All right, welcome everyone.

Sorry, we're a little bit more.

First thing we need to do is have a motion to close our let's do that last.

Let's go to the other two.

Thank you.

We're gonna have a report on the traffic committee by Scott.

Go ahead, sir.

Generate some enthusiasm.

So this isn't I'm gonna say the math tends to be.

It's up at the top.

Yeah.

Yes, it's gonna be challenging.

I want to move.

All right.

I know we have at least one new council member, and some of you may not know what the traffic committee does.

So I thought I'd just talk a little bit about who the traffic committee is and what we do.

And I know there's at least two people here who sat on the traffic committee at least once.

Um three, take that three.

Uh so the traffic really I counted up the number of individuals.

We have about nine on the committee, and it is comprised of four engineers, uh our traffic are our streets manager, um, we have someone from community development, someone from police, we have our um fire marshal, and we also have someone from legal, and these are monthly meetings that we hold, and primarily what we do uh the back in the day, uh city would get traffic complaints, you know, police would get them, engineering would get them, public works would get them, uh administration would get them, you guys, you know, city council members would get them.

There really wasn't a good way to address it.

So we set up this committee to do that.

That's the that was the impetus of this committee.

And it's been about 11 years ago since we started it.

And uh it's been great.

Uh it's probably one of the most important meetings that I go to on a regular basis, I would say, because we accomplish a lot.

We take all of the complaints that we get, um, all of the recommendations, we take them seriously, and we analyze them.

Sometimes it just takes a very, very long time for us to come up with a solution.

Uh sometimes we may never come up with an adequate solution.

Probably talk about one of those today.

Um but the important thing is that we one of the things our main objective is to make Draper safer.

Um it's by the input of citizens and yourselves that we're able to analyze these different situations and determine if there is a safety issue or not.

Um sometimes our recommendations are not always the logical thing that you would expect from us.

Um you may want a flashing stop sign, and we actually do the analysis and we end up taking the stop sign out.

Um that's happened.

So uh understand that uh once we start looking at an issue, we have to look at it the right way from what we have to comply with the laws and stop signs, traffic signals, actually, any sign um has to follow uh the what's called the M U T C D manual manual on uniform traffic control devices, and it's what standardizes everything in the country.

So little pop quiz.

If you're on an interstate and it ends in a five, or you go north or south or east or west.

Typically, and if it's uh if it's an even number, it's typically use less.

So things like that, right?

They're they're um standardizations.

Um if you're on a uh I-215 typically that's gonna be uh a loop that starts off of I-15 and you come back to I I fifteen, so it's a bus typically a business route.

So there are the the standardized um this standardized methodology.

So when you're driving in Utah or New York or wherever the expectations are the same.

So one of the I'm gonna cover just a few little uh projects that we've been not necessarily projects, but situations that we've looked at for a very long time.

One is on Long Peak at APA.

This is a this is an area, yeah, and we get a lot of comments on this, um, as I'm sure all you of you do too, because it's a it's a problem area, and our priority is again safety.

So we're looking at is there something that we can do to make this safer.

We can't control the charter school, uh they're there, and they bring a lot of traffic, um, and and it really gumps things up.

Um so I can tell you right now, we've done a lot of analysis, we've done multiple studies on this, and even recently, uh trying to come up with some solutions to what we know are our existing um safety issues.

So one is as vehicles uh exit APA.

Um if there's no one here now the school they try to have someone there, but sometimes they're not there.

If they're not, um looks just take, for example, when we did counts, um a hundred over a hundred vehicles turned left out of here.

There's supposed to be no left turns.

When there is someone there, zero.

So there's there's clearly a need for P vehicles to go north, and you can't do that turning out of here.

So you're when someone is there, they turn right and then immediately they're trying to uh flip a U-turn and go north.

Um sometimes they'll turn into the businesses uh and and then go through the businesses and get back going north.

So what one of the things that we're looking at is adding uh a median in that that extends from near election road all the way up to 1150 that would prohibit those illegal U-turns and the left turns, it would force all of the traffic to this intersection, which is signalized.

Um we've also looked at is this the best place for this signal?

There's really not a lot of traffic on 1150.

Uh so we've done analysis on that.

Uh turns out that it doesn't it makes things worse if it's not there.

We've looked at adding another signal here that makes things worse.

Um so we really have analyzed this to death almost, and it's um we will keep analyzing it because it's a problem that's not gonna go away.

We'll keep trying to figure out little things that we can do.

We're we're getting I just got this report on Friday about the median, so I haven't really completely analyzed that yet, but it's looking a little promising.

So that's kind of where we're at on APA and Lone Peak Parkway.

Does anyone have any questions on this one before I move to the next one?

Yes, well, I was just gonna say, do they have a conditional use permit that includes traffic mediation like staff being there too?

Um give me a minute, I can look it up.

Um I know that they know there were they had a traffic study approved when they came in and it set certain requirements for parking and access, that kind of thing.

Um I don't think it got that in depth on having like flaggers or something.

So they were doing that voluntarily, and we have no mechanism to make that.

So the condition of the conditional use permit states that they have varied their start times between elementary post-winning.

I knew that, and we'd never enforce it.

No, it's not that we've never enforced that we haven't we didn't define by how much they had to delay their starting.

So if they delay their start lines five minutes, uh they're in compliance with the terms of their conditions.

Oh, that's a miss, okay.

So we missed our opportunity then, yeah.

Sometimes you just shrug, right?

You just shrug your shoulders and provide in time.

Yeah.

When I knocked doors off election road and all back in there, and I did it like even then when I tried to come out, like the people line up along Lone Peak forever.

Is there any I think that's probably part of your long-term problem that you discussed at Nazium, but like uh it's so horrible for those people that live in those neighborhoods.

