She said that she'd set it up so if I have problems that it would start recording at seven, I just need to turn the speakers on, so hopefully I'm trusting that.

Was last time did it record on top of your phone court recording?

Did it record both?

I think it was fine last time.

But because it's recording I she just said she set it up so it would start recording.

Yeah, maybe safe side.

Is John calling it?

John, are you there?

I can all text around the C here.

I don't remember what I was last time.

Yep.

This is the uh Wednesday May sixth, two thousand twenty-six meeting of the Draper City Parks, Trails and Recreation Committee.

Next to the uh the uh council chambers in City Hall.

Um welcome everyone.

Um first uh order of businesses to um minutes from last meeting.

Have you guys had a chance to review any edits, any corrections?

Somebody make a motion.

Yeah, second.

All in favor, any opposed.

Okay, we'll turn it over to Brad to talk about hidden can so hidden canyon.

It's the land that's uh at the top of the Hong Kong.

Um, so this is the road that's going into Pete V Trail Head.

Um large basin right here's the access road that goes down to the tunnel, and there's where the tunnel is.

Um there several times in the last couple months, and it's a really cool site.

A lot of different ideas we've come up with and wanted to present it to the the committee before we uh take to the council.

So this is as a request to city council, so we're wanting the committee provide some input so we can get a good price at the cost estimate.

But the applying CB4s is about a million dollars.

It's kind of evolved from two months ago when we was first looking at it.

Um so anyway, I'll go through the different items.

So these are multiple trails.

Right.

Yeah.

So we'll go through I'll go through each of the items and at the end.

If what I'm looking for is an input whether what I'm proposing is too much or not enough, or maybe don't even want it, or we want something else that's not on the line.

So I'm still at a concept level, but we've done enough information that we know that in some areas we need either a pipe or a bridge or retaining walls and stuff like that.

That's why the cost of gone up.

So let's go in here.

Okay, so is that way which way is north?

That one is up.

Huh?

That would be so peak view again is P views would be up in here.

So this is the road that's going across the tunnel.

This is the tunnel.

This is the top of Hog Hollow, kind of, right?

Yes.

So you come up hog hollow, change, and then you would run into the tunnels right there.

Yeah, I was just trying to orient the north.

It used to be north.

Okay.

So to get started, this is a detention basin, and so we need to maintain the access to those structures, so we can't do anything with those all those.

Why are there it looks like two boat ramps going down in there?

Why they have two?

One is for the low wall, I believe, and one's for the older.

So we have to keep both of them.

So you can see there's structures.

There's a there's a this is a huge structure.

This is almost like a room in the ground.

It's really yeah.

Isn't on the baby somewhere on here?

You can actually see a part of it right there.

Yeah, it's right on the other side.

So yeah, there's when you go through the tunnel, it's got right there.

Yeah.

So you can see there's all kinds of structures in the space if the different overflows which is a certain height, then it overflows in the back.

But so our first proposal is to do a paved trail.

Um initially we were proposing something that was kind of along the just the perimeter of the basin.

But as we've gone out there, we thought it'd be really cool to meander into the trees, and there's a lot of opportunity, especially on the south end where there's some gaps in the trees to create a nice, so you're not just in the whole trail and you and there's no shade.

And so uh it was originally about a quarter mile now with the ex uh expansion of that about a third of a mile trail.

Um couple areas to the north, there's small drainage here, there's a little bit bigger drainage.

I think I think it's groundwater or something, but it's it's always wet.

So here we'd want to put like a boardwalk or the bridge as well as maybe one here.

Isn't it kind of steep coming out of the woods on that upper section?

That's my next point.

Right here, this whole heel side here is is fairly steep, meaning it's about a two to one, three to one slope.

So as part of that would have to put in some switchbacks, some uh retaining wall right there.

So about a three-foot retaining wall is we're looking at um so that you're talking about a retain wall to hold the trail.

Or you're talking about retaining walls.

Oh, the back slope.

Yeah, I mean when we do the final design, it might be a little bit of bulk, but and I I mean, right now we're not into the details, but I foresee like uh just a rock retaining wall because we're only talking three four feet of the bottom.

Is that more cost effective than doing more?

I guess it's in the woods, because so you can't.

Well, we we initially we could do a cut.

Yeah.

The problem is is we're proposing an eight-foot-wide trail, which we do logically down the works.

And do an eight-foot trail.

Well, but the slope is already two and a half to one.

When you do a cast slope, you need to do two to one, which means you're chasing it.

And by the time we would have to do that cut, we'd be cutting a swap about 20, 25 feet for the trees, which would wipe out half the room.

Have we ever done a retaining wall?

Like I'm thinking of 90 degree retaining wall.

Can we do a retaining wall where we where we step it like that?

Because when you're going around there with a bike, it's it's easy to catch a pedal or catch your, you know, like what I'm saying, like if you're riding walls on your right, instead of it coming straight up, can we angle it?

Well, if we do a rock one day, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Or those paver type thing where we could step on, but I don't know, that would be too expensive.

I would they're about the same price.

What is the prefab?

You know what I'm saying?

It's more straight up than it's just yeah, but like the one at Southwest Park, which is actually below the trail.

Yeah, that one is a pretty fab block.

I I'd like to see if we can do the walks just because it's more natural looking.

You can have a straight wall there when you're coming down the dirt road canyon hollow where you come down that road and then you can it it's lower can you hollow hollow we you know there's that the the road where we had to put in the pipeline or whatever oh natural gas line so I love the idea of natural rock, but can we use can we use the anesitic boulders that we have on site as opposed to bringing in like limestone like we did in the landslide zone?

Like we use native stone, um by or straight.

Right now it's just concepts right now.

I mean, I think it I guess what I'm thinking, I I love the idea of having it kind of bouldery and step because it looks more natural.

And then there's a fish, especially if we can use natural stone in the area.

It's right by that would look really cool.

Yeah.

Um there's quite a bit.

I don't I mean what we have on site's probably not probably not.

You probably need to borrow it from somewhere else, but it's straight up.

Yes, straight up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we can angle it or so if it's rock, it has to be angle.

You can't do that.

You've got a tiered uh the block you can do vertical, but the the rock you kind of stacked them, yeah, like this.

So I was just mentioning that if we had the native andesitic rock up there, the kind of brownish looking stone, that would look really cool because it blends in with the terrain really good, and it would also accomplish the step.

You you just have to be just and that'd be good in there because you've got trees, and if you try to grade it, you're gonna take the trees out.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

So that makes more sense.

We initially want you typically that's what we like to do.

And so actually what I did was I thought, well, we don't want 20-foot swap through here.

So I thought, well, let's move the trail out of the trees down here.

But with the cut slope, then we're taking out 20 feet of the tree health is up there right now.

There's segments of we lost a lot of things.

Yeah, there's in the last well, there's a little hut here.

And I throw one more thing out.

Why are you coming down this way in sort of a U?

Can you go straight?

Is that is it less gray if you're up 500?

So this is the drainage here.

So I'm saying if you went from that arrow over to that.

Do you stay up high?

Is it gray better up there?

No, you'd be going to uphill to go down.

Oh, okay.

So this is the that's the contour line.

Okay, yeah, I guess.

Well, it's for the most part this trail from this point, the south segment is we're trying to keep all over 5%.

That way you have 80 access to these facilities.

Yeah.

This one, just because of the nature of the area, this one will probably be no more than eight.

Um, this road right now is about 10 to 12, so we'd have to do some grading on that.

So this would be about 8%, which is still I mean, someone still can you know use it for a wheelchair, it's just not because I meet the ADA criteria.

Um so yeah, it's it's following the contour space once you cross this bridge.

You actually come down eight percent, cross the bridge, and then you come up eight percent, and then kind of on the contour through here, and then you come up 88% here with this entrance and then 8% down.

So you guys kind of know this is actually 5% here.

Any questions on the trail?

Babe trail?

I I have a question.

So and this might just be me.

I'm gonna point when I'm coming in to go down the other trails, there's a natural trail that's developed.

It's like from here to here.

Yeah, yeah, like right there.

So the only access gonna be up there.

Is that an access up there high?

Yeah, but I'm worried about is people because the the direct route is from here to there, and then down that barrier.

So right now, the problem is is when we grade this trail and then you have a three to one slope grass area, and then it will flat.

