I can only conference out of it.

On my phone.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

This is the uh the uh November uh meeting, number November 5th meeting 2025 of the River City Parks, Trails and Recreation Committee.

And we are meeting in the uh conference room next to the council chamber.

And the uh first order of business is just to uh approve the meeting minutes from the last meeting that we had, which was uh what says here nine three and ten oh one.

101 we had an agenda top canceled, so it's just all right.

Do we have any um edits or corrections on that?

Uh someone might want to make a motion to approve the minutes.

Motion to approve.

And second all in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay.

All right.

Um so we need to look at the schedule for next year.

So I'm gonna bring this up.

Set that up.

We're open to any changes.

So I have some options to consider.

We just keep what we currently have.

So um so you know this last year we met.

This was our third time meeting this year.

In May and October we were on the agenda, but both got canceled because it was not in the cloud.

Um some other committees in the city are not meeting every month, and we may want to consider that.

For example, down here, tree commission is doing something that's interesting.

They're doing three months in a row, taking the summer off, three months in a row, taking the holidays off, basically.

Um that's an option we will we could consider.

One would be meeting quarterly February, May, instead of August, I maybe propose September, because August is still summer in November for another option would be six times a year, so basically every other month, couple years.

And then the other option is just keeping like we have a couple times a year, cancel at needed.

Um if there is a example we did four times a year and nobody need like in the middle of February, and it's like we really need next month.

We can we can add that.

I I verified that with Red.

Uh in the past you said, hey, we gotta get these on there, and I guess.

Hey, they're gonna adopt these.

Yeah.

But according to Rhett, we can go ahead and add one.

It's just here's my question though.

Isn't it easier to cancel one than to put one on the scope?

Seems like it's easier to cancel.

It's easier to cancel and add one.

Yeah.

But at the same time, if we know we're gonna want to meet a certain month, yeah, then I'm not having to send an email out.

Seems like there's always summer, seems like there's always times when we can't.

Yeah.

I mean there's two arguments for that.

Like that's when the trails are getting used the most, and most of the action going on most of the.

I know when I was on the Aaron Trails Committee, we never been to the summer.

Yeah.

But people are vacationing.

Yeah, and another thing to keep in mind is we can do a field trip without being on a formal.

What do you guys thoughts on?

I think every other month is at at least going or scaling back every other month is probably good.

Yeah.

I think that we started meeting every month, and I think that um how many years has it?

Maybe been eighteen years, fifteen, eighteen years.

It's been a long time since the committee was formed.

Oh, it's been a clock twenty-five.

Yeah, yeah.

So since the original corner can be and then there was a lot going on, and there was a lot of planning.

There's a lot of thoughts and a lot of discussion and a lot of development.

And development, and then and then we bought, you know, that first master plan, and then we were kind of building that out.

And then we got the Suncrest plan and we kind of built up, you know, did a lot there for a while with planning and figuring out where you want things and the design phase and then all the stuff that was going on.

It seemed like we're kind of more in a maintenance phase now.

And we do have some trails that we want to build, obviously, but it's not like it was before.

So I I think it probably makes sense to do every other meeting.

I think we were doing every meeting every every month.

We had a twice a month.

We sent for a while.

Yeah.

Yeah, back when Corner Canyon was first.

Yeah, when it's first getting going.

I remember those days.

So and the committee was out weekly volunteering besides the two months, two times a month.

So anyway, I think I would be in favor of that if we know if we would decide we want to skip something.

Or do you guys want to do something that's more heavily weighted in the spring and not as much in the fall?

Do we arbitrarily do every other month, or do we do six months, but we do like three or four in the spring and then split them up?

Oh yeah, option.

I probably like that one the most.

What the three?

The option second option two.

Yeah, that's right.

I can't see the months, but I'm assuming that's February to March, April.

Yeah.

That's optional.

I almost think it's still that's still two.

Maybe we go if we're gonna do that, maybe not those three months.

Maybe we go March, April May.

Yeah, March, April, May or something.

Well, before we just decide that maybe discuss, we're also open to times.

Um we walk 7 p.m.

You put that and all the other committees, there's some that meet at six o'clock, some meet at 6 30.

There's some that meet at eight.

The tree commission maybe 8 a.m.

We're willing to you maybe meet at 7 in the air.

Um and where we're not doing it every month, maybe it's a little bit more you know you can know how to do some.

What are your what are your all's thoughts on that?

I I thought every other month seemed to get and I and I agree with you saying it's better to be it seems like it's easier to cancel than to add.

So if we have every other month and then Wednesday at seven actually is still fun.

I don't know that I could do much earlier.

Um like Wednesday's my day off, so I have plenty of flexibility, but right now we've got construction going up in my office, so I'm actually working on the day, and I'm working in Park City, so I couldn't be here probably till five six anyway.

So I don't think I could do earlier.

I could do early in the morning, but I don't know that you know we have a problem with the tenants with like people saying getting a quorum sometimes, so I don't know that changing the time would help um that problem or you're all are you guys in the agreement with that?

Yeah, great.

That might make it more difficult.

Okay, I guess we just want to throw it out there.

No, I think we keep the same time.

So there's option one, two, three, and four.

It sounds like we're moving toward either two or three.

Yeah, like I said, like let's say we met meet in January, and we can't wait till March.

We can always act ready for you know.

What's the the other thing that plays into this is that we have to um you do a presentation to the council now, and when is that you didn't see interesting?

Yeah, but um, but like is there planning for that?

And there are certain months that it would be nice for us to be here just to get that list going on because the council wants to.

Okay, so we didn't we didn't do it last year, like the formal joint meeting like we were talking about the joint.

Yeah, we did.

No, I'm just talking about like we we come up with a plan.

These are the ones we did last year, these are the projects we completed, these are the ones that are on the list for the next two years, these are priority A and B and C.

We've done that that we want to do in the spring.

Well, we'd be continuing to do that, yeah.

First of all, and then when do they expect you to give them that report?

In March or April, so time during the budget process.

We could do January.

We did every other month, January, March, we could work on it.

Yeah.

But instead of doing the summer month, I wonder if we do January and then like March, April, May, and then take the summer off and then pick up a view in the fall.

I mean, in my mind, if we went with every other month.

I don't think we have to do exactly what these are.

We can this July.

Yeah, we can custom it.

I imagine this one's gonna we barely meet in July.

No, so almost you could just do every other month except for this development, like these three and these two.

Yeah.

Or we just did the tree committee this week and they did something like this.

January March, April, I think, and then they take the whole summer off.

Yeah, with you know, August in September.

Yeah.

Yeah, so they're they're kind of like option three.

But at the same time, the only concern I would have with that is I don't know if we have enough like we have stuff for the agenda for the next month right after.

Yeah, yeah.

That would be the thing which is like uh so I think that the day we may only look meeting February and April and September come back to which is fine.

That's still but we do January, March, May.

I like option two, but can't knowing we're gonna cancel July.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So we'll do it.

I do one or two.

Yeah, that that probably makes the most sense.

I I agree with you.

And do we just leave July on there and know that we're gonna if there's something that's up, then it's just easier to take it off and say and when we're meeting in May, we can just kind of say if nothing comes up and you're good about sending out and saying, hey, you know, you send me a text saying, hey, we don't really have much.

