Thanks, everybody.

Uh RSDP as well.

That way we kind of know who's here and if we have Cormann Colin like we so thank you very much.

Alright, so let's go ahead and get started.

This is the committee meeting on Tuesday, March 3rd.

That's 8 o'clock-ish.

And uh wasn't attendance today or myself, David Cloward, Mike Barker.

Janet Simon Hynch.

David Swicky.

Jennifer just from Steve.

Taylor Porter.

Brett Fox.

Jocelyn Kessler.

Chris McGraw.

Michelle Cocker.

Bring Jonathan.

Dylan Wilder.

Great.

Thanks everybody.

So we also first item agenda of course is to approval of the previous mini minutes from February last month.

So everybody have a chance to review that.

Any questions or concerns?

Like a motion to pass.

Right.

I second.

Thank you.

Alright.

So uh on city updates today, the first thing on the agenda we have.

Take your take your vote.

To approve the name.

Oh, thank you.

Sorry.

So do we have uh all those in favor of provenance?

Hey.

Hi.

Thank you.

So the uh first item agenda is our committee roles.

Do we do that first or we want Dylan to go first?

Which ever you want to do?

I look at the agenda and some of the topics and state.

Oh, okay, great.

Okay.

Alright.

Go ahead, Red.

Just uh starting the new year.

We just wanted to make sure that as a tree committee, we're following what's been implemented in our code by our mayor city council, so we'll just take a few minutes.

Go over those things if you have any questions we can talk about them.

But basically, this is just the roles that we operate under as a tree committee.

That's just the whole big code.

You know if you ever want to look through it in uh three, five.

I'm just gonna go through a few things.

I'm gonna try and go fairly quick, but I mean if you have questions, let's make sure we're we're all on the same page.

Just so you know that um the rules are passed by resolution, and uh it's always important to remember that this is an advisory committee.

We talk about that a lot, but tree committee really has uh no authority to really speak for the city, but just to advise they're just good ideas, and what we may recommend.

Here's what we would do, but we're always just an advisory committee.

You may say they want to do this, the city council may say, well, thank you for your input.

We greatly appreciate it, your expertise, but we're gonna do a different round.

However, they may choose.

We're always just an advisory.

Just keep that in mind.

Alright, a few things.

Um we do have several members of the committee.

All the committees are members are appointed by the mayor, right?

Anybody in here not get that appointment.

Um four-year term, and we can have up to 11 members.

We need to really try and attend that we were making sure we had a quorum today before we started.

We've got one now, which is great.

So we always need to make sure we try and attend.

I think we could do a little bit better.

We've got several committee members that don't participate as much.

They could try and come a little better.

We haven't been agree that with the three excused absences, but per code, they possibly could be removed.

So just a few things to keep in mind again.

This is all in our our city code.

Um we do have a chair person.

Mr.

Cloard has been a great chair for several years now.

The chair is a two-year term.

Also, Michelle is the vice chair, which is also a two-year term.

Um for whatever reason it's not working out, or if the mayor decides to remove a committee member, the mayor has that right and authority.

And those of you have been around a while, remember that that actually happened in this committee.

So just again keep them in mind.

There's no compensation for anything we do, we're all acting as volunteers for the city, but we we do we don't have much of an issue with this anymore, but I put it in here because I did check with our city attorney just to make sure that we're doing it right, and we if we do have someone on the line, we have to have five people here as an anchor location toficially form a quorum.

The people that are on the line can't be the fourth unless they'll make sure that we're we're following that direction.

Last few things some of the committees in the city received funding, some do not, some won't go overseas again, some don't have any funding, they just have operate as a advisory committee.

This committee several years ago was actually given some money to do some good for the city at the time of the recommendation of this committee, so we do have a few funds, but just remember those are all city funds and they need to be spent right.

Um city manager or happy to have him here today that we designated staff to be here, which many years ago I did that not quite well.

There you go.

Again, we usually at this meeting, it's kind of got a little bit more, but there's several staff right now.

We've got parks and rep, we've got community development, and we've got engineering.

So we do need to always have five committee members, and three bold minimum to pass, which would be the majority if there's five here.

So I think we own all this.

I brought this up just a minute ago, but again, that's just making sure we're in accordance with the open public meetings act.

Last name is why was the tree committee created?

Basically to be an advisory committee, uh they can help it matters regular trees, tree cultures, establishment of trees, plants, plant life, which is located on city property.

We need to remember that is city property.

Residents, we can give them recommendations on planting, on printing, on everything, but what they do on their property is their rights and they're to deal with the this committee operates and advises on city property.

And would we say that, Red?

I don't want to dive off to the weeds on this, but I think because we can do a separate discussion, and I actually did go through the roles and kind of looked at how we're doing on the roles and stuff, but it would be way too long in the discussion capture meeting that it's not the agenda, so that's not my intent.

