Sometimes my laptop likes to think that I'm you're already I'm still no that I'm still connected to my other screen.

Oh and then decides not to show me show the whole thing and that's fine that's annoying I hate that when I go home like get on my career because this is the first time I've ever recorded through our system on my computer, so just in case I mess up or we have audio issues.

Um we're recording, so yeah, you could just tell me it's an emergency.

Okay, they good then okay work.

Welcome everyone to the historic preservation commission meeting.

Today is Wednesday, April 15th, and it is 6.07 p.m.

Um, we'll start with the roll call.

Um Krista Hutchison, Elizabeth Allen, Jordan Butnam, David Hayes, Wendy Atzett, Tasha Lowry, Shanticon Solus, Jennifer Tishramsky, Karina Pace.

Uh so the second item on the agenda is the approval of the previous meeting minutes.

I move that we approve the previous minutes.

Second.

Can I get a motion to approve the minutes?

Are we?

Oh sorry, all those in favor.

I okay, no opposed.

Okay.

Minutes are approved.

Okay.

The next item on the agenda is item three A, the historical society coordination.

Um I did not attend the last meeting.

That was uh Nancy.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

So um okay, so we'll have to get whatever update she has.

Yeah, next month.

No.

Um Annie did email Krista and I.

Um, she'll send out a separate email to coordinate uh another day for the inventory project tonight.

So look for that email.

Um yeah.

Okay.

Um move to the next item 3b, the Juneteenth article.

Juneteenth article has been sent to Alex.

Yay.

So he said that they would be happy to put alert a longer piece up on the website.

Nice.

And um I think that that is all basically done unless anybody has anything they would like to see added to that piece.

Um is the edition coming out.

It's May, June.

Draper forward is May June, and they would like to have the longer piece up on the website at the time that that is hitting mailboxes.

So I'm I'm getting the manuscript to him by the end of April.

Okay, cool.

Thank you for writing that.

Yeah, it's really great.

So it was the longer one, that would send it.

So the short one will go in the print.

Right.

And then there will be the longer one on the website.

I think I will probably recommend that we don't put Juneteenth in the title for the one on the website so that it's evergreen.

And it's just a business part of Draver's history.

Right.

Right, thank you.

Yeah, so the one that was submitted for uh the draper forward was the one that Wendy emailed out what last week, I think it was.

Um yeah, so good.

So that I think so.

That's good.

I um I am looking forward to getting some feedback on this.

Yeah, we may get something else.

Yeah, or sometimes you don't hear anything.

Well, I guess it was okay then no news goodness, yeah.

Okay, so item three C the walkthrough videos of the historic home.

Should we move that to next time since he's not here?

I have a minor update.

Okay.

Sure.

And I'm sorry, I'm taking over for Jason when he goes, but the three of us four advice, Jason, Nancy, myself, and Bryce got together on a video call, was introduced to him, and we'll be taking over communication with him when there needs to be.

But okay.

That's the only update that I have.

Did you guys um go talk to the um homeowners next to the theater?

Um that might have been Nancy, not me.

So I have no idea on that one.

Okay.

Next item 3D, the walking tour brochures.

Okay, so the historical society did buy us uh uh six of the of the display tracks, and so uh they just came on.

I just was able to pick them up from uh on Monday, and so uh that will should tie this over and so we can order some ourselves in July, and uh so I have made arrangements with the uh I know the uh director of the chart of the charter schools here in Draper, and um we placed a bunch uh last fall, and so she is willing to take it home another group of them to uh send out to the charter schools and uh the Drape Charter Schools.

So and I was really surprised when I came in the remodel, and so I thought, oh, our display isn't there.

I looked over and I didn't see our display, but they have uh inspired the new arrangement that they have there.

They have over here on the side where they do deposit uh your unused drugs, and they slide that on top of that while they have put our display and so and it's almost empty.

So I will see that that's repurposed real soon, and uh well that's the progress on that.

We do have the display units and uh I have arranged for a big bunch on probably about 600 of them to be dropped off of the director's office and draper.

Okay, awesome card.

Thank you.

Um three e the Native American recognition.

Right.

Are you ready to talk about Native American recognition again?

Um so last time we had this on the agenda, we had discussed leaning into the Dominguez and Escalante anniversary in the fall, because that's right when they would have been coming through.

They did not come to Spark and they did almost foreign worth as provo.

So I think that that all makes a lot of sense because everybody still feel good about that.

Yep, yeah, yeah.

Um I will share, I didn't even think about this before the meeting, but we um Utah Historical Society has created we have a Dominguez and Escalante coloring book and a whole flat standley activity with flat explorers and they're wonderful.