Do you have anything?

And then if we don't have anything, let's just take it off.

But I think it's easier.

We were talking earlier before you got here, Rats.

Like it's probably easier to take one off than have one, because then you gotta get the you know, you gotta get them to stamp it and put it on the agenda, you know, make an agenda.

I think it's easier to remove it.

Not hard, but certainly it's easier, yeah.

So they're be leaning towards option two.

Yeah.

Are you guys okay with that?

Do we have John?

You still there?

Yeah.

Yep.

You have an opinion on this?

You're being quiet.

Well, I was on mute.

Oh, it's all kind of hard.

It was kind of hard to hear, but I think option two is every other month or six times a year.

Yeah, yeah.

With with the understanding that we're probably not gonna meet in July.

Right.

We would be keeping it at the same time.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um any thoughts on any thoughts on making it maybe six versus seven, because it's kind of a weird time of night where you're you're in the middle of you know, your evening and I don't know.

I just throwing it out food for thought if anybody else feels that way, but seven seems a little late sometimes, and uh, you know, six we could be done by seven or seven thirty.

I I don't know what I'm just throwing it out there as uh for an opinion.

I don't know if you heard us talking about, but I'm concerned about how we can't get a quorum sometimes, and if we move it to earlier, then there might be times when people can't get here by six, and I'm concerned about that.

I mean, I don't think I I did hear that.

I just thought I thought you were talking about if you were doing it in the morning.

Okay.

No, that that does if if it's a problem at fixed, then uh yeah.

I mean, especially with traffic getting worse and worse and in Salt Lake and South, it probably makes sense.

And you know, this is kind of tongue in cheek, but when we start at seven, we have a uh uh an incentive to get this over with quick and get out of here.

So we should be debate.

I'm afraid we start earlier than everybody got all this time.

So anyway.

So we're gonna somebody want to make a motion.

Uh motion to approve option two.

Second.

All in favor.

I approved.

Hi.

Let's do that.

Okay, great.

Okay.

Alright.

Uh you have some uh updates for rattling, huh?

I was supposed to see.

Um rattle um that's here.

So I just want to I know when that's up this email out.

This is the thing.

It asked you to do this.

I was trying to get a file the other day, and it asked me to put the extension on, and then still couldn't move it.

Like, why?

Why are you asking me to open with Brad?

Just to mess with this.

So when it was sent out, I wanted to show kind of an overall.

I know there was some concerns about missing some features.

So this is kind of an overall look at it.

It's just what the heck.

We want you to do all these settings.

Good hell.

Okay.

So this is a truck.

So people from Adobe, man.

They're talking about the trouble.

I software every month and enjoy it.

This area.

And really, I think these were the two other options we looked at, and this would be a third one after we get some input.

There's not a lot of features we'd be missing.

Um if you come through here, that's that's where you're gonna want to put it.

Yeah, you're gonna get your stuff.

Well, the other thing I thought about when I envisioned it, I thought we would just hop onto Woods Hollow for that little section and then merge up.

You're just creating another intersection.

So I just thought, why not just use the woods hollow if we can make that lower one work?

Rather than make it get another interchange intersection.

Okay, so right now, so this screen was an alternative.

So this right now is fairly steep, and there's actually quite a bit of cut, cut slope here.

Yeah, and then there's the big turn coming down.

We looked at maybe trying to do it here, but then you're doing another turn.

Yeah, and then you gotta climb back out.

So that's that's uphill from there.

And then put peeling off here before the the cup for the turn.

You could possibly do it back in here, but this is a nice wide open area, so it's good.

I mean, when you come around, it's kind of an obvious place to it's flat.

So you could come off here.

So how many features right below your pointer there in that little?

Yeah.

Just the turn really.

There's not much in there.

Yeah, I wonder.

There's really no features.

Well, that was the problem is that when you sent that, the scope of it, I couldn't tell how much of the trailer.

You're past all the whoops and switchbacks at that point.

You're past all the whoops and switchbacks.

That's what I would after after I put that out, then I came back and said because I I wondered if maybe it was blown up too much.

So this was the one we didn't thought.

Well, we just want to get people off shortest is just to go eight percent climb to the flat area on people crest.

Another one is be basically flat about here where where it's kind of an open area.

And then this other option is uh coming down here.

Kind of this would be more of a flow, so you'd actually be weak and grade.

So here it'd be very flat, just trying to stay above the system trail.

But then here you're probably looking at about eight to ten percent trail to this point.

If you have it joined eagle crest, oh down here.

If you have it joining Eagle Crest instead of Woods Hollow, it defeats the purpose of what we're doing.

Yeah, I would rather take that green alignment, especially if we have dust and build it.

Just have it put some whoops and just any anything you might have missed there, just add some stuff over here, make it on it there.

So especially if it's flat or downhill, then I think we have one.

That the thing that I like about this, you can't see it here, but this junction up here, where if you go this way a little bit, this junction already has a nice wide and there's super cool map.

There's plenty of room here for people to pass.

But you're coming down this and you got people coming up this.

I just think we're trying to avoid the two-way traffic on this.

Well, you know, that's let's split people up as much as we can.

And that's my vote.

That would be my opinion.

And for the most part from here.

So if someone's using round um instead of needle press to continue east, once you'd hit this point, you're not.

This is a little bit of a point here, but it's not that it's not bad.

No, yeah, you're flying on that part.

Especially if you're able to come down here.

Now we'll have to make sure that we have good sight lines.

We'll have to clear some of those trees out.

Yeah.

So people coming up.

And then and we may put it put it somewhere in here.

Yeah, that's we'll have dust and kind of this is kind of the we would not want to tie into woods hall any further up because it's just dusting as good.

If we just give him a general idea, we can figure out where the best place.

So this would be punching.

And then that little dip, this dip right where the switch back is, is pretty, but above that I haven't hiked it.

How bad is it?

Do we need to make a GL or do we need to just pipe it?

This this yeah, this green trail.

Is this deep enough that this is gonna create a problem?

Okay, so right here, right here from getting from here to here.

This is awful.

Yeah, it's really it's of course they made it.

They don't want people going through there, I think, so they may have kind of chunked up.

So green alignment was um basically in my mind.

This alignment I've drawn is the longest it would ever we maintain yeah further further here, we tie it further here.

I think that's fine.

So that let Dustin figure out where you want to take it off.

Okay.

Um and if there if there is a little berm or a little jump or something that uh makes it so that he can exit there better, let him do it.

That's fine.

Now checking my memory.

This is just an exit.

This isn't gonna be we're not gonna we're gonna sign this so people can't get on because people are still walking across walking their bikes across the old junction to get your rattling out.

So one way I'm glad you said that because you know that is the other thing that I thought about is people coming up there and want a session and jump on there.

That's an easy that's an easy thing.

You just go from the red little switch and you just go down to right where you know to the left or where it's right in there.

Yeah, it's terrible.

While we have them up there, do we want to is it is it too steep?

Or is it side lines or what's it's do we re-institute an entrance right there where we took one out?

See one, but I think it's still used.

Yeah.

Yeah, I I think we keep it key closed, keep it closed.