That that's my primary concern is site visibility coming out of these neighborhoods because you get people aggravated people that get caught in this that they don't know what it is, so they're not looking for kids.

They're so finally they get out of that lane that's backed up, and they're starting to, you know, they're picking up speed, and you got someone pulling out of inauguration or election, yeah, and they can't see that car that's ticked off now.

And you know, that scenario.

Yeah, um so I don't what I would like to do is be able to uh mitigate the stacking on Lone Peak.

Yeah, I don't have a way to do that, unfortunately.

I just don't.

We have the no parking uh marked out on the on peak in front of those intersections.

So and and generally speaking, people do let them through, but they just it's a site visibility issue, and it's it's scary, it's sketchy.

Um we haven't we've been fortunate that there haven't to my knowledge there haven't been any serious accidents there.

Uh but you know it's this is a typical problem that you have with the school that we because they can come in and they don't have to they just come in and they bring all of this traffic with them and and then we're left to have to figure out how to mitigate our roads to deal with it.

And so you say that they can do staggered times, but they can be five minutes, so we don't really have any power.

Have we ever like had any sort of meeting with them and been like, okay, they need to be a half hour apart or something because this is ruining our city, even though we don't have power, but just like try to so there's doing that is has advantages and disadvantages.

The advantages is that um you're staggering it, so you would maybe have less vehicles, but also you're also now creating more trips because what happens is uh a family will come and drop all of their kids off in one vehicle, and now they have to take two or three trips to be able to drop their kids off at all those different times.

So it's hard to say how much will advantage you would get out of that versus the disadvantage, and it probably would vary it by yeah, yeah.

So there's really and because we didn't put that condition as far as the time differential in the conditions, it's really kind of too late from what I've understand, and I don't know, our attorneys could probably answer that better, but so that's that's really uh again.

We're just being kind of reactionary on this because there's we literally uh we've been looking at this since I've been here for almost 12 years now.

Wow, it stems from the fact that we couldn't make requirements on them for parking and because the charge school legislation allows them to go wherever they want to go, and we basically have to accommodate um okay.

So my questions are I know APA have been looking at trying to access whatever that road is 119.

11950.

Um I I believe that there's a problem with that there's another owner who has there is a a protection strip.

This owner over here owns a protection strip along this right away.

That um, so you have their property, you have our right-of-way, and then you have a protection strip that's owned by this property owner, and then you have this property here.

That protection strip extends from Lone Peak all the way down to this point right here.

So this was intended to be an access on the one nineteen fifty, but that because of that protection strip, that connection was never made.

Um when the charter school expanded, um they had to purchase a home right here and demolish it to be able to provide this emergency access only to to make that work because they couldn't pay us there.

So that's really that's really what that's about.

And so there's no um there's nothing the city can do to facilitate opening that access point right there on 118.

There is you could condemn it.

But we would be condemning the protection strip.

And I believe that that's been pursued or looked at in the past, but it was something that I haven't been involved with, so I don't really know.

We told the APA to see if they have condemnation powers.

They tried that and litigated it and lost and actually lost some space.

The protection strip is actually wider than original, so it's one of those be careful what you ask for it.

Does the protection strip run all the way up?

Yes, so they couldn't, even if they acquired that parcel, they could not access it.

Because it extends from our right-of-way on Lone Peak all the way down to where our right-of-way ends, which is we have never condemned property for a school, be it a district school or any other school.

I mean, it's not something they're ever done.

What about the west further, like where they're in the parking lot?

This is private.

This is the road is public to this point, then it goes private.

This is a traffic problem created solely and completely and 100% by APA.

Yeah, it's really kind of uh a I don't know better we'll term, but a feud between APA and the property owner that we don't we just really haven't gotten involved in in that aspect.

And is that kind of where we where we stand?

Because I don't know if anyone else got the email from APA, but everybody we've all seen it.

Okay, if they were to acquire this property in front, could they stack there possibly?

Yeah, they and take more traffic pressure pressure off our streets, it would take it off the streets, you'd still have the issue of obviously everybody exiting it that one spot, but at least it would take that pressure off the street.

You can snake it along.

Right, that's what I mean.

Is there anything we can do to push their hand in that way?

For example, we had to stop our traffic on maybe more ticketing or something.

Is there any rule that they can't just be parked in the middle of the road for 20 minutes?

They're so uh yeah, define parking because they're technically kind of moving and they're just very slowly.

It's not really a turn like no, there's not.

Um so they are kind of obstructing traffic, yes.

But so here's here's an interesting aspect of solving traffic problems.

You solve one problem, it just pushes it onto another, it just pushes it somewhere else.

Yeah, so whatever we I mean, a lot of these, for example, um, people come the school said, Well, we're gonna stagger the the pickup time, right?

Which they do, so they stagger it so that not everyone's arriving at the same time, but you're out running errands, you're waiting to pick up your kids.

I mean, you you pick them up when it's convenient for you, right?

So those people that have a later pickup time, they're just sitting out in these roads here waiting for that time that they can come in on the school property and pick their kids up.

So it didn't really um it it probably helps, but it didn't solve the problem because people are gonna drive when they're gonna drive, and they're picking them up at their convenience.

So that kind of leads me to my second question, which is that property that I believe is per sale.

Right, yeah, the East one.

Um, so that property would also have that protection barrier.

Whoever buys that would that would be part of their property as well.

Uh well it's it's a separate property, it's a strip of property, so it's not actually their property.

But it's it's a but they wouldn't have access on the one nineteen fifty because of that protection strip.

Whoever owns that property, this property owner owns that protection strip and has control of it, and it's there for that purpose.

Specific reason you have it to keep them off.