We're trying to create some flat areas for the grass.

Um, so we're proposing putting a just a rail fence along the road here.

Okay to guide people here to this entrance here.

And I was gonna ask a question, I made a note here, because that's why I was trying to figure out the northeast.

Up in the northeast corner of there, I was like, can we get access there?

It looks like you have a 10-minute trailer.

Why are we going just there?

But does it make more sense just to go straight over to the paved trail?

No, because at this point right here, that dirt trail will be going up, the paved trail will be going down.

So if you go straight, then you're going following.

So you're making more of a climb out of there if you go off the paved trail.

Okay, yeah.

So basically that that that kind of splits.

And I think that's a really good idea because on the other side of that tunnel, we've got a makeshift trail that's really steep that's coming up, and I think if we can give them this, people will use this one.

Yeah, there's yeah, I've done it.

You've got people who are one over there.

Yeah, you've got one down here, and then people are using this right now.

Oh, that's yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they're using a real steep one.

Yeah, yeah.

It feels less deep than the other step.

You're proposing for that you're proposing cutting in the dirt trail a little higher.

Yeah, just the that's what that's under about 10 to 12 percent.

And the other thing that's happening is uh speaking of man, they like road trip.

What's happening now, and I may or may not be guilty of this, but if you come down that road and you go if you don't want to go all the way here and around through the tunnel, you just go right down to acting on this side.

Yeah.

So if you if we'll have access over here, it'll keep people like me from cutting through.

Yeah.

So on this side on the actung side of the tunnel, yeah.

It's a steep pitch, but you can go down there and jump on acting.

I think if we have that.

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering.

If it's like if it's too much of a hassle, if there's kind of an easier way to get from the neighborhood through there.

So yeah, this is this is a bit right here.

Is that the access right point to it?

This is proposed trail.

Yeah, just a dirt trail.

That's a dirt trail.

Yeah.

That's what we were talking about.

But it's less steep than the one that we kind of cut in there and people.

People are just roading there, it's not cutting out.

Is there a sidewalk drive in there?

So the sidewalk is proposed to be put in by the city or the public works.

Yeah.

So we're not just it shouldn't be done that yeah.

I actually drew that in because it's supposed to be done probably this summer.

This part, if it gets funded won't happen until it takes summer.

And and this road, refresh me on the parking, like if somebody's on the far end of that neighborhood and they want to drive their car over there with their kids, they're allowed to park here, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, they're gonna park.

They talk just along the side of the road.

It's a wider road.

So this isn't restricted, but it's restricted over on the when you start to go rein the peak view and there's a sign there.

You can't road is narrow.

But this one's okay.

Yeah, this is actually a clutter street.

Like it's a it's a wider street than even Ember Drive.

I've seen people, I think well, what are two cars?

Drive their cars and park it right next to the bridge.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like next to the bridge down below.

Like they they came in it no, no, like just the tiny bit of a big thing.

Oh, yes, in here.

Well, so you'll see that we want to put some fencing gateway.

You're putting what?

Yes, if I can.

They park right here.

I've seen someone park all the way here.

Oh really?

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

I'm like, hi, you should park there.

Yeah.

I I see them park here and walk.

How full does that street get when it becomes high school mountain biking with uh lone of them over there?

No, because most of the other teams they park like Lone Peak, for instance, they just park at the bottom down there and ride up.

Now I don't know how it's gonna change with blue bison going in.

I don't know if it's just gonna change their trail here, but they usually come up rough a hog hollow.

Blue bison is providing access.

Okay.

So they'll have to they'll have a place down there.

There are weekends where the spillover from the parking lot is pretty substantial, and you'll see people parking lined up all the way up and down that road.

But it's I don't know that it's ever been from what I've seen, problematic.

Um it's not like that.

Yeah.

And it's usually cleared out by 2 p.m.

or something like that.

So it's a lot of front here, too.

So what are you gonna do with this entrance right here?

You're gonna put someone up so that they can't pull in there and go down now more shit.

So right here, we'd be putting in a gate with some fence along the socket.

Uh a gate that you could ride a bike around.

Yeah, be a gate kind of like we have it any place else where we have a gap.

And the other thing too that makes sense now that I think about it.

That that one that you're proposing, that dirt one, you probably don't want the bikes going down this section because people are going up.

You don't want uh people on the paved path.

Bikers and the paved people.

Right right here.

Instead of coming over to here, it probably does make sense to have this and this separate.

So because you did you'd have people coming down this or up this and you know, it's just gonna be more good.

It's probably separate.

Well, you can't make that paved trail walking only, or will you no it will be all multi-use.

Yeah, it's more asked to, yeah.

Yeah.

But I think you're just referring if it came down then.

If it's just more traffic, like just a couple of things.

So the the other thing that I see is people are gonna use this that live in the neighborhood, they'll use this to get down the hog instead of going all the way around.

So yeah, that would be a good connector for that.

I mean, most people use the multi-y can see the trail here that most people use the white one.

But yeah, this idea for this trail is it's uh provides access but also provides a nice joggy.

Control how much water is held in there.

Who controls that?

Oh, the works.

Stormwater, storm or stone water.

So there's no chance we build this nice playground and it gets flooded because we are still we no high enough.

Right here.

I think that's the first overflow.

That's the next overflow.

In the middle of the room.

And then we go through the tunnel before it got to this height, right?

Yeah, the tunnel is actually the last overflow, but this huge structure would be the last overflow.

I I've never seen so many overflows on a basin, but this one has several.

Yeah.

Just because it it don't want to blow out the dam.

Yeah.

So yeah, so basically the the worst case scenario would be a contour line that does something like this.

Not where the trail is actually.

Okay, the other thing which we propose is a primitive trail loop down below.

This would just be built by our trail screw, utilizing part of the access road and just kind of if someone wants to jog or ride their bike, you can just do some loops.

Another one would up but how long is that river?

I didn't I'm guessing it's probably a quarter.

It's under a quarter.

The original paid trail was just between that and the current red line.

And that was a quarter, so this is probably that'd be a cool top trail.

Yes, this one would be a bike trail, the one that's up in the trees.

And this is a really cool area.

And this is where we when you get out there, like wow, there's a lot of space up in here.

So you know, make it kind of a nice flowy bike trail if someone wanted to do you know kids to the practice on.

Would it be one directional or a four place?

We'll decide that later.

Or if you turn it into a pump track.

Ooh.

Could be.

Which one does one?

Inside one, yeah, the lowest one.

The lowest oh, you're talking about this one?

No.

No, that's the button.

Or the bottom.

Yeah.

So based on the map.

If you did that, like he's saying, and you just give it some undulations.

Well, that's kind of how I drew it.

And you can put some pumps in there, and then it's gonna be punk.

Yeah, that's kind of what my idea is.

It's kind of a flow fun bike trail for older.

So it's not well.

In my mind, we want to make it so someone hikes at once and go, that's annoying to hike.

You're tail running.

Yeah, I guess some people might like that.

Right idea for a little bit.

I think if it was a pump track, you'd want it to move the problem.

Yeah.

Well, you can just move it back, you can move it back and then have another offshoot one.

Just turn it and move it back.

Yeah, you can live right there.

Can you just loop it right here and go around here?

From this turn here.

This is a big open area.

Well, you want to make it big as you can.

Make it make it down in here somewhere and then take it to here.

How are you gonna maintain it?

Pump tracks are yeah, beats to maintain.

Really?

Yeah.

You gotta work on drains all the time.

You gotta build up, make sure that the rollers are proper.

I think Steve puts a fair amount of time in the bike.

Um, I put a lot of time into that pump track too, and year over year they're a lot of work.

Um not to say it's not a good idea, but they are a lot of work, and you probably have to figure out how to plan for that kind of in advance.

Honestly, I think if we're thinking pump track, why not take the idea, put a little more money into it and build a paved one and make it proper somewhere.

The only concern I'd have like most pump tracks that I've seen are in a in a flat site.

Yeah.

This the nice thing is you're starting up here on a contour line.

Yeah, you could you can make it a microflow, but this is yeah, so your elevation change from here down to there is over 20 feet.

So to try to make a pump track, it's gonna be you we don't have to go this way, is what you're saying.

What we're trying to do is avoid a lot of cut and fill on this side just because they're wiping out trains and stuff.

So you may have to do uh some rolling.