So those are just available for like free downloads or um so I would love us to think about if there is a way we can move some of that material outward from this group, how that might happen.

I don't really know.

Well, if they're I mean, if they're for download, I think if we're I mean, well, if we're putting together an article for the website or for the draper forward, we can include a link to their website so people can download if they want more information.

Yep, we can easily do that.

Yeah, yeah.

Um but then I would like to have like a five-minute conversation about what else we might want to do to bring kind of Native American recognition more into the community rather than just as a kind of a commemoration year type of thing.

Open well, this is I'm sending my thought boxing in.

Um so I just feel that uh a lot of people don't realize that this there is that wonderful monument out there, it's just fabulous, but nobody really knows what's there, and it's really kind of hard to get to.

And I just think that we need to have something like in Pioneer Park or someplace here, but at least mentioned the fact that there were the Native Americans were here, and that this area was a big rendezvous.

I mean, this is where they all came together, and uh when we went on that tour, it became very interesting that uh all the migration patterns of the animals too.

This is where the the a lot of the that way, right?

North Yeah, North South, and a lot of things I people don't know, but there were so many beaver out there.

Just so many other historical kinds of things, but I think just the recognition some ways that uh people know that Native Americans were here because I I've talked to people and I have no idea.

Uh I uh I serve on the board for the Draper um senior center, and uh we're going to have uh Catherine Weinstein who's did that book about the picture book about Draper, why she's going to come sometime where we don't have an exact day uh coming to Draper Senior Center to give a presentation about the history of Draper, and there's a lot of excitement about it, and I've had so many people that said that'll be so interesting because we don't know anything about the history of Draper, and that's the same way uh I mentioned about the slaves, slavery and draper, people's mouths just crawl.

They can oh no, they wouldn't have done that.

In fact, in Morehouse College in Atlanta, they just hung a picture of Joseph Smith because they said he was um even uh prior to uh Abraham Lincoln, he was against slavery.

And here in Draper, Utah we had slavery.

Here we had almost had the lynching, you know, and so people are just they're really their mouths just drops.

Oh no, slavery.

There must be some mistake here.

There wasn't slightly in Dray and Draper.

I can't wait till they get their Draper for the I know they have information again.

Again, I think it's just the same way with Native Americans.

People don't know that this was well in that monuments there in some way that we can uh steer people from the park to go out there too, or just something to uh uh just something that says, you know, the Native Americans were here.

It's like kind of like in the boondogs past eBay, like less expensive.

And the article we have up now, well, I think it's just fabulous, and uh we're getting more recognition, but we need something uh more down home, it's not sweet.

There have been any um it is there any archaeological evidence on file, like more in Draper?

Yeah, actually, we did ask that question when we did the the write-up on the monument, and um there isn't archaeological evidence in a another excavated site, like the the big one out by the parkway trail is was the big one, but you talk to people and they will say, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, farmers would turn up arrowheads and whatnot at all the time down in the dirt.

So I wasn't able to find much more documented, although there's a certain some interesting stories in like the pioneer histories that are so thin that it's hard to build something from them.

We do have the one interview uh that was one of the relatives of the sorts and who's the end one of their relatives talked about the fact that the Indians came and traded fish that they brought from the river uh for grain and they actually came up here to trade.

But uh I get Port Street area, or do you know where they would come to trade?

Um wasn't that the steward house?

Pardon me.

Wasn't the Stewart House Stewart House interview we did?

Yeah, so that's off of sixth east.

So whether it was by their house or not, I don't I don't know.

I have go ahead.

And um that really like brought it alive to me, like as a as a kid where I could like run in and out of the little buildings.

And there was a plaque, I don't think I ever bothered to read it, but um yeah, something like that.

I know that's like budget-wise, blow it out of water, so but like well, but let's talk, let's have just that open conversation about like what what do we like, then think about costs and also about like anything like this would have to be done collaboratively with tribal people in some way, like you couldn't just do it, yeah.

Um so it would be a longer term kind of project, involve a lot of conversation.

Um I know that Jason had wanted to put a kind of a big plaque up in the trail system over here, sort of where some of those drainages come together because there's a lot of icicle and hiking traffic there.

Um we had talked about maybe talking about like why a place like Draper where so much water comes down, right?

We've got all these drainages that come together in this little corner, like why would this be such a critical place?

I mean, we can just presume that this was a really important place for Native American people to live um harvest resources in a way that involves like a lot of mindful cultivation, right?

So we could do something like that.

I think he was thinking like you know the big plaques.