Yeah.

Um so if someone were to buy that property and develop it, they have to access off of the APA entrance, which is just gonna compound the problem.

But is that APA entrance not private property that their entrance?

It is, but it's part of the that empty piece is part of the subdivision, the APA's part up, so that's access, I believe, is shared with all the lots in that subdivision.

Yes.

That's that part that north of the the east.

Yes.

So they have okay, they can access that.

And then would they be able to act that um bone peak?

They wouldn't.

I mean, it just depends on we'd have to analyze who goes in, what kind of traffic volume they're gonna have, but having a access here and one in between and then this one is not advisable at all.

It would be better to do something with this access.

Well, I can't say because I don't know what kind of traffic would be generated.

I would just hope that when this property develop you know develops traffic that it's not at the same time that APA is peaking with their picks up pick up and drop offs.

But that may be too much to hope for.

Yeah.

I just don't understand why APA doesn't just buy it.

I don't think I got the email from APA.

Send it to me.

Oh, it's been a while.

They've sent an email out offering to give to donate five hundred thousand dollars to the city to in an effort to condemn the protection strip.

So I uh we do work with APA.

Um we communicate with them, we're on an annual basis.

We're talking to them about what they can do.

We're both, you know, the city and APA we're just up against these boundaries.

There's really just not a whole lot left to do.

We don't have a lot of tools in the toolbox really.

Why is that entrance kind of twisted?

What is that little piece of grass there?

Um, I'm not sure why that is the way that it is.

It's really awkward when you go in.

It may be it may have been an effort to push it a further away from this intersection.

Okay.

Um I'm really not sure.

But part of the part of the issue really can be how fast you can get vehicles in.

Uh and then there has to be enough stacking space once they get in there.

But when you have when you're stacked up all the way to 114 south, and you're you know, those vehicles have to go in pretty fast to clear that out.

And this really is not ideal to allow for that fast of a movement.

So even if there was more stacking here, there would probably still be some stacking out here just because of the time it takes to get that much traffic in because it's a right end only.

You can't turn left into the to it either.

Can't go left in, you can't go left out.

I have a question on that.

Is it possible if you cut in where that grass is?

Have a double right in only would that help?

It it may help, but the problem is um you've only got one lane here, you know, coming into it, so it what would help one probably help more is to come in and then immediately divide into two lanes so that it can go faster once they get in and not get out.

But they would have to have more space to do that because we have to have a clear fire lane.

Um we can't we can't uh jam everything up in case there's a fire.

Um it's just really a challenging problem.

But we did not create we did not create it, and but we're we're we're constantly I mean anyone who's attended these meetings knows that we've talked about APA for years and years and years.

And it's we've done a lot of things, tried a lot of things.

Um this median looks a little bit promising, it's not gonna be a solution by any means.

All it would really do is make it a little bit safer or the ill you know, stopping the illegal U turns.

It may help in that people trying to turn left is it's creating a bit of a backup uh people trying to turn left in sometimes, so it would eliminate that movement, but it would force everything to go south also, which I mean these traffic models are not perfect, but it shows some promising value by doing that.

So yeah, any other questions before we move on to the next challenging issue.

If we have time.

I'm just gonna say is that another charter charter school if I can get a mouse to go.

I was going to break this advice when they got stuck.

Channing Hall is also um where am I at?

Oh, yeah.

This mouse is really interesting.

Okay.

So Channing Hall has the same type of issue, uh, just not as big, there's not as much volume of traffic, but as you probably all know, during the peak times we get traffic backed up into the roundabout.

And that's problematic because it's a single lane roundabout.

There's really no way.

I mean, it it is a single lane.

And when you jam up a roundabout, it fails.

And if it starts wrapping around, then you it just creates a a real hazard potentially.

I mean it's not as bad as one peak, but it's it's it's an issue we would like to resolve.

So we are trying to meet with them to see if there's any way we can get uh a little more space here for some stacking to utilize this area.

Um we we can uh eliminate this left turn lane and create a right turn only lane without losing our bike lanes and without losing anything else but the left turn lane, it would be a little strange to have such a long turn right turn only, but at least if we did that um vehicles could stack in that left or right turn only and we would have another through lane next to it.

Which is what is kind of happening now.

Yeah, yeah, it is Jack.

I think it's likely it's essentially just making it what they're doing now work with the striping.

So it really isn't gonna solve a problem because that those two lanes have to terminate at this point here where there's only enough room for one lane.

Right.

So if we can if we can get more stacking on the school property, there may be enough to keep the vehicles out for the most part, maybe not all the time, but for the most part out of the roundabout, and then that solution would work.

It would still back up to the roundabout if not in the roundabout, but it would be a shorter back up.

There's no way to get two lanes on that one side of the roundabout where it's no there's just not enough room.

I mean if if you're asking me if there's a way, an engineer is always gonna find a way, but I I can find a way, but it will be costly.

Um it'll be impactful.

Yeah.

The roundabout would have to be expanded.

So any questions on that.

I think we need to put in some of that cross hatching that we have in front of APA in front of those driveways.

Do not stop here.

Yeah, yeah, do not block, do not.

Because we hear from this woman, Julie a lot about how she can't get out of her house.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And they and I have an eighth grade Archandi Hall, and it is blocked.

I mean, it's just a mess there.

Yeah.

That's one of the areas I did my own traffic study for it.

Yeah.

And it's scary.

They also fill the whole splash pad parking line.

Yeah, so there is stuff going on on the other side as well.

And actually, the splash pad has helped a fair amount in people being able to drop their kids out there, and then they walk from there.

Uh so all of that traffic without the splash pad would be winding up here too.

So that's maybe one thing we can do is try to encourage the school to encourage the parents to use that more.

