Road if you don't mind.

Our agenda item is study session.

First item is I need to go into a closed session and discuss contract.

Potential litigation.

And such property.

Proposed development treatment.

Proposed proposed development, yes.

Thank you.

Yes.

Is there a motion to enter a closed session to discuss a proposed development?

So moved.

Second.

Motion by Marcia.

Second by Tusha.

The hearing is not as huge.

You look really low.

I am all right, ladies and gentlemen.

Welcome to our city council meeting this evening.

We are so awesome tonight.

We have a standing room only crowd because it's so exciting to come watch City Council.

So thank you all for coming, and I'm sure it'll be really exciting for you.

No, it will be.

We're gonna I'll call the meeting to order.

We're gonna start with the pledge like we do every every meeting.

And our pledge is going to be done by Pam Stagg, our interim HR director.

Pam, thank you very much.

Will you lead us in the pledge?

Please rise.

I'm just the United States of America.

And C Right for which it stands one nation under God and visible liberty and justice for all.

All right, I'll note for our record.

Um we have uh uh four of our council members here in present, and Mr.

Green is on is joining us online from uh military duty.

So we are ready to go, and the next item is number three, chief.

I think we you're gonna take this away.

It's probably the only reason we have standing room only crowd in here.

It might be because we're exciting, but it's probably your guys.

Thank you, Marin Council.

I was going to say um there's some riveting things on the agenda tonight, which has brought out the crowd, so uh for sure.

Um we are uh again very grateful to be able to take a few minutes tonight uh and be with you for some promotions and swearing ins within our department.

Um this is really an exciting time for our department because of of the growth, the opportunities for promotion within our department, and we have outstanding individuals to fill those roles.

Um and so we're gonna work through them.

Uh really wanted a time tonight.

Um, starting with the promotion of a battalion chief.

Um and this is a a significant milestone um in the uh in the career for anybody in the fire service.

Um a very small percentage of individuals uh that spend their career in the fire service uh make it to the rank of battalion chief, and so this is a really should be commended uh for their advancement.

So tonight uh we are promoting um Michael Shanahan to the rank of battalion chief.

Um Michael was born in Idaho.

Uh we won't hold that against him.

Um, but he did spend the majority of his life in Salt Lake City.

Um he served now 17 years in the fire service, um, and he started actually in 2008 with with Sandy City, uh, where he was promoted to um a paramedic in 2011.

Uh he was part of the original hire here for when we started our department.

So he is he's been with us for the for the fall ride.

And it's it's been quite a ride sometimes, hasn't it, Michael?

Um in 2019, he was promoted to captain.

Uh worked on both A and C shift in addition to a 17 years in the fire service.

Uh Michael has also spent 21 years working for AirMed as a as a dispatcher.

So he does not have a lot of free time, but what free time he does have, you will either find him on the golf course or in front of his golf simulator, I'm pretty sure it's is that is that right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So uh we're very lucky uh to have him uh here.

We're lucky to have his family here tonight.

He's been married for 21 years to his wife Miriam, and they have a beautiful daughter named Attakai.

Nailed it.

Um been practicing that all day, by the way.

Um, and then his mom is here tonight uh to support him as well.

Um, and uh Michael, I just want you to know that this is a huge achievement, and we're very proud of you.

I know that your family is very proud of you, and you can see the support of our department behind you because this is a milestone in your career.

And uh, and I know um, and I hope you're not mad at me, but I know um with the recent recent loss of your father that it's hard to not have him here tonight, but know that he's here uh with us, and uh I know how proud he is of your accomplishments.

So didn't mean to do that to you.

But if you want to come on up, we will administer the oath of office.

Yes, we'll we'll we gotta make sure you get that right before we can actually give you a badge.

So I'm not sure.

Um very common.

Okay, whoever you've chosen to come on up.

If I could have members of my command staff come up here with me, too, I don't know, I think we're gonna go.

If you know in the fire surface about ranks, um, once you move up the ranks, you actually change the color of your helmet, and white signifies basically a chief officer in any organization.

So we'll present him as well with his uh white helmet.

So if you know anything about uh Chief Shanahan, you'll also know that he's he's very detail-oriented.

So to be able to stand here why um his wife was putting on his bugles and a few things and to hear the conversation is quite comical because she knows dang well that after this, he's gonna take them off and fix them perfectly the way he wants them.

So true story, right?

All right, uh moving on.

Now with the uh promotion of Captain Shanahan to Battalion Chief Shanahan.

We now have the opportunity to have a captain's promotion within our our department.

Uh so tonight uh we're very excited to be able to promote uh Captain Scott Wilson.

Uh he originally is from sunny San Diego, but uh actually made it to Utah in the late 1990s.

He's a very dedicated father of three children who are all in attendance with him tonight.

The thing you need to know about uh about Scott is he is one heck of a cook.

He's got a very long uh rich culinary background that spans over 20 years as a chef.

So it's usually a treat when you get to work with Scott and uh see what he's gonna whip up for the night.

Um he transit transitioned into public service as a firefighter, beginning his career again with Sandy City in 2014, and we appreciate those of Sandy Fire that are here tonight supporting their former co-workers.

In 2017, he came to Draper Fire where he was promoted to engineer uh the following year.

And this really, if you know anything about Scott, um he demonstrates every day his commitment to both you know his firefighting family and the community because he should he shows up to work with a smile on every day, just happy to go to work, and so we're very lucky to have him as part of our organization.

So come on up, Scotty.

We'll see.

We'll see if he passed the test with the oath.

So we're still trying to see.

We'll let it slide this time.

At least at least you didn't put state your name where it was a state your name.

So that's plus.

When we have your family go ahead and come on up.

Is uh displays a change in rank, and so red represents captain within the fire service.

So there's a red helmet.

We'll let Chief Shanahan make sure those buttons are correct later.

All right, um, our next two are uh two.

We have one promotion to a paramedic and a swearing-in as a new paramedic with our organization.

So um I'll I'll read through both of them and then bring them both up.

And I keep forgetting just like uh whoever changed that for me, thank you, because I forgot.

Umedic Josh Owen.

Now, if Josh looks familiar to you, it's because we just had him in here not that long ago swearing him in as a member of our department.

When we swore when he we hired him, he was in the midst of going through paramedic school already on his own.

And uh, we were able to help support him through the remainder, which is the clinical portion of that, which he completed and successfully uh passed the national paramedic test uh just almost two weeks ago now, so we can officially promote him to the rank of paramedic, uh, which is again is another tremendous asset to our organization.

Again, Josh is originally from Southern California, where he spent his childhood after he finished high school.

He then enlisted in the U.S.

Army after graduation and served four years at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, which is where he met his wife Shelby.

He started his fire service in the fire service as a career or excuse me, as a volunteer for a small department on the East Coast, and then decided that he wanted to make that his full-time job after an honorable discharge.

