Let's start our meeting.

601.

We got it recording.

We ready to go?

Yep.

Speak up because the only speaker working is the one in front of Joshua.

The other one's not working.

So just be.

This parcel and this parcel are in Alpine.

As you can see, there's a little bitty gap right through there that we're trying to push back into these two parcels.

So the history of this is Alpine did a uh annexation of this land back in 1855.

So a long time ago.

Two mile by two mile square.

Uh about it says that it starts about 1,076 west of uh a section corner.

Did you think 1855?

Yes.

Um that was eight years after.

So the world, the world or the US is split up into sections.

I know you guys all know that.

They're typically one mile by one mile.

These ones are a little bit wider than one mile by one mile.

So and that wasn't determined until the year after.

So the final initial survey of the PLSS, which is the public land system, was done a year after Alpine did their annexation, and it's a little bit wider than what the two mile by two mile.

So this distance right here is about that one thousand seventy-six at that top part.

So when they did this parceling, yeah.

Yeah.

So when they did this these parcels, they held that 1076 and cake out and then went over and created this parcel.

So the D or this parcel and this parcel held that 1076, and it was actually over here on the west line of that little gap.

Uh when they did this plat in Alpine, because it's in Alpine in 2017, actually before that, in 18 and 1950s, somewhere in that range, Draper says we're just gonna annex to this Alpine City line.

So the two lines by deed are the same, which lines up about right there if you hold that two mile by two mile thing.

If you hold the distance, it's the west line.

So these deeds here for these two parcels are the same line.

When they did this plat, Alpine City approved it with the line being over to the west edge.

They actually marked the property corners on all three of these to that west line.

So they're still there, still currently there.

So those monuments are there.

When it got to the county, the county GIS said, hey, wait, you're overlap in the city line too from this 1855 thing.

And so they made them shorten their subdivision lines and created this gap piece there.

Nobody owns it, nobody's being taxed on it.

No.

Okay.

In reality, because those pins are there and that was originally there, the lock lines should go over.

So what I'm suggesting here is to fix this ambiguity of where that city line is and shift it back to where the parcel lines and everybody's been using it for ever, right?

So I'm just trying to fix a problem that occurred because of an apparent annexation thing back from 1855.

So it is marked on the ground.

And if you want to go to the plat.

The second the middle one.

Jake's called.

Oh, Jake's got it.

So this is what I'm proposing.

I'm also proposing this in Alpine as well because both cities have to agree upon it.

Both will have to eventually sign the plat, this annexation flat.

Say yep, we're moving it there.

We're in effect, it's it's a triangle piece.

So this is the south end.

It's only 16, it's a little bit less than 17 feet wide.

That we're trying to put back into these possible.

So north is now left on that slide.

That's north, yeah.

Sorry.

Just fits better on the plat that way.

So there's the found rebar.

We found another rebar there that fits with that line of draper, where the old parcels went to.

And that being said, I've also talked with a surveyor that is working with your city, Sunrise engineering Dale Robinson, and he agrees that this is where the line should be the west line as well.

Because if that's where all the deeds say we're supposed to be.

So it's moving it to Alpine.

So we're moving it back to the to the Deded line before.

So right now it's it's up here.

Right.

We're just moving it back to where the monumented line is.

Right, which would be within Alpine City limits.

So right now it's in Draper.

So the gray area is in Draper according to that.

Because you just called to that line.

That bound call says we're going to Alpine City, even though the deed actually called beats to the West line.

So that triangle will become draper.

Officially.

One supposed city.

No, these are from when before this plat was done.

So the surveyor surveyed the piece of land to create this plat.

And it and this land were deeded, and that's where that those deeds were.

I was just gonna say what did what did Brigham say?

No, they're not that old.

They probably wouldn't exist anymore if they were.

This this one is rebar.

That one is from 1850 something.

It's a it's a monument, so they were about three inch brass caps in concrete.

This is the 1880 plus or minus.

I don't know exactly what they were, but that's what they're representing is that 1856 permit.

Alright, so that's council members.

Are you uh what do you think about it?

So I'm sorry, discussion.

So the next step is to bring a resolution like we did with Highland, just a rev resolution of intent to adjust the common boundary.

Once both cities have done that, then we can have a public hearing and have any hard burnings about doing that.

It would appear not.

That's great.

I mean, what is it right now?

Just open.

It's vacant land both sides.

Yeah, and there's actually a ravine on this side on the draper side that makes no sense for draper to go to get that little piece anyway.

Okay, the draper parcel.

So will it just become part of those lots?

Yes.

Okay.

Is that developed or it's going to be developed?

So there's a house on this piece, and that's the only one.

There's a little access road that comes in and allows these guys to access it from Alpine.

So that'll just make those lots a little bit bigger.

It'll make them back to what their intended purpose was when they did the clap.

So there's no alpine access to any draper trails on that little I there's trails all over the place there that people walk over it.

I don't know, and access, I mean people walk over all of it.

So they're trying to limit it as far as I know, but I don't know that.

Alright, thank you, sir.

Thank you.

Any questions?

No, we will proceed from our end then.

Okay, just let me know when you're ready and I'll keep going.

Okay, thanks, guys.

Thank you.

All right.

Um next item is a need for close for mitigation.