Up front, and I just want to say that so that everyone else doesn't dive in and try to have this meeting be about you know how we're doing all these rules because we take home.

Um but to gender here too.

If we talk about city property, does that include park strips then for commercial developments, you know, around the city?

Is that especially through the major therapy experience because that's uh the public rightway?

Is that still part of that?

Because we are right, we of course the tree should tree guide and our recommendations have been applicable to that.

Yeah, so the tree tree guide is citywide for park trips.

So if you're planning a tree to park strip, it should be from street tree guide.

Um technically is city property, yeah.

Which is technically just to confirm that was the case.

Yeah.

In in park strips that are too narrow, that we deemed to be too narrow to plant trees, and so now the requirement is to plant the tree in the the yard or the property, you know, 15 feet of that parkship exactly following that category.

Um because it's now on their private property.

We also don't require those trees to be from the tree guide anymore because it is on your property, but but you do still require them to smash the tree.

Yeah, we still require them to plant the trees and a tree within 15 feet counts towards your street tree requirement.

Okay.

Good question.

Thanks.

Um this kind of just goes over why we have a tree committee, why you as we as residents would want to be members of the tree committee.

You've all got your different areas of expertise and landscaping of trees or businesses, or maybe stuff with great interest, but and really just want to help the city.

Um again, just recommend and have goals regarding trees.

Trees on city proper.

Um recommendations for Arbor Day.

A lot of different things from a dozen people is all there planting one or two trees to doing 30 trees in some years.

It's all kind of fun.

Um but we always try and let this committee kind of say where we want those trees or what type of activity we want to do, and we've kind of got a little more elaborate over the years, which I think is great, involving the public work.

That's one great thing for this committee to be involved in is Arbor Day.

It also was stuff like cleanup days or beautification, things like that.

Those are all part of the purview of this committee per the code.

Tree activities, whatever those maybe.

Uh tree guides, we've worked on that a lot.

Uh again, I'm just gonna try and go very quick.

Um talks a lot about recommending and different specs and standards.

We talk about those a lot, different tree care treatments, trees and shrubs, audity property, storic trees.

We don't get into that realm a whole lot, but it needed it would fall into this committee's purview and different standards for trees and developments, site plan subdivisions, all that stuff that we talked about a lot of trying to bring out plans so that if actually changed plans from what we've got from the contracted uh landscape architect from what this committee wanted to see, you know, we may change stuff like that, getting this more on standards and specs.

So in a nutshell, that's a quick overview of the committee.

It's important that we stay within our community, what roles and lanes that have been provided in our code and adopted by the mayor and city council for us as a committee to operate in.

Just wanted to tell everybody thank you for your roles and your efforts and what we do for the tree committee.

If there's any questions, happy to talk about it or anything that's in the code relating to the committee that you want to discuss, happy to take an opportunity now.

I am again I said a legal ego way once of this.

One question did though is looking at what I had looked up in your very first slide.

Did it have this where it's so the plan recommend goals and policy to the city regarding the cult tree culture driven city?

The plan may include the inventory of existing trees, and then plans for various public areas such as entrances to the city, city parks, and transportation corridors or others.

Yes, that's right.

Did that have that in the head there?

Okay.

And then can I?

Yeah.

So at our last city council meeting, we talked about looking at the different the roles and duties of uh committee throughout the city to kind of make them cohesive and flow, make sure we're optimizing the committee.

And so we wanted to um reach out to you guys and see if there's um anything that you feel kind of like what Rhett said.

If you have any questions about the code, if there's anything you think that maybe you should be helping out on.

One thing we talked about was um that you guys are doing a lot that isn't in the code that maybe we want to put in the code, like the education, you know, the um are there our partner with local caves, the tree talk, those kinds of things.

So we just wanted to reach out to you and communicate your thoughts about that.

If there's any changes that you know I would I would suggest uh public education is just what we've been doing.

Um everything that falls under yeah, public education and promoting information to the community as a whole.

Just follow up is solely my opinion, but I think that could be the most valuable worthwhile thing for committee members of this committee.

You know, give advisory book we've got staff that can go out and do maintenance all the things, but really that community education that you guys live amongst residents and their neighbors and really say, hey, we've got some experience, things like the local skate classes that were done and the tree talks, get stuff out in the newsletter.

To me, that is kind of the crux line stuff.

What a a real good tree committee would do is just educate, educate, you know, try and say why why it's good to plant this way, when we should print when what can we do to make our our yards and our city look more beautiful.

So I guess that's a long way to say that I agree, education is perfect.

And and that could encompass you know the water wives and you know, big a big topic right now.

Um with that being said, you know, with the committee roles, I know it's it's very um it points at public property.

And it I question like if we are strictly an advisory board and doing public outreach and education, would it make sense to make it be you know commercial property, private property, commercial property is like the biggest one I think of that feeling we'd be missing the beat if we're not directing public education to everyone?