I think you've talked about putting some kind of a plaque over historic park, right?

There's also the fort, which is I mean, I would like to add some better interpretation around why why so many Utah communities were building forts in the 1850s and not just fall into that same old trope about you know civilization and the savages, yeah.

Um, to put it really plainly, but I think if that's something that we wanted to do, we'd have to think about how we might do that, and that isn't the same as sort of representing native people being here.

So draper used to be called Civoya, right?

And so that was the native name for Draper for and it means willow willows, which were growing all through along the creekways, right?

So we know we have that history, it has not really represented anywhere.

No, or and the connection isn't made now to your point, Tasha.

There is um Brad Perry is with the Northwestern Band of Shoshone Nation, and he's done a lot of work with Ogden to restore native people in in the Ogden area, and he did a great little YouTube with the Shippo office a year or two ago, where he's actually talking about willow habitats and why that's like such an important resource for native people and all the different things that they would do with Willow and all of the other animals and um resources that are grow where willows are.

So I think something that follows that thread could be really cool.

Really cool, yeah.

Yeah, I know they the tribes were really involved when we did the historical markers, yeah.

Um, but like you said, it took a lot of working for yeah.

Are we interested in consulting maybe with Brad Perry?

I think that would be cool.

Maybe with Forrest Kutch, who I think so Brad is Shoshone Forest dispute.

We are geographically a lot closer to youth communities, so youths were more likely probably to have been in this area, maybe than Shoshone, although you know there wasn't like a room really cool.

I think we should and say no, we're looking to try and promote this and let people know about what the use of data people want you suggest for.

Yeah, I think the more we tie it back to this area and great out that that makes it more real to people.

Oh, they were kind of out here a little bit.

People don't care as much.

But if it's like, well, where you live actually was the gathering ground for the native peoples for hundreds of years.

I actually love that point too.

Um, because like some of those like flawed stories that we have in our head are like, oh, we they lived in the mountains, you know.

We live really down to the valleys.

The valleys were empty, you know, just a lot of ways that we can complicate some of those narratives that really have stuck around for a long time, but don't really share a lot of information.

Draper looks a lot different than the rest of right.

I mean, Draper used to be very wet, right?

We had all of these ponds and creeks, even 50 years ago, Draper.

We had swimming ponds all around, but all of those rivers and canals have been moved underground, so you just don't see it as much.

But it was very lush in its day.

So it would have been a great place for trapping on okay.

So I've taken more than five minutes, but I appreciate everybody's willingness to just kind of think through this and think about directions.

We can I why don't you share that video that you found on YouTube with O'Dai?

I feel like that would be really good to like help brainstorm some more ideas.

I'd be interested in seeing it and what I talked about with the willows.

Okay, I can do that.

If we would like to invite somebody to just kind of join us for a conversation here at this meeting, which I think might be kind of nice.

Yeah, um like that's an hour consultation.

But if we wanted to do more, I think we would need to be thinking about what might that look like.

What kind of ask are we kind of expecting of this person?

Yeah, um, so that we are being really careful about what our expectations are of people that we are.

We're not able to partner like an agency to an agency would so anyway.

All right, I will share the bread party.

I have forests contact information.

So if we would like to just have some conversations in this setting, we might need to plan a chunk of time.

We can, I mean, we can talk about that.

Happy to put something on the agenda if you guys want.

I I think we would want to kind of know what we want to talk to him about.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, so we're not you know wasting his time at all or or anything like that.

When is Native American history month?

It's November, I think.

November, maybe this, yeah, would be very appropriate for Native American History Month.

It would.

I mean, that could be the goal is to get a 30 to 60 second video prepared for that talking about history of draper and native presence here, and if he would be willing to do that, like he did for the other area.

Yeah.

Will you remind me for us his last name?

It's spelled C U C H.

But I know the pair yes, and they've been very involved with the Native Americans down here.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay, next item uh three F America 250 participation.

Um so the last meeting was on April 1st, and I attended.

We spent um one of the cornerstone events is the America's potluck, and we spent a very like the most of our time kind of trying to decide what that should look like in Draper because there's health department concerns uh going into like a major potluck on a hot time in summer.

And um we kind of just went round and round for a while on that.

So uh I think we went all the way back to where we started, and um it sounds like we there's like eight, there's gonna be eight city locations.

Um and that information should be up on the website if not already.

And um there will be some type of city involvement like ice cream or bomb pops.

They're talking about like the red, white, and blue, something like that.

Um so yeah, it's July 5th.

So everybody, if you're in town, mark your calendar.

