Yeah.

And it's just such a group.

You know?

Yeah.

We have national and then where do you get to the world meet?

I think we're doing that.

And what's there's another one in our code, right?

That's national.

And that's pretty big.

Which is the following year.

Yeah.

Oh, we'll get a piece of that here.

Yeah.

Well, we got national within the we didn't have world a couple of years ago.

So we do we will.

Yeah, I want to promote that.

Yeah.

Oh, we definitely will.

There's a lot of stuff.

I saw there was an article in the panel uh journal or whatever magazine about the map, the world meetings.

Oh good.

Oh good.

Yeah.

So no, it was a great competition.

It was on YouTube.

So we gotta watch it.

We were gonna go out and then uh six in the morning.

Oh, watch it on YouTube.

Exactly.

It's crazy.

That way just whole channel right.

Yeah, like that's great.

It was honored.

No that these talking.

I expect that.

That's always all right.

So Dan, how are you doing?

How about you?

Yeah.

Oh, F Rick.

Yeah.

So it's so much.

So it's what it's very good.

So this is not working?

All right.

Well, I brought my little pointer.

It doesn't seem like it's going to work.

I'll try to jump off into one screen.

Yes, yes.

That's true.

That's true.

Do you know more screen?

Because it's just like a TV and money parts of something that's really good evening, everyone.

I would like to call this meeting of the Eloy Planning and Zoning Commission meeting to order.

Today is Wednesday, September eleventh, and the time is six oh three PM.

May I have a call to uh a roll call, please.

Commissioner Lopez.

Here.

Commissioner Bachda.

Commissioner Gunn.

Commissioner Whitman.

Commissioner Facetto.

Here.

Commissioner Crawford.

Vice Chair Tolson.

And Chairman Paulson.

Present.

Okay, thank you.

We have a quorum.

Um I would like to request everyone stand for a moment and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republicans for all of the much.

We're going to move on to item number four.

I like to see people here.

That's great.

I uh I'm encouraged.

People participate.

Um the uh item four is for public appearances on any items that are not on the agenda.

So is anyone here just wanting to address the commission on a topic of their choice, or are we all looking to uh talk on the uh the uh public hearing okay it looks like we're all here to talk on the public hearing then?

Great.

Um just to remind everyone we do look like we have a number of folks interested in contributing, which is uh like I say outstanding, but we will have to, you know, make sure that you keep your comments brief.

And um and I was told that uh it's good to get as close to the mic as possible when you're making your comments.

And um and I was told that uh it's good to get as close to the mic as possible when you're making your comments uh because this is recorded, you know, as an official record, plus the folks in the audience and the the commissioners up here can hear better when you like stick it right in your nose, basically.

Okay, thank you very much.

Okay, item five.

Uh I'd like a move uh and a motion to approve the August 13th, 2025 meeting minutes of the planning and zoning commission.

Do I have a motion to approve those minutes?

I so move.

Okay, I have a motion.

Do I have a second?

I second.

Okay, I have a motion and I have a second.

Um we might as well have a roll call vote on that.

Commissioner Lopez.

Yay.

Commissioner Whitman?

Yay.

Commissioner Frasetto.

Yes.

And Chairman Paulson.

Yes.

Okay, thank you very much, folks.

The uh motion to approve the minutes is passed unanimously.

Moving on to item six, new business.

Uh possible discussion and/or action on the following.

Now just for everyone's uh background here, there are three separate requests here just because of technical aspects of zoning and so forth and so on, but it's one uh request uh in total.

So we're gonna vote on the the package, if you will.

But just so you know there are three separate um requests that like you say, like I say, are are due to the intricacies of uh the zoning ordinances and so forth.

Okay.

All right, so let me read the uh the item here.

Item A is to conduct the public hearing and make a recommendation to the Eli City Council on the following cases.

Uh the first one is GPA 2025-003.

The second case is RZPAD 2005-63.

And the third is CUP 2025-008.

And this is all regards to the Hideout Ranch Entertainment Center.

It's a request by Tanner Peterson on behalf of Peterson Eloy 501 LLC for a minor general plan amendment to the parks slash open space to communicate uh to community commercial, a request for an amendment to the planning and zoning map or rezoning from open space recreational or OSR, uh multiple family residential R3, and single family residential R1-6.

Those are all together, uh, with a planned area development overlay or PAD to the general to two general commercial C2 PAD with modified design, development, and land use standards.

And the third part is a conditional use permit for commercial entertainment outdoors on approximately 19.75 acres located at 1505 North Toltec Road and 3500 West Clubhouse Drive.

I know that's a lot to digest, but like I said, there's three different items in here, and we'll uh discuss these.

So I'd like to uh open the public hearing.

Um Mr.

Simmer, do you do you have some any initial uh remarks that you'd like to share with everyone?

Yes, sir.

Okay, thank you, sir.

Yes, chair, thank you.

The item before you, as you indicated is for three cases.

It is a minor general plan amendment rezoning and a conditional use permit.

It only affects 20 acres of the total about 600 and some odd acre site.

The it's located on the west half, uh sorry, east half of the development.

And as it pertains to the remainder of the project and let the public knows we do not have any applications on that, and nor do we have any information to discuss on that at this time.

So if the public comes forward, please keep it to just this application.

Um staff is recommending approval subject to the attached stipulations, which are uh two different sets of stipulations, one for the rezoning and one for the conditional use permit.

They are very similar, but um they address different elements of the development.

Uh so at this time uh we are recommending approval subject to those stipulations.

Okay, thank you very much, sir.

Um is there uh anyone from the pub or well, first maybe is Mr.

Tanner here?

Oh, there he is.

All right.

What what what why don't you come up and just explain what what you have up your sleeve?

Oh no, your sleeves are rolled up, so there's not too much there.

But uh yeah, and and like I said, please make sure you like I do speak into the mic.

Okay.

Okay, perfect.

Uh thank you, commissioners.

I appreciate uh the opportunity to be here.

Again, my name is Tanner Peterson, address 3369 East Queen Creek Road, suite 101 in Gilbert, Arizona.

Uh Dan, did you get a chance to get that linked?

Was it not working?

Okay.

Is there a way I can send the presentation really quick because I want to make sure that everyone has a chance to see some visuals.

Uh for me, I'm a visual learner.

I want to make sure that we're all on the same page instead of me just uh sing some words.

So let me know what's the best uh try and send it to my email again.

I'll go in the back and get it, see if I can get it.

Okay, and you let me know.

Let's see.

I'll do it right now.

I don't know.

Technology is wonderful when it works.

Don't you love it?

I always have uh I love Zoom, you know.

The I think the one good thing that came out of COVID was everyone was forced to start using Zoom, but at the same time, half the time Zoom doesn't even work for me.

