Welcome everyone.

It is six o'clock.

Let's get underway.

We have our study session now, and our first item on our agenda is a report from our South Valley Chamber of Commerce.

Mr.

Jay Francis is going to make that Jay come on up.

Thank you.

They send me those chaperones because I tend to bring things away if I'm not chapter.

And all I had to do is send them this and that.

Thank you.

Once again, this is an annual thing.

I'm a week or two earlier this year than last year.

So speaking of staff, this is this is who we are.

And I've got Jamie and Corey with us tonight.

We knew we were in a small room, so we didn't bring the rest, but we've got Dana Reed and Maryam and Diana Lund and Barbie and Missy and Zoram.

So we've as the chamber has grown, so is the staff.

It's kind of been nice to kind of put some things on some other people's plate.

This is our executive committee with it changed to the first of the year with Scott Western now is our chair, and Rob Ruff is stepped back, is uh just the what we refer to as the most recent chair, and Jennifer Sylvester, Heather Curtis, and uh Dave Dennison with the Gardener Company and Heather's with Swire Coca-Cola.

And this is our board, um, which both the executive committee and the board, that's why I sleep well at night.

Uh they they are such great uh people to work with, they have my back, and we just work well together.

Um what we do we connect, educate, advocate, and roll.

Those are kind of our four pillars that we've kind of plan everything around.

And then we've added and more, and we'll get to the end more at the end as well.

So uh in Draper we did uh 11 ribbon cuttings in 2025.

That's what we're talking about.

Um, which is just you know, if you take that and it times it by uh the number of cities, we just had a record number of uh ribbon cuttings throughout the South Valley, and it just that bodes well for what's going on, regardless of what we're hearing in other places.

People are bullish on going into business.

Under Connect, we have uh our committees.

We have 25 uh members serving on our ambassador committee.

We have 25 members serving on our government repairs public policy committee, which has become really robust.

We spend a lot of time on the hill.

Um we have 38 people on our small business committee, which helps us kind of plan some things that is important for small business, some of our boot camps and our business accelerator that we're providing tools for small businesses.

35 people on our tourism committee, many of which are restaurateurs and hotel managers from Draper.

Um, and we'll touch on tourism in a few minutes.

And then 24 in our women in business committee plus 24 junior with participants, which is something that I'm really pleased.

Um we'll be graduating them next month, this year's um next month already.

Um under the educate, we had uh 27 graduates from the Ladership South Valley.

We had 14 grad, which one of them was Mike last year.

Um, and then we had uh 14 graduates from our business accelerator, our everyday entrepreneur.

We had 14 participants in that course.

And I always like to say that our success on everyday entrepreneurs sometimes they they they all complete the course, some of them go on to start their business, but some of them about session five or six, they say, you know, um I'm not ready to start and be an entrepreneur.

My product's not ready to launch, which is a success because we've saved them thousands of dollars.

Um it's because a lot of people just think they've got this greatest idea and they run out and they spend thousands of dollars only to find out they should have done a little bit more homework, and this helps them.

Our business boot camps, we had four of those, we had 127 attendees.

Our business boot camps are really become hands-on workshops where um small businesses come and get really good hands-on uh topics around AI or around advertising, around sales, and and they they bring extra people and they come and they sit with them after they may give them a half hour of instruction and then they go sit with them and help them really get the tools that they need.

Uh, under advocate, uh we we hosted round tables, we hosted executive forums.

We tracked 20 plus bills in 2025, so that's a year ago.

Um, and then we had what we call the in the know, and we had the uh uh Robert Spendler come talk about the big beautiful bill, and we had the Wasach Regional Council to come talk about their transportation plan for the South Valley.

Under our GROW we hosted our Connect After Hours, which is a number two years ago.

We had a group of uh some of most of which were our ambassadors that said we just we want to have an event where we can come and just rub shoulders and connect with each other, and so um kind of assimilated after some chambers called their business after ours, and it's just done well.

It's they they have not misbehaved, um, and it's we've had good sponsors, so it hasn't been a drain on the chamber, but we've held it all across the whole South Valley.

We're having tomorrow night, we're having one at Top Golf.

If you would like to come swing the clubs.

Uh, let's do lunch.

We had five let's do lunch because we alternate that with Meet the Member every other month.

But we had over 728 attendees that are let's do lunch, meet the members is become a real popular event where we have they just kind of come and meet, and then we have 12 to 15 of our businesses and get two minutes to tell who they are and what they do, and it's a time, they get told to stop.

But they they love talking.

It's kind of I remember my parents used to go to something called bring and brag, um, and it's kind of they get to brag about what they've done and their accomplishments, and it's um it's been a great event for our members.

Our women of business is stellar is uh 10 events last year with over 1,200 attendees, and we're we're now posting you know, sold out uh almost on every one that we're doing.

We had one held one today, and uh with Caitlin Eskleton from Business All Lake, and we had the market sold out in one of the largest rooms that we have available to us.

And then under the category and more, uh we held three golf tournaments with over 430 uh players.

We held our Titan uh awards at Grand America with over 650 attendees.

We honored uh at four honorees plus the small business of the year, and then we held Shark Tank last year with 10 students uh pitching their businesses, and we awarded over 9500 of prize money to go back to those students 5,000 to first, 3,500 to the second, and add up the rest, third or got the rest.

Um, and um but it's it's fun to see these kids.

We just held this year's just last week and at the at the aquarium, they're pitching in front of the shark tank to a panel of judges, and you go away saying, okay, the world's gonna be okay because we've got some sharp kids out there.

Don't go home and watch 10 o'clock news, they'll tell you different.

But come to the Shark Tank or or get involved with our junior whibs, and you'll know that we're going to be okay.

Under tourism, I just wanted to share a little bit because um the hotels in Draper do benefit, and and they are on this committee, and so as things get planned for the South Valley, um, they really benefit from this too.

But overall, we had over nearly 180,000 visitors because of the sporting events.

Now, this is just talking about the sporting events that we helped sponsor and bring here the volleyball.

But last year we had horseshoes, we had three on three basketball, we have baseball tournaments.

We love volleyball because the volleyball moms they track that.

They spent a lot of money in between games.

And the malls love the volleyball.

But we all we had almost 41,000 room nights, and we spent just under 100,000 of investment, and we got 66 million dollars back in economic impact.

I wish I could do that with my investments in my own, but uh the top five events that came.

We had was USA gymnastics, the national archery.

Uh you again USA gymnastics came a second time, but more uh more room nights.

The first one was 3700, the next one was 9,000 room nights, triple pound sports, uh, which is three on three.

They they um brought 6,000 room nights, jam on it, another basketball 4800 roommates, and FitCon was 7,000 room nights, and you can see the economic impact on the far right.

We also did a tourism campaign.

This was this is 2024, 2025.

This isn't but it was a very successful ski, come ski South Valley.

Uh, the impressions that we got and the clicks, and then when it hit when it says events, that's when they clicked on hotels and started looking for hotels to stay.

And uh all of the Draper hotels are listed on our tourism web page.

Um we really we'll I guess I can get this report in a year, but our 2025-2026 uh ski campaign went better than we thought, even though we had no snow.

Um we really got a lot of clicks.

Then I think the people, a lot of people had planned their vacations and they came anyway.

In 2026, um our hope we're gonna be focused, strategic, and purpose-driven.

One of the things we're gonna focus on is service and community impact.

We're we want our businesses to to think beyond their their PL and be able to get involved in the community and get involved and so we're and give back.

We're gonna help them do that.

We're gonna focus on business growth and economic development.

We have a big initiative on member retention and adding some value so they will stay because we have grown in the last four years uh exponentially in our membership, and now we need to retain it and keep those members active and engaged.

And then public policy um is something that because of the size of our footprint now and the number of uh municipalities that we're representing, plus the number of businesses, we have to be better, and and this last year proved that we're we have a great uh co-chairs.

We have Steve Foxley uh from Regents Blue Clash Blue Shield, and public policy is in his DNA.

If any of you know his father, Doug Foxley, and then Kelsey Berg, who was with Senator Romney, the Miller group, and now is with the Olympic Committee as the other co-chair of our public policy.

So uh we're really growing up there.

Um thing we announced at our um annual report in February is that we're um starting a small business impact award, and we'll we'll honor a small business from all seven of our cities, and we will include that in our annual meeting going forward.

But the subs this was something that it's one of those middle of the night you wake up and you have a thought, and it was three days before our annual report, and so we we announced that this slide was made um three hours before our annual report, and um but so we're gonna we're gonna do this one for each city, and we're gonna have it on May 5th at our event room at our office.

And you've already chosen, we haven't reached out to them yet, but we're we're excited to kind of be a little bit more dirt under the fingernails, grassroots with some of these small businesses.

Um I just wanted this.

We look at our relationship with you as a partnership, not a membership.

Um, there are benefits that you get as some of the other quote chamber members, but we really look at our relationship with you as a partnership, as kind of an extension of your economic development work that you're doing.

Strengthening communication and trust.

As we push things out about your city and the things that you're doing, and you push it out, then it's kind of coming from two different voices.

Um we we advance we have the same priorities of economic development of growing and being a strong community, and with us sharing the same things that you're sharing again, that adds to that strength.

And uh we're strengthening the community brand, and then uh as I started out, we really believe that this is a partnership, and that we really want we really are and and feel like we're a partner with you.

That's who we are, and our we're we have changed.

We used to say better now, and now we're saying we're better together as we have kind of grown together.

Did I do it in my time?

I think we did great.

Any questions?

Well, how's the membership?

Um 573, 578.

I don't know if the three became an eight or the eight became a three, but it's it's uh we're just over 570 in membership, which is really really strong.

Yeah, that's awesome.

And how many cities do you have now?

Seven.

Okay, because we can see one board and you only had three years.

Yeah, when well when I yeah, when I started, we had Sandy and Riverton and committed, y'all were half in and half out.

But we we got it.

And so you were the third one, and then uh Cottwood Heights, Herriman, and Bluffdale, South Jordan was the fourth one.

And that and we're fine.

That's that's a really good family.

And and we've it's been fun because we've also got all seven of our mayors together at least twice a year on on our initiative.