And again, then he decided to leave his full-time position to pursue a paramedic school and uh I think hopefully land him in the West, because that's where he landed.

Um then again, he was just recently successfully completed that.

Um, and we are so grateful to have him here in his free time.

Um, I think you'll remember this picture, Mayor.

Is yes, he does like to do some mountain biking, so right up your alley for sure.

Um, and certainly spending time with his wife.

So Josh, if you want to come up here while I read the next one, you can just stand here and look pretty for everybody.

And now, new to our organization is paramedic Steve Larson.

Uh, we're again very lucky to have Steve joining the ranks of of our department.

Um he was born in California, but lived most of his life in Utah, sensing a theme here.

Um, graduated from Orham High School where he was uh on the state championship lacrosse team.

Uh maybe we can put those skills to work in the softball game next year because we didn't fare very well this year against the cops.

We'll talk about that later.

Um but after um returning from his mission, he went to uh UVU where he met his wife.

Um and then together they moved to Rio de Janeiro for three years where he worked teaching English.

What an experience that had to have been.

They came back to Utah in 2017, where he started an EMS, eventually joining the fire service full-time in 2021.

He also has a bachelor of science degree in emergency services from Utah Valley University.

Um again, he's worked for several agencies um in the state, um, took a little bit of a hiatus when his wife um's job transferred him out of state to Illinois, and luckily uh they had the opportunity to come back, which I think they're very grateful for because this is where they're the bulk of their family is from.

And uh, we were lucky enough to be in the right position at the right time to to be able to hire him with his skills to join our ranks.

Um, and uh he currently resides in Utah County with his wife and and children, and we're very fortunate to have Steve join our ranks.

Come on up, sir.

Okay, the hard part, the oath, then we'll move on from there.

Uh, if we can have Josh's wife come forward.

Okay, Steve, your turn, Josh Jones.

Thank you, Mayor and Council, for the opportunity to do that in the council meeting and for your unwavering support of our department.

That's what attracts such fine individuals for us.

And thanks to all of our crews for being here to support our members tonight.

Thank you.

All right, thank you, Chief.

Uh, don't everyone leave.

We're gonna approve our meeting minutes from last meeting in a couple of minutes, so just hang on.

Um item number four is next, and it's the opportunity for general public comment.

Is there anyone here in the in the room like to make a general public comment to the council?

All right, seeing none, we'll close our public comment.

Now the exciting part that you're ready for, this are the consent items.

It's approval of the August 13th, 2025 truth and taxation mining meeting minutes.

Uh item B is approval of August 26th, 25 Board of Canvassing Meeting Minutes.

Item five C is approval of the September 2nd, 2025 City Council meeting minutes.

Is there a motion?

Approval of item five D's approval resolution twenty-five forty eight resolution of Draper City Council.

Oh yes.

Appointing um Derek Orth of the new Draper City Human Resources Director.

Um we'll have you come up in just a minute after we uh do this, but hang on just a second.

All right, is there a motion?

Mr.

Mayor.

Miss Vodry.

I move we approve consent um sent consent items five A through five D.

All right, motions to approve items five A through five D on the consent calendar second.

I'll second second by Ms.

Johnson.

So motion by Miss Roger, second by Ms.

Johnson.

Any further discussion?

Ms.

Johnson?

Yes.

Lowry?

Mr.

Lowry?

Yes.

Mr.

Green.

Yes.

Items are approved unanimously five to zero.

Derek, why don't you come up for just one second, introduce yourself uh to the council.

Tell us a little bit about yourself and how excited you are to be in Draper.

Well, thank you, Mayor and Council.

Uh the most excited.

Um I don't know.

What do you want to know?

I uh I have spent the last nine years at the city of West Jordan, and I have loved my time there, and um didn't ever think I would be considering leaving there, frankly.

And uh this is a unique opportunity.

Um I grew up just uh on the border of Sandy and Draper, and uh so I spent a lot of time, have a lot of friends and family that live here in Draper, and uh it's part of uh a little bit of childhood whimsy, I guess, to uh want to be where the buttercream gang was uh filmed, and um I don't know how many people actually know that, but it's like a show I watched in my childhood, you know.

So um I'm grateful for this opportunity.

I uh for me personally, the thing that I love the most is the time I get to spend with employees and coming to Draper.

I recognize it as something that uh there's just over 300 employees, and that part excites me.

Um that's where I do my best work is spending time with our employees and um I think for me it's uh it's a new opportunity to put my own stamp of uh my Derrickness.

I'll uh I'll let you in on a little secret.

I don't know if I should say this or not, but um my nickname, so everybody who actually knows me calls me Bear.

And uh so anybody who actually knows me outside of work or was my teacher called me bear.

So um it's not my intention to go by that while I'm here, but uh may come across some people that will say uh as bear working down at Draper.

So uh I'm grateful for this opportunity.

I appreciate the the approval and I've uh appreciated the the experience to be able to spend time with Mike and the mayor and uh the confidence in each of you as council members to uh to give me this opportunity.

So I don't know if you have any questions for me specifically, but uh yeah.

We just welcome you.

Excited to have you.

Thank you so much.

I think you are also PAM approved.

I will well, hopefully.

Which is a big deal for us, though.

Yeah, all right.

Great staff here.

All right.

Well, let's do your oath and get you sworn in.

Thank you.

All right, thank you, and welcome aboard, Bear.

We're glad to have you.

All right.

Item number seven is next to some action items.

Item 7A is approval of resolution 25-46, a resolution of the Draper City Council approving the interlocal agreement with the point of the mountain state land authority, otherwise known as Palmsla regarding public infrastructure and services.

We're gonna have a staff report by Mr.

Barker.

We're gonna have Mr.

Baird do it.

Mr.

Bairdwell.

All right, Mr.

Bruce Baird, if you'll come up, sir.

And just for the record, uh, Mr.

Baird is um been employed by Draper City as our legal counsel on this particular matter and has worked uh very hard and diligently, looking out for the best interest of Draper City.

Go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor, members of the council.

Uh, first of all, I want to thank you for uh your uh faith in having me help you on this project and help you with the uh development agreement with POMSLA.

Uh we've had a long and uh tortured course of working with uh this matter to get it to where we are.

And I also want to thank the uh staff, your excellent staff, Mr.

Barker, Miss Gunderson, Scott Cooley, David Dobbins, and uh Tracy have been uh essential and getting this to where we are.

And uh I want to make it clear in the public that the mayor has also uh used uh his uh I'm gonna say trademark style uh behind the scenes in helping uh Palmslow recognize that uh they needed to uh fly right on these.

Uh I'll I'll go through both of the documents if it's okay with you.

Uh there's two different documents that are related, they're interlinked.

The first is an interlocal cooperation agreement regarding the uh public infrastructure with between Draper City and Palmsla.

The second document is a uh consultant agreement for a development consultant that Draper is also a party to.