Because we're only an invited board, we're not making any rules about you know anything for so when no enforcement, so it's it is kind of silly that we say it's only for the public about the recommendations and and then yeah, we're supposed to then go educate the public, we'll see contradictory.

And then on the other side, you know, as far as what the roles are or what we're actually doing.

I think I picked up on something in there, like we're supposed to something about specifications for the city and the way you guys actually do things and the plantings and all this my referencing that right.

Is that sound right?

Yeah, I have a section in there about specifications and standards to m for me, like I don't think we're supposed to recommend like us personally at our meeting saying, you know, you guys plant this like plant that way.

To me, that would come from the specs that you guys adopted, and more like a policy thing that we don't even have to touch.

It's just done.

So to me that doesn't seem like a reality thing that we would maybe someone updated code that we need to add, yeah, yeah, and also remove.

Yes, yeah, code specifications and policy like in writing, but that's that's it and um yeah.

I think that's very helpful, and then we'll take it back, you know, to the next meeting and kind of share those thoughts.

I think it'd be good for just Michelle and I listen to the recording with city council recently when we discussion we're talking about, and we'd love to put together with you too exactly just kind of go through these uh roles and say what are we actually fulfilling today?

Sounding that we are actually doing very well.

Yeah, I'm happy to do that.

Okay.

Which I think would be helpful too, because I think you know, like the I we're looking at all the committees, it's not just right.

We just you know, there might be some combining or remove, you know, just depending on how we how we things are are working well.

I just put that reflect that in the code.

Yeah.

I think that would be the biggest thing you would touch on.

I hope you would say we take that out, because I think we do want the city to uh uh look for the advice, right?

Our advisory role, and then maybe decide what they're gonna do it.

Um like in the the tree removal spec, for example, that we're gonna talk about today.

Like the city has decided they're whether they do something happen to just kind of find out about it, and we'd rather it be that they come to us and say, Hey, what do you guys think?

And really, we should be looking at how what other cities are doing.

This body could be a function going out and looking at you know what our best practices in the industry so that we can provide the best advice to the city.

And that doesn't happen if we don't get gig holding until the last second, so you can we heard about it, and then we're saying, Whoa, we waited it.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

If we could go with all the committee members at Jen on the agenda last month of time, so just to make sure that doesn't happen again, maybe we could move her up next.

Sure.

Great.

Mouse take me a second to get the PowerPoint open.

I apologize if I cough during my presentation.

Um you guys wanted me to go over the new water element within the general plan.

Um that was adopted by the city council the end of last year.

Let's see, the second second.

Um, so in 20, yeah, 202, uh the state passed um SB 110, which required a new element within our general plan.

So basically another chapter within our general plan that looked at water uh use and preservation.

Um probably have that right here.

Yeah, um, so looking at how the city can conserve water, how um in order to reduce our amount of water usage, basically, as a city.

Um I'm just gonna kind of skip this.

We we did go to both planning commission and city council with work sessions before uh finalizing the uh element itself.

We did have a consultant work with us on the element, so the element does look at our water use demands and then conservation uh strategies.

Sorry.

Um I'm just gonna kind of go through these slides fairly quickly.

I don't know how much you guys um I I'd rather spend more time on the strategies the council adopted than where we're we're at now.

Um so but residential is the highest water user within the city right now.

Um we do have two water providers.

I'm sure you guys are aware.

Um we do have uh water wise landscaping standards as well as as we are uh metering repayment.

Um so that so with this element, this city council adopted basically goals and strategies, these are things the city can do in order to reduce water usage overall.

Um there with because the general plan is a kind of an overall arching guiding document.

The adoption of the of this element doesn't mean we're automatically doing these strategies, it is now up to the city council to decide what strategies they want to do when they want to implement them.

But this is this is a guide we can use in order to reduce our our water uh usage.

Um so the first uh goal would be um strengthen the city's efforts, um potentially creating a water uh conservation team um to support uh addressing existing and future water use goals um or having an intern that can help with with the strategies that the council could adopt.

Um looking at policies and ordinances, um, including irrigation restrictions, um, time of day watering ordinance that would limit when people could actually water, um develop a water shortage plan that um looks at if we're in a drought, which you know it's coming here, we will be, but uh look at what what specifically the city can do and how kind of it kind of operate more as like an emergency plan.

