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Morning, everyone.

Welcome to the Draper Tree committee meeting.

Those in attendance are myself, David Crowd.

Oh, I'm Jeff Tree White.

Laura Walker.

David Switchy.

David Parker.

Marianne Hickering.

Brent Williams.

Jocelyn Kessler.

Chris McGraw.

Michelle Coker.

Bring Johnson.

Thanks.

Um first order of business as always is the approval of the previous meeting minutes.

There's any questions or concerns.

No?

My motion to go for great.

Thank you.

Okay.

All right.

It's approved.

Uh Taylor, I did not put on your uh agenda item for us to um put forward a name and approve them to be a taking notes, whatever we want to call but call that position.

Okay.

Can we do that?

Uh if it's by motion, yeah.

Yeah, I'm saying as long as it's only not on the agenda.

So uh I put that out to the group and um we've had a response with Josie Taver said that she would like to do that.

She's not here today, but she'll be here next month.

So if we would put that forward and yeah, all those uh in favor, say I'm keeping opposed.

Okay, thanks.

So she'll start taking the notes uh starting next month.

Um and then for the agenda items, what we've been doing in the past is the committee has just put forward different things.

We had uh a section for the city to put forward any items that they had, like Dylan, um and then uh was the rest of the agenda items were just basically generated by what the the tree committee thought we should be trying to do.

Uh but they really were based on you know either projects we had or desires we had at least from the the past, we wanted to make sure that they matched with the the duties that we actually have as a tree committee.

So if you remember last month, uh Rep ran through those quickly.

Um Michelle and I also went through them together and looked and see how we're really doing against those those uh duties and see if our actions and efforts align with those, and then we met with Brand and went through those together as well, talked and gave ourselves kind of a grade on you know how we were doing different ones.

So we thought we'd drive the agenda that way.

Um at least we'll try that, and if it doesn't work great, we'll try something else, but we'll we'll try that for now.

So the uh first tree community duty was listed there.

Um is actually sorry, I it's A B and A and B are together in the first one.

So a plan for inventory of existing trees and then plans for various public areas.

So uh plan for inventory of existing trees.

We've talked about that in the past, but it just hasn't Taylor been uh a thing that has had priority resources in budget, right?

Which is meant it wasn't priority.

Uh so that's something we're supposed to be doing as a tree committee.

Is that something that we should be doing as a tree committee?

Or is it just you know in concert with the new arborist, or what are your thoughts, Brian, or or um Taylor to kind of give us direction in that area?

We have a tree inventory.

We talked about it a little bit before, it's a little bit out of date since we haven't had anybody maintaining it, right?

I attempted to pull it up today and I locked myself out.

So I was gonna show and show you guys what it was, and I have the password saved in my office and just tried to log in here and got locked out.

So once I access again, I can go over that with you.

But uh essentially it just has a mark of where existing trees are.

When you click on it, it has the all the information about the tree, the species, the size, the health, condition, swaps to put notes as well as like what he did, what it needs, stuff like that on it.

Um we have marks on there for where trees have been and have been removed, and so like a spot available for planting, so we can track what the needs are in each park that way.

Um you just address what I was gonna decide to jump in on that.

But that was gonna say is we probably should talk about what is the objective, right, of doing this, what's the purpose?

If it's uh ends up being a just a um administrative task that takes a lot of time, right?

Right.

So uh from what you just described for me, one of the most important things is to hear that where are spots where you need to plant trees that need to be replaced or uh have particular issues, but opening to the group.

What is this something that's important?

Because one of the purposes of discussing the duties in this way is that city council said let's go back and take a fresh look at which can be the students, and so if there's ever a time for us to say that's not appropriate anymore, or hey, we need to add this, this is the time probably to do it.

And so if there's ever a time for us to say that's not appropriate anymore, or hey, we need to add this, this is the time probably to do it.

Um so let's put that out there for this way.

My question is um if you're inputting all this data, how is it assisting you in managing your crews to like know like the scheduling and to keep like that proactivity part of it?

Does it have that element in it?

Uh it's still new enough that I'm not sure.

I haven't gotten that in depth with it yet.

And our former arborist is he never got in and actually made any updates to anything he did.

Like I know we burned over a thousand trees, but none of them got noted in the inventory.

Right, right.

So it wasn't that's what I would like to know, like is it user-friendly and is it helping you guys be proactive, that element, making it easier on you guys.