Okay.

So we have a need to close our meeting for a litigation matter.

I need a motion to close and a second.

So moved.

Motion by Tasha.

Second.

Second by Brynn.

Um need further discussion on this motion.

All right, seeing none.

Um Tasha, how do you vote?

Yes.

Yes.

Catherine?

Excuse me.

Yes.

Fred?

Yes.

I'll note that that's unanimous.

We are absent Mr.

Green, who is the full.

Or Marcia said it was my theme.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our city council meeting this evening.

We apologize for getting started a little bit late.

I would like to call our meeting to order.

We're going to start off with the Pledge of Allegiance, which will be led by our finance director, Mr.

John Vike.

Go ahead, sir.

I would like to note for the record that our our council member, Mr.

Green is again deployed, and so we are we have a full council for this evening, minus Mr.

Green with four members.

Our next item is an opportunity to hear from our newest uh elected representative for the city of Draper, Mr.

Calvin Roberts.

If you don't know, this is the beginning day of the legislative session.

Or as I like to call it, the dark times that are upon us.

Whenever that legislature gets in session, crazy stuff happens.

Calvin, come up and give us the report.

Well, so grateful to be back here.

I just always feel such warm, nice, friendly feelings when I get to come back and see you guys.

Congratulations to council company.

It's a wonderful opportunity to serve, and I certainly miss it.

Um here's let me talk.

The big issue up there right now is cost of living.

That is an issue you hear from constituents from all across the political spectrum.

And so what you're gonna see from the legislature is a lot, and it's an election year, so you're gonna see a lot of attention on cost of living issues.

One of those big issues on a lot of people's minds is the affordability of housing.

Now, I have had the unique opportunity of being put and picked as the chair of the commission on housing affordability.

So I have that wonderful responsibility to sort of lead out in the housing policy space.

Um I'm gonna I'll I'll go through a few of the bills I'm working on that I think have relevance to you guys, and then I'd love to just hear your general thoughts.

So, number one, we're doing a housing infrastructure bill.

One of the things up there, we have this constant fight, state versus local government.

You know that the state, it's all the question is always should the state preempt cities and their local land use authority.

What we're trying to do is think about that problem differently.

So instead of making it state versus city, we're trying to say how can the cities part or how can the state partner with cities to help unlock more housing supply?

Housing prices are a problem, and we first have to concede to that.

If you look at the the rate of housing price growth in the state of Utah over the last 40 years, it's 5.2% year over year.

Wages is only three and a half percent.

So you don't need to have a math degree to know that wages are just not keeping up with housing growth.

So what do we do?

We try to figure out ways to get more supply online.

As you know, through the good work via the league, there's a lot of units that are entitled, planned for, zoned in some manner throughout the state that currently aren't being built.

I think the example you you like to use, Mr.

Mayor is the uh, I think our TOD down there on West Draper, right?

That unlimited height that that doesn't get touched.

One of the things we've looked at hard is is how can the state partner with cities on strategic regional infrastructure with a nexus to housing?

So instead of coming in and taking away local land use authority, can we look at providing a financing mechanism for cities, city-led um to help finance some of the big regional infrastructure?

So I'll give you an example.

There's a big project in West Jordan on the west side of the county.

There's a couple thousand entitled units, they have a development agreement in place.

Multiple developers, but the issue is they've got two water treatment facilities, uh, water tanks, 25 million a pop.

And so the developer will come and say, look, you know, our subdivision is just gonna use part of that.

We can't afford and make the math work to pay for that big piece of infrastructure.

City doesn't have the room in for the in their budget to do it, and so you've got this planned housing that's not being built because of the lack of the regional infrastructure investment.

So we're working really hard on a bill that would make available a basically a fund to cities to come and to submit applications, it'll be below market interest rates.

You can pick how you securitize the actual loans so you can come with either increments or impact fees or an assessment, however you want to do it, but it basically provides cheaper financing to cities with that regional infrastructure support.

So that's one uh big bill I'm running and focusing on the housing side.

There's another one, which is around state land.

So we've got a lot of state land, there's 300 acres in Salt Lake County right now, developable land that UDOT owns.

And the question is how can the state take that land and ultimately entitle it to be more pro housing?

And so we're putting together a process by which the state would work closely with local government in entitling that state land and op ultimately making it available to the private market and then to be developed.

Um what else am I working on?

Gas tax reduction.

You can blame this on Greg Hughes.

So Greg Hughes is friends with the speaker Mike Schultz, he has been on the gas tax for years.

He talks about it constantly as a radio show.

It's a big priority for Speaker Mike Schultz.

I'm running that bill, and so I'm constantly in meetings with all the major oil and gas industry players because it's going to be revenue neutral to the transportation fund, but we're trying to drop the gas tax by 50%.

We'll see.

That's aggressive.

So I'm doing a big economic development bill that will have some impact on cities.

It's city initiated, initiated, it's a process outside of the normal CRA RDA process.

Uh, but essentially it allows you to create regionally important zones, city-led, um, but you can drag school boards along with you, and that's the key value of these increment deals, and we can talk more detail that if you're interested, but you'll see that one coming, especially in your role in the league.

So, anyways, I'm rambling.

What anything on on your mind?

