So I've always intended to myself, David Cloward.

Thank you.

Flora Balker.

Josie Taber.

Marianne Akron.

Brent Morgan.

Brent Johnson.

Janet Simon.

Matt Evans.

We should have something more tricky.

So uh I think I thought I had in here the agenda to welcome new members, but uh so this we've got a new member.

David, can you maybe tell everyone just a second about yourself and why you joined it?

Looking for a way to help.

I was I got interested in the tree committee um because we're having a little uh event up at our neighborhood on the committee wine neighborhood.

But I was clicking around the the site and saw applied for the tree committee.

I thought that looks interesting.

So I clicked and go on yeah.

Well we'd love to have uh anyone join that can have um you know some passion and have some experience over the trees in the city, so great.

Um first uh item on the agenda is approval of the previous mini minutes.

We haven't had a chance to review those.

Anyone have any issues or concerns?

No.

Motion to approve.

Second third.

There was an email from somebody responding about something with notes on that.

I might if it might have been me on uh just following up on the action items.

Is there any other one else?

Someone responded saying they approved the minutes by email.

That was uh oh, okay.

I they submitted a motion to approve each other.

Oh, you know what?

Maybe it was it uh Michelle said corrections September minutes uh localscapes class was September 10th.

Oh yeah, so that's the same.

Okay, yeah.

Yeah.

It was past 10th, so not that important.

Great.

Alright.

Um, thank you.

Then first item was always the city updates first, so uh Dylan.

Yeah, thanks for letting me go first.

Um unfortunately I still have uh updates on what our projects are for next year.

Fortunately the meeting to kind of confirm what we're gonna be working on this winter for design is tomorrow.

So if I could bring that next time that would be helpful.

Um so I don't want to like field them if they're not gonna move forward, if that's okay.

Um and then um I did see later in the agenda the adding trees to streets and such.

You don't mind if I make a comment about that so I can take off after that.

Yeah, there's a shirt.

Um I know that the parks department will probably make sure this doesn't happen, but just to make sure that there's not trees.

Yeah, like well even if we're putting it in the park shirt where there's not a resident maintaining it, just uh bear in mind, but I don't think you guys will take care of that, don't I?

Yeah.

Um it's just been an issue in the last year or two.

And then uh do you guys have any questions for me?

Um I think so.

What else?

Okay.

Thank you so much.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh next item on the agenda was Marianne just the I know you guys had we talked about I think it was only over email since the last meeting that we had the adoption of the key uh Q adoption of the new plant inspection inspection and that would happen when you guys started doing new codes and that said that code was gonna that project was going to be still sometime oh yeah it's long time off.

Yeah and Jen was has been gone the last month so nothing.

Okay.

Um how how far out is the are the working on the new codes do you think?

We're only in like chapter three verse I don't know 35.

Yeah some next year sometime if we're lucky.

If you are two weeks two years three years it's gonna be a long time.

Okay.

So because the state keeps passing things that then we have to give immediate attention to and update the code for that that everything else just gets pushed back.

Sure.

I understand um I mean I I don't understand that but I don't know how that works.

If the we talked about adopting the the new specs for does that have to be actually in the written in the code because our specs in the code I mean for those uh tree planting space they would probably be by reference like the tree thought yeah because it's easier to change it and the engineering specs are not in the code they're referred to um through the code that says you wouldn't develop coding to this manual.

Okay.

So is it a possibility for us to get that adopted before we get to chapter 35 or whatever chapter we're I don't know I would have to she came back yesterday so she when I was following up on it before hi just um Mike Barker said hey he interpreted it as me giving you direction and I wasn't doing that I was simply following up in our conversations from our meetings.

So you jumped in and said hey can we do this?

So can we do that same thing now?

What do we need to do to follow up with Jen also to make sure we do the follow-up from the meeting on trying to get this added before waiting two years.

I think just having you meet with Jen okay and then you can figure out what the schedule would be and exactly how we would do it.

Oh we great okay um also I when sorry when we were gonna talk about new members hey Rhett how's it going?

Great morning we introduced David is a new member on the tree committee.

Thank you.

But I was also thinking that our new uh artist could be here see he's in the field working is he?

Okay.

Right.

Will we be able to have him at the meeting in the future do you think or if you're all just primarily to be working on trees that's what we're gonna have to do is working on trees.

So the first thing in the morning best time to get out and get started.

So we're probably not gonna have to hear it.

Okay.

I would love to petition to have him here.

He won't be here at every meeting no but we can have you meet it.

Because what our schedule now we sh we forgot to bring that up didn't we um we had to approve the meeting schedule I don't know what is it what's that you would end um now we've got it down to like only six meetings of the year seven meetings of the year.

So we'd much less of impact it would have been before so anyway consider our request that we create Kevin real meeting.