My thought would be more of a roll or like a like a fun flow trail.

Yeah, and over over time if that erodes out a little bit, it's still gonna be fun.

Probably be a little easier to maintain if it's just got some flow features that uh yeah.

Yeah, something like that.

That's what I'm thinking.

That'd be really cool.

Um next item is uh playground and swing set area.

It's about a medium-sized playground.

Uh picnic shelter.

That's a covered one.

Yeah, cover picnic shelter.

And then we'll have picnic tables as we get into the design.

We'll probably put a couple like another one by the playground and another.

Are you talking about like the size that we have a peak trailhead?

Yeah, just small.

Just at one table picnic shelter.

Is there a restroom going in?

Nope.

So it's the neighborhood park.

Um that's what the tunnels for.

Yeah.

All these terrains here.

That's what they'll be for.

So we talked about maybe considering another picnic shelter, but the nice thing about this site is there's a lot of shade around the playground and stuff.

Here it is a little bit more open, and we thought this would be nice to have the shelter here next to a good grass area.

Well, you could always add another shelter after you see it that's being used.

I I wonder I know it drives the cost up, but even if you did a drop toilet, because you've got kids playing here, and then mommy, I gotta go.

I know, you know, it's like you're gonna have to drive all the way to peak people, put it in a car or walk all the way to Peak View.

I just wonder if we ought to consider it.

I mean, I'll throw that out on the rock toilet that we can do.

I know it's right here about the road.

It's easy to pump.

Yeah, I know the utilities and stuff, maybe we don't do that.

I don't know, selfishly.

I've connected big runs and I end up running down this road.

And I've I'm I'll pinch it to get to peak view.

But that's you can't do it.

Oh GMI, but if there was one there, I probably myself would probably use it.

There's a lot of traffic there, so there could be wisdom in that in a lot of for a lot of reasons uh you know, beyond just anywhere where there's a playground, it's just like you're gonna have two there and playgrounds.

We have playground, so our our neighborhood park in the master plan.

All neighborhood parks have playgrounds, but they don't have restrooms or parking.

Yeah.

But that's the only difference between really a neighborhood park, well, size, is the smaller size.

This is a little bit different scenario because this is that's if you take the whole acreage of this, it's it's more of an area part, not a part.

You're gonna it's gonna utilize more.

I think so.

That's why I'm thinking maybe we do some.

What about the bathtub that's there at the coyote hollow trailhead?

Yeah.

Or even or even the single staller can they have that um, yeah.

No, you don't need them.

And where?

Move them.

Yeah.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Well, then when on top of Ghost Falls, too.

That's a pit toilet, which we can't do here.

Because it has soup.

We have access to sewer, then you can't move to the road.

This one the one that's at uh spring.

That one's a little bit bigger.

That's a three store.

I'm doing this.

That's a double.

Yeah.

The single one that's at the looping trail.

That one's that's nice.

Uh that's properly.

You know where that one's at.

If you go to the top of Suncrest and you take a left at the full level, and then you take a first left in that neighborhood.

There's a trailhead over there, and it just has a like a single what you're talking about.

It's small.

It's nice.

Yeah.

But I think that would be good.

Well, and the thing about it, you've got you got sewer and water there, so you can in electric.

So you can just put a water fountain.

You can put well, I we propose a drinking fountain because the grass needs to be irrigated with culinary water.

So then, so the thing that complicates it is like for irrigation, really, we just need water.

But once you do the restroom, they need electrical, then you need sewer.

Yeah.

And in this case, a sewer pump, which is pricey.

So I mean it does have to be.

Can you do that?

Can you just put it up by the road?

And then you don't need a pump.

If you lift it up, put it down here.

Uh possibly we'd have to loop the sewer down.

Yeah, just put the restroom up where you where you don't need a pump.

Possibly.

Yeah, that that would be um called add a single star restroom.

It used to be maybe it used to be like it like I don't know.

I remember when they were 20.

I remember like the the one at uh pit toilets, those are only I think 30.

Um now nowadays you buy a pit with a site over double that.

So the new one that's I would say it's probably 100 to 150.

Or just to get the restroom and then whatever the usual is.

Okay.

Well, that's impressive.

150,000 for a single stall toilet plumbing.

Wow.

Well, I was saying we need to have those, you know, where you fill your bottle up and stuff.

Yeah, and those w those outdoor, they're they're obviously meant to last for them, but they're super expensive.

Oh yeah.

Like one.

Oh yeah, like we can't go back and like everything we're building now, we have the nicer but you can't go back and what what did you say?

Direct told me one day what they were.

Something aren't they?

Well, if you do make about 10.

Oh, really?

Cheaper.

Yeah.

But then still.

But then you but if you're doing a new site that doesn't have water, then you're doing a water meeting, then it gets to 20,000.

Yeah.

You're planting the water.

Yeah, we're gonna have to do water no matter why.

So that's that's already in the estimate.

Are there any neighborhood parks up there?

Um there is the one down below down by Brookside.

If you go to Brookside and you turn down, there's a playground um building park.

There's autumn park, which is so this would be really beneficial for the people that are so get used.

We have Suncrest Park, which is the largest park up there.

This would then become probably the same.

I want to say this too.

I think Brooks eye, all the downhillers and lots of the runners because they go over there and do telegraph and all that.

We all know where that's at.

This is on the main channel to get to peak view.

Everybody's gonna see this little park.

It's gonna get a lot of use.

It's gonna get it's gonna explode.

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

I think that's a neat area.

It's a meeting.

Yeah, I'm almost wondering.

Do you need to expand the same?

I guess you could always expand it if you needed to.

Um, so it's interesting because my original concept had about half the grass that this was showing with the water conservation in my head.

Rhett came and said, No, let's add more grass on these west areas.

Let's grade this out.

The thing is we were trying to make it usable grass, not just like a three to one slope.

Well, I see that area by the playground used more than the grass areas over.

Well, we felt that these would the nice thing about these these are already flat.

If you put a painting table there, they might get used as well.

Where up here?

Yeah, that's actually where we looked at it.

Um we haven't decided, but the cost to add some picnic table isn't much.

Oh, just a picnic table or a picnic.

And a shelter.

Oh shelter.

Yeah, we talked about doing one here.

The first one.

Yeah, I did a cursor.

I can't see where you're either.

Okay, right there.

Yeah.

Somewhere in here.

Yeah, or here.

I looked here, but we're right in next to the house yard.

How many of those neighbors are gonna feel about that going on right there?

I don't think that might be a park in general.

No.

I think it's when you start putting a feature again.

It's wild, wild west right now.

So it would be a little more controlled.

And then I we thought about putting one here, but I don't like it.

Rhett, I think it's okay with it, because right there along that road is a nice view to the node.

I would put this shelter there.

Why not put it here then?

You can't put it there, just put it right here.

Well, don't try to try and pay.

I'm gonna take the whole that whole street.

I mean, yeah, here wouldn't be too bad.

I mean, if I lived here, I don't know if I'd like to.

So we looked at doing yeah, we're planning on doing that at different locations for that.

So without a shelter.

But I know it's a cool plan.

I I agree I think being too close to those homes could cause a problem if people are hanging out there late at night.

Yeah, I think the better location is down away from those homes.

Yeah, I mean, we looked at right here, we looked at right here, looked at right here.

We don't want to put it in the middle of the grass because that takes out the thing building grass.

Yeah, okay.

Um we looked at my curse quote.

Okay, something in here, but like what's the point?

Just let's just just do a picnic table because there's already shade.

And then over here, it gets kind of steep, and then by the time you cut in a thing, you're doing a big retained wall.

Yeah.

So um I know Red would like to see us at least a second to picnic shelter.

Um we just are trying to figure out where that should go.

What about up in the northeast corner up there?

Oh no, yeah.

And then we have grass areas, about a half acre grass.

Um propose them up here just because it's already a flat area.

Nice area you can throw the frisbee and stuff.

Here we'll have to do some grading.

So we have kind of a flat area here, and then it slopes down to a flat area here.

Um we did to uh you know, if we continue down right now, right where this trail is it's it's basically a uh cut slope for the basin.

So if we did put past there, it'd be less usable.

That's where it kind of rounds all.

Yeah.

So basically to that trail up is where it's kind of flat right now.

So Brad, I got a curiosity.