So you gotta love it, but at the same time it's kind of a pain in the butt every once in a while.

Well, just to go ahead and I'll hopefully they'll get the presentation up soon.

But again, um I just want to really point out I do love the attendance here.

I've been to several uh PNZ meetings, council meetings where you know you don't get hardly any attendance or any input.

And so, as me as a developer, as we progress in a project, you know, we we try to do our best to make sure we get as much input as possible because at this stage, you know, in you know, I I've met with with many members of the community.

Is there are certain things that can be changed around and and uh molded uh to make sure that it's a net positive for everyone and a good experience, but when people don't voice any concerns or questions, then when we're further down the road, it's already set in stone and it's just hard to undo certain things.

So the fact that I think I counted 22 people here if I if I know my math, but uh I love the fact that we actually have some input and we've had uh two public hearings, uh one July 31st and one September 9th, I believe.

Uh and we've had some fantastic turnout, and I've had uh some great conversations and had great uh uh great comments and and and uh was able to answer some some questions, concerns.

So I'll go ahead and start.

I got the presentation on my phone, and I do apologize.

Uh commissioner, you let me know if I should just pause or if I should go ahead and get started, or uh what what would you recommend?

I would recommend we just plow ahead and we'll you know if we we'll have plenty of time for input and maybe we'll get the technology working uh by that time.

Sounds good.

Thank you.

It's actually probably a good thing.

We're the only one on the agenda today.

We might need the entire time.

Uh so as was mentioned in the case hearings, there are gonna be three uh cases today.

Um one is for the general plan, and as I've mentioned, is uh we're we're going from an open uh open space to a community commercial uh general plan, and then also the second one case RZPAD.

Uh we are going from a zoning um change from OSR multi-family residential, single family residential to a PAD commercial.

Um I know there has been um again there's a lot of acronyms, a lot of words, and uh I've had this question a couple of times for the community.

Uh questions of you know, are you guys switching to multifamily?

Is it gonna be apartment complexes?

And the answer is no.

Thanks, Dan.

Sorry, sometimes that way it's just uh it was the it was the the system that doesn't always accept the um the uh drop box.

Okay.

It's probably something with the security here at the Eloy server end, you know.

So I apologize.

It's been a it's been a long day.

Well, hopefully, once we get this up, we can all see on the screens here.

I'll try to zoom up as far as I can.

Um, I guess I continue talking as long as I speak loud.

Is that or would you rather have me continue speaking the mic?

I think you can put that mic down.

Oh, can I probably when I'm going to move this around?

Yeah, oh, it's wireless.

All right, well, that works too.

So you can you can be like like somebody on uh dancing with stars or I was gonna say, I feel like it's like a comedy club right now.

So you guys ready?

Okay, I'll try not to crack too many jokes.

Uh so and then the third case.

Oh wow, you did it.

That's awesome.

Almost, I just need to get up there now.

All right, let's see if this works.

Okay, and then the third case, obviously, is the conditional use permit for the commercial entertainment outdoors on the 19.75 acres.

So once I get the slides up here, obviously the location we all know where it's at.

I don't think that's a surprise to anybody there.

Um the project overview.

Again, I've met with most of the people here look very familiar and we've spoken before.

Uh obviously is to repurpose the vacant uh former San Miguel golf course, restoring the clubhouse into a restaurant and also an event center.

And then for outdoor spaces, it uh to be able to do weddings, corporate gatherings, music, community gatherings in the family in family areas, and the goal is to preserve site character and to provide Eloy residents a uh community hub where they can gather and and bring their families and and loved ones.

Um I'm gonna go ahead and skip these slides since they're mostly just visual slides.

I can see them, yes.

Oh, you guys can see them here?

It's not projecting up there.

Okay, well, let me see.

Okay.

Oh, oh, wait.

I just pushed a button.

Did it work?

Well, I changed ours, yeah.

Okay, good.

Okay, perfect.

So I guess we're gonna work on the visual for you guys, but I guess we'll just continue to move forward with the commissioners.

Hey, I want you guys to know I spent a lot of time on these slides, and I was about to be very disappointed that they weren't gonna pop up.

Man, wonderful, by the way.

Thank you.

I I appreciate that because honestly, I'll tell you the try to figure out the theme of these slides.

I think this took me about 20 minutes, just this one slide.

So I appreciate any praise or applause or anything like that, but that's okay.

All right, so this is just what I went over really quickly.

Again, the location.

Uh, this I just read this project overview.

Obviously, we're if you're not familiar with it, you know, there's 19.7 acres just right on the clubhouse and directly right behind it that we're gonna be discussing.

And I did something.

What did I do?

Okay, I'm gonna try not to mess it up.

Uh, this is just back to what I discussed.

I wish I had a little pointer, a little laser thingy.

Uh, so the existing general plan is currently park open space.

The proposed is commer community commercial, so just a little outline right there.

Uh so this is obviously one reason why uh in order to do what we're trying to do.

This is just the first step in order to lay this foundation is to change the the general plan to amend it.

Um next is the zoning.

So as I discussed earlier, you got the zoning was an OSR R3 and R16, and we are proposing the zoning to be a commercial, a C2 PAD.

And so, like I mentioned before, there was some concerns about like uh like high-rise uh apartment complex buildings going in, and just so everyone's aware that that is not the case.

Um, R3 allows for a high residential uh uh uh complex or it's a high density, so we're actually getting rid of that.

So uh so that's something that's not gonna be there any longer.

Uh here's some some uh concepts of what we're kind of imagining out there.

And what we're trying to do is get community input, try to get the correct theme, the correct vibe.

We know this is going to be a family-oriented area.

This is not going to be a you know a saloon or a bar only type thing where you're gonna be drawing a you know, I guess riff raff in a way.

You can you can mention it that way, but it's gonna be very uh family-oriented.

Uh some pictures up there.

If you guys ever been to Santon Flats, uh they have a nice little outdoor area with picnic tables in Santin Valley.

Uh, there's a couple pictures up there of some places up north in the the Payson area.

Uh we've got uh Pecan Lake Entertainment Center in Queen Creek with those picnic tables.

So the whole goal here is to have a very community vibe where everyone can gather and just enjoy some some lunch and enjoy some entertainment.

Uh here's some additional uh pictures.

Again, going back to getting input from the community.

Uh there are some things that you know, are we gonna do mechanical bull riding?

We don't know.

Is that something the community wants?

You know, that might be something we add.

Are we gonna are we gonna do cornhole?

Are we gonna do ping pong?

Are we gonna do you know just small trivial type things to to for people to go and to have fun?

Uh, you know, we've had some fantastic some insights, and so that's just something that we're I've received a lot of great comments on what would be a good thing to put here.

