So is Jason permanently gone then?

Um no.

Oh he's not.

He will be.

Okay, even though we can't get hold of he was it's perfect.

Okay.

Um so we are recording.

We're good to go.

All right, okay.

Um welcome everyone to the historic preservation commission meeting.

It's Wednesday, May 20th at 6 05 p.m.

Um, we'll go ahead and do a roll call.

Uh Krista Hutcheson, Melissa Day, Elizabeth Allen, Jordan Pennam, David Hayes, Wendy Atzett, Shandikonis, Nancy Nichols, uh Jennifer Sharpsky, Tasha Lynch.

Jason Wiggins.

Okay.

We'll move to the second item on the agenda.

Did everybody get a chance to read the minutes from the previous meeting?

Yeah.

Does anybody have any changes?

No.

Can I get a motion to approve the previous minutes?

Motion to approve previous minute.

Second.

Second.

Okay.

Um all in favor.

Who was on my new okay?

I move fast.

Okay.

Okay.

Motions approved.

That's like around there.

Okay.

And then next item on the agenda.

Well, let's see.

Uh the historical society coordination.

Um Elizabeth.

Nancy attended that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they were just talking about the heritage banquet and that they're gonna have a group that's gonna perform music.

And then um, I don't remember his name.

They're going to be talking about like less known people in Draper.

Nice.

Okay, cool.

May I interject something here?

Because I've been working with uh so I'm on the board for the senior center, Draper Senior Center.

And so in June, we're having uh a Draper Day history.

Well, have a not a day, but a presentation.

Uh Kathleen Weinstock dying is going to come and give a presentation based on her book that she did with the pictorial history of uh she's going to come and talk and then Lynn.

I've been talking to her about it, and she wants to then after that have uh once a month have uh draper history hour at the senior center where she or someone else will come and talk about the people and the dance and so forth and the history of draper.

It'd be nice to have them talk too.

They know so much.

Yeah, have them tell what they know.

What have the people at the senior center tell what they know about?

A lot of them know what's burned this is a lot of people there don't know anything about history, they've moved here because of their kids.

Oh, okay, various reasons, and so that's what spurred the us having the draper history event, and uh, but that's a good idea.

But uh so uh and then I know it's not on the agenda, but I was just having to Lynn, and as you know, up there on the corner, all the things that are being torn down.

She said that that one little house that's still left out there, that wood shack, she believes and then uh Demington believes that that's part of the Draper irrigational uh company's building, or they used to store things, and that that something should be done to preserve that.

They've turned the silos down and look side of the house.

I just drove by she told me exactly where it is, and I just drove by and it doesn't look like it's in in very good condition, but anyway, they feel it has historical significance probably going back as far as 1888 when the irrigation company was or draper irrigation company was uh founded.

That um Nancy, you had something on that part.

Yeah, I just sent it to her that was something else they found in one of the buildings.

We do have, and give me just a minute.

I can get us the pictures, but we do have um a demo permit that is coming for all the structures on that property that is in Karina and Annie's inbox right now.

Um say give me a minute and I can not the restaurant show the picture is it?

Is it no?

Okay, beyond that.

Yeah, yeah.

The restaurant's a separate property.

Okay.

Um but there are pictures of the I don't know if we want to call it a and that is the record property.

That was Joshua Terry's property.

That's that whole corner was his.

Oh, there we go.

Okay.

Um these may be pictures that Lynn took.

I don't know.

Um, we asked for more pictures than what they provided um for the demo permit, and this is what they sent in.

Um, so this would be that structure.

Yeah.

Um that was a beautiful daily.

It does look like it's maybe brick on the inside or or what slides.

I'm can't quite tell.

Um I mean it's maybe some of the not in the best shape.

Um, and then this is the uh larger uh structures on the property.

And that one's already been torn down, isn't it?

Somebody said somebody said the burn was so the silos.

I know they said the silos fell down when they were clearing the property removing trees, the silos fell is what they told us.

Um so though, so that's so those are the pictures of the uh well cabin that's on the property.

If Lynn took some and they they were good.

Okay, one that I saw.

I couldn't find it.

She posted on Facebook and I couldn't find it again, so I asked her, but she said she'd send to you.

Send me one now.

Okay.

What was the name of the owner?

Joshua Terry's.

Well, I don't know who owns it now.

That Josh, it was Joshua Terry.

That's what I was asking.

Yeah, there was um I mean we can where Lynn's already taken photos and we do have photos of all sides.

Um that's that's essentially what we can do before we issue a demo permit.

If the city wants to try to, or the circle side wants to try to preserve it and move it.

We can approach the property owner.

My guess is the property owner will say, Well, come get it.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm I'm tearing it down, but you've got a week to get it off the property because everything's going right.

Um, so then it's a matter of how do you do it is how do you get bug that yeah.

So was she saying that she wanted to do that?

Lynn.

She just wanted to make us aware of it.

But it does have historical value.

She remembers when the around company used as I understood it.

She remembers when the irrigation company used to keep supplies in there.

But she thinks it goes, she and Ann thinks it goes way back to maybe the bounding in 1888.

But they know that that was uh Joshua Terry's property, and that's where the um that was building was owned by the I I guess by the irrigation grape irrigation company, which was started in 1888 and was responsible for all the irrigation in the great barrier.

And she sent me a message just now saying that Joshua Terry was the president of it of the irrigation company.

Yeah, at the time they she found some minutes to a meeting, and that's what it stated in it.

This is this is what um her daughter found in that metal burn.

It was uh 1864 land conveyance document.

English.

That's cool.

Did they keep it?

Yeah, she means to the dieting museum.

Her daughter just said she's gonna frame it.

I don't know where she's gonna put it.

Yes, I don't know if they're gonna put it there.