Especially because what I'm thinking when we talk about places that where we want to maybe do plantings in the city we want him to be the primary voice and the eyes in here is if like in the opportunity let's see um so the next one is uh proactive code enforcement of major thoroughfare street street tree care question we had was when we have situations like uh uh walgings out in front of Walgreens it it took months before we ever actually you know talked to Walgreens and by that point in the middle of summer and super hot the trees were you know a bunch of trees died it was really too late and we were too sad too bad.

So if we have co-enforce that we see a problem, we're not gonna do anything as a city unless someone comes and complains about it.

Which makes perfect sense if it's a resident inside someone's neighborhood, right?

I've had a lot in Draper that I didn't build on for 20 years, and believe me if my weeds got too high, the city was all over me just for a few inches high of of weeds, but then we have a major thoroughfare like 13th east, trees are dying, the grass is dead, and nothing happens.

Is there any way for us to be able to be more proactive on stuff like that?

Um except us noticing as a submit complaints in the system.

But that would know if there's no other way for them to actually.

And I know specifically with Walgreens, it was very hard because the manager would not cooperate and kept telling Dave you have to deal with corporate and illuminated.

They would not respond at all.

I know, and that we had that before, if you remember, I we had that situation with walkings and touristing type of thing.

I'm referring to not once we got involved, I'm referring to the months before the city actually you know got involved.

Um I'm only thinking about major thoroughfares.

Is there is not a way for us to be able to be more proactive on I know that Dave when he gets a complaint, it takes him almost three weeks to get out.

He's so bad dog, really.

So it I just don't see that it's gonna happen.

Yeah.

Since we now have an arborist guys, do you think an arborist can be that a little bit also maybe some eyes and ears on major things like that?

He doesn't have any enforcement ability.

No, I know, but he would be the one to say, hey, we have to do something about this, but put a complaint in the system.

I don't know.

Anyone can put a complaint in the system.

You just create an account and you can submit it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So we'll definitely try to lay that out.

Well you're map.

Whatever we have to be able to get it get involved earlier.

I did notice on 138 there are no trees in what they just did though.

It's just concrete to the road.

Oh really?

Which I'm not complaining about because normally I would not like that, but looking at the rest of 138, I'm thrilled.

Wouldn't that be a violation of control though?

Evidently it wasn't, because it's definitely you can count trees that are within 15 feet of the right way as you're shooting trees.

And if the park strips are less than five, you don't put a tree down.

Yeah.

Well, these are really narrow ones.

Well, everything's down 13 bits, nothing's wide.

Well, not 30, excuse me, and they're all narrow.

You know, when we make it.

Look, they're they're narrow.

Yeah, you know.

And speaking of the some of the trees that are dead that are still in the parks to except the weeds that are just tall with them.

Yes.

I was I was actually happy to see that they didn't try to put them in.

It's just it's too big a mess.

I'd rather have concrete than look at dead trees out there.

I didn't even notice the more trees, to be honest.

I know, that too.

Okay.

Um actually on that one, I guess not.

The next one was uh follow upon David's situation here with the Timothy Street and the sycamore status.

Do you know what the current status of that is?

I haven't heard um if the neighbors have heard have you guys heard No, we haven't heard anything since the last walk.

It's been quite and a lot of time.

Some people are curious.

Um trees have been taken out.

I haven't seen any action at all.

What is where is this?

That's like our real life of Hollywood, you know.

Or I mean refines are whatever they are.

Right.

That's like the biggest scandal.

Yeah, but it's not that great for things.

You can tell that I watched us.

On rambling or some it's like a bunch of both Wiley and those streets up there.

Um the the work that the crews did on rambling was really good.

Looks great.

I think that made people in our neighborhood vocal.

So they did meet with one of the members of the Utah State extension, the forestry extension, and he helped public works come up with a evaluation and grading for each tree to be determined so it would be an on-site determination of each tree, whether it is if it's leaning, if it's too large to meet the sidewalk, and try to get a more narrow decision on each tree instead of the what they have was if it's larger in inches than the park strip is in feet or something like that, they finally remove it.

So the place before they went into the intersection?

Yes, yes.

And that's why so many trees were marked.

So they have a more narrow form that they're working on, but it's still being worked on.

How did that not ever get mentioned or come out in all of those meetings and discussions?

If that was the process.

So nothing's finalized, they're still working on getting a more narrow decision on each tree is to like know.

So if it's a hazard, if it's leaning, if it's got two larger groups that are being severed with the sidewalk to determine if it's a liability, because their goal is to have them not fall down within a year of replacing the sidewalk, right?

So they're working on trying to not have to remove as many.

Yeah.

Great.

Great.

Thank you.