We're still learning it, so I'm not a hundred percent sure on it yet.

Yeah, okay.

So that's yeah.

Yeah.

Who who who would actually really do that?

It's on our duty, but the reality is the tree can make it do much for that other than you know, of course, to make sure that we're talking about the uh the results of it, what we can use it before the other means that are our duties.

I think it's probably the tool for that.

Um is it Logan, right?

Logan's.

If it was logged.

Wait, Logan moved to Provo and is uh now an arbitrary proposal city.

Oh, the guy we just hired?

I heard you mentioned our former arborists.

And I hope you're referring to someone else too.

Yeah.

Okay.

So that position is open, right?

All right.

So that answered my question.

So it is something that we would see the arbor is striking.

Yeah.

Just theoretically, I mean, as I look at trees and the health of many trees, like say bookmark when I was there yesterday, there are many that should be replaced or not helping doing poorly, and we'll never recover.

And that maybe is a note that an arborist needs to make as well.

Because they there should be some kind of a plan to replace trees.

Yeah, great.

Um here.

So uh that's uh that position's open.

Any I don't know how long it's been open, any uh lead any uh applications that we've promising or some applications, we've got some interviews, we have another interview today.

Yeah, okay.

Is I don't I have no idea what Logan's you know uh experience was or anything, but do is the budget enough that we'll be able to get an experienced arborist?

Hopefully, yeah, that's um it is open as a tech three position, so it's the highest in the parks.

Yep.

Oh, that's good.

So I think that was the goal with it was to be able to get an experienced arborist with their sound.

Same as the last time, nothing's changed in the last room.

Just hopefully get one that sticks this time, right?

Pretty much.

Okay.

Um so I guess the the result of this conversation I'd say is we all think that is then good for us to do the plan.

We went in further assess the software, we need to hire an arborist and then we'll use that as a tool, correct?

Yes.

Um when we talk about the inventory of trees, this has been the hot topic, you know, I think the last few months is what is city property, what's not city property.

So maybe we'll look to you, Mary.

Because when you talk about street trees, since that is city right of way, I'm assuming that our uh inventory would include those trees in park strips.

Meaning it it may be on major furrow fairs anyway, like 13 piece, 138 trees that we that we planted.

Um I'm not talking about residential neighborhoods, but is that would that be part of the inventory?

We think Taylor.

So if we don't maintain it, we aren't tracking it.

So if it's a park strip in front of commercial buildings, that's maintained by the adjacent property.

Um residential too.

Okay.

We have to maintain questions.

Or if you're thinking like 13th, where we were instrumental and helping select trees or they got it.

Exactly.

I'm thinking that it fits into the next the next tree duty, which is plans for various public areas, such as entrances to the city, city park, main transportation corridors and others.

So the main transportation corridors, that's what that means.

It's the park strips along those areas.

So it is something that's part of the tree committee duties, and thus it should be that we care about the trees on those main uh transportation corridors.

So we probably need to identify what we mean by the main transportation corridors, but I would think that would be things like 1008 south or two east Highland Drive, you know, 120 degrees south, any of these main places that wouldn't reflect you know the city.

We want to make sure that those are included in the inventory in the management exactly that is what you're saying.

Yeah, yeah.

So the last art was didn't do it.

Oh, geez, all this trees along you know, coming in from Sandy into sub into uh draper look horrible along 13 feet, but well, that's really not us.

But it is we tell them that the we have codes that say they have to plant those trees, they have to take care of those trees, and that we actually planted a lot of those trees, and then to say afterwards, well, technicality means that maybe we don't really responsible for that to make sure that it looks beautiful for our city.

Um so it does fit, it does specifically say that in the tree duties.

I don't is anyone recommend we change that?

I want I don't I want to keep that Taylor Maria, would you go forwards with that change, or we need to keep that in there?

It's gonna be hard to do it street by street.

It's easier if it's the same for everybody for enforcement, because enforcement's not gonna know oh the city's supposed to be doing this area, residents or the property owners do it here.

I guess it's probably a question for city council, since I think these tree duties uh essentially came from there, but we could say can we define what those main transportation corridors are being written?

