us that we had about 28,000 people at Draper Park Saturday.

That is actually more than what we had last year for Saturday.

So although overall our attendance is off about 2,000, our attendance Saturday was actually greater than what it was last year.

I agree.

Yep.

Saturday and Thursday.

And we are really happy with Thursday.

Thursday, we have most of the activities that take place during Draper Days on the West Side are all going on.

So all those activities are going on.

In terms of where the uh attendees came from, the zip codes.

This year about 40% of the attendees came from Draper City zip codes, about 20% from Sandy.

Those numbers are aligned with uh last year, and then other smaller numbers like the surrounding municipalities.

Average time, the average time and attendee spins at Draper Days is about two hours.

That's actually gone up.

I think what we're finding is families are spinning a little bit longer there because we've got some great activities.

Average spin time.

Here's some notables for the event.

Um for the horse pole, that's the Monday after the rodeo.

We had uh fantastic um attendance.

The Utah Horse Pole Association that puts that event on, they tell us that it is the best attended horse pole in the state of Utah.

They brag about that on the face page, so it was well attended.

We have a lot of ancillary activities at that event.

We had a climb wall, petty zoo, pulling rise.

We had a drum perform at the halftime, but the record attendance of the horse pole was great.

We had a popular new stunt dog show, the extreme dog stunt team.

Um really what we see.

We estimate that we that 4500 to 5,000 people saw that show.

Um where did she find them, Dave?

I went to the Utah State Fair last year and I saw them.

Utah State Fairs.

This week starts this week.

So I saw them at the state fair and got a little book.

They're out of Canada.

I don't put them out of Canada.

But really popular, a lot of fun.

Of course, that's good act.

They were a classy act.

We talked about the car show participation.

Did anyone attend that?

So a lot of fun getting the cars parked.

We learned a lot there.

We opened up the second bike valet location.

That was well received.

Both the bike valet locations were full on both nights.

So really well received.

Firemen's breakfast was moved from Smithfields to Draper Park.

Although I did not attend, I heard it was well attended.

It went several hours past what it was anticipated.

And then the frontman, um Rhett's main entertainment on Saturday night was well received.

I think that's evidenced by the large turnouts.

Some numbers of the booth spaces, booth spaces are important because after sponsors, boost spaces, booths are the number one driver of revenue for the event after sponsorships and earlier.

We had 188 booth spaces at Draper Days, that's more than last year.

80 of those were handmade.

About 47 were business vendors.

Business vendors spend about $350 per space.

Handmade vendors spend about 125 dollars per space.

We had 32 spaces dedicated to sponsors, 26 food vendors, 26 is more than what we've ever had at DrayPodase.

And three government entities who took booths.

Were the food vendors happy with the sales?

Great question.

They were happy, and all the food vendors are professional food vendors.

They attend all the major events in the valley and the state.

So in context of all the events, they were very happy with food data.

Anecdotally, the food vendors tell us that all the events were down this year in terms of sales.

So they were happy with Draper Days, although they report generally soft sales at all the events.

Well, Friday impacted it.

Sure.

Absolutely.

Friday was a big impact.

We could just scoot that up and purple.

Total expense, total income, and the net with our income.

Our income was down.

Our income was down 5%.

Our sponsorships were down 9%.

Last year they were $96,000.

This year they were $88,000.

Couple reasons we think for that.

First is just one interesting thing is the number of big sponsors, top sponsors.

The top five sponsors last year gave us a combined income of $70,000.

The top five sponsors this year only gave us an income of about $30,000.

Last year we had podium, they gave us $30,000.

We had no $30,000 contributor.

Last year we had Water Pro give us $15,000.

We had no $15,000 contributor this year.

Water Pro gave us 10,000.

Price development gave us $15,000 last year.

They gave us nothing this year.

So the other interesting thing is the number of sponsors.

Our sponsor numbers increased 70%.

Last year we only had 33 sponsors.

This year we had 56 sponsors, those were cash sponsors.

That's an increase of 70%.

They were giving us increments of $1,000, $2,500.

We did not have the big dollar donors.

Again, no podium walking in with the 30 grand.

Despite gaining many more sponsors in 2025, total sponsorship amount decreased by approximately 90%.

We've already talked about the top five sponsors playing the role in that.

Our rodeo income was down 20%.

57,000 that's due to podium.

Podium last year not only gave us the 30,000, they also purchased $8,000 worth of rodeo tickets that allowed us to add the third night last year.

This year we did not have the third night.

Hence our lower intake there.

Vendors were the only one that the income was up.

Income is up on vendors almost 30%.

Sports tournaments were down almost a quarter, almost 25%.

I will not speak for Red, other than to say that one of their big tournaments is the softball tournament.

That's on Friday night.

They had to refund all that money because that was cancer.

In addition to that, Reddit added another uh event.

The disc golf was a novel event.

So his uh he's got to build that up.

Um take a few years.

Uh Drake Riddle was off, and the parade was off.

Our top 10 expenses.

Um stage rental, that's our top expense for Draper Day, $60,000.

The frontman, which was Saturday nights main performance, about $32,000.

The tenth rentals.

Diamond tent and then about the same amount you spent.

$32,000.

Fireworks.

It's a great fireworks presentation.

Saturday night is the best ever.

Circle J Rodeo that puts on the Rodeo Forest $24,000.

Uh generators light towers, Portage John's, about $13,000 each.

The crew merchants.

Yeah, it's like what's the Friday night in between the $12.

And the Canine stunt team was about $10,000.

That was our major outgoes.

So we have our work cut out next year.

We can reduce costs and increase our income.

So that's a rule.

Uh the parade was great this year, no injuries.

Uh any questions I can answer.

I just heard comments from people that the parade was the best one that they had here in Bruce the Great.

We had some great bands.

We had uh a drum core from Alta High School.

We had the Liona marching band.

We had the uh the Scottish bagpipers had like great.

I think people love those if we can keep them coming.

Great.

This year we added the uh phone machine to the very last uh intrusion, which was a lot of fun.

So we are trying to work out a amphitheater performance of the group markers that they got paid somewhere along the line.

So hopefully we'll have a chance for people to hear it.

Or just bump them the next year too at this point, right?

Can we keep them?

They still got paid 12,000 bucks, so we'd like them to do something for the 12,000.

Would they come next year?

Or do we have to pay them again?

I think we have to pay them again.

Yeah, probably their contract states that you'd have to pay them again.

We'd have to ask red.

It depends on the contract.

Great.

Thank you.

Thanks, David.

Great job, David.

That was a really super many.

Thank you.

Calmer than usual.

Mayor, all right.

Next is our cooley.

Can I have two minutes, Mayor?

I was gonna grab you at the start before.

I just wanted to take a minute.

Nick, if you'll stand up.

I wanted to introduce you guys to Nick Roble.

He is our new uh he's the part-time position you approved this year in the budget for emergency management.

So I wanted you to be able to see the face and know the name that goes with it.

Um Nick has been on two weeks now.

Is that correct?

And he has been very hard at it.

Um, and our to my staff meeting this morning.

Um, the update from Nick took the the bulk of our meeting this morning.

No, I'm just kidding.

Uh he is he has jumped in with with both feet.

He has a lot of uh expertise and background um to get us moving in the right direction as far as emergency management.

But um, I asked him if maybe had a few minutes just to step in there tonight because I felt it was appropriate uh for you guys to be able to see the face and the name that goes with it and know um that we're we're moving forward in emergency management.

He's housed here um at City Hall, he's in the cubicle that's right out inside of Nicole's office.

So um obviously if you're around and see him around, that's that's who this new employee to the city is.

So he was able to see him.

So that's 715 this morning.

If I remember the sound of the door with my sickness, Kelly's sick.

That's not Kelly.

All right, Nick, thank you.

I appreciate you taking some time to come in, have a good rest of your night.

All right, Mr.

Cooley, sir.

All right, thank you.

So uh we've been working on uh our transportation master plan, the projects that are listed in that plan over the past decade, and we've made a lot of progress.

We're getting down to the harder projects, and I wanted to review one with you because in the past this has not been a popular one to pursue.

We kind of just need to know whether the council council wants to do it or whether we should take it off the master transportation plan.

This is 134 south.

What this would provide is a valuable connection between 1300 East and Warp Street.

Right now, uh it is blocked here.

The city actually owns the right of way, but there's no improvements there that connects uh the east side of the room.

There's a little dirt trail.

There is a little path goes right through.

So and I've talked to uh there's also some drainage issues on 134 south that we would like to fix uh by putting a storm drain line in there.

Uh so anyway, that's just something to think about.

This is where the the connection ends.

This is the east side, and this is the west side.

So there is a dirt trail that connects the two.

Uh if we did this project, we could do it as minimally as possible by just adding enough asphalt to get us a 26 foot wide lane that would require some asphalt here and some asphalt here.

Uh we could add some drainage improvements.

We own that stuff up there towards okay.

Yeah, so the right-of-way lines are roughly right here on the north side and here on the south side.

Oh wow.

So it jogs.

Uh I can't right here.

I think it comes out to here.