I got a text from somebody after we did the last he said you've got the seven sisters together.

So we we feel like that we have helped kind of bring some kind of bond together, working together.

We've had we had a major role in working with the Wasatch uh Regional Council in some transportation issues, and we still we because of our influence and because of working with we think that we can still have that kind of an influence and work to bring things together.

We got a lot going on in the South Valley, it's fun to be part of it.

So something out here called the point.

But have you looked at the new aquarium space for your Titans Award?

Yeah, can we talk offline?

Yeah, okay.

Yes, we have.

Yeah, and and it may happen.

That won't not probably not this year, though.

It'll be nice to have that event in the South Valley though.

Today that's the only place we could consider.

Yeah.

Because there isn't enough place, you know, like last year we were only over 650.

I'll uh call you next later this week.

Okay.

Anyone have any other questions for us?

No, I just think your Titan Awards that you do is fantastic.

It really is a good event.

We it's kind of one of our hallmarks.

It it was a an event that you know before we had a lot of these others that set us apart from other, you know, local or community chambers.

We started that in 2009.

And uh it's been you know going ever since.

And so we we really that needs to be protected as one of our hallmark events, and we've got some potential.

We've only got one on a reef coming up that we that has accepted.

We're extending some invitations later this week.

The last two years we've had two people from Draper, so we'll probably miss this.

It's kind of an ongoing yes, yeah.

All right, thank you, sir.

Thank you.

All right, next we have Brett who's gonna give us a discussion about a monument statute design.

Yeah, where is Red?

That's where I saw him.

There he is.

You're up, Red.

All right, sorry, might have a distress.

Hey, can we his PowerPoint or his uh so the purpose of this study tonight is uh at your option?

It's uh opportunity that came to the city, and put it as a guy.

It's uh opportunity that came to the city.

We've just clicked it.

We've gone uh we've taken this option to the parks and trails recreation committee in a nutshell.

I'll let our guests kind of explain a little bit more.

But we have a local artist that uh Trevor Goth who does beautiful artwork.

We had an opportunity to get an art piece that he designed in Draper City at uh a grassroots fundraising level.

I mean, and they would go out and they would fundraise, talked with the corner canyon trails foundation, they would be willing to be the conduit or the foundation of the donations or the the money that was given for the art would circulate through the foundation, not the city, so that we're kind of a hands-off that way, but really it's just an option to see if you'd be interested in getting a few art pieces, primarily starting with one that we've looked at and kind of identified the arena as also our main trailhead for Corner Canyon and a lot of bikers to uh to come right at the entrance to have an art piece.

We've identified a few other places, but this is our primary focus right now is this this first piece, and if you like it, we'll uh kind of give the green light and if you want to talk about it and come back with the decision.

There's there's nothing set in stone, there's nothing agreed upon, there's no nothing in writing, it's just an opportunity.

So I've invited Trevor.

Trevor is our local artist.

He's uh a draper.

Born in born and raised draper.

Grew up when it was a lot smaller and different.

Is this for city council?

City council here.

Um basically just raise your hand.

You guys take these with you?

I can go.

So there's also more information here.

There's one or two choice.

Hi, and then there you go, buddy.

Thank you for the opportunity.

So our private funding has gotten us this far.

I don't know if you're familiar or not with the micro roundabout.

That's the first stone sculpture that I built for the city, and we installed that quite a well, it's like 16 years ago.

Um so since then I've been following the public art market, have a few pieces around, and throughout that, I've learned a lot about uh you know the different cities and counties across the country.

In your package, you'll find how um you know, like what arts and museums spent last year.

So this is also an opportunity for me to do service work and creating a piece that it builds my portfolio, but it's about community engagement, you know.

So there's an opportunity here to engage with the bicycle clubs, the community, different ways to raise money for this.

We have private sponsors right now that have gotten us this far.

So we're super excited about that.

Um the project's already started in a sense of like um you'll see there's a do you have the second slide?

Yeah, so we put this in place up there at the entrance of the um I think it's the arena, the Andy Valor Arena, yeah, right.

Yep, yeah.

So this is actual live shot, like it would looking towards north.

You guys can see the tent where the you know at the arena.

Um, and so this is kind of what it would be um size wise for identify yourself, please.

Orion's random.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

So Ryan and I have been childhood buddies since we were children, right here in Draver.

Sorry about that for well, you know, it's a you know, it's a beautiful thing, buddy.

So I put this planted this seat in Trevor's head because I he's been doing all this different stuff, and I was kind of excited about it.

Um I have to be honest, I would rather have it be a runner than a biker, but we have to we have to start somewhere.

And um, I think the bike community and what we have in the sense of a trail system is is unmatched.

I mean, it is what council and what what what we put forward for this is absolutely spectacular.

So I was just like, what can we do that would be a give back that start something that'd be kind of cool, and so that's where this just kind of this brain child just kind of started with Trevor and I, and Trevor just took the thing and started going.

So um it's been it's been a pleasure to do.

So yeah.

And I don't know if any of you ever visited the uh Utah Arts Festival in the last several years.

Um several of the large sculpts have been displayed.

There'll be more large sculptures displayed again there down there this year.

Uh recycling, so this is also recycling.

You know, this is another way to put our old parts back together.

Also, like this piece here, his his face is actually cast.

So on the sculpture, there'll be some actually cast recycled metal, there'll be cast and actual parts.

These are just models built.

Um there'll be a lot more detail in uh the hero size.

So hero size is one and a half times the human size.

You know, so if you imagine that makes me a nine foot tall guy, you know what I mean?

So we're gonna have a nine foot tall, a one and a half times size of the bicycle.

Uh it makes it a monumental piece, we call it a hero size.

And uh, you know, so we're excited.

Um, we're ready to go.

We've been building the studio.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a studio down here in Draper.

Um so I have a nice shop, so I have a studio up in Clearfield where I've got room to build and we're ready to go with it.

So with City Council, there's some other pieces in there, some information for you guys to take and absorb into um what this is and has the opportunity to grow into.

It would be considered like a civic landmark project.

Uh you have a lot of opportunity here.

Uh, it also shows what uh arts and museums spent um in 2025.

They spent 7.5 million dollars.

They've already allocated one point um six million as of today in Utah in Utah.

This is just Utah.

Uh last night's no college bid for a hundred thousand dollar piece, park city bids in two days for you know, like quite a bit.

There's there's art going on everywhere, and it's an amazing market across the country.

And what I've learned is there's some really cool parks and recs that do different things throughout their trail, their trail systems and their heads, and there's it's endless what can be created with it.

So there's some fun stuff, especially for city council in there, some great ideas.

And I know we only have a short time, so but we are ready to go.

So maybe you need to throw a cowboy hat on that one.

Well, we have a horse.

I actually started the horse, you know, because when we sat down, we had some ideas of the horse, the runner, and then the paragliding bench.

And so only city council has you have the first shot of the paragliding bench in the back of your packet, and then you have the bicyclist.

There was talk in parks and rec at the top of the trail, what's the name of top of the trail up there?

Um top of rush at the trail right up there, peak view.

Yeah, for the for this one up here, because this one could rotate, it's windy up there, so the wind can rotate that one around.

The one back there has movement to it, um, you know, so it has some moving cool moving parts to it, and we'll be able to do so like that.

It's it's durable, it's gonna be coated with um an automotive clear coat that's they say it's good for a hundred years.

Uh you know, so graffiti resistant, but my experience with this type of art, usually the graffiti artists leave it alone.

It's respected.

What about teenagers like vandalizing or breaking?

It is solid still.

I mean, they can go at it all they want, and they're not gonna do anything to it.

Okay, yeah.

And if it did break, do you come back and oh absolutely, but it it's you know, when we fabricate this at that size um in the stone, and we can have some engineering review, but it's solid still.

You know, so because a lot of the new mountain bikes are carbon fiber, so I can't put together carbon fiber.

So we're gonna use steel parts to actually create this and mimic the new the newer mountain bikes.

I could see little kids climbing up onto the rock.

Is there gonna be anything dangerous they could stick fingers in or no?

It'll all be rounded off smooth, you know what I mean?

This will all be smooth, ADA compliant, nothing that's gonna be.

The rock can change any size anyway to where that rock is not climbable, if you will, you know, it can be hot taller.

This is just flat, so you can picture kids getting up on there and doing that.

Um in in talking to things when we were at the trailheads when people were looking at it and looking at the sculptures when we were just up there talking about locations and things like that.

Um with the parks and rec.

We talked about that, and we talked about you know, pictures and what would the background look like four pictures, and we were trying to find a place for that.

So the art, in a sense, Trevor's kind of hoped it'd be a little bit interactive that you could be up next to it and you can take a picture with it, but again, safety, you know, where you can't rip something off or you can't hurt yourself or get poked.

Yeah, yeah, so on.

So it would be it would be safe enough for you to be able to do it, but then we did talk about you know the people that were up there like, oh my gosh, where's what's this?

What's that?

You need a hundred questions, so yeah, it's kind of fun.

I have a piece that I showed the Utah Artist Festival, and I I swear this kid this piece has been touched and photographed by probably 30,000 people, kids and families touching it, experiencing it, it's got wood metal, everything's ground and round, you know, no sharp edges, and people really enjoy it.

So you're looking for council's approval of doing it at the to go ahead and raise the really tonight, or you want to talk about it and let us know later, but I can get what Trevor Burrus One, it'd be approval to put it at the arena, and two for them to go out and have a grassroots fundraising, raise money for the sculpture, and the one enough is raised, then they would commission the artist to pick the create the real one and uh we can bring back renderings of what the actual real one would look like when which the park and trails has agreed to help raise some of that fund, right?

No, not not directly.

They weren't founded through the foundation.

Yes, the foundation yes.

No public, no money from the city would be where we're not requesting any dollars from the city.

All we're requesting is permission, contract, all those type things to put the thing on city property.

Do we have any liability around this?

We always do.

I mean, like it's are you talking about like per like in terms of injuries, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, like in terms of it, we always are gonna have any non-city property is up for potential you know injury, someone's gonna figure out a way.

But I I would say the risk is present, it's really a question of is it you know, so much that you would want to do it.