having an intern that can help with with the strategies that the council could could adopt um looking at policies and ordinances um including irrigation restrictions um time of day watering ordinance that would limit when people could actually water um develop a water shortage plan that um looks at if we're in a drought which you know this coming year we will be but uh look at what what specifically the city can do and how kind of it kind of operate more as like an emergency plan if we're in a drought this is what we're gonna do to help conserve that that water um reduce water demand um by increasing development density um part of that is our station area plans next to transit stations um and then looking at updating our zoning subdivision code which we are currently working on um but looking at potential infill and different housing types that may use less water than others um public awareness education programs um you guys do a lot with local scapes and trying to uh get people to partake in local scapes and um that kind of thing so putting more emphasis on that type of stuff the fixal league picture spread you know the the all the all the different things that already exist getting that to our residents to our business owners that kind of thing um but also providing additional resources to people um potentially having some kind of uh award program or uh you know contests something like that then looking at um water wise uh landscaping reducing water that kind of thing um border valley already kind of does some some things like that um so there's opportunities there working again this is more awareness uh put making sure the city is pushing things out on our website our social media that kind of thing for four people um 5.2 here's uh commercial rebate program so working with commercial properties to help them uh re-landscape to water wise landscaping reduce that grass that kind of thing um again going back to uh you know our social media um provide making sure those resources are available for people so they can know what's what's out there um promoting the ion weather app so people know whether they can water or not um and and I know on this one uh like water pro they monitor water usage so if there's a change they will actually contact the user and say hey it seems like there's a leak or something something you know something like that um so they do have that ability I'm not sure whether our water uh system does or not but but things like that also help if we can uh let people know so that they can fix issues that may be on their property um next one lead by example having the city uh you know uh change our park strips reduce our turf uh modify our irrigation systems to be more efficient that kind of thing to show people uh what can be done and I know the parks building does have their conservation uh garden there out front um and those so those are the strategies that the council adopted um so looking forward um it it kind of would be up to the city council to decide what strategies they want to start with um obviously things like uh just promotion on social media in the city's website or me kind of the quicker easier things uh more long term replacing or redoing landscaping on city property um creating programs things like that thank you you guys have any questions on any of it or the um water conservation team would that look like uh another department in the city or like a volunteer based committee I don't know that should be to that yeah that wouldn't that would need to be fleshed out it could it could end up being something like a volunteer it could be a specific specific employee that's hired to do conservation efforts um that's something that we would just need to do more research on and the landscape inspector that you guys have now the the role that they play would that kind of fall in line with that intern position um potentially and and that role could definitely help with the conservation um right now that position is part time they're reviewing plans they are creating guides they're doing special

Um that's something that we would just need to do more research on.

And the landscape inspector that you guys have now the the role that they play, would that kind of fall in line with that intern position?

Um potentially, and and that role could definitely help with the conservation.

Um right now that position is part-time, they're reviewing plans, they are creating guides, they do inspections, um so there's an area of things that they do, so that could be part of that conservation.

Um and then one suggestion as far as um website and public outreach is um putting the water efficiency standards on the landscaping page, like actually, because I don't know that it's really posted anywhere for anybody to reference um because the standards apply to all public private properties and everything, but I don't think people are aware of it, and maybe that's where we come into play is that public outreach and education.

Yeah, so I don't know who they know the publicity of that.

Yeah, yeah.

And I mean one of the reasons why I want to you guys see the presentation is because I do think there's a lot of it that impacts you.

I think you guys can very beneficial in helping us implement these strategies, giving us ideas, how best to do it.

You guys are out, you know, in the community, see things that we don't see, right?

Well, and maybe it's time that it's not just a tree committee.

Like a tree and water wise landscape just uh as tree and landscape.

I mean because trees are such a small amount of what everything we're talking about, and our our roles clearly see landscaping three or four times to provide this.

Yeah, and that's not like it's it's really the tree tree doesn't even begin to encompass because if that's all we were doing, then we shouldn't be doing anything else that we're doing, which is a whole lot.

Right.

And so exactly to your point.

So let's incorporate it into the code.

So um, you know, we utilize it because it's well that way it could be that some of the some of the education around all of that instead of just oh yeah, we went over here and did this, because it would actually say this is what this is, and so how much how much more creative can we get, or how you know somebody coming new onto the committee?

What would they have an idea of rather than just this small little box?

Yeah, even though we've expanded the box.

It's pretty hard to separate the landscaping and tree and water-wise and watering the trees stuff.

And we've seen in situations like designs they development, they were like, oh, wait a minute, you can only, you know, regulation related to that time part of it, the rest of it is not multiple skates or our guidelines, but you guys aren't responsible to talk about that.

Yeah, it might just be time to expand what this committee really is, right?

On paper.

Yeah, that's a regular website.

Right.

Okay, thank you on that topic.

Okay, all right, thank you.

Appreciate it.

All right, go.

Yeah, um, last month I mentioned Pioneer Street and the widening efforts that we're doing there.

Uh we got the survey back or a couple weeks ago, so we've been working at doing the concept, so we don't have an exact alignment yet.

We're getting closer.

It looks like we'll have some park strips and areas that could be up to 10 feet.

Um, so there are there will be some spots that we can do trees, but it's not don't expect it to be like along the whole thing because in some areas we need to tighten it up uh to fit just the current situation we have to be and such, but um my plan and just want to make sure that it sounds like a good plan is to go with the tree guide for where we have the uh park strips that fit those categories of the different trees um and also to take um advice from the lone peak suggestions you guys make for the trees uh with the alternating and such.