So that orange thing's a shipping container, by the way.

In case you're wondering one of the many.

So I know uh in the past we brought this up and there hasn't been an appetite to do it.

We can keep it on the master transportation plan, we can take it off of the next one, or we can start working towards doing this project.

What's the cost?

I have no idea.

I mean, it just depends on how aggressive we get with it.

We could do uh curb and gutter improvements.

We have curb and gutter on a lot of this in here and on some of this over here.

Uh but there's a lot that we could do if we want minimally, it wouldn't be a huge cost if we uh and storm drain would pay for all of the storm drain costs out of our stormwater impact fee.

So uh we could do it fairly cheap.

Would we have to acquire any more property?

We don't know.

I'm not for the minimal project.

What are the drainage issues?

We just there's no storm drain, so it's just flooding.

Yeah, it just run off on these houses.

I don't think any of the houses but their property goes spotted.

Like when we had the 500 year storm, did we have any flooding here?

That's a good question.

There's I think just about everywhere flooded to my recollection.

So we I just need to get a feel for is there an appetite for it.

Do you want more information to make a decision?

Or is there really an appetite?

I'm okay the way.

I know police and fire would love to have a connection.

Um I support a connection.

I support connectivity.

I think we'd like to do it minimally invasive if possible, but I think we benefit from having more connectivity throughout the city, especially with the place of fire.

You a connector?

I'm yeah, I mean I remember when this was purchased by the city.

We might go.

He left, I don't know.

Well, that's for connect.

Okay, this will be a hot button for those.

It will be hot, so I'm just telling you this is gonna be really hot.

It'll be it it will.

Uh but nothing that we do.

So we always jump into the fire.

Every project about traffic and not open up other.

That's there's a price to pay for all of this, you know.

Well, the drainage is a big issue that I wasn't aware of.

So you're so to be clear for it.

Not necessarily the curb and gutter with the storm drain.

Well, I think why would we not?

I think you almost need the curb and gutter with the storm.

We can do turbo gutter on one side, we could do it on both sides.

Uh yeah, it would for the forest.

It would be very helpful.

So we have money for it, right?

Stormwater curbs.

So uh that's a stretch, but it is part of the drainage system.

We've done a bare stretch.

Yeah.

So is a curve and getter elsewhere on 134?

Yes, there is some spots.

Yeah, there are areas where people traveling west and they come to this dirt path.

Do they use these guys' driveways to the other?

Yeah, there's a right here, it's like a one way right here.

It chucks down there.

Not there's nothing right here.

So there's a shipping container over there.

Oh, really?

Been there a long time.

Inconspicuous.

Alright, so uh do you want us to consider the more than just the minimal improvements or just the minimal improvements?

I don't think that's gonna change the outcry.

No.

Maybe you do the minimal and just get your toe in the water and then just we can uh without the curb together.

It it won't really do much uh without the curb and gutter, so we have a little bit on the east end of that would be a benefit.

Uh there is some storm drain about here that everything drains to here, but I'll have to look at I'll have to look at it in more detail.

If we do the curb veteran sidewalk here about it all the time, it expands the project, so it's gonna be taking more of that land out.

Correct.

Yeah, is there even running for sidewalk?

Not on both sides, but with how close the ready up here to condemn some property?

Uh I don't think we'd condemn, but we would have to purchase.

I mean, hopefully we wouldn't have to condemn.

Maybe we would.

But you know, the w this all happened.

Marsha, you were on the planning commission when the property owner on the west portion of that he did a a land swap with the city so that he could build on another lot, and that land swap is what opened up 134 with the intent to connect.

Yeah, but before that there was the intent.

Not never connect.

But that'll open up response time for all of our public city.

Do we know if kids use that to walk to and from the mayor uses it almost every day, right?

Do you have any?

Well, I've always been frustrated with the connection east-west.

So another road like for instance, right recently when you had 138 closed.

That was a pain.

And if you forget, you get going that way, you forget.

It's nice to have another option.

Well, and opening up by the school, that helped I think that's a good thing.

Oh, it's um and the connectivity obviously for a response has already been mentioned, but inevitably when you get something on a lane like this, inevitably you get bad information that sends you to the wrong side, and that costs significant time in response.

So minimal So I guess the question is can you fix the flooding issues without no needs to have curve better and sidewalk to address the flood.

So with the minimal section, we'd just be talking about connectivity to really address the plotting issues.

We would have the curve 134 or 43.

Yeah, if you're gonna I mean we're gonna go to the expense, let's do it right.

And we have money set aside.

No, it's not we do not have money for this.

It we'll get started on it.

I thought you did.

I thought you said for the storm drain.

Oh, we have money that we can draw from for the storm order, yes.

But that won't fix it when we just want to keep it on the plan as a full improvement.

Yes, and start working on it.

Start working on, you know, we'll get it surveyed.

So with so that we can get a cost.

Right now, we really don't have a cost.

Prices are going down a little bit, which is very good, actually.

Well, I think at the very least we should look at short, just do the minimal for connectivity.

Okay.

I'd do the sidewalk.

So we'll we'll get the whole thing surveyed and we'll get some layouts and then we'll see what it looks like, what the impact will be.

I really can't tell you to we get it.

And maybe you could fix that just on one side.

Yeah, just one on one side, just in the other.

I think there is sidewalk, isn't there on the west portion?

There's sidewalk over here.

There's a curve right there.

Yeah.

Well downs forever.

Yeah, there's curve.

I think there's a sidewalk on the other side.

And there's sidewalk, I believe, over here.

And is there a sidewalk anywhere on the other side?

No, no, there's nothing.

It's it's fairly encroached on.

There's one area that's pretty encroached in the city right away.

So it'll be a fun project.

Almost as fun as 4 street.

When do we do it?

Connecting.

Do you how do you feel about connecting?

We all had to wave in way in of during your absence here.

Do it.

Just after November 2nd.

What do you say?

Do it after November 2nd.

Oh, yeah.

It'll be a long time out.

It won't be next year, possibly the year after.

So connectivity is important.

Connectivity is really important.

If only for emergency response time.

Alright.

Okay.

Thanks, Gott.

I have uh council manager report items.

We're at that point.

That's there.

Why don't you go ahead with that?

We have been working over the past twelve years or so on our engineering standards.

And it's been a very long and arduous task.

We have just about got them ready to bring before you.

So what I'm thinking of doing is for doing a Halloween work cost is more.

I've thought of some entertaining ways, but none of it seems very good.

Uh I'm thinking of just preparing a packet that you can review.

Uh, and then if you have any questions, I can just ask the questions, but engineering is not typically a highlight anyone staying to talk about brainless.

It might be an exception.

Uh I think what we do is very interesting, by the way, but not everyone should uh thus you have you've got me in the palm of your hand right now.

Yeah, all right.

So I'm just gonna show you one.

Uh the about three years ago, you may remember the light at the legislature that there were developers trying to get uh the cities to reduce their city cross sections for roads.

Um the name of the housing crisis.

Every time.

Uh so I had some discussions with David.

I don't recall if we ever brought this before you and discussed it.

I we may have, I don't remember, but we talked about reducing our local road cross section.

For one, we actually need to increase the asphalt width by a foot in order for our roads to be uh compliant with the fire code.

Amazingly, we're a little bit short.

Uh but we're gonna it's there, yeah.

So we would increase uh the the actual asphalt from 25 feet to 26 feet, and we are talking about uh increase or decreasing the park strip from 10 feet to six feet.

Now we don't have to do this.

This is uh a matter of at the same time back in the day when we were discussing it.

Well, we're still in a drought situation, so a lot of people are not wanting large grass park strips that they have to water and maintain.

So this would reduce that park strip obligation and maintenance burden on on homeowners that buy their homes on these streets.

I'll add to that.

Um street tree down to have at least five feet of width, so six feet would allow street trees to continue.

Um it would not be wide enough for grass.

So our code would not allow people to grass down.

Two seven.

Yes.

So it can be so they could have grass.

Yes, six feet they could be.

Wow.

We know that's so amazing.

We can have a tree, but not grass.

So like where we've had the tree issue up on Timani Road and stuff.

That that park strips like six feet.

Okay, that's five.

So then they can and that would be the minimum.

Now that that subdivision predates our part code.

Um on the grass, you have to have at least eight feet in width in order to have grass, and that's because you water that with the overhead uh sprinklers, so if it's less than eight feet, you're watering concrete as well as the grass, so it's not efficient to water.

But then you have six feet of rock, so really is where they can put other plants.

Yeah, this is really where everyone's going.

It's a local skating.

Don't think rock.

I know that's what I think, but most people don't do that with the escape, and so we need to educate them.

Yes.

I have I'm just having a class because we had three committee today.

So here's here's the thing.

Right now, our massive transportation plan calls out our Valley Local Roads is 60 foot wide for the total right away.

We would propose to change that to 53 with this configuration, reducing the park serves to six feet.

If that's what you want to do.

If it's not, we'll just keep it the way that it is, and there won't be any change to the transportation plan needed.

Um and I'm fine either way.

I don't I don't really care.