Um so any any uh additional insights from the community is always welcome.

Uh here's another uh kind of concepts for the stage.

Again, we do want to have uh some live entertainment there where people can come in and can book the venue and whether they uh you know we we always talk about uh you know, growing up in Queen Creek, uh we didn't really have any place to go to back in you know 1998 uh where we can really gather.

I know the only place at the time was the Olive Mill, and that place is fantastic if you've ever been there.

A very fun little gathering place.

And so we're trying to, we want to do something similar vibe-wise down here where you can have your local bands, you can have your schools, you can have your communities, your choir concerts, you can have uh groups come out and to perform.

Uh, and we understand that I you know, I think more than half the time the stage won't be used, uh, but I think the majority of the time we're gonna have uh some a lot of local groups coming in.

But you know, we also want to try to draw you know people outside of just the Eloy community.

We also want to draw people from you know from Tucson from the Phoenix area, from you know, areas where uh you know there's gonna be um you know more of a more of a hive of people coming and you know gathering and and having uh you know a fun time.

And then obviously the last slide is you know, just doing some kind of wedding event type center where we can hold corporate events, we can hold weddings.

Um again, these are just conceptual uh snippets, but I think it kind of shares a vibe that we're trying to aim towards.

And I think this next slide.

I really hope that we can see this.

Is there a way to zoom in on this thing?

Can I zoom in?

There is not.

All right.

So man, this is so hard.

So in there's a in the green, right underneath the blue.

So the blue is the parking lot, just to give us all a reference.

The blue is the parking lot, especially for those who can't see in the back.

Oh, yeah, you can move your cursor.

Oh what's your what's your IQ?

Because mine's way below your IQ right now.

Okay, perfect.

Thanks.

I mean, I need to go back to school.

Commissioners, I apologize.

You know, this is uh this is gonna be a fun night.

Um, so you got your parking lot right here.

You've got your clubhouse, your restaurant right here.

And then we're we're wanting to do a little spot right here where we can have you know local food trucks come over and you know uh and and set up shop and and to sell, you know, I don't know what kind of uh food trucks uh would we would uh end up having there, whether it's a waffle love truck or a you know, dessert truck or burrito truck or you know, whatever it is, uh, but we want to have an opportunity to hold those and also do um trucks where it's more of a seasonal thing.

I know my father, Kevin, he always talks about up in Taylor up in northern Arizona growing up, they always had the best sweet corn.

And he always mentioned how the sweet corn up there is like no other sweet corn, and you always went to this little farmer's market and you always bought the sweet corn.

So that's just kind of a silly idea where you know he he thought about hey, let's bring some sweet corn down here, you know.

Let's let's let's make it a uh a fun place where we can have food vendors that not necessarily um you can really find anywhere else.

So a little food court there, and then as you kind of walk down this path, so there's a big circular uh cart path right here with uh uh the event lawn right here.

Now, this big red area, that's what we've got right now, earmarked for uh seating picnic tables.

Uh it's gonna be probably a decomposed granite with some turf where people can sit, gather and eat once they have the restaurant, they can come outside and we'll have cornhole, we'll have you know different little fun games just kind of sprinkled around this event lawn area, and as you can see right here in the purple, this is where we're planning the stage to be right there.

And again, the communities in the houses are off to the west.

Our plan is having the stage pointing to the northeast direction, right towards the freeway.

And so, and that's in a later slide, I'll be talking about the noise and a couple of concerns I've heard from the community.

Uh so whenever we do have events, people can be able to sit over here, sit in the grass, sit at the picnic tables, enjoy you know, whatever performance is happening.

And Dan, you let me know if I'm getting past my 10 minute limit because I can talk for 30 if you let me.

Okay.

Okay, and then just kind of moving on.

So here at the restaurant, just east of it.

This is where we're gonna have our our wedding venue slash event area.

So this is where we're gonna have some kind of either uh structure or some kind of tent to hold these corporate events or these weddings.

And then right here in the green, we're kind of thinking of this as a play area, maybe put a playground or put a put a just a bunch of spots where kids can run around and have fun and uh maybe a sand, a big sandbox area where they just play in the sand, you know, just kind of different activities for kids.

So when young families come and they eat, they can just sit there and watch their kids just play around and have fun.

And then right here in the orange, we uh have planned right there as a kind of a farmer's market.

We we believe in you know, and it's a one great thing in Santan Valley in Queen Creek area.

Uh, there's a couple of locations where they do farmers markets on every Saturday morning, especially at the Olive Mill, and it's it's a fantastic hit.

You know, we love seeing the community and it gather.

And so we like to do something similar here where we can have vendors come up, pop up tents, have you know, five, ten tents along this little path right here, sell their little goods, uh, you know, sell whatever it is, you know, vegetables, fruits, you know, whatever they want to sell and put potentially make this a monthly thing, make this a weekly thing.

You know, this is gonna be kind of based on the community.

You know, what is what does the community want?

Do they want to do a weekly thing?

Do they want to do a monthly thing?

So again, this is one of those things I mentioned earlier where at this stage we can mold things as much as we want.

And so we just need uh to get as much input from the community as possible to know what everybody would like in this area, and then what you're gonna see is kind of all in this this turquoise color.

So that one is uh currently that's kind of uh open, it's gonna be open space during this phase.

Uh but we are kind of gonna keep that open space until we figure out what's the next step, what we want to do next in this area.

Is this again?

I I bring up Barney Farms.

If you guys ever been up to Barney Farms or up to Schneff Farms as well in Queen Creek, Schnaff Farms, how you go in there, it's like a fun little place where you can walk around and there's there's blow up things where people jump on, there's nicer playgrounds, you know, it's a really fun uh community entertainment type.

Uh and so we're kind of leaving that open for now, just kind of see how this first phase does.

We hope and we expect it to be successful, and then once we get a good footing on how it's how it's doing, then we can start getting our creative juices flowing on.

Okay, what is the rest of the site look like?

Whew.

Man, my mouth's getting a little dry up here.

All right.

Uh community economic benefits, obviously, job, local employment.

So it will create positions and the dining event service, hospitality, property management, supports small businesses, uh, catering musicians, rental companies, uh, boosts local economy and tax base.

It will generate sales tax revenues for the you know, dining, wedding events, and uh it will attract other visitors as well, creates a dining entertainment hub.

Uh, you know, one thing that I've been hearing a lot is Casa Grand gets a lot of attention and gets a lot of uh people going up that direction uh from Eloy from Arizona City.

So we want to try to keep as much uh money here in the community as much as possible.

And so we hope that this is uh one way to do that instead of having everyone just drive straight to Casagran without even thinking about it.

Uh revitalizes and repurposes existing infrastructure, uh consistent with city plans.