It sounds like so far from what we've heard, it hasn't been um an excessive amount of risk based on like yeah, so some of the statues that we have that historic parks on the old pioneers and stuff like that.

They would be in the ground solid.

They have one of these down in St.

George if it's not.

No, and if you if there's a reason that we want this above ground, I mean higher off the ground that you can't physically get up there, we can always change that.

But we wanted the natural feel of the canyon with the rock.

So that we want it to feel like not just on a stick or on a post, something like that.

You we could raise it up to where it's you know not climbable or whatever, but we didn't want to take away from the natural, you know, the the corner canyon and what the craziness that they go up there.

I mean, you probably have a larger liability right next walking on a trail next to someone um with one of these cool mountain bikes.

So um, but yeah.

All right, do you are you are for or three of you in favor of letting them begin fundraising?

And are you okay if they place something later to be termed at the ring started off?

I yeah, I am.

Would we get to kind of approve what I mean?

Is it this particular statue?

Is it something similar or this is all fresh parts?

Okay, so when we go to one and a half times life size, right?

Um I've I've been gathering parts, I'm gonna gather more parts.

It's gonna be colorful, it's gonna be beautiful.

It's an original piece, you know.

I mean, so I really can't tell you exactly right now what piece is gonna go where as I put it together, and that's the art.

That's the art in it.

Yeah, I think I just kind of echo some of Tasha's concerns about we don't I don't want you know having had a teenage boy, you know.

I don't I don't want it to be inviting to them to you know mess with it.

So that would be my I think the more messing with it would be along if they're gonna take pictures with it.

Yeah, you know, and it's like you know, we'll be baseball bat proof.

I guess that's the best way to say it.

It would be core drilled into the stone, so the core drilling alone, that shaft alone is gonna be at least inch and a half to two inches thick, you know.

So this is you know, heavy duty stuff.

Right, so I got two of you third one.

I like public art.

I think art is really important for communities and residents.

So you're yes.

I'm just a little worried about the liability piece, but I want to make sure it doesn't fall over on a kid or someone listening for hand caught or some dumb teenager doesn't climb up on it and jump off or maybe really like that though for everything.

And we will bike engineering to look at it if you do it as well.

So you know can you put a do not climb up there?

Is that oh, does that do anything?

As long as people read signs, yeah.

But I mean, but that's well, there's a sign and you didn't.

Yeah, and I think there's concern, right?

Like is it is it an attractive nuisance?

Like, does it appeal to a child who wants to get up and ride on it?

Like, are they gonna do something done like that?

So a big one of these at the big trailhead and boulder.

Um, and it's been there for a long time.

So they haven't had any trouble.

Yeah, St.

George has a huge one right by their gold star.

They've never had any issues with it.

I I think public art is really cool and something that we should invest.

I mean, yes, like I said, if we can focus on those um safety, just I want an approval from Tracy, you know.

I want you to run it through her on all of that.

Okay, my other concern would be we hear a lot from residents that mountain bikers get all it, all the attention and all the glory.

Let's just make sure that we can move forward and have other public art that honors the hikers and we have the model of the horse and stuff like that.

We have a horse in the hall, but we're working, you know, just to give you guys opportunity uh other ideas.

Again, I I said hiker first, but you know, are we we have a community that that uses that mountain like Disneyland?

So um, I you know, but I do think that that is ultimately our goal is is that this just tips over the domino and you guys start seeing more of this, and there's more art in the city that it's really cool.

I mean when we were at parks and trails, they talked about oh my gosh, we could do hang glider.

That's in your packet.

I mean we could do this, we can do this, we can do this.

It kind of just it just kind of started a fire storm of like what would be cool, you know, the different things and yes, a hundred percent.

We talked about that at the end of the day.

Families, yeah, yeah.

And we talked about that at Red Rock for the Raw climbers and things like that, you know, having something kind of rolling neat and different.

Um anyway.

We really don't have a lot of public art.

One thing we do also talk about is tying this into America 250 and yeah, so we do have a flag.

See the flag down there.

So I put on the uh six white and seven red with some antique white and some antique red on um just a piece of red, you know, like a uh of a rusted metallic.

So we got the thing we talked about in sponsorship was like racing jerseys, and that's been kind of going back and forth with big sponsors.

Um I have connections at Geneva Rock, Steaker, you know, been around a long time.

But uh and actually done a big giant research on all the different companies that are here in Draper that donate towards you know art.

Um, you know, so it is it's like it's it's an opportunity, and you'll read that in here.

It's an opportunity to celebrate the entire year of you know what I mean of our 250th birthday of starting from scratch.

These sculptures are from scratch, and they you know we should turn into something beautiful.

Okay, we got sorry, we got stuff for you, and we've got three four people agreed, so time to talk.

Thanks.

Okay.

By the way, Troy, these are already spoken for one of those.

And I want that one down there.

Of course.

That's how I've landed that way before.

Yeah, well, you'll appreciate this.

So uh, you know, you see it's the movement.

I'll get his head around and be like, and then you just drop the that's how your arm goes too when you crash.

Yeah, thanks, Trevor.

You guys have a great day.

Thanks, Ryan.

Thank you for the opportunity.

All right, we have a reason for a closed session to talk about pending and potential litigation against the city of Drakewood.

Is there a motion to uh enter a closed session for that reason?

And second red?

Second yes.

Okay, I got a second, but I don't have Brenda work out.

Uh we have a motion and a second going to close.

Um we stand closed to the stage agreement for zero.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our city council meeting.

I would like to call the meeting to order and get us underway.

We apologize for being a few minutes late.

We had some other business we had to do.

So first item business is a call meeting to order, which I've done.

We're gonna have the Pledge of Allegiance led by our our director of finance, uh, Mr.

John Vyke.

John, come on up.

Thank you, John.

Next item on our agenda is an opportunity for people to make uh general public comment to the council.

There are on our agenda, um, we have two three public hearings item 5A, 5B, and 5C.

If you're here to make public comment on those public hearings, um we ask that you wait until those are called so we can keep our record clear.

But if you have a general public comment, something not on the agenda that you would like the council to listen to you on.

I have one card here from Eddie and Diana Turpin, and it says here you do not want to talk.

Is that correct?

You do want to talk?

Okay.

Got another card from Tyler Ashby.

Tyler, you want to you want to speak as well.

Okay.

Um I know there's at least two, so let me go over the rules with you.

If you look at the card, they're on there.

This is an opportunity for comment to the council.

We aren't answering questions, it's not a c it's not a conversation with the council if you haven't done it before.

Um, we will listen to you.

The timer to my right is at three minutes, and everybody gets three minutes.

You don't have to use them all, but you can.

But at the end of three minutes, your term will be up, and that's we treat everybody with that equal level of fairness.

Um, but give us your name and address that'll start your time.

Um, and if you you can ask the council questions, they'll be rhetorical.

Council may address the issues later on in the meeting, but right now it's just an opportunity for you to be heard um by the council.

So I've got the cards.

I'll call up uh and and I'll let anyone that wants to speak speak.

Um, Eddie Eddie Turpin.

Come on up, sir.

Give us give us your name and address for the record and go ahead, sir.

I'm hoping I'd be sick.

Anyway, I'm Eddie Turpin.

I live on 1120 East, 13400 South, where I've this has gone on for years.

They've talked about opening up 1340 approximately 90s, I think 945e, something like that.

I was just concerned if uh to see what what I could do, or my neighbors have been in here before to stop that.

But if not, uh I wanted to know if they were gonna put in a curb and gutter.

And uh if they do great.

If uh also even if they don't put curb gutter, uh what they need to do mostly also is put speed bumps on that road because it's gonna turn it into a flipping race track.

I used to live on 1565 East, which is Relation Street in 12400 South, and uh people would race down that road, and then they put those two big giant speed bumps on the road just east of Relation Street on like so 17, you know, like 1600 east, it might be considered 1700 east.

They had two of those big giant speed bumps, and that slowed people down through the neighborhood.

So that's my main concern.

If they do that, they definitely need to put those speed bumps in.

Uh, also there's a place in that neighborhood, it's just a little south of me.

So if you go down, if you go to 13400 south, just off of 13th east, and you go down to 1100 east, and then you go south about two blocks of about 135, 1350 south, and you have to make a left and you come to another stop sign.

And I don't know what that road is, but there's another gate in that neighborhood that takes you out to the 13800, but it's always locked.

I don't know if somebody somebody said somebody privately owns that gate, but it's kept there.

I was wondering if they could open that up instead of opening up 134, if that's a possibility.

But uh my main concern was uh if they were gonna at least put uh curb and gutter, but if not that, then it's definitely uh put those giant speed bumps so that would because right now it's a nice peaceful neighborhood.

You know, nobody comes in down through there except the people that live there.

If they open 13400 up, that's just gonna just turn that road all the way from Boulder Street all the way to 13th East, and it's just gonna make it a nightmare through there.

So there's a lot of kids that live up in that neighborhood, and uh I don't want to have to be in here for being yelling at people going down that road 80 miles an hour, but if you put those speed bumps in, it'd be that would make a difference for uh like I said, my neighborhood I lived in before on 17th East, it really slowed people down because you can only hit those big speed bumps so fast, it'll take it'll throw you your car pretty good if you do so.

And uh so that's all I have to say.

I was told that the meeting was gonna be a six o'clock today on this subject, but apparently I somebody must have told me wrong.

But I appreciate your time.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Next person, Tyler Ashby.

Come on up, sir.

Slide this aside.

I've also provided handouts.

So my name is Tyler Ashby.

My address is 1116 east, 132nd south.

I'm here to talk to you today because my mother has almost been hit multiple times at an unsafe intersection created by a developer without permission from the city.

There is a steep and unacceptable cost to deferred accountability.

While my focus is on a specific developer and a specific safety issue, my words here today go out to every builder in this city.

And that message is you are welcome to profit alongside us, but you will not defer your accountability.

When it comes to the safety of our citizens and the standards of our community.

When we consider the very real constraints that are placed on local governments, it becomes critical to act when possible.

Utah is open for business, and I'm glad that it is.

We here in Draper know this all too well from developers, private engineering reports, or state mandated mining rights, right?