No, I think this is good because it pushes people to the water wise landscaping, which is kind of what we're supposed to be doing, right?

Theoretically, yes, we are.

And educate on the right trees that they put in so we don't have you know the sycamores that are part of the sidewalk.

So is this something that most of you want to do?

Uh does this 53 foot road solve the housing crisis?

I don't think there's any reason not this with a magic bullet.

Save a foot on each side in reality.

Like I said, I just create problems.

Well, you've just given them seven more feet.

Yeah.

Make more development.

Bigger houses on smaller lots to solve housing prices.

I'm just warming up sure.

You go on at 720.

I do I do like the 26 foot width.

Anyone not want us to do that?

Okay.

That's a we got.

I got one thing I wanted to start with.

I've met with uh Gary Freed.

Random met with him before.

I think some of you have met with Gary.

Gary has a very cool idea, and I think in wanting to do a museum type building on our our some of our ten acres that we have going um east from City Hall.

I met with him, he's super fired up about it, and you know, he's certainly a person, he's not gonna do a bake sill to try and raise the money, and he's like legitimately capable of raising money, it's not cookies and and pies.

Um but I told him he was he was really getting wound up about it, and he's got like an architect and all of it, and I said, Well, whoa, well the council's got to decide what if anything they want to do, how you want to do the 10 acres.

So I I don't we have to decide it tonight, but I'd like to put it down for like a half hour, 45 minutes to go over if what do you want to do with that property?

Is that something you'd want to do?

Do you want to do some joint venture with with them?

They would they would want to do the building, which when you presented to me was we would contribute the land, they would do the building, you know, we would own it, but ultimately he's got some good ideas.

I mean, it's actually one of the cooler.

Is it more than just a museum though?

Not really.

Um, so I talked kind of had a meeting with him after that with you with the architect.

And we all talked about that we wanted more community space there.

So I think it would be more than just the museum that he would present to us.

But you gotta decide all of you what you want to do.

Because it uh you know, his part would take up you know three or four acres or so, but it could incorporate into the station area plan that's approved in there with that density of retail all of it.

But I just wanted to find a meaning where we could talk about that item for a while, and um we can even have him come present his concept so you can see what he's talking about.

But well, I think we've all talked quite a bit about it being some sort of a civic use where you could have large meetings or basketball tournaments and a place to display visual art and maybe hold performing art concerts.

I told you I don't want just a museum.

I want it to have multi-use.

I told him if there was no money to operate it from the city or and no money from the city to build it.

We would only be able to contribute land and they'd have to operate something like you're talking about, that's significant operational cost.

So that's what I want to talk about.

It's your money, your land, whatever you want to do with it.

But this dude's all down the tracks quite a ways with the architect and a concept, and he's passionate about it.

Gary's certainly very capable of achieving achieving it, but you guys gotta decide what you want to do.

I just think there's a little bit of risk in only doing a museum, right?

And we're losing three acres and we're not getting that civic use that we've really that we really bought the property for, right?

So when when you you get if we put it on for a study meeting a couple, then we can do it.

Oh, it's insurance.

What's that?

I was thinking I was thinking first part of the year we could do it maybe in a retreat type add added into talking about it, where you hear what he's put his con I mean I think you just I think maybe you're willing to wait that long.

I mean, I think you just I think maybe you're willing to wait that long.

Sure.

He had no choice.

You can wait.

I mean, well, you he can wait till tomorrow, or what's he gonna do?

Does it own the land?

Doesn't have the money.

It's your land, so yeah, he's gonna wait till you're ready.

I mean, if he's willing to raise the money to build what we want, yes, that is a huge win.

I just don't want to say go build a museum, and then we suddenly don't have room for this major civic center that we've really wanted to prioritize.

The meaning that I want to have the architects there and they're willing to do, you know, envisioned.

Oh, yeah, we are.

They're willing to draw it out.

Absolutely.

It's funding as the downside.

If very is willing to raise 50 million or sixty million.

I'm willing to call it the Gary Free City, you know.

But it has to encompass all of those uses.

And they're willing.

And and that's the meeting they said, we just need to know what you guys want and we're ready to start it.

Well, how are they gonna know unless we meet with them and share it all?

Right.

And that's what they want to do.

Well, I think we have a meeting as a council to talk about what you want on it before we talk to him.

If you say you want a civic center so it's gonna be then we can talk to him.

He may not want to do that.

I don't know.

They are okay to do that.

Well, let's talk about it amongst the five of you for and come up with what you want.

Be thinking about that now so that we're prepared when we meet skating.

You want to do it like oh, we do one in Goover January.

We would send it in sooner out here.

I just told them to quit to put uh running so hard down the tracks until the council told them what to want to do what they want to do.

That'll be my I mean there'll be two new council members, so they may want to have that say in there.

Um the other thing is we we interviewed a uh wait, why are there maybe two?

Might not even be one.

Doesn't there should be two?

Oh, excuse me.

Oh, I'm sorry, I've got 102 fever.

Sorry, I didn't know that's wow.

No, no, no, no.

I might be gone.

You can put it on.

We're not gonna need the right show and write red and I retract that statement.

At least one new councilman.

Um then the what was the other thing?

Oh we had an opportunity to I'll pick someone I want to appoint as our HR director.

Do you guys want to meet with them before?

And if you do, I've got like set it up as soon as possible.

Like I said, I support you what you decide.

Any of you want to meet with them?

That's always nice if they come and have dinner with us, you know, just so we can meet them a little bit.

Logistically would be better if you want to meet with them on setup meeting.

It's also trying to move they might have a job and we don't want to interfere with correct.

If you want to meet with them, we'll set up time for you.

As long as you want to be buying if you've met with them and stuff.

Marcia, do you want to meet with them?

Sure.

Okay.

Sure.

Those three want to meet.

Okay.

Okay, that was all I have.

You should meet with the if you set up, you're gonna have to do it to another meeting.

So I was gonna say we need at least two meetings.

Yeah.

Then we could be in the next week.

I already want that.

Yes.

Yeah, next week.

Assuming we can strike a deal beyond.

I don't know what way.

There's not a lot of time, so yeah, we'll put it together.

Okay, just going back to I want to go back to Draper Days for one second.

Yeah.

The one thing that I still have as a priority is having the majority of the attendees be from Draper.

I'm glad we had 40% of the attendees from Draper.

I'd really like to see that over 50%.

I I think that should be a top three priority.

How do we do that?

I mean, I I I get what you're saying when I'm trying to figure out how do we increase Draper attendance versus Sandy or River to Draper involvement, like get people to participate.

Volunteers.

Yeah, I think we've been doing a good job of highlighting local bands and having local kids perform, and I think it's going the number is going up.

I just want that to continue to be a focus of Draper Days.

We're spending all of this money.

It's driven taxpayer dollars.

We want Draper taxpayers at Driver Day.

I don't describe, I'm just asking like what what do you think are the things we can do to help?

I don't want to advertise it outside of Draper.

I think we've done a better job with that.

And we have that too.

Sandy's always gonna be aware of it at least.

Maybe we do a priority layer picnic blanket down and we push that out to Draper residents.

You can prioritize seating for Draper residents.

I don't know how you would safeguard it, but at least you could say I don't know I'm just throwing out your charge.

Yeah.

It's hard but I just think it should be in the back of our minds as we look forward I'm actually glad to see it's as high as it was 'cause sometimes I have my impression it was even lower than that.

Forty percent is better than it's been but I'd like it to be even more than that.

Because yeah that it's our celebration.

Right.

And maybe that's getting more involvement from the schools and more kid if you get the kids here the parents come, right?

I know it's summer but sixty percent when you had our nearest neighbor it's pretty much our two cities mostly building.

Yeah and I think Sandy's gonna come I mean it's right here.

Maybe volunteers along with the programming the idea to the park.

I think the um the events we have like not having the all of the fair type rides helps keep it more local too.

Yes.

Well I know there was BYU students not from Utah who came to it because they had heard so many great things about it.

So I think there's a reputation I think you've got this group of like young adults, teenagers and they go from you know that to that to event to event um so I think if that's spreading then I think you're gonna get you know just going to be a little bit well if we wouldn't cancel Friday night the witness would have been record break when we're no advertising outside of the city still record breaking attendance.

I do think having the local rock you and those groups the local performing arts groups doing their shows on the children's stage I think that's bringing in a lot of those draper handles.

If that's how you do it we just need to keep promoting the Draper idol to be a part of that that 180 when you really look at it is what we've always been spending roughly um even when there were supposedly more you know sponsorship we were always contributing at least that plus time from fire public safety public boards.

So I think it helped with line up pretty on the cost but I actually really appreciate the fact that we have more donors more small number of donors and more local donors, you know then they're personally invested they're gonna come we charge more for booths if we want to raise more money you could do some of that but we're not losing money too.

I mean that's the thing is this is just to provide a an event for us I kinda like that one night fireworks show that was on steroids but people loved I mean maybe we can just go to one night fireworks not two.

I would be okay with that.

That steroid level show is pretty awesome.