But I said nothing's finalized, it's still very much early stages of do you have any idea just where they came up with that first spec of so many inches compared to the feet of the it might have to do with the root system underneath the tree?

How large the root system is being below the tree?

Yeah.

Disagree with me if you think that's incorrect.

That that's exactly what they're after.

How do they evaluate that?

They say that if a tree is you know 40 feet tall, then the root system is at least 40 feet, you know, and I don't know exactly, but you know, like three 20 to 40 feet below that and the width.

You know, so I mean roots are very important.

Trees want to stay alive, so they will if they're healthy and they're happy they'll root.

Is there a way to see what's happening?

Uh is there more or something.

I think that's the point of the the measurement of the trunk is then they can see how aggressive the roots are if the trunk's really broad, then they know there's a lot of roots down there.

I think that's there's some ratio.

And there's probably technology, but I doubt that it's available fast.

You're not using that thing.

Yeah, I was gonna say I'm sure that there is technology that you could actually see below to see whether the resistance or that's not gonna be important enough.

What I think that they spent it just seems like we're doing a fair amount of work to create our own spec and standard land.

Yes.

They've already dealt with it.

And we're working with other Salt Lake.

Okay, that's gonna say very important part standards and the goal they're working with the city attorney, they're working with everybody pretty much to try to get a standard in place that will be this is how we do it going forward.

Yeah, good.

All right, because I'd hope that we'd look at best practices in cities that are trying to actually sell like cities the best, right?

And they just have so many years, that's what I mean.

Yeah, then they have these large sycamars in narrow parts of exact issue we're doing with it.

So they have those trees and they watch them at the parks, they do everything, so and that's they get value out there really good city to actually go to for that because they've been doing it for so many years.

So yeah, they are watching all the time whether a tree needs to come down or not.

When you say they is it in the public works, public works, and then is public works part of the engineering team then meaning uh Scott Coolie.

Oh next item was uh public education section for so the tree talks follow up.

Michelle's not here.

Um first we had approval in the 2026 meeting.

Oh, thank you.

All right.

I'm still looking at my notes I have sent to you.

So we have a action to vote on this morning, and that is the 2026 meeting schedule.

I don't know if everyone had a chance to approve uh review that, but that schedule looks like we will be um that part.

Yeah, but it's pretty much copied from last year.

Yeah, it's uh nothing in January.

We meet on February 3rd, March 3rd, April 7th, May 5th, nothing in June or July.

Nothing not air.

Well, this is in August, September 1st, October 6th, November 3rd, and nothing in December.

So in other words, we take off the three summer months and then the December and January, right, for the holidays.

Okay, okay.

Anyone have any concerns with with that schedule?

We did that really kind of that way our first time this last year.

Yeah.

I think it works pretty well.

So the goal is to make sure that we're we have time to meet well ahead of the planting season, so we do, you know, in February, March, and April, we'll just be able to get all the planting stuff plans in place with the summer off when we're gonna exactly mark that front, and then take off during the holidays when it's busy for everybody.

Okay.

Great.

Do we have a motion to approve?

I approve.

Actually, no, sorry, we have to take a vote.

All those in uh favor.

Hi.

Any opposed?

Okay.

Vote is in unanimous.

That's the schedule for next year.

Um so on the public uh education prevent tree talks follow-up.

Michelle wrote uh an email to say that we had we had a great attendance of both classes, the local skates and the tree talk.

She said um, guessing attendance was about 30 at each of those.

Someone I think said that they also joined the tree talks.

I didn't.

Did anyone hear?

I went through.

Yeah.

Oh, we like how to go.

They were both great.

The uh the tree talk, he was about 30 minutes late.

Oh, really?

So Michelle answers our question.

She kind of leaves it, she did a good job.

Yeah, it was well attended.

Okay.

It could be worth doing again for sure.

Good.

And Jason's a good heath engaging.

Yeah, yeah.

So this was the Arboristrum holiday area, right?

Oh or I don't know where he was.

Yeah, I say that just because he was on the holiday tree, uh tree committee.

But it's her friend that came to the walk tree talk uh the walk up there, right?

Yeah, that's true.

Great.

And I do have a question about localscapes.

So we were not listed as a partner on their website, which I think was interesting because I think that like so um he asked them at to look into that, and they contacted localscapes and are gonna try to see what that that process is.

It seems like they weren't accepting partners, and so they're kind of looking into that.

But I just have a question for you guys if you know anything about that partnership.

If anybody from the committee tried to um have an e told Michelle, Michelle.

I can I'll email her and just say she knows it.

But I'm like, that's weird that we're not considered what else would we need to do?

Is water pro does it go through water pro because localscapes through Jordan Valley Conservation District?

I wonder if it's through water pro if there's like a partnership through that.

Maybe okay, yeah, I can actually actually don't remember.