So is this above 13?

So it's seventh to 13th.

Okay.

So I know you just see I'm pioneered so um that's the plan.

I don't have something more formal to show you, but if you have any questions, uh that sounds good.

I mean, I believe we just you know uh we don't want to monoculture stuff that looks like it does match it.

We do different developments, you know.

Yeah, that's something we've never had on like real 8230 because that's a difficult, but it would just a new thing comes in and it looks completely different to anything else that's been done, so get that.

Yeah, sounds good.

And then no longer extracts right.

No, we are planning to use uh the rock homes that we have out here in front of City Hall in a lot of the areas.

Okay, so I think that's um if I could just make a comment on plant coverage, um I know that's come up, you know, it's I know the water efficiency standards don't dictate like how much rock you can you could use all rock, but that coverage is what makes the difference putting up plants in there to break it up and green if I'm important.

Yeah, we'll look at that.

Okay, yeah.

Okay, great.

Thanks, Darren.

Yeah.

Um next we had uh red, can we update on video tree planting spec with the tree street guide, kind of put forward resolution to to do that?

And Jen, that's kind of related to you, of course.

So we've got the specs on the tree guide web page in meeting with our city attorney, she didn't want it to be part of the actual adopted by a resolution for the for the tree guide itself, but did want it just we're available to be out there for information on the tree guide web page, so it is housed there, so if you go to show your tree.

And would that be something that um could be posted on planning and development or community development as well?

So I did you say that you don't want to put it as part of the true tree guide, but only is that am I understanding it?

Is it just a separate document?

It's just not to be combined.

Yeah, she didn't want it as uh like people could be criminally liable if they don't plant their trees in their park strip correctly.

They do have to follow the tree species that are listed on the tree guide.

But say they did say they planted it in a different manner that's not to our specs.

We're not gonna know or not gonna have enforcement for that, so it wasn't to be a mandatory way to plan it.

So we we would put in putting on the street tree guide's recommendation to make it so that we wouldn't have to wait three years for it to be put into code.

The objective, we've got to remember why we're doing this in the first place.

The whole objective was that the city has adopted this spec so that we don't waste money planting trees in road base.

Yeah, and the same thing will apply to other developments like ivory homes or something like that, and yet there's nothing today that'll tell them that they should plant those trees, not a drill base.

Um, and that's the goal.

It was not it's not intended for trying to again put into residential neighborhoods and talking to you know individual people planting the trees.

So we don't want it to be out there is just like the spec that people can reference for their own home use, it's really for yeah, so street trees.

The attorney is saying we don't want to put it as part of the tree guide, that's what we're gonna do.

Okay, I'm not gonna go against what the city attorney's suggesting.

Um but what we can so we've adopted the planting standards for public improvements.

So when you know, we're doing pioneer, we're gonna be following these standards, we're gonna be giving them to our contractors, our landscaper, um, to make sure that that does get followed.

Um we need to use the example of pioneer that's a uh a public works project.

Yes, that's already in place.

Yes, yeah, so yeah.

So we've already got that in place.

So right, so what Rett's saying is we can take these stairs, we can add them to the website as uh recommended uh planting standards along with the tree guide.

So it'll be on the same page on the website with the tree guide for the public residential commercial, so that they know the best practices for installing trees.

It is right.

We understand, and that's yeah, great.

That's a good step, but I promise you no landscaper that's gonna be working for IRE development is gonna go try to implement that and go search for it, they're not even know it's there.

Yeah, so um, I mean, so I mean, my attorney you were the attorney.

So what what would maybe be the problem with um we have all we have all kinds of things that we of course ask those uh developers to do?

If you want a developer to do something, you need to put it in code, right?

Which is what we've been asking for for the past four years.

Yeah, so we talked about with the code rewrite, um, adding those specs into the code.

That's the place we've got if if I remember correctly, the code actually references that any additional documents such as the tree guide.

It's not this whole tree guide isn't specifically written in code, but code references to outside documents.

That's all we want to code referencing use this, yeah.

And we were saying so that you kind of understand we we we just need you'd know that uh maybe you don't have so many projects like 138 software's an example where we plant right, we spend a lot of money.

We find out that those trees are dying, we dig it up, but we realize that's what I have to do.

So, how do we do this?

And so um engineering gene, you know, Scott said, hey, let's go out and look for something and we found that spec, so let's put this in place.

Great.

First time we used it was here in uh Draper City Hall right up front, we made sure the trees are planted.

I mean the holes are dug properly and planted properly, so we don't waste our money on those trees.

And we so for years we've been trying to get it put in place for human development for use with um developers, and the issue in the original was well, we don't have resources to inspect it, so we can't put it in.