It is said that second agreement essentially provides sorry, the first agreement provides the scope of work for the consultant to do the second uh agreement.

The uh basis of the agreement is we were trying to make sure that Draper uh was protected in terms of getting quality infrastructure that wouldn't fail like some other infrastructure, and the city has failed at exorbitant costs.

Uh we also wanted to make sure that the responsibility for incurring those costs didn't were on on securing the quality of the engineering didn't fall on your engineering department because for quite some time your engineering department was spending a great amount of its time working on the POMSLA project and not really getting paid for it.

So eventually, after much, much negotiations, we came to the concept with Palmsla of having an independent uh third-party consultant to enforce the terms of what we call recognized safety and design standards in both the design of the infrastructure and the construction of the infrastructure by way of QAQC.

Uh we created a process to create a QAQC plan that Draper has essentially control over along with Palmsla.

Uh we've managed to make sure as as I've described it, that your infrastructure that you're going to get through this project, which the state has essentially mandated that at some one some one part of the other, you were going to take this infrastructure.

We just had to work out this agreement to protect you to do it.

Uh where I described it is you basically have belt suspenders, uh staple your pants to your stomach and super glue them as well.

And by that I mean that you've got Draper Promsla has to design to the standards, they have to certify to the design consultant to those standards.

If you object to those standards, there's an arbitration process for determining those standards.

Then when the project is built, there's the QA QC inspection again with the dispute resolution process, including the consultant and the arbitration.

And then you also have warranties and on the on the what you've got, and you have an assignment of the contractual rights against the contractor as well.

So you're protected through what's known as the statute of repose.

So all of those things are here.

You've had a chance to read the agreement.

We are happy to report that the consultant that was selected with Mike and Scott being on the selection committee is a high quality consultant that Draper has worked with before and has done good job for Draper.

So we are confident that this agreement, while I can't tell you it is perfect, uh, it is the best we can do under the circumstances, and in terms of protecting the quality of your infrastructure, I think it's a damn good agreement, uh, frankly, in terms of the quality of the infrastructure.

There's some things that we just can't tweak.

Um, but I believe that if the council shows uh resolute willpower in the future when you're confronted with some issues about implementing certain aspects of this agreement and tell some people that they need to step up to the plate and help with uh financing and or the legislature help with financing.

I believe that this document, as it's written, will not impose an unreasonable burden on the other citizens of Draper City that are not in the point.

And I believe this is the best agreement that we can get at this time.

I would ask for your support and a vote authorizing the mayor to execute it, and I appreciate uh all your efforts.

We've met with you uh individually and discussed this sometimes.

Sometimes those discussions have been uh frank and candid as they say in diplomatic terms.

Uh but we appreciate uh your our participation, we participate your input, and again, I want to thank the entire staff for their hard work on this and the mayor, and again for you trusting me to get this to the place we got it to.

And if I'm here if you have any questions in the public, uh otherwise, I appreciate your time and uh I ask for your vote.

Thank you.

Any questions, Councilmember for Mr.

Baird?

Um I have a couple.

Uh could you explain just a little bit about the process of selecting the design consultant, the development consultant?

Yes, and then what specifically they're gonna be looking for, maybe in layman terms.

So sure.

The the process was done through the state's typical procurement process.

There was a statement of a request for a statement of interest, and there were I believe three uh consultants that proposed one of the consultants was not really qualified, so we had two consultants, and the uh the selection committee interviewed those two consultants against uh a draft of the contract at the time and told them what we expected, and that was the process for selecting the contract, the consultant.

As soon as this contract is uh these are done, there will be a the contract will be entered into with the consultant and they will be on board uh relatively quickly.

POMSLA is paying for the consultant, uh, but the language of the contract makes it clear that the consultant is not working for POMSLA.

They their responsibility is as I always try to describe it is to the pro the integrity of the project and to the documents that govern that, including the recognized safety and design standards.

So that's that's the process, council member.

Okay.

And then just in layman terms, what's some design standards that they'll be looking at?

Yeah, there's there's a whole list of them, and let me let me just get to that for a second.

There we we call them recognized safety and design standards, and they include, but let me make it clear the uh in terms of the culinary water system and in terms of the stormwater system, they're essentially designing to draper's standards.

But the other standards include, uh, and it's found on wait a minute, there's no page number on this document.

I hate that.

It's the third page of the document definition 1.20, recognized safety and design standards.

They include the International Building Code, the International Fire Code, the County Health Department regulations, UDOT regulations, APWA regulations, American Association of Ashto regulations, AWWA regulations, the manual on traffic control devices, and and those are the basics of the safety standards.

And those are frankly the same standards I usually put in my development agreements, but they're they're basically the standards that everyone recognizes as being essential to build a high quality project.

And to the ex if to the extent that POMSLA might want to go outside of those standards for safety, POMSLA has the burden of justifying to you and to the design consultant, and if come push comes to shove the arbitrator that what POMsLA is proposing is at least as safe as those standards.

Because you can't cover the entire waterfront.

So we do have provisions for if something is slightly different, it's okay.

As long as it's vetted and it provides you what you need, uh then and it's double checked and it's literally it's literally triple checked because POMSLA's engineer isn't supposed to be designing anything bad either.

So it's checked by POMSLA's engineer, checked by the design consultant, checked by Scott, and ultimately if it has to be checked again, it gets checked by the arbitrator.

So I'm confident that you're not gonna get a uh pig and a poke either in the design process or if not more importantly, during the QAQC process when it's constructed, uh, which is really really important.

You can have the best designs, as we all know.

Draper's had a couple of experiences where things were uh well designed, uh, but let's just say not well built, and that won't happen here.

It shouldn't happen here.

Thank you, and I appreciate you know your work and the staff's work that we have this protection and plan in place.

We also have any questions for Mr.

Baird.

And again, I addressed both of them in one presentation.

I hope that was all right.

I have a question, Mayor.

Bruce, if you don't mind as we talk about this in an local agreement, you've talked about the protections we have here for the infrastructure.

Uh and this is probably the best agreement that we've been able to negotiate, which I compliment you for your work on this.

Thank you.

Yeah, I think that explained.

Yes, I I I will.

Uh basically the agreement commits you to provide public services to the property.

It doesn't commit you to building any particular piece of infrastructure at any particular time, nor providing any particularized level of service.

And by that I mean, for example, a fire station.

Uh you don't have any obligation.

Well, let me go even further.

At one point, POMSLA was trying to put in a provision that said they would donate the fire station parcel and they would donate a park, and that you had to build those processes.

You had to build those within a particular time.

We did I don't know if I've even discussed this with you in uh private meetings.

We told them not just no, but hell no, uh, we're not going to commit Draper in this agreement to build these particular facilities or staff these particular facilities at any particular time.