Uh just to keep keep them out of the roundabout.

As long as they're out of the roundabout, and obviously these, you know, this this needs to have access, uh, then we're okay because really there's enough space.

So Chunning Hall used to do the same thing that APA used to do, where it would have parents and staff out there in the morning and they'd be running two lanes of drop off.

They actually can very tightly squeak in two lanes plus a fire access, but they have not been doing that for several years.

I don't know what's in their conditional use per minute.

Yeah, because there are also the naughty parents that then go in the fire lane.

Or just a kid walking through cars and get hit.

I'm sure that's what they're in church probably sitting.

Well, there's a sidewalk, so they there is a safe walking path for kids, not through the street.

Do these um tire schools have a community council?

I don't know.

Yeah.

School board.

Um, because I'm wondering if we could meet with them and discuss some of these, and then you know, if we're gonna kind of restripe it to kind of give some guidelines and instructions, kind of like what Tasha's saying, if they and then say you would need to have somebody out, and this is what we're we're gonna we have a contact.

Um assuming it's the right contact.

We've made a phone call, but we haven't received a callback, so we're just waiting.

Hopefully, we'll be able to meet with them soon and have that correspondence and get something to happen.

I'm happy to sit in on that meeting.

I know the pen's fall and the staff there pretty pretty well after three kids through.

When when is the end of their school year?

Is it coming out late May?

Yeah, late May.

I told Zach the other day, I'm like, I can't wait to be done.

We'll have to fight this traffic.

Oh yeah.

She's graduate.

All right.

I know we're running out of time, so I just want to show you uh real quickly.

I can get put now there.

Okay.

Pioneer Road is another area that we've had some site visibility issues, uh, particularly at um 800 east, and which is right here.

This is the new development that's gone in the past six years or so.

And uh because of that, these cars, because um turning left turning anywhere, going straight.

If you're kind of uh you don't have good site visibility right here.

So we have been planning on pushing the road over a long time, and we're prepared to do that now.

These are the uh actual plans of what that would look like.

So I have SERP um these highlighted areas in red are areas that currently don't have curved gutter or sidewalk but will have curved gutter and sidewalk when we're done.

Um this will push this new striping will push this road further to the south, which will give some additional site visibility right here.

Uh you'll still have the vehicles will still have to come out, but they'll be able to see uh better.

What what it will do by pushing it south is we're still within our right-of-way, but this curved gutter and sidewalk here is gonna eliminate the parking that they're using right here in the dirt right now, and they're not very excited about that to say the least.

We've talked to them, we've told them why we can't there's really just no way to preserve any parking over here without creating some serious site visibility issues on this side.

So I'm letting you know in advance because you're gonna probably hear about it.

If the the only option here is to do nothing, um the reason we're doing this now is because we're resurfacing pioneer um from essentially 700 east all the way to thirteenth, 1300 east.

And in the process, we're adding some storm drain and then some like we're connecting this sidewalk, and we're trying to improve the drainage and sidewalk connections on this side as well.

So this this property owner actually called and asked us to do this.

They paid a assessment in loop some years ago.

They called and wanted us to improve the roads, and that's another reason we started looking at this.

And unfortunately, by doing this, it is going to eliminate their parking.

So again, the it's already our right-of-way then.

It's our in our right-of-way.

We're not taking any property of theirs.

They they have in some landscaping in our right-of-way, but so just wanted to let you know of that.

So that's about we did analyze um Highland Drive and Rambling Road.

That does warrant for a signal at that intersection.

So we also analyze if it would be better for a roundabout there.

The answer was no.

Um so we'll be coming to you at some point.

And then future means stacks that in there too.

It'll be much safer.

So that's our traffic committee, that's what we do.

We're happy to serve you.

I think the other thing that should be said about the traffic committee is you guys doing it takes the pressure off of us because I get traffic requests all the time, and then we also get accused of making political traffic decisions.

And I'm very happy to say the traffic decisions in Dripper are not political because they're made by the traffic committee, on which no council member is allowed to sit.

I know.

And oh just find some of us.

Yeah.

Well, we appreciate your support, and uh I know a lot of the decisions that we make are hard decisions, and it's not always the popular thing.

We're not trying to make people mad, it's just what comes naturally sometimes.

So what's funny comes naturally, doesn't it?

What's funny about your decisions though is people are really mad ahead of time enduring, and then once it's done, it's solid.

Because usually it's either back to the same or it's way better.

Yeah.

Um at rambling.

What would be a time frame?

Uh well, we have to get it funded.

So we're it it could be as early as next year, but that would be the earliest.

So we'll prepare a cost uh estimate and then come to the council for some funding.

Oh you want to record a session now or water.

Let's let's uh uh water, I think this let's crank up water real quick.

Crack out the water.

Crank out the water.

I think only there will water to be cranked out.

Yes, exactly.

I I included the whole.

So I I'm gonna go over what um I I attended as well as members of the water department attended the Jordan Valley Water Conservancy District's member meeting on April 14th.

Um I just wanted to share with you some slides that they presented to us regarding uh the water supply out outlook, and then um let you know what we as a city corporate, if you will, rather than city as everybody, what what our steps will be to come you know get in uh reduce our water usage as a city entity, if you will.

Um so the water supply, I'll go through these really quick.

This this one on the left basically tells you that um there is no water in there's no snowpack really, and so everything is is red, um meaning it's I think it's I can't no legend is very small, but it it's it's dire.

Okay.

Um you compare it just to five years ago and last year.

Um the whole state is in a um extreme drought condition.

Um this just tells you that that the water that's up in the mountains has probably come down already, um earlier than normal.