I like it closed.

I like the idea of having the one entrance to the code.

I've always said when it went in, I was like, why didn't we just take it to the top?

So I'm glad it's at the top now, and I think that added a lot of on all the way down like a great way.

Get rid of get rid of where people are walking over to climb on again too.

I mean, if we have to, we can haul some fencing in.

Now, and then and then I think after we get it built, we we just go in there with some signs and we just said preferred uphill, preferred down.

You know, they can't go up that.

We'll put signs that say they can't enter.

Yeah, but then on the on the Eagle Crest trail, we should you know revert uphill, and then when when they're up at the top, we should be funneling people there.

That'll be harder just because of the nature of the gate and yeah, but I just think you if you can get people, you can get them separated, you have a better.

Here at the exit, like to continue east on Eagle Crest after the Eagle Crest.

The biggest issue is just when you have high school teams.

If you got 20 kids coming down Eagle Crest, they're all gonna have to stop five or ten times in that stretch, and now they'll the coaches will know to take rattle and hum to that spot.

It's only gonna take people one time to figure it out.

Right, because they're gonna enjoy it.

But as long as soon as the high school teams know what to do, that eliminates 90% of the problem.

Yeah.

But we for that reason, that's why we want it as long as possible to separate.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Do we need to vote on that?

It wouldn't hurt.

Okay.

I propose I I propose that we adopt the green alignment uh third option as uh they've outlined it with Dustin to uh use his judgment with one way with one way.

So from uh Rat and Tom to which all it second all right all favor?

I'll do it.

Yes.

Don't you love it when you get to build a trail that's like a couple hundred yards?

I know we already voted on that, but Radlin Hum right now is it is it bikes only?

Yeah.

So um so the runners that are heading east will still take Eagle Crest.

Okay.

That's a good point to make.

We need to make sure the signs aren't confusing to the runners at all.

I just wrote preferred bike round.

Yeah.

Okay, so up the red rock.

Um have been up there doing a lot of work.

Oh gosh, it's gonna make you do all the combos.

So here is the BS.

This is red rock trail.

Right here is where you if you want to go up and do the climbing, there's some steps here.

Come up here and then you come over here and climb before you can continue up our trailers come in here and actually done some improvements on this trailer.

So that's that purple, it goes up to the top of the climb, right?

Where your curves are.

We added a whole bunch of steps.

Yeah, it looks really nice.

That's cool.

I imagine it gets used a lot for anybody top rope and then.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

We actually had to make a science, this top rope with an arrow.

But what we're finding is there's other some rocks over here that they like to climb on also.

And some user trails are starting to come to the trees.

So we've got the let's formalize it with the natural trail.

Right.

And it actually would be a really cool trail just for hikers, even if you're not gonna full climb, just walking through these rocks and it seems like this from experience, but maybe it's not that way, but it's a longer trail, so it's gray is probably less.

Is that right?

Yeah, because it's easier to hike up that yellow than the purple.

Oh, yeah, it will be yeah.

So right now they're they're basically coming up like that.

And then here it's not actually this one's very bit of it, but they're they're coming through here on the contour, and then there's another one here.

And there's social trails that are steep and loose, and yeah.

So we'd like to go ahead and formalize a trail.

You know, we're gonna have to put up some buck and roll some locations.

Does it make sense to have it so you can access this or this?

Does it make sense to have this come in like where you're talking about where they're already doing it?

Does it make sense to come in here somewhere halfway?

Or is that I don't even know.

To get to that point, you gotta climb up a whole bunch of stairs.

Oh, really?

Climbers will always take the shortest, most direct route.

And that's that's why we've had to do a lot of work up here.

And this is actually right here's pretty it's straight up.

It's straight up rock.

It's just straight up.

So the thought with this trail is if a just a hiker that's not into climbing rocks, they can come up these stairs, do this loop, and not not in not have to go up, scramble up rocks.

So this is kind of a scramble through here.

Oh, I see.

I don't remember it long.

There is if I'm remembering on the left and easy side, there are a bunch of little just access points to the top of that.

Yeah.

I think it's right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Oh, I like that.

I mean, this may change a little bit when we get up here.

This is general.

So somebody have routes already put in on those other rocks, or do you know?

I know there are our dentists for the right.

I remember seeing something.

They're all named after dental.

There's something bolted in.

Yeah, I guess there were, but there's also some bolt kind of bouldering areas too.

Yeah.

There's like three different rock formations in there.

Huh.

Well, when I've been up there, I think that's welcome because it seems like it gets pretty crowded when the red rock gets pretty packed with, you know, and people are waiting.

So if they have other alternative, it might be good.

Okay.

I was just wondering when it when it if you enter in right where everyone's standing to go climbing, right?

On the other side.

Yeah, right there.

Because that means they have to go.

Because I think they're all standing there to climb, right?

Or is that a little bit more?

Their trail makes below that.

Yeah, they're up further on that one.

So where the dark shadow is, that's the that's the over here.

I don't think anybody climbs on that.

That lower trail.

Okay.

Yeah.

So right now.

So they won't be like passing each other anyway.

Right.

So I was like, it gets so busy right there.

And so we didn't want more people going through there.

Yeah.

And that's another reason I thought timing here.

That way they came up here, wanted to climb.

They continue this way.

They can the easiest way to get to this climbing area is this way.

Yeah.

Not that way.

That's why I did gather last time up there now.

Like, okay.

Almost need some ropes.

Do you just want to have that entrance or do you down here where it says existing red rock?

Do you want to make a little connector down here?

Well, over the over the to the EST.

What's that trail?

This is the E this is the red rock trail that ties into the Lexi E control trail.

The nice thing about having it looped off here is there's all the sign that you're right at that entrance there.

So it's kind of like a controlled entrance diet are into the office.

Because we we've done work for years and years and years because people just climb straight up and we shut a bunch of those.

Yeah, you can see actually right here for people to come off this track and go straight up to this.

So we close that.

Well, I'm just wondering, are they gonna be okay to go up there and go all the way around?

Are they gonna continue to cut shortcuts?

I guess fine.

It's like crafter.

Because they're coming from the thing.

So if there's an easy direct path, it shouldn't, it shouldn't be going down the road.

Yeah, okay.

I think they come this way because it is open.

This way you're pushback.

So here you can come and then it's wide all the clearing there.

Or run through there quite a bit, and it there's just completely where they want.

Yeah.

My house is right there.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, and that's the thing.

I it you know, you know the needs there, because you've got people bushwhacking that over there, you know they're gonna do it anyway.

We might as well give them a trailer to do it legally.

Oh, I wake up every morning somewhere to come regular.

Well, I think um, do we want to make a motion on that to approve that?

And then certainly.

Um I want to make a motion to approve the yellow new path that is proper to proposed blue path, but not proper proposed.

Second.

Alright.

Okay, all in favor of the aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Awesome.

This is probably the most difficult one.

This maple.

Is it was it fun going up there?

Is there a lot going on there?

Um not too bad.

We've simplified it.

There was there was there's some stuff where there's lots of trails coming together.

There was a lot less than you got than I had thought after the previous couple, you know, downpours that we had up there.

It held on its own, if you will.

So we went up with just uh just take the tour.