Yeah, I mean I'm just if you can open up pass everything on and um pass on the promo managers and got those you can so you're leaning towards like recommending that it expands to I know that walgens has been like a good example, like to the park strip in front of Walgreens, which is typically cared for by the property owner, but because it's a main corridor's what's ironic if if if someone complains, I understand if someone complains about how bad they look, then we go in force if they actually take care of it.

But it is one of the main corridors, so we do actually care, yes, we do have responsibility, we are supposed to enforce it, so why wouldn't we just be proactive?

The whole idea of the tree we just talked about with the software in the tree inventory is that we proactive in making the city's streets a valued asset, and the whole idea of then of that purpose was to say let's see where we're responsible for it, and main corridors is one of those, so unless city council wants to take that out, then we actually do need to define what main corridors means.

Okay.

So that's for city council.

So perfect.

And Brian, it might be helpful to base that on the road classification.

That's the easiest way for us to understand the two.

And what is what what does that mean?

Like major arterial collector.

That's how engineering in our general plan also has all that mapped out, and so that would be the way to tie it together.

Keep the definition things.

Yeah, correct.

It would be very difficult for the city arborist to try to maintain an inventory on trees that are not stuff that we maintain because he's not gonna be going in on yeah, yeah, stuff something is not city maintained, and say, hey, let's do an air spade because this isn't really compacted.

Let's do the major renovations on this supposed to be maintained by private property.

Right stuff.

I agree.

Yeah, city maintained park strips, like just in city parks, we've got over 5,000 trees.

Oh, yeah.

Just a little bit.

I wonder if there is since it's uh again part of the tree community because if we can help in that, if we actually just let him get help with the inventory for those five main routes or something, I don't know.

Um you mean for the trees that are not maintained by city?

Right.

Because none of the main corridors are maintained by the city, that's by definition.

So the common I'd say to me it makes sense to have in on the main corridors the trees that are maintained by city in city inventory.

If there's main corridors, trees that are not maintained by city, like the Walgreens ones, I would say those are not included in our inventory because they're not city property.

However, I think it's up to city council to decide like do we want to prioritize the enforcement of property owners maintaining main corridor of trees, like a priority on major arterial or whatever you call it, you know, the classification of these major thoroughfares, maybe on those streets, we don't necessarily have it in our inventory because if our city's not maintaining, however, there's you know we supplement by prioritizing the enforcement of private property owners to to cover that because yeah, it's it's hard if that enforcement element is not there, I think our city's gonna be spinning our wheels because the property owners don't care.

And if and once we step in and start like holding their hand and taking care, property owners are gonna step back even further and say, Well, the city took care of it.

I don't I don't need to.

I I think it's important to hold them responsible for their property.

A question from the new guide how does inform how does enforcement happen.

Well, for it's a complaint basis and it goes through code enforcement and the wall reads it took what six months to even contact the right person in Illinois to deal with it.

More specifically who does the enforcement our code enforcement officer.

Okay.

Yeah.

And he's complaint basis only.

So I make a complaint and the officer goes in.

You're right.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But that person is covering all code.

Everything's got any violations, illegal structures, everything.

And one person for the one person.

Yeah.

Feels like a lot.

Yeah.

Trees are at the bottom.

Yeah, I feel like a lot.

Not necessarily.

I mean, he's helped us a lot with tree ordinance issues as well.

It's just when we have 60,000 residents almost now, it's it takes a lot for one person to take care of.

Yeah.

I'm saying to expect them to proactively go and check main arteries and it's not gonna be like 20.

Hey, this is a violation of the stop.

No, but the question is whether an arborist fed.

I mean, we're talking like five, you know, corridors throughout the city.

Our arborist won't have any enforcement authority.

No, no, I'm no artist in terms of actually looking to see.

Well, we gotta step back.

I think we're getting we we always get stuck into the weeds of exactly how and what they have.

We need to start with what are our objectives.

What are the purpose of having the tree release in the first place?

If the purpose is, why did we put in there for the main camp court corridor, trade main transportation corridors and others in terms of the beautification?

If we actually that's the goal is the beautification, but then we say we actually have no responsibility, we're not gonna do anything proactively, we don't have any power and resources, then we should just take it out because we we're really truly not trying to achieve the objective.

Right?

Yeah, I I don't think it has anything to do with enforcement, it's all about being aware and documenting or notifying and then letting code enforcement right.

The goal is of the inventory because the set is to be proactive.