Um we are looking at uh the outlook for the next couple of months is below average um precipitation and above average temperatures and those have been emailed too.

the whole state is in a um extreme drought condition um this just tells you that that the water that's up in the mountains has probably come down already um earlier than normal um we are looking at uh the outlook for the next couple of months is below average um precipitation and above average temperatures okay and and and those have been emailed too yeah um fortunately it's 131 page document but i did email it yeah yeah i saw that yeah yeah um i think these slides are on page 30 uh reservoir levels are down i mean this is all information that's really available out there that everybody think is aware of unfortunately the stream flow into the great salt lake is way behind uh what it should be um so all all these signs point to um you know uh potentially a pretty bad water year i'm probably under selling it so the jordan valley has a drought monitoring committee um where they they've got this um yeah go you talk about this yeah so we so so the the Jordan Valley's um water or excuse me drought committee um voted to peg us at that level two which is a severe water shortage and the action they're asking of all the member agencies is a 10% uh target reduction in water usage um and then there's there's you know if if things get worse then their supply allocation may get reduced um I understand that mayor ramse uh was instrumental in convincing that um some on the on the some out there were saying well we're we're at level zero there's no no issues no big deal the the the graphs and charts I showed to you earlier would indicate otherwise so they they've settled on this level two mayor please go ahead and peruccies on the board with her voted for it to be zero and Don had to work hard to get it to level two yeah there are politicians elected officials out there saying that this water things is a sham it's a it's a scare tactic it's a conspiracy it's not true but I don't think that's even rational um but to get the level two it was a real hard push for mayor ramsey she chairs that board and it took like a yeoman's effort and there was a couple of no votes one state zero what that's it again yeah there's a lot of people out there that don't believe that the lake isn't full and they can see that the lake is not actually full.

Right to get to a level two you've got to have 90 95% of your supply available from the central Utah water project and then there's other other benchmarks that that support this level too.

So what what does that mean for Draper um so they're asking all all users all the uh both the retail customers as well as the wholesale customers and we are a wholesale customer to uh reduce our consumption by uh 10% now there there won't be any penalties unless we actually go to a hundred and ten percent of our contract volume so let's say we our contract is for a hundred acre feet and we use a hundred and ten or a hundred and eleven we are there there are uh financial penalties that would be imposed um uh a 25 percent surcharge for all the water usage above that 110% threshold now I don't know that we well I'm not gonna go or anyways um so really at this point Jordan Valley is requesting a voluntary reduction use of at least 10% um level two now the the recommending watering restrictions um but they uh they don't have authority to impose those um that's something we can discuss I don't know that we're we're at that point yet um but that that's something um we may want to discuss um so here's our our water deliveries we we're at 4939 acre feet and uh 10 percent would put us down at 4445 acre feet um so this is draper water or water pro two this is this is just yeah the the draper um that we supply so this does does not include water pro there they have their own um protocols if you will um I I didn't look on their website I there I they're not water pro isn't as large and have their messaging is a little bit different if you will than Jordan Valley but I think I think they're probably in that same same they're wanting they're wanting conservation as well so you're still saying 10% but they haven't come out publicly really water probably she's looking at right now yeah right there yeah so I think they get some water too from Jordan Valley yeah so um yeah this is just the penalties here or here that that's really all the excuse me all the slides I want to show I just wanted to let you know that as staff we've we met yesterday

So you're still saying ten percent, but they haven't come out publicly really sheets that you're looking at right now.

Yeah, right there, yeah.

So I think they get some water too from Jordan Valley.

That's not much.

Yeah.

So um yeah, this is just the penalties here or here.

That's really all the excuse me, all the slides I wanted to show.

I just wanted to let you know that as staff we've we met yesterday, uh parks and rec and uh water department to talk about what we could do as a city entity to kind of set an example and um we talked about what you know the watering of of city properties and Red, I know you've got a um a a priority plan that that you've I think you've had in place for we've used it in the past.

We got already a couple months ago anticipating that we may be at this moment, yeah.

We haven't enacted it, but we haven't started watering at all because not gonna have water for another two weeks.

Right.

So yeah, so secondary's not going on until May 15th, and then it's going to be shut off September 15th, I think this year.

So it's um that'll make a big difference, at least in in the fall part of the season.

So one of the things that Jordan Valley's asking in order to hit that 10% reduction is that is that we ask people, residents in particular, to postpone their watering till May 15th.

Um if we can shorten the time that their watering starting May 15th and ending when was it?

So September 15th.

Um then that probably would meet that 10% just by doing that.

Um maybe even more.

But the the thing is we have to act kind of quickly on the messaging and when in my neighborhood already has their screen.

Yeah, because of that.

We don't, but our grass is crunchy, like it is.

So we did get a good watering at least.

So prior to that, they hadn't already got watered, it was really struggling, yeah.

Yeah.

So uh to conversation.

I was just gonna say all the businesses on 123rd have been watering plenty in the last couple of weeks.

Uh um in on South Mountain, they were watering the snow, like I don't think I mean like right.

It was very early on.

And I think that's one of the issues is people you know you you flip on the switch and the and you don't really monitor oh I could do a rain delay for the next 48 hours or something.

I mean it'd be nice to be able to encourage, especially the businesses.

I which I'm sure have landscape maintenance companies that come by on April 1st and turn the water on and then come by October 1st and turn it off and don't really give it much thought after that.

Um but Red, do you want to briefly go over what what the priority one, two, and three watering is for the city city parks and properties?

Yeah.

Pretty much view them all.

Just uh so we've set a priority one and a priority two.

And then we've also got some protocols in place for rain, rain delays.

We've got 46 properties that have uh weather track or baseline rain sensors or moisture monitors.

So that helps a lot.