So in order to do what you want to do you have to change this from a public good to a toll good so you would sell tickets and then you offer a draper discount for a draper that's how you can afford but you can't control the crowd we can't control the club and economic incentive though.

We have no points in I mean we have a whole year we keep doing all the stuff we're doing.

Do you have anything else?

I mean that's um I was just gonna say I think we're all fairly close to consensus on the Civic Center.

I think we could probably talk about it for a half an hour and study session.

I don't know if we need to push it until January in a retreat whenever you want to talk about it.

Next week next meeting just put it on the agenda for study and we can talk about it.

And I agree we should talk about it amongst ourselves before we talk with Gary.

Let's let's get down the list of our top ten things we want to see at the Civic Center.

We didn't weigh it out so we see how much space there is like developable space like how much the 10 acres could you know with all the roads and whatever needs and parking parking for different users I've seen maps of that before as part of the stationary plan.

Yeah it's like I don't think this is out of the wood.

Like we've already kind of narrowed it down there.

I think you want to jump on that why the iron's hot too while Gary's motivating she could have two meetings she could like get it laid out for you and put another two meetings of October October half hour and put that right anybody else have anything we have 15 minutes before just got one thing um if unless council member has anything um I heard that Joel Ryder's throwing rocks down on our open space for the trail.

Oh Joel, I didn't see you there the guy something to say do you have a public meeting where we can make it might as well take take a couple of years we don't need yeah we'll we have good I knew what you were doing.

I knew what you were doing.

Yeah, so we did talk to the contractor and our uh they said that they did not intentionally do it.

It's just what they said.

Uh we said, well, you can't do that anymore, and you're gonna have to figure out if you're gonna have to remove the rocks that unintentionally or intentionally roll down the hill.

Or uh and we don't have another four, but we just said that worship in consideration of that, but until they figure something out, which they said they're gonna install berm, an urban burn up top that will prevent that from happening accidentally anymore.

Uh so we're still working on it or working with parks and rec to to verify whether or not we want them getting down there to remove the rocks, or whether we're gonna just have to weave it.

So either way, we'll we'll be working internally with Wiggle and whoever else to just determine what needs to happen with that contractor.

So we also go ahead.

Yeah, so earlier today, Linda and I were having a discussion regarding how we deliver the the um bi-monthly newsletter to residents.

Um cost apparently is fifty five thousand dollars uh for printing and postage for six issues.

Um now we're talking about options of uh electronic delivery.

Um with I guess with caveat knowing that there are gonna be members of the community where you want a piece of paper, you know, a paper uh newsletter in their hands.

Um I guess we're just looking maybe looking for ideas, Linda, if you've got anything at to that.

Yeah, um I was thinking to gauge public interest.

Maybe in the next couple of issues we could put a little ad that says you know, we're considering going strictly digital on the Draper Forward newsletter if you feel you know strongly about keeping a print um issue coming, you know, respond to this yes or no and have a link or an NAQR code so people can respond that way.

And also possibly doing like a limited print of a few hundred copies to still distribute to the senior center, the library, and city hall as we've been doing, so that we have a place to point people if they really want to to get that.

Um we could also consider I have not talked to the county, but uh programs like Meals on Wheels, trying to reach homebound people, we might be able to partner with them to send copies, you know, along with their routes and people who are homebound.

Um but it's just such a big expense and it keeps creeping up every year that um it would be interesting for us to know how many people are actually you know only seeing it in their mailbox and not to be notified Draper and the other channels that we distributed on.

I think we should probably do that study first, then we can come back with that information to it would be nice if there were a way for people to opt into a paper copy.

Yeah.

Because I think there is a portion of our residency that really do rely on the mail copies.

And would they be willing to pay like four dollars a year or five dollars a year for the paper copy?

That sounds great.

I just hate to miss them.

I think expensive.

There's a sadness in those reserves.

Right, I agree.

Yeah, sometimes you just want to sit down with that.

You know, even when you're campaigning, there's some people that meet you at the door with your flyers, you know.

Could you I'm sorry to interrupt you?

No, you're good.

Um could we send it out electronically and measure the open rate?

I mean, still do the printed in mail because it's not gonna cost us anything to send it out.

And you can at least see what the open rate is on how many people are actually opening that email and looking at it.

We don't currently have a platform that majors open rate, so we would have to subscribe.

There's something there would probably be something like constant contact.

Yeah, but it won't I don't think it'd be that expensive to subscribe to that.

At least if you're doing a campaign on that.

Yeah, I guess it would depend on the number.

We talked about subscription.

Um just trying to keep up with that list, and we didn't know if the post office could mail to a specific list every time it would have to continue to be updated as people come and go and subscribe.

It'll cost more to do it, right?

Yeah, that's what I think.

Do we shrink the size of the change the price?

Um we just don't know if it would have the same value if it was just like a one pager newsletter, is it really worth the cost to do that?

I don't know.

Cheaper paper.

I think the quality of it's nice though.

Yeah.

When you currently have it five times, um six issues a year.

Six is there a way to reduce it to four.

Um we could it is a timeliness.

Yeah.

Even at six issues a year.

You know, we missed uh old news.

So we'll come back.

So there's some recommendations.

There's got there's some services out there that can measure that open rate for us though, that I don't think would be that expensive.

Okay, anybody have anything else?

I do.

Um the tree committee met this morning, and so they talked a little bit about the sycamore concerns.

Um they talked about what would happen when those trees are removed, what can be put back in there.

Um and so I we've we kind of wanted to have some sort of guidelines for um what's gonna happen when those trees are removed, if those trees are removed.

Um because we always talked about not being able to possibly put a tree back in there if it's five feet or or less.

Under five feet.

So if it's exactly five feet, they can put one in there.

Okay.

Um wouldn't they be grandfathered in anyway to replace a tree?

Once they remove the tree, they kind of lose grandfathered status.

But but if it's five feet or larger park strip, they can have trees.

I think the tree list from the tree commission does include shorter or smaller park strips with species.

So if it's uh so I think you you could give the residents that list of of trees appropriate for that size park strip, and then they can decide what species they want to plant.

Um, but about the ones that are removed, um, and they don't want trees.

They can they keep the grass or they have to also remove the grass.

If they have a grass, they can keep the grass.

We'll be replacing the turb of any trees that we take out.

So we'll mulch it and then we'll replace the grass or put grass in where the tree was.

Okay.

Um and then they they are updating the street tree guide to include um specs for fire prone areas, but I think the update one is not on the website, so residents won't don't actually know what trees have been updated.

So they're hoping that they can once they update those, that if the whole thing can be uploaded to the website.

I think it needs to go to the council for approval and then get it off on okay.

Great.

Thank you.

Anyone have anything else?

I'm still getting emails from the woman who is upset about pickleball courts in backyards too close to property lines.

I know you guys have also received emails from Mrs.

Cragan.

I believe other cities have moved forward with some type of ordinance around pickleball courts, like hours or lighting or distance for property boundaries.

I don't know if that's something we have appetite to look into.

If we think this is a pressing concern.

The hours and lighting seems reasonable at a minimum, doesn't it?

Yeah, I think at a minimum just can't be setbacks.

I mean, I know there's someone in Draver who has six pickleball courts in their yard now.

And they're running like pickleball terms.

It's called a on your street.

No, not on my street at all.

I didn't realize it expanded to six.

Yeah, okay.

Well, I mean, it's hard to do setbacks at this point.

You're gonna have all these grandfathered and I I don't know.

I think we should jump on something.

Lights and noise.

Can we is that practical?

Can we look into that?

Yeah, absolutely.

We seem to be if you're gonna build a pickleball court, you're not gonna put it on the property line anyways because you're oh the fence is one of those miles if you want.

Yeah, it's okay.

Come on over, Mike.

I'll show you.

I'm just gonna show up because it's not over number two.

Zero for two.

Oh no, no, that was a I'm just kidding.

Yeah, more yeah, it's the problem is the size of lots here versus park city where they have those where they have like two hundred foot distance off the property line.

I don't they don't have a lot of or that one of these feasible.

Isn't that like 200 feet?

Yeah, that's pretty burning.

And we have a basketball court right on our parking line.

So I don't know you know, like I'm guilty too.

I'm not gonna be able to do that.

But they're not as loud.

Those aren't as loud as Pickleball.

We have noise.

Isn't that why?

Well, that's a good question.

Like, could you say we already have a city quiet hour starting at 10 PM?

This is also applicable to Pickleball courts.

Is that one needs to be said or no?

I think it's our applicability.

Yay!

Somebody maybe the noise ordinance doesn't include that include you know, pickleball play as part of the noise.

They are isn't there a fortune.

I do feel for this really code does have something about lighting parameters.

Um looked at um maximum book handles a property line and shielding of lights.

Um we have got complaints where code of course that was gone out and we've made people adjust their their lights on their airports.

Um I'd have to look at the noise ordinance to see what it says.

I'm not as familiar with that.

Because you got the morning as much of an issue as you do.

That's what I said.

If you can have one that performs the same, it could be there is that would be a moneymaker.