That's what we have from somebody from Odobia could help us figure out.

I just always say yes.

I don't know why you guys say no at the time.

Yeah, that's the only way to make it quit, right?

Yeah.

And put in your credit card number.

Um, so we went up there with uh and dust it.

To go look at this, you know, these different options we were looking at aligning Ant's trail.

Did you just orient me?

I'm sorry.

Oh.

The red is this is Ann's trail.

That's what I thought.

This right up here is where the old baby heads trail connection was.

This is where the old ants trail came in.

This is where that wooden structure is after you cross the ants trail.

And so this yellow stuff over here, that's the new ants that we made a few years ago.

No, this is the new map.

Oh, upper maple that we made.

Yeah, yes.

And then this is where kind of which we did on purpose, kind of a flow killer, so people down across and then come in here.

Here's the wood structure, and then this is the geo cover you kind of drop in.

Yeah.

Initially we were looking at doing a bridge over the top of that.

But it kind of we decided to simplify this.

So we went out there, ideas coming in here, and Dustin things you can really kind of make this a lot flow much better.

Come in here.

Yeah, the term flow killer just that that section's not fun to ride.

I know it's slow you down, but everything but the last couple switchbacks is people started cutting those last couple switchbacks.

And they're and they're kind of dangerous.

They're loose and tight, and they're supposed to slow you down.

Very wise.

I know that they're meant to be, but if we can if we can do this, I think that'll make everybody much more happy to ride the veil.

And we'll design it in a way, right now we don't have funny for the crossover.

Um, but we'll uh Dustin said he'll design it in a way where we could then once we have funding, we can just go ahead and put the flyover where the new line switch would be right here.

And then they uh um they would then uh we would keep that so if you're coming along hands here and you want to go down here and you don't you didn't start up here, where's the interest gonna be here, or you have to come here?

So with the flyover, you would the answer would have to be probably realigned a little bit, and with that um we would do a connection on this way.

But for the time being, you just don't want somebody coming down here at five to eight miles an hour and somebody coming over here at 25 miles.

Yeah.

In fact, we talked about so in the meantime it'd be an accurate crossing.

Yeah.

So with the flyover, we may actually do an option, it maybe even use the old alignment here as a a bite uh an access to get on the trail, but also if there's a need force comes along and can't won't go underneath the flyover.

That would have been, you know, there's an option if you don't want to get off your horse and try to get it through the flyover.

They can it would come off this off-ramp, probably the free-way off ramp, and then do that one.

This would probably stay staying act access to the other.

Well, if you take a horse on that, that complicates your junction down there to the blue and yellow trail.

Yeah.

But there's very few horses on it.

So it's gonna be the chances of a horse coming on that trail at the same time a bike's coming over the fly flyover is gonna be.

Or is it just we put signs like we do at the tunnel and say walk your horse?

Yeah, that is one of the few places in quarantine where I've never seen a horse.

Yeah.

It's kind of I don't I don't think the horse traffic traffic's been down quite a bit.

Yeah, especially if we're gonna say we have a trail that's open, so they'll say multi-use and it's open because we we have to consider we don't want to get in trouble with the somebody's force rearers up and slams them into that flyover.

So put a small sign off the big to get you know to be able to walk through.

It can't make it too big just because you all it's gonna be you need to ramp up to get it to it.

Well, it'd have to be so long.

Yeah.

That's the difference, right?

If you make it short, it's gotta be shorter.

Yeah, and you make it taller, it's gotta be a lot.

You're gonna have to use a lot more real estate.

This seems like a great solution.

Yeah, I like it.

I like it a lot.

So we'll the the tight uh turns will go away.

Yeah.

These will go away.

This would actually go away too if it's time being.

And then once the flyover goes in, there'll be some maybe realignment of both trails to make it more of a perpendicular crossing.

Um then have to figure out how to do the on-wrap and on ramp.

So some of the flyovers are just gray, and then you make the other, and some go one goes down while the other goes up.

Are you splitting the difference at all?

So this one you'd be coming into it, not not getting a whole lot of elevation, maybe going up a little bit.

And then it's a big drawing.

So in that where the flyover goes over, is Anne's gonna stay gray, or will you have it kind of dip?

And that's what we're saying is ants trailing have to do.

That would help your horse if you have to walk a horse through there.

We just kind of then you don't have to make your flat over so damn high, and then you can lower your grade there and just put some drainage on it.

That's a natural place to let the water on right now.

How much money do we need?

Flyover.

This isn't well the flyover.

He's gonna have to design the first problem.

And I know price.

I think is willing to fund the re alignment.

Not so much the flyover.

His feeling is if we're gonna do a flyover, let's do it on vertigo and uh we don't let him we don't have a problem with infunding both.

Yeah.

So the idea is doing this initially.

And then I mean my kind of my one approach is let's go ahead and get a design from a flyover for vertigo.

Yeah.

And why would I have it?

Maybe kind of scale, let's go ahead and throw this one in.

Yeah.

I would say number, let me know.

I would say it's under 50 grand, right?

It's not gonna be I don't think it'll be 30 grand.

You know, it's hard to say l what what lumber prices are now and then labor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean I'd say probably 15 potentially.

Yeah.

So let's get it, let's get down to the when we go five four.

But I like it.

But my some of the some of this has to do, I've seen flyovers where the gray here is good, and you can just kind of go level and then drop off.

It could be it, it can be pretty short.

And I've seen them where you have to go 50 yards, you know, to get them, you know, to get to get over to make it so it's not so steep.

Okay.

So it really depends on the we can check with dust and dust and the two button.

Yeah.

Okay, so we can do that with the right.

But right now I'd say it's between ten and fifty.

Yeah, so I do.

Yeah.

Okay.

We always have uh interm.

There's always just something that comes in like we didn't anticipate some easy.

Well, and that this is the way to make it the safest and to allow a downhill and another trail to cross.

And a horse.

And we s and a horse.

And we see it at where rush crosses down there on Canyon Hollow.

Like it's a a major stopping point, and everybody has to come to a complete side and then cross and then start again.

If you can do a flyover, it just takes out that way.

So we'll give you the opportunity to talk about this, because this is going to be on the RCRP update.

I think so.

So we have a plus.

This is on it.

Right?

This will be honest.

It'll be on next count of the detail.

Yeah.

Let me go advocate for it and you can see what I can get.

So this is the stuff above the cross and the flyover.

You guys were gonna look at like a a returner down.

Yeah, return trail.

Were you gonna do a quick one of those?

Or you just look at that.

Okay.

Because I'm not even quite sure.

When we walked out there, we were kind of like a little bit of a little bit of a not quite as obvious as he thought maybe it was.

Correct.

Okay.

Yeah.

So even even if there's a way to sort of shortcut it up to get back up on the climbing trail that we're using now, it'll save you some time.

So let somebody put you the yeah, the idea is to let you know.

Even if it shortened it by a third, it'd be nice, you know.

So you're gonna have to go all the way to the top.

Probably need to have two or haven't envisioned it to get more information because I we would have there was like two or three different spots.

And I thought it was one spot, Greg thought it was another spot, and Don goes another spot, and like going, okay, well.