Do you have to call out on the budget?

Um like line items for um native trees and plants.

I'm just thinking this area is kind of wetland ish, and if the trees are there, the shade are there, the birds will be there.

We have the right plants there, then we get to fight off, you know, invasive plants like this and things that the birds moved in, and just kind of wondering if that is something that's naturally called out in the budget, or do we need to say I mean let's put in a little bit of money and for that.

I'm also curious because every time we tear a section of tree out, a handful of them die around it.

Um also we've had a couple bad years where we've had a lot of die off with maples and a and a few of the big oaks.

So I'm just without having seen it, I kind of s I suspect that it might be worth going in there and thinking about you know going over seeding with with native native seeds as well as maybe doing some seed planting.

Yeah, it's cheap so on the dollar.

Well then a tree bar.

The tree part could be a 700 tree, so that's why we're and we we gotta have irrigation up there in the shell.

Let me add to that though, the tree commission has a budget and they've got uh donor.

They've got a zone that's been donating some funds and they're looking for places to put trees.

That's the challenge is how we're gonna do that.

Well, if we go if we go native though, I mean there's if we go in it with the native trees, uh maybe aside from initial watering, they should be self-sustaining.

Yeah.

I don't know that you need to to consider irrigation if if we're smart about the thing.

It's getting them established.

Yeah, let me know what needs to happen.

What's that?

Let me know what needs to happen.

I can get water from the side, I can be there every time.

So there is like in this entrance area, there would be like an area where there's some like an entrance, maybe a sign with shrubs in the trees and stuff.

And I would I would foresee maybe some some trees along maybe the come on, maybe along the perimeter of the the grass here and here.

Yeah, that's in the grass area.

But we were planning on putting trees necessary like along the like in this area, just again.

There's no water there.

Where you're watering though on the I don't know where you're gonna put native stuff, but but if you're gonna do this paved trail and you go ahead and put a line under there and just tap it off for now, and that way at least you'll have to dig it up later, tunnel under it later.

So if you want to do some uh a tree on the on the inside of that circle, do we go ahead and put some lines on the road?

We always drill four-inch conduits under so later.

We can if we decided we don't put tree and then we want to get some water there, because we're not what right now it doesn't show like we're watering inside that's kind of like the boundary other banana.

But you'll have conduits on it.

You can do it.

Yeah, we put those a lot of times we we just throw those in, they're so cheap to throw them in and then what were those little yellow stars you put on?

Call me back up.

I I fitness stations.

I mean maybe fitness stations.

Cool.

So this is what I've been going back and forth on.

Um Rhett likes the idea of doing some fitness stations.

Um stations are like a pull-up bar or something.

Yeah, like a little place that like over a draper bar, yeah.

So circuit the thing I didn't realize is I thought these were like little sightings, and you'd only like need a three by five foot area to do that.

But I just pulled up the information, and the smallest one of these is needs a 15 by 15.

Some of them are 20 by 20.

We need the space to be able to, so you're not you know, in uh outside the trail, outside anything else.

So what's the cost we're looking at to add?

Well, the face the fitness stations aren't too bad.

I mean, you can get those for about I think five to ten.

And so you do five of them, that's you know, twenty-five thousand.

Anyway, but the my concern is grading a and you don't necessarily need to do path concrete could do like a playground mulch.

Oh, okay.

But the problem I'm I'm faced with, which I I haven't even had a chance to review with red, is the fact when you go in there and grade a level pad.

Well, if you have a slope like this and you're going 20 feet in, now you're now we're gonna retain more.

So we're spending more on probably the pad than the action.

So do we have data on how much the fitness stations are used in the draper park right now?

Wow.

So I'd be curious, like if I I question that too.

Yeah, could we look at that a little bit before spending the money on yeah, because that's what you know the fitness station it's affordable, but then you add in all the draging, it's gonna be a more fire tangle.

Yeah, I'd rather see that money spent towards the bathroom.

Yeah, yeah.

I'd love a pull-up bar if that the little spot that's near the entrance is flat already.

Something would be great.

Okay.

Yeah, maybe there's something where you've got a pull-up bar and a couple other, you know, like in one space.

And and then we don't have all these different do it as part of a circuit circuit, but there might be something out there that's more simple.

But what I was looking at, you know, would I think G Vet does a lot of playground, but just looked on their website and yeah, they're you can buy a set for the whole set for like 40,000.

But then I set up, I think it's eight or six or eight.

But then that's you start looking at what you need to prepare for it.

Like uh but but also like every time you do that cut, it just kind of I don't know, it doesn't look as good.

No, it doesn't think it looks as natural and good.

That's why I don't I wouldn't I would be opposed to that.

I don't think that's one spot is maybe okay where there's already so maybe the maybe in the motion you could say limit the stations to area non impactful areas or something like that.

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe you put it by the playground so the parent can be doing something while the kid is.

I know that was the issue in Draper Park is it was too close to the playground.

Uh so we got that's why we have to take it out because kids thought it was a playground.

Um I think you're gonna have I think you're gonna have the same thing.

Yeah, such this is the third, this is the third mile loop.

I mean, I I would be in favor of if we found out you know that a lot of people are stoked about using those down at the Draper Park, and we see in the community that there's a I'm gonna do a pull-ups.

I know it's fine.

What's that?

I mean but you know the other ones, there's like rowing ones and stations.

This one right here, they're pretty sophisticated.

This one that I think let me see if we can back it out.

So Jason, your assignment is to cover it.

Okay, just hang on.

It's bars that come down soon beers there.

I mean that's simplified one, but it's as one you can do.

It's basically these different bars that you can get from.

Are you planning to have this put in for the budget this next year that we'll do it?

Yeah, it's already on the it's already on there.

But it was initially half a million, so we're bumping it up.

Oh gosh.

Because this will be at least what I'm showing today is a million.

Um right now.

We're already trying to find well the nice thing is we're talking park impact fees.

Yeah, so that's with my understanding.

Okay.

Yeah, because when they went in here, they had to pay park impact fees.

Yeah.

When they did the show some money there.

We should have the money for that.

Yeah.

This is just you guys allocated to that.

It's just general funds and back up.

I don't know if we've talked about this, but there was there was gonna be a big playground park type thing out on the road for this neighborhood.

We're not doing that anymore, right?

I don't know.

We're just like a trailhead type park, like this.

This is yeah, this is one over closer to the road.

By the top of Mercer.

I thought there was gonna be some area or something.

Anyway, I'm running the Hawks, the Hawk signal.

Yeah.

Oh, that was gonna be a trip and not a playground, no.

Yeah.

Just a trailer.

No, the playground for our master plan has always been at this.

No, I know there was gonna be one here, but I thought there was a note that we had talked about.

Well, I really like this.

I think it's yeah, there's a lot of uses here.

So fitness stations and then um bit benches and picking tables as needed to go off the side, and then a drinking down somewhere by the playground.

And then a bathroom.

And then we'll add a bath and pump that one million to one point two or something.

For asking for an extra 500, why not after 700?

Okay.

I do think though the council will ask about those fitness stations.

Yeah, and they I question that too.

Yeah, I read thinks people will drive from all over just to use a fitness station on this.

I don't think it could be used for some.

I don't have to have red on the doing a counter and then marking it to prove to us that they're gonna use.

There are a lot of houses though around that.

And there's a lot of people there.

Like I would run to that park just to use the pull-up bar.

I would too.

I I just want to pull up bar.

I just want to pull up.

I think you have to do it.

We're taking one for it.

We're taking sponsors.

We can have a plat with your name.

We just offset the cost of pull-up bar right here.

I just put one in and she's gonna sponsor it.

We had to take it down when we finish the basement.

So I'm still trying to figure out where to put it.

Okay, so what I have the information I got from the committee is look at getting a single store restroom.

Add some trees to the plan.

Um, and then trees and native seating or whatever.

Yeah, well, maybe it's even that's just gonna happen.

Yeah, yeah.

And then uh fitness stations to uh limit those to uh to a pole bar to pull a bar should be.

Is that just the neighborhood or is that on the road?

That's the name of the neighborhood.

Yeah, that's the name of the neighborhood.

Yeah, yeah, it's exciting.

I love the ADA access for that paid trail.

That's really yeah, well, and we have to do that for the playground area and picking shelter.

