So is there a motion to go into a closed session to discuss litigation?

So move.

Second.

Mr.

Green.

All in favor.

Brand, have you votes?

Yes.

Yes.

Tasha?

Yes.

Alright.

And we want to verify what one you're comfortable with.

Um Hog Taylor did do some research in the county to see what other cities have.

Um most cities don't have a regulation for a minimum stay, and if they do, it's a two-day.

No.

Not that we found we had talked about this a couple months ago when we were talking about it.

Um I think I generally lean towards a two-day just to see if that solves a lot of our problems.

But I remember at the time when we discussed it that there was some input maybe from the police about longer was better.

So I'd love to hear if you have uh I mean I think it would be better if no one ever had a party, right?

So no in uh in the perfect uh uh a crazy party where bad things are happening, but I'd be interested in sort of where the police can have and then we we pulled some.

I'm not sure if it was shared or not yet.

Um I haven't had a chance to digest terms or time lines, but um in the I think eight years that we went back we had 500 incidences um of involvement with word search of short-term rental ERBO, air views maybe things like that.

And our crime analysts little it down to about 80, wasn't it?

About eighty that were significant that that we could actually show some kind of a nexus um between our actions and what was going on in a rental.

I looked at the spreadsheet and not everything was a criminal complaint.

Sometimes the the Airbnb renter, their car had broken into.

So there were calls for service that were related to the occupants needing police assistance.

Yeah, I mean there there were some co there weren't a surprisingly enough, there weren't a lot of noise complaints, but there were some like um there were three or four different domestic violence type, you know, argument type things.

Um there were calls for service after the re the Airbnb renter had left that they left behind possessions or they had damaged the the property, that type of thing.

Um so it doesn't appear that we're getting a lot of calls on parties, but when we do, it's usually pretty significant.

That's only if the officer chose to put anything in there about it.

I mean it's really not an element typically of our unless we had to call the responsible party for the meeting.

So yeah, it's not really one of the qualifying questions we ask for investigators.

So hard to hard to nail it down.

I wonder too how many are the same property over and over again.

Oh funny you should ask.

I did I sorted, I sorted the caller with the address, and there's probably two or three that are are the uh frequent flyers.

And so that's why I'm wondering is with our you know, the standards that we're creating, that that might weed out some of these, you know, kind of bad actors or problematic areas, and that by moving to three to two, we avoid just kind of uh you know, one night parties, bachelorette parties that might be out of control, and whereas you know, like a a wine and dying bachelorette party over a couple days would still be able to come to Draper because they would be behaving respectably, right?

Yeah, just bachelorette or bachelor.

Yeah, I think just about I just have to.

Okay so we have Tasha are you good for two days as opposed to three yeah I mean I think I think I hope that the other restrictions are sufficient to be preventative but I do think we need to look at some of that language in there.

I mean that current commercial I think is a little bit unclear and leads itself to different interpretations but I do share some of my green concerns on these because at the end of the day these are in residential neighborhoods and they're being used as hotels.

And even when they're not hosting big parties they are so disrupted to the neighborhood.

And for example I know the code have a house in their little neighborhood that's just rented constantly by different people coming in and out.

So I think I think the three days is a little bit more prohibitive in general and it's just a question of where do we fit on these you know well I kind of think that because we don't have any current currently we don't have any regulations I think it it might make sense to create some and see how it goes and then if you know we still have problems then maybe revisit you know banning them there are other cities that ban them in Utah so we wouldn't be the only ones to ban them but I I would be curious to see is if we create these regulations and and I agree with you Tasha maybe defining what a commercial then is because that might help too.

But we just create a zone where only STRs are allowed in certain zones.

St George only allows STRs in like free places.

Hawaii only allows STRs in the same places where the tourists are so you can't do that because what it does is it says infrastructures available for these places.

I think our city has got places that are not conducive to these types of things.

So I much rather focus more on geographic location when they're where it makes sense to have them particularly like one to one you know 123rd south corridor and those kind of town homes like allowing in single family homes and single family residences is very problematic.

Not just vehicle traffic but in general comings and goings and the the changeover and I just don't think these key used into it so I I'd look at zones specific zones but I'm not willing to do a citywide or I just ban them I I have well I guess like my question for Jen would be I know when we did the ADUs we did ban them in certain areas where we just thought there's already tight roads and we can't have additional traffic is there any crossover with this are we pushing ADUs to be short term rental no so internal ADUs are not actually going to be eligible to be a short term rental um the point of the internal ADs was creation affordable housing so those will be ineligible for short term rentals.

Okay.

Could we use that same map for this no that's based on on like tightroads and so higher density areas are where they're not allowed an internal ADU so it's probably it probably needs it's on overlay.

It wouldn't need it I mean we we'd have to look at it and see now one thing with that map for ADUs um when state law changed for internal AD use it allowed cities to prohibit them in I think up to 25% of residentially zoned areas so we looked at those neighborhoods that had narrower streets or private streets thinking that it won't allow for on street parking so having multiple units on one lot what makes sense that's how we came up with that map.

State law has changed we can't change that map we can't add properties to that map um as a result of that we actually created a um deviation process for properties on that map so they can there's still an avenue for them to get an ADU but they have to have additional on site.

I think I I like a uh citywide one because the zones where it's more commercial are where the housing is um cheaper, and so it's going to be like the rich areas can't have them, and the areas with small or closer together houses or uh town homes can, and so that feels like a penalty because I can't afford a two million dollar home or something, you know.

It like I I don't know how I don't know the answer to that, but I do think it it feels unfair to the people I think it's rationally related to infrastructure to commercial I think you just have to have the infrastructure to support what's happening.

I guess I like the idea of trying two-day minimum with a bunch of requirements where they have to um you know they I love the we have to be able to so there are some in my neighborhood, and when we can't get a hold of the person, that's the biggest problem.

If I can't get a hold of the owner, so I really like the the owner's supposed to do.