I I should say one more one more point.

Point infrastructure.

I think 18 million dollars, something like that is what I've been told, is needed for this first phase of that that backbone infrastructure.

So I think we've got a clear path.

I've told you this, Mr.

Mayor, to put that infrastructure in one of these bills I'm doing.

So I I think there's support from speaker, Senate President, and the bodies to actually have the state facilitate that financing.

Now it is just a loan, and it will be paid off by that first phase sell.

Um, but expect to see something like that in one of my bills.

And then lastly, I'll say I know that there's a lot of infrastructure needs here.

Um talk about the pipeline, the um the water line to Suncrest.

Uh I'm having a meeting with Greg Curtis tomorrow night, and Senator Collermore, who's our senator, to talk about some of the infrastructure dollars available to Salt Lake County cities.

And so I would love to have that conversation with you about what priorities there are for the city of Draper and to see if we can I can try to get that into a bill.

So I'll stop there.

I've got I got an issue.

One of the things I want you to be aware of is we um there's all this talk about property tax and how we're gonna deal with property tax.

And I get it, I hate taxes as much as the next person.

But the reality of how we fund local government is the blend of property tax, sales tax, and some other funds.

Mike, how many, what was the percentage?

45 to 60 percent is the latest I see.

We've done the math just recently this evening, John.

Are you there you are?

If if that were to go into effect, just that policy change alone puts about a 1.6 million dollar hole in our budget immediately.

Now, uh contrary to what everyone might think, we don't have you know extra money like that sitting around.

I mean, I'm I'm inviting you tomorrow as all to the state of the city.

Um, and you're welcome to bring Senator Cullimore along, and then you could we can have that meeting after if you want.

But I'm gonna talk about you know those things that we do and what it would cost.

I think it's great to talk about lowering taxes, but please don't forget, and you know this because you've sat up here, if you do away with property tax or you change it somehow, that somehow the resident saves 80 bucks, that that translates across to less law enforcement, less less parks, less everything.

And and maybe people are fine with that, but it it's it if we took a 1.6 million dollar hit, in addition to the cost of asphalt, fuel, you know, concrete, everything that we buy, you just start to see pretty soon cities are you know, I don't know, you you live without a lot of municipal services, and maybe that's fine, but uh it needs to be considered when you're looking at all these ways to you know to save money on property tax and those kind of things.

Unless there's another way we get if we get more sales tax to offset it, maybe that's the way it happens.

But just keep that in mind, it's legitimately something we would be in a bad situation over.

Oh, I fully understand it.

And then if you cap property tax at say a percentage, you know, I don't know how that works.

I mean, we've only done one property tax increase in 17 years.

We tried one last year, it didn't work, but um, but we haven't done a bunch.

We've we've been able to manage our money and and try our best with growth, sales tax growth to to not overburden our residents.

But if you say it's five percent, that's all you can do.

Every city in this state's gonna do five percent every single year because inflation's four.

I mean, we just just think about that stuff from that perspective.

I mean, I understand nobody likes paying them, but we get a lot for what we pay our portion for Draper City.

That's my two cents on that.

So yeah, look, if I can address that, though totally with you.

Um that particular bill, it it would hold the revenue stream constant.

It really would just shift the burden away from residential to commercial.

It wouldn't have an impact on your overall property uh property tax revenue.

So you guys would for the I think if we're talking about the same bill, you guys would be fine.

Really, what it would do is just say, you know, you go to the assessor's office, they're valuing commercial at a much slower rate than they are valuing residential, and so it's shifted the burden onto residents by increasing that exemption, it just shifts it back to commercial, which we're gonna have a robust policy debate up there if that's what we want, because that's really what it is.

It's gonna hold revenue harmless for you guys.

Just I just want to make sure you know that.

And I think if if it weren't, it certainly wouldn't get a yes vote from me, and I don't think it would get a yes vote from very very many other people.

So you're saying it would raise the commercial property tax?

Is that what it would do?

Yeah, you get you know, whenever you get the assessor's office, they go do their valuation, you set the revenue, you do the truth in taxation.

It's making the exemption larger on residential, so the taxable base of the primary residents is lower, and and you're so therefore you're less you're uh a smaller portion of the overall pie.

It's really just so what's happening is it's shifting it to the commercial.

So if you're a you know, if you own a commercial building, your property taxes are gonna be going up even though rates didn't go up while the residential guys goes down.

But the overall revenue is neutral to the city.

Except for the fact that you know, traditional economic theory is you raise the price on the businesses, they're gonna raise the price on their products and maybe lay off some of their workers.

I mean that's you know, I know we're in a whole new era of economics nationally than we were saying in the Reagan years, but I don't know what the version we're in now is.

But uh hopefully you're I mean you're smart, you you know you've got a good handle on on that kind of stuff.

With respect to Mayor, that's if I might that that's gonna be the debate is because it's easy to I look, I when I knocked on doors for this election, like you know, what people told me was property tax, I heard that all the time.

So the state is feeling that, and that's what you're seeing a lot of legislators want to try to get into that space.

You're I think there's gonna be a lot of property tax bills that I'm not gonna like because they are gonna try to do things that are gonna make it harder for you to budget and plan and to ultimately fund city operations.