So the southern we design fact this we design it so if you enter here and come along the red trail to this entrance, that's all under five percent.

And then this would be called accessible friendly, or it's not under five, but it will be under eight.

In fact, it'd be nice with that swing set of playground equipment.

Yeah, there could be something that's ADA like we have with the uh all abilities.

They they they do have to meet certain like a percentage of the plane that has to be all abilities, okay.

And and then isn't the little um interpretive loop up there at Pete View in it?

It's crushed, granite, but isn't it ADA?

Or I think that one and the one potato, we kind of want to.

Potato is a overlook.

Yeah, because we actually had the county kind of lady that brings in the chairs and we we did the wheelchairs in that path.

That's amazing.

It's closer to the colour.

It would be cool, but I don't think it means the five under the five percent on there.

You can always just sneak a pull-up bar into the playground equipment too.

Okay.

That's well we've got the swing set too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, so we'd like to have a motion recommending this plan with whatever additions or changes or concerns.

Um, and with the recommendation to city council to call the planning and provide future for it stuff.

Okay.

Yeah.

Somebody make a motion.

I'll make a motion.

I'll make a motion that we present this to the city council as planned with some caveats on the exercise stations.

Maybe we'll just as the proposed changes that we're at has noted.

Yeah, that's easy.

I'll make a motion to that.

Okay.

And I think that would say you want to second your motion there.

I don't think that's technical.

No, I can't make legal.

Okay, all I would this would be.

Any of those keep listening every time we do the vote, I'm listening to it right there.

Yeah, I mean, you just think chime in.

I can't do that.

Okay, um River to range.

So a couple years ago with Kingdom and our administration, our new administration found out we actually had funding for a study for river to range.

Um for getting a trail between Jordan River Parkway to the Puerto Rico Trail.

And they came back to us and parks and said, hey, run with it.

And we're like, well, Herbert Arrange is a state project.

Why are we running it?

So we went back to Wall Satch Front Regional Council and gave us the funding and said, hey, if we're gonna do this, if the city's gonna run with this, we want to look from 123 to 146.

Because really, that's the gap.

In fact, that gap to I think like three miles or something.

That's the largest gap, I think, in the valley where someone can't ride a bike or walk across the I-15.

So that's a huge gap.

Every place else have you know, they have overcrossing, you know, like 100 south and stuff like that.

So we said we want to do a more comprehensive study of this area of the city.

So the two focus areas as you can see are these the circle here by Bangadur, which is what our master plan is showing, and then this circle, which is where the point is one and a half across and we're developing here.

I see so many people at that bottom one running on the trails, right?

Uh yeah, at the bottom of that.

So right, at the bottom of the arrow.

Right here.

Hopping on right here.

Oh.

Okay.

On Porter Rock Trail.

Yeah.

Okay.

But that's but it's not parking there, but people park there anyway.

Yeah.

That's where they're starting.

I see lots of things starting there, yeah.

Are they parking in plural site or something?

They're just parking outside the road.

Okay.

Oh well.

So um so we've been we started this study either direction.

I see them go south more often.

Oh, really?

I think there are running groups that meet there.

Yeah.

So they dodge all the right.

So anyway, we've uh started this study um with some consultants.

Um with Watson Front Regional Council involvement and looking at both of these areas.

So are you proposing there?

I'm sorry, Red, this is uh across Bangar Highway too.

So this alignment, yeah.

So these alignments, so let me back up.

Uh so we've identified as we've done this done the study, there's three barriers.

Three barriers is I 15, Bangar, and the railroad tracks.

So those are major obstacles.

Um there's other obstacles which are in my mind are not as significant, like you know creeks and canals and stuff like that where we can do some bridges.

Um easier to do.

Yeah, but these are high cost crossing crossings.

So we've gone in and done the study.

These three are the three potential crossings of the tracks.

This is already existing.

It's the you go out there, the road that goes underneath the tracks on the north side, there's a white sidewalk, which is the trail.

So that we've accommodated that for our master plan.

Um here would be utilizing the same crossing that bank interviews of the tracks.

This one would be a new one, which would be uh when they did the master plan for the uh Mr.

Station, they had to pose some kind of pedestrian crossing here.

This one down here that uses this the banger that goes under Bangator, you keep going left down the right that one.

Is that how I'll give you that?

This this area is gonna be booming.

Is that gonna be safe?

Like we've talked about some of the other ones where the bikes are allowed to go through there, but it's like you're running a gauntlet trying to get through there without getting hit by a car and yeah, you don't cross Banger at grade.

It would be no, I know this is under, but I'm just saying when this all needs built out, there's gonna be a lot of traffic too.

There's not a lot of traffic there now.

In fact, I only use that so I can turn around and go back to the map, right?

Or whatever, and turn around and go back to the road.

You're talking about Bangor south, or no, we're trying to underbang.

So I get off right here, go under it and then go back up, right?

Isn't that what isn't that the exit ramp in there and exit right?

No, the exit ramp is right here.

Oh, what's where is this by where the tracks that's right?

Oh so basically we'd be parallel on the north side of the room.

I just see Bangadur on top of it too.

So it goes under underneath the track.

So that's over by where that that road access that's gated, right?

That gets you along to the parkway corridor.

Office.

Oh, you're talking about this right here?

Wait, so Bangadur goes under the tracks right there.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

So you go through the 600 West interchange, yeah, and then it dives down.

Yeah, yeah, I know exactly.

And then it goes over the river.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that we wouldn't need to do some multi-million dollar thing.

There's already a lot of things.

I'll go through each of these alignments for quick here.

So we've narrowed down the four um short list of four alignments.

And this plan is not going to identify which is the best scenario because there's so much more study and factors out there.

It's just identifying and it may come down a budget.

Yeah, a budget.

Uh might not be the best.

Well, most cost effect.

And you know, what things will the state be willing to fund versus what the county.

So there's all these different things that is more involved that we can't just do in a six-month study.

So we've identified these four as potential alignments.

The first one is so basically we have our starting the the goal is to get from Georgia River Parkway to our paved trail system, whether it's Evan Easter Brown Trail or Porter Rock Trail.

Um, there's two north alignments we're looking at.

One would so basically our starting point is Smithfield Park, because once you're there, then you know these are brown and then eventually into our system.

So for the most part, we'll be following the corner of Canyon Creek corridor.

This one comes once you hit I-15, going north and doing an overpass there behind IKEA, and then jumping back into that corner of Canyon Creek corridor.

Thing that I thought was interesting is everything that's kind of this orange color is owned by Graper City.

I didn't realize I knew the city owned land here, but quite a bit of land there.

And where the creek goes through.

But anyway.

So this we go into City Land, a little bit of U dot land, and then some private, and then it would tie into the existing trail that's on the side of the road underneath the track, so we would not have to deal with the track crossing, and then make its way down to the Georgia Parkway.

Um I think there's some challenges with disalignment.

That red mark, is that already there underneath the freeway?

No, this red mark is showing an overcrossing proposal.

Oh, on top.

Oh that's right.

Yeah.

So this is so the nice thing about this one is we already have the crossing underneath the tracks.

There's only one over crossing of I-15.

We don't have to do it.

And how high does that overcrossing need to be?

Like what's the grade we've got on the right?

So basically, what's the grade on that?

So this would I I don't it would be five percent is what they're it should for so it's gonna be a long range.

So once you come out of here, and and like I said, this is not engineered, this is still master point, not even concept.

But the idea is you'd come out here and then you start going up the grade on the east side of the frontier road.

So you'd wrap up to the crossing, and then you'd ramp down behind IKEA.

So it would be wrapped up.

There's the option, which I don't like, is where you go in and you do the little spiral thing up.

That's another option if if you like you see at the school crossing, which I don't know, that's like um there's blind corners in those things.

If you have people, oh yeah, I don't I don't like that.

Um one of the challenges, which is mentioned here, is there's the you dot is doing a collector plan.

So if you're familiar with uh what they did from 90 to south to I-215, where if you want to go to I-215, you get off at 90 south.

Yeah, for India.

It's called a collector.

Yeah, like right between their plan is to extend that all the way to Banger.

Wow.

So basically, you'd exit Bangater if you want to go I to I-215, you'd you'd exit somewhere near Bangater and stay on track.

That's probably planned in the next couple of years.

They said it probably 20 as soon as it would be is 20, 30, like five years, I think it's assumed.