She just wants it for herself.

Well, that's cool though.

Yeah, cool.

Okay.

Did um anything happen with regards to the inventory?

Um, I do have a message from Annie.

She says, I need to figure out another day we can do the inventory.

I will send an email out once I nail it down.

I'd love to do a standing time, but my schedule has been way too hectic.

Hopefully, once things settle down, I'll be able to extra sort of sighting meetings because memorial days.

Oh, I don't know.

I'll text anything.

Yeah.

Okay.

Are we good to move on?

Yep.

All right.

Yeah.

Okay.

On to item three B.

We have a special guest.

We have um 10 minutes for speaker.

Um, Mr.

Gary Free.

Can we give us a museum update?

Oh, I could be finding that.

Thank you very much.

Uh, that's fine, yeah.

So uh wherever you think.

So thank you very much.

Uh, some of you uh uh have uh most of you heard about a potential museum out there somewhere.

I think you probably have, and then it was going to be a big theater with a uh like the jewel theater at Hale Center Theater, just amazing thing, but nobody was comfortable with this with it, even the foundation looking at maybe funding a lot of it because it's pretty big, and the theater part was marginal on functional on uh financial feasibility.

I mean, really, you think about it, it's uh compared to Hell Center Theater, they're busy every night and paying top dollars and they make huge amounts of money they put up their bond way or so.

We have selected something new theater.

Yeah, this was the old plan that we worked.

This has been for about a year.

We've been playing around with this, and so we worked with the city council and others, and that was huge.

That was like 50,000 square feet, and uh but lots more money.

That was Sherry with Sherry Jensenberry interested.

So the museum would be part of that and an event center.

So we were getting bad vibes from the city, and even the donors were saying, ooh, that's a lot, and something that County would definitely can afford to do, even if it loses money or however it works, you know.

So we came up with something that we hope that we've been in tough with the city.

And I want to first of all thank all of you because it was at Draper Days two years ago.

Kathy wasn't available, and I was just checking everything out, and I went on one of the events that you guys, I think you're on the agenda today again.

Uh had going, and I saw Lynn Orgo and other people who had the moments on and stuff.

And uh I went on a tour or two, and I started learning things, and I'm saying, I don't think anybody here knows this.

I mean, I couldn't get it out of my mind and think you you tell me.

So I'm asking my neighbors, do you know that there was a stream station?

Did you know there was a train station here?

Uh well or I said, when do you think the first train station was here in Draper?

And 90% would say about 20, 30 years ago, it's a tax when I came in here, you know.

That was the answer.

And same thing with the Pioneer Fort.

Everybody knows there was a fort here, but did you know that they danced there?

They had two-story homes.

They had they had a some people say it's a dance hall, otherwise the community place, and and they had to be inside every night throughout all of Utah.

I'm thinking I'm learning stuff that I've never heard before.

And I've been in real estate development and everything all my life.

So I want to thank her personally.

Uh, I know Brynn's not here.

And Annie is is she on the co uh Annie Rin Johnson and Annie and also Thomas Sharkey of the Draper Arts Council.

They were in uh uh my architect's office.

This is our architect.

I'm gonna introduce him.

Lyle Beecher is pretty much famous in Utah for and throughout Theater Mount West for uh doing Hail Center Theater.

You can say that that was the best in the world at the time, probably still is of a theater of that nature, and it's astonishingly well designed.

And so he designed that the the uh the aquarium and uh and he's worked on Liberty Village, which is a huge project, it's over a hundred million dollar deal.

It's just fantastical, and so I'm honored to have him.

He's been really diligent trying to see what can work for us.

So right now we're kind of at a standstill.

So I'm I want to go on this representative.

I think everybody in the city council wants to do it.

Uh the mayor wants to do it, and a lot of people want to do it, but they don't know if they want to do it right now.

And you know what's no money, right?

Yeah, there's just no money.

I mean, it's like a 40 million bill.

We're not talking.

Yeah, you know, so right now, tomorrow, and we have the commitment to make out a check for it and gift it to the city.

It could be made out tomorrow.

It's it's set aside right now.

And so that obstacle is there, okay.

Yes, and go ahead and let's find that.

Yeah, so basically that's what we want to make known to everybody.

know if they want to do it right now and you know what those no money things right yeah there's just no money i mean it's like a 40 million bill we're not talking yeah you know that so right now tomorrow and we have the commitment to make out the check for it and gift it to the city it could be made out tomorrow it's it's set aside right now and so that obstacle is there okay yes and go ahead and explain yeah so so basically that's what we want to make known to everybody but here's here's what it's like my wife but she's really nice she knows that I have what's been looking at the virtual reality and everything uh it could be uh experience room it's never been done almost anywhere in the United States and certainly not in Utah the museum of the future is when you walk in and you see people like in this picture they'll start walking and talking to you in a room bigger than this about this big and very bigger it's called experience rooms so the museum will have these and it'll all be paid for but the city has to be so back to the the the Christmas gifts right so or the birthday gift or whatever you uh the person that receives the gift they have to say I want that gift if Kathy gave me I still have it in the box and then give somebody so if the person that received the gift is that's what they want that's giving it that's what they want and we got a deal and that's where it is right now so they haven't said absolutely no but they said right uh absolutely but on hold without doubt it's on hold and it may never be done so I want to tell everybody that so that we have a clear it may never be done but I can tell you we can make a checkout right now it'd have to go in escrow or something because we would have to say the the the donors would have to say this has got to meet the level or S category it's highest Hell Center theater I mean the best in the in the state and in the whole western United States why can we do that?

I'd like to show you two amateurs so we're doing this in Lehigh too the Lehigh one they only have a room this size and that's it.