But that particular bill that you're talking about the residential exemption, it's just gonna move it over to the commercial.

Now we'll have the debate up there if we think that's good policy, because you're right.

If you're a commercial landowner, you're gonna pay more, and you're probably just gonna try to pass that cost on to your consumer.

So then on land use, um just putting on our hats as council members and members of the league.

As we as we over the years, and you've been part of this last session, and you know this as a council member.

We have we have made lots of different, we've agreed to all kinds of different you know, lids, pids, dids.

I can't even think of them all.

Zoning code chair.

We've we as a as a group of cities in the state, contrary to what we get talked about in the media a lot where we're we're the sole problem.

And I've heard it said from the you know, from the governor on down that the housing crisis is the fault of the city and our zoning authority.

I mean, we know that's not true, but we also know that that resonates with the development community and everybody else that wants to hear that's somebody to blame, it's easy to blame the cities, not interest rates, not all the not all the things that it is, or the 138,000 entitled units that aren't being built with a housing crisis of 40,000 units.

I just want to get that out there.

That there's enough entitled units to fix the entire damn crisis if they just got built, but they're not.

And that's still, yeah, we're still in a housing crisis caused by our land use authority.

That's all I want you to keep in mind.

Oh, I go forward every night I go to sleep.

I think about that, and you're yeah, keep keep some of those, all the programs we've tried to there aren't even really fully working yet.

Let's let those kind of go through before we create another program, I guess.

Yeah, and what I'd say is this there was a quote today from Governor Cox, I think with KSL, where he said he does not think that the state should preempt local land authority.

I know it's I know it's head different tune because he said it two weeks ago that he did.

But here's the thing I'll just just to give you a sense for the politics up there.

The House is very much not supportive of local land use preemption.

I'm gonna be presenting to my majority caucus on Friday on housing.

I have a good feel for where people at.

There is no land use preemption that is just going to get through that body.

Speaker Mike Schultz has talked about it.

We're not gonna do it.

And so I think what you've seen, and this is again this whole last year.

I've spent trying to work on thinking about the problem differently.

You're gonna see housing solutions come out of the the House of Representatives.

Um that's gonna try it's trying to be more focused on infrastructure, things like that to unlock that those units that have been planned for.

And I think the conversation is changing up there around the issue, and I think it's healthy because I think to your point, Mayor, you can't put it all in the feet of cities because all you can do is zone and plan, and we've got a lot of zone for plan and entitled units.

I gave you example of West Jordan.

There's two thousand units, not just zone four in a development agreement, like ready to go.

Like you could move to permits pretty quickly that's not being built.

Why?

Because of regional infrastructure gaps.

Well, we'll see if that really is.

I mean, when you put your program up, we'll see if it takes up.

Because I I think it's a lot more than that.

I think it's developer profit, it's not one to flood the market with too many.

I I think there's a lot of dynamics wanting to keep that price right where it's perfect.

But I'm cynical today, sorry.

It's okay.

Sorry, folks.

Um, but anyway, thanks, Calvin.

Anyone else have any?

Just thank you, Cal for your service, and we know that you'll represent Draper in uh the way that we need to be represented.

So thank you.

I'm excited to see how you do as the chair with the housing affordability.

That's a big big nugget.

I think that's wonderful the message of not preempting local land authority, and if we can extend that to local taxing authority, I think it's the same principle that the state shouldn't be limiting, you know, what increase we can make over a year.

I think the mayor said it perfectly when he said we haven't raised taxes here in 17 years, and so if we are limited to four percent each year or something like that, then you're gonna see those incremental so many more tax increases.

I fear, and as someone who doesn't want to see those tax increases, I think that that's bad policy.

Yeah, I would tend to agree with you.

And I would say um, you know, in in terms of the the infrastructure needs let me know on key projects, because there is I mean, you go look at state code, and there it's a labyrinth on how infrastructure funding happens, and you guys actually have a great a great lobbyist who's probably the best up there at it.

I've spent a lot of time with him trying to understand how to finance those projects.

I think I've got a pretty good feel for it.

And so you know, we're gonna have meetings over the next couple weeks about infrastructure, uh which cities which projects, and I think I I would welcome a list from you guys if there's ideas, and I can try to go push for it.

As we talk about this, it brings to mind the station area plans, which I know you had some passionate feelings about, and our most recent one has been the Kimball Lane project, and that one is gonna have some pretty severe infrastructure needs as we look at rerouting one of those roads.

It would be nice to have some funding for that for safety.

I'm so glad you brought that up.

So I, as part of this bill, this infrastructure bill I'm talking to you about.

It's it's mostly focused on green field development.

But I'm working closely with Andrew Gruber on can we put can we make some of that money available to support stationary planned infrastructure?

And so maybe there's a way we can do that.

In fact, I've got a couple emails from him with some ideas trying to work themselves into the bill.

But I'd love to work with you on that.

Well, I think it's really critical because we didn't have a lot of choice on the station area plans, and we were forced to entitle density that we would not have entitled given our druthers.

But the infrastructure surrounding these station area plans has got to be redone, and where is that money gonna come from?

It's a I think it's a fair point.

Well, Calvin, thanks for coming.

Uh, even though I'm beating up on you a little.