I'll remind you one issue we always seem to run in and we've got let's call it a hundred or over one hundred properties where clocks are battery powered, there's no electricity, these are 200 parks, some roundabouts, you know, just various properties, street islands.

So what happens they'll get set for you know three days a week or whatever.

It starts raining on Friday at six o'clock, they're programmed to come on at seven.

It literally would take a park's tech two days to get around to turn all those off manually because they're battery powered.

And then another two days to turn get around to turn them back on once the rains ended.

So a lot of times that's when we get calls because it's after hours on a weekend and it's a lot of properties that are on battery clocks.

A lot of the ones that are on baseline and weather trap we can control from the phones, we can turn them off even on weekends.

Um they do have moisture monitors as well.

So we are fairly well in that, but there's still a lot of properties that want to remind you of that.

But we'd set it up to priority one and priority two, which would be the uh the biggest users that we need to look good.

City hall, the cemetery, the sports field parks, or the or major parks that get the most use.

They would get uh the highest amount of water, so that would be here, cemetery, galina, snowfields, draper park, um, sunkrest park, a few of those and steep mountain.

So if we've got high use parks, or especially take like Golena, you go down there right now, and there'll be 24 soccer teams an hour, there'll be 16 softball teams or across going.

If it gets too dry and there's all that traffic, they just tore up and we'll not get them back.

So they are priority to keep healthy and green.

Um where we would save a lot is the priority twos, which would be all the neighborhood parks, which would be the majority of our properties.

So I have to air Bellevue City Hall, Rapid Park Lane, Historic Park, Senior Center, Smithfield, Steep Mountain, South Forkland, Sun Press would be our priority ones.

Priority two, a coggy, fire station, Agricrest, Apple Orchard, Autumn Fields.

I don't need to read them all.

Basically, all the the neighborhood parks and the pocket parks would be priority two.

Then priority three would be park strips, which would basically be kept alive in a dormant state.

So if we get to that.

But then we have to be prepared and when we get the calls, you know, why is why are the parks a little yellow or crusty or why are the park strips looking yellow?

We need to be prepared with our company line, sort of speaking.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you, Red.

Um so I I think I think we can well that that's what we're trying to do with staff to you know reduce our watering amount.

Um I th I think we can push the mess messaging out to encourage people to follow the Jordan Valley recommendations just to when they turn on the sprinklers, that type of thing.

Um but we'll we'll keep you posted as as you know, hopefully we'll continue we'll have a coolish May.

It looks like we're still only supposed to be in the 70s next week, and so and then you know uh hopefully a cooler summer would be really helpful, but um we'll we'll keep you posted.

Um if you want to address the splash pad at all.

Oh, yeah, please do.

Well, I only asked because it could affect our hiring needs, which we're currently recruiting for right now.

But if you remember 21, when we're in this kind of same situation, we went to a four-day week, and we stayed on that for three years.

We heard all the people wanting to go back to a whole schedule.

So last year we operated seven days a week all season.

Like Mayor said, there are some of those people that think the drought's a hoax.

A lot of them.

So we hear both ways, but depending on the message we want to put out or how we want to lead out as a city.

Max.

You don't have little kids.

I say water less and keep the thing up and just get back.

I'm just saying that's how there are definitely people that for whom that's a high priority.

I mean, there is some water loss every day.

I mean, we we we recirculate the vast majority of the water.

Did get all the nolan, the water pro I ran June, July, and August, on average.

Well, this is all culinary, so not just what it takes to fill, but the restrooms, the toilets, drinking fountains, all culinary were about 5,000 gallons a day, a little over 5,000.

Which comparatively for the water that runs through there on a 10-hour day use is pretty small.

That's splashing, that's evaporation, splashing outside the channels, goes home and wet cows and what swimsuits and you know any restroom or so.

That's also flushing the filters and the the holding tanks.

It's it's not bad, it does do very good job, but it is about 5,000 gallons a day of corn.

Maybe there's something in between seven and four seems like a good idea to cut something out, but I I did do remember four it was for the people that go that was a lot of days not open.

But I love water.

Well, we had to drop before when we cut back.

We we weren't open Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and then we're open Wednesday through Saturday for those four days.

And on counts we did this in 2025, those are the three least used days out on it, please.

Sunday first, then Tuesday, and then Monday.

There's not a huge variation, but we're over three.

No, okay.

At ten, I was like, wow, that's early.

Do you have a private thanks, Red?

Do you have time to disclose as you might have to do?

On the water.

So at and I don't know who this is.

But I at the Lincoln Cities and Towns, a bunch of the people from like Lehigh and Cedar Hills and all these places we're talking about how in their city water now.

They there's like an app, and so Catherine Dolan can go and see my usage.

And they were all like comparing and like, oh, I've watered less than you and started bragging about it.

And I do feel like that's the case.

I don't know what WaterPro has.

We don't have that.

We we want to get that, but we don't have it.

But WaterPro serves about two-thirds of the city.

I don't think WaterCro has it.

I'm on water for these this last two years put in brand new multiple.

So we want to do that, but we just haven't done it yet.

Okay.

Seems like a great wait, just I think like I have too many places.

Yeah.

My husband maybe cares more about the green lawn than I do, right?

And then I could be like, hey, turn off those brinklets.

I told you.

It's good for weak detection, too.

So that's what they were talking about.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

All right, motion for a closed session to talk about litigation.

Motion by Tasha Second.

Second.

Second by Catherine.

Yes.

Brad, are you still with us?

Yes, I am.

Yes.

Thank you.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to call our meeting to order.

Welcome those of you that are here in attendance, and we'd like to start our meeting off with the Pledge of Allegiance, which will be done by Captain Evans from our police department.