Well, we can still put it in because it's a so it's still a requirement, even if you don't have the resource to inspect it, hopefully hopefully we'll get the resource inspected.

We finally got over that hurdle, so we could say, why can't we just go ahead and put it in the code then?

And then this the answer was yeah, but we won't be able to get to it for three years.

So we said, okay, well, how can we make it easier to do that?

Let's just only have a reference to the guide.

Uh I mean reference to this as spec in the code.

That's like a few lines of code.

It won't take three years to make that change.

The answer is okay.

Well, it's already in there.

So I think code already references just like how the tree guide is set up.

It's just referencing an outside document to be like included in the code, and that's how I see the tree.

No, I know I'm saying the reference.

Oh, yeah, you're saying the code's already it's already there referencing the tree guide.

Yeah, right.

So that's why the last meaning was let's put it as part of the tree guide because the code's already there, actually.

But it references more than the tree guide.

I think it's any document that follows it's it's not specific to the tree guide.

And Jen, you might be familiar with this.

Like you can make changes and amendments and additions outside of the specific code, but the code has a line in there that says, you know, yes.

Yeah, so the the code says the uh street trees have to be from the adopted tree guide, and then we've adopted the tree guide by resolution.

Okay, yeah.

And you appoint me one, I'll just add the one two specs.

No, it's not if it's set up.

I think the code, you know, says more than just tree guide.

I think it's any I have I'll have to find it and send it, but any additional documentation such as tree guide, that's like one example would need to be followed just as much.

Well, we're not in, I guess we don't that's why I asked you because we don't understand any reference to it.

They go into issues that we're having.

I haven't talked to Tracy about that, so I'm not gonna double cross my super attorney.

I know we've all heard that just because we think it makes sense, it doesn't make sense when attorney's looking at it.

And also on another note, in terms of getting community development or developers to actually follow tree planting specs.

Um the real problem is road base.

Um I'd imagine that we have some uh code for street contractors, like when they're actually installing streets and roads that they have to follow some guidelines or inspections like cleanup.

Like could we add something into the street contracting side of things where part of their cleanup involves removing road base from planter areas, and maybe that's another direction to address that seems to be like the main problem with the reason for all of this.

So what if the resulting action um that's the question?

I think I can go back and meet with city attorney and relay the conversation that's happened here and see if there's any change or direction.

Okay, cool.

She is approvaled, but then they're certainly happy to draft the resolution on taking the city council.

Or if it remains the same, then we'll just leave it as a standard book.

I gave you an update on that.

Next meeting.

And obviously I'm not she's not the one that's gonna make any recommendation, but we're the goal is to say how is it we can achieve the objective.

This may not be the best way.

We all look at different ways to do it, so we're gonna create any legal liabilities or problems or anything, but we all just abandon the objective because this particular path didn't work.

So um works.

All right.

Thanks, guys.

Thank you.

All right.

We're gonna get six minutes left.

Uh let's see here.

I think that we can say that um really quickly on uh Michelle can get this update on on treetox and local skates for it, but we can just make that like just one minute.

And on the planting projects, you say that because we're not being into that today.

We I didn't move forward with the uh our uh what's the word field trip because the trees aren't actually blooming yet for us to see what's dead and what's not how things go and so we we'll wait a little bit on that, but we'll have to really move fast then once we get that going for we need to like get plans in place, of course, uh for planting and scripture.

And David had emailed some suggestions on um areas to plant trees that we can take a look at that maybe next time.

So that would be appreciated coming.

Um so let's let's then take the last five minutes and talk about the community was asked to put a proposal and you s asked that for the trees causing the sidewalk looking at what we would do in terms of tree removals.

So David did some research for us on what other cities David and Michelle kind of put together a draft so she can talk quickly about maybe some of the scenes there and if we follow what outside we need.

Um yeah, I I looked at the information that David sent and it was um referencing what Salt Lake City and like Sandy City um have in their tree policies.

Um is uh tree protection and preservation policy.

Um and I I did a quick printout of some examples where I just copy and pasted to move you know parts of it out.

Um for example, tree preservation and protection.

If replacing the sidewalk, no roots larger than four inches in diameter shall be cut.

Um other alternatives such as ramping or radius or arch around the existing trees will be used and so forth.

Um tree contractors need to be certified arterous, which we have on staff now, which makes it easier.

Um so and then tree removal guidelines.

Um let's see uh health and vitality of urban forests uh are at risk.

We generally will not remove trees solely because the roots are lifting the curve of sidewalk, the tree has roots interacting with sewer or sewer lines, the tree is messy, you know, there's certain things that we're not gonna take trees out just because it's messy or something like that.

Um it's part of the tree removal guidelines and then risk assessment.

So this actually on that first part uh all came from what Salt Lake City is currently doing because there's similar policy.

Because I'm sure Sandy Barrow Salt Lake Salt Lake's just had so many policies for so long.