Well, maybe um when you when you you know have your program that has all the grades and everything, and maybe it's just an obvious one, and we say that's what we had to go.

What I like to see is where are we talking about leaving the trail to do a trail back up to to where?

Like from point A to point B.

What are we talking about?

Right.

And which brings up another thing about this.

What if somebody wants to do that top part in session?

We usually were we gonna have an off ramp before the flyover?

Like right now, you won't need it.

Oh we do that.

If somebody just wants to session this top part, we'll have to have an exit for that.

Right?

So you'll have to have an exit to the right here off the blue, that puts you back on hands.

Yeah, maybe you do that to slow them down.

Yeah.

So anyway, my yeah, we would do the flyover.

But they can't be coming into that trail hot because people are coming this way on hands.

Yeah.

That'd be a weird section of the session.

Oh.

But that but you were saying that though the other day.

No, they wanted to session the stuff below the flyover, not above it.

Oh they wanted to do the top part of the main maple hollow downhill.

Oh, that's the one.

And come back up to where the flyover is.

Oh, I got it.

And do that several times.

They're not talking about that upper.

Well, I was talking about connecting it.

That's I thought they were talking about above.

I mean, that's a great connector, but it's not something people want to session.

Yeah.

Okay.

Makes sense.

Okay.

I uh make a motion that we approve that alignment with uh future hopes of a future flyover.

Okay.

Seconded.

Alright, all in favor.

Any both.

Right, where's this on the CIP at?

Do we have higher priority things anyone on?

It's not anywhere yet on our CIP list.

Okay.

I mean, we have several things worth waiting to find this.

Okay, I have some staff items.

But if there's support for it, Mike, we could probably have one in the next button then I think they're just gonna be easy to do.

Well, it's a smaller amount if it's you know 1020.

I can find that and just make it happen.

Because I think I can get three boats.

How much engineering do we have?

Do we have internal engineering that we have to hire that out?

Typically, like we did on the bridges.

We have the contractor get his own engineered plan that's stand by an engineer.

Make you feel like building some way off.

But on the to-do list in the spring though, if we need to do an inspection of we ought to be doing that yearly, I think, or maybe by years, but the rush bridge it's gonna dip, and I'm worried that we don't want a catastrophic failure, and that's gonna be a you didn't maintain and that's gonna be a lawsuit.

So we just bridge the rush bridge above the uh what's the memory cove or whatever it's called there, the big ridge.

We'll look at it.

We've checked it periodically.

Yeah, but I just I I worry about it when it makes a little noise and it's kind of bowing a little bit, so probably load and now it's settled, but I just don't want it to collapse on any way that so this would be under staff report.

Um is it starting to get the movement?

So I was approached by um uh Jake Jake Centerfield who used to be the developer of Blue Bison.

He's now developing in Alpine.

He approached us a few months ago.

Uh because he's developing somewhere in here in Alpine.

And Alpine City is really like to see a connection over to our trail system.

Basically told him the same thing we told Lee High City years ago saying what's the benefit of Draper City giving you guys access to our trails for your residents.

That's that red trail would make me so happy.

Yeah, so that's this button.

Oh man.

But if you did a trail that benefited Draper City residents, kind of like Lehigh's done that, you know, they provide some loops, then we're then we can talk.

Yeah, we might be interested.

Yeah.

Is that Fort Canyon?

There to the right of the red, right?

Yes, yeah.

So the three falls stuff is right at the top of that.

Yeah, right.

That's so good to make.

So I gave him this alignment, told him to get in contact with Bill.

Had a meeting with Bill and Jake yesterday.

Kind of about to kind of plan to do this.

So right now, most of the properties that we need to go through, with their Draper City open space, Alpine City open space, and Trata.

Well, most of the land, and then there is another private property on there called Fort Canyon.

So for the most part, as long as they can get permission from Androda, and he has some contacts and it's gonna be meeting within the next couple weeks.

And really well.

Listen, this is a big deal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is like wish list for like 15 years.

Yeah.

This is a huge.

You gotta contact.

Yeah, no, you can help grease the you know.

Yeah, yeah.

We gotta get this connection.

Yeah.

Well, and and here's I had to distance myself because he went crazy one night.

Like on Facebook about some stuff and sent some emails, so I'm gonna keep my distance.

So here's here's the here's the bigger picture, Mike.

I'm texting them right now.

Notice it's labeled BST.

So this is a countywide, statewide.

Like they want this BST connection all the way freaking goes way up north, right?

All the way around the valley.

Like we might have to go over the city.

So the Brigham City and all the way down to you know.

Anything you can label BST has so this is a good connector.

Can you can you help me connect that red trail that comes across your land?

You probably won't know what the red trail is.

You're gonna take a picture of it.

Oh, okay.

I'm sending the picture.

If we can get that, that's a huge score.

So like you said, big loops and that just opens up so much.

So this uh we want to do a connection to Fort Canyon Trailhead right here.

That would be the trailhead access.

Um this would need Fort Canyon LLC approval for that.

Bill's gonna approach them, we can need to push them in the past.

If we can't get their permission, at least we can do the rest of the trail.

The other thing that I think might be worth talking about is I think we have talked about if we can get this across.

We have lots of options to come from the top down here.

So they're you know, I don't know.

The problem is it's all private.

Uh we don't own all of it.

So that little round.

Long view is basically our most eastern trail.

All this is private if you you know it's own most four parts.

Oh, there's more of the port.

Oh, there's several parcels.

But most of it's owned by the trader.

So and then on top is the old uh you know, Perry.

So that little connector nubbin that goes to where that fake gate house is for three falls and trailheads.

And then you could actually I mean, even if we got you depending on funding, this could go in as phase one.

You could start there, yeah.

And then you jump on their trail system.

In fact, that might be the preferred route anyway.

But so our plan of action is to first of all get the property owners on board, make sure they're willing to, you know, grant the cities and easements.

And then come March, apply for a Utah outdoor recreation grant.

I estimate because it says BST on that.

Yeah, I it's a shoe in.

Yeah.

And my estimate on this is about three and a half to four miles of trail to about a hundred, hundred and thirty, hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

But if they're able to get the easements as a donation, we can use that as our match, part of our match.

So in reality, one of the might be able to get 80,000 from the so they say they can donate and use and they get a tattoo.

Um, I suppose I mean I'm not gonna make that representation of text message the subject to Grammar.

Yeah, my question was is can you help me connect it and all uh talk to them?

Yeah, fill them in on it.

Yeah.

So man, that's cool.

There have been some crazy landowners around that Fort Canyon Trailhead.

You remember that giant gated that 20 foot tall fence they built below.

Is that person still there though?

Or I don't know if he's still there, that that land owner.

He built that giant, and then somebody else let them bypass through a pasture.

All that below the sliding rock.

Anyway, some crazy it's alpine.

Okay.

You were talking to me there.

Somebody was talking to me.

That over there.

Maybe Greg was talking to you the other day about this down here.

Where you have a can you kind of show us what we're losing as far as our when when this new development goes in?

Yeah, try to give this thing to go away.

It goes away by so after a second.

Get your credit card up.

It goes away after it's a good thing.

Yeah, it does.

I think that'll look at it.

Three dots.