Yeah, that's interesting because it's probably gotta be something done officially with the city because of the fact that we've been doing working with local states for years now since well we certainly have a partnership with local escapes, whether it's a recognized help paid the D or whatever to be a partner or sponsor, I don't know.

But exactly we certainly do have a partnership with relationship and partnership with them and so yeah, thank you.

Um Michelle has been uh managed to now, so I'll I'll hold Michelle and then we had uh next uh talking about the fall local scapes.

So that was the fall locus week fall again.

So we're on some time before we start planning the next one.

And looking for she said the library worked well for the tree talk location.

It seems beneficial to continue to offer these two classes biannually, spring and fall if possible.

So we will have a copy of spring local scapes.

Um maybe we do that last year.

Is it April or was it March?

It was end of March, beginning of April, May.

Yeah.

The tree top might even be worth trying to pull that even earlier just because people you know, usually you're pruning and doing things with trees way before you are actually thinking about doing any landscaping.

So we're looking forward to it, but they're not quite ready to get out in it, and that's we can make plans.

I think it'd be great if we did a tree talk early enough that we were it was focused on prune and when we should be pruning before they start to go back.

Yeah, March.

Out of there in the March end of February.

Okay.

So we'll we can talk about the local scapes plan in in February for the spring.

Um and then Michelle, on this topic, um she on localscape.

She said, is Lindsay is Lindsay our inspector?

She's uh yes, the reviewer and inspector of landscape scope.

Yeah, Michelle asked, is Lindsay able to enforce sufficient plant coverage for commercial zeroscape projects such as Zion's Bank on Hunter 23rd to prevent all the all rock zero scape buck.

I don't know who reviewed that one, but they it would have to comply with the code.

And we don't have a restriction on rock.

They changed that.

I haven't been by there.

But I didn't think it could only be rock.

I thought we had you still have to have some plants.

It's the coverage that's the kicker.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And isn't it progressive where you can start out with a little bit and then uh like by five years that's 50% or something or it's seven you have to sh your plans have to show seventy-five percent coverage in five years.

Okay.

So that the it won't be seventy-five when they plant it.

Right.

But you have to show that the species you choose will do that and then average.

Okay.

So is that something that I noticed in things on seven plath that were completely wrong?

And I think it's a newer development.

So is that something that they just put the rock in first and then they start adding, or what usually happens with that?

Because I haven't paying attention and they just didn't.

Yeah.

There's a lot of it.

Okay.

Definitely.

And that seventy-five percent is only a year and a half old.

It's before now.

Then there wasn't uh there wasn't a return.

Oh we can't make them go back.

Okay.

It's the code that wasn't that in effect when they got them.

Okay.

So even if it was um it might have been built within the year, but it would have been approved perhaps before that year and a half.

So you're saying that coverage must be how much after someone needs to be.

75%.

And I think my Sally just approved not too long ago that it had to be 75% even earlier than five years.

And ours is five years.

But we have zero requirement for our agreement until recently.

Right.

So I would just ask him when it was uh written that way.

Yeah, just there was a time apparently where you could allow have full full rock.

Yeah.

There was no restriction.

I wonder if that has anything to do with our local scapes being official or not, if we're not because we they have specific requirements that you have to have certain amount and uh planting.

Yeah.

Or you would be able to get those rebates, for example.

Yeah, there would be no rebate if you don't have the primary.

Right.

So that's probably something we should review.

Um hopefully it's not chapter 85.

Not yet, but it might be.

So I think landscaping is 25.

Right.

But that's already in code.

It is.

So that won't need to be updated.

And that was all based on the West Jordan.

No, I'm saying if we need to change it to be compliant with localscape's requirements, yeah.

The ordinance was written based on the Jordan Valley Conservancy standards.

Okay.

And they approved what we adopted.

Oh, then that shouldn't be with them.

Shouldn't I be a problem?

Um what uh in a situation like Zion so Zion Bank will we can look and see whether or not it that had to impassed in the code, or do you think they maybe got uh an exception?

There's no exceptions.

No.

Okay.

So then if they don't do it the right way, it becomes a code enforcement.

Okay, that's what I was that was leading up to whether or not we need maybe we as a committee because we started this earlier, we're gonna be the ones doing this.

Should we go look at it?

And what?

Right there on the east or about 10 years.

So maybe did their last game?

Well, they're they're remote they're building.

They're they're they're building in your okay.

Like I said, I haven't been over there, so I don't know.

Isn't that it?

I don't know.

There is aeroscaping over there.

I haven't paid attention.

I are we talking about like the one up on close here, or is there another one?

I don't know about ten twenty-third and like ten feet or something.

Yeah, it's right over here on the road.

Okay.

Across from the bicycle if the bicycle's got now the old print.

Yes.