Uh we recognize that at some point they're gonna need to have potentially a fire station to service the west side of Draper, including the point, but not only the point, but that's a time of your choosing, uh, because we know that there's two components to a fire station.

There's the physical facilities part, uh, and then there's the staffing part.

And we saw a whole bunch of the staffing today, and I was clapping for that staffing.

I know the chief is a great guy, so both your chiefs are great guys.

So we're happy to do that.

But what we've put in was basically you get to determine in your discretion when that gets done.

So we believe that you will be able to exercise the discretion on building those facilities in a manner that will not unduly burden your individual your other Draper residents, as long as you are willing to at some point play hardball and say, you know what, this is not necessarily our problem.

You've got to help solve, and I bet I mean you being POMSLA or the developer of the project, uh, you've got to help solve this issue.

POMSLA is going to be paying or ensuring that your impact fees get paid.

POMSLA is exempt from impact fees, but we have a provision in this agreement that says POMSA will essentially pass those fees through to the developer and will basically ensure that the developer pays those impact fees under what's known as a best efforts clause, and a best efforts clause in Utah is a clause that has real teeth in it.

You will get paid your impact fees.

I know they won't necessarily pay for the whole fire station at some point, but they'll pay for a share of it, and other development will pay for a share of it.

And at some point, you know, you might just be in a position to say we want some uh additional help legislature or the point or POMSLA, and uh we've talked about that before, and and I and I would think as long as you're willing to uh play hardball, uh I think you're gonna get what you need to uh avoid any uh any service, any material service impacts.

And uh we've talked about that before, and and I and I would think as long as you're willing to uh play hardball, uh I think you're gonna get what you need to uh avoid any uh any service, any material service impacts.

Plus, this agreement does take a lot of the burden that Scott and his department has borne over the last 18 months in uh carefully babysitting the project, and it gives a large share of that burden to the independent design consultant.

Thank you.

Any other questions from Mr.

Baird again?

Thank you for the opportunity to represent you.

I I would like to make just a few points if I could, just because this is a significant project, it's one that I've been working on for a long time.

Um first and foremost, it's important to note that the land authority, Port of the Mountain State Land Authority, POMSLA, um, is the is the state entity that um owns well operates and develops this parcel.

The state of Utah owns this land, fee simple 100%.

It's their it's their property.

Um the state's owned it for the entire time Draper's been a city and even some years before when it was the Utah State Prison.

Um the the land authority is made up of appointed members.

I serve on the land authority as a as one of the members.

The board was reorganized last legislative session from a larger board to a seven-member board.

Um, and myself, um, the mayor of South Jordan City, the county mayor, um, and um uh the governor's appointment for GOEO as along with uh representative uh Tusher from the House and uh uh Senator Stevenson from the Senate and Lowry Snow, former House member, um, serve on our board.

We um I have one vote on that board, but I've been able to use my one vote and as Bruce says, some type of my ways that I operate um with influence and and the advocacy for our city and for this this project.

Um in time, this project will generate uh tax revenue um and it'll be a place of commerce, a place of employment, a place of learning, a place a place of um hopefully uh start up high-tech development type of opportunity.

This parcel of ground has never paid a dime in revenue to any any state entity or city or county entity in its history.

It's always been either open land or owned by as a as a prison.

So this will be a you a unique move for this parcel.

What the reason the the point was planned the way that it's been planned, and it has had an extensive planning process that has taken years to to bring together with consultants and and developers and all of those things.

The phase one of the project has been awarded to a developer called TPP.

Um one of the members of TPP is a local draper developer at Wadsworth Development.

Um, our own Todd Wadsworth and uh Kip Wadsworth and and their and their family, along with a national developer called Lincoln and a Utah developer called Colmina.

That group um make up the phase one developer, and they have a contract to begin phase one.

They will start phase one vertical construction in the fourth quarter of next year, maybe a little sooner.

Um phase one is about 68 acres total space.

It will be a little bit less of that in development.

Phase one has as its first building slated a 5,000 seat uh entertainment venue that will come out of the ground and and be a place of gathering.

It will have um a building called Convergence Hall, which is a part of a GoEO plan to create um synergy with uh research, biotech, medical, and university research and hopefully spin off and create jobs and bring big Fortune 500, hopefully, companies to the area.

Um we have had um we have had a significant opportunity.

I want to I want to point out if I could our city engineer, Mr.

Cooley and our public works director, all of his hats.

Um Scott's an engineer, and he thinks just like one.

And um sometimes he he can drive you a little crazy with his engineer brain.

Um but I want to tell you that his engineer brain has done a very good job looking out for the best interest of our community, primarily in the construction of the infrastructure.

If you haven't seen and looked over the freeways, you've driven by the point.

This is a big project.

The amount of infrastructure that's gone in now, Scott will tell you it is massive.

It's stormwater, like at epic size, it's sewer, it's massive amounts of road building and all that infrastructure.

Um, Mr.

Cooley and our team and his team of engineers and inspectors have been on site day one.

They have been out there, they have been in the middle of it.

It's unique because this is a state project, and typically this the king, the state does what the state wants.

But in this particular instance, we've been able to be involved from day one through the project through the development.

And I I want to I want to commend Scott.

Um, I think he's uh in my time as an elected official, I've been here a little while.

Scott's the best uh public works director and city engineer we've ever had.

He's done a fantastic job on not just this project, but you'll note we have road improvements and road maintenance that occurs regularly every year.

It's all comes out of out of Scott's engineer brain.

But I do want to commend Scott and his team because this was not easy to negotiate.

The these the state had its ways that it wanted to operate and do, and it took a lot of uh significant uh battling and pushback that we all got involved in.

And I'd love to tell you that it was always civil and it wasn't.

Um but we um over time we've we've all come together, and not only us, me as the mayor, but Mr.

Cooley and our team, and the point of the Mount State Land Authority team.

We are now working together um in a really efficient and exciting way, and they're they're listening to us and they're and they're doing the things we need.

So I want to thank Mr.

Cooley publicly for his efforts because he really did a good job for us, and and um I just I just really appreciate him, and he did amazing work.

Um, like I said, the buildings will come out of the ground, hopefully maybe the f end of the third quarter, first part of the fourth quarter.

The event center is funded, it was funded by public infrastructure district, a PID.

Very unique, weird stuff the legislature does for financing.

I wish I could explain it all.

I don't know if they can, but certainly this particular project, um, this event center.

Um they went out to they went out to public bond and they sold 290 million dollars in bonds.

Every dollar they wanted to sell to build this first building, which will be this event center.

So the point has got immense potential for us.

It's important to keep in mind that it's never been anything but a government site.

It's still owned by the government, but the government is bringing in commerce and the private sector in a way that has potential to be really substantially phenomenal for us as a community for a state.

Um, many entities are excited about the point.