I don't bring these up as a sore spot.

I don't bring these up as a criticism of our leadership.

I bring them up for one crucial point.

Because our hands are so often tied, when we have the ability to act, we must act, which brings us to an account of documented defiance.

We have a developer in a situation where the city has full authority to act.

This developer has built a well over eight foot sign in a prohibited location.

The city has already notified the developer that constructing without a permit allows action at the developer's own risk.

Which brings us to asking the question with this hazard still standing on a public utility easement today.

Well, I am not personally able to comment on the 12 by 12 triangle that is referenced on the permit.

I didn't even know it's a rule.

What I can say is the physical reality is undeniable.

It is an unsafe intersection.

Pedestrians, cyclists, joggers cannot see cars as they approach that intersection.

I have never once seen a car stop at the actual stop line.

In the photo evidence I've provided you, that's a photo of our own contracted garbage truck driver driving down a private lane, sitting high up in his cab, unable to see over this 12 foot sign.

Thank you.

So anyone else would like to address the council on a matter of um not on the agenda for public hearing, but general public comment.

All right, seeing no further general public comment, we'll move forward on our agenda.

Item number four.

Item number four, our items for consent for the council.

Item 4A is approval of the meeting minutes of the February 17th, 2026, and March 3rd, 2026, City Council meeting minutes.

Item 4B is approval of the assessment in lieu for Stony Brook homes at 997 East 13450 South.

Is there a motion?

Mr.

Mayor move that we adopt the consent items.

I have a motion by Bryn to adopt the consent items.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Tasha.

Second by Tasha.

Is there any further discussion?

RT number in how do you vote?

Yes.

Tasha?

Yes.

Catherine?

Yes.

Fred.

Yes.

Well, that item is those items are approved unanimously for zero.

Item number five is a public hearing.

It's 5A is a public hearing regarding the providing of local consent for a single event permit for HPV for HPP.

Sorry, man.

HVPC LLC DBA Peak Pickleball Club.

Travis, go ahead, sir.

Okay, local consent for H V PC L C for a single event.

They're going to be holding this single event on April 11th, 3 p.m.

to 6 p.m.

It's going to be at 1055 East Draper Parkway Suite 300.

And it's going to be called Dinks and Drinks Spring Fling.

Qualifications.

Travis, you put that mic more right in your face.

So they're meet that qualification.

Thank you, Travis.

Is there anyone from the public that would like to address the council on item 5A?

Providing local consent for single event permit for HVPC L L C DBA peak pickleball club.

All right, seeing no public comment, I'll close the public comment period.

Mr.

Mayor, I'd like to move to approve providing local consent for a single event permit.

All right, motion with Ms.

Larry to approve five A's or second.

I second.

Second by Ms.

Johnson.

Any further discussion.

Oh, Dalin.

Did you do it?

Yeah, I'm deaf in that ear.

Sorry.

It was Catherine that seconded the motion.

I apologize.

All right.

Yes.

How do you vote?

Yes.

Catherine.

Yes.

Yes.

Brian.

Yes.

All right.

Sorry.

Items approved.

Four to zero.

That takes us to item 5B.

This is also a public hearing.

It's ordinance 1708.

It's an ordinance approving the Kimballs Lane Junction Development Agreement amendment for approximately 21 acres of property located at approximately 632 East Kimballs Lane within Draper City.

We'll have a staff report by Jennifer Justremsky.

Jennifer, go ahead.

Great, thank you.

So you're all familiar with this property.

We've had a development agreement last year on it, as well as the stationary plan.

But it's between Kimball's and 119th South and just across the street from the Kimballs track station.

Historically, most of it's been farmed.

There were up until recently four homes on the property.

Just to kind of remind you about the Kimball Station Area Plan.

That's looking at all properties within a half mile radius of the track station itself.

It did look for uh multifamily housing on the property as well as uh a trail along the creek and and a connection for for these two um pieces.

Okay, so the proposed development agreement before you tonight, um, it maintains that density that's already been approved at the 25 to 27 units per acre.

It does fully comply with our parking code, so they're not asking for any deviations in parking.

Um I'll change the name from Kimball's Junction to Kimball Station.

Um they have quite a few different amenities within the uh community for their residents, a clubhouse with a pool, workout room, they have a dog park, playgrounds, seating areas.

Um they're proposing a public trail along the East Jordan Canal with good faith efforts to preserve existing trees.

Um that trail is on our master plan.

Um but I want to take a second to talk about what that good faith effort for for trees means.

Um so the the canal runs here.

You can see this section of canal is actually on a separate piece of property um where this section kind of skirts uh the subject site and the property to the north.

Um so as they're going in and they're putting that trail along you know their their property and along that canal.

Um they're gonna work to keep and preserve the trees that they can.

Um, but like right here you can see a bunch of trees, but the road will they'll have a road that goes through here, so they will have to remove trees from here for that road and and the bridge that will go in.

So though there will be some impact to the trees, but the goal is to preserve as many as we can.

And obviously, the trees that are on you know, private property that are not part of the development, they they can't impact.

Um, let's see.

I had one more on here.

Um, 119 south will be used for emergency access only.

Um, and they will have removable ballards to prevent uh access generally.

Um site design standards.

Uh they have specific building elevations in the development agreement for approval, building heights would be up to 54 feet.

So the condos they have a four-story building and a three-story building, and the townhomes will also be three stories in height.

They're asking for a pedestrian network design that I'll go over versus having a strict uh sidewalk on both sides of the street configuration.

On parking spaces, they're asking for a little two-foot reduction on the length of both car ports and parallel spaces.

And then overall open space reduction from 30% to 25%.

Setback standards, 10-foot setbacks from public roads.

Our code is kind of dependent on the height of the building, three stories or less, or over three stories.

And then they're asking for 10 feet in between buildings on site.

Driveways, they are requesting 18-foot deep driveways as well as garage setback of 18 feet.

So our code generally requires 20 feet for driveways.

Sorry.

I apologize.

Our code typically requires 26.

And I do have an image of those alleys.

So that would be your 20-foot alley here, and then each unit has the 18-foot driveway.

Okay, so the actual drawings that are the exhibits.

This is their overall layout.

So the kind of green, grayish color are your four-story condos, the brown is your three-story condos, and then the yellow is your town homes.

So this would be the clubhouse building.

You can see they have several open space areas.

Each townhome building, each townhome has its own garage, and then each condo building does have a row of 10 garage spaces as well.

On this plan, you can see the the red is actually those walkways.

So this is their proposed walkway system.

They have not requested any deviation to that, so there will be you know crosswalks provided when they come through for their site plan, but that's what their pedestrian connections and network would look like.

Some images of the open space, the clubhouse, and then some additional uh amenity spaces between playgrounds, dog parks, sitting areas, the pool area, that kind of thing.

And then the uh trail would be here along along the property line, abutting the canal.

Um building elevation, so these are their four-story uh units, they have um units that have peaked roofs, and then units that have more flat roofs, um their three-story units, and then the townhomes.

Uh parking, like I said, they're not requesting any deviations to parking uh specifically.

Um they will have garages, they'll have covered and uncovered, and they will have some areas of parallel on street parking um in just a few areas.

Um, but it does fully comply with our code for parking.

Um so planning commission did forward a positive recommendation on this.

They had um a couple recommendations, they wanted to see um the language in the development agreement clarified uh that that canal trail will be installed and dedicated to the city.

Um and these next three were actually recommendations from staff.

Um the first two staff want to make sure that it was very clear in the development agreement that any uh public improvements, public right-of-way would be um would comply with city standards, except for where it's been outlined in the development agreement to do otherwise, and that would be that park strip sidewalk configuration along Kimball's.

Um, and then the developer had uh been proposing to not uh well staff had asked for a half cul de sac on 119th.

The developer had proposed to not do a cul-de-sac, um so we were asking for that.

Um the developer has since submitted an updated development agreement addressing the planning commission recommendations.

Um so this is the language that they're proposing to put in uh section 3.2.2 um that does talk about um construction dedication of the public trail along the uh canal.

Um they are uh agreeing to install that uh half uh cul-de-sac on 119 south and dedicate that to the city and then the uh clarifying language just uh that public improvements will comply with code, and I just have a couple images here.

Like I said, I believe the houses have been taken down.

Um yeah, happy to answer any questions.

Questions for Jennifer.

I have a couple.

Um I have a question about some of the variances for the setbacks.

Um I'm concerned about going from 15 feet to 10 feet.

I feel like that's about a third of the amount uh variance that they're asking for.

Um so I you know I I'm questioning that as well as the variance for the alleyways.

It ends up being a total of eight feet that we're taking away.

If you talk about you know, the alleyway being um 20 instead of 26, and then the driveway being 18 instead of 20.

Um that's a total of an eight-foot deviation for that area as well.

So I'm just concerned that it's gonna feel like we've just crammed so much stuff in that space.

And in addition with also saying that there only needs to be a 25% open space.

So I feel like all of those factors are might contribute to a really dense feeling space instead of um more of a community that's open and walkable and yeah.

Um well, and I'll I'll point out the the alleys, the the 20-foot alleyways, there's four of them, five of them.

There's they're they're right here, here, here, and then here, and I I think right here as well.

So they're they're not the whole project.

Um, the majority of the project will have 27 foot wide roads throughout.

Um there is that it's not uh every building isn't served by a 20-foot wide um alley.

Um sorry, it's the it's there's three project or yeah, so there's this one, this one, this one, and then this one here.

And I'm not sure about these.

I'd have to go in and on the other parcel as well.

Um, you know what?

These are these two would be as well.

Sorry, these two would be as well.

So those those are the alleys, and then um the rest are the 27th.

Yeah.

But that's gonna be the main access to those townhomes, correct?

Yes.

And then the driveway's been reduced to 18 feet.

So I share a similar concern, Bryn.

Because I I mean you an 18-foot driveway.

Can you park a truck in that without going out into the street?

I'm not sure about a truck, a standard car you can, but I'm not sure about a truck.

Um yeah, so I mean, these are these are questions to ask the in on their their design.

Okay, because I feel like it's double, right?

We've we've put one variance against another variance, and so it's you do you see what I mean?

Yeah.