I thought that there was like five minutes, so if you have some more we can bring it up later in there, let's take a break before we go on the Joel.

You still want to talk?

I I would like to get the nice ladies and gentlemen.

I'd like to welcome to our city council meeting this evening.

I'm Mayor Walker.

I'd like to get our meeting started with our call to order.

Our next item on our agenda is an opportunity for the Pledge of Allegiance.

This tonight will be led by our fire chief, Mr.

Clint Smith.

Clint.

You'll join me in place for the pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

Alright, thank you, Chief.

Item three is an opportunity to make general public comment.

We have a couple of public hearing items set later in the meeting.

Five items five through.

If you're here for one of those public hearing items, we ask that you wait until that public hearings called so we can keep our record clear.

But if you'd like to make a general comment to the council on a general item in the city, this is an opportunity to do so.

Um are there anybody is there anyone here?

I have one card on a general comment.

Is anybody like to make a general comment just to get an idea?

Or I have one card, Mr.

Joel Wright.

Um let me give you the rules, and I know Joel, so I'm gonna give him the rules for sure.

Um, we're we're pretty friendly here.

We do have a three-minute clock over here to the right, Joel.

And that is enforced strictly.

Um, but anyway, if you have a comment, just make your comment, give us your name and address, I'll start your time and uh go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Mayor.

My name's Joel Wright.

I live at 15312 South Wing Trace Court in um the Draper, uh, up in the Suncrest area.

Um first I just want to really warmly thank you for serving as city council and mayor.

It's a really hard, thankless job.

I was a bit crazy at one point and thought I could change the world, and I served on the Cedar Hills City Council um after someone quit just for two years and we approved a Walmart, and I still have some PTSD from that experience.

And I still have some PTSD from that experience.

So also I just want to say Draper is in a remarkably well-run city.

There are so many mistakes you could have made in the last little while and you didn't, and then you took some real risks and some real courage to make some right decisions, especially that open space that we have up there.

I mean, I genuinely compare it to like the Louisiana Purchase or Alaska.

I think that was how visionary and how important it was for the future of our community.

And I can't thank you enough.

I I wonder honestly if I'm worthy of that open space.

Um we do consider it somewhat sacred, you know, sort of like people would consider Central Park in in Manhattan or Yellowstone.

We love that open space.

And it's managed so well with just the minimal trails that people can enjoy.

Anyway, so that's why I'm so kind of fired up and worked up.

Uh, Mercer Mountain states first off, they absolutely have the right to build 50 new homes in that area.

And they need to operate in the public easement to build their road and do some other things.

Of course, I don't like it, but of course they have the right to do it.

I mean, I'm there as well, and this has been there for like 20 years, and so it's coming.

But the the shockingly callous disregard that then they get a bunch of boulders and toss them into Mercer Hollow, causing literally decades of ecological destruction.

Furthermore, boulders landing on the trail, they'll be very expensive to remove, and making the trail unsafe because now you have a bike 10 or 20 big boulders that have rolled down a little bit who could roll down and mush some poor bicyclist or person walking on the trail.

I mean, it I know this might sound crazy, but it genuinely makes me happy when I click up for my house at night and I see little light lights and mountain bikers running, or you know, I see the Lone Peak mountain biking team or corner canyon riding by.

It's it's really part of the charm and and joy of that hollow.

And to see that it's already been closed for the entire summer, it might be closed indefinitely or unsafe because they're just trying to save a few dollars is terrible.

I mean, when I was building my own house, we extracted a boulder as big as a minivan, and it cost us a couple thousand dollars to remove it.

It was painful.

I get it.

But I don't believe for a second that that was not intentional.

And it's kind of if they had owned it and said, Yeah, we're trying to save money, let's do it, see what we can.

No, now they're gonna have to pay a lot more to fix the problem than if they'd just been responsible at first.

So I guess my request is, and you guys have already done it, and I love that you've already done it.

Yeah, no more boulders down the hill.

And second, they need to figure out a plan to restore that trail.

I'll be generous.

I would say by no later than June 1st of next year, because they shut it down on June 1st of 2025.

We're gonna give them a whole year to shut down our trail, our entire hollow.

That should be enough time to operate in the public easement.

And yeah, it's gonna cost some money to restore and make it safe.

I don't even know how exactly to do that, but they need to.

Thank you, sir.

Is there anyone else like to make a general public comment?

All right.

Seeing none, we'll close our general public comment period and go to item number four, which is uh item number four B, which is resolution 25-43.

Yeah, well, actually, item 4A is approval of our August 19th, 2025 City Council meeting minutes.

Item 4B is resolution 2543.

It's a resolution appointing David's wiki to the Draper City Tree Commission.

Item 4C is resolution 2545, a resolution approving the second amendment to the water purchase agreement between Draper City and Jordan Valley Water Conservancy District Mr.

Mayor, Miss Waudri.

I move we approve consent items 4A through 4C.

Motion by Ms.

Rodri to approve the consent items.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Second by Miss Lowry.

Any further discussion on those items?

Seeing none, Ms.

Vodry, how do you vote?

Yes.

Lowry?

Yes.

Mr.

Green.

Yes.

Mr.

Lowry.

Yes.

Ms.

Johnson.

Yes.

Approved unanimously five to zero.

Takes us to item number five.

Item number five A.

This is a public hearing.

It's ordinance number 1670.

It's an ordinance of Draper City amending the text Draper City General Plan to add the Draper front runner, Kimballs Lane, and Crescent View Station Area plans.

We'll have our staff report on this by Mr.

Todd Taylor.

Go ahead, sir.

Thank you.

As indicated, this is the adoption of our last three stationary plans.

Um so that map shows where uh the three stations are located.

So Crescent View is up in the northeast corner along the border of Sandy, uh, just south of that is Kimball's Lane, and then on the southwestern portion of the city is the Vista or the Draper Front Runner Station.

And then you can see some aerials here of the uh Vista station and the Kimball station.

As you know, we're on a slightly accelerated timeline for these stationary plans to get them adopted and certified by WFRC by the end of the year uh as required by the state.

We began our community engagement through setting up a stakeholder committee and then moved into holding small group meetings where we reached out to the stakeholder committee and discussed the opportunities and constraints in each of the station areas, and that was held in March of 2025.

We then moved into some design charrettez where we again met with the stakeholder committee and the planning commission in April 2025 and started looking at design concepts for each of these station areas.

Those concepts were revised into some alternative designs that were presented at an open house and an online survey in June of 2025.

And that online survey received 791 responses.

So that feedback was then used to put together the preferred concepts that I will go over today.

But I do want to note that these preferred concepts are just that concepts.

So the exact locations of the buildings, the parking, the open space is again just a concept on these plans.

So first is Vista Station preferred concept.

So some of the principles for the Vista station is to activate the public realm.

As you know, Vista Station area already has the TSD zoning district in place that does not have a maximum density or a maximum height.

So what we're really looking at is you know how to create sort of a community here.

And as those, you know, we still have 1,600 dwelling units that are entitled in this area that haven't been built.

How when those projects come into infill do you create a place?

And so, you know, including uh places for people to gather, uh, you know, socialize and find a sense of community.

Uh another principle is building an east-west pedestrian connection.

Um, so that would be uh there's a proposal for a pedestrian connection over the tracks to connect to the east side.

And uh currently you'd have to walk all the way to uh the south here at Vista Station Boulevard or up to 123rd South to get to the other side of the tracks, and that would provide access to uh the employment centers on the east side.

Another principle is to incorporate small scale retail.

Um you can see that in some these markets that would provide uh you know retail and restaurant opportunities for the future school uh students at the school, future residents, and transit users.

The next principle is to create a green space network, uh, so places for uh people to enjoy some open space, and you can see some of that currently exists on the north side in this park, and you can just see some you know conceptual ideas of how that could uh continue along Vista Station Boulevard.

And then the last one is to integrate adjacent uses to the station area, so that's uh looking at pedestrian improvements and you know along the east side of the tracks to the Jordan River, and then even eventually down to the point development.

Um, another concept uh idea uh that's in this plan is the potential realignment of Vista Station Boulevard north of the Vista station area, which you can see in this bottom right graphic.

Uh, and we really heard from the public that the separating the park is dangerous, and so this plan uh recommends looking into the realignment of that road so that the the park would not be separated by uh the road and the traffic coming into the station area.

This is a uh rendering just showing uh what uh that infill could look like uh with um existing buildings, you know, uh parking areas being uh filled in with new buildings, a pedestrian area, and then a connection to the pedestrian overpass over the over the front runner line.

Now moving on to Kimballs Lane station area.

Um the first principle is manage future transitions and existing agricultural lands.

So we do know that the uh Kimball's Junction Development Agreement has been approved, and that would be for densities of 25 to 27 dwelling units per acre.

And this really calls for just continuing to work on that process and create uh sort of a neighborhood in that location.

The second principle is better let utilize UTO UTA own land, and so you can see here UTA currently has the two parking lots, and this would allow UTA to begin looking at uh potential redevelopment of their one parking area.

Um the next principle is to improve Port of Rockwell trail access and wayfinding.