Come on up, sir.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, Captain Evans.

All right.

Next, um the next item on our agenda are some oaths of office for some Draper City Police Department Master Officer.

So I'm gonna turn the time over to our police chief, Mr.

Rich Ferguson.

Go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Mayor and Council.

Um it's an honor to be with you tonight, think and uh present to you our two newest master officers.

Um since uh we were um we be we started the uh career series um about a little over a year ago we've advanced 18 of our officers through to the rank of master officer.

So tonight um Robert Barlow and Devin Sorensen, if they want to come up.

If they want to come up about each of these individuals, okay.

All right.

First is uh Master Officer Barlow.

Um Robert began his career uh December 1st, 2008 with the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office as a correctional officer.

In 2010, he joined the Lubbock, Texas Sheriff's Department also as a correctional officer, and at that time he served as a uh hostage negotiator in Lubbock, Texas with over 80 callouts, all successful, I'm told, correct?

Which is pretty remarkable.

Um he moved back to Utah at September 1st, 2015.

He joined the Draper Police Department as a Draper Police Officer.

He served as a canine officer.

Um of our canines who has passed named Judge.

He also served as a defensive tactics instructor in the apartment.

He currently is on our peer support team, and he's one of our traffic officers.

So slow down in those school zones and put the phones down, or you might meet Robert in person.

In his free time, he enjoys watching his two children, Daxton 10 and Liam 8 play competitive sports, and he's joined tonight by his girlfriend Rachel.

Thank you.

Devin.

Master Officer Devin Sorensen.

Devin has 14 years of law enforcement experience, began his career in 2011 working as a corrections officer of the Salt Lake County Jail.

In May of 2019, he joined the Draper Police Department inside the Draper Police Department.

He has several specialties, which include he's a drone operator, member of our peer support team, a field training officer, de-escalation instructor, a member of our awards committee, and a member of the state of Utah's critical incident stress management team.

He is currently a member of our COP team, which we started two and a half years ago and is scheduled to rotate out back to patrol, has done a very successful term as a COP officer.

Devin has two children, a 15-year-old daughter and a 12-year-old son who could not also be with us here tonight, and is joined by his girlfriend, Georgina, who is supporting him here tonight.

I give to you our two newest master officers.

Thank you.

Come on over here, guys, and take the oath.

And the Constitution is Charlie of my office.

Thank you, gentlemen.

Thank you for your good service to us over many years for both of you.

We appreciate it very much.

Next item on our agenda.

Is an opportunity for general public comment.

We only have one public hearing on our on our agenda this evening.

It's the last item.

It's an item uh regarding local consent for a special use uh license.

If you're here for that public hearing and you want to make comment, I ask that you wait until that I call that item.

But if you have a general public comment, I'll be happy to have you come up.

Uh the first one I've got is Joyce.

Is it Joyce Walk Walker?

Yes.

Joyce P.

Walker.

Are we related?

Come on up to the stand here.

You never know.

Um our rules are if you haven't done it before, the clock's there, three minutes.

Once you give us your name and address, it'll start.

So go ahead.

Very good.

Well, good evening, Mayor Walker and Council members.

I'm Joyce Walker.

I am a Sandy City resident, 2486 East, Segolilly Drive.

I'm here tonight because I need to officially go on the record in opposition of the pending, potentially pending environmental uh impact study regarding the extension of Highland Drive over the Dimpledale Regional Park.

The Dimpledale Regional Park is 640 acres of wildlife and nature.

I'm the president of the Dimpledale Preservation Community, a grassroots organization that was uh founded 10 years ago when we learned that four million dollars of zap funds were intended to pave a 10-foot asphalt trail through the length of the park.

This would have done great damage.

We rallied over 10,000 citizens and convinced Salt Lake County to put that $4 million into softer, better projects, year-round bathrooms, erosion control, etc.

Those are all done.

At present, our members of our Sandy City Council are beginning to advocate to spend $4.3 million for an environmental impact study to determine the viability of extending Highland Drive over the Dimpledale Regional Park.

7% of that cost would be borne by Draper City and Sandy City equally, coming to 150,500 out of each of our city budgets.

It is a nature preserve.

And at the time that you dot and many of these road plans were done in the 60s, this was the era where people dumped automobiles and refrigerators into any gully or crevice that they could find.

We are advocating that it be protected.

From the and I emailed all of you earlier, I'll leave a printout of the few pages with your recorder.

But uh from the 2025 updated master plan for the Dimpledel Park.

I was uh on that steering committee.

The master plan strongly advocates for limiting any future development that involves the extension of any roads or over or through Dimpledel Regional Park.

Such extensions would not only compromise the park's visual historic and environmental character, but also necessitate significant alterations to its infrastructure.

Thank you for your time.

I would be happy to meet with any of you with large maps and go over further information.

Thank you.

Next, I have Mr.

Matt Witt.

Come on up, sir.

Can I give these to you, the city recorder?

I gotta put on my glasses so I can see my notes.

My Matt Witt.

I'm I've been a Draper homeowner for 25 years.

Use your address, please.

Oh, sorry.

I'm currently on 14318 Draper Hill Drive.

Previous to that, I was on Arrow Creek Drive for 18 years.

I've been in Draper Hill in seven years.

Um Collow Channing Hall, Draper Park Middle Summit, Corner Canyon.

So we've done the works here in Draper.

We love it.

Um very happy to be here.

Grateful for your service as well.

Thank you for all that you do.

I know that you don't get enough thanks.

I'm on the Draper Hillside HOA board.

And that's what I'm here to discuss.

A couple things, I guess, recently that have happened.

One is the uh snowplow, or not, I'm sorry, not the snow plough.

The um the recycle in the trash um change that went over to ACE construction or ACE, whatever.