Uh so I'm not gonna go through all of this in detail, but redevelopment vacant under you underutilized land, encourages employment and commercial activity, support adaptive adaptive reuse structures, and it's loaded located within a good growth area.

And again, there's anyone in the audience.

If you guys want these slides, I'm just shooting your email.

I probably have your email, I'll just shoot it to you.

Um public outreach, that's my biggest thing is when we so we opened up the hideout steakhouse in Casa Grand with our good friend Todd Gillespie, who's the operator down there.

And we were always we opened up in this middle of COVID, and at the time we were investing a lot of money into something we had no idea if it was going to be successful or not.

And I was uh telling some of the community that location, it's doing great, but that location, if the community did not accept it the way that they have, then we would not be running today.

We would have been closed because the moment we opened up, we had such loving support from the people in Castle Gran, the people in Eloy, the people in Maricopa, they all come down and drive down to the hideout.

And without that community support, then we would have been shut down a long time ago.

So the same thing is here.

We believe, and we're 100, I'm I'm 100% positive that I 100% believe that if we don't have community support, then this place will be open for six months, they'll close straight down.

And so that's why I put such a huge emphasis on public outreach.

Sorry, I keep turning back to to you know everyone back here, but you know, I've talked to the you know, many of these members out here several times.

Uh, you know, aside from the two public hearings, I've met with people, you know, on site a few times.

I've taken many phone calls on that July 31st, we had 32 attendees.

September 9th, we had about 18 attendees.

And I do want to point out, though there's a lot of voices of concern in different aspects.

I have not heard anyone who is strictly opposed to the project.

Um, so I I did want to point that out, and again, maybe I'm completely wrong, maybe they might all come up here and oppose it, but um, I I believe that uh having a good two-way communication where I list we listen to their concerns and you know, making sure that we're just good neighbors.

So four of the main concerns is you know, traffic is security, noise, and what I mentioned earlier, the high density residential is something I've heard several times.

So I want to go ahead and just address those really quickly.

I'm not gonna spend a whole lot of time on this.

Uh traffic.

So again, that's something over the next 30 to 60 days.

We are gonna be working with the city to make sure that the traffic gets um has a proper look at it to make sure we address those concerns.

Um again, we don't know what kind of traffic we're going to pull into this area.

We have no idea if we're gonna get a hundred cars a day.

We have no idea if we're gonna get 500 cars a day.

Uh so it's just one of those a thousand cards that we have no idea at this point.

And so it's one of those field of dreams where we hope once you build it, they will come.

And so we're gonna be meeting, you know, we've met with Dan several times, and you know, uh McKenzie, David, you know, everyone's been fantastic at the city.

And one reason someone had pointed out why why are you taking so long to get open?

You know, you keep seems like you keep pushing back a few months here and a few months there.

Well, it's because the the good vision of the city, they want to make sure this doesn't just get passed through blindly.

We want to make sure we do it right, we want to make sure that there's no corners being cut.

We want to make sure that whatever we do here is sustainable, and that's the key key the key thing is whatever we do here.

We don't want to just visualize the instant moment today.

We want to make sure that we plan ahead for what's down the road.

So we will be talking with uh with staff on making sure that uh whatever level of traffic we have, that there's certain mechanisms in place to account for the traffic.

Uh for parking, we have about 195 existing spaces out there, and we got about four acres up to the north and to the to the west of potential overflow, which equates to about another 460 spaces, which is about 655 spaces.

So again, I'm just pointing out there that we've got a lot of uh potential parking.

Will we ever fill up all that overflow?

Maybe, maybe not.

Um, but just to know that that is there.

Um kind of just going over the same things I just I just mentioned.

I've actually went this is actually in regards to the security measures.

Same thing.

We're gonna be working with the city to make sure that there is security in place, because the last thing, you know, obviously we want to make sure that whatever happens is not going to affect the nearby neighbors, but also just it's just good business practice.

We want to make sure it's a family safe place.

And the moment it's not a family safe place, then obviously we're not gonna do well as a business.

So uh that that's kind of uh, you know, yes, we're gonna be doing it to help them, but also we'll be doing it to help us as well to make sure that there's proper security in place.

Um the noise, I think this is probably the number one issue aside with the traffic.

So I went out there on what was this last Saturday, this past Saturday.

I went out there where we're gonna put the stage, and I for a full straight hour, I uh went ahead and put my my stereo on my truck all the way to the max level, and I was blaring my horn.

And the song that we played, I don't know if you guys ever heard of Fallout Boy.

Some of the younger people might know who they are, but um no offense or anything like that.

It's just sorry, I put it.

You should have been playing a song by maybe the Rolling Stones or uh I should have, but I needed something a little bit more loud and more, you know, we could have on Led Zeppelin then.

I should have done Led Zeppelin, yeah.

That would have been good.

I had Frank Sinatra, I just knew that wasn't gonna cut it.

So um, anyway, so I went out there and you know, if after this meeting, if anybody wants to go out there and check out my stereo system, my truck, it's it's a it's a good stereo system.

Um, so not a controlled stage, not I'm not I'm not doing obviously there's no south, east, and west having direction going sound going one direction.

There was wind that day, eight miles per hour in the northwest direction during this time of the test.

And the closest resident, did I put an image?

No, I didn't.

The closest resident is eight to eight hundred feet to the stage, and then obviously it goes up to two thousand feet.

So there is some good amount of buffer uh between the stage and the nearest residence.

Um, and I did do an independent noise study.

Again, I'm not a professional, but we did get a professional grade decibel meter.

And I went out there again.

I didn't, I I guess I don't I didn't have to do this.

I just kind of did it just for my own curiosity, but also I just want to make sure that the public knows that you know we're we're we're responsible.

We want to make sure that we're doing our due diligence, we're doing what we need to do in order to make sure we're good neighbors.

And so the results sound levels were well within noise of city ordinance noise.

Um these are just some pictures of exactly uh uh what was found.

So right at the speakers, just so you all know without any sound, it was a windy day.

So the decibels were about 76 at the stage with no sound on, and then the song fluctuates obviously.

So it went between 107 to about 120 decibels.

And just to give you some context, choir concerts are between 90 and 95 decibels.

A rock concert at that same location right at the speaker is between 105 to 125, and then wedding music 75 to 95.

Uh so we kind of use that as a basis.

So the the sound that was coming from my speakers was kind of equivalent to that of a very loud rock concert.

So that's kind of again.

I'm not by any means saying I'm a professional at this.

I was just trying to uh show an example.

And so I walked 270 feet to the patio with the same music blaring.

Um, and you can see without any sound mute any any sound, it was about 67 decibels.

Uh the minimum sound was 75 and reached to almost 80 decibels, and between the stage to the patio is about a 40 decibel drop.