I've I want everyone to know, especially and Calvin knows this.

You're not weaken up on European soft.

We're lucky.

Um, Calvin, um, whether you how well you know him or not, he's he's kind of a rising, a rising voice in the legislature.

Calvin's smart, he understands local government, he understands our needs.

Um, you know, if it's the dark times, I'm expecting Calvin to be Gandalf leading us through the cave with the light on the step.

You know, he's gonna he's gonna make sure the light can get through the cave.

But no, we we are fortunate and well represented.

I can tell you that every time I needed Calvin last year in any capacity or any issue, he was there, he's a quick study, it doesn't take a lot to explain it to him.

And like I'm not like everyone, he gets it quick and then he's able to articulate it.

And they have a ton of trust and faith in him because he is smart and a hard worker and can grasp complex problems and and looks for solutions.

So I appreciate all you're doing because I think you are headed down the right track, despite my cynicism uh with it.

I do always get cynical this time of year.

We need more cynicism sometimes in our politics.

No, I appreciate it, um, Mr.

Mayor, and and it's an honor to serve you and the residents here of Draper.

And I would just say on these key city issues, I you've you know you can call me, you've got my phone number.

We we talk frequently, but you know, I care about representing your interests up at the state capitol.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you.

And we appreciate note that you are our only representative yet to come and talk to us.

So you get the gold star for sure.

So thank you.

All right, the next item on our agenda is item number four.

It's an opportunity for general public comment.

We have um looks like two public hearings.

If you're here for those public hearings, then you're gonna comment.

We ask that you wait until they're uh called so we can keep our record clear.

But if you have a general public comment, I would like to make some comment for the council to hear that this is the opportunity.

Is there anybody here that would like to make a general public comment?

All right, Reed, before you get up here, you know the drill, but anyone else come on up.

When Reed starts talking after Reed tells me his name and address, um, that's when the clock over there is gonna start, our three-minute clock.

Um, I will add that the legislature only gives you one minute.

Um, but we do three because you know we're all about extra time.

Um but once Reed says his name and address, the clock starts.

Everyone gets three minutes, you don't have to use them all.

I mean, you really don't, but you can.

Um at the end of three minutes, your term's up.

Just give the council comments um and they will listen to you and they might address it later after the comment to maybe answer some questions.

Go ahead, Mr.

Gibby, sir.

Thank you, honorable mayor and council members.

I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you.

Uh a number of you I know quite well.

Some of you are relatively new, and so I don't.

I meant to get here for your swearing in, but I meant me missed that.

Uh when we moved to Alaska in uh mid-70s, the uh interest rates were started to go up on homes, and and uh we bought a new home that had a nine percent uh uh mortgage rate, but the state had a program that if your income wasn't above a certain level, which mine qualified for, we got a seven percent.

And I don't know if something like that might help in uh Utah or not, but it helped us.

Uh while we're up there, came back in '84, interest rates were up close to 20%.

Um our home in Chico, California had a variable rate.

It was 15 percent with a low of 12 and a high of 18.

After two years we refinanced because we could get a lot lower.

Anyway, uh already used up too much time.

Anyway, I want to chat a little bit about this evil uh carbon dioxide.

And uh we uh that seems to be a boogeyman, but I want to mention to you how effective it is in changing the uh temperature of the atmosphere.

Uh sometimes uh we get the impression from certain uh sources that it is uh uh uh exponential, goes up like that.

Um people think it might be linear, but what it really is is uh logarithmic, which means it starts out steep and tapers off.

Uh I'm gonna send you an email, but this is a graph that kind of represents that with a hundred parts per million, it has very effective change on the temperature, but as it increases up here around uh 420, it doesn't change the atmosphere pressure that uh temperature that much, and so there's a lot of hysteria about it with a lot of ignorance, and I find it hard to believe that some of our public uh some of our experts, so-called in Washington, DC don't really know that, but it's it is ignored.

Uh I prefer to use the uh oh my goodness, time's almost up.

Um well, anyway, um, well, I guess I better sit down.

Uh anyway, I will send you an email to share more information about how undangerous CO2 is.

Thank you.

Anyone else like to make a general point?

Come on, give us your name and address.

I have copies for everybody, but I sent emails too uh last month.

If you have something to give, just give it to the city reporter if you can hand it down.

That'd be great.

I'll give you a two request infrastructure completement.

Just give us your name and address that starts the clock.

So go ahead.

Kimber Tunbridge, 11853 South 700 east.

Go ahead.

Um, so that address is between two businesses on the east side of 7th, right across from the track station.

And I've got in the infrastructure for the sidewalk curb and got her, it was never completed.

Both sides with the new businesses were completed, but mine was left out.

And at the time, there was a big utility pole in the way.

That's recently been moved.

I don't know when it was moved, but it's gone out of the way now.

So I'm asking that we get that infrastructure completed.

It's a matter of safety, it's a matter of flooding in my property.

Um, and uh let's see, I've got some pictures of the flooding.

Um here's one picture that shows after a rainstorm what it looks like in front of my uh driveway.

Um I don't know why it was left out, like it was never completed, it was completed on both sides of my driveway.

Um, and when my husband was alive over two years ago, he tried to get it resolved, but it never came to any resolution.