Um yeah, and I I think to Bryn and Fred's point, this being part of a station area plan, there were many things that we could not control with this project, including density.

To now be in front of us asking for so many deviations from code is a little worrisome.

I'd like to know that there's a really good rationale for these requests, because otherwise my assumption would be that city code is right and proper.

Okay.

Um so my thought is the RM2 zone really is designed for townhomes.

So our existing RM2 zone is designed for town homes, um, 12 units per acre, uh condos, things like that.

So it is designed for development that's quite a bit less dense.

Um so with this project, it's got a lot higher density than what our standards were designed for.

Um so I'll I'll use open space as an example.

Um the RM2 zone requires the 30% open space for a uh transit-oriented development, 30% is extremely high.

Um is even probably high for a trans-oriented development.

So it's I think it's trying to design uh a high density project with code that's designed for still high density, but not as high density.

Yeah, because there's nothing in our code that goes up to 24 or 25.

Correct.

Yeah, everything that we have that has higher than 12, it's in a commercial special district zone or a transit station district zone that has specific standards for that development.

Can I ask on that?

And just on those variances.

So that was the one that I was curious.

You had said that they were asking for a variance on the open space, and so it's it's zoned for 30%, and what is it that they're asking?

For 25.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, they want 25%.

So my concern would be because this is more dense.

Perhaps we want to be even more cautious with things like these driveway lengths.

Okay.

Because if we do have a bunch of trucks that are sticking out into the alleyway or the roadway, I can see that becoming a traffic issue.

Especially if it's only especially if it's only a 12-foot road that it's sticking in out into that could and that won't that's not a one-lane road, so you're gonna have vehicles parked across the street from each other, those driveways are gonna be facing each other.

That's a problem.

I think it's a problem.

I'm not the it's not the density that's my concern, it's the proximity between each of the these buildings and driveways and things.

Well, I think to Bryn's point, we want it to be a community, a livable community.

And if the trucks are bumping into each other as they're backing out, it's not gonna work.

Or a van, a minivan, even I mean it's that's tight.

I think it might be helpful to see be just because you said that we we don't have this kind um of density, our zoning isn't necessarily it would be interesting to see in a transit-oriented development in another place if they where they have the shorter very what they're asking for, if we could see that and see um I I don't know if it exists.

Do you know what I mean?

But yeah, but seeing an example of that of what it was, because it it just feels a lot smaller than than what we have, so it would be interesting if that has been done before and it works without feeling yeah, cramped.

We can do some research and bring back some projects that that kind of have similar setups.

I don't have any off the top of my head to you know pull up Google Earth and show you.

Um, but that's something staff could do some research on and bring back.

I think it would be helpful to know you know, kind of what those those standards are and if some of these deviations fall within those standards.

Okay.

Um I think my other big concern.

Do you mind going to the sidewalk?

No one that that illustrated the sidewalk.

And I will say that I do feel like this is fairly walkable.

Um, but you know, I had a lot of little kids at one point in my life, and I needed stro I needed to feel like I if I was walking around with them in a stroller and some out and about um that we were walking in a safe spot.

And I'm concerned that some of these don't really connect from one place to another with a sidewalk.

So, like that lower that that lower row of those like town homes, there's no sidewalk on that private drive right there.

So if they wanted to walk around, there they couldn't really walk safely to get to 119th.

Do you see do you see where I'm saying?

Yeah, and 119, the public portion of 119th ends right here.

So everything lost of that is private property.

So they would need to kind of come over here to get to the public portion.

But yes, I I see where you're what you're you're saying on taking a look at those those connections.

Because I just think for me, I mean, the walking was very important, and I think this is a community that we want to encourage walking to tracks to pirate oaths, to those kinds of things.

I just want to make sure that the connections all make sense.

Well, and they're going to be conceivably walking within the development to go to these different amenities, right?

So let's make sure that the sidewalks all connect throughout the development.

It's kind of difficult to tell on this picture where the sidewalks actually are.

I think we could uh work.

So you could request uh another exhibit for walkways specific.

Like, I mean, if the red lines are the sidewalks, it seems some of them just kind of dead end and they don't connect in to the next project.

I'd also like to see where the crosswalks are.

And then I just have a couple other questions.

Sorry.

Um so I noticed that in some of the stationary plans we talked about uh lighting and um this the standards for that.

Will those be addressed in a site plan?

Yes, so they have not requested any deviations to lighting within the development agreement.

So any lighting would have to comply with our code.

Um we do have strict lighting standards, um, pull height, uh, foot candle levels that they would have to comply with.

Okay.

Um then are we will we be getting an updated traffic study now that we have a little bit more information?

So, yeah, so with the site plan, they'll be required to do a traffic study.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah, the other questions for Jennifer right now.

Okay.

All right, this is a public hearing.

It's ordinance number 1708.

Is there anyone here that would like to address the council on item five B ordinance 1708?

Hold on, Paxon.

You're not the public.

Is there anyone from the public that would like to address the council?

Is that what you should just talk about?

This is the public hearing.

This item right now, if you want to come up, give us your name and address.

Go ahead, ma'am.

Mary Schumann, 402 East Mountain Berry Drive.

I'm just asking a question about that traffic study.

Um, is that something that's gonna be made available to the community?

Is that something you're gonna visit uh for a set of hearing for to look at, or how does that work?

It's not a question and answer period, it's a public comment.

That's your comment.

Yeah, I'm just wondering if uh what the process was on on accepting this kind of high density development prior to the traffic study results.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else like to address the council?

I just want to make a comment.

Uh give us your name and address, sir.

Eddie Turpin, 1120 east.

13400 south.

I just Googled how long my truck is.

You're talking about with the 18-foot driveway, 18 feet.

Well, I have a total tundra crew cab with a small bed.

That's uh 19.47 feet, so 19 and a half feet with a short bed.

If you have the long bed, that's another foot, so that's 20 and a half feet.

So you can just take that in your driveway considerations.

Now I don't know about sidewalks, just let's throw that out there.

Thank you, sir.

Anyone else like to address the council on item 5B?

Ordinance 1708.

Come on up.

Sylvia Anderson, um, I have rental properties.

One of the addresses is 655 east, one 1900 south, and it backs right on to the project.

Um I would be concerned in listening to the number of variances, just as uh Ms.

Johnson was that these are very tight.

These the city's codes are being reduced.

I understand this is to be a tight project, but when you reduce the parking spaces and um uh some of the sizes of the streets, that's going to cause future problems.

Um it's almost like can we move some of the densities some other way so that you can continue having spaces.

Um another thing I wanted to bring up to the city is that about um 30 years ago when the um Catholic Diocese spot the property further to the well, in between these two projects, no, further to the to the um west of these projects, the discussion in the city meetings was 300 east, and what was going to happen because the project was right in the middle of the right-of-way.

At that time, the discussion was yes, this is a public right-of-way, and the city uh public would continue to use that right-of-way with only having that uh right of way affected occasionally, and it seems to me that's been reversed where usually you don't use that right-of-way.

So it may be worth investigating what the agreement was because what I see in looking at this is yes, there will be a traffic study done, and we will have confirmed what we already all know.

Traffic is a huge issue.

It's an issue now.

You're adding 500 residences.

It's going to be a problem.

And so to look at this with ideas of how to uh diffuse the traffic in different directions, even at this time, maybe even just in your council meetings.

I don't believe that this is an issue primarily for this developer.

I'm saying it's an issue for the city, and that this is going to continue exacerbating the problem.

So uh those were things that I just wanted to mention for your consideration.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else like to address the council on this item?

All right, seeing no further public comment on this.

We'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the council.

Mr.

Guyman, do you want to address the council from your side of the yes?

Thank you.

Good evening, Mayor and City Council members.

Paxton Guiman, uh, General Counsel for Edge Homes, our office is here in Draper City, just off of Second West.

Um, I appreciate your time tonight, and I assure you you are asking all the right questions.

And we have dealt with these issues over the last nine months as we've come up with this plan to present to you tonight.

Um I want to take a step back and just remind you kind of where we're at, how we got here.

You'll recall that last June in 2025, we got a development agreement and a rezon approved by this same body.

And at the time, uh there were concerns about a stationary plan being crammed down from the state that could have resulted in apartments with 40 units per acre.

And so I think there was a policy-based decision that you made, a well-founded decision that we were better off approving a project that would be owner-occupied that provides for 30 workforce housing units with additional price credits and subsidies from the developer that provides for a product mix, but primarily a density that we all agreed upon.

A density that would be not less than 25 units per acre, not more than 27 units per acre.

And we knew at the time that there would be a lot of requests for code exemptions.

Why?

Because the city only has one zone that even comes close to this density, and that's the RM2 zone.

The RM2 zone contemplates about 12 units per acre.

Let me just tell you, there is no possible way to comply with the RM2 zone and hit the zoning or the density units that were approved when the property was rezoned.

It is not possible.

Maybe we could come close if all we built were four-story condominiums in this entire project with not much open space with not many common amenities.

The reason you are seeing so many requests for exemptions is because it allows us to do a few really key things.

Please bear with me as I recite these.

One, we have a great product mix.

We have three different residential products here.

Three-story condominium buildings, four-story condominium buildings, and townhomes.

That provides a different product mix and price point for the varying demands of the market.

It also provides for variety with the within the project, which is a nice element.

By having this sort of a layout, we have a lot of open spaces.

It's unheard of to have a project that's 25 units per acre with 25% open space.

We've achieved that.

And we've done it through the very things we're asking you to approve tonight.

You look at the alleyways, I know that was a concern.

You rightfully raised.

We we've, by the way, this is not new.

We have built communities with the same 20-foot wide alleyway cross-section with the 18-foot driveways, and they function well.

Now you're not going to fit an F-250 with a long bed, but we don't design our projects for that buyer, candidly.

If an if if somebody wants to be able to park their F-250 with a long bed in their driveway, this isn't the project for them.

That's fine.

Nothing requires us to design to that standard.

But we do fit the majority of cars with an 18-foot driveway.

And if we could pull back up that image, Jen, that shows the private alleyways with the driveways next to it.

Keep in mind, let's see.

Oh, now there's so many pictures, I'm not sure where where it was.