And I forgot my pen, but it's like this, and it says like little 215 draper on it.

So I don't know if I didn't know it's really cool.

Um to get the pen.

Um, they they're working on something that that I don't know if it's gone live on the website yet, but you have to like pledge to walk 2500 steps, which is kind of like a mile loop, or do 250 minutes of service, and then after you certify that you've completed that, your pen will come in the mail.

Okay, um, they were gonna do this super cool um America's birthday card, like plaque.

It's huge, like he had it so you're sitting at the end of the table.

It's like this big, and uh Mark's making like eight of them, and you can have a Sharpie and it says like a America 250 on it, and you can like sign it as a birthday card.

So that seems like that'll be pretty cool.

It'll be at all the picnic events, and I think they're gonna try and put it at Draper Days as well so they can get like Course.

Yeah.

When are they doing it once it's all signed?

Are they displaying it somewhere?

I don't think we got that far.

Yeah, I think that's the thought.

But putting it in the museum eventually.

Yeah, it would definitely yeah, fall under that.

But um, yeah, those are kind of the main things we talked about.

The next meeting is May 6th.

So where I think we'll get a little bit more into different things that are gonna be done for Draper Days for it.

So are they talking about doing like a symphony, a patriotic symphony at the amphitheater or something like that?

I think that we're gonna try and do some tie-ins with concerts that are that are happening over at the park.

Um, they're gonna put the birthday cards out for that and um like some signage, like hey, it's the 250 and like come to the parade and things like that.

So it should be fun.

Um next.

So item 3G and Draper Day's tour.

Annie emailed and said that um basically if anybody wants to organize it, please volunteer.

But if not, she'll do it.

So I didn't think we're happy to help.

If maybe we want to email her and team up together, be happy to share.

I'm sure she would be happy for help.

Yeah, I can even text her to be like you and me together.

Yeah, should like that, I'm sure.

Um, I'll do it.

I don't want any, I can't handle any organizing, but I'll show up in costume.

That part's fun.

Louie what what needs to be organized?

The route, the date.

Um yeah, the date might be set.

I think we need to decide where we're gonna where we want to do the tour.

Okay.

Um, and then ultimately decide what houses and but is the date set.

No, so we do need to look at that.

It should be running into Draper Days, I think.

Which we have been doing it, you know, that week of Draper Days.

Um I'm assuming Draper Days is 17th and 18th.

And so we did it on like the Tuesday.

Yeah, I think we've been doing this Tuesday.

So like the 14th.

Yeah.

In my mind, it makes sense to stick with the stamina quo on that.

Yeah, I think people it worked.

Maybe there's we're developing an expectation.

I think perhaps the 14th, it worked, people showed up, like just keep it the same time as last year.

Yeah, nonetheless.

I feel like last year the timing worked better than the year before.

Okay.

So whatever last year was.

It was like six to eight or something.

So we yeah, we decided to run it a little bit later because it seemed like people were showing up later.

Yeah, yeah.

People were showing up later.

Uh maybe put the time as a half hour longer or keep it the same time until people show up.

I feel like it was at the end here to eight.

That's what I said.

But like we plan on hanging out until 8 30.

Okay, yeah.

Okay.

I can I can get with uh communications and just let them know that we're looking at that day and time.

Um, and like I think ultimately the commission needs to decide where you're gonna do the tour.

Um, you know, last year it was on relation, the year before that it was on Port Street.

Is there a different street you want to do?

Um, or different area of the city.

I know um last month Nancy mentioned some of the homes there um on Kimball by camp, well, by Kimballs, but um off like ninth and eighth east and on 20th south, you know, that area, most of them were in that area.

We could look at doing something there, especially if you guys are already considering adding some of those homes to the to a walking tour online walking tour, or are going to be doing research.

So they're researching you for the tour for you know everybody's tour could be used to actually put a tour on the website.

So that's one place.

Um, we could keep it to the same location if you wanted.

I think whatever you and Annie decide would be great.

Just let us know what to research.

Yes.

That sounds great.

Awesome.

Um item three H Draper ethnic and minority history research.

Okay, so uh well, this isn't necessarily the ethnic, but I'm still going to find those bank and children.

So the bank has there were uh three children, and the wife died, and bankhead was the one that had the slaves, and but we can't find what happened to the three children, so anyway, I'm still working on that.

It's not ethnic, but I'm still determined there has to be some someplace, someplace somewhere about what happened to the bank and children.

The father lived, he he continued to live in the house and everything, but the three children just seemed to disappear.