And I think pretty much um if you have any questions I can answer, but this goes into a lot more detail.

Um, but um basically um you know, just asking for that, and oh also wanted to mention it's funny that I got an email response today from Bryn Heather Johnson.

I don't know who that is, but does that sound like anybody here?

Oh, that's you great.

Yeah, just basically saying that it doesn't cover that portion of the street.

That the city isn't in charge of that portion of the highway.

So is that the is that actually what the deal is?

That it says I'm not sure if anyone else is out to you, but that portion of 700 east is managed by the state, so the city can't make any improvements.

Yeah, go ahead with your comment.

We can we don't do question and answers.

That's not how we do it.

So basically, I've got 37 seconds.

We'll take absence of a sidewalk along the stretch of road forces, pedestrians, particular children walking to and from school directly into the street.

Creates extremely dangerous situation as vehicles often travel at high speeds, putting lives at risk.

The installation of a sidewalk is not a matter of convenience.

It's a vital safety measure.

Also the lack of curb and gutter um serious storm runoff issues.

Um during rain of pants, water impeded into my driveway.

Thank you.

Uh-huh.

We've got your and we'll get somebody to get back with you and give you an answer.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, everyone.

So anyone else like to make a general public comment.

All right, seeing no further public comment, we'll close the public comment period.

Move to item number five.

Item number five A is approval of the January 6th City Council 20, January 6, 2026, City Council meeting minutes.

Item 5B is approval of resolution 25 2605 or resolution reappointing Corina Pace as a member of the Drape City Historic Preservation Commission.

Item 5C is approval of resolution 2606.

It's a resolution of Draper City Council disposing of property seized as evidence in accordance with the Utah Code 77-11A-402.

Is there a motion?

Mr.

Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve the consent calendar.

Our motion by Miss Lowry to approve the consent calendars 5A through C.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Second by Ms.

Johnson, right?

Okay.

All right, any further discussion on the consent items?

All right, hearing none.

Miss Lowry, how do you vote?

Yes.

Ms.

Johnson?

Yes.

Mr.

Lowry.

Yes.

And Catherine, Miss Dahl.

All right.

That's four to O passes unanimously.

Takes us to item number six.

Six A.

Ums for Council consideration.

Item six A is a public hearing.

It's regarding the providing of local consent for a single event permit for C R U E Group LLC DBA Utah Premier Events.

And we'll have Travis present to us tonight.

Go ahead, sir.

Okay.

So single event permit, what it allows.

It's for the storage, sell, and consumption of alcohol for a limited duration, up to 120 hours.

And this event is being held at the Ballard event space on the fourth floor of this building.

Um at 14658 South Banner Parkway.

Um event names called Galantines event, and it's gonna be on February twelfth, thirteenth, and fourteenth of this year from 5 to 11 p.m.

each day.

So for a total of 18 hours.

Qualifications, there's some limitations on how many um single event permits someone could get uh per year, but this is the first permit that this applicant is applying for within 2026, so they meet that qualification and action here is to provide or deny local consent, and of note our code says we can't put any limitations on the number of single event permits we can grant.

Any questions for Travis?

All right, is the applicant here?

Do you is the applicant here?

Do you want to address the council?

You can if you want, you don't have to.

All right, very well.

All right, this is a public hearing.

Is there anyone from the public that would like to address the council on item six A, providing local consent for single event permit for C R U E Group LLC?

All right, seeing no public comment, we'll close the public comment period and bring it back to the council.

So, Travis, the single event permit is good for all three dates.

Okay, Mr.

Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve item six A.

I have a motion by Tasha to approve item six A.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Second by Fred.

Is there any further discussion?

Seeing none, Tosha, how do you vote?

Yes, Fred?

Yes, Bryn?

Yes, Catherine?

Yes.

Items approved unanimously four to zero.

Item six B is also a public hearing providing local consent for a full service restaurant license for Star Group LLC.

DBA Desi Kitchen.

Go ahead, Travis.

All right, it's for a full service restaurant license.

Here's the location at 153 West 123rd South, suite seven, uh new Indian restaurant.

Um so a full service restaurant license allows restaurants to store, sell, and serve all kinds of alcoholic beverage uh beverages alongside a food purchase.

And here are the standards that the restaurant must meet.

It has to be 300 feet away measured by shortest pedestrian route from the nearest community location.

It has to be at least 200 feet away, measured by a straight line from the entrance to the community location.

Those are schools, churches, public playgrounds, public libraries, and I said public playgrounds and parks.

Okay, here's the 300 foot distance requirement.

So they meet that requirement.

And the straight line requirement.

And the action is to provide local consent or deny.

And our code says we cannot put any limitation on the number of full service alcohol licenses we could uh provide by the city.

All right, any questions for Travis?

All right, thank you, Travis.

Is the applicant here and want to address the council?

All right, seeing none, um, I'll bring it back to the council with the proviso that it was excellent food at that restaurant the other day, I have to say.

It was good.

Go ahead.

Mr.

Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we approve item six B.

Our motion by Ms.

Johnson to approve uh consent item six B, the providing local consent for full service restaurant to Star Group LLC DBA Desi Kitchen.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

That was Catherine.

Excellent.

All right, we have a second by Catherine.

Is there any further discussion?