So we're working together that we can make experience room for them too and that one is restored and I'll show you a picture that amateurs made this AI of what they can do.

Okay so um that's uh we can play these two videos this was made by amateurs with AI so this is uh uh but we we have uh a movie two movie producers who have committed one is TC Christensen who did uh escape in Germany he says I would love to do it because what I told him about all the history says I do things or people didn't know but here we go this is yeah it's on there three hours of amateurs the cargo beach salt lake city on hard i understand sir my deputies are already positioned along the route that's right for Salt Lake City and point west that one you noticed we just took the picture from my cell phone from my cell phone it was as good as this one and from that cell phone those people started moving and the other people were just AI they're not really actors what we'd actually have this movie stars and whatever and and uh our movie director would be able to do that we'd have Porter Rockwell um Brigham Young and all the others this is the one for the guy this is the other guy this is restored this one is restored right now uh so they have that that's it says museum they took that picture point yes quickly now I need two adult players to Salt Lake City please that'll be ten dollars here you are sir morning when is the next kind of provo you can see I uh what the oh how much time I have that's I only have about one tenth minute left so I'm sorry but uh yeah there's so much to this history and it's just shocking every day I talk to people almost and uh I asked them questions did you know this did you know that uh did you know they had to be in the fort at night every night and did you know about these skirmishes they have most people in the Draver City do but if you go out there talk to my neighbors they don't know any details and so we're so excited because what we would do is put this up on big walls in these experience rooms the technology is here now and Lyle is the person that works with uh Hell Center Theater and it's progressed now I just went there uh to a presentation yesterday and the whole all the sides of the stage and everything are screens too so it becomes

Did you know about these skirmishes they have?

Most of the people in the Draper City do, but if you go out there talk to my neighbors, they don't know any details, and so we're so excited because what we would do is put this up on big walls and these experience rooms.

The technology is here now, and Lyle is the person that works with uh Hale Center Theater, and it's progressed now.

I just went there uh to a presentation yesterday, and the whole all the sides of the stage and everything are screens too.

So it becomes part of everything, and so we are and uh I just want to quote one thing and then I'm through, and that is um uh Quinn Deatman has been helping me personally as well.

So the person that's in charge of all the donations for uh Thanksgiving point.

They both uh told me this is a unique experience, and Quinn learned about the history as much as you can a little bit, and he spent our hours with me and uh with the with uh everybody else, and so that's my time is up.

But Quinn Deatman said this is a rare opportunity.

He says these kind of things they'll come, it won't come up in West Jordan or other places because in the beginning it was only Salt Lake City and Draper, and we had the trains coming, and they had to actually get out and push them over the I think there was like 1700 people had to push it to get over the foot of the mountain, and there were bands playing when it came in.

We could bring these people, we can bring these people to life at the school, all this, but there's Porter Rockwell and there's the ports, and then there's no actually because they can be made so easy.

We didn't really explain that it's not the big theater anymore, it's simply a museum that the artifacts in the old house museum would come up and and be in the front area, and then there'd be two experience rooms behind it.

It's only about 10,000 square feet and total, and it's two levels because of the drop of the of the road, and there's there's a good um function meeting room, gala room down in the bottom floor that that the city could lease out also, and companies would have uh functions there and so forth.

Um there's this brief plan to just glance at, but um it's anyways.

We're we're out of time, but it's it would have been fun to do a theater here also.

Sherry Sherry was very much so in it for the uh for for the Philharmonic, but because that's amazing.

Well, you guys have here as a gem of the Draper Philharmonics and so forth.

So well, with or without the museum, we're gonna go forward with the AI and we'll take the Lehi because they just met with their new mayor and they are kicking out the uh chamber of commerce.

They took over their museum when the out on the COVID came, and they are going to uh let them have that for the experience room with these things that we plan on producing.

But part of the cost, by the way, includes all the production and probably somebody drift immediately replaced me as far as somebody like Annie who knows how to get uh funding from zoo arts and and the health center theater is going to help us too.

Zoo arts and all that there's certain ways to fill it out, they can help pay for all these special exhibits.

So I won't take any more time.

I'm gonna hand this out for kind of a bullet point, and it highlights the fact that we have no agreement.

We may not go forward, and that's understandable.

We have to all make sure we want the gift or we'd want to give it.

So he just passed those out.

If anyone can do it, he can.

I'm watching he makes me tired watching and put things together.

Um right in our businesses and the important thing is to get somebody competent hired quickly if we make an agreement, and that was probably it would be a good salary because it has to be somebody like Annie, you know, somebody that thoroughly knows how to do this stuff.

Yeah.

Thank you for your time.

Okay, the next item on the agenda is the Draper Days tour.

So Melissa.

Yeah.

Okay.

Uh so I met with Annie earlier, and I think that we have figured out kind of the area that we would like to target.

Um it's from Draper Theater down night east to the port part to the historic part.

Um and an idea that I kind of kicked out to Annie was maybe focusing more on like the businesses and the community areas there versus some of the historic homes that are there.

We've got the theater, the park school, the cemetery, which Ebony the Brown and Henry Day are both buried right there, very easy to find.

Um, and then the Swinton House.

I've already talked to them about opening their museum, and then there's the historic park and the old post office across the street from it as well that I thought would be interesting to do.

So I'm working with Annie on that.

We're going to meet on June 2nd.

But do we have an idea of who would like to help do the walking tours?

You're in.

Yeah.

Yeah, I can do it.

Awesome.

Thank you.

You two have time of year.

That's what I'd have to check.

Let me know.

Um by when you know.

Okay.

What's our interpreted date?

It's June 14th, July 14th between six and eight.

Yes.

July.

Yes.

July.

Yeah, July 14th, not June.

July 14th.

Between 6 and 8 or 6 and 8.30 or something like that.