But you not only have the 20-foot wide, there we go.

The 20-foot wide alley, you have the 18-foot driveways there.

So it does there is more room for backing out and pulling in.

It's not just in a 20-foot alleyway right up against buildings.

You've got the driveways there to provide additional space.

Please.

You're saying that's a 20-foot those private lanes or 20 feet wide.

The total cross-section of that lane is 20 feet wide.

And then 18 on each side for the driveway.

On either side.

So I mean, I'm happy to address the the various questions, but I think we need to keep in mind what we were trying to accomplish when this project was approved.

And I can tell you, I guess the best way to look at this project is that it's like a puzzle.

You've got the land, the zoning, the policy-based design objectives that we want.

That's like the picture of the puzzle on the box that we're all trying to achieve.

But some of the code requirements are pieces that don't fit, they don't work.

And so we're asking for exemptions from those code requirements to allow those pieces of the puzzle to come together.

And if you stay rigid on some of those code requirements, the puzzle doesn't come together.

We literally lose significant density.

The moment you say we want a 26-foot wide cross-section here.

It doesn't work.

We have analyzed this from every engineering angle.

And what you see is our best effort to meet the density that was approved and still provide a project that has open space, pedestrian trail connectivity, a product mix, and a functional livable community.

I can promise you this is much better than a 40 unit per acre apartment project.

I just you have to understand that what you're saying to us brings us back to that moment where we're being told we have no choice but to approve this.

And now you're wanting variances on things that we do have some control over, right?

Like we would not be approving station area plans if we did not have to, right?

So we both, you and the council want this to be as good as it possibly can be.

We really do.

And so having some concerns, I think is very normal because some of this was forced upon us.

So we're doing our very best to address those concerns.

So it is livable.

I agree with you.

I guess I would say what what would you change and still give us the minimum of 25 units an acre?

I mean, you you're welcome to lower that if you want.

None of us are gonna say no.

Hey, I'm okay with 15.

Yeah, I mean, can I go back to the sellers and ask them to lower the price?

They had us pay for the land, because that's the same position we're in.

Well, I mean, there are a lot of people.

We bought the land after you approved the zoning with the vested density.

That's my point.

There are a lot of elements of this that I really like.

I really want Draper to have more um housing that feels like a community and not just housing.

So I love a lot of the amenities that you have, and I understand that that it's a trade-off.

You could instead of having amenities put more housing in.

Right.

I would rather have the amenities than the housing, quite frankly, just because I want people to stay here.

These can be forever homes for people, they don't have to be a temporary place to live.

Um, but along with that, I want it to feel I want you know, I I guess for me, I it's a lot about the feeling that people have when they walk through here and that they're living here.

Um, and I do I I appreciate that the clarification from you know, Jen as well that in our city code we don't have anything that addresses you know 25 units per acre standards really per how for housing.

Um so I think that that was helpful.

I yeah, and I I think I share some of the concerns about the variances, but I appreciate um I definitely was I wasn't on the council then, but I was when I came like the the 40 units per acre just felt overwhelming for this area, so I definitely am happy about keeping it at a lower density than the state requires for the transit-oriented development.

So I appreciate what you're doing, and I like this much better than a bunch of only four-story condo buildings.

Um that really is the alternative.

Yeah, I like this mixed use.

I like the community feeling like she's talking about.

I think that because maybe we don't have a precedent really in our community that we like the feel that we like that that you know that that 18-foot driveway feels short, even though maybe it's not for a development like this.

So I think so of the concern.

As far as the livability, um, I I wanted to point out that on our condominiums, every condominium unit has at least three bedrooms.

And and the reason I think that's important is that you talk about having families that are stable, a stable community.

There's not going to be a condominium unit that's less than 1200 square feet.

That might sound small to a lot of people, but there are so many condominiums units that are 600, 700 square feet, one or two bedrooms max.

We're providing housing that families can actually stay in for a while while they have some children.

That's what helps with the sustainability being a stable community.

And I I won't, you know, I still have to say we've made very serious commitments about this being an owner-occupied project.

We can't sell to institutional investors.

We're providing 30 price restricted units to school teachers, city employees, first responders.

There are some really good benefits to the community from what we've already negotiated with the city.

We're proud of this product, and I believe you will be too once you see how well it's built out.

Yeah, I think that's a big concern is that we want this to represent Draper well, and it is different from anything that I think we've seen before.

Sure.

So we want to make sure that it's done done well, done right.

Thank you.

Any further questions for me?

Can I ask Jen a question?

Um, just on those alleyways, I was just looking at the slides, and they're asking for alleys at 20 feet, and the code requires a minimum of 26.

Is that a separate code for alleyways, or is it we don't have a separate thing for streets and alleyways, and so they're asking for a variance from a regular street to create an alleyway.

Yeah, so the multifamily code um has a standard for alleyways, and that's the 26.

Um, what it doesn't have is a set standard for street widths um for multifamily, typically with those we're looking at fire coat, not the zoning code.

Um, so they so like I said, they're proposing 27 foot wide streets throughout and then 20 foot wide alleys.

Okay, and I would assume the 27 foot wide streets are meet fire codes.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

widths um for um multifamily typically with those we're looking at fire code not the zoning code um so they so like i said they're proposing 27 foot wide streets throughout and then 20 foot wide alleys okay and i would assume the 27 foot wide streets are meet fire code yes yeah yeah and Clint this is all okay with your guys you're confident in your access your turnaround points yeah this has all been reviewed by our fire marshal and in terms of access and uh and turnarounds it meets fire code okay Jen were the main concerns that were voiced in planning commission were they addressed in the changes that were made since yes and are those the same concerns that planning staff had yes so the planning commission sorry this mouse is little uh okay I won't touch it um item two on this um those three items were staff recommended uh recommendations to planning commission that they included in their their recommendation to you the first item there was a recommendation from the planning commission directly so all four of these have been addressed by by the applicant um so that's just that planning staff is now okay with it yes okay so the reality is we have the densities already set I mean we're that's not gonna adjust so we have a choice whether we decide to push for 26 foot alleyways and then we're gonna have four story buildings throughout and not have a development that's gonna be more fits better where you're gonna have townhomes and things like that where it can be a little more diverse so that that's part of the give and take that we have that the density isn't gonna change right so I think those are things that we have to consider when we when we look at this because I do like the mix of the townhomes with this that was an important thing to us and to have the three story four story so it wasn't just one big tall development I do like the trail access too I think that's important that the whole public will have access which is great.

I share your concerns Bryn too but I think for me that's a just a trade-off that we have to face I guess maybe to keep it diverse with the townhomes and having three and four story I don't know that that's what my conclude conclusion is so Mr.

Mayor I'll make a motion that we approve ordinance 1708 motion by Mr Lowry to approve 17 ordinance 1708 is there a second do we need to add in these proposed changes um I I would make your I I would include them in your motion um I do have the updated development agreement with that language and Nicole has that um but that wasn't what went out in the packet so I would include these changes I'll amend that the motion to include the proposed changes that Jen provided in our report all right motion by Mr.

Lowry to uh approve the development agreement with the changes that are in the reports are second I'll second all right second by Ms.

Dallin is there any further discussion on this item all right hearing none Mr.

Lowry how do you vote?

Yes Lowry how do you vote?

Yes Ms.

Johnson how do you vote?

Yes approved unanimously four to zero next item is item 5C it's also a public hearing it's ordinance 1709 ordinance 1710 and ordinance and ordinance 1711 an ordinance amending the official land use map of draper city and ordinance amending the official zoning map of draper city and an ordinance approving the Fratto farms development agreement for approximately 2.03 acres of property located at 791 east 12200 south known as the Fratto Farms land use map amendment zoning map amendment and development agreement staff report by Nick Whitaker Nick go ahead sir thank you so yes this is the Fratto Farms development agreement land use map amendment and zoning map amendment request the applicant Troy Dana is here with us this evening here's the vicinity map of the subject property here's an aerial map uh right there on the corner of 800 east and 1220 south and land use map um it's land use is currently uh a residential medium density and as you can see to the west it changes to um neighborhood commercial and to the uh uh south as well here's a zoning map uh it's RA2 currently and as you can see um to the south and the west there is commercial property

And land use map.

Its land use is currently a residential medium density.

And as you can see to the west, it changes to neighborhood commercial.

And to the south as well.

Here's a zoning map.

It's RA2 currently.

And as you can see to the south and the west, there is commercial property or commercial zoned property.

The applicant is requesting a change to the land use map, changing it to or from residential medium density to residential high density.

So here's a chart showing the residential medium density and the residential high density from the city's general plan.

The main reason behind this is to increase the density and have a compatible zoning.

So as I mentioned earlier, 24 would be by right if it were allowed to be our R and two.

So 15 detached single family homes.

Each lot is limited to one detached single-family home.

The building height is limited to 35 feet from existing grade to peak of roof.

Now that's different from what is allowed per city ordinance.

Per city ordinance, it allows up to 35 feet to the midpoint of the uh roof.

So technically you can get a little bit higher.

This would cap it at 35 feet.

Each lot has front, rear, and side yard areas, incorporates walkability and pedestrian design.

The developer provides sidewalk, curb, gutter, park strip, and street trees along both 800 east and 1220 south.

The design standards includes design standards that will not close off the development from the community, which includes facing some of the lots toward 800 east.

Some of the uh I mean most of this comes to comes down to front setbacks being reduced by about five feet, um, as well as allowing a few of the lots along 800 east to have driveways that are 15 feet in length.

Here's a master plan that shows that.

Um as you can see, lot 10 and 11, and uh the developer has it, uh the future lot 15 would face 800 east.

And no, there wouldn't be a wall going around the uh the development.

It would be open, continuous with the existing uh residential structures in the area.

Um, as you can see as well, uh a sidewalk and park strip is included.

Um there currently is not any sidewalk, so this will be a good improvement to the uh neighborhood by allowing that the feature of a sidewalk to increase the walkability as well as putting some pedestrian features within the development to allow uh convenient access to the park as well as sidewalks uh through the the um proposed street to help illustrate um what this could look like.

Um I've gone through and uh provided a little bit of a study on some of the existing similar development development agreements uh in the city.