It's just really the go to it's like the umbrella.

Well and they're very concerned about their canopy because they're seeing some of this that their canopy is actually diminishing, you know, and other areas are taking over but they don't want to lose a canopy in Salt Lake.

And now it's been it's been a big deal for a long time since the last urban forest were left.

Okay.

So yeah.

So tree risk assessment um I know that the public works mentioned this uh tree removal guideline some calculation between like the inch in diameter of the tree versus the number of feet in the park strip.

And what I found is um that actually refers to the what's called the tree protection zone.

Um the tree protection zone will be one foot radius from the base of the tree's trunk for each one inch of the tree's diameter measured at um diameter at west height so um Sandy City has some written recommendations and uh I just those up so I can send this stuff to you right it's just a lot of writing to like go over it now in the meeting but thank you guys for doing that.

Well I think the biggest thing is that um and it's more of a cultural thing I think because you can just take down trees no problem if they don't understand what they're doing exactly and of course Salt Lake City's been passionate about that for a long time.

Many many decades.

And I think newer newer cities even though we're not newer cities that we're younger cities so to speak, you know, and just understanding every nice yeah and so in Sandy you know is really it kind of almost led it although I gotta tell you the you know like I said Harriman, South Jordan, West Jordan they're really and even West Valley now it's really adopting some amazing and not just trees but just as you were mentioning coverage.

You know you don't get to just put a whole lot of gravel it's it's becoming a big deal.

They want their cities green and they're and I don't think everybody quite understands what that means.

And can't really and then we just keep taking trees out and not replacing them.

Kind of like what we did with the willow you know they've already you know placed then you know they've already planted another willow for all the going back and forth with the willow in the Draper park but at least we have another one.

So when that one does die it's already growing right discussion for another day we sat on that one then well that was the answer right for you couldn't get anybody to change so yeah um yeah I guess I could add that the risk assessment um it basically has to do with um a tree may only re be removed once a risk assessment report uh has been made and it's done by an ISA certified arborist and there's a notification and a response time um whether it's a public or private property.

So I don't we don't have no idea where the the status of that is in terms of like putting forward an adoption of a policy or whatever.

Is there do you do want to set like just document something put something forward could and take to whoever it is or who that is me and then I can cut it out to that you know propose the question.

I have a qu when you know when they widened 13 and they took down a whole lot of elms and not that we all love our elms but they are very stately in many cases.

Um was there any I don't remember there wasn't anything that was suggested that they replace X amount of trees for taking those down.

That's a big deal in Salt Lake is you know that you take down a 10 inch tree then you're planting X amount of trees to make up for that county.

And I don't know if we're even look at that here.

I don't think there's been anything that we've ever looked at that.

Probably not I don't know uh Taylor was anything like that.

I think that was even before your time here was you know when they were really doing 13.

Not not the end of it but the different example was when we did the parking lot of draper this committee recommended that we replace plant at least two trees for removing those large uh or those the bulk seller maples that were removed as part of that.

So we did, at least for that example, we put multiple trees for every tree removed as in an attempt to replace the canopy.

Yeah.

But that's I think that's the only time it's the only time I can think of.

So maybe that's something we need to think about going forward too, whether developers doing it.

Um, because that's even true in holiday.

You know, you take down oak or you do something like that.

Oh yeah, you get to put in extra trees.

Yeah.

So just because you're taking away and it's not trying to be mean to anyone, it's just that this is what you're doing, you're disrupting.

And that kind of um leans to you know, public property versus private property, be it residential or commercial.

I think public property is covered with the street tree guidance and the policies, you have to have a tree planted every what forty feet or something like that.

But outside of the public property, when you're talking about you know, private commercial or residential properties, if they're taking big trees down, um again, strictly on an advisory, you know, public outreach education purpose.

I think it would make sense to be able to have that outreach extend beyond public property.

Um to address that very thing as well.

Well, and they do have you know, those are actually I think written into um coder, but whatever it is, you know, and that's already just like you know, the PUDs have certain requirements that you have to follow.

Um but again, even when the city does large projects and we take out big trees, whether we consider them jump trees or not, what are we doing to the tree canopy itself?

Yeah, basically.

But I do know that what I said is I thought I remembered that someone said that would have listened to the the meeting from this work session when that was discussed they went and reviewed whatever cities were doing not sure how they predict if we would need all the cities in around here and none of them's policy of re use take out the tree if it's you know the tree is you know inch to one foot of the departure.

I think that's a tree protection zone is what that referred to.

Right, but it was still even different.

It wasn't it was saying just kind of opposite needed to have this size of a tree to protect it, it would depend on the output.

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

There's no removal policy like that.

No recommendations or something.

Yeah.

So I I think that's a good addition to you know what we have here, tree removal guidelines.

What's Salt Lake City's urban forestry program has put in place that David found we can add something that addresses like if you take it down, what are we replacing it with?