You know, we heard from the public that it can get confusing here at the intersection of Kimballs Lane and 700 East.

Um the next two principles are about safe routes to schools and filling in sidewalks.

So there currently exists sidewalk gaps on 700 east and Kimballs Lane, and really looking at how we can fill those in and ensure a safe uh pedestrian environment for the students.

And then the last principle is looking at this uh neighborhood down to the south on the east side of 700 east and the south side of the tracks, and uh looking at a plan for the redevelopment of that area and working with that neighborhood to see what their vision is for that that triangle.

So this next graphic is a conceptual uh layout for the uh agricultural land at near Kimballs Lane station.

Um, we asked our consultant to look into you know how the principles and what we heard from the public could be accommodated with the density that was approved by the development agreement, and so this is again one potential way that that layout could occur.

Um this has a density of 25 dwelling units per acre.

It looks at uh one, two, and three bedroom units.

Um, you know, we heard from the neighborhood that they didn't want density right next to their homes, so it steps down Zen City at the edges, and it really looks at creating a neighborhood with uh you know a clear circulation network, sidewalks, front porches, and some meaningful meaningful open spaces.

And then in the right corner, you can see the uh potential UTA redeveloped parking lot site, and then uh another you can also see the dashed line up here that's looking at the potential for straightening 700 or sorry, Kimballs Lane to meet 700 east, and then this is a rendering showing the potential on the uh UTA uh parking lot on long 700 east, and then finally the Crescent View Station.

So uh half of the station area is within Draper City and half is within Sandy City.

Uh, you can see on this map that the majority of the area is you know, established single family neighborhoods, and really the only site that had any potential to even look at was the Harman's Groceries site.

Um what we did or the principles for this uh area are the neighborhood stabilization, so not encouraging infill that's not appropriate with the existing single-family housing, allowing future opportunities, the Harman's grocery store site and 114 uh 114 south improvements.

Um, and so you can see on the right, bottom right of this image, um, just a potential of what could happen at the Harman site over time if the Harman's uh property owner wished to proceed with anything in the future.

Um we're not proposing any uh zoning changes here, but we wanted to look at what the potential could be in the future.

Um, so you can see how a potential mixed-use building could be put on the site with some housing above buffered from the residential behind it, and still maintaining uh retail on the ground floor and continuing the Harman's grocery store at the southern end of the site.

Uh we have had conversations with Harmons, and you know, they're not interested in any changes at this at this time.

Uh they're happy with the way that the the shopping center is working, but they do understand that you know 20 years down the line, you know, things could change.

And then this is just a rendering showing what the potential for that site could be.

Uh the planning commission heard this item on August 28th and recommended approval on a vote of four to zero.

Um that concludes the presentation.

I'm available if you have any questions, and then we also have our consultant with from Design Workshop, Chris Geddes, and also Dan Collie with Ferram Pears if you have any questions about uh traffic improvements.

Questions, council members.

Mayor, I just have a question about the Kimball's Lane section.

We talked about that high density development there, that those would be owner-occupied.

Would that be a part of the the plan, or would that just be part of the development agreement?

The development agreement.

Okay.

But we base the plan, the density level on that concept, which is uniquely at least half the density of any other stationary plan.

Every every other one's been 50 units or acre or okay, thank you.

We have to do this, right?

This one's one of those has to get approved, or else being all three of them.

Yeah, but your point was that would be with our make sure that that was not missed.

I really appreciate this realignment option of Kimball's how can we move forward with making that closer to a reality?

Um I don't know all the steps, but I think it begins uh conversations with UDOT and UTA about what you know if it's if it's feasible if if closing that that intersection to the south would meet the requirements of reducing the number of crossings.

Um working with our you know, engineering department as well.

I find this area of the roadway to be the most concerning in terms of sight lines and risk to pedestrians.

I think if we could straighten that out, it would really alleviate some of those traffic concerns.

That's definitely what we heard when from the public as well.

I think that needs to be a number one priority.

Anyone else?

I think it needs to be a number one priority, and based upon the concept that we've executed with ownership, which is what everybody wants.

I'm gonna work on that.

You not needs to put some money into making that work.

So this is what they want.

This is a concern for me because we don't have a lot of choice about these stationary plans, as Mr.

Green was saying.

We are forced under HB 462 to approve these or suffer pretty severe consequences.

I think we also need to see the state doing their part to make these more amenable and fit better within our communities.

And I think that can't be said loudly or frequently enough.

I think it needs to be something that gets back to our legislature.

Like if you're making us do these, where are you in this game?

Like you also have to have some accountability here.

Make it safe.

All right, any other comments?

Todd, anything else from you?

All right.

This is a public hearing.

So item 5A ordinance 1670.

Um, are there people here would like to make comment on this item?

Anyone?

All right.

Come on up, give us your name and address.

And you can let everyone know who you're with.

Go ahead, Paxon.

Go ahead.

Thank you.

Uh Paxton Guiman, General Counsel with Edge Homes here in Draper.

Um, we are now the owners of the 20 acres of agricultural land in the Kimballs area plan, and we agree with you completely that it's time to lock arms with the city and try to get the state to step up with some money.

We'd already know that it's part of their long-term plan to expand 700 east, and I think as soon as this stationary plan is approved, we can get past this step.

That's when we need to zero in.

We're already in conversation with some of the senior housing uh officials with Governor Cox, and we're aware of some money that's already been set aside, and we want to work with the city to make that happen.

700 East, it has to be widened.

It has to be widened today with the without our project, right?

So that's an important thing for us.

Um I think it's already been said.

I just think it's important that when you approve the stationary plan, you keep in mind that we already have a written signed recorded development agreement.

So this stationary plan should not be construed to somehow supersede or amend the development agreement.

But I do applaud the efforts of Chris Geddes and his team, uh, their firm.

They've done a lot of work, these these meetings and trying to come up with some consensus and identifying the issues, and that's an important part of this process.

But at the end of the day, our project needs to go through now the site planning and the planning process, and uh we intend to do that deliberately, intentionally with the city to come up with something that works.

My final comment is this the concept plan that was shown for our property, it it would necessarily have very small condominium units, and we don't design to that standard.

Our condominium units are designed to three bedroom, two-bathroom units.

And and the reason being those are at least 1300 square feet.

The reason being that's what meet leads to a more stable community where these are owner occupied units.

Uh people can establish routes, and it doesn't lead to a high turnover rate.

We do not want our project to look or feel like a high density apartment project.

And so the design concepts that we are implementing, and what you will see when we get through our process, show larger condominium units, which necessarily means you have some smaller open space units.

You can't have both tons of open space and larger units, but we'll work with the city to come forward with a project that will make you proud and you can stand behind it.

And I have to applaud Mayor Walker on realizing that getting an owner-occupied project approved at this density level is a much better outcome than a state mandated 50 unit per acre apartment project.

And we're we appreciate your vision and your cooperation.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Is there anyone else who'd like to make a general or a public comment on this item?

Item 1670.

All right, seeing no further public comment, I'll close a public hearing and bring us back to the council.

Council members.

I just want to point out for the purpose of our audience tonight that there are some roads within our city that we do not control.

So 700 east being one of them, 123rd being another, those are U dot roads.

So we do not have a lot of authority over expanding them, making traffic changes, realignment.

And that makes some of these projects more difficult because the impact of these projects will impact these roads that we cannot improve.

To my point that we need to be in partnership with the legislature to get these roads up to where they need to be.

Anybody else?

Mr.

Mayor, Mr.

Green.

We adopt ordinance 1670.

Our motion by Mr.

Green to adopt ordinance 1670 or second.

I'll second.

Is that Tasha?

No.

Sorry.

Ms.

Johnson, all right.

Any further discussion on the item.

Mr.

Green, how do you vote?

Yes.

Ms.

Johnson?

Yes.

Mr.

Lowry?

Yes.

Ms.

Lowry.

Yes.

Ms.

Vaudry.

Yes.

Items approved unanimously five to zero.

I would like to just say one thing just for the benefit of the public with respect to these stationary plants.

These this is one of the one of the single probably biggest erosion into the land use authority of city government.

This this particular stationary plan business came about through several years of battle at the legislature with respect to the housing crisis.

And depending on which legislator you talk to or which governor you talk to, the housing crisis is primarily our fault.

And I say our fault, I mean city governments.

We're the cause.

If you get into a room with them, they'll tell you it's all the city with too much regulation, too many NIMBEs, too many people that won't let the land get developed.

Now, of course, you all know that we're not the hundred percent cause.

We might have some implement, but this this is the beginning of and hopefully the end of land use authority erosion at our legislative level.

But this is this is absolutely a preemption of local land use authority.

That's exactly what it is.

It's it's and there's not a developer that's lobbied the legislature that won't tell you with a smile that this is preempting local land use authority because that's straight up what it is.

Um the penalties are significant if you don't get the if we didn't get these approved with by October, so next month, the penalties start at 500 a day for the first year, then they go to a thousand a day, which is really the equivalent of two police officers or two firefighters every single year and fine, and then they have the ability to reduce the amount of road money that we get to fix potholes and and things in the road.