Three dots.

Yeah, yeah.

It will make it go.

Just for this session, so right here is Hog Column.

Um this is the new Alpine metals development coming in here.

So what we're gonna be losing that they're provided the easement through the development for Hog Collar to continue through to the Alpine Trails.

I don't know.

Yeah, highway.

That white gate may go away.

But it's that that's where we're looking at.

Um, and they've given us a trail easement.

Then it will go into the highland city land.

We identify because highland, they were they were really pushing to go up on this west side of their reservoir, and then cross the road and come up to Fane.

I'm like, well, that's that's gonna be the road.

That's the road, and they're and it's straight up to Fingo.

So we we identified where they can come in into the trail system here and tie into the Hawk Hollow Road, and then home.

Pretty much better.

Those trees to the right of the reservoir, that's where the single track is now.

Yes, they call the trees, right?

It goes down to that tunnel.

That's highlighted.

Oh, yes, city property.

Yes.

Didn't understand how they could connect into the system, but we updated uh Dominic had us go out there a year and a half ago.

So they're on board with that.

Yeah, I think on board.

But the one we're losing though is there's the white gate and then there's another gate right in here on our property.

Oh this will be part of the back of the lock.

So this turkey road section, we will be using.

So that's concerning for maintenance and emergency, not so much for trail use, but just for the pretty overgrown too.

For us, it was more of a maintenance maintenance primary maintenance and also you know, police and and rescue access.

Um, but we're looking at basically going in and widening out that first section where Brad's cursor is of long view, so we can at least get a side-by-side to the that first junction of Turkey Road right there.

That's a pretty steep side slope.

We don't have another option.

Yeah.

I mean, we we looked at putting in another trail and it would or a road to Turkey and it would essentially parallel long view.

So our thoughts were we just almost turned the that lowest part of long view into a road so we get vehicle access.

Otherwise, we're our other access is way up by that that tight switch or on the bottom, Brad.

That really tight switch back on long view off to the east.

Yeah, we'll have one access at the keep going to the east, our access is like way up, yeah, almost on Couch Hill.

So there's not room for that.

Yeah, and the side the side cut's not as bad as the upper another half mile up on it.

That one's really steep.

Okay.

You can leave that map up, Brad.

Okay.

Um they have started um where the old chain link fence gate was over here, they have started the preliminary stuff of building the road.

Um they've gone in with these huge masticators, which is basically a giant wood chipper mounted to the front of a skid steer, and they started removing all the vegetation.

Um we've closed the one little fango access trail.

I've met with two different contractors out there and let them know look, whatever you need to do to keep your work area safe, do it.

I didn't have a complaint, you know, from the the the walking groups to come in from Highland and Alpine, but they had to completely stop all work on Saturday because every time they turn around, there's people just coming out, and these things are like you know, chipping trees and throwing them out in front of them.

Um so all as they build that road across, which is basically gonna take out some of the fango road, all that access from the south is gonna be shut off.

Um trail.

No, no.

So if you remember years ago when we sold this property, we had the fango road.

That's the reason we built the fango trail, knowing that the fango road parts of it would get wiped out.

So yeah, it doesn't affect the fango trail at all.

Um so we're able to leave that open.

That another where the channeling fences down.

Yes, yeah.

That's that's the one that we closed.

Um there's if you if you go over there, you can see they've got a you know 50 foot something swap where they've gone through.

And what's nice is they're they're going in with this masticator and taking out the trees, but it's leaving all the more organic material there.

So when they go to rebuild, there'll be more organic material that will be left in the in the cut and the fill slopes through that, but it's gonna take them a while to get to where they need to go once once they start building the road.

And then along those lines, my crew and I, and and we all know what's happened out there.

We've been we've been looking and we decided that on Fango and Longview.

Oh, isn't that we have already installed well?

We've already installed signs, and I've ordered more because we didn't have enough on Fango and Longview that says you know, this trail of clothes to horses November 1 through May 1.

Um we're gonna install some more on long view and fango where we don't have enough.

You're gonna install some more what science.

We've already installed some out there that says this trail closed to horses.

May 1 to November 1 do not use muddy trails.

Yeah, um and we did some research, and I don't know if anything's gonna show up on here.

Try the VLC brand.

What?

VLC one right I don't know.

Oh, it's a it's a sign then the other two pictures I had to.

We were looking down okay, yeah, yeah.

There we go.

Um so we've installed several, we've installed 10, and I just ordered 10 more because we have more junctions than I thought.

We'll start out with these.

And worst case.

Worst case.

We build some of these.

Um did Whitney take that picture to you this weekend?

Where'd you get that?

Uh over that.

I mean.

We were just riding over, like, this is what we were talking about.

Yeah, so potentially doing something like that.

However, I mean hauling hauling those things in there, those things are not light.

Um that would kind of be worst case.

And someone on my crew is like, well, you know, what if there's snow and a horse goes in and breaks its leg, and I'm like, eh, well, we'll start with signs first.

If we still keep having issues, we'll have to put in those, but then potentially make them so we can remove them for the summer.

Not sure what to do exactly back there yet.

Um it's a it's a good step.

Yeah.

I mean, we've already got signs, and you know, horses can't read the some of the riders can't either, apparently.

Um, one other option we've talked about, too, besides doing this.

If it still becomes a problem before we go to the full cattle guard, is we go in and put in a really tight turnstile on those trails, and then basically say a sign that horses are only allowed on existing turkey road, hog hollow road, and Hofenboot to keep them off of long new fango the top of um carpide in there or tracks.

That's where the shot.

Yeah, the the equestrians that go there when it's muddy, they know what they're doing.

Yeah, and and the hard part is there's so many other access points where they could just go across country that we can't just place the whole thing.

Yeah, so that's kind of the the options we're looking at is you know, starting with the signs, going to turn styles and saying horses can only use roads, and then if we have to go to full cattle guards for lack of a better term.

Well, and I think too, if we can if we start seeing them disregard these signs, we get a little public awareness going, put it in the draper journal, and you know, we've we've tried to allow horses to be on the trails for all these years, but we're at a point where we're gonna have to remove horse access if they don't obey the rules.

And you know, that that's unfortunately you don't want it to get to that nuclear option, but if they can't obey the rules, we've talked about the e-bikes.

If they can't obey the rules, we won't let them go there.

Why are we letting the horses lose every freaking year coming back?

So once at some point we gotta once this alpine hollows goes in, they're only gonna really have in some of the other development happens, they're only gonna have the hog hollow access point.

Or yeah, peak view.

Um but coming from Utah County side, it's gonna cut off a lot of the access of the force and go to the top.

Hopefully, that's a step in the right direction for sure.

Yep.

So just to make you aware of uh that we're putting together.

Support and your expertise from this group, but for years I've wanted to have a bike rate in Draper.

Of course, I'm biased and partial, but I think we have one of the best trail systems in the nation.

Why should Draper have a good bike trace to highlight something?

That wasn't done over the years.

For a long time kind of debated what would be the best type of race, where, what trails really kind of landed on just to make a fun race a little bit different.

One that it's not like a niger race where everybody blasts off at once and we have a big shoot, big big go, but more what I call like a time drive.

So our thought now is start at Brookside.