Mark it, yeah.

Yeah.

No one here knows old parts marketing.

Yes.

That's true.

Along with a couple more of us.

But I never saw it.

It was awesome.

Okay.

Well, let's let's see.

Look at it.

Yes, we find.

Yeah.

We're gonna lay down the hammer on somebody.

Especially a bank.

And speaking of that type of thing, how there how does it work with this?

Because we've always said as a committee, we are not trying to go try to enforce things in opening individual residences and neighborhoods and stuff.

It's all been about developments and uh in community development, right?

Um but that house right across the city hall that is 100% rock.

Isn't it?

Is that is that something that someone complained about and actually do something about the house.

Um well the new standards required you can't it's fifty percent sod.

You have to have that much or that's your maximum, then you can use the other materials for the rest.

But again, that's been there for years.

But that rock one's been there for like two years, something like that.

I think well thank you.

But if we didn't pass it, I'm pretty sure that it did not pass any standard.

But we don't review landscaping for single family helps.

Not at all.

Even if there's a complaint.

If there's a complaint because that's what I'm trying to say.

We don't want to get in the business of going out and reviewing that either or making standards for that other than you know, general, but but that one seems to be such an ISOR right across the city from City Hall.

I was just curious what would happen if someone raised a complaint.

If someone is um submits a complaint, what's the standard against which the complaints evaluated?

They have to figure out when it was done and see what code was in effect.

It takes quite a while to grow things out.

We look at aerial photographs, street views, and so the standard is still just whatever was in place at the time.

Yeah, okay, it makes sense.

But if somebody, like let's say I said I wanted to redo my strip, I could just go throw rocks in there without necessarily knowing that that was the code, and then nobody could really do anything about that, right?

Unless somebody complains.

Okay.

And then you have to look and see when they did it, and if they did it recently, then they have to fix that, correct?

I mean the the truth is we really want it to be similar to the same thing of you know, you're building your house and you're you decide to build a shed.

And people build sheds all the time in the backyard without doing that.

But if the neighbor says, hey, we can't build this right next to my fence, then the city would come in and say, sorry, do that.

I also think I like that we have these local escape boxes because I think it shows kind of what the standard and culture is now that I think is changing.

I think as more people know about it, I think they'd be more willing to do that.

I think they just think, well, this is we want we want to get rid of turf, so let's just throw rocks and everything because we can educate people.

I think they would do the other one because it looks so much better, right?

It's more it's not even that.

It's more about educating and they don't understand what the gravel does, right?

I had a really nice meeting with speech or supply.

Which you would think, you know.

But um, yeah, there's it's trying to turn the ship and the legislature is where the ship started, um, with the gravel and everything and trying to get them to understand how much hotter it makes everything.

Um it's I mean the whole thing is education.

It's not about looking, I mean, yeah, if you showed somebody gravel and then you showed somebody your brother's park strip, okay.

There's no comparison, okay?

How it feels, how it looks, all of those things.

But the other thing is is that it does make everything around it so much hotter.

That's why West Jordan, particularly in West Valley, have come in with a lot of their new requirements over the last little bit, because if you drive out through Dan and Yoburg and all those areas, they have these huge massive land and you know, this the big the buildings are big, that everything's gravel.

Everything.

There's nothing.

And so you'd think how much heat that creates in those areas is a problem.

So and it's mostly that I just think people don't understand.

And it's it's still it's not no maintenance.

Trying to keep the weeds out of the gravel, then that puts that many more chemicals down.

That I mean, it's just snowballing thing, and so people don't understand that it's not as simple as it looks, right?

So and I think a lot of people don't understand that.

Right, exactly.

But I think even more um, you know huge percentage of residents wouldn't want that.

This is probably a mental object or anything that's a brand problem.

Yeah, probably so do we want to I mean you just said you had a gravel conversation, it feels like something that we can print an image before and have a feature story about it.

So if you want to do that, I can talk to you about it.

Yeah, we could probably talk a little bit about that.

Um one of the girls that works with me, um she's been doing some localscapes kind of on the side, and she actually had an opportunity, she moved from sanity up to um top of immigration, but she had done her localscapes um actually before we hired her, it was probably about six years ago.

And then her um neighbor across the street had put in the white rock, and so she went one day and she measured measured the temperature and the white rock compared to you know hers, it was a huge huge difference.

And so you're thinking, okay, so you've already got the asphalt, then you've got that, then you've got the sidewalk, you know.

Uh it's like I said, I don't think people really understand because nobody shows them what the real big difference is.

And unfortunately, what happened in Salt Lake City is the rock growers the rock harvesters.

Okay, they they got the city's ear, and so they the city was actually paying for gravel over to everybody's yards.