So if we're not gonna be proactive in any way, then we really change the duties or change the objectives, and that really sounds wrong to say, well, we don't we're changing duties because we don't really care about the the beauty after all.

That's the whole objective.

So if we're gonna be try to beautify the city entrances and city parks and mean transportation corridors, nothing else on any of the tree goodies, those are probably the key ones, and that's why they're listed first.

And I was worried when I created the agenda that we're never gonna get past the first two items.

And that's okay actually, because I think we we don't need to get into codes today.

But I think it is important for us to cover these first two items and figure out what we really are gonna do and what we need to go back to city council about and then determine the planting uh opportunities from that since we got to do some planting here before it gets too hot.

It seems to me that we need instruction from city council, right?

Because that's yeah, what is it they want from us?

Because if they want us to do that, then they have to make it possible.

Right, and I would I would I would change your word a little bit, just say rather than what they want to press what do they want from the city.

Right and then we're what we'll achieve that right, exactly.

Yeah, because it it really can turn into uh we don't have time and resources and we don't want them to be doing this, you know.

So it instead it it should always start with what's the objective and then how can the tree can we help cheap the objective and how can we work with the city staff to do that?

Um so I think that action here is for you know for him to go back and let's have a conversation with the city council about do we still want to be a five the city and does that include his main corridors and then getting our resired, and we we deter what uh is included in that tree inventory and we start using budget to replace trees to achieve the objective because before we get we would get budget and we felt like it was like a an exercise to okay now let's go figure out where would it cost we bat trees?

We there's lots of operations to that trees that need to be replaced, so instead just achieving the objective of having activity.

So um let's let's jump to that then if we can here as part of this uh duty.

So uh where is it do you you think maybe Taylor and the whole team we could talk about doing some planting the spring where we can replace trees?

So like you said, there's trees you notice that maybe you need to replace.

It sounds like we did we cover the budget uh with um uh twin pines, right?

And we have the ten thousand dollars from the private citizen to have ten thousand dollars for this year's budget.

And so there's plenty of opportunity we can actually just identify the choose to be replaced.

An ideal question for an arborist.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But do you have places we you want trees?

So many.

I mean we need to so many places.

Yeah, yeah.

But we're we we were just talking this morning about like splash pad could probably use 10 to 20 trees and same issue that Smithfield has though, right?

Like nothing grows at Smithfield is getting the same water.

They may or may not survive.

Uh the trees we have coming from twin pines handle the secondary water a lot better, so my plan is to put at least a handful over there.

Um we just planted six on Carl Quest, it could probably use 30 more.

But that's not one that a volunteer group could do because it's on the roadway and we're not subjecting volunteers to the hazard agreements.

Right.

That was my next question.

Was even though we know there's lots of opportunity that you'll you know about, the question is whether or not you have the resources to be able to do the trees.

And even just look at the one we did last year for over there.

We did we had sixty people show up and plant 30 trees out there that took our arborist and trails at least two hours of his week every week inspecting the trees, monitoring those 30 trees, making sure that those stayed alive, which took two hours a week builds up over the year that takes a lot of time to maintain what we put in the ground.

So we can't just say, hey, you know, we got 20,000 worth of trees, let's go plant them all.

This is great, right?

Because they'll never survive.

So even when we have an arborist, he's gonna have other does including pruning, removing the hazard trees, stuff like that.

So maintaining the ones that are planted that are in the ground will take a good portion of his time, but we gotta be careful about not just saying, hey, well let's get all these trees planted without an ability to keep them alive.

Because we will still I mean we'll lose a percentage anyways.

But so is it helpful to like physically locate them in like clusters?

Are they easier to maintain if we were to pick like five clusters instead of planting a tree everywhere?

So the the goal we started to put together with Logan was to I mean you got lots of caught up catch up to do from years of never having anybody in a position in an arborist, but essentially we'd like to break the city into sectors, quadrants or fifths or tents or something like that, and it's like, hey, every five years I'll come in here, I'll plant all you know, I'll prune all these trees again, but I don't have to touch them again for five years.

So that was the way that we would prune them.

It wasn't just uh, hey, we have a 14 foot clearance, let's get it to 14 foot and we'll be back next year and prune it to 14 foot again.

So we started to do it in a way that would start to give us more time to be able to cycle the city, cycle what's you know, like we shouldn't be pruning in Draper Park every year, right?