Probably have two laps.

Cross the timing mat.

We don't finalize on the route yet, but it'd be a bike, just the time race, so you're competing against time, you're not competing against the guy next to you, but overall time and different classifications.

But you start your chip, you go up, say what's hollow, down, vertigo, up, maple hollow, down, levitate, or whichever one of the flow trails we decide.

But basically you make two ups and two downs.

And then when you come down the second flow trail, across the timing back, timing stops.

Just make it a fun, fun day with lots of different classifications, different skill levels for the kids, and maybe we just do one loop.

Just have a lot of fun with it, have the electronic leaderable or have different times if they show up to do their race, try and build it, try and get you know interest in helping with Corner Canyon Trust Foundation if they're interested.

Sponsor and promote is make a fun day, but also a way to monetize try and make some money for our trail system that we spent so much on one option that several people I've talked to kind of even know.

I think it could be four or five hundred people that sign up for race like this.

So it sounds like almost like an enduro.

Have you ever done one of those with your time and you downhill as long as you climb, they don't have climb against you.

But this I think you're talking about timing the whole thing, the whole thing.

Right.

No, we would have to do to parking constraints and other stuff, we would have to have people have time slots where they or they would end up doing the idea of timing your time on the whole thing.

You just do two laps, but it's two uphill finds and two downhill times.

I like that to finish on the on the downhill come straight on the colour.

Yeah, but we do that a lot.

We'll go up one, and then we go up the other climb just to brace it up.

I think it's a route a lot of people do anyway.

So right, yeah.

So you know, it's it's not that.

And it keeps it all over the but it's you know and it'd be you know, we picked this area because it it would be a whole lot easier to control.

We would shut down the trails to all the public that day.

Um create it like a dig day.

Yeah, it it's it's it's more of a contained area.

That one section that we were talking about, the the can preferred uphill that when you come off woods, you'll have that one section where you won't be able to have people right.

Yeah, we'll do we'll have to have people out there and we'll that's promoting and everything like this whole area is completely closed to the public unless you're a racer.

Yeah.

I think it's a great idea.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I worry I worry about parking and what you're gonna do with all the people for some.

I'm gonna start working on a site plan tomorrow.

Um, looking at it preliminary on, um, we think we could pull it off.

I went out there with our special that's coordinator, and especially if we say, okay, you know, beginners, here's your time slots, you know, do not show up before, you know, intermediate or whatever.

Here's your time slot, you know, don't you you won't be let in if you show up any earlier than an hour before.

I think we can pull it off.

It's gonna it's gonna take a bill to put this on.

And maybe you do a parking tag that's has an hour like eight to ten.

Well, we'll have we'll have we'll have to be gone so the next group can come in.

Yeah, we'll we'll we'll have to have like parking attendance out there showing them where to park because we've identified the road going into Brooksite and then Brookings Drive is really long.

We can only put cars on one side of that road.

Brookside we could put two, but we would shut down the main parking area for vendor sponsors, you know, whatever else, and they'll stop to figure out you know the main start and finish and the staging and stuff.

I'm trying to think of any places we can show in the back.

A lot of places that's the hardest.

I'd love to do it up top.

I'd love to use Suntress Park.

Yeah, but and then but you have overflow going on the on the Doug will be able to do that.

Yeah, it's not called Travers, that's called something else over there, but it's traverse will go up to the park.

Yeah.

But even that, you know, there there's there's not worry about people, it's dangerous.

I worry about people going up and down there and people getting out of their cars with their kids, yeah.

We've kind of that just for that, yeah.

We gotta then getting in and out of the park, there's two entrances, one sidewalk by the bathroom, and then the actual parking lot.

Um then who wants to start on it?

Who wants to finish on an uphill?

Yeah.

Plus there's the there's more room for spectators to go up from bump side.

That's something else we'll have to figure out is where we can allow spectators to go.

Um parking will be a thing, but the it's like that workside is kind of made to be the staging area for that kind of thing.

I mean, that's how we designed it years ago.

So we just wanted, I guess, to know that something we're working on, and yeah, yeah.

A lot of knowledge and races and stuff like that.

Are you hoping then for this next summer?

June.

We're hoping to do it the first week of June.

So our target day, we want to have it all coordinated and put together, yeah.

Right around the next first of the year.

There's yeah, I mean figure out all the categories that you're gonna have.

There might even be room for like an enduro category where you don't time the uphill, but you have to ride the uphill.

Yeah, because somebody would all the time.

And that would be like you levitate group, and then your double lap group would be vertigo and some rope button.

Well, and we talked about having an expert group three laps and final sure.

But you're right.

If you if you had a an enduro, you might be able to increase your cash almost downhill.

We're gonna get some downhillers are like, hey no, I just want to keep up too busy.

But I want to go I want to ride the downhill, and so you got more people that want to do that.

Looking at pricing though, most in Durros are on like 30 bucks.

Yeah, no, you're not gonna be able to charge a lot.

We're looking 30, 40 bucks.

Yeah.

No.

Some of the guys I talked to.

I mean, we do point to point what's that?

Or 200 lead bill and that's a whole day or you know, we're gonna run 30, 40 bucks or whatever, 50 bucks.

And doing it on that south side paint it all to the that's cool.

That area, the market parking is great.

Yeah, we pull it off, close down corner canyon.

Are we still do we have it on our um kind of wish list at some point to put some like I see some kids over there with the parents?

I'm like, oh we were thinking about doing like a little area down there with pump track and contractor that was gonna donate it all.

Yeah, it was Shelby that's gonna do that.

Now we may end up having to use some of that area just for staging and start and finish, and we hope you know if we pull this one off and it works.

Maybe we look at something bigger and put in like a big 50 mile cross country, but that's I mean that's get them ten times the work.

Yeah.

We'll learn a lot this first time, and next time we'll be better, but I think I think it'll be fun.

I think it can be uh and I think people miss racing bikes and draperies.

I think too, I really do.

We used to do a lot, yeah.

So we'd like to bring it back, make it awesome.

Anyway, and then so you just race this a lot.

Um, we've talked about this, it's not just your entrance fee, it's not people right now aren't spending any money to ride our trails, but they're getting gas, they're getting a meal, sometimes they stay the night, whatever.

So you're still they're still spending money, bring people in.

So we're still it there's other ancillary things that we're gonna make money off of.

That's our hope.

But it's not directly the trail.

We're not gonna pay for the whole trail system for this now, but a little bit helps.

Um we uh we were wondering, they have these um uh up when we were up in Bend, Oregon at the some of the trailheads there, they have a little thing that you have to put your credit card, and it's all solar operated, and you have to have that in your car parked there.

And we were like, Man, we should think about like we have talked about this in the meeting before about I I remember back when Summer Hays would talk about this, like we need to you know monetize it.

Like that's still something I think we could do.

Last week about yeah, almost that same.

Yeah, whereas you're a traper resident and you get it.

Right, you would be able to buy a yearly pass or they get it for free or whatever because we're paying taxes, but everybody else would have to get one of those tags, and there's absolutely no personal the only thing you're gonna have to have is somebody goes through and monitors and gives out tickets.

You're gonna you're gonna have minor enforcement just enough to make them think I gotta buy it.