Yeah, I'm like, hmm, that picture and nobody thought that through I think, you know, so yeah, it'd be I mean if we're if we can't enforce anything that seems like the next best thing that we can do is promote what we actually is helpful and why, so maybe we can uh I don't have anything on the winter uh draper forward um yet.

So I was gonna ask today, what do you want to but I can't remember what what's the the frequency?

Is it so two months, so it just came out, so by the end of November I need to submit the next stuff to Alex.

Okay.

Um so we could do we should talk a little bit about that.

So the next so will we what months will that come out?

It's gonna be January, February, January February months for the next one, yeah.

Okay.

I'm just wondering because Michelle also recommended maybe doing uh the a joke or forward article about you know tree pruning.

Um we have a tree talk.

Maybe it makes more sense to do a um, you know, something different forward announcing the tree rocks or then have an article specifically on localscapes and not zeroscapes.

Yeah, I mean just about like the and then the different also promoting the local scapes class.

Yeah, um I I was I I just was on this residential street in Riverton and I saw the most amazing landscape on a really like very modest home.

They're probably like a the neighborhood is from like the 50s or 60s, and I don't know who this person was who put this landscape in here, but um it seems like there's some really good examples too that we could feature um it's not in Draper, um I think it's a Riverton address, but um I was thinking about knocking on his door because I was like wow there's there's specifically photos that we that were used in the localscapes uh you know presentations which show really good examples of uh localscapes and can't remember if they showed it before and after, but they definitely show really nice examples of people doing the you know properly.

Yeah, there's some really there's some great examples out there for people that they can actually at least drive by and see what it's like and what the difference is because it's remarkable when it's done really well.

Oh yeah.

And I think people think about the examples where it's not done that well, then there's a bunch of rock and meetings and you know making sure that we're sort of highlighting all the differences in terms of property value, temperature, yeah.

I think it would be helpful, so maybe we can just plan on a really a larger than more and more um spread and overflow with some cool photos.

I think if we can give them the benefits of it, not you know, because there's so many benefits, and you know, it's not just aesthetic, really, it's just so much more.

And I tell people all the time, do you see in our native environment things going about that?

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

Well, we can start to draw something up sooner rather than later because we don't have as tonight of time or something like that.

So and if if folks have um photos that you really I get with the show.

Well, I was just thinking a few different things.

I um maybe is Michelle we can have her follow up on compliance, but the show ends up having to do a lot, so maybe we have try to spread that around.

Um we also do in the fall for anyone on local scapes on the status of our you know compliance and what that means.

Um and then we can also ask for some photos examples from them and give that to you.

Well, so I think it'd be cool if we could get photos from Draper at the end.

Yeah.

Yeah, we talked about before having like people could submit their things and we would post them.

The woman that did it before when we did the very first local skates, I had some.

And I know we had some that we were zooming in the presentation that we're drinking for residents.

Um they have to submit you know them the approval and the rebate.

So I'm sure we can get some paper even from the local scopes team instead of having control ourselves because it's not a good time to take photos.

Yeah.

Right, right, exactly.

Okay.

Um great.

I think that'd be really worthwhile.

But then let's also try to announce the local scapes and the tree talks classes for spring.

Well, we need dates if we're gonna solve to get those from the show.

Okay.

Cool.

Okay.

Let's see what else on the education here.

I think that was the trade before we um so budget and planting.

Um had on her we talked with the new arborist introduction and discussion of his role with the community off.

He's not here, but that was the kind of his goal, right?

I mean our role together is going to be the guy that we will be working with and looking to for planting projects.

Certainly there's a chain of command that you have to parks employee.

So as we discuss where we go in the future, of course would we'll be connecting you with one of the projects.

So yeah.

I'm just thinking like uh a lot of times we just had an open forum in here saying, hey, what areas do we think are you know a good spot for us to you know allocate budget to work plans?

And we're but we that we kind of put up ground all that to a halt.

We said we really don't have somebody you guys said we really need someone to be able to be feed on the ground owning this, you know, these planting projects and making sure that the trees are still good going forward.

So that's all I'm saying is ideally that's why we're gonna have a plan, yeah.

But I was I say that that's what I'm gonna talk about is here's role on maybe being the eyes of eyes for us to be able to say, hey, there's certain these certain areas we think make the most sense to be able to put start.

Yeah, he's gonna sell his own work uh use up for like 17 different uh items already doing yesterday.

Yep, that's great.

So he goes out and he makes you know, notes of hey, just trees a hazard tree, the stream removed sooner than later when I remove it, what will I replant?

Where will I plant it?

How many trees in the park, how many plant you know, trees are needed or can fit in here.

Right.

It's gonna depend on you know which trees with that's awesome.

Because what we because before we had a situation where we only had a very small budget, um and we still do annually, but we have now some build up.