So I'm still working on that, and I don't have a definite time, but I have talked to uh uh Ray Glad, uh the historical uh society, and he's there on Mondays, and we're going to get together.

He's probably one of the most knowledgeable people about the ethnic groups, probably in the 40s and 50s in uh Draper.

And he's told me uh that there were Mexicans, uh there were Greeks, uh there were Italians, and uh there were Japanese.

Um again, we have uh most about the Japanese, but uh so uh we are going to meet, we haven't said a definite time, but we talked about meeting again and um and trying to pick up that and do more, and they've also suggested that I come there and look at their yearbooks because uh the yearbooks uh will show a lot of the families, uh but uh we're for different ethnic groups, and at least we start to collect some some names there and do some things.

But so I don't have definite time, but I Ray had and myself have talked about meetings and uh he has some very interesting stories too.

He said uh the Mexicans tried to pass themselves off as Italians because it was a higher class, but consider higher class than the Mexican.

So it's a lot of very interesting things there, and he's very knowledgeable, and then nothing to do with uh the ethnic groups, but I'm really on the sheep in Draper and the lecture I went to the Sons of Utah Pioneers and the Professor J, what's his last name?

Ugly Buckley, and so but I'm finding that the sheep probably weren't right in Draper, but the people earned the big money from sheep that they had in the mountains and uh at different places, but so the money came from the sheep, but the sheep were right in Draperville, but they were in the surrounding hills.

And uh another contact I had there is Paul Smith and his family was very involved in sheep and I and I just had a conversation with him on Monday when I talked with uh went to pick up the display units, and uh he said yeah, that he thought mostly that they were not ever right in Draper, but the money to build those big houses on Port Street did come from she and but they weren't right here, but the Tammy's live here, and this is where they could they build their mansions from the sheep money.

So I did some research for the historic walking tour last summer, and the um I can't remember the house that I had, but um, it was the zebra house.

Um the the gentleman that lived there would go up to Montana and get sheep and put them on the train and bring them in and then herd them down Fort Street up to South Mountain where they would graze and hang out, and then the different people that I placed orders for sheep would come and get them.

I just I just like the image of like hundreds of sheep being herded down Fort Street was just like so great, but yeah, he's gonna put the sheep on the city.

Oh yeah, we sometimes do think they do that.

Yeah, sometimes we use them to take back the underground.

That's right.

You know, it's more ghost of 150.

Yeah.

Very very okay.

Next item three eye national register of historic places.

Yeah, did Amy say anything about that?

Um no, I put it on.

I just wanted to let you guys know that um the contract with Coral's been signed.

Um, so she should be getting going on that.

And hopefully we'll have those soon.

I need to reach out with her and get the actual timeline.

Um verify.

Uh and I think her her bid did have you know a timeline, but I just need to touch base with her.

But the contract is signed, so she should be working on that.

Which I know there's two homes that we've contracted with um uh uh consultant to do the late work and research to get on the national register.

Great.

That's my update on that.

Okay.

So now we need to review action items for next meeting.

Yes.

So this is what I have, and it's not in order because I've slowly just kind of been adding as we've been going.

Um I'm gonna get uh communications draper days, date and time we talked about David's gonna be filling the brochure holders and and sites.

Um David's gonna get with Ray Black.

Um Melissa and Annie are gonna work on Verday's tour.

Krista will be attending the next uh America 250 meeting when you will be getting with communications on that long form uh Juneteenth information for the website.

Sorry, I think I'm missing.

Um about the inventory.

Didn't worry, she's gonna set dates.

I might have time to help with inventory depending on the day.

Yes, she she said she'd send out an email.

Um so look for that email.

Uh in regards to that, I don't we probably should just talk to Annie, but I'd be open to maybe setting like a set day every third Monday from six to eight or something to expect it so that way we keep it moving forward.

Because right now, just like okay, we're done, and then we come to a meeting, we set a new date, and like it's very slow movie.

So good situation.

Yeah, so that is that date.

Yeah, that might be good to let Annie know, and then yeah, we can see and then uh maybe that, yeah, maybe that date works for the same people every month or you know, different people can show up.

Yeah, yeah, it would help.

Versus coordinating with the society sometimes they don't show up.

It would be helpful.

Well, that would help too.

I feel like if you we knew like it was the second Monday of every month.

Right.

So that's like always there, and then like those of us that can't come very often, you'd be like, oh, I try to nine.

Yeah, we're done cuffs.

That's fine.

Okay.

Okay.

Um adjournment.

Um, can I get a motion to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn.

Can I get a second?

Second.

All in favor?

Yep.

I alright.

Adjourned at 644.

That is such a compliment.