All right, seeing on Brent, how do you vote?

Yes.

Catherine.

Yes.

Tasha.

Yes.

Fred.

Yes.

Items approved unanimously four to zero.

That takes us to item six C.

This is an action item.

It's ordinance sixteen ninety-seven.

It's an ordinance amending the official zoning map of Draper City for approximately 1.04 acres of property from RA1, Reg Residential Agricultural, to R3, single family residential.

It's located at approximately 283 East Tanger Lane, known as the Butler Zoning Map Amendment.

We'll have a staff report by Paul.

Go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Mayor and Council members.

So we have the Butler Zoning Map Amendment as discussed.

We are right off of Third East in Taninger, just north of Brown's Pond.

Going in for a closer area, we can see there we are that corner lot.

Land use, we are currently zoned residential medium density, which supports RE2, R3, R4, R5, or sorry, R4, and MPC.

Apologies.

Staff analysis.

Last time when our continuance was uh decided, uh, there was questions about the access.

Um and so planning staff uh did a feasibility study and determined that there were multiple potential configurations or up to three compliant lots would be able to be created, uh, each with sufficient square footage and access for all three coming off of Tanager Lane with third East being a major collector street.

Um applicants have indicated that if the zoning amendment is approved, they will then work with engineers to design a configuration that will meet city code and submit a subdivision application for city review.

And uh any questions.

The applicant and the her father, the property owner, are here for questions as well.

All right, council members.

I appreciate staff coming back with clarification on all of that.

That's very helpful.

Can we see?

Is it possible to see like the zoning map a little bit farther out?

Um we do not have that.

Is that something that Jake could pull up or zoning map?

Yeah, if you want to.

Yeah, you yeah, you have to do website.

I looked at my side.

I don't know.

Here I I can get it there, Jake.

That's great.

I I think it it's interesting there is quite a bit of the R3 around that area.

That's what I thought was harder to tell when it was closer.

Yeah.

It's just not action.

Mr.

Mayor, yes, sir.

I'd make a motion that we approve ordinance 1697.

Motion by Mr.

Lowry to approve um ordinance 1697.

I'll second Ms.

Dowl.

That was me.

Dallin, right.

Dalin.

Yeah, Dalin.

Dalin.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like Darlin, but without the R.

Yes.

My brain went into a minute of I know you're anyway.

Miss Dahlin seconded this motion.

Is there any further discussion?

So you know Fred, how do you vote?

Yes.

Catherine.

Yes.

Joshua.

Yes.

Bryn.

Yes.

Adam passes unanimously four to zero.

That takes us to item seven, unless there are council mandator items that anyone wants to bring up.

McKelly, you're first.

Okay, uh, Jake's gonna pull up a map.

So um we're gearing up for the farmer's market food truck, and the vendor that we've used for the last two years has uh requested to no longer do it at Smithfields Park because they um their vendors and the produce vendors didn't think that they did well enough, so they're not signing up again.

So if we want to use the same vendor, uh that they've done a good job for us the last two years, but they are requesting to move to Draper Park.

They think um they do other markets in like Oran Park, Provo Park, and they think that they need kind of the big city park to do well at the farmers market.

Um so this is kind of the way they were thinking.

I mean, it this is just a draft we can move their or move them around.

We've checked with uh parks.

T ball could be in effect on Tuesday nights, but they won't take over the ball field.

So we don't think that'll be a problem.

The only problem is just gonna be increased traffic to Draper Park.

So what night?

It'd be Tuesday night still.

Yeah, I wish we could do like a Monday night or a Thursday night or stay away from our meetings.

Right.

Um so we just want to see what you thought about that, if it's even an option worth researching, or do we want to look at a different vendor and keep it at Smithfields?

We opened the splash pad last year.

We thought that would be enough, but um, she said they still didn't do well enough to do it again there.

Wasn't the original concern parking?

Yeah.

And do we feel like parking is sufficient now with that addition of the rear law?

Would it help?

Um I I think it definitely helps.

But you know what with the playground any given day parking is is busy there.

So they may try to park along 13th East, and I don't know if that may be a problem for police, but um it definitely is a little more congested.

But that's what they're looking for is a busier park.

Is there a way to move it up over where we could utilize the parking that's over by the day barn?

Um so there the T ball does use those diamonds over there.

Okay, got it.

Our T ball program, if we keep it a Draper, which is what it's currently open for, that's where we've had it for the last you know few years, like just DRIFO that it was 24 different T ball teams that play there on a Tuesday night.

So it uses all four of the diamonds.

So it will be busy.

I didn't send them.

Um we we probably don't, I mean we don't need to decide tonight, but if if we need to start looking for another vendor, we probably need to I I would like to see us try it at Draper Park.

I can curious though what Chief Ferguson from a traffic standpoint.

Whatever you decide, we will accommodate as best we can.

I I think it it'll congest it.

I mean there's no doubt, but uh it's your decision.

We I went to the um at Smithfields a couple of times this last year, and every time I went, the parking lot was packed, so I couldn't park at Smithfields.

I would park over close on the other side, and and would often look around for parking for quite some time.

So I I do think that that is an issue, but I also participate in T ball on Tuesday night at Draper Park, and um uh and um and I'm not sure I think that that could be hard to get all those people in cars.