We only have really small budget and we were trying to expand that by doing uh stuff with tree utap, right?

Because they would manage the budget, and that worked really well for and but it but for big projects.

Now we have the ten thousand dollars that we have already uh spent for trees that are just held in reserve.

We have ten thousand dollars for this year and we have ten thousand dollars uh that was donated from private private resident.

That private resident would like to see his go to like a park or something like that where he can for sure see the results.

Um but the other ten or twenty thousand, I don't think we have to always use it as just one thing in a big project.

We can start planting trees where this arbor says, hey, let's plant this, which replace this one, which we place that one.

And that would be a a really good use of the funds, unless you guys disagree.

No, it's just existing budget or do we need tree community budget to replace trees like whatever he's doing?

Good health.

Yeah, so I need to give him equipment we need to hear the way question.

Yeah, we're gonna you know, get it into the tree, piece it out if it's too raw and you can't climb it, it's gotta be able to use equipment for removals and pruning as well as a budget for planting.

So there is an event with the celebration of you know America's 250.

I think heard about that.

That um there is a group that's trying to plant 250 trees.

Um and so I'm thinking, well, maybe we could look into that and have that especially with the 10,000 donation, then if it was like a big event and we're using that to plant.

I don't know that we could do 250 trees as a city, but it you know, I don't even know if working with other cities we'd say in the in the valley we're gonna plant 200 trees or something in right now.

What is it?

What was the group revent?

So it's America 250, and then Utah's doing it themselves, so they have um so the state has it an organization.

Um but there's an overall America 250, and there was a specific kind of plant or tree that they were trying to plant, but I didn't know like how that will grow in Utah or that kind of thing.

Um but I can send out some more information about that.

I don't think you guys wanna to maybe you know kind of capitalize and back off of might be like I think we have enough budget we can do both uh an event and you know um allocation towards replacing trees, which we haven't been focused on placing the trees before we had budget and that resource.

Um so I think that would be great to but we can also also still partner up with tree new talk people for sure to get some matching funds.

I know when we did the uh disc golf course last time.

Did you guys also still have plans for a phase two for that?

There's there's space there for more trees, right?

Yeah.

Because they still need supplemental irrigation is to wait until the trees that were first planted can get cut off of that irrigation system so we can reallocate that system to new trees.

So I'd rather wait to do anything else there.

Okay.

Because we're gonna be limited by the size of the mainline they put in, right?

Yes, I can get water anywhere, but I'm gonna run out of it by the you know we put so many in that I have to still water all of them.

Well, and actually I brought that one up not necessarily for use of our funds b but because of the conversation I have with the guy that's the vice president or president of the Utah Disc.

I mean it wouldn't be just Utah the reading was national, but who was there at the event, disc golf uh representative who said they have budget, they would like to spend more money specifically on our golf course, so we were limited on just we would have resources to be able to do that.

So there might be more budget there, they could actually help with irrigation costs and stuff too.

I know they did like uh uh test right with some of the trees that could maybe survive by the river banks there.

Do we know how that went?

Is that ringing?

Is that ring a bell?

I think they planted some willows and stuff over closer to the river bank so they could just take the water from the ground.

Did you call it?

I mean I didn't know I don't go to the next one.

Yeah, all the guys from our presentation, but I thought she was gonna I guess I haven't heard what the yeah what the call and they ever follow up anymore, those guys from the golf association.

Okay.

Well, yeah, they always want more trees too.

Yeah, right.

An ongoing project for years, it could take a lot of trees, we just gotta do it.

Yeah.

Yeah, it could take a lot of trees for years to come.

I would just asking because I know that's an opportunity, but if we could put more funds there, or if we are gonna put for this board and the arbitrary work with them, then we don't have to spend our funds there, we can spend else.

Okay.

We just need to remember Dave.

Yeah.

Or maybe we need that 10,000 that was the private donation.

Finance tractor already kind of closed it up, but he's yeah, he'll make sure it's available this year.

You're gonna make sure it's gets used.

It's gotta be done by June 30th.

For sure.

We gotta keep that for sure.

I've already committed to him.

That was my action from last time is to follow the spoke with him and told him what happened.

Committed to be done this next spring.

So we're we're unhook.

Perfect.

Which is what we want.

Right.

Um otherwise we would have spent a very let's see.

The next thing we had on the potential projects was we we used to talk about this a lot and we kind of just tabled it.

It was the unification of any city entrances or street trees on the major thoroughfares after 138 out through the well, but that was before we had the specs in place to properly map those trees too.

Um to be honest, I've given up on doing anything with even Riverton replaced their trees and area up the end of budget for the gym.

That was 150,000.

Yeah.

I know.

I know.

That's why we gave up.

It's exactly why we just give up on those.

Yeah, we're done with all of these things.