Now to the nearest house, which is about 800 feet again with no sound, just the wind blowing, uh 57 decibels, and then the minimum sound was 57 decibels, and the max was 66.

So there was still it was picking up a little bit, but most of the decibel had dropped, so it dropped 53 decibels at that location.

And then I just went ahead and measured off to the west side.

Um to those houses over there.

So I measured about 1700 feet instead of 1800 feet.

Natural was about 47 to 52 decibels.

Minimum was 47, and then max was 52.

So in when we were out there, you couldn't hear the music or anything.

You couldn't hear the horn blaring of the music.

It was there's no sound coming through.

Um here's just a distance check just to verify the distances that I drove out there.

Uh high density residential.

I went through that.

Um so conclusion, obviously, we seek approval uh and to transform the project from a liability into a community asset.

Um again, if if some of you may not be familiar with centuries from Fallout Boy, this is kind of the I don't know.

So it's like this very uh upbeat rock type music.

But anyways, that's the the gist of my presentation.

Um I guess I'll go ahead and open for questions, or I'll just go sit back down and okay.

Well, uh, thank you very much, Tanner.

That was a very nice presentation.

I think what we'll do is we'll have you rest your voice, and then we'll open it up to uh questions.

And if you need to respond, or we you're asked to respond, then we'll we'll take it from there, okay?

Thank you.

Okay, thank you, sir.

All right.

So we have a number of folks who are probably here to uh address the commission and you know have their voices heard, which like uh let me pontificate for a moment, just like Tanner said a change like this because it is near where people live, and the they've invested their hard-earned money in those homes.

Um it is important that this is uh supported by the community and wholeheartedly supported by the community because as Tanner said, the the that's a key to uh his success and to the success of the the venture and really to to your community as well.

So um do I have someone who would like to come and address the uh commission with either question statements or whatever okay?

Well that's there, okay.

Go ahead.

Okay, well, I don't have any.

Okay, well, yeah, well, I don't I don't have to I don't I don't have a list, so just just come on up and um as I said, please please state your name.

Oh, there's a list.

Hey, oh okay.

All right, so now we do have a list.

Thank you.

Um so please state your name, uh, your address, and then uh have your say.

Thank you very much, sir.

Okay, my name is James Canary, and I am a resident at 1217 North Fairway Drive.

And I drew the short straw, so I get to read this for uh Pastor Ken Blondo, who has church tonight.

Um we are writing, and this and there are uh 14 people in our neighborhood that signed this, and there's 27 people, and I'll I'll hand this over to you when I'm done.

Just it's just a public statement.

Uh we are writing to express our strong support for the proposal rezoning that will allow the development of the Hide Out Ranch Entertainment Center, 19.75 acres at the existing site of the San Miguel Golf Course Clubhouse area.

We believe the project represents a tremendous opportunity to enrich our community, foster economic growth, and create a valuable space for residents and visitors alike.

The Hideout Ranch Entertainment Center is designed to bring family-friendly recreational options, event space, and indoor outdoor experiences to our area, supporting both local community engagement and tourism by providing new venues for gatherings, entertainment, and special events, it will enhance the quality of life for local residents and attract visitors who will support nearby businesses.

This project also has a potential to create new jobs during both the construction and operational phases.

Proposed design respects the characters of our community and promises to maintain environmental stewardship while developing much needed amenities.

We believe that the Hide Out Ranch Entertainment Center will serve as a vital community asset and a positive step forward in the thoughtful growth of our area.

For these reasons, we respectfully request that you approve the rezoning necessary for this project to move forward.

I appreciate your time and consideration.

Okay, thank you very much.

That was uh that was an outstanding uh letter.

Did you have an attorney write that?

Uh Pastor Ken.

Wow.

Okay, well, tell him that I'm very impressed.

That was very well done.

Thank you very much, sir.

Okay, the uh next person.

Uh Wendell.

Wendy?

Is it Wendy?

Oh, uh W E N D I.

Oh, that's you.

So somebody in your family had dental work.

That's I'm gonna read his letter next.

Yes.

Oh, I feel great sympathy.

I have had plenty of dental work as well.

These are copies for the okay.

So if you could state your name and address and have at it.

Okay, come on.

Whoops.

Oh well, I'm gonna just do this here.

Thank you.

Um my name is Wendy Beckerdyte, and my husband, oh, and well, my it's in my letter.

So my husband Ron and I have owned a home at 1137 North Fairway Drive for over 15 years.

I'm here tonight to speak about the rezoning of 19.75 acres of the former San Miguel Golf Course.

As you know, a restaurant at the former clubhouse can happen even if this property is not rezoned.

Having a great restaurant near our small 55 plus neighborhood would be fabulous, and I look forward to eating there.

I attended a meeting last week at the former clubhouse and left with so many questions unanswered.

I urge the commission to deny the rezoning of the pro this property until we have more information and the Peterson group can ensure more precise details.

I love music.

It is such a powerful thing, and I have been a part of it for most of my life.

I actually have experience working at venues with live music.

Unfortunately, one of the problems that can appear in these outdoor venues is drugs.

The safety of our community is a concern.

I hope you will take a moment to think about the serious issues that the Hideout Ranch would bring to our well-maintained gated community.

I personally don't feel safe just thinking about the what ifs.

Thank you so much for your time and consideration this evening.

Respectfully, Wendy Backardite.

Next, I will read my husband's uh letter that um I don't think you'd be able to understand because he's um with this dental stuff that he had done.

My name is Ron Beckerdite, and I have concerns regarding the Hideout Ranch proposal.

We have owned a home in the Grand Valley Ranch neighborhood in Eloy since 2001.

We have enjoyed the quiet 55 plus community and its residents.

We were disappointed when the golf course left, but we still enjoyed the peaceful neighborhood.

The news of new development is good, yet the possibility of large musical venues or possibility of a large music musical venue is concerning on several levels.

The Peterson Group proposals make everything seem minimal and easy to mitigate.

My thoughts go to the traffic and noise.

I hope someone is doing a traffic study to see what effect this number of vehicles would have on the area.

With the new love truck, love's truck stop going in, this intersection could become a serious choke point choke point.

If there was a medical emergency in our neighborhood, the traffic could delay emergency vehicles and needed care.

Sound levels travel very well in the desert, especially at night.

The proximity of the proposed stage will provide homeowners with plenty of entertainment, wanted or not.

Additionally, large crowds of people will require public facilities and restrooms.

Right now, our major concern is that these proposals are fully vetted and consideration is given to the local residents and their quality of life.

Please deny the request for the Peterson Group until the appropriate studies have been completed and a determination is made as to the effects on the local residents.

Thank you for your time this evening.

Respectfully, we're on Burger Dight.