Like that should be a reprint of draper park every five years.

That would then give us the time to get more trees planted once we're on to that cycle, but we're still playing decades of catch up.

Would it would it help if I volunteer to watch highland drug from the arena to banter?

It's not just watching like I mean, trees need the supplemental water, they need somebody like you know, inspecting the whole branch of the tree as well, like everything on it and say, hey, this one's really starting to dry out, maybe we need to look at if the tree's settled, if it's planting to be, you know, the full arborist inspection on every tree, not just a like by area and say, hey, let you know, let's look at this, and by the time most people will notice and call, it's too late to say that.

But I do appreciate it.

I'd be willing to do it.

And it's the getting the supplemental water too, and like you're not gonna drag a hose out there and water them, you know, so it's gonna have to come out anyways and water them.

Are most of those areas just irrigated with the sprinkler sprays, like and lawn?

Yep.

So I did just purchase some gator bags, but it still has the manpower of going out, filling them up.

And then again, you want to have the manpower going out or filling them up because you want to be inspecting the tree, you want to be monitoring how it's doing.

It's not just dumping water on it, right?

Like if it needs less, we need to be known that as well.

So it's just work.

It's just taking time, you know.

Yeah.

Hey, we got these 37 trees, now we have another ten thousand dollars, let's go get another 37 trees and try to maintain 60 trees for five years and continue adding every you know, more every year to be monitoring.

But we cluster plants.

That's what you know.

We've talked about lots of times whether or not there's a way for us to have you know adopt a tree or adopt a area or something like that, you know, or meeting the tree committee or maybe on the tree committee, but it doesn't solve the problem of truly you know, doing the work once you identify some problems.

I think watering irrigation is the biggest challenge in some of these areas, you know, in I don't want to move too far ahead, but speaking of water conservation, does it make sense to convert some of these areas to bubblers and get rid of the lawn?

And then you can like control it more remotely to deep water those trees rather than oh, we can't just run sprinklers to ru to water the trees.

But now if we change the irrigation, you could actually make it appropriate for deep watering, and then would that help?

Do you think?

In a lot of ways, yes.

Okay.

It's still gonna be roots on the ground, right?

You're still gonna need somebody out there looking at it and monitoring the tree because just putting the water out is not gonna say does it does it help though to deliver the water to the tree?

So it doesn't take away any of the labor from that it is just a better way tree.

Oh so with tree planting it like the takeaway are we kind of in the same position we I mean obviously we've kind of taken a step back so we don't have the arborist anymore so we like you said when we get an arborist a great time to plant you will be here she'll replanting trees I just don't want to get into the like hey we have all this money to throw at it and then get to where we can't keep up with it like just we'll be planting trees when we find our find trees if every year we just need to be able to do it at a pace that's sustainable.

And we talk about money too uh thirty thousand sounds like a lot if we're just simply buying trees right but if you actually put it towards the whole project of if you expanded the project for example just to replace the trees going down from the sandy entrance on 13 piece to the roundabout and to remove the sod and to replace with bubblers that's a hundred thousand dollars.

So it's way more do we even have right so we we can always we can burn through money like crazy if we actually want to do removing sod and replacing bubblers and putting down mulch because it's like you know it ends up being like three portion of the cost.

Are you saying like putting our budget towards that because you could do that if we want to do a specific area and do it right and it's actually then you know contracted out and it's not as much work for you at the time or even going forward.

But it takes is it easy easier to exactly so that goes back into the goal is the objective to burn the money or is the objective to exactly to do it right.

Right.

So and there's some places where you know I think what we did with a disk golf car I mean the golf course was doing it right and we're I mean we did the data when we did before that I think in that area a lot on the along the other side I think we did good job there.

And there's certain parts where just replacing the trees that could be like and so speaking along that line of the project rem removing the turf and doing the proper bubblers if we were to contribute our budget and then we could I think we could also get a rebate the state rebate because we're removing lawn maybe in city council budget we could actually identify an area to start to do something like that.

Is there anything else on that?

I just think we just get to make sure we find clear of the next action so I said define what what the sculpt is that we look at but even if we define that we kind of say that we want to make sure that we're being proactive and we want the becation to happen in one corridors um in the meantime we can still get identified exactly where we can go plant you know this spring right and if nothing else uh we would take lose the we use the 1000 we have this year we lose it once we go to what we did the clinic pines and we you know secure future allocation but for the 10,000 for that private citizen you know he he wants to see something where it's hey I did that you know I download for that and so using that just to put to replace is not going to be the use for that 10,000 I think it's a great use for the other 2000.