So it's a it's a stick, there's not a lot of carrot, mostly it's a stick, but it's a half-mile circle, and so these council members are really in the box here, and the legislature has put us squarely here.

This is the legislative mandate.

This is not a concept that was conceived by local government.

Um in other states, I can tell you I'm the president of the League of Cities and Towns this year, and my my reign is about over, thankfully, a couple of weeks.

Um, but in talking to league presidents in other states, um, this is a mild rendition of it.

In California, for example, in these station area plans, they have they don't have to provide parking at all.

It's not a consideration.

So they could do 50, 70, 80 units an acre and provide zero parking as part of the plan.

Fortunately, we still can require parking and some sensible way of to whatever degree it is of working.

I do want to acknowledge and appreciate Edge Holmes and Paxton and and Steve Maddox from Edge.

Coming in here, and I know you'd rather it be the farmland, and if we had our authority, it would be, but to have something at the lower density that is owned is unique.

Um, it is something that the state is interested in, seeing it's a model they want to move forward with, which I like better than 50 or 70 or 80 units per acre of rental property.

Um, the project will have condos, it'll have townhomes, it'll all be owned, it'll be deed restricted, so it won't be black rocks not coming in here and buying this thing and renting them all out.

It'll be it'll be an opportunity, they say for the missing middle starter homes.

I still think these condos will be fairly expensive, but they'll be cheaper than but it's an opportunity for our kids, our relatives that want to live in Draper to have a spot to start a condo or town home.

So anyway, I'll I'll cut my speech shorter.

I could go on about this for a long time because it's been a long battle, and and every year, every session we have more erosion at local land use authority.

Some of it makes sense, some of it doesn't, but anyway, that's it.

So thank you.

Um item number 5B is next.

It's a public hearing ordinance number 1671.

It's an ordinance approving a development agreement amendment for approximately 1.3 acres of city-owned property located at approximately 12742 south, Moose Hollow Drive in 12761 because stands away, otherwise known as the where horse ranch, war horse ranch development agreement, first amendment staff report by Todd Taylor.

Go ahead, Todd.

War horse, go ahead.

Thank you.

Uh this is the location of the uh area.

Uh it's south of Relations Street and it's bisected by the Draper Canal Trail.

Uh this is an aerial uh showing the uh subject properties of the development agreement in yellow and the city-owned property in red.

Uh this amendment would allow the city to convey uh some of the city-owned properties to the property owners of the development agreement.

It would retain the detention basin and the Draper Canal Trail portions, and it would retain access easements over those properties that are being conveyed.

Uh this is an exhibit from the development agreement showing uh parcel A is the detention basin uh parcel that we the city would retain and parcel B is the canal trail uh parcel that the city would maintain, and then parcels C, D, and E would be conveyed to the property owners.

That concludes my presentation, and I'm available if you have any questions.

Any questions for Mr.

Taylor?

Council members.

Um I do have a question.

Could you um excuse me, just explain why we're doing a conveyance and not um a purchase of this property?

So I don't know if I have the best answer on that, but um, I think it's just the process that's been happening.

Um we this some of this property was conveyed to the city uh for right-of-way in uh there on the left side.

Uh the southern part, it was a long piece uh by part of the subdivision uh to the east.

Uh we had done the development agreement with these property owners to uh split these two lots into a total of four.

Um some access issues had come up, and so as a way of resolving that we were looking into uh how to do that, as well as you know, these are sort of city quasi right-of-ways, but not really, and the city doesn't, or it's the city staff's position that we would rather not have them anymore.

And then if the applicant um can uh if we can convey them to the applicant, then and their uh development can go through, then they will be required to uh improve them to uh better condition, and that would provide better access to our detention basin.

I don't know if that completely answered the question, but I think what you're saying is we don't owe the own them in we didn't acquire them in fee sample.

Right.

In other words, they were dedicated to us.

That's correct.

So typically yeah, so typically we don't sell something if we've acquired it in that manner.

That's a better answer.

I was going through the thought process of how we got there.

So I apologize.

All right.

Any other questions for Mr.

Taylor?

All right, this is a public hearing ordinance 1671.

Is there anyone from the public that would like to address the council on 5B?

All right, seeing no public comment, I'll close the public hearing, bring us back to the council.

Mr.

Mayor, I move we adopt ordinance 1671.

Our motion by Mr.

Green to adopt ordinance 1671.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Second by Ms.

Vodry.

Is there any further discussion?

All right.

Hearing none.

Mr.

Green, how do you vote?

Yes.

Ms.

Faudry?

Yes.

Lowry?

Yes.

Mr.

Lowry?

Yes.

Ms.

Johnson?

Yes.

It's approved unanimously five to zero.

Five C is our next item is also a public hearing.

It's ordinance 1672.

It's an ordinance draper city amending the text of the land use and development code for Draper City Municipal Code relating to preschool limited use.

We're gonna have Jen.

Yes, hello.

Okay.

Um so this deals with uh home-based businesses, home-based preschools.

Um currently they are allowed subject to a conditional use permit in all of our residential zones.

Um the code allows up to 10 students um per session with a maximum two sessions per day, and then for home-based businesses, they are allowed to have one employee who does not live at the home.

That's for all of our home-based businesses.

Um the Utah Department of Health and Human Services has a different standard.

They allow up to eight kids with one caregiver and up to 16 kids with two caregivers.

Um, so we're proposing to change the code to align with the state rules.

Right now, where we allow the 10 kids, but you can have two caregivers.

Um, you know, they they just can't go up to that that 16, even though they have that second caregiver that uh the state will allow them.

Um so the the change would be to the definition of preschool limited, um, just changing that number from 10 to 16.

All right, any questions for Jen.

All right, hearing no questions.

This is a public hearing is ordinance 1672.

Anyone from the public that would like to address the council on this item.

All right, seeing no public comment, I'll close.

There's one.

Come on up.

Give us your name and address, that'll start your time.

My name is Bree Dance.

I live at 11507 South Sweet Grass Court in Draper.

Guess I just introduced myself.

I'm here to speak as a parent of a child who would be impacted negatively by these changes.

The proposed ordinance change on preschool limited use has a very real impact on families like mine.

My child attends Miss Jen's sunshine program, and it is not just child care, it is a high-quality preschool that brings neighborhood kids and families together.

She provides a nurturing environment that builds both academic readiness and community connection.

Having recently moved here from Texas, I can say that families there often paid much more for preschool, and yet the quality here in home preschools like hers, thanks to Ms.

Jen, is as good if not better and far more affordable for families like mine who are pinched paying incredibly high housing costs, restricting her ability to serve the community by limiting class sizes in a home-based preschool could force providers like her to close, which would be a real loss to Draper families.

I ask that you consider not just the technical zoning language, but the impact this change would have on real children and parents who rely on her program like mine.

Thank you.

I just want to make sure I understood what you said.

You were you're advocating for the increase in kids.

Okay.

I think you're just thank you.

Is there anyone else who would like to make a public comment on this item?

1672.

My name is Jennifer O'Neill, and my address is 11501 South 700 West.

And I'm in favor of the change.

And I am one of the few in-home preschool providers in Draper.

I believe there are two.

Jen.

Are there two licensed providers in Draper?

Of the preschools.

I think that there are two.

Um, and so there's not a lot of us here.

And I also wanted to take a moment to thank um our city manager and my local representative for my area for hearing about this and for meeting with me and looking at this and making um taking their time to try to make a positive change, and I appreciate your time.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else like to make a public comment?

My name is James Jensen, uh at 369 West Clintwood Drive in Draper.

Um I have a son that attends Miss Miss Jen's preschool.

And I have an older son.

We went a more traditional route with preschool.

It it costs us a lot more money.

It's a different time, different job.

And where I'm at now, we would be hurt tremendously.

We wouldn't be able to do a preschool option if she had to close because these changes weren't adopted.

And it's something that we as a family as a community from other parents I've talked with who attend, they also are in favor.

Um we're just really grateful for Miss Jen's passion for what she's done for our son.

He lights up when he sees her in the community.

We love that it's a community preschool that feels small, it feels like he gets the one-on-one attention that he needs and for his development for his growth for his education.

And he's absolutely being set up to transition to kindergarten in the next year uh very nicely because of it.

And we're just really grateful for programs like that, where you don't you don't see a lot of those uh types of preschools.

It's it's the they're bigger companies or they're blended more with daycares, or um it feels more like your your child's going through a machine instead of having that uh individualized care.

Um when Miss Jen sees us out in the community, she knows my son's name, he knows her, and just his reaction, how he lights up.

He doesn't light it for anyone, he's really shy, you know, and just seeing that I know that uh that she's doing things the right way, that she's not he he's not being impacted negatively in any way because of his experience in her preschool.

So I wanted to add my thoughts and share that contribution.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Is there anyone else?

All right, I see no one else close the public hearing, bring back to the council.

Mr.

Mayor, I have a question to Jan on this.

Um I'm assuming with this definition that it's automatically assumed that you follow the state guideline that that if you have over eight, then you have a second teacher.