The governor's office of economic opportunity, the the speaker, the Senate president, all of our legislative leaders, they see this opportunity for for you know development, not just that will help us and as a community, but certainly could be the future for the state of Utah in many ways.

So, with that being said, I appreciate all the work.

I want you to know that uh we we worked hard on this agreement.

It's been over a year of negotiation, and it was it was a this is difficult, it's difficult.

We're negotiating with the king, and so you gotta yeah, there's ways you do it, and we we were able to do it.

But um, I think this agreement, although not perfect in every regard, is as good of a deal as we're gonna get in many and a better deal in many ways than we would have ever gotten had we not been as involved.

So I've personally put a lot of time into this, not only in the negotiation phase, but serving on the point board, and it's been something that's been rewarding to me.

I I'm really excited about it.

I think it has tremendous potential.

So anybody else have any other comments?

All right, that being sorry for my long-winded speech, but I've been wanting to give it for a while, so there you go.

Item A is a is the first item up for approval item raised resolution 25-46.

Um, is there a motion on item 7A?

Mr.

Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve resolution 25-46.

I have a motion by Ms.

Johnson to approve resolution 25-46.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

All right, the second by Mr.

Lowry.

Any further discussion on the motion?

Johnson, how do you vote?

Yes.

Ms.

Mr.

Lowry?

Yes.

Miss Lowry.

Yes.

Miss Vaudry.

Yes.

Mr.

Green.

Do we lose Mr.

Green?

Mr.

Green.

Okay.

All right.

Well, we have a unanimous mayor.

How do you vote?

Yes, Mr.

Mayor.

All right.

Unanimous vote five to zero.

The next item is item 7B.

It's uh it's approval of resolution 2547.

It is the it is the second part of the agreement.

Mr.

Baird talked about.

It's a resolution of the Draper City Council approving a consultant agreement with the point of the mountain state land authority and methods of consulting.

And this goes to the items you talked about with the consultant.

I will add in this that um we've we've expended a lot of time and and our our engineering department's talents.

This is going to sub substantially lighten the load on Mr.

Cooley and his team because our this consultant we're talking about in this resolution will be doing a significant job for us.

So anyway.

Mr.

Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve item 7B.

All right.

Item 7B is a motion by Miss Lowry to approve their second.

I'll second.

Second by Miss Vaudry.

Any further discussion?

I think this is a great thing, and I really appreciate Mr.

Cooley and all he's been doing, and I also appreciate that we're going to take some load off of his shoulders with us.

I think that's important.

Yes.

Ms.

Vaudrey?

Yes.

Mr.

Lowry?

Yes.

Ms.

Johnson?

Yes.

Mr.

Green.

Yes.

I'm approved unanimously five to zero.

That takes us to item number seven C.

It's approval of resolution 2549.

It's a resolution of Draper City Council canceling.

Are we moving forward with that one?

Are we continuing?

Go ahead, Mr.

Barker.

We we had an issue with noticing, so if we could uh continue that to our October 7th meeting.

All right.

So this item resolution 2549's resolution of the city council canceling the race for the four-year at large city council seats and certifying that Tasha Laura and Mike Green will be elected because they're they're the only folks left in the race.

We so it's a you know sort of a foregone conclusion, if you will.

Um we did we we added a bit of a noticing error.

There it was a difficult thing to figure out.

It was a new, it's a it's a case of first impression for us.

So there was a person in the race that withdrew, um, and so it created this situation.

So this will be on our October 7th agenda, but that's the gist of it.

So do we need a motion to move it?

Is there a motion to move it to the October 7th?

So moved.

Motion by Mr.

Lowery's our second.

I'll second.

Second by Ms.

Vaudry.

Is there any further discussion?

Mr.

Lowry, how do you vote?

Yes.

Ms.

Vaudry?

Yes.

Lowry?

Yeah.

Mr.

Green.

Yes.

Ms.

Johnson.

Yes.

That passes unanimously five to zero.

Would have been interesting had they not voted for it.

I don't know.

That would have been a second case of first impression there indeed.

So all right.

That takes us to the item I think all of you must still be here for, which is a public hearing on ordinance number 1676 and 1677.

It's an ordinance amending the land use map of approximately 7.6 acres of residential low medium density to residential medium density, and an ordinance amending the zone map for the same property from RA1 residential agriculture to RA R to R4 single family residential.

This property is located at approximately 1175 south 700 west, known as the Goodrich Point Land Use and Zoning Map Amendments.

This is a public hearing.

We'll be taking public comment.

Mary Ann, go ahead.

Thank you, Mayor.

This is the vicinity map of the project for reference.

This is the front runner line, 114th south, and then the property does have furniture on 700 west.

This is a detailed view of the property.

There is currently one residence on the property.

It does consist of two properties total.

The land use is residential, low medium density, and the land use on this one is our I'm sorry, the zoning is RA1, which is one acre minimum or 40,000 square feet per lot.

As mentioned, the request is to change the land use designation from residential low medium density to residential medium density, and then do that zone change from the one acre minimum to quarter acre minimum.

There is a future subdivision planned, which would be considered at a future date.

And then staff did receive some public comment objections to this.

Those were emailed to you.

There was two that were received in advance of the planning commission meeting, and then there was one received in advance of your meeting tonight.

Um I mentioned there is the subdivision that is planned at a future date.

Just for reference, it would also include this property here, which is another one-acre property.

They've worked out an agreement to incorporate that property as part of their subdivision.

And then this is the Goodrich property for the family, and they would retain a lot that's approximately that size.

Good evening.

Um tonight represents the accumulation of uh over three years of work as we've worked with the Goodrich family to bring this project to fruition.

Uh normally this is the accumulation of or assemblage, I should say, of three different parcels of ground, one of which is already zoned R4.

R4 is the contingent zone uh adjacent zone to R south and adjacent zone to our east.

So it's a common becoming increasingly a common zone in this area, and our use uh we've used as template for the project we hope to create uh the examples of the subdivisions in both of those locations that have already been approved.

We've also used that as the template for the offset of the area in the creek at the bottom.

There's comes down to a gully and to a crick at the bottom of the gully, and that uh has some flood control implications and some recreational implications, and so uh we've used as a template those projects that have already been approved and have also dealt with this same matter.

I think the most important uh uh matter you would would be interested to know the uh acreage involved in this overall assemblage is just over uh eight acres.

It's eight point seven acres.

Uh if you apply the present density of the general plan for this area, that is two units an acre, two residential units an acre.

So there are 17 and a half permitted as it's presently zoned.

We uh uh in laying this out uh none of that density changes.

In fact, if anything, it slightly goes down.

So by changing from uh the land changing the land use and changing the overall zone, it does not have an increase in density to the neighborhood.

I think that's critical that uh we uh be clear on that point.

Uh the we have laid out this site in two different structures, one with two entrances on 7th West and one with one entrance on 7th West.

Both of them are under the 17.