Okay, thank you very much for your input.

We appreciate that.

Okay, now I'm looking at uh Marilyn.

I have trouble reading handwriting, I'm sorry.

It starts with an MAR.

So if that's your name, come on up.

Hello, members of the commission.

My name is Marlis McNeil.

My husband Charles McNeil and I live at 1229 North Fairway Drive in the village of Grand Valley Ranch, which is adjacent to the subject property that is before you this evening.

We purchased our home a year ago because my husband is terminally ill, and it was imperative that we become closer to better health care and our family that live at the village.

There is a well-known legal term used in property law called quiet enjoyment, which means according to Chat GBT, yes, I actually know what that is, even though I'm old.

Which means you have the right to possess and use your property without interference.

Our backyard is less than 18 feet away from the land that is owned by the Peterson Group, not the land that he's they're asking to have rezoned right now, but land that they will ultimately develop.

This morning, Mr.

Peter Peterson was gracious enough to allow a few homeowners from our community to walk the 19.75 acres that they are asking to have rezoned this evening.

As he showed us where the stage was and would be placed in an elevated area on their land, it was easy for me to envision that if approved by this commission, our quiet enjoyment of our property will be impacted.

Even with the strategies the developer plans to put in place, and especially during the weekends and evenings when we finally have a respite from the many doctor appointments that we must attend each week.

In addition, I'm quite concerned about additional traffic in and out of the Hide Out Ranch facility and what it will do to our emergency response time for the residents that live in our subdivision, especially with the new traffic that we will have from the Love's truck stop that is just now being built on Toltec Road, further increasing the now we have excellent response times, but once that truck stop is going to be opened, it's going to get worse.

In closing, I would hope that you realize that statistically, 45% of our subdivision homeowners have not even returned from their homes in other areas of the country.

Because many of us, you can look at the audience tonight and see how many of us are concerned.

You can look at the letter that was presented to you that said 14 residents want this to happen.

There's so many here that you'll hear more other views.

So you can see that this is something we're very interested in.

So we you may want to consider waiting until more of the homeowners come here so they too can see firsthand what we've been able to see thus far.

I would suggest that you put off any decision making on this important property until at least November 15th.

I appreciate your time this evening.

Thank you very much.

Okay, thank you for your input.

We appreciate that.

Okay, now I think I can read this one.

It looks like C-O-N-N-I-E.

Mr.

Mayor and Council, my name is Connie Partridge.

I live at 1054 North Fairway Drive.

Um first of all, I have a question.

Um when we came here, I was on my understanding that we were going to there was going to be the zone for the 19.75 acres, and now there has been other things added.

And um what exactly is general commercial C2?

What does that classify?

What does that mean that they can um develop if all of the land is going to be um rezoned to general commercial C2?

So there am I to understand that there will be no residential okay.

Uh Mr.

Simer, would you please address that?

Because I don't want to misspeak.

Certainly.

Uh Commissioner members of the council and the public.

C2 is the general commercial zone.

The PAD allows for modifications to that zone.

The general commercial zone is just that allows for a handful of different commercial uses.

It could be retail, it could be office, it could be just a mantra, different commercials, hotels, um just thinking of your general commercial zone, like for example, where the current hideout is, that that mall is an equivalent type of general commercial use.

All the different restaurants, all the different you know, banks.

It's a pretty much a commercial district.

Can residential be in that zone?

No.

So my to understand that all of the land could be developed into a shopping center or something like that sort.

The conditions of approval stipulate to the site plan that is was shown at uh Tanner showed.

So the only uses that can be developed are those uses that are shown on the site plan.

If they want to do other uses, they would have to come back to the planning commission and city council to amend that site plan.

Okay.

Um my biggest concern is we have been told a lot of different things, and they've been changed many times on us.

So we were really uncertain about what's going to happen to our community.

It is a quiet community, it's a um very close-knit community, and we have enjoyed um, we've enjoyed his golf course, quite frankly.

Um not against family, not at all.

Uh, the restaurant would be a wonderful thing.

I think it would be a great great addition to the community.

We need something that would offer that type of food.

I love the idea of the cowboy dinner that he has proposed.

I have some serious concerns about the entertainment.

He had talked about in the children's area to have a Tonka truck sand bar.

That sounds so wonderful, but we are in a very um remote desert.

There are snakes.

There are coyotes.

I mean, it would be like volcanic heat.

Um I have had two rattlesnakes removed from my property on my front door and in my backyard within the last six weeks.

I've never seen a rattlesnake before, but because they are moving dirt, building houses in our area, they're disturbing nests.

That's a that's a concern for me.

Um the uh let's see.

Um, the outdoor concert area.

I am very concerned about the noise.

I came to the council to ask about what the residential noise uh limit was, and it appears it's like five decimals.

That doesn't sound right when they're talking about music a hundred or so decimals, that's 20 times that.

Um concerned about the traffic.

There's already a lot of traffic on Toltec Road.

I back right up to it, and sometimes it's just deafening.

I don't know where these people are going, but there's a lot of traffic already on the love, um, the love uh center has not even opened the trucking, the truck station.

So that's only gonna get worse.

I'm concerned about emergency emergency vehicles getting through.

If there's a concert of a thousand people, two thousand people like he has suggested, that they're all backed up on a two-lane highway to get in to the concert.

How are we gonna get out of our plan?

How are the emergency people gonna reach us or anybody else?

There are quite a few emergency vehicles travel that road.

So um, and then I I would like to know more exactly what what exactly is gonna happen on that property.

So I'm asking you to postpone approval.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you for your input.

Uh Mr.

Seimer, did you have some input there?

I thank you, Chair.

I was just going to let you know that the three minutes uh was up, so just keep in mind that the public you only have three minutes for your comment.

So okay, thank you.

I was trying to be nice.

No, I just wanted to next we have uh Mr.

Mark.

I won't even try the last name because I can't read it.

Okay, yeah, are you serious?

That's your real name.

Yeah.

Okay, all right.

Go ahead.

Please state your name and your address, sir.

Name's Mark Sprinkles, uh, 3833, West Fairway Drive, Grandy Valley.

And I think most people have discussed most of everything I want to say, and I do like the postponing.

I know uh the tanner wouldn't really like that so much, but uh we'd like our people to come back into the community first, which would be November, like the lady stated.

Uh that's the only thing I have to say.

Uh I'm not besting in this uh restaurant, so I really don't have anything to say about it.

Uh uh I know they're not gonna throw a country thunder there, you know, big wallopaloosers or whatever.

So I just want to say thank you.

Thank you.

I think the gal said about all we need to do and appreciate your involvement.

Okay, thank you, sir.

I appreciate it.

Okay, now it looks like Mr.

Kenneth.

I pass.

You pass.