So here's weed and preserve.

Uh this is just a uh a Google Google uh Earth screenshot here.

Um the minimum building height is 20 or for in this development is 24 feet in height, the maximum building height is 29 feet in height, and the average is 26 feet in height.

The total development acreage is 4.25 acres.

Another one is Rockwell subdivision.

Again, the the building height is there on the slide in the development anchorage.

Um it does allow for uh set front setbacks that aren't uh aren't as um as common in the uh in in many residential areas, um, but they are able to pull this off through design.

Another is uh Draper Crossing at Kimball's Lane.

Um you can see these are all smaller lots that are able to pull off uh density in a way that uh that keeps a residential characteristic while allowing for small you know smaller lot sizes.

Erasmus and farms, uh it's another uh development agreement that also maximizes the amount of existing space to uh refer through um using smaller lots, but uh designing it in a way that still makes it feel as though it is uh larger and walkable.

Um just some numbers at a glance here.

Um that first chart uh is setbacks.

Um those are all front setbacks as you can see 20 between 20 and 10 is common in uh in these developments that are similar to what Mr.

Dana is um proposing.

The rear setbacks I mean, really 15 and 10.

Um you'll see some other uh uh setbacks there.

Um that's specific to lots.

Um I did find this to be a creative solution, however, to some of the front setbacks of some of these smaller developments.

Um the front setback from the garage.

Uh as you can see, if you have a 10-foot setback from the house, uh you they would allow that, it would allow the 10-foot setback as long as you set the the garage back 20 feet, so it doesn't make the garage the focal feature, it gives the neighborhood, it gives it that neighborhood feel while allowing adequate space to to park any number of large vehicles, and then building height.

Um again, this is just kind of a summary of what I just spoke about.

Um here's a site photo of the subject property.

Uh it's from 800 east.

That's from 1220 south, and that's what the property looked like in 2025.

Uh the planning commission forwarded a negative recommendation with 401 vote.

The basis of that recommendation was one that the proposed park is not a permanent park, and that the agreement needs to provide assurance that it will be permanent.

Uh, at this time, the the agreement um does make it clear that it is not a permanent park.

Two, that the driveway lengths on lots 10, 11, and 15 are only 15 feet in length and encroaches five feet into the public right-of-way to meet the required uh 20 feet in length.

Um this is another issue, too, as the sidewalks are part of the amenity provided by the developer.

However, if hypothetically, if a vehicle is in you know, parked on the sidewalk is it's not much of a an amenity at that point.

Uh number three, that the number of lots would be better at 12.

And number four, that the development agreement doesn't meet criteria four found in DCMC 9520.

And that's that's related to amenities.

And that's uh the end of my presentation.

I'd be happy to take any questions.

Questions.

Um, I I thought those comparisons of other communities was super helpful.

Thank you so much.

I wondered um, do you have any idea or do you have in your stuff there?

I didn't see the size of those lots, the square footage of the weed and preserve.

Like that seems to be sort of a similar type of feel.

How big are those lots?

Do you know?

Sure, I didn't put it in the presentation, but I do have a spreadsheet with me that does have that information.

Awesome.

I would love it.

Um, so let's see.

The uh I'm sorry, you'll have to bear with me as I find those numbers here.

You know what?

The sh the I apologize.

The the page that I printed does not have the lot size, the total lot size.

Um, I will show you Nick.

I I have I pulled up the plot.

Oh, perfect.

Um looks like the lots in Wheatham Preserve are anywhere from 4,076 square feet to um 5,400 square feet.

Thanks.

And that seems like from Fratto Farms, I think from that that's sort of similar range.

Is that right?

Yeah.

Um here's uh here on the master plan.

You can see um the proposed lot size for each each lot.

That's helpful.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

No, I think my questions will be with the applicant.

Thank you, Nick.

Good work.

Thank you.

All right, this is a public hearing.

Um I guess we could do the applicant first.

Do you want to listen to the public hearing?

Do you want to come up now?

However, you want to do it.

All right.

So we'll do the public hearing first.

Um this is a public hearing on ordinance 1709 and ordinance 1710 and ordinance 1711.

If you would like to you want you want to talk now?

Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm saying it'll it might help to clear up a few things maybe for the case.

Use your name and address go ahead.

Okay, Troy Dana.

Um the developer.

Thanks, Nick.

Um couple things that clarify address.

Oh, and my address is 1516 Cherry Creek Lane.

I'm resident of Draper almost 30 years.

Uh a couple things to clarify the driveways, first of all, that was one of things planning commission.

I wasn't there really to even clarify.

So if Nick and I weren't on the same page, so as you look at that, and as we kind of found tried to find a way to bump the houses to make the backyards bigger, we can still have a 20-foot driveway.

The city easement there on 800 east, the curb will be where the curb is shown.

Like that road's not going to be a wider road.

So the way that that is shown right there, that's a 20-foot driveway.

Five of it is in the city um easement.

Then you have a five-foot sidewalk, and then you've got about another 20, it's like 20 feet on lot 10.

It's about 18 and a half feet on lot 11.

Um, we just thought that, hey, listen, that's a 45-foot driveway.

If we want to try to make some of the backyards between 14, 13, 11, and 10 a little bit deeper, we could do that.

Those are some of the variances that we're asking for.

So, because all the other lots in the backyards are they meet the the code requirement in that RM2, 20 feet.

20 feet's pretty decent for a backyard of a home this size.

But um, I've already done another reiteration of this.

We can make that work.

It just makes those lots 14 and 13.

You know, right now we're showing uh you know a 10-foot setback right there.

We can still have that.

So we can get rid of that.

I don't have a problem with it, or when we come in for site plan, I mean that that city easement is huge along 800 east.

Um, you know, that's basically like I said, 20 feet on lot 10.

So that's a 45-foot driveway right there.

I'm asking to put five of it in the city.

So that's that's the clarification on those.

I could I could go either way, it really, you know, it doesn't matter.

Uh lot 15.

But then that's gonna take away from the backyard, though.

Yeah, yeah.

If we can keep it at a 35-foot driveway, then the backyard could be 15 feet.

Um lot 15.

That was kind of some discussion that we had, and staff, like, hey, you know, some of them said maybe you know, get rid of the park.

But in some other discussions that we've had, I think the park, I like the park, I like the open space.

I think it's you know, it makes it for a great community, whether it's it's there or it's located somewhere in the middle.

I think we could we could move that around and do some things with that as well.

Um the other projects that Nick showed, the only one that would come close to what I might build would be Kimball's crossing.

The Ramblers, if you even want to go to that one, Jen, or no, it's right here.

Um the Kimballs crossing the next one.

Yeah, no, that one.

That would be the only thing that's even gonna come close to what we would build.

And I would say that like a loft above the garage or in the center part of my home is where we might have that like bonus room, that's it.

So I mean, I've tried to work with all the neighbors as much as we can.

Yes, there's a height restriction of 35 feet.

We could lower that down to 31 feet, but we uh in discussion with staff.

Um, I was gonna go as far as to say, well, we could do all ramblers in here.

The problem is with that bonus room.

If I understood you right, when you will go in for permit with that, it becomes a two-story.

So I think the bonus room is important for storage um for other things that would make this community good.

But again, the height is um, yeah, this is the only thing that would even come close to what we would build.

And and I still don't even that's out of date.

I mean, that's dated homes and stuff.

So other than that, I mean we're uh, you know, I've tried to do what I can do with these guys and uh and try to make it a a good deal.

I kind of feel like a tiny person when I'm looking at that density and everything that we were just discussing, you know, I think this is a great thing, and it and it is within that half mile of the track station.

So um I think I mean I can rebuttal if anything is said that's gonna come up, but we'll let you get to the public comment and then we can go from there, unless you have any questions for me right now.

Okay, thanks.

I just wanted to, Mr.

Dana, um are you willing to add a few items into your development agreement?

Okay, so the things that I would like to maybe see added are that we keep it at the 14 lots, and that 15 is guaranteed as a park.

Okay, I would like a guarantee from you that that bonus room will not be an ADU, that ADUs are not allowed in this development.

Yeah, not a problem.

And I would like to limit the total square footage of these homes to 3,000 square feet.

So we're guaranteed this smaller product that we're looking for.

Yeah, I think in talk as long as we don't count the garage with it, you never count a garage with it, right?

So livable space.

I think that's totally fine.

Um you know, the plan itself looks like even with that bonus room, like 2400 or something, 20 well, maybe 26, I can't remember, but I'll look at it.

But you're open to all of those.

I'd be open to that.

Thank you.

There's nothing there that are questions for the applicant.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Dana.

This is the public hearing.

So for the public would like to address the council on these on item 5C.

I see movement.

Come on up.

My name's Kimberley Henry.

I live at 770 East 121 South.

Like can we hear me?

Um, so 770 East 121 South, I'm one street over from the subdivision.

First, I want to say thank you for uh the the development as it stands.

This is a huge improvement from where we started a year ago at this point.

Um the concern that I still have is trying to understand the where the sidewalk is and where um the cars might come out.

So when we say the driveway goes five feet into the easement, what does that actually mean?

Because walking on the sidewalk, if there's a Ford F 250, which will likely move into this area, um, do I have to walk all the way out into the street to get back onto the sidewalk because of the easement and the way that the driveway sits.

Um definitely appreciate the work that Troy and his folks have done to get this far.

And it's exciting to actually see a community, not just a building stuck in the middle of our neighborhood.

So my biggest concern, like I said, is just that sidewalk along the way.

So I walk it every single morning with my dogs and going into the street, and with the additional traffic, that's something that I'm a little bit concerned about.

And with the park being on the corner, that would be awesome because if they added the 15th lot, there's a stop sign right there, and everybody runs the stop sign and nobody stops, and with all the traffic coming through, that would just make it impossible for that lot to get out onto the street anyway.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else like to address the council on item 5C?

Come on up, sir.

Oh, yeah.

My name's Jerry Thomas.

I live at 12183 South 800 East, which is directly wet or east of this project.

Uh this is a much better thing than we saw the very first application.

Uh one suggestion I could make for one driveway is to make lot or home 10 face north.

Uh I would like to see the park guaranteed.