And then it always it always runs a little bit late too.

So plan 8 30.

Yeah.

Um perfect.

Yeah, let me know.

And that will kind of factor in the houses and whatnot.

Um yeah, I think that is the update on that.

Okay.

And then it's great.

Maybe you guys will email or something, kind of let us know.

Yes.

After I meet with her on the second, we'll kind of so that give out some more information so you guys can start some research.

I did the Sornson house a couple years ago.

So did you actually go like you were the one giving the story in the uh yeah?

Well, no, I stood outside of it, but I sent people in and see that's what I was wondering.

Do you have somebody outside and be like, come inside?

And they give the tour or well, I told people about it, and then they kind of just decided based on time if they wanted to go in.

Yeah.

She was kind and gave me water in a chair.

Very sweet.

Yeah.

She was inside talking about the house inside people, and then Chris I was outside outside it.

Yeah, yeah.

Perfect.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um, let's see.

Next one.

Uh the Juneteenth website information, Wendy.

Juneteenth website information.

I go ahead.

I didn't know whether we needed to get communications more information or not.

And so I just put it on the agenda to talk about if we need it to well.

Let's let's have a little bit larger conversation.

I send around to everyone that I got a thank you note the minute that that was posted, which was so cool.

I don't know if anybody knows him.

Anybody know Kate Williams?

No.

No.

I have copies of the article, nobody's seen it yet.

Uh so that made me happy, and I'm curious to know if any other comments came into the C.

Um, but I'm sure Alex would have left us now.

Yeah, not that I heard so I would love to put the more a more detailed piece on the website if if Alex is willing to give some space to that.

I think it's I think you I think you would worth doing.

Yeah.

I I think you would.

So um reading by so we have yeah, I mean they just have kind of another page like they've done for like the preserve and stuff.

Okay, so we can get that information and get it over to Alex.

Okay, yeah.

I will work on that.

Okay, next um 3E, the walk tour video tours, walk through video tours of historic homes.

Okay, um Melissa and I are trying to coordinate to meet with the owners of the how the Rasmussen house next to the historic theater, so we can talk to them and then possibly do it in July if they're ready for it.

Okay.

Okay.

Um 3F, the walking tour brochures.

Okay, so uh mostly what I've done is uh I don't have any new places that I've replenished and uh one of the big spots is the the Graper Library, they but they really move them along and so um anyway um they are being distributed.

Awesome.

I don't know if the board member new board members have uh copies of the brochures or not.

We have but we're gonna see what we're talking about when we're talking about brochures and we have these displayed at various places, restaurants, uh the library, uh school.

Um yeah.

I was gonna say I it's if you do you need more or do you still have plenty?

No, I need more.

You need more.

Okay.

More QR strips, so I need more of the things that go on the display video too.

Okay, but the brochures are you doing more for first?

Yes, I should be sure.

Okay, I'm really giving it a lot out.

Okay.

Let's um let's set up a time to have you stop by and I can press and I can I'll I'll get you the uh QR stickers and the um labels for the brochure holders, and then we can get you a box of the brochures too.

That'd be great.

Yeah.

They really they're really moving.

They just go through them a lot, but we do have mostly a lot of other places.

All the charter schools and okay, moving on to the next item 3G, the Native American recognition.

The updates.

I don't have any updates, but I do want to get a sense from people if they have had um a chance to think about directions that would make sense for this commission since we don't have a budget to put up a big monument.

Are we interested in continuing to use the website to add content about native people?

It seems the best vehicle moving forward, most cost effective.

But I'm still in favor of a plaque someplace in the park.

The draper, I don't think it needs to be expensive or huge, but um I still think that we need to have something there that identifies the fact that native people were here, and that uh early on.

And can I add something to that?

I apologize.

If there was something that we could say just a note that this was the place where Native Americans were, and if and somebody pointed out it was even named, and they was even a native name and uh native name, the native name at one time, and then the report of the fact that they should find more information by going to the side.

That's such a fabulous site out there to think that it's so buried and nobody knows about it.

Jason, what did you have to say?

Oh, thank you.

Um so it's more related to the website and just having content up.

I mean, I think it'd be wonderful if we found budget to have a monument, but I just want to relay you know, some of the conversations that I've had with people outside of the state of Utah.

I travel a lot for work, and I have opportunities to talk with people about Utah history and having some clarity on the Native American Native people's role in our history as well as um enslaved people in our history, and having some concrete talking points to share with other people has been impactful in my conversations.

Many people don't understand that we have an awareness of this history within our state, and some of the feedback I've had from other people, um, including uh people who are descendants of enslaved people and Native Americans, are that that's great that you're telling the story.

It doesn't change all the other parts of the story of our history, but being clear on the truth of these things is really important.

So I think to the extent we can continue to really flesh out those stories and make them tellable.

So if I get out on the website, I read this, it's something that I can communicate to family members, peers, people outside of the state of Utah.

I think it really adds to the richness of our history.

So I I would love to just make sure that we continue that part of what we're doing that enables me as a storyteller to communicate these things to other people.

Great also if we can get a monument, but I think that these things that we're putting in the website are gold for those purposes.

Good point.

And I share links with people to where I can, and I've shared things that you know email chains.

It's really it's growing legs um in the small way that I can influence it.

Thank you.

Um I know it's a small budget, so I imagine there's not a lot of budget planning, but um we could do a little bit of that and see.

I mean, have we already kind of done fiscal 27?

Um just a second.

Um just a second I know so I don't I know I have something put together, but I but we really haven't put um really talked about it's gonna have something on the next agenda for next month.

But let me let me get in the folder the information that we do have, or we can take a look at it.

Um I mean, and if you think it would be better to do it next month with the close of the fiscal years, but well, we we can look at it.