Yeah, because we haven't had any barrels there, so we definitely need some barrels.

Yeah, you definitely need some construction.

I think it was 2032.

Well, that's the first thing I thought when you're talking about this red line.

I'm like, do you have to make that correct a lot wider just for the potential of that being bigger down the road, right?

Yeah, so right here, I mean there's no I-15 crossing bridge designer subject to changes based on the outcomes of UDOS, whether you're studying.

So right now it's just a study, but they haven't done the final design.

But it will impact this this alignment this bridge.

The next option is basically similar to the last one.

The only difference is instead of doing a bridge behind IKEA, would come up the front road, and then something almost like the reverse of what they have at Tiplanogas Highway where they have the bridges over the on-ramps, and then you use the bridge underneath the freeway, the road bridge.

This would be the opposite where the on and off ramps would have a little tunnel underneath them, and then you'd go up and be parallel to the actual bridge across I-15.

That'd be like a combination, and then you'd come out the west side, go along the you know, the slope of Banger.

Do we know?

Just out hand.

Is it cheaper to go tunnel under or uh one of the crossings over?

They have some cost in here, which this is very funny.

I'm still reviewing this.

I don't necessarily with them.

They're showing tunnels are cheaper than crossings.

But for me, our experience is tunnels, you are dealing with utilities, traffic control, and also like this is the same.

And there's a tunnel underneath those ramps and stuff.

So is there what kind of pilings or footings or whatever is underneath, you know, when they built that, you know, how much stuff is under there.

And we won't get to the structural, yeah.

So they'll they're gonna get really general cost estimates just as we compare the three options or four options, but so you'd have a downgrade, go under, and then a little bit.

So if you picture you'd once you leave the corridor, you get on the front, you probably cross the front end road.

Between the front of the road and I-15, you'd be going south, it'd actually be going up in grade to a certain point, then tunnel underneath the on-ramp, and then go up a little bit more, and then cross I-15.

It actually be going up in grade to a certain point, then tunnel underneath the on ramp, and then go up a little bit more and then cross I 15.

So it'd be kind of uh so you turn it on ramp.

You're not going below grade, you're just turning under the ramp.

Oh, okay.

Okay, I got you.

Yeah, so the tunnel would be higher than the thread road is that.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah.

That's more feasible that than the other seems one better.

This is the one I've always liked, but the consultants almost I think they've done this one in my kind of favorite.

I'm like, this one is what I've shown on our master plant.

It's gonna fit better.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, well, and and and the other thing on that when you had that very first slide up there, the first thing I noticed was you know, I looked at the spot, but then the next thing I noticed was that our city boundary, right?

Like this is gonna like the the the far south one, like that's oh we'll get to that, yeah.

You'd think you'd want it to be a little higher.

I like these two we're gonna have two.

I think you're you're gonna have one by the at the point.

You that that's the thing, and that's why we're kind of pushing for this is we've got the point the the the issue I see with the one by the point, the point once is if you look at one twenty-third, one thirty, one one forty-six.

Well, one theirs is a instead of one forty-six, theirs is at one forty-four.

So I mean it's like four blocks away from where you can still go underneath the freeway.

Well, now what yeah, we've decreased the three mile gap to two and a half.

So now we have a two and a half mile gap.

Yeah.

But if you did it here, it's almost strengthened.

Almost right in the middle, yeah.

So that's why I like these options better.

And that's why this one's on our master plan.

Because I was saying if we're gonna get one down there anyway.

Well, talking to you, it's either or I think it may just be as a cost.

Um and U dot they do have uh uh the state funding for these pro type of projects, and they've identified the river to range trail from the point, but we did talk to them and they said, well, we might have a good argument to for them to pursue this one first.

But there's a lot of political things that will go on there too.

So yeah, it's yeah, that's always been one of their big talking points is having that river to range connection to the point.

They talk about it, but they don't have a they don't have a solution for it.

And that's where that's all this is.

There's a lot of things they don't have solutions.

Yeah, do you think they're going to say the people and the traffic that you know, all the people who are who are trying to build out this point, right?

Are they gonna have far north?

Are they gonna have to go to go and and if we do the south one that we propose another?

No, that's a good argument, but yeah, I mean, but it's on away a little bit, but it's better for us my argument would be up north.

And I under I'd love to have both if we have, but if someone does river to range and they get they hit I-15, well, they only have to go half mile to 146 to get our meat to get to our system.

Well, someone in this in our corner of Canyon Creek, they come to I-15, they have to go a mile and a half one way or the other, and get under Bangadur or over Bing.

So it's like what's this white line which is on our trail system in which we actually have a lot of the corridor.

The corridor figured out.

You get to this corner without any crossing.

Well, you can't cross I-15, you can't cross banger.

So basically the dead-end trail system to the right there.

And that's why I've always liked this idea.

Now, with their system, the river to range could eventually someone could go to 146, or they do have their trail system set all over, you know, on the north side of the point, there's a loop system, which at that point then they could possibly do a trail system down the canal and do a tunnel underneath Baker, then to this system.

So I think there's options, so they're not isolated either.

Okay.

Um I was just wondering if you're well, if you do that connection this way, it's gonna direct fewer people onto our canyon trails.

If you connect by the plane, it's gonna send a lot more people up into our that's what I mean.

Yeah.

Yeah, my picture was just to build a wall.

It's funny you say that.

Just walk around the point.

You know, they're self-sufficient, they can just it's interesting at all when you mention that.

In my mind, the south options cater to people going from west to east into our system.

These options are providing more locals.

These are for the different one's gonna cater to everyone outside of drape or yeah.

Kind of like catered to Highland and Lone Power and Alpha.

So that's a good point.

This is kind of more catering to the residents.

And that's why we didn't want to do the study for just that crossing, because we're like, that doesn't really benefit the happy.

What you're trying to get at is are we cool to study these with the potential that one of these other corridors could be a better solution than what is proposed for the point down south?

Just trying to understand what so the study was to figure out how to get across I-15 for the river range.

Okay.

And they gave it to us in Parks and Records and said, hey, run with it.

We don't want to run with that unless it includes a bigger picture.

I gotcha.

Okay.

So we want to study everything that way.

We're not going to ignore the the crossing of I-15 by the for the point.

But we want to we don't want ours to get you know rushing through the rug.

That totally any of this.

This is connection to he's about we're going to be coming to the council on June 2nd.

So in a month, we'll be coming to guys in a study session.

So it's not like you're adopting it, you just it's just a review of it.

Well, this is still this is a year's few years down the road.

Yeah.

Okay, so this one first similar crossing they use the canal corridor here, and then get back into the can we get U dot funding at all for this?

Yeah, so we met with I think there's some are you.

So we've like I was mentioning, we met with the person who does the U dot trails.

I'm trying to think of the funding that's called.

It's in here, but she said there's a lot of money that they've allocated for trail and trail connections, and they've identified a crossing of I-15 down by the point.

Just because they assumed that was the only crossing, and they're like, no, there's one on by Bangater.

And she's like, well, it's allocated for that one.

And then when we discussed the benefits of the north one and how it's more centered, she's like, well, you guys kind of have you guys have good points, but um so once this one political parts gonna be.

Yeah, that's what she's gonna say.

That so you guys have good so can I can I just throw something out?

Can we you you're saying uh like this didn't dawn on me that the point can get access to that until you mentioned it and kind of showed?

Why don't we add to the drawing a potential from the point up under Bangar and hook onto that?

Yeah, because I think that might help them to see the potential on I've actually it doesn't connect the case.

They're not gonna know through here, right?

Yeah, they don't it doesn't connect to the river to range, it just connects to the trail system.

But it does do remember to range because you've got it.

We could connect to the the river from the point down there too.

Yeah.

I'll but make that like super obvious to them because that I think that shows them kind of what I was talking about, like they're gonna want to go straight from there.

What's the quickest way to get across, and they're gonna want to go straight east from the point.

But if they can go out here, then they've got more options, yeah.

I think.

Yep.

Do they have a connection down from the point?

Do they have a connection?

I would assume they have a way to jump on the door river farther south, right?

Those are the next two.

Okay.

I'll be getting there.

So between that, sorry.

Option two and that's a good suggestion.

We discussed that as a committee, but I haven't gone through this in detail yet, because we just got um I want to get to you guys before we take the council.