And uh that's about all.

I I don't you know we've come a long way with this, and uh it's gonna be developed no matter what.

So uh I don't like all those homes that close because I've lived here for 30 years, you know, and there's not any homes that so that would be the only my only suggestion to maybe help things out.

Thank you, sir.

Anyone else we're not timing you walking up, so you're good.

Yeah, thank you.

My name is Cindy Romero.

Pull that mic right down to your mouth if you would.

Thank you.

My name is Cindy Romero.

I live on 729 East, 12200 South.

I have lived there for 35, 40 years.

Um I have six small children under 10 and living at my house.

I'm concerned about the traffic too, but the traffic study, I don't think was it's gonna bring a lot of traffic.

But um also I'm against the zone change.

The hate with what's uh in front of us, he doesn't need a zone change on that.

That just opens it up for additional things in and then new zoning that we haven't addressed.

Um as far as um he has come a long way, he has but I am still concerned with uh I think the 12 lots was a lot better.

Uh it and the easement bothers me into the the five-foot easement.

But uh when the planning and zoning came up, they recommended the 12 lots.

Um just for it, it fit into the plan better, and not all these uh adjustments and uh easements and everything like that.

That's it.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Yeah, name is Jim Duncan, and we own the property right back behind.

Here's your address, please.

Oh, one two one three eight south eight hundred east.

So we're right on the other side of homes five, six, seven, eight, and nine.

And I have talked with Troy about this a lot, and he is knows our concerns.

We are in favor of this, just opposed to say ten huge homes.

Um he's promised to keep it uh in the 28-foot height uh range or less.

Um I don't know if you just go anywhere in our backyard and you put something up there 20 feet from our property line, 28 feet is pretty high already.

Uh staring down at us.

So we appreciate his willing to kind of keep the homes in that range.

Um the concerns that were brought up on size and height are just our concerns, but we are in favor of this and appreciate city's help, and with Troy making some concessions for us, that's it.

Thank you, sir.

Anyone else?

Right, seeing no further public comment, close a public comment period.

I'll bring this back to the council.

Um, Jen, can you show us on here or whomever where this homes 10 and 11 that have this driveway question?

Where would someone walk around a car in the driveway?

Like how does this work in both forms?

In the in the current um with this current plan, uh are you are you talking about lot 10 and 11 here?

That we've been back and forth on.

Okay, so that as it would be right now, uh this it would be a 15-foot long driveway and five feet extending into the public way here.

So on that trade.

Yeah, just meaning it would be a 20-foot driveway and then a five-foot sidewalk and then another 18 feet of driveway.

So just in in my discussion with my architect, is just that city easement right there is so big that you know we could move it however you wanted to.

Now, if you don't want us in the public right-of-the-riveway there, then okay, I get it, and the plan could work, it just would probably shrink and we'd look for those variances on those backyards.

Um if you look at the sidewalk over by Jim's place, is there's a sidewalk there, Jim?

There's not okay.

So wherever that comes out is where you know, to her comment that you would want it to line up.

Um depending on where we put it.

There's room to walk around the car.

So the way I understand it to the way I'm looking at it, make sure I understand it right, is you see that dotted line that's on the grass area.

That that's the five-foot easement.

So all of the 20-foot will be west of the sidewalk.

Yeah, that's correct.

You'd still have a 20-foot driveway, so hopefully you wouldn't have to walk around it, and then the sidewalk would be there like every other subdivision that we have.

So the question and the variance is could we put part of the driveway in that city in that city easement?

Yeah.

And because the easement is so big there, and normally you would probably make a road that's 60 feet wide.

Well, in this case, you know, engineering was like, hey, yeah, that's that's where the curb's gonna go, that's how it's gonna look.

But we have this huge buffer there.

So could we use part of it?

Otherwise, those, yeah, those are 45 foot driveways on those two home.

So if I may clarify a couple of things.

Um, so eighth east, this this part of eight east is in the Draperville plot, which is you know, the the original plot for the for the city.

Road widths in the Draperville plot were 82 feet wide.

We don't need an 82-foot wide road here, but that is full, the full right-away that the city owns.

So, what this is showing is uh essentially the the roadway staying this improvement staying the same width, only getting that curb gutter park strip sidewalk.

Um then the the um property line for that right-away is five feet to the west, full falls five feet to the west of the sidewalk.

So what's proposed is a 15-foot long driveway on the private property, and then a five-foot driveway on city property connecting to the sidewalk.

Um risk would be if the city determined in the future that they did need that right-away and widened the road to the full width.

I don't think we have any plans to do that, but that could be one risk is eventually ending up with 15-foot long driveways.

But that that's that's the configuration is when Troy's talking about, you know, you've got 20-30 feet of right-away that's not road.

That's that's why, because it's in the draper plat, and we have such a wide right-away width.

We don't need to turn around a three-horsewagon team in the roadway.

Is that what you're saying?

So granted that deviation, does that allow for the slightly larger backyard to match the other homes?

Yes, it does.

Okay.

Can I clarify the other two?

The other question that and I appreciate the public comment from the residents around here.

You made the comment that home 10 face that north.

Um if you do that, then it only uh has one home facing 800 east, which one of our requests was to have homes facing 800 east, right?

So then you'd only have the one one lot.

And I don't know how that would look.

And I understand Jerry's concern, but I do I just yeah, I think it's kind of yeah, it looks worse to have just one if if that's you know where we get it fixes one issue and creates another one.

Yeah, yeah.

Uh I appreciate um the concessions or the things that Tasha said that you said that you'd agree with just going through those other I definitely think that there's a need for something like this in Draper, um, but going through those other communities.

I know when I drive through Rockwell, whichever Rockwell Estates or whatever it's called, they have um the 35 foot, and those are tall town homes.

I like what you show, and you say you're going way more for the uh other one preserve some yeah, just the rambler look or for the rambler look, yeah.

But I I think that is something I would like to see insured in the uh agreement just so that we're not ending up with again.

We've we've got a lot of that in our city already, this sort of tall squished together product, and I'd like to see more of the rambler.

And and I'm fine with the bonus room option.

I guess I would assume that that would not be in everyone.

Yeah, it's probably not gonna be in everyone, um, but it does because you have a garage and then there's no other space for storage, it's just a it's a good storage area.

We just can't have it be an ADU not an ADU.

Yeah, there's never intent to to sell these as an ADU.

And these are will be owner occupied, right?

They're for sale, it's a for sale product, not for rent.

Um I think that's also really important.

Again, I I said this to the previous applicant.

I really want to see us creating communities, and I think this product um does that with the your open space, and I like your sidewalks that they all connect, and so I appreciate that.

I think this is filling a real gap we have in the draper housing market.

We just don't have a lot of 3,000 square foot homes, single family homes, and we have new young families that are looking for this product in a more affordable price range, and we have people like myself with teenagers that are gonna be out of the house soon that don't need a giant house anymore.

So I think it's gonna bring something to Draper that we need.

And I think sorry, one other thing.

I think just because it is part of the station area plan, it does actually give us some more public comment.

All right, this is ready for the council for action.

Okay.

I would like to move to approve 5C public hearing ordinance 1709, ordinance 1710, ordinance 1711.

With the understanding and placed into the development agreement that this will be a maximum of 14 lots.

It will include a park.

No ADUs will be allowed, and I would like to limit the total square footage of these homes to 3,000 square foot.

Livable space.

Livable space.

So I have a motion by Tasha to approve it with those conditions or second.

Oh second.

Second by Catherine.

Oh, Bryn.

I would just like to add to my motion that this project has really gone through thorough vetting, and I appreciate the neighborhood coming forward over and over again.

Something is going on with my phone.

But I think we've arrived at something that kind of meets in the middle.

You know, I don't know that anyone came out a huge winner, but I think we found some compromise on this, and I appreciate that dialogue.

And I I respect that it happened in a healthy way because I think that reflects who we are here in Draper, that we can talk about hard things and we can face changes and we can come to a good conclusion with those.

Any further discussion?

All right, Tasha, how do you vote?

Yes.

Yes, Fred.

Yes, Catherine.

Yes.

I'm approved unanimously four to zero.

That takes us to item number six, unless there are other items that anyone wants to bring up in council manager type.

I have something.

Jen over here.

I have something for you.

Man, I gotta get my hearing check more.

Sorry, I'll I think Brenn's a ventriloquist.

She throws her voice over here.

Um at the beginning of the year, I let's see.

I don't know if it's open.

At the beginning of the year, I had uh presented on an encroachment on third east and pioneer.

Um kind of went over some possible um options to bring the property owner into compliance.

Um you guys had uh gone with the third option of uh allowing uh landscaping irrigation to remain subject to a maintenance and liability agreement, but removing um the wall that that they had installed to remind you what that wall looks like.

That's that's the wall.

The uh adjacent property owner who did the improvements is asking for reconsideration to keep the wall, um, wanting to know if you're interested in that.

Um, I do have a letter I can send to you guys that he submitted.

Um we are working through the uh liability and maintenance agreement with him for the landscaping irrigation.

He has stated he's perfectly fine entering into an agreement with the city on that, um, but would like to see if you're interested in reconsideration of the wall.

What do you all want to do with that?

Jen, can you remind us why you recommended removal of the wall?

I think it could potentially be an enforcement issue with um people placing you know temporary signs on it, things things like that.

Does create a buffer for all those utilities behind it, doesn't it?

A little bit.

I think Jen brings up an important issue.

Is this we need Kelly weigh in on this and she's filling in for mic?

I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

Um, I'm wondering is the sign so the sign I I remember the discussion from before, but is that sign that is on city property, right?

The one that's in these pictures?

Yes.

Um has that been removed?

Yes, it has.

I think it does kind of set a precedent of allowing a construction on city property that we might not want set.

Okay.

Do you want the wall down?

I think it probably should come down because then I think other people are gonna feel like they can build walls.

Wall down maintenance and liability agreement still good.

Looks like all of them.

Okay, okay.

Thank you.

Anything else from anybody else?

If not, is there a motion to adjourn?

So moved.

Motion by Tasha to adjourn second.

Second.

Second by Fred.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Are there any opposed?

We are adjourned.