Thank you.

Appreciate that.

I give you three minutes.

Okay.

Okay, and last on the list is Ms.

Beverly.

Hello, Chairman, Commissioners, the mayor, Mr.

Simer.

My name's Beverly Seekis.

I reside at 1474 North Fairway Drive.

Village Grand Valley Ranch.

Tonight the Peterson group is requesting land use change for the 19.75 acres from residential open park to commercial.

I've read the 73 page document that was attached with today's meeting.

My takeaways have raised the following questions and concerns.

What statistical data from the former San Miguel golf course is being used to compare traffic flow with the proposed commercial entertainment venue?

What is off track betting and where does this fit into the overall family theme?

Phase one showed that condominiums would be built where the retention pond currently is.

Don't you think that 50 vehicles would not create a traffic issue if you had a business event where people come and leave at the same time?

My concerns surround traffic, noise, and drainage.

And after reading the 73 pages, my concerns remain the same.

Based on the submitted proposal, I would only support commercial approval for the restaurant, as there are too many development areas that have been left open ended.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you for your input.

Appreciate it.

Okay, so is there anyone else who would like to uh approach the commission here and have some input?

Okay, looks like everyone's had their chance.

Um Mr.

Simer.

A little advice here.

Shall we have uh Mr.

Tanner come back up to address a few of those concerns during the public hearing?

Chair Bembers of the Council.

Uh I would recommend that you do allow him to uh respond to any comments he has.

That's what I thought, but I just wanted your support.

Okay, Mr.

Tanner.

You've had a number of questions here that have come up.

I don't expect you to have all the answers for them.

Uh, but I do expect you to say, hey, we'll work on these.

Okay, thank you, sir.

Appreciate it.

Thanks, Commissioners.

And I appreciate everyone to come up here, uh, giving their um concerns.

Um, obviously, we don't have any answers to everything, but I did make some notes on here on some items.

I just want to make sure I clarify.

Um I I believe Wendy uh Wendy with an IE talked about potentially opening up the restaurant uh without any of the any of this without going through the PAD, without going through a general plan amendment.

Uh, we tried to explore that, but unfortunately uh the restaurant wasn't accessory to the golf course, so unless there was an active golf course, you can't do anything to the restaurant.

Uh the C and P to the city, I think that they would not add the sure um possibly well.

That's something I can talk speak with Dan on.

Okay.

But the the key thing is we we want to make sure that we don't lose sight of doing something that is more geared towards the this uh community feel that we're trying to do.

I know initially when we first uh purchased the property, um there was an initial thought to hey, let's just use this golf course, or sorry, not the golf course, I apologize, the golf club as a restaurant, just as a private restaurant, specifically for whatever development we end up doing there.

Um for the for you know, uh for the other the rest of the 200 acres.

Um but we uh we decided no, let's let's not make this private.

Uh, but let's make this a public thing where everyone next door neighbors, the community can gather and to to enjoy the restaurant.

Um and then Wendy also, you know, I I want to make sure that everyone here feels that they can always come to me with any questions or concerns.

Um when Wendy mentioned that she left our last meeting with a whole a whole lot of questions left unanswered.

Um, you know, I know we don't have all the answers, and I'm hoping that there's continued dialogue between us and everybody as you know, we don't have the answers to everything, but as we continue down this path trying to figure out, okay, what as we solidify things, what does that look like to have continued support and involvement from the community?

Um kind of going down.

Uh Marlison and Charles, you know, again, she did mention her backyard is 18 feet away from where and that we where we have our property, but again, that's gonna be later down in a on up on a zoning case down the road for the rest of the 200 acres, and we'll make sure that we we speak to to you guys and making sure that we have involvement on that.

Um, again, noise got brought a couple times, and you know, I'm not gonna stand here and say that they will absolutely never ever hear any noise.

You know, it's hard to say something like that.

You can't guarantee it.

Uh, but I was very curious, just being a curious person, doing this test, uh, just really wanting to make sure that whatever we did was reasonable and that the sound didn't carry as a lot of people suggest, where if you have blaring music on this location that's just gonna blare.

Uh there's not gonna be any sound that gets uh muffled through the 800 or 2,000 feet.

But I was just kind of curious more than anything.

So I did show that test to prove that uh once you start getting further down the decibels, it does drop considerably.

Um and so again, we're not gonna be having rock concerts um every single night.

You know, I'm sure on occasion you're gonna have some concerts that uh maybe louder than a choir concert, but I think for the most part, my gut feeling is that there's gonna be uh uh mostly just smaller venues, smaller uh local type things that's gonna happen on the stage there.

Um and you know, there's been some comments on things have changed, you know.

Yes, of course, things are gonna change.

You know, this past year, it's just been we've been throwing out things out there uh to the community to see kind of get a gauge of what gets good reactions, what doesn't get get good reactions, what they like, what they dislike.

And so, yes, there's some molding as I mentioned before and trying to figure out what is what does the community want.

So um, and then Beverly did bring up Beverly.

You're you're awesome, by the way.

I just want to bring that up, you know.

We we've talked in the phone, and you know, we did go on a walk this morning, and you know, she's and to her credit, she does bring up you know, everyone brings up good concerns, and we hope that as we move forward that we'll continue to be in close communication with the community, uh with the city as well.

And uh we want to make sure this is a net positive for everybody, uh, and that everyone's going to, you know, there's uh a mention earlier, like, oh, I'm gonna you know, sell my house and get out dodge as this moves forward.

No, we don't want that to happen.

We're not here to, you know, the you know, the people here they they moved out here for a reason.

And you know, we really hope we don't we're not here trying to make their life more complex or complicated, but we want to add on to their lifestyle and not take you know that lifestyle away.

Uh Beverly did bring up off-track betting.

Um again, that's nothing we're going to do.

That's just it's just part of the C2, part of the whole package.

I mean, we can take it off if you know if we need to, but um, and then uh barely I I missed the the condominiums.

I don't I don't know.

Um I I guess I can probably talk to you afterwards on that part.

That you included show condom menu.

Where the retention product is now.

Okay.

Okay, it's show a condom menu.

Yeah, that must have been an older thing.

That's not that's nothing we got planned.

But I'm just saying that was at the end of the 73 page.

Okay.

Uh uh, let's let's look at that if you don't mind.

I'd like to talk to you about that.

Um anyways, uh those are kind of the the only notes I had, just uh again to the commission were very open book, you know.

We're we I believe that we have uh done a fairly good job at making sure we get community input.

Um and again, I've spoken to many people out of town through the phone through email, and you know, there's obviously the questions they had are no different than the questions that were asked tonight.

So um I've got uh I don't think I've got any other additional uh additional comments here.

So thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

Okay, thank you.