Um I mean it's always it's always good to take another look at look at the budget and everything.

Um so we will have um the remainder of our um reconnaissance level survey come through after July.

Um I did get uh the first uh invoice from Kirkhoff acre owner constants level survey work.

Um and they and they have gone back out, so they're I think they were out this well.

I've got a few calls they were out this week.

Um so we'll we'll get more the majority of the the fees for the constant level survey, which is really them actually being out in the field, should come in before July.

Um and then we'll have the remainder of it for the new fiscal year.

Um I went ahead and put the video tour.

I think that's the house next to no, that's not the house next to Erasmuson.

Erasmuson house.

Okay, so we'll we can change that out.

Um I did figure the plaque, the plaques for the uh Dina Williams house and Isaac Stewart home since we're working on um the nomination right now for those.

So that'll be an additional plaque that goes up at the Isaac Stewart home from the national register.

Yeah, because there's a paper right now.

Yeah, they'll have the national register.

Okay, okay.

Um so we do have six thousand, we haven't used yet.

Now they're for you know the next year.

Now assuming we're just doing one video tour, assuming that the amount that I think Kirk's gonna fill us for June for May and June versus after is correct.

Um so so there is room to do things now.

Plaques, um the sort preservation commission's worked on plaques uh a few plaques while I've been working with the commission.

They they do take time.

So in in all honesty, um, if we looked at a plaque, we'd be doing history research writing, and then it'd even be next year that we'd be having 28.

The actual plaque.

Okay and plaques are expensive.

Yeah.

Um, I think uh the widowmaker plaque, I think they just the basic plaque um like three thousand like it yeah, it was expensive.

They're they're very expensive.

Um so we would need to plan on that if we're doing a plaque, but honestly, my experience it takes so much history research to get to where you're actually printing a plaque, that would be the following year's budget.

Yeah, we just need to plan for it.

If we want to add this to next month's, but putting um Dina's home on and then also doing the the Rasmussen home, we're gonna need to add those to our um our walking tour online, right?

Because they're not on there right now.

Like they're done, but they just need to be put online or well no, they're not even done.

I mean that we don't have anything about them.

The walking tour, I don't think necessarily has to have every property that's on the register.

Okay.

Um the walking tour, I think we need to keep within a you know, a walking radius, so it's where we have clusters.

Okay.

Um now there is a page on the website that has nationally listed properties that just has like one image and then some information.

And I do need to get Alex an updated information because it's like half of them is there.

Yes, then it's been a while.

Okay.

Um, so I know I need to get him the rest of the list.

Um, but not every property needs to be in the okay.

The Rasmussen one is fairly close to all the that button and it and it may be, and if we if you guys look at it and think, yes, that could be added, let's go ahead and do it.

Okay, but I don't want to just add in a bunch, and then people are thinking, oh, I'm gonna do the walking tour, and then they're walking really hard to go one house.

Yeah, so well, yeah, yeah.

So can I make a proposal for a near term and a midterm kind of strategy?

Because I think it's relatively the research needs to happen, and if we're doing something with Native American people, we need to consult.

So that's that's a year.

And but we also can get things onto the website much more quickly that can form a basic kind of a flag or something physical out in the landscape, which is I think what you're thinking is to put it in the context of the other monuments so that it has a place there too, right?

All of the beautiful monuments that are around the historic park.

Is that kind of what you're thinking?

Yes, thank you.

So I was gonna say state how state agencies budget their budgeting for fiscal year 27 right now, but then they do a wish list for 28.

So if that's all right, we could have a vague thought like that.

Like, okay, we we have a decent idea of what we are gonna do in 27, and we have a wish list for 28.

And then we can we can do that.

We revisit that we can do the research, the research can go on the website so that we search is not for nothing, right?

Yeah, and then if budgetarily it works out and it works out with agreements with everybody, then it could be in our tentative plan for 28 to pay for.

Yeah, and what um well, I I think that's what we kind of did with the process of the survey too, try and figure out how we're gonna how we're gonna pay for it, um, looking at the contract and what months he was gonna build for which you know work to determine okay what's going to be in this fiscal year, what's going to be a next fiscal year.

Um, so yeah, I'm fine with that.

Okay.

And maybe in the interim, we could investigate grants or things like that too to see if we could help lessen the blow of taking 30% of our budget to do it.

Maybe we'll get uh uh CLG grant money back eventually.

So I might take a look at the website and think about ways we can integrate this kind of content into the structure that's already there.

Yeah, yeah.

Jason, I really appreciate your point about making sure that we have good information on the web to go along with like the um what do I want to say?

The 3D materials in the city.

Excuse me, okay.

Anything else on that topic?

Right, you're good.

Okay.

Um I don't know if this is the place where but again the senior center uh Nina Williams volunteers there, and she approached me today when I was there and said that she has heard from somebody from somebody that wants to come to her house from the historical somebody, but she doesn't know she's kind of left in the lurch about what was happening, and I said I don't know anybody from us that's coming.

Nina Williams with the place over on Pioneer.

Yeah, yeah.

And she said she'd been contact us, but she was sort of vague and she would really seem to know was looking for me for guidance.

I said, I don't know anything and can't help you.

I'm sorry.

But I would require tonight at the meeting and give her a call if I found out anything.

I can reach out to Coral and see if maybe it was Coral.

Um, because we have officially contracted with Coral to do the uh nomination work.

So maybe she wants to actually tour the house and talk to Nina.

So yeah, um do you have a contact record?

I do, yeah.

Let me get that fine.

Yeah, I can I can't, yeah.

All I I can reach out to Coral and then I'll let you know.

Okay, thanks.

Okay, next item the America 250 participation.

Um our last meeting, which was supposed to be May 6th was cancelled.