Um, but we did discuss that as an option, but I don't I don't remember seeing on any map, so that's a good point across any.

Okay.

Or under or or even you could even know maybe it has maybe it goes under here.

I like how these are.

I don't know.

Exactly, yeah.

The nice thing is the canal is already a corridor here that they're already finding a trail on.

Yeah.

You can see right here, that's that's under the plan.

You just need to add the white to that.

Or at least the dashed one saying here's a potential connection that you could combine you know, a part of option two and option three.

Yeah, I like that.

Okay, so there's two options on the south.

This is one that we've come up with.

This is not necessarily the the points plan.

It's kind of using the river to range through the site, and then actually going along the east Jordan Canal and doing a tunnel underneath, adjacent to the canal uh culvert, and then using the East Jordan canal, which is on some of our trail plans to do a trail and east or the canal and linking up to South Fork and Wheaton Park.

And once we're there, then of course we have future trails that will connect north along the canal, and there's some trails that go up to Port Rockwell and the Canal Trail.

So this one would have the cost they're saying, they're thinking this culvert will be cheaper than the bridge on option two.

But this one, the nice thing about the the the north ones is you you're dealing with one major crossing of I-15.

This one you're dealing with the crossing of I-15 here, then going through the point, and then having to do an overcrossing, which you can see down here of a banger to get on the north side and banger.

This is the tracks here.

And the good news is this is gonna be a lot more money.

Yeah, but so and then coming down here along the side underneath the tracks with Banginger, and then connecting over to where that bridge is on the foot rock or the parkway.

So I I think this seems to work.

I I question whether this will work with groundwater and stuff, but they're looking, their engineers are looking at that.

Um so anyway, that's the option.

Well, where that's going back to the river, excuse me.

You end up here to cross that other option isn't it's pretty close to where that is.

Yeah, so I saw that I saw that on the other map.

Yeah, not really that much.

So this is the reverter range through here, but they do have like I said, perimeter trails here.

And like let me go to the next one.

This is basically the one they have on their source derange coming through here, as you can see, it's about a half mile from 146.

And coming up here, this is the issue I've had is the fact that they it's easy to draw a line on the map, but when you actually go out there and you'd have to do some switchbacks, but just first of all, because right now the grade of the freeway is higher, so you need to get above the you know, above the freeway, and then you come across here, you'd be crossing between the liquor store and the D M V.

And then from there, the grade up to Port of Rockville is also steep.

Yeah, so there's a lot of the other thing that this is a paved trail, and you get a little bit of moisture on those things, and you get a little curve or the switch back, it's dangerous.

Yeah, you know, like icy, it can be just they're trying to again they're trying to do five percent, which then meet the five percent, then we have to do both bunch of switchbacks.

You're like yeah, better.

This looks more like it's probably gonna be a lot more expensive than that line would indicate.

You're probably gonna have to do more than I think for the most part the committee, you know, the consultants wouldn't get that with we're showing this just so we can identify here's the concerns and issues that we have to be addressed.

Um the idea with this one was that it would be part of the because UTA is doing tracks through the site and then crossing I-15 here and tying into the corridor and then going down the Edo County in the corridor in the corridor.

So they're already going under the freeway.

No, they're going over the freeway.

Over the freeway.

So the idea was maybe we can piggyback off of that.

Oh nice, but I there's yeah, there's there's a lot that's going on with that.

That's slow, but is that to determine exactly where uh tracks is going over?

Have they figured out they generally do like generally dealing with the slope too?

So they would need to have a cross somewhere else.

That's that's what they were saying.

Is the difficulty is if we piggyback on the tracks, the tracks is seven percent.

Either we have to make an exception for the trail to be seven percent, but if they're trying to keep five percent, well then it won't work.

And you've and you've lost your ADA because you're over five.

So yeah, there's like I said, it's easy to draw out on the map.

And and I'm picturing you're coming the other way and you're coming down the switchbacks, and it's slippery or wet, and you've got people coming up.

That's just it seems dangerous to me.

Yeah, and it's a big crossing because what you're doing is you're not crossing the freeway only, you're crossing the freeway, crossing the further drones, and then making up all that grade.

Uh they're actually, I think yeah, they're already filling up the the like a almost a ramp for the light rail to go over.

And uh the concern they had is that ramp is too steep for the trail.

In my mind, it's like, well, I'd rather have a seven percent trail that's straight instead of a five percent trail that does this.

Because we have seven percent, we have ten percent on the door of the parkway.

I I'm glad that they're trying but it see how difficult it makes it when you didn't think about it fifty years ago like this have been so easy.

Yeah if they just thought about it.

But yeah I'm glad we're doing it.

Very complicated and expensive.

They didn't prioritize it.

So if you look over in the corner your little the the plan of the point.

So yeah like we they do have this the power corridor of the green space so yeah I I've always thought that's that could work for the canal and then bang here so yeah I think that's a good point is to make sure that's identified on the plan as an option.

Yeah you just move that purple river range and just shift it over to the left and yeah and eliminate going over the freeway right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um any questions or I think there's got some good comments from you guys.

I like I like your idea.

Right.

Yeah.

Cost estimate and phasing I'm just curious real quick.

These are very rough guessing there.

So they're saying seven point three for this is just for the bridge.

This has no no utility changes no right of way purchases and so yeah so then Pro they're still working on it actually on the per per foot of the of the just the trail but just for the crossing they're saying a bridge over I 15 on the first two options would be seven point three million and they're saying that under pass a cover under I fifteen it'll be four point two to six point five which in my mind you're you're happening to ripped up the freeway yeah and put in a culvert and change there's utility that how they do it or are they tunnel no they they have a boring machine that can go under you know what I don't know if that's a possibility now it never was until that one forty six underneath the tracks left they'll do that underneath the track so they didn't have to take the taxes I go up through so they're trying that there to maybe once maybe that's what they're maybe that's why it costs are cheaper.

Is that where the single car of single is right now can I make a request in advance if we do anything cool like that with heavy equipment can we go do it on sidewalk please I can't promise you anything because it may not be our project maybe two shots.

Um that'd be so cool watch one of those work.

Yeah that'd be cool that'll be you it would be boring I I'll make a motion that we adopt the red's uh plan with the the red lines that we talked about tonight and present to council second and present to the U dot count you can count whoever you know needs it with those recommendations at IS that one at the banger is our connection between it to as our recommendation number one.

Okay.

Second second all right all favor I like do we have any updates not on here do we have any trail updates if you guys want to anything new going on before we adjourn or I can give you update on Jensen Farm Park along.

I don't know if you've been out there but the restrooms and the barns in the ball courts been poured retaining walls in so the hope is that all that new area talking about three irrigation they hope to have it done by the end of June so what's uh just um he's done with um when I say he the man is done with uh um carpetiem right are we gonna get him on acting this year you think or no I'm not sure that'd be a question okay what about the projects we talked about with the bridges the file so that's on the budget request that's going to council so I thought that was already the I thought we already approved those for the file okay the council you guys have recommended the council has approved the project it just hasn't been funded until the funding kind of group so that won't come in assuming it stays in the budget July put it switched up but that bridge by red rock's already in that one oh sorry the red block rock one for BST specifically talking about levitating those flyovers and maple hollow yeah yeah those two flyers are there any other um are there any other um it's revamps uh reworks um

So that won't come in.

Assuming it stays in the budget, July Please will be the funding.

But that bridge by Red Rock's already that one, oh sorry, the red block rock one for BST.

Those flyovers.

Yeah.

Maple hollow.

And Maple Hollow.

Yeah.

Those two flyers.

Are there any other um there any other um it's revamped, uh reworks, uh wash out new.

I don't think there's any new trails being built.

Are there any other touch-ups being done this summer besides?

I know we talked about action, but are there any other ones?

Make a couple comments about disc sculpt.

That's probably a little out of what you're thinking, but um, I just had a volunteer group out there and had an opportunity to talk to some members of the community, the disc golf community, which is called our one that starts off in our property that we've a lot of cruise down by the Red River bottoms, river bottoms.

Is that what we do now?

That's right, we do.

Anyway, big big kudos and a lot of a lot of positive feedback from the community coming in that way.

Um also which part?

The wetland park?

Maribon?

Yeah, Maribon, that's right.