Appreciate the uh update on those items.

Okay.

Any any other input for the public hearing before I close the public hearing?

Mr.

Simon, you you've got a red light there, means you might want to say something.

Just want to say a point of clarification on the condominiums.

Um the original development plan that was approved for this project, including the golf course, not including this project, does include condominiums.

The existing the like I said, the existing approvals, those are there now.

They are not subject to this application, nor can they be considered as part of this application.

Um it is directly west of the retention area, it is zoned R3 multifamily.

Um, it is included in this document because they are required to show adjacent uses.

The but they are not subject to this application.

So those considerations of whether there's condominiums included in with the hideout cannot be considered that's what I thought, but not having the map in front of me and not having a totally photographic memory.

I thought that's what's there now.

The condominiums.

So that's what you're living with right now, the way it's zoned, the way the developer zoned that with his original request.

Okay.

So I'm glad I remembered that clearly.

Okay.

Anyone else at this point in time?

Okay, so I will declare the public hearing closed.

Moving on.

Commissioners.

Do I have any discussion?

Um, I'd like to ask some questions if I could.

Um, absolutely.

Hi.

I hope you're not gonna ask me though, because I'll probably answer them.

Uh no, but to Mr.

Channel, I could ask.

Um, I'm also concerned with the noise.

I'm uh curious as to when you got to perform your experiment.

Uh it was this last Saturday at noon.

Between 11 o'clock to noon, is when I conducted the experiment.

And again, just going back to it.

I you know, I'm we're we're wanting to be good neighbors and responsible neighbors, and so you know, I guess I didn't have to go off and do a decimal test, but you know, again, I just want to make sure that what we did was what we're doing, and we can just show that you know we understand that there is a concern for the noise, and I'm just kind of helping the community just kind of see that um that there is it it'll be mitigated again.

The sound was traveling in all directions.

I've got my horn blaring music all the way up, and what we're kind of proposing is more of a controlled uh environment for the stage versus just the sound going in all directions.

But at night it's a completely different story.

Right.

And so I would be really interested to see that experiment at night for the people that live there.

Um a secondary question was I'm looking at the map as far as entering.

Is there any future like any idea of how you're going to allow the traffic to flow already?

Um, so with the traffic, again, there was some discussion on you know, did you look at previous studies from the existing golf or the previous golf course?

And you know, unfortunately, when we reached out to the ownership, there was no studies, no nothing.

Uh, but there must have been in our mind to having for them required to have a hundred and ninety-five parking stalls built in.

There must have been uh a good demand in that area, and they must have projected for a good amount of traffic in order for them to have the need to install 195 parking stalls, and I don't know the conversion rate, but I think it was like a multiplication, like two point something people per parking stall or something like that.

So there must have been uh uh potential for having three 400 people there at any given point for them to install that many parking stalls.

So um, you know, again, that's just taking a high-level look at it.

Uh, and what we're planning on doing here for our day-to-day restaurant use and some of the event lawn stuff, you know, we we don't expect to have that many people there at one time.

And again, you know, with special events and stuff like that, we'll have special use permits that'll be required, and uh we'll we'll be filling those out.

But again, once you start going out towards the actual Toll Tech Road and Clubhouse for special events, you know, I'm sure there's gonna be some discussions about us needing some kind of uh uh you know uh police out there to to direct traffic.

Um so those are just discussions that we're gonna be having with the city over the next 30 to 60 days to really fine-tune exactly what kind of traffic control needs to happen right there on the main road.

Sorry, I also was curious as to the condition of that road and how that's going to be affected with construction going in and out of that as well.

And if you pause uh for for construction, I'm sorry.

Okay, as far as the condition of the road itself, and like if it's gonna be a one-way entry for all the residents there and construction at the same time, how are we gonna maintain that road so that it doesn't get damaged or anything like that?

Clubhouse drive, yeah.

Yeah, um I I guess when you say the word construction, I guess there's really not gonna be any construction at all.

It's we're just gonna kind of use existing uh but for for traffic coming through there, um, you know, again it's uh it's two-lane, it's uh one lane north, one lane south.

Um, and that's uh something that you know if we at if we understand once we figure out what I apologize for for kind of mumming a little bit, but when we open up, we don't quite know what kind of traffic we're gonna have here.

We have no idea if we open up, we get 50 people a day, 100 people a day, 300 people a day.

So we're we're we're kind of doing, like I said earlier, the field of dreams concept where we're gonna build it and we hope that they're gonna come, but there's a really good chance that we open up and we close our doors in six months because we don't have enough traffic, and so in my opinion, having a traffic issue to a certain extent, um uh maybe a good thing because that means that we need to probably hire you know more people during the busy times in order to have that traffic flow properly.

So hopefully that's your question.

I apologize if I didn't.

No, I think I got an idea that we really don't know what the damage could potentially be.

And and and we and you I unfortunately you just don't know until you open up and kind of see, and you know, obviously we have a good relationship with the city, and you know, we're gonna be in constant communication, and I'm sure, you know, though I probably won't be out here on site every single day, but I do hope you know neighbors will let us know saying, hey, there's this, this, and this, and we gotta fix this, this, and this issue.

And we're more than welcome.

Uh, you know, it's not like once we get this zoning done, or once we get uh everything buttoned up, it's you know, get out of the way.

But we're hoping again, we understand if the community doesn't embrace this, we're gonna fail.

So we want to have a good long-lasting relationship.

So we want to have a good long lasting relationship, and so any input from the community after we open and they start bringing up things for our attention, you know, we're gonna do our best to make sure that uh those things get taken care of.

Thank you.

Yeah, um, yeah, that's good for now.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, thank you, Commissioner.

Anyone else have any input?

Questions?

I have one, I have one question.

Oh, go for it.

One of the conditions for approval stated that there would be a paved road for emergency access to uh Bataglia.

I didn't see anywhere on the drawings that indicated where that may be.

Um so the chair, I can answer that question.

The yeah, if you can just go to the map.

So the overall the clubhouse drive up until the property is a public street.

Um up until three, there's limits on the conditional use permit and the zoning.

They can do up to 300 people outside by right and 150 inside by right.

When they get from the 300 to 600, the fire department is asking for some type of an assessment to be done and consider when those that paved road will come in.

We don't know that's kind of what we were talking about with uh Tanner, and we were talking about over the next few months before we go to council.

At what level and when does that um road have to come in?

And it's more about when the adjacent development happens.

So they're so they're gonna have to do a as part of the adjacent development.

Um we talked about having the TIA done with the adjacent development with the residential and the software, uh, which is a traffic impact analysis.

So when that is defined and having a secondary emergency access, um at that time, they'll have to have that.

Although until that's in place, they're gonna have to run special events and stuff like that.

There will be a uh require