Not just leaving it there.

And who who takes who normally takes down trees?

Is it U Dot when they're building a row?

Like who does it?

It's whoever they contract it to.

It's whoever the contract with.

I mean, whether it's you dot whether it's a city or whoever it is.

Is that toever the contract?

Right?

Yeah.

I mean, I don't know if you would know Taylor or not, but I'm guessing that obviously this was this was uh prompted because of the Timney Street issue, and that's probably by far and away gonna be the biggest issue we deal with it around the city is gonna be sidewalk with the that would be the thing that is most common that we'll be looking at something like this.

So that was really the main weekend without trying to actually truly go out and make sure they've got the individual resident, you know, is not taking that tree that wouldn't go, but that's it's not really the goal.

AI.

Yeah.

Okay.

Uh we're out of time.

Thank you very much, Michelle.

Um maybe thinking like Arbor Day is next month.

Oh, yes, for sure.

And uh we know this that's really this committee's event or at least their event to give us your recommendations on having heard anything, so I just want to see if there was any ideas or if not, we'll put together an event.

But so I I see that um it is scheduled for April 24th at Rotary Park.

Oh, it's in the end of the day.

I just noticed it.

We haven't made anything yet, so there we go.

Which one's rotary park?

It's where we did it last year.

Yeah, the discount course.

Oh yeah.

Sorry, I didn't know that actually got in there.

Nobody's got a few.

So we definitely need to get down there before all day.

So have you guys um looked printed a potential date for that?

Um this it depends on what we're doing because the 24th is a Friday, right?

Friday, yeah.

So if we wanted to do like we've done in the past, have a little ceremony in a tree or two, and probably do it on Arbor Day if we wanted to do a big public planting and evolve the public man Saturday morning doing some but the 24th.

Oh it is the 24th, okay.

Um real quick at the end of last meeting, I suggested possibility of planting uh one tree at Draper City Park near the memorial, not memorialing that we'll start.

Yeah, we'll start in um in alignment with the American 250.

So it would be an elm tree, and I don't know if there's an appropriate location for planting there.

I think that would be very doable.

I think that would I think that would be kind of a special Arbor Day ceremony.

You know, we memorate America's 250.

I think that'd be I think that'd be great.

That's a great place to do that.

Okay.

Well, if this committee while on board with that, we'll kinda go that direction.

Sounds good.

Would you do it that Saturday the 25th?

Or just one tree, probably the train.

We could do it either day, but mayor would have it's part of the ceremony for the mayor to attend, so maybe it kind of depends on your guys' schedule and the mayor's.

So we have a conference down in St.

George that ends on the 24th, like the afternoon of the 24th of that Saturday, but the mayor will be at that conference, but that's already like that or kind of though.

I don't know.

We may stay longer.

That's just on my calendar of one end.

So it was good, but it'd be different.

Okay.

I'll I'll get with the mayor and see if I'll council the either Friday or Saturday.

I think that'd be different.

Swing title in with the American 250 and planting of a tree that's part of that recommendation to celebrate and unique.

Um the Siberian elm we'd like to put it in the big one.

I can guarantee that one's survival.

Yeah, we can draw them easy to have uh that being said, sorry, real quick.

Uh what elm?

Prospector, or do you have a depends on where they want to put it and how big they want to get it?

I think I think you if you can come up with a space of where you think it would work well, then we can come up with which elm would be best.

Hopefully it's one we can get from our nursery where we've got some tread.

Exactly.

Last time we talked to them, they gave uh we don't know what you're talking about.

Oh really?

Because that was twin pines, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can make sure they've got whatever you need.

No.

Who are you talking to?

With Jeff?

I don't know.

Oh my gosh.

Hopefully it's not a big thing.

Yeah.

But no, you I don't know.

If that's partly what you want to use, I'm sure that you know we can come up with something that's that he would have.

I I can even ask him before we actually recommend if you would like if that's something we want to try to get back.

Sure.

That's fine, sure.

Okay.

All right.

So well, when when they decide how where you're gonna put it, we decide how big uh I'll just make sure that Jeff's got because it could be one or two, three different you know, helms that would match that.

So we'll just make sure Jeff has them so that they can use their credit there.

Okay.

Okay.

We'll go look at it.

But can you have an image?

Maybe you have any time to go look at it, see what you know.

Honestly, if there were somewhere to put three, I was gonna say we didn't have an American 250 tree growth.

Yeah.

Well, no, if there would be somewhere to put three of them, I mean, because elms if we use a bigger one, if you found a place we could really use a bigger elm, that would be a beautiful count if we you know those three together.

We'd be beautiful space.

Well, let's let's look at it.

Do you got a few minutes swing by and see what you think and let us know?

But we'll go look at it too.

Okay, we can make sure Jeff has them.

Sounds good.

Thanks guys.

Thank you, Red.

Quick question for you.