If you round that from 17 and a half down to 17 lots, uh, we are in both instances less than that.

Uh the little parcel that's jutting down, you can see is already zoned R4, and you can see there's a home already on it.

That residence uh is uh a rental, it is an aged rental, it has been there a lot of years.

Uh it faces the wrong direction, faces away from any road, and has been occupied by as many as four families at once.

I don't think has ever been their case where it was less than two families, even though it's a single family residence.

So if I'm a neighbor adjoining this to the south, I couldn't be more happy to see new homes of a similar nature to mine going in and replacing that particular dwelling.

I'd like to open up to any questions you may have and then uh reserve some time if I may to respond to others who might have something to say.

Any questions for the applicant?

I do have a question in the documentation that was sent over to the city.

Um you said that the lot size would not uh be more than 13,000 square feet per parcel.

So my question is uh why are you seeking uh zoning that would be per 10,000 square feet?

Um primarily we what we needed was a zone that would allow us frontages, uh would allow uh square footages of lots, would give us guidelines.

And so we're R4 was an adjacent zone on uh on as you can see on the various sides.

Uh that's the and you can see that this is an oddly shaped parcel of ground.

So R4 fit.

Uh as I say one of the parcels of one of the three that we had assembled was already zoned R4.

This became the natural fit.

Uh I want to uh reiterate uh uh councilman Johnson your the uh what we'll do in and as we if we were fortunate enough to receive a zoning approval this evening, we'll make sure that we do not exceed the 17 lots.

This would amount to two different phases.

Will it start with the first phase?

And then uh the owners of the land are going are intending to keep their home and can and live on the land and uh for the foreseeable future.

I don't think they have any plans to develop it at this point, but we wanted to be able to assure the city that if they did the assemblage of the lots from the second phase and the first phase would fall under at or under the 17 lots that's presently allowed.

Then every lot that we would create or propose would conform to R4.

So uh we have these concept plats we've created, but you know how when we start meeting with engineering that can change, and then restrictions and requirements.

There's uh irrigation lines here, power overhead power lines, just things that need to be dealt with.

So I will make that commitment to you that no that the assemblage of anything we propose will stay under the present density, and that they'll all conform to R4 as you would expect they would.

Is that 17 lots including the parcel that's already R4?

Yes, sir.

That's the total assemblage.

And is that that parcel appears to be non-conforming to R4?

Is that right?

I would say that's it's non-conforming to anything, any use the way it's set right now.

So you would subdivide, I guess you would tear down that house and subdivide that property.

Yes, ma'am.

And add that to your density.

Indeed, yes.

So that'd be a total of that's like an acre parcel, it looks appears to be.

So we're talking about 8.6 acres, but then there's a portion that the property owner is going to keep.

So it would be what about six point five acres?

Six and a half six and a half acres.

Yes, sir.

In our initial phase, uh we are uh creating a lot for the owner of uh who uh uh her name is Rebecca Watson.

She's been she was raised in the home that's there and is keeping uh two and a half or two and three quarter acres for the few for her present use, and as ask us to create a lot which would be part of our plat, would be a conforming lot on that parcel for her daughter to build a home so they can live side by side.

Any other questions for the applicant?

I'd like to wait to hear from public hearing mayor for any things.

So um those two acres are being removed from the eight total acres for development.

So the will be seventeen homes on six acres or seventeen homes on eight acres.

Seven uh would be less than that, it would be sixteen uh on the entirety, the whole thing.

So uh when if you imagine some of it set aside and not developed, uh there would be the existing home, would count that as one, and the new home for the daughter count that is two, plus those that are on our plat.

So there would be 13 on our plat and those two homes, a total of 15.

But with zone with changing to the plat or changing of the road configuration, uh what I'm saying is we'll do that in a manner that leaves everything at or under 17 uh as the total density.

You keep referring to a plat, but I have yet to see it.

Do you have it?

I I have one of the concepts with me, and another one, the other one I've turned into the city.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh this is one of the conceptual layouts.

You can see there's a total of uh 12 lots.

Uh Rebecca's home right here, which is not part of the subdivision per se, uh, would be a 13th, and then her daughter's lot.

If I I'm clicking that right, do I write or left click?

Would be right, would be creating a lot right here that the daughter would live on.

In the future, this parcel with some modification to her home or the removal of her home would be a new lot stretching down to the creek right here, another one right here, and then her daughter's lot.

Another one right here, and then her daughter's lot.

So in this plat, how large are most of these lots?

Uh everything on this on this uh project that you see right here are third acre or above.

These two out here are about three quarter acre.

Sorry.

Could you go to uh slide number one for me, please?

Thank you, Jake.

Question?

Oh no, I just asked to see the slide.

That's okay.

All right, all right, thank you, sir.

All right.

Um this is a public hearing.

Is there anyone here that would like to make public comment?

Raise your hand.

Okay, I'll let everyone that wants to talk.

So um let me just give you our rules really quick.

To my right is our clock, it's set at three minutes.

We're fair if we're anything here.

You get your three minutes, you don't have to use them all, but you can.

But at the end of three minutes, then your turn will be over, and uh we'll take the next public comment.

Please give us your name and address when you come up.

That'll start the timer and make your comments uh, you know, so the council can listen.

If you have questions, make them rhetorical.

They'll they may answer them later, but they're not gonna engage you in a conversation typically.

So who would like to be first on public comment?

Come on up, sir.

Give us your name and address, and we'll make sure everyone gets an opportunity.

Name's uh Leroy Larson.

I live at uh one one five five three south seven hundred west, just north of this uh property here.

Oh, okay.

You're on.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

So no, we we moved into the that property about 25 years ago, and it was uh a really quiet, pretty neighborhood.

Osborne Dairy Farm across the street, Jensen Farm down the street.

Uh while we welcome the change, I mean this would be beautiful.

Um what I've seen though with the city council and everything like that.

For for example, down there on the corner of 114 South and 700 West.

You know, they said uh one acre lots, boom, approved.

Then they came back and they changed it and they said, you know what, let's do uh let's do half acre lots, boom, approved.

And then they came back a little bit later and said, you know what?

Yeah, let's do sports city approved.

And there's been no uh what is it called?

Uh the the road hasn't been widened or anything like that.

There's been a lot more traffic.

There's even been a little four-year-old boy that was killed on 700 West.

Um there's no sidewalks or anything like that.

So I mean that's not that's not their problem with building this.

I just wanted this the city council here to kind of know a little bit about 700 west.

Again, like what I said, uh we welcome the change and and things like that, but uh I think when we talked about this uh uh a long time ago too.

It was you know, can we do a speed limit thing on on 700 west?

The speed limit is 35 miles per hour, and it there's no sidewalks.

I mean, even if they could lower the speed limit a little bit, that would be so I I think welcomed.

Uh you know, speed limit 35, but everybody goes 40 or 45, and they got a little speed thing down there that um nobody pays attention to.