And that that was the reason too, because what they tell me we'll come up with something that was like obviously it was outside of our budget still.

So it's it's not it's not important.

I mean, and every city has their you know what's important to them and what isn't.

Okay.

So I've learned one thing about working in municipalities, you you should never do it.

Always just keep submitted to the city.

You know what?

Let's imagine.

It's been how many years?

Two years.

Way longer than ten years.

Yes, we have.

And you know, the guy who got me on it, I actually talked to a couple weeks ago.

He's in Rivertown.

We didn't give up from collective, you know, opinion.

Where where do you where did where do you think that shift happens?

Is that from city council?

Or is it hard to say city management?

I don't know if it's this committee, you know, main responsibility.

I plan is a B request or 423rd, you know, that will get city council next month.

To improve the mediums on 123.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

We're not gonna no, I know, good.

And then you guys care.

But I'm just saying that's but that's the point is if it only goes through a request from you guys to get through budget.

It's probably it's not gonna change unless there's a city says, hey, this is something we now care about.

That's what that's my question is who decides or who makes that influence that we're gonna change so we will really do care about our city entrances, for example.

Or that complain kind of thing too.

So I mean residents that that find it unattractive, and they're quite a few.

Uh you know uh wheel is the right regress.

So if you look at the chain of command for Draper City, it goes up through you know, from city manager to city council, but like reverse back to the citizens, right?

The city council implements what the citizens push as their desire and then the city council implements it back down to the chain command to the portion voting, right?

Oh you know, for those of us who've been here so long, it's like yeah, right.

Well I haven't given up.

I haven't given up and and we know the city cares because we did that survey at the the constituents care.

The constituents, right?

That's what that's yeah, yeah.

That's all you responsibly.

That's it.

People do care, and they obviously said they would pay more.

You know, it was like I can't hold the numbers, but it was like we need to organize in March.

Yeah.

Because we bring we have I've given those statistics and I've given a presentation to city council or whatever that said, hey, this is what the residents said.

92% said they would they care about the city looking better, that they want to see improved, they want to see more money go towards trees, that um and that they would actually pay more every month for that.

And then I looked at the the results of the parks and recs.

Uh what did you call it?

We have plan.

The master plan.

Same thing as in the master plan.

So it's not that we don't have the information that this people wanted.

It's that what we have to do.

Yeah, I mean I think there definitely is a desire.

I think you know, having a new arborist will help.

I think it's kind of managing all of the components.

Um and you know, I have you know, I've brought up the everything we talked in this meeting.

I have brought up to you know to others.

So I think you just get having that dialogue and I'll keep bringing it up, you know, and hopefully you know, we can start seeing some movement on some of the other things as well.

So it's it's a it's a pretty significant you know, budget change.

It has to be a fundamental shift in how we decide to use the budget.

We all know that you drive in from Sandy, we drive in through South Georgia.

There's just a marked difference at the time.

Is it is the city council ever go on field trips?

That's a great idea.

We we have and I think like I'm always willing to go with someone said could you come look at the drive through Haram now that and I I realize Herman's a lot bigger than Draper and that's part of the problem.

You know I mean the tax break in Draper I I mean not stupid here we didn't know Sandy has a lot more tax revenue coming from businesses and but I was absolutely flabbergasted when I drove through Harriman probably I don't know it might have been five or six years ago now but I mean what they've done to their their city call I mean just their entire the way they've started just it's amazing.

I would have never believed in a million years.

What was happening?

Not if you live there.

No.

But you know living in Draper's not so funny with all the traffic anymore either as I cuss every day thinking what in the hell were we thinking when we put a summit academy and a junior high school in the high school and let's say one thing get everywhere.

And then you close 138 so I get it you know and I you know I drive through parts of Harriman too.

But I'm just I'm impressed with the fact that that was a farming community first.

Because I could yeah the farmers get a lot of people a lot of flat for this was a farming community they didn't understand how to do you know to grow and develop and and of course no does anybody really but Harriman did a really nice job.

And it's just by getting some ideas I don't mean that we have to be Harriman but just the way they did a few things and what they did was really nice about just planning head and doing some things like that that you know Draper didn't have the opportunity to do because when 138 happened it kind of happened in a like that and so I don't think there was a lot of oh wait you know what are we really doing in the master plan with this but um that's my two cents sorry well let us know Brent if there's anything that we can do because we we we like you heard we kind of gave up bringing it up again because I didn't it's gonna never give up well council that we should not give up so um let's try let's keep trying that was the last thing on the agenda unless there's any other business by motion anything else from anybody okay with that will we have a motion adjourn.

I motion to adjust that okay thank you everybody water way it's usually a waterway thing can be left to go to I thought that was right but then I texted camera to make sure recommending what they've done is they've taken