Several people were unable to make it, but um, an email was sent out to substitute for that.

Draper was selected as one of the sites for the America 250 mobile museum.

I I'm the one that got them that okay, yeah.

I didn't get it, but I told them about it.

I'm like, hey, you should check this out.

Yeah, so um the press has gone out for that, and uh there were a couple of programs I mentioned last time, like the uh walk 250, and um say that I'm sorry, the other one is escaping me right now when what it was.

Um America's potlock.

No, it was the city.

I have a piece more.

I don't know why I can't keep uh a thought in my head, but um it was the walking and one of the other ones.

Well, um we had a really good response to it.

They've had quite a few people sign up, so let's see if I can find it both asked.

I'm sorry, I read it right before the meeting, and I cannot keep the thought in my head.

Um, it was that there were they've received over 20 applications from the community that have completed the 200 2500 steps or 250 service minutes.

So they're mailing those people certificate signed by the mayor and a bracelet or coin.

So they and that it had only been rolled out for a week, so that was a really good response.

20 applicants, yeah, in just a week's time frame, so without any like real publicity push, I think.

So I think it will only get bigger, and we uh did not nothing was discussed about the potbook just yet.

So um we'll be meeting again on Wednesday, June 3rd, and that will be a big topic of discussion.

I met with Swire Coke last week, and they offered to help with the potlock.

Nice sponsor at our donate.

That was really nice.

They're a big sponsor of this whole America too.

I think so cousin in general, yeah.

Okay, okay.

Um see the next thing, uh Draper ethnic and minority history research, David.

Okay, so I met with and also spoken on the telephone with Ray uh Glad.

He works over in the museum on Mondays in the afternoons, and he's was raised here in in um draper.

Um about 128th, I think he said, and he's knows all about the ethnic groups that were here.

He said there were Greeks, there were Italians, there were Mexicans, there were Japanese, and um so uh during our last conversation.

Although I've talked to him and he's throwing out names and everything, he is going to write down the names of the families he remembers and where they live and as much information as he can remember about the families, and so that would give us a good uh starting point to go from there.

So he's very very helpful and very very willing to to help me because it's um uh there's lots of very interesting things like he said there was a Mexican family that tried to pass his Italians because it was higher up on the social ladder if you were Italian rather than a Mexican.

So we've got all kinds of interesting things happening here, I'm sure.

But uh anyway, he's a very excellent resource, and uh then Linda Richens has also lived here for a lot of years, and uh talked to her about she knows some of the families too, and is going to try and help so that we can make some progress and uh documenting that it wasn't all Mormon pioneers over the Draper.

So which I think we have a great story that Wendy put together here was about the African Americans and slavery and draper.

Um I did get a nice comment at the senior center again.

Somebody overheard me talking about Draper uh history event that we're going to have, and he said he'd read the article and he found it very very interesting.

People couldn't believe and the uh three other women were there and they said, What's this?

Oh no, slavery and draper.

Oh no, you know, but that that couldn't be huh.

So I think we're making some inroads of bringing some awareness of the fact that Draper was the Mormon pioneers.

Hey, awesome.

Thank you for that.

Um item three J, uh, widowmaker plaque update and ceremony.

Jason, are you still with us?

I am.

Can you hear me?

Yeah, yes.

I'll I'll try and come off camera, but can you see me?

Um it's me not.

Um no, because I okay.

I'm I'm gonna block it.

We won't worry about it.

Okay.

Um so as you've seen through the email communications, we're getting close to installation.

And we had talked about uh doing uh uh ceremony, an unveiling ceremony and involving um some of the racers, as many as we possibly can.

Um, what I would like to do is get some ideas from the group on what would be a fun event.

Um, but I'd like to maybe put a a little some uh some guardrails around it.

So I have an agreement with the Kimball family, they would love to participate.

They're in communication with a lot of uh bees motorcycle member clubs, remaining members.

They said they would help facilitate the guardrail I want to put on is that Mel Kimball Sr.

is an octagenarian.

I think he's uh maybe 85, 86 years old.

So there will be some limitations on his participation.

I'm not sure exactly what those will be, but I I would think that if we can time this sooner than later and not have it be in the heat of the summer, that might be a good thing for him.

Uh beyond that.

Um I imagine Linda might have some limitations on the city side, but I I'd like to just given those limitations, open it up to the group to ideas on what you think might make uh a nice unveiling ceremony um for the for the plaque.

And and I'm gonna go ahead and add so Friday I met on site with um representatives from the county, um, our public works department and our parks and rec department to go over the actual physical work that would need to be done to install the plot.

Um, so our part uh uh our public works department will be doing all the concrete work and actually installing the sign, and parks and rec will actually be doing the irrigation work that will need to be done since the grass will be moving over.

Um public works thinks in a couple weeks they should be able to do that.

Um he was gonna reach back out once he knows more, but they've got to order the comp concrete and and that kind of thing.

So I'm I'm hoping in at least a month's time it will be fully installed.

Um Parkshark will have done the work that they need to do on the irrigation as well.

Yeah, and Jen, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we just need to make sure that the the sign installation and the concrete work are set, unless Linda has some other ideas on what the grounds around need to look like for an event.

We we may be able to do it as soon.

I'm sorry, I'm I should do my best to phrase it as a question.

Are we limited by parks and rec doing their part in this?

Um probably not, but it might look nicer.

Yeah, it will gone in and done that part um versus um potential for uh irrigation pipes that haven't been uh re-buried because they've said they're waiting for parks to come in and fix them, um, that kind of thing.

And so I'll I'll keep uh in conversation with them, um, so we know a time frame, but I wouldn't suggest having any kind of event closer than a month out.

Okay, that makes sense.