Anyway, it speed bumps even.

I I know there's the speed bumps throughout the valley or throughout the city too, where they you know would help slow down the traffic on 700 West.

One question I did have too.

There's an irrigation ditch that runs right through the middle of that that we get irrigation water from.

And just wondered where that might end up or where that would go.

Is there anything else?

That was it.

I think so.

All right, thank you, sir.

Who'd like to be next?

Come on up.

Sherry Schlee's Glee, and I don't live in Draper right now.

I'll use the address 1042 East for Union Boulevard number 378.

I would like this matter to pause for a few months.

I've been trying to contact the owners to see if maybe I could purchase the property.

I would like horses, and it's very difficult in this area to find anything above an acre.

I'd like to have four horses in a barn.

And I have some digital currency that each unit is a tenth of an ounce of gold.

I've been occurring for about a year to in all honesty and transparency.

I don't have access to that.

I expect to have access this fall before Christmas.

So I'm hoping we can pause until January, so I have a chance to talk with them.

I agree with what's been said, there aren't very good sidewalks right there.

Um I think that that would need to be addressed probably either way, but less likely if it's a one-family residence.

Um things that we might discuss in negotiations.

Had I had the opportunity, I've been trying to contact them, but haven't been able to find out who it was or how to contact them until about a week ago.

But building costs have gone up in the last three years, and it's now more of a buyer's market than it used to be, so profit margins might be lower than they were expecting three years ago.

Some of that three-year weight, I don't want to discredit their planning at all, but some of that three-year weight might have been because there were four horses on that property before.

And from my understanding, they had to wait until those horses were moved before they could um rezone the land.

But like I like I've already said, um, I just like to keep more acreage for um for a single family use.

I'm not so much interested in the property across the the street.

Uh what else was I gonna say?

It's just very, very difficult to find anything above an acre.

And I'm I'm thinking if all that they really wanted was to make money, they could make money possibly by selling it as a bigger parcel, or maybe even were you gonna build or just subdivide?

Just make your comment looking.

Okay, yeah.

Well, if they were gonna build, then maybe they could build a single family home instead, or if they were gonna subdivide, maybe they can make a profit on just keeping it a single unit.

Some of the benefits for Draper City would be there'd be less impact on the natural surrounding areas.

There's a beautiful creek right there.

Um, it would provide a lower density development of the area.

There'd be less tree removal, however, the trees do need to be pruned, they're kind of getting out of control, and having an owner of the property would that would maintain it well would be beneficial.

Uh family dwelling with pasture land may be more consistent with the goals, objectives, and policies of the city's general plan.

A family dwelling with pasture land may be more harmonious.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Who'd like me next?

Pull that mic right over by your mouth.

There you go.

Say your name again so we can.

Diane Brightling, and I'm not the least bit nervous.

Go ahead, Diane.

You don't need to be nervous.

Okay.

Um I really expected a full house because on other things that were mentioned that there was a lot here, and I think that speaks to the fact that we don't feel hurt.

So why come?

That one I live where I live is right across from Jimson Farms.

And that what we were told it was going to come out at the where Allen Point goes in.

We could have had a stop sign there to slow down our traffic.

Comes back later and says, Oh no, the builder says that the engineers say, Well, I'm sorry, that shouldn't they maybe they have to have less lots.

But we it really made a difference in our road.

Okay, so um sorry.

Um we've lived there 25 years.

I've talked with the mayor and with Tasha, and I've actually had great hopes that West our West side would be hurt, and we would feel more part of Draper, and we don't.

We don't feel like we're part of you.

It's people when we say our address in Draper, they say, Oh no, Draper's on the east side, yeah.

But so are we Draper.

Our sit our street, I can hardly get out of my driveway for two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon, or traffic when traffic's heavy.

I we expect it change when we came there as a previous person said, but this has become very difficult for us.

Okay.

I'm not asking you to don't do this.

I'm saying we need a way with all that's still there to go, that we are part of that, that we aren't being hurt so bad that our roads are being 25 years and no improvement with hundreds of houses going in.

I don't understand that.

Maybe someone could explain that to me.

Um I don't understand myself why that needs to be larger, but my husband is in support of it, so I respect his feelings.

That's hard for me to understand why you have to go from an acre to a quarter is pretty drastic, but I don't really understand these things like others do.

Okay, I think that's it.

Thank you for listening.

Thank you.

You did good.

Is there anyone else?

My name's Justin Fry.

I live at 11812 Lone Ridge, which is the call this out just to the south there.

Uh, we're really excited for Alan to be able to hopefully get this approved tonight.

We're looking to get a lot there and get a lot next door so that my mother who's alien can build right next to us.

So we really appreciate that consideration, and we look forward to hopefully getting this approved.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Is anyone else who would like to make public comment?

It is ordinance 1676 and 167.

All right, seeing no further public comment, we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the council.

Council members.

No.

Go ahead.

I have a lot of concerns when we really look at dynamically changing the identity of a neighborhood.

And we have heard from residents on 700 West consistently that this is a more agricultural area with larger lots to be intended to be equestrian properties.

And that is why we have denied other applications that have come forward that have looked to split some of these lots into more dense property.

I also would agree with some of the residents who have spoken that this feels like a drastic change to me to go from RA1 to four acres.

Sorry, four units per acre.

I think it is too many for me to feel comfortable with.

So without a development agreement, there would be no guarantee that you would keep those lots of that size.

So at this moment in time, I'm not in favor.

I I Tosha, I kind of echo some of your concerns on that.

Um I like your the plot plan that you presented, but I I agree too, in order for that to happen, we would we would need to see if we'd be able to have a development agreement that could come together on that would be the only way that I think we I'd be comfortable making this happen.

I would like to add too that there's no question that 700 West needs to be addressed.

So there's we hear you on that, and there's been many discussions about that.

And I do think that we are in the process of making some improvements.

Mr.

Cooley, would you like to speak to them?

My staff has prepared a plan to add a sidewalk to one side.

Uh and then we've considered the full improvements the whole length.

So somewhere between, you know, a sidewalk on one side and the full improvements.

Uh I have not reviewed that.

I think they sent that to me this morning, but I haven't had a chance to look at it yet.

I've got the long memory on this.

Um, there was a time when we funded the full improvements, the 700 West.

We funded it.

We had ready to go.

And the neighbors, they came out and said, don't do it.

And so that's why it's not done.

That's the sole reason.

So it wasn't neglect, it was it was a fact that whatever group of people at that point in time did not want us to do the full improvements on 700 West.

We had the money set aside to do it, and so that's why.

So you might be wondering why.

I hope now you know why.

And that's that's exactly why.

So now we've moved to a different phase of 7th West, like how we might approach it.

Anyway, any other comments, sir.

If you need the you get the last word, if you want to make another comment, you can before they do whatever they do.

If you you I'll give you the last word.