I and I don't know if it's legal, and maybe Chief Ferguson can tell us, but when there's stuff at Draper Park, we often park on 13th east, and I would assume you would see a lot of that happening if we did have or at least some of that happening if we did have a uh uh both T ball and yeah from the concern is that we already have such significant traffic on 13th at this commuting time.

Yeah, it's five to five to nine, and they if they did it there, they would have to wait till Draper Days is over.

So it wouldn't start till end of July.

It would shorten it a little bit, which they're okay with because they think the produce comes on later anyway.

Well, when does T-ball run?

Uh it starts first part of June.

And it's usually over August somewhere.

So we maybe only overlap for a few weeks, right?

I think it's eight.

They're going eight weeks, so it might not be a problem.

We don't run the week of Draper Days, obviously, so I think there's one to two weeks after Draper Days is all the same.

Kelly, are all these little white squares the potential for the um vendors?

Those are their yeah, they're potential tents, and then the green circles are the food trucks.

Yeah, that seems to me like there'd be potential for having more vendors there, but then also where are all those vendors parking?

Yeah, right.

We would have to, I'm sure they would have to yeah, make them park over at the I don't know, library senior center or something, but then the library is still open, so parking is um something to consider, and Scott, maybe you can help me with this.

Is there a bike lane on 13th now?

Okay, because new state law we can't impede that.

So both the directions.

Um then um the roundabout is always a problem for us as far as congestion goes, so something to consider too I think this is a great location, right?

Like if it had all the parking in the world and no traffic concerns, of course we'd want it to be here.

This is our main biggest most beautiful park, but we are tied by those constraints.

I have a Tasha, do you think it's possible?

You know, we have our open field that we talked about trying to convert for parking for Draper Days and stuff.

Is there a way we could push that where we could create parking in that field right now if we could get some road base?

We've we've looked into it every year for Draper Days, and we always want to try to use it.

It's more expensive than you would expect to get the road base down.

I think it was wasn't it about 80,000 or 20 years.

Yeah, I'm just gonna do it.

It was a lot to try to do the temporary parking.

Could add parking somewhere.

I think people are gonna get really upset if we add congestion to 13th during rush hour traffic.

Okay, it's already it's a mess.

And it does that park is so well used.

I have a slide for tomorrow to show you just exactly how well used.

It might it might just overwhelm everyone to where they really hate it.

It might be worse.

Maybe there's another vendor that'll do it at Smithsfield.

We can find somebody else.

I mean, we spent all that money on that awning up for the equestrian center.

I know, yeah.

That was a different vendor.

So we've gone through two different vendors.

Um the second vendor said they wouldn't do it up there because they want like grass and trees and more of a park setting.

What about the historic park?

That parking is an issue as well.

We tried to have them look at Galena, and they didn't they didn't think Galena was a good option.

Yeah.

So we can go back to the drawing board.

I we may lose them, but yeah, we can keep we can look around for somebody new if we do if we want to keep with Smithfields.

So let's think about it a little bit.

Okay, thank you.

It's a shade.

I know.

Kelly, could they do it a Saturday morning or something?

You know, we we can we could look into that.

I don't know what sports are like Saturday morning or if they're free, but that we could look at the switching around if we want to move it there to a different I think this is a great location, and on a Saturday morning you wouldn't have all that competing traffic.

Commuter traffic, what your Saturday mornings like.

It's mostly just practices, not not many games, just practices in the morning, but we could work around that too.

I think people might like the Saturday morning farmers market.

I think we did do Saturday until we combined with two.

Yeah, we did it a few times Saturday morning.

There's also a Monday night at the arena.

Um we asked them about Saturday mornings.

Okay, we'll go back to them, see if they're free then.

Yeah.

If not, if we do it at the park, I bet we could find a different vendor for sure.

So are you saying, Tasha, if we did it Saturday morning, the traffic wouldn't be as bad?

Right.

There's no traffic on Saturday mornings because we weren't trying to get to and from the water.

Might be more attractive for people to come too.

Right.

I'd be more likely to go on a Saturday morning.

Does it work for the food trucks Saturday morning or would we see it?

I'm sure it does.

I'm sure it does.

Yeah.

We could do like 10 to 1 or something so we can get the lunch.

Yeah, do that.

We just gotta see if this vendor's not committed already somewhere else on Saturday morning.

But maybe we could even find a different vendor to do Saturday mornings.

I I'm sure people would like to do Draper Park.

Okay, yeah, we'll look into that.

I think that's more attractive than Tuesday night.

Saturday morning.

People are so tired on Tuesday nights.

I'm so tired on Tuesday nights.

Especially with the council meeting.

Thanks, Kelly though, for working on that.

I think we want we we've got to find a location because we gotta keep it going.

Anyone else have an item they want to bring up?

Brent?

Good.

Tasha?

Catherine?

Anyone else?

Chief?

Good?

All right.

Well then I'll entertain the motion of the night to adjourn.

So moved.

All right.

Motion by Tasha.

Second.

Second by Catherine.

No, there's motion by Glenn and second.

Second motion by Brennan, second by Tasha.

All in favor adjourn say aye.

Aye.

There are any opposed.

All right, we stand adjourned.