Our cost uh as an HOA went from 1,300 a month with you guys, I think, to $3,300 a month with them overnight.

Um so it's a $2,000 hit per month, $24,000 a year to the HOA overnight.

Uh not really here to advocate for me.

Frankly, my wife and I can afford it, but we have a lot of people in the HOA who can't afford that kind of that kind of hit.

Um I don't know how you'll report back to me, but there's no backup in our HOA in that circle.

So I I heard that was one of the reasons why they did what they did is that the trucks had to back up, but they don't have to back up in our in our oval.

And so it shouldn't be a problem for Draper City to take that back over and not contract it out to ACE.

Well, and that's for the first thing.

Uh the second thing is um snow snow plows.

I I realize that we are an HOA, and in theory, that is supposed to be private, but our road is open, it's open to everybody.

Anybody can drive it, it's or anybody can walk it.

It's it's not really a closed-off neighborhood.

And with the 90 units that we have, we pay probably more in taxes per square foot of road in front of those 90 units than probably 95% of the people in Draper, if that makes sense, because it's condensed and we're all still paying taxes.

And it's a small road.

And um, so I'm just wondering if there's anything that'd be done on those two issues, really.

The uh the snow plows plowing our neighborhood in the winter time, and um possibly you Draper City taking back over the uh trash and recycle from contracting it out.

So I think that's all I have.

So I'm 30 seconds early.

So thank you for your uh thank you.

Thank you.

So anyone else that would like to address the council in general public comment this evening.

All right, seeing no further public comment, I'll close public comment for item four and move to item five.

Item five is approval of the minutes of the April 7th, 2026 City Council meeting minutes.

Item five B is approval of resolution 2618.

It's a resolution appointing Ken Brown to serve as a member to the Draper City Parks, Trails and Recreation Committee.

Carrie Brown.

I'm sorry.

Um Mr.

Mayor, I'd like to motion to approve consent calendar.

Motion to approve by Miss Lowry's or second.

I'll second.

Second by Ms.

Johnson's or is there any further discussion all right?

So you know, Tasha, how do you vote?

Yes.

Ren?

Yes.

Catherine?

Yes.

We don't have Fred, do we?

All right.

Items are approved unanimously three to zero with the quorum present.

Item six is the last item on our agenda.

It's also a public hearing item.

It's uh it's a public hearing regarding the providing of local consent for a special use permit for W8 Distributing Inc.

DBA Jade Bloom, and we'll have a staff report by Travis.

Come on up, Travis.

Okay, special use permit for industrial or manufacturing use for W distributing, doing business as Jade Bloom.

Okay, here are the details.

So this special use permit, as I said, allows for the storage and use of alcohol in the manufacturing process.

So they're looking to make sprays, perfumes, stuff like that.

They're at 357 West, Life Science Way, Suite 600.

And here are the distance requirements in our code.

So they have to be 300 feet away from uh the nearest community location measured by shortest pedestrian route, and that's uh community location, there's schools, churches, public libraries, like public playgrounds, and parks.

And they are well over 300 feet away from the nearest church following the shortest pedestrian route, more than two thousand feet away.

And the actions to provide local consent or deny, and our code says we cannot restrict the number of special use permits that we grant.

Any questions for Travis?

Um, I have a question.

So this alcohol is not really anything that a person would want to consume.

Is that correct?

It's no okay.

Yeah, all for manufacturing.

Thank you.

Any anyone else?

All right, this is a public hearing.

Um is there any from the public that would like to address the council on item six a local consent for uh special use program for W8 distributing ink DBA Jade Bloom?

All right, seeing no public comment, I'll close the public comment period.

Um is the applicant here?

You don't have to address us if you want to, you can.

It's up to you.

Come on up to the mic if you want to.

Just give us your name and address.

My company or the personal your company's fine.

Uh 357 West, Life Science Way, Draper, Utah.

What's your name?

Taylor Wimberly.

Go ahead.

Uh and it's we yeah, we're not may man making it so that people can drink it.

I just wanted to make that clear.

It's just for rib sprays.

All right, thank you.

Yeah.

Our council members, Mr.

Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve item six A.

Our motion by Tasha to approve.

Is there a second?

I'll second second by Brynn.

All right, any further discussion?

She can tash how do you vote?

Yes.

Yes.

Catherine?

Yes.

Items approved unanimously three to zero.

That takes us to item seven, unless there are council manager issues that we didn't get to in our previous meeting.

Um I would just like to speak to Chief Smith.

I was able to attend the second half of your fire wild urban interface meeting the other day, and I thought it was extremely well done.

It was pretty much a packed room when I came in, and I thought residents were very receptive to what you presented.

Um I also attended a community event where um there were some members of the fire department who participated, and I passed out um some of our emergency guides, and they were very well received by the public.

They they wanted more, they um were very happy to learn about emergency preparedness, especially.

It was up on South Mountain, so especially in that area.

So appreciate um your department's willingness to help out the community and and pass on that important information to them.

Anyone else?

This might be a good topic for Mimi to cover in an upcoming newsletter.

We had a well just report, we had a good league of cities and towns conference last week in St.

George, myself, Catherine, Bryn, Kelly, and Mike.

Um it was good, it was well done, well received.

I think it was the largest big most attended league conference ever, so we were excited about that.

So lots of new members, um, lots of good topics that were discussed, and uh the league was is doing well, and it was a good it was a good meeting.

So all right, and any is anybody have anything else?

Is there a motion to adjourn?

So moved.

Motion by Brent to adjourn, is there a second?

Second by Tasha.

All in favor of adjourning, say aye.

Aye, there are any opposed.

We stand adjourned.

Thanks.

Thank you.