But for that 10,000 we need to identify something like in in the park.

And even if it's straight park saying hey we're gonna replace these trees down that that might be a great great opportunity or in the you said in the water park you know if if we if you have the right trees that will survive there.

So I think that's really what we should talk about right now.

Is that where you would put the money the donor money?

If we were to um define take a park type scenario what we're where we put the the F the best.

Yeah.

Laura suggested Draper Park has some needs for replanting and then so do those other two parks just happen to be after part yesterday.

Where would you guys like to see it?

Um the I haven't looked at the water part but that sounds very exciting because that's a place we need shape.

It's not just you know beautification.

It's it's truly functional.

Let's do that.

Yeah that would be awesome.

There's people across the street I used to live as a permanent right the one fear I have with that is with that water how I mean we get the right trade is secondary water so let's make sure we figure out the right tree to put in there right handful of trees so that we don't lose all $1,000 worth of trees so that you doesn't go in my camera.

Exactly risky for a donor don't a donor tree project.

And again we will have somebody be able to watch maintain and monitor the trees that we haven't had in the past.

Okay so I'm not as worried about that but and it's not spread out so I want to make sure we're not trying to put maples out in a so maybe we try to do a soil sample see how the what the soil's like over there to start with and see if it's even something that's uh sustainable like maybe the trees are dying for a reason you know like so I think before we necessarily decide on that like it's a great idea and I think it'd be wonderful but let's make sure the soil's gonna actually handle it.

Because some of the trees like especially on the west side that chlorinated water runs off and runs into the grass over there so we have like a lot of those I think probably back from chlorine.

So on the east side the hillside with the water's not getting up there so that is probably from the fact that it's on a hill and all the water runs off and it doesn't have a chance to you know hit a bunch up there but do you guys do the rotator sprinklers those are all on rotors.

Okay.

It's a grass hill side for people sit and watch the kids but yeah there's no short like the the little stream spray sprinklers right the the volume ones no it's uh rotor heads because they're the it's big open space I think they're my twenties or my forties so how is the orbiter planting coded for that we can talk about that next um for that thought for a second then so on this for the I mean for that project then do we want to try to do that or we just need to go do a further assessment meeting Taylor and do you want our help with that to to in the the water park that would be great same tree in terms of like uh no in terms of yeah like getting a soil sample then look at the the situation like a recommendation of what trees would look planted there and could survive I feel like we've done a lot of the the trees we got from twin fine are like Elm what's that cypress is all I can say alt cypress same with Smith though.

Same as Smith yeah I think we were saying Zelcopa alt cypress and I can't remember anymore I know but I think all cyclists are so a soil sample.

Okay I can do the paperwork I'm not so good with the shovel and clay soil though I'm I'm happy to do it I got shovel skills I was trying to dig out a plant in my yard the other day and I'm like picking it and it's going so do we do we want to meet up there or whatever yeah yeah just send out a group email coordinate that yeah all right so uh Arbor date so we we asked uh Laura volunteer to go take a look at it yesterday so let's look at that and see what bar and speak to that so I it's it's definitely hard yeah so it's hard to tell because these trees have not leafed out yet there's a lot is that a can you tell that looks like a horse chestnut

So we we asked uh Laura Barbarn volunteer to go take a look at it yesterday.

So let's look at that and see what Lar and speak to that.

So I it's it's definitely hard.

Yeah.

So it's hard to tell because these trees have not leafed out yet.

There's a lot.

Is that a can you tell?

That looks like uh horse chestnut.

It's really not a good picture.

Yeah.

I think these are are they horse chestnuts over there?

On the on the new ones.

New ones on the yeah, right there.

Uh I don't I can't tell what they are because they're just budding out.

Anyway.

Um there's tons of trees over there, so I just want to show you this.

I think those were pretty small.

I think they're like crab apples or something.

With my highlighter and highlighted all the trees in yellow because you're okay, they're not leaved out, so it's hard to tell.

There's tons.

There's not a place for a tree over there.

Well, we were talking about doing the American elm, which would get very large.

Very large.

Oh here.

Right back in the grass area.

Yeah.