I'm a super supportive order.

Yeah, and and these machines are really cool and easy to operate.

They're they're they're just a metal box with a little you'd have to fill up paper, you know, and you just I like it kind of to like Saratoga Springs City that has the boat launch, the harbor, the Utah Lake.

If you live in Saratoga Springs City, each resident, each home gets a free annual pass.

Yeah, because they're the ones funding it.

Yeah, but tons of people from all over Won't go watch their boat on the lake if they're not a resident, then they can't have to pay the you know to get a pass every year.

But the as as we've gone along with this we can't building and we poured money and we've got private donations and we've been very, very blessed and lucky.

But at some point the the maintenance of it all and trying to keep up like we're always short staff, but you know, we we need to create some way of and maybe we do even with that, maybe we do something with the mountain bike team where we can offer them a yearly pass for those kids or if we don't have to buy it every single time.

But there's some things that we should be looking at, I think.

It's not a lot different than either like a lot of the national parks do.

Exactly.

Parking the parking lot you have to have.

That that's what these are used to parking lot.

Well, it it's happening up big and little Conwood Canyons in the next two years, most trailheads will have to have a pass.

Yeah, and the cost is really a higher a parking attendant, a meter made.

I don't know if I want to come in away next time.

My thought process any time you have to take support.

Oh yeah.

I'll buy the passage.

And so I'm very supportive of it.

Yeah.

I mean we we've been voted as a community to buy and and we we didn't vote the last time, we just had money that we reallocated or whatever, and yeah, we then we paid it off really quickly with the sale of Blue Bison things.

So we haven't, you know, but but we have as a community we paid for it.

So I I have a view.

I like the people who are coming from out to out away from here.

And even if it deters two to three mountain bike teams, that frees up some of our trails, you know.

I mean, we're just getting more and more, and on a Saturday morning, you know, they shouldn't be there at all, and we're seeing them sometime on Saturday morning.

So if we can at least get something back from that.

There's a lot of we have the numbers on the trail users.

We know it's a lot.

So I think you gotta look at it.

If the county gets mad at me, like it's a county park within the county needs to start.

So I mean that's it's not a county park, it's a city park.

It's a city party.

But that's been one of the hang up to 2005, County did give some money for the purchase.

Let's just pay it back then.

Well, but you gotta get six more cops.

It's in their fire stations and deal with everything on the other side of this prison side.

Yeah.

But but it's in their easement, so they do hold the easement, but at the same time we should be able to get at least maintenance costs.

We should be able to recoup some of that.

Well, time.

Or they're like you said, or they should be chipping in or maybe I don't I don't think Solid County would have a big hangover.

No, I don't I don't I'm not I don't want to ask for an exorbitant amount of money, but I would like if you you have to get a little sticker to put on your bike to ride the bike in the trail, you come into City Hall or you buy it online, yeah, and it's eighty-five bucks or something for a non-resident and if you live in the city, you show up with a piece of mail with your name and address on it, it shows the draper address and get it free.

Like I'm totally I mean, I don't want to be a jerk about it, but I think if we can raise thirty, forty, fifty thousand dollars a year, like even that anything helps, and suades enough.

Right.

And if it dissuades enough people from you end up with the tragedy of the commons.

I don't know how many of you guys murder like studied economics.

But when no one is covering the cost of use, then no one's incentivized to take care of these, and oh and everyone overuses it, right?

Like uh the common actor account.

So everyone has to pay for their own usage and impact on that.

So it's it's a method to say it's not and it's really not fair for the taxpayers of Driver to be paying for the impact of people that are coming from us.

It's just so I if you guys are supportive of the mechanism, I'm supportive of the parking lot.

I'm definitely supportive of the parking tag.

I mean, would a would a runner put a little sticker on their shoe?

Or is it just bikes that have to have a sticker?

I mean we're probably treat everyone the same in the parking is the way to go.

Yeah, yeah.

Remember years ago we had a fee for the bike the bike plug in your handlebar, you know, that they'd go over the phone.

I like the parking thing a lot.

Especially like P trailhead.

Yeah.

But then it's parking.

It doesn't distinguish whether you're a biker, a runner or a horseman.

It's just in the park there, you have to have a perfect.

We would have to get buy off on residents around trailheads because that's one of our issues is we have so many access points.

Um peak view, okay.

You gotta have a parking pass, well I'm just gonna go park in front of your house.

Right.

Then what do we do?

And what is that no parking, and they just get a bigger ticket.

Yeah, does it force people in the neighborhoods?

I don't want that either.

No will.

Well, we thought that was gonna happen.

Never really did.

There are streets where they only allow residents to park.

I don't know how you would force that, but you can have signage to that effect.

I'm trying to avoid government and having a parking enforcement in Stop or like Salt Lake and Yeah, or milk Milk Creek up around uh grandeur peak.

Well, there's definitely some things we'll have to figure out.

And like winter, just winter logistics as well.

Maybe a QR code your phone like hey door code phone in the geometry or just well in a lot of places it's I mean if who knows what the cost would be, but anywhere you've traveled, I mean, all you do is you go up to kiosk and your license plate number.

When I was in Colorado, we were in uh I don't remember the name of the small town, but parking was at a premium, and there was a guy going around with the scanner, scanning license plates and it directly read that you know you you paid for parking.

And that's the other thing if you uh you could do that where you don't even have a ticket that prints out.

You just put it in your license plate, and then you don't have to even the it's even more hands off, but all that will take someone to enforce it.

Oh yeah, you'll still have to have some foresting then no one.

Oh yeah you'll still have to have somebody then no one yeah yeah and you'd have to build an app no no you just you just go they have apps that you just become a partner yeah there's already we just become um under that appear the service that's now already built anyway the thoughts uh yeah that's good what you were mentioning that's the same thing they do like on the flick campuses yeah yeah you just they just scan your license plate yeah and you think of how many how many trailheads we have how many parking stalls and how much money we spent to put those in and but people generally recreate for an hour or two or three whatever and then they're gone somebody else takes that spot let's turn it over all day long.

We have a lot of parking park park city's done it up at some of their trailheads yeah and you look at like horse and smith and it suckers always overflowing it's always full so you know I think there's some you think there's longer usage of PPU or lung Pike people go and then laugh longer.

So I don't think you're gonna but but I don't think you're gonna have a lot of cars going and park in one day but you know they're gonna pay it and either they pay an annual fee or they pay it every time they go get them either way I think so and I agree like give the residents a pass.

We needed that for years.

Yeah I think do we have anything else?

I don't so our next meeting's in January right we're adopt adopting our new every other month or the January we haven't traditionally met in December be thinking of what we would like as a committee to present as priorities to city council that's usually what we do in January meeting we'll just be thinking of some of those projects.

Also carpet is running great and you're gonna try to get up there right I I saw somebody post how good it's really good.

It's not all the way done but it's really good.

I think it could be a new paper trick it's really cool.

Yeah very good stuff we didn't the lower part wasn't that one there's still a little bit at the bottom cool okay I guess we'll see everybody in January what's the date we did make your motion I think it's the seven I'm not sure go ahead a motion to just motion dismiss who did the motion and uh all favor.

See what I