We put a few baskets out there.

That's become yeah, pretty popular.

Because it's a smaller course, it's just really small.

Anyway, y'all may not know, but it's a bigger deal than I I've had there haven't some big um tournaments.

They are, yeah, yeah.

Over vapor days actually.

Like regional, yeah.

Trail crews put a whole parking lot full of mulch down.

That's looking really good.

We still have a lot of thistle that needs to be dealt with out there.

Um, we we spent we spent several hours popping this.

Rick had a crew out the day before, and we didn't even get four holes.

So I don't know if y'all have any scout groups or anybody that's looking for volunteer hours, that'd be a great place.

It's an easy place to take people out to volunteer.

It doesn't take a lot of coaching or anything like that.

But I'll mention it to the mountain bike.

Yeah, the first hole has a big uh not an arch, but what is it?

They keep it sign on it.

So we're gonna be putting so that's just so you're aware, that sign when they first came out to put it together, they a hold run aligned or something.

Something was wrong, so they couldn't put it up.

So they had to make a whole new sign.

And then we can do it the older micro just junk it.

Well let us keep it.

So right now we're gonna put a mandoe that we have to throw over.

So hole one will actually have the same sign, but it will be uh on the ground on school.

So you can fly and throw over it.

So it's the same sign, it's just possible.

Yeah, if you haven't tried playing it, it's fun.

Yeah, I mean it it's some people take it really serious.

You don't need to have the disk on um parts and rec our our office has some that you we won't.

Oh, really?

Yeah, oh that's good to know.

Okay.

I'm hoping you were going to say they had like vapor braided ones for sale.

Yeah, okay.

Everybody had lose them anyway.

That is the down that's the downside of that course is when the rough grows a lot.

I I have you done the one in Maravon?

No, I haven't.

Because it's a really good one.

We have uh we have staff that will go during lunch and play later on.

Yeah, that's cool.

Can we give us an update on the Phoebe Brown trail?

Phoebe Brown.

Um we are still working with the legal side of that.

And we'll be meeting what does that mean though?

That means we're not there's there's some meetings scheduled.

So things are moving moving, yeah.

Yeah.

Because it seemed like we've just been stalled for a long time.

Yeah.

There's been some new developments for people that are living there.

Yeah.

So hopefully by our next meeting we'll have a lot of um.

You know, when the Tories involved it, they've always got the potential, but I think they'll get resolved, but I don't know for sure.

I'd love for that to bend built.

And are you?

What can you tell us about the damage that happened to Octum Baby this this week?

Do you know anything about anything about it?

What damage?

Craig just said it got shut down because of some water damage from I think you meant from trail users.

So the hidden hidden the new development.

Yeah, I guess they had something blowout and go down and watch.

He showed me photos, and he's like you he's like, it's not as bad as he thought we're gonna be.

I mean, you can walk across it basically, but the the developer and contractors haven't go and fix it.

I guess it even washed all the way down and blew out stuff down on Hong Kalum in the wow.

So do we know timetable to get that thing back on time?

I know Greg is working with them right now.

I don't think it's gonna be very jump or flyover.

I'm just kidding.

Um obstacle course.

So is this is this the water runoff that we were talking about when they were coming down the hill and they're just gonna go straight.

Did we decide to make them go across the or are they still going straight or it goes down and they're putting a pipe underneath the trail?

I think that pipe got filled up with the washed out of the trail.

But do we do we think this is gonna be the one only time that pipe gets stuck and gets clogged?

I mean, this is this gonna be an ongoing I don't know the history of what it up there.

Yeah.

Um but a lot of times once everything gets established, it should be better.

Well, because you have on vegetative dirt up there and it rains, it causes issues.

I get asked quite often, when do we get ummers or mountain bag?

When is it gonna be I see somebody's starting to cut?

I saw that they'd cut from the road up there.

Looks like okay.

So that's done.

The problem is is on the west or on the east end where they have that access road they're building, they're still doing utilities and stuff, so we have to close.

So and then they have to realign a little bit of the trail and connect them to two hogs.

Can we just put a switch back and make that jump out on the road somewhere else and not worry about them finishing?

Can we just get it open to some?

Well, the problem is we have to keep two hovels closed because we do we wouldn't do them.

So it's two hollows as well as the I don't think it's gonna be much longer.

I mean they're moving up.

Yeah.

The bottom of Zeropa, have you guys been hearing any feedback on that?

Yeah, it's not good.

Not good.

Yeah.

Really?

The jumps are they made some improvements.

Who did who's they?

Dust, dust.

Oh, yeah, okay.

But they're official improvements.

Okay.

The dirt was in bad state when he dug, I think.

I think it was Well, the jumps are too small, like people are overshooting and then like.

It's we're weird.

Weird.

Yeah.

And then there's a rock that's a little bit.

They're almost like whoops.

Are you talking about like literally like the hundred yards before you get to the end of the trail?

Yeah, no shop.

I I will I will the history of this though, if you remember, like he was really pressed for I don't know if the weather or time like the winter was coming, or whether he he needed to be somewhere else or whatever, but the bottom bit of that seemed like he was in a little bit of a time crunch or a rush to get that last thing needs to be those last few yeah, I don't know.

Do you remember?

Well, they're having a dig day note this Saturday, but the following, so maybe they'll address that.

I don't know.

Yeah.

They're shutting down all those trails on the for two days I put up here.

So you've been here and stuff too.

I hadn't heard about that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I have personal experience.

Yeah, me too.

I was like, whoa.

Like, yeah, you gotta be really improvements were not an improvement in my opinion.

I is it hucked to flat?

Is that what there's just a couple weird hits that you go over off angle?

Soft angle.

Yeah, and you end up in the bushes if you not know what you talked to Greg from that.

I had a duck and we talked to it.

He's gone for a week, but I just think that it could be reworked gently and be fixed.

Yeah.

A couple of the little things.

That might be even something that sounds like Steve and Moore Digday and do and work it.

I don't know if we need to pull Dustin in on that.

Maybe Steven.

Steven can probably make that work, right?

And it's the end of the trail, so it's not a huge deal.

Well, except people are getting hurt.

Yeah, that's true.

I did hear it.

That was part of the discussion when we were building that brookside trail.

Where's the helipad gonna be for when life light has to come out and land?

Yeah.

That's where you did the grass.

Yeah.

Like we literally discussed it.

The reality of that is that's got a huge, huge success.

That whole lot over there just has done exactly what we wanted it to do in pulling a lot of the traffic.

I talked about the wind over there and how you know, and then we got a wind sock, and that do we do you think it benefits us to get a wind sock at the top?

Just so people like it seems to me a little bit weird that when you get done with the trail, you can see where the wind's flowing from.

Maybe it's it's mostly for that last jump.

No, I know that.

Yeah, I know.

That jump is.

I've been on here.

Oh, it's so scary.

Even on Zeropa that doesn't have big jumps, but I've hit some of those where the wind's coming from a certain direction.

And it, you know, it'll get you off.

I think we should add some wind socks that somehow last.

Like that are a little more permanent.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, you just stop and keep fixing them and fixing them.

But why not put one a third top of people drop?

There's no wind sucks now.

Yeah.

At least we buy uh say a cloth diemon.

Well, how'd the wind sock get there?

Do we not put it up?

And volunteer money put it in, or I just remember it going on.

Huh?

I thought we did.

There's no more less as he doesn't remember.

Well, I wouldn't have done that.

I don't know who but in the original put it in.

Well, there's three or four spots that need a window.

I was thinking about not doing that.

I mean, some of them don't, they're just hidden down where you don't that last one.

Step up and then the last one.

So did the sculpture idea go anywhere with the city.

Yeah, they can't even run to study me.

Maybe the city will go forward with.

I think that's the plan.

Well, we I think they've approved it.

He's trying to work on it.

So dedicated to the training today.

Yeah, one.

I like that they were articulating.

Yeah.

Oh, it's a pattern tonight.

But I guess I can't have it.

Okay, do we have anything else?

Anyone else have any concerns or when's the next meeting?

Two months uh this is the one that we have up in July, but we talked about not eating unless we have to.

So unless there's something urgent, I would say we don't the next one will be September September.

Yeah.

Okay.

July if needed.

Okay.

All right.

And uh I uh moved away.

Oh okay.

Yeah, cool.

Yeah.