Come on up.

Well, several thoughts.

Um my colleague and I have developed over a hundred one-acre lots in Salt Lake Valley.

And I don't think the you or I could come up with a single one that has a horse on it.

The there used to be horses that were permitted to run on this piece of property by the neighbors up.

You see a little jog up there.

They had horses and they would allow them out on this ground.

Those fan th that family sold their home and sold their property and has moved to Tabiona for the purpose of having a space where they could have permanent horses.

Did I understand you to say you were uncomfortable with four units an acre?

When I look at what is adjacent, the majority that remains is A1.

Uh we uh are our intent, and I will make an if it rev re uh we have no problem at all with the development agreement.

In fact, we're we'd be happy to do it.

But uh I didn't know that you needed a hook needed that at this stage.

We assumed that that would come down the road.

Uh the present zone allows two units an acre, that is 17 lots.

It it you're incorrect, and you're not taking into consideration any roadways or easements.

I'm taking all of those into consideration, every one of them.

And our plat would uh right now be less than that.

Land use, not the present.

I beg your pardon.

Present land use, um I beg your pardon, not the present zone.

Uh so we have no intention of going beyond what is already permitted for in the area now.

So we're not looking to bait and switch or any of that stuff.

We have never done it once and don't plan to do it now.

When it comes to the improvements on 7th West, I think we all would recognize in improving a subdivision that the frontage on 7th West would need to be improved, including sidewalk.

The gentleman asked about uh uh irrigation.

That irrigation is an obligation to keep that water being delivered from the creek back up to where it's being distributed, and we would obviously comply with that.

Uh that's in work that works right now.

Um I don't know how to do this with fewer with less density and pre impact than what the general plan permits now.

Uh the improvement along Seventh West, I have the document uh in my file where a special improvement district was made I think three years ago, if I'm not mistaken.

For three years, I've heard about how the city was going to go in and put the improvements along uh Seventh West.

I think particularly on the uh east side of 7th West.

Why that hasn't happened, I've no idea at all, but it doesn't have anything to do with us.

I assume that's something we would work through with the city with the city engineering staff.

Uh there are no horses on this site.

Have it been for a good little while.

There's no horse being displaced, and I am happy to make a commitment this evening.

Uh in fact, you could have it as a uh uh criteria, one of the uh restrictions to a zoning approval of no more than the 17 units.

We'll never hit 17 to begin with, but if you wanted to put that restriction, I'd be perfectly happy, and we're very happy to enter into a development agreement.

We've done many of them.

Thank you.

Any other questions I might help with?

Any other questions?

I I have a question.

I don't know that we can approve a zone with a development agreement.

Is that correct, Tracy or Mike?

You you can have a development agreement that kicks in upon approval of the zoning, but you can't you cannot approve zoning within a development agreement under state law.

I don't think there's an appetite here for quarter acre.

And for this council to be comfortable with your proposal, it's it's not gonna happen with this zone change.

So I don't know if yeah, what we'd have to do is because we can't do a development agreement with this current zoning, we would need to start over.

You could continue.

We wouldn't do it.

He would have to come forward with the development agreement.

I have no problem creating a development agreement.

I'd like to know that before we spend the money on a development agreement, we have a little bit more of a consensus idea.

When we use four units an acre, which is not a density we're seeking, nor we when we use quarter acre lots, which is not a density.

They're not gonna negotiate a development agreement.

We're not gonna do that with you on the diet.

So if you're saying you're asking for something different than what you're saying.

So if you want to make your words match your actions, you need to come to us with something that actually explicitly guarantees okay.

Fair enough.

Any other questions for that?

No, I just want to comment respectfully, Mr.

Mayor.

Mr.

Green.

I think the zone is presumptive presumptively correct, and so I don't see any reason to change the zone on it.

Is that it?

Okay, thank you, Mr.

Green.

All right, Mr.

I I just like to note about horse property and acres.

I grew up not far from here on horse property in a development that are all at least acre lots, and almost every one of the homes still has horses, so there are still a need and an appetite for horse property in this area.

And this has to be I'd like to put a word I spent some time there this morning, and you know, I walked by several horses, um just to get a better idea of the environment specifically, and I think if you are going to build homes on 13,000, then that's the zone that you need to have.

Okay, Mr.

Mayor, I'd like to make a motion.

I thank you, sir.

Mr.

May, I'd like to deny ordinance 1676.

All right, the motion by Miss Lowry is denied is to deny ordinance 1676 and 1677.

Is there a second?

I'll second who all right so motion by Miss Lowry, second by Ms.

Johnson.

Is there further discussion?

Yes, Ms.

Johnson, yes, Mr.

Lowry, yes, Ms.

Fodry.

Yes, Mr.

Green.

Yes, all right.

That item passes unanimously five to zero in the denial of ordinance sixteventy-six and sixteen seventy-seven.

That takes us to item number nine.

Thank you, sir.

Is there any council manager issues anyone wanted to bring up?

We didn't have a chance to do that before.

I do go ahead.

I do, but my mind just went to go down the line first.

Marsha, do you have any items to bring up?

Tasha bread.

Needed to know the status, Mr.

Cooley.

If we know the status on the the trees up on Timoney Road.

I've had a couple residents reach out wanting to know where we were on that about the tree removals.

Yeah, we're we just uh met with an arborist on two days ago, and uh they're gonna give us their recommendation.

It's a state forester uh from you Utah State, I think it was, uh, that came down and walked that with us, and uh he said it would take him about two weeks to give his recommendations, and then we'll put that in a package.

We we're working with our city attorney to come up with some legal language that will help us for those who want to keep their trees to minimize the city's liability for doing so, but having an option to preserve those trees for those who want to.

That's kind of what we're shooting for.

Uh there's you know, there's been a lot of cities throughout the valley that have faced this and are facing this very situation.

So our thinking is that we're trying to come come up with something that we can present to the neighborhood, get their buy-in, present to you, get your buy-in, and uh come up with a policy that can be adopted into the code that will make it easier for us to do our job in maintaining the trees and the sidewalks.

So nothing's gonna move forward on this until we complete that study from the arborist, and then there'll be communication to the residents on that street.

Yes, I just want to that's something that we can relay back to them.

So if we're asked, thank you so much.

We're not doing this in a box.

Uh we're just waiting for the information.

So great.

Hey, great job on the many things you're handling right now, Scott.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

Um, I just have a question about Sports City if we've gotten their updated usage plan.

They did provide a um parking study staff is reviewing that.

Um, and we'll have more to come.

Thank you.

Anything else, Mr.

Green?

Do you have anything?

Thank you.

Is there a motion to adjourn?

Ah, thank you, Mr.

Green.

Motion adjourns there's a second.

All right, all in favor of adjournment say aye.

Aye.

Are there any opposed?

I we stand adjourned.

Thank you.

Goodbye.