Yes.

That doesn't need to be defined here.

Correct.

So with this, so when they come in, they're gonna have approvals with the state that they have to go through that will approve, you know, whether they have a second uh care provider, how many, whether they can have the eight or the sixteen.

I think the state has uh spacing standards as well for you know how large the preschool is, and then they do have to come through us our conditional use permit process for these types of uses, concentrate more on parking drop-off plans, how it'll impact the neighborhood.

Yeah, thank you.

So I do have a question on that then, Jen.

So we do have a plan or restrictions for drop-off pickup, the queuing of the cars.

So, yeah, with the conditional use permit process, we asked them to lay out their drop-off pickup plan.

So depending on um each individual conditional use permit, it may be different depending on uh the roads, their driveway, that kind of thing, but we do ask for a plan, we do evaluate that.

So if there wasn't a way to mitigate that, would that control how many children were allowed to be in a particular school?

Or does this just apply to everyone?

It it could, yeah.

Is um so planning commission when they're looking at conditional use permits, they're looking at are there detrimental effects and can those be mitigated?

So if they determined that uh, you know, with 16 kids, the uh drop off pickup, the the traffic couldn't be mitigated.

Um, they could reduce the number.

Okay, because I lived in a cul-de-sac with a preschool, and I can tell you that there was a couple times a day that you couldn't get out of your driveway or leave.

Yeah, so I'm really concerned about almost doubling.

I'm sure it's a wonderful school.

I have no doubt about that.

Obviously, everybody loves it.

I just want to make sure that the neighborhood survives if we do.

Yeah, and if if we had one that was on a cul-de-sac, we could look at uh, you know, that's gonna have a very different uh impact traffic-wise than if it's a three.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah, it's a conditional use, right?

So it's a C on the zoning table, and they have to get the CEP passed by the planning commission, the planning.

Yes, uh, Mr.

Mayor, um, I'd like to make a motion.

Good.

I move that we adopt ordinance 1672.

Motion by Mr.

Green to adopt ordinance 1672 is there's second.

I'll second.

Second by Ms.

Johnson.

Any further discussion?

All right, hearing now, Mr.

Green.

How do you vote?

Yes.

Johnson, yes, Mr.

Lowry, yes.

Lowry, yes, Ms.

Vodry.

Yes.

Items approved unanimously five to zero.

That takes us to item five D.

This is also a public hearing.

It's ordinance sixteen seventy-three, and it is an ordinance approving the Big Willow Creek Six Development Agreement Amendment for approximately nine point three acres of property located approximately one sixteen seventy south, wildfield way, with Draper City staff reporting by Mary Ann Pickering.

Go ahead, Mary Ann.

Thank you.

This property is located on the western portion of the city for reference.

This is uh the front renter line here, and this is 700 West.

This is a detailed view of the property.

It's known as Big Willow Creek.

This is phase five, and this is the rest of the subdivision that's been built.

The land use on this is residential, medium density, and the zoning is R4.

This is the sixth DA amendment to the Big Willow Creek original development agreement, and this is to modify two of those lots in phase five.

The original agreement required 20,000 square foot lots that backed up to Big Willow Creek.

And due to the way that Jensen Farms was built to the south, Ivory Homes now needs to put in a cul-de-sac, and so that's really reducing the size of one of the lots, and then one of the other lots is being reduced because they've dedicated some land to the city for a trail and also for utilities for sewer.

So only two of the lots that were originally planned to be 20,000 will be less.

This is the graphic that will be modified.

This is the original agreement that allowed the or required the 20,000 square foot lots.

This is the modified um exhibit that will go in this sixth amendment.

This is where the cul-de-sac will be built.

So you can see that one's being reduced to 14,700, and then this little strip is where the trail has been dedicated, and that one will be reduced to 18,900.

This is the proposed layout of the subdivision just for reference, and you can see that by adding the cul-de-sac, those do eat up a lot of space so that they have the adequate turnaround for fire trucks or garbage trucks, and then this is where the trail will be dedicated.

Last week the planning commission did forward you a positive recommendation on this modification with unanimous vote, and I'm happy to answer any questions you have.

Questions we'll go back to that question.

Um, could you just go back a slide to show the the cul-de-sac and okay?

So is lot 513 in that other area that's zoned at the 13,000.

Right, those weren't the 20,000 ones would be the 506 down here all the way down to 512.

Those were the ones required to be 20 originally.

Okay, thank you.

Any other questions?

All right, this is public hearing ordinance 1673.

So new from the public that would like to address the council on ordinance 1673.

All right, I see no one looking to make public comment.

Close the public hearing, bring it back to the council.

Mr.

Mayor, go ahead.

I move we adopt ordinance number 1673.

Motion by Ms.

Vaudrey to adopt ordinance 1673.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Second by Mr.

Lowry.

Any further discussion?

All right, hearing numbers.

Yes.

Mr.

Lowry.

Yes.

Johnson.

Yes.

Mr.

Green.

Yes.

Ms.

Lowry.

Yes.

Items approved unanimously 5 to 0.

Item 5E is next.

Also a public hearing.

Ordinance 1674 and 1675.

It's amending the land use map for 0.27 acres from open space parks to community commercial and ordinance amending the zoning map for the same property from RA2 residential agricultural CG General Commercial located at 687 West 12300 South, known as the city initiated Concord Properties Land Use and Zoning Map.

Located at 687 West 12300 South, known as the city initiated Concord Properties Land Use and Zoning Map.

Go ahead, Mr.

Draper.

Thank you.

As you may recall, this is the site for specialized manufacturing.

Approximately 786 West and 123rd South.

The piece of property that we're looking at is this tinier uh spot here in the back.

Uh although the overall property is there with the dashed lines there.

This is just uh aerial view of that.

Uh as you know, this is the piece that was sold uh to Concord properties uh was not really being utilized as part of the park, but it still retained the open space land use designation and the RE2 zoning.

So the two ordinances here tonight are to change that uh to uh the same community commercial uh land use designation as the rest of the property and that uh CG general commercial zoning just uh picture from the street view, if you will, and that that piece of property is kind of located here to the back, and at the planning commission meeting they made a unanimous uh positive recommendation on both of those ordinances and with that are there any other questions I can help answer questions all right.

Thank you, this is public hearing ordinance 1675.

Is there anyone from the public would like to address the council on this item?

All right, seeing no one wishing to make public comment, I'll close the public comment period, bring it back to the council.

Mr.

Mayor, Mr.

Mr.

Lowry.

I make a motion that we approve ordinance one six seven four and one six seven five.

Motion by Mr.

Lowry is approved 1674 and 1675.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

All right, Ms.

Johnson.

Any further discussion?

No, I think it's just good that we clean this up.

That this probably should have been addressed when we sold the property.

Okay, anyone else?

All right, Mr.

Lowry.

How do you vote?

Yes, Johnson, yes, Mr.

Green, yes, Ms.

Lowry, yes, Ms.

Vodry.

Yes, items approved unanimously.

Five to zero.

All right, that takes us to item six.

It's an action items approve of resolution 2544.

It's resolution draper city council granting a quick claim deed, releasing interest in a portion of the Draper Canal Alignment on 1393 East Pioneer Road.

Um Brian Maxwell, go ahead, sir.

Great.

Um historically, Draper's been served by three canals.

Um this is the Draper Canal in the Green Line.

It no longer carries irrigation water.

Um Draper irrigation company was the one that operated it in 2001.

They transferred their interest in the canal and all of the real estate, including easements to the city.

Um that's when the city took over the Draper Canal alignment in other parts of the city.

We use it as trails and storm drainage facilities.

Um Metropolitan Water District of Salt Lake and Sandy uses a significant portion of it for an aqueduct.

Now this is Harmony Hills, it's located just east of 13th East on the north side of the road.

This site plan was originally approved in 2016.

As you can see, the canal goes right through the middle of the building.

At that time, we approved demolition and removal of any remnants of the canal.

This canal is not used in this area for any purpose.

Um this facility is looking to change ownership.

The new ownership notice the that cloud on the title.

They would like the city to sign a quick claim deed releasing our interest in the canal easement, and that is what is before you today is that quick claim deed.

Any questions?

Thank you, Brian.

Stare motion, Mr.

Mayor.

I make a motion that we approve resolution 25-44.

All right, there's a motion by Ms.

Johnson to approve resolution 2544.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Second by Miss Vaudry.

Any further discussion on the motion?

All right, hearing none, Miss Johnson, how do you vote?

Yes, Ms.

Vodry.

Yes, Mr.

Lowry.

Yes, Mr.

Green.

Yes, Ms.

Lowry, yes.

Items approved unanimously 5 to 0.

Are there any other items of council manager issues that anyone want to bring up?

Any staff have any issues to bring up Mr.

Mr.

Green.

Motion to adjourn.

Thank you.

But motion by Mr.

Green to adjourn.

Is there a second?

Second of the second by Ms.

Lowry.

All in favor of adjournment say aye.

Aye.

Are there any opposed?

All right.

We stand adjourned.

Thank you.