I mean, I I do think I mean if it if it did get extended, there are a lot of things you can do, like blanket areas, put the you know, temporary shelters over stuff.

I imagine there are things that we could do in terms of props to make stuff look good on camera.

Um, but if they could get it done and close proximity, that'd probably be the best.

Yeah, and I'll I'll keep in communication with them.

Um I think if we had kind of more of a date where I could tell them we're having the ceremony on this date, you know, you've got to be done.

That uh might be better.

Oh, sure.

But it is not possible within a month, and then we're in the heat of summer.

Yeah, perhaps it would be wise to look at September or October when it's trying to cool off a little bit.

Yeah, would we would be we'd be missing uh would we be missing a an opportunity though, I guess is the thing that I'm it it almost seems like it might be better to try and you know use props and ways to get around the I mean the concrete work once it's settled, it's in that sign is in, it's on site, people can see it, people are there.

Um there are a lot of things you can do in terms of camera work and setting the scene that can kind of mask a lot of stuff, but once that sign goes in, it's in well.

If we wait clear until fall, then that's uh until it's complete.

Do you see what I'm saying?

We just have city, like we don't open parks until the park is done, right?

And there's always I mean, July is hot, but there's early morning.

I mean, you can you can do things to try and mitigate the heat when you can.

I don't want to bring a bunch of people to an unveiling to an incomplete site, I don't think that makes that makes sense, but you know, just recognize that there's gonna be a sign out there in con.

I don't know how many people have actually been to flight park and kind of seen where this is, but right now there is essentially a bathroom.

The sign's gonna be in front of the bathroom posted in concrete that is mostly already there.

There will be a little bit of landscaping around the site.

That in from my perspective, having been on site a bunch of times, I would say the amount of that parks and rec is going to be doing there is gonna be minimal in terms of what the cameras are going to see.

It it you know, I I would it might actually be instructive to have everybody go take a peek at where it's going to be, but once that concrete goes down in terms of what a news camera's gonna see, that's it.

I I'd I it's gonna be looking at the backdrop of the widowmaker cut, which is on the map that the the uh paragliders take to hike to the top of steep mountain ridge, and that's all cheat grass and dirt.

Parks and rack aren't gonna do anything to the backdrop in in that area.

They will be doing a little bit of rerouting to sprinkler pipe that goes around to kind of the front of the bathroom area where some of the grass is that won't be in the backdrop of anything that a camera is going to see.

So I would think that the impact the parks and rec is going to have on the scene is going to be very minimal.

Well, there's not just cameras though, there's gonna be people, yeah.

So be cognizant.

Let's maybe tonight talk about ideas on what we want ceremony.

I can continue communicating with uh public works because nothing's gonna happen until they're able to actually do the physical work.

Um we can kind of look at um I mean at this point or or into July.

Um so you guys will want to look at more of an early morning type ceremony or wait.

Um that's up to you guys.

So we fit it in with Draper Days.

Yeah, that's a really good thing.

Yeah, potentially.

I think it'd be interesting to fit it in in the morning on Draper Days.

But Jason, I don't know if you like the Kimballs and those people.

Do any of them still have some of those historic motorcycles that they could bring around the podium?

Because I'm saying Mel Mel has the motorcycle that's in the picture that's on the plaque.

Whether they can actually get it up there or not, I don't know.

I could ask them.

I have the ability to move unmovable motorcycles like regular.

These these guys have been racing motocross since you know, from the early 1960s through the junior.

They gotta they got everything.

It's it's more a matter of, you know, if we ask that, are they willing to do it?

Um it's not a matter of them being able to do it, it's more of are they willing.

And I'm I'm happy to ask them to do that.

But that that's a possibility.

I think it would be fun to have some of these vintage motorcycles around and kind of showcase what would have been trying to climb.

That's a great idea.

Yeah, it's a great idea.

Yeah, but I'm assuming that there's no possibility that the county will let us do like a ceremonial run, somebody running maybe only 20 feet up and not to the top.

Uh, nor would Draper Draper owns the mountain and the county owns.

We need a very emotional run at the bottom of that hill.

I think a daughter goes up that hill.

Maybe they used to be sitting sitting on the parks and trails committee and understanding those rules.

I would call that probably a hard no, unless possible you can get some you know different leeway with with with um footage of it of the races that could be playing there.

Yeah.

Yeah, there is.

We've got we've got footage from ABC Wild Word of World of Sports.

I think this is all open source now.

So yes, definitely.

So if we're checking off boxes on what's possible and brainstorming spirit of brainstorming, yes, 100%.

We could ask the Kimballs to see if they could bring motorcycles.

We could see if we can pull up footage.

I don't know what the rules are around um, you know, using that footage with the city, but that would be something that we could ask.

And it is available.

I mean, you can pull it off YouTube, you can pull it off the web.

It's it's out there.

Same thing with um on any given Sunday.

The footage from that is all out there in the open domain.

Whether that passes legal muster for us, I don't know, but it's out there.

So we we could potentially pull pull footage.

Yeah, we'd we'd have to ask.

Um my guess is if it's open content, it might be allowed, but maybe not.

I mean, Linda would probably have to look into it.

Or maybe some people that were in it might have their own footage.

I mean, yeah, they might have recorded themselves.

It's possible I've asked those questions.

Um, I you know, we we could we could ask the question again right now as it sits.

I have no access to that based on all the people that I've talked to.

Libraries, there's family search that they could convert it to digital.

Yeah, if we do anyone still climb it, no.

Well, on foot, how long how long how long ago was it?

Motorcycles I cut it off in the 80s, 89, I think.

80 88, 88 was the cutoff.

Yeah, yeah.

Whatever happened to all the things that were displayed in even Stevens.

Yeah.

Uh I asked though.

They're they're gone.