So you have trees on both sides that it will it will touch or possibly shade.

Turns into a nice shady groove.

Yeah, definitely.

That's kind of where I was picturing the elm is where Taylor's got his.

Okay.

So it would be it would be a ways away, because again, 60 foot, 70 foot spread.

Right.

We're gonna be at least 35 feet away from the actual monument.

Exactly.

So it's there in relation to the monument tied to America 250.

Yeah.

But not like in the bark over there because it's still full.

So um, I appreciate that photo because I'm looking at the dry spot in the lawn.

Right in that dry tree alive there.

Yes.

Um this is sloped.

Right here.

So one, the tech is getting much better, but this is sloped down, so this water runoff would put it right at the bottom of the hill, it'll start collecting a lot of that water.

How much space is there?

I mean, if I had it to scale, I draw a tree and we'd see, but I don't see this is Google bird, so we should have a major retool.

There you go.

Awesome.

So where are you saying like tree to tree?

Yeah.

Is there to be fair the tree you're touching at the bottom is not full size either.

No, it's not.

But those I believe with those ones crab apples too.

Where's the it's 53 feet?

So it's it's it's not roomy.

Nope.

So they would end up with the like you said, a full shady grove at full size they would all be touching in what'd you say, 90 years and 30 years.

It's a dream that's really hard to accomplish in Utah.

Yes, it is.

Yeah.

Um Thanksgiving point is that I face that all time all the time and they can't it's it's not it doesn't happen well.

There's just the resources are limited.

Yeah.

It's hard.

It's modern.

But I like the thought.

I like that a lot.

That would be a great place.

I don't know if we can use 75 spread, I don't know if there's only a bit.

I don't think it'll get I mean, how often in Utah do we ever get full size?

Those full-sized trees.

I think again in 30 years we'll probably be lucky if we're getting it in 60 foot or a 50 foot spread.

Okay, so my next question to you is the ones on that path side, the small ones there.

These ones.

What are those?

Crab apples.

Okay, so they're not gonna get very huge.

Yeah.

So I was just looking at the different varieties or the cultivars, the prospector, the um frontier.

Supposed to be only 30 feet.

It's like a smaller cultivar, but probably too small.

Yeah, that's probably too small.

Maybe the the prospector.

I pulled them up too, and I I just don't know enough of they're all new cultivars.

Cultivars I don't know.

Yeah, so that's not another.

I think Janet would show it immediately.

Yeah.

Okay.

I think that works personally.

That's great.

If it doesn't, I guess we won't be here for it.

So that's all set, planned.

Yep.

You guys order the tree, or is it already ordered?

I so uh twin pines.

He said it would be harder to get the frontier that we had asked for before.

So I said maybe try to substitute it with a variety of American elm, and we can use one of those to plant out there.

Okay.

So he has told you what he has yet.

I'm gonna call him back today and see where he stands on any of that and how many of them I can go pick up today.

Start getting ready, but it is in the works.

Okay.

Is that something with the that you're planning more than just one?

I think it was just one.

I think yeah, uh there's only room for one there, but we're gonna plant more of them around the city because in that order it was like ten of each type of tree.

Oh, this is different's order.

Yes, so we should be getting ten American elms, ten Zelcova, give or take, is the price change a little bit from when we got the quote.

So it might maybe it'll be nine of each tree or something like that.

But uh and do you have places already identified for all of those or most of them?

Okay.

Is it Draper Park or what are you gonna do?

Some at Draper Park, some at the like we're talking about the splash pad, but if we want to switch and use the donor.

The donor money for the splash pad, then I I mean there's some of the smaller ones along Coral Quest, like the Zelcova, but thinking along Carl Quest where a lot of those trees have passed passed on.

Yeah.

Um death or something.

So all of the trees on that order are great.

PI water, so I'm taking PI water spots for those because we can get most stuff to grow on our culinary water.

It's yeah, the ones with PI that's struggle.

Yeah, okay.

Alright.

And Arbor Day celebration is Friday the 24th.

Yes.

At 11.

24th of April.

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

What time is that?

That's right.

11 a.m.

Yeah.

All right.

I think we meeting on that action that item.

So we have this uh good discussion good way to cross the meet.

So uh good one.

You have a motion to meeting.

Yes.

A motion to end.

Motion to adjourn.

Okay.

Thank you very much, everybody.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.