They went back to um the original owners.

I've asked the Kimballs who knows some of the people who donated stuff to even Stevens, and I haven't got an answer on that.

Okay.

The Kimballs themselves have like that program.

Yeah, the Kimball family themselves are a treasure trove of that, and we do have access to them.

They've offered to participate.

So we we we could ask for them to bring artifacts, motorcycles, things like that.

Um, footage, what's open source is available.

Um, I've spent time, you know, circulating questions through the Bees Motorcycle Facebook group.

Um, I would say right now, if the Kimballs don't have it and it's not available open source on the web, it's probably not gonna happen.

But there is a lot just through those sources, so it's a great idea.

We do we do have access to all that that the Kimballs have.

Are you gonna advertise it outside of the city or just the city?

Because there's a lot of interest in this.

No, sorry.

I'm sorry.

Um, there's not a it's not a public, it's public meetings, it's not a public hearing or anything.

So sorry.

Um yeah, I mean, they could could you advertise it on that bees group?

Um, the the Kimball family said that not only would they do that, but they would reach out directly to their contacts.

Um the question more for Linda is to what extent can we um reach out to news outlets and people that can extend the um the event, you know, maybe beyond the the city's uh media.

I'm sure they would be willing to write a press release.

I yeah, and I I'd have to go with Linda on that as well.

Um, I mean, obviously posting on our website and our social media.

Um that kind of thing would not be an issue.

Um, so yeah, I'd have to go with Linda.

Yeah, I think we we should ask.

I mean, this is a big deal.

I mean, we've had there have been um even recently Salt Lake Tribune and Deseret News articles where they've interviewed the Kimball family.

This is still a an interest um for Utah history.

And if we can get it outside of the Draper um circle, that would be that I think that would be really cool if we could do that.

And I've actually had um employees who come to my house, talk to me about something and look at the plaque and read it and think it's great or remember and then reminisce about about it.

Um that kind of thing.

Did we have to continue the conversation about collecting those stories though?

And like somewhere to collect them online or something.

Yeah, we talked about having uh kind of a living history, you know, where people could post stories and stuff like that.

I don't know where that went.

Um, I think we talked about it both in the context of Widowmaker and even outside of that.

Put that on the agenda for you could even have that in the event.

People could, you know, bring their stories written, printed or something and you know, share it at the event.

That would be awesome.

Okay.

So on the can I circle back on the event timing?

Because I I am I am a little bit concerned about that.

Um one thing I would like to propose is that um we we get with maybe Rhett and ask him the question, you know, can the site be prepped and media ready?

And that may be a different question than whether the sprinkler pipes are connected.

You know, I I've spent a lot of time on site up there.

I've done trail work in the area, I know that area really well.

I don't think it's gonna be an issue.

I could be wrong.

Rhett might have a better idea of what that looks like when you know cameras are trained on the you know the area post when the concrete goes in.

So, in terms of timing, I really kind of feel strongly that we should try and do that as close to installation as we possibly can.

My personal opinion, having been on site and having an understanding of what the work is going to entail, that we could probably have that look clean and worthy of you know, draper city endorsement um sooner than when the sprinkler pipes are connected.

So if we could ask Rhett to maybe validate that.

I mean, if he says no, like no, absolutely not.

Do it in September, I'll sit down and I'll I'll set my opinion aside.

But I do think we could probably do it sooner than sooner than we're thinking we can.

Yeah, I'll I'll need to get with them.

I mean, it really comes down to their schedule.

Yeah.

Um, public works needs to do their the work first and then uh parks and a rec, but it comes down to their schedule and availability.

Right.

And remember, it's summer right now, so parks is really really busy with all escaping and grass mowing and splash pad openings.

Okay, anything else to add to that.

Okay.

Uh, next item 3K, the Akagi House Tithing Building Tour.

Yeah, that's me.

Okay.

So many times I'm parked out right in front of the house waiting to pick up my kids from school.

And so one day I just decided to go up and talk to the owner.

And he said, and I told him, you know, we'd be interested in looking at the tithing house.

And he said that there's a tree in front of it in the front of the entrance right now that they're need to take out.

So I gave him my number, and he's gonna contact me when they have that done, and then we could schedule to go look at it.

That's cool.

Nice.

Thank you.

That sounds funny and um Jen, can I add to next month's?

Um, I rescued something from the historical society that was going to be thrown in the trash in regard to the Draper bank.

And I want to talk about that next month.

Okay, okay.

I did that out of.

I have it.

I've been offering money for it too.

Okay, that's all that okay.

Okay.

Uh and four review action items for next meeting.

I think we have a few.

Um, okay, Annual coordinate a historical society inventory date.

Um, I'm gonna email Lynn and get uh photos that uh that she took of the building for the Joshua Terry building.

Um Melissa and Annie to continue working on the Draper Days tour.

Um I will go with David on brochures and uh QR codes.

Uh one need to get with Alex on the additional information for the Juneteenth for the website.

Um website information for Native American info or at least a game plan.

Um I'll call Carol about Tina Williams home and I'll get with David to let him know.

Um Krista will continue attending the American 250 committee on working on that.

Um David can continue working with Ray and Linda on the history that they remember.

Um and then I'm gonna get with uh Linda on policy for put it open source footage usage for widowmaker as well as approach.

Great, great.

Anything else?

Um yeah, Lynn is text me and said she's gonna be over if anyone wants to go look at that draper irrigation.

She'll be over there right now.

You just park in the gravel parking lot.

Okay.

Okay.

Um, can I get a motion to adjourn?

I move that we adjourn.

Can I get a second, please?

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay, we're adjourned at 7.15.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Excellent.

I welcome the good line.

Thank you.

I'm also keeping this one.

Did you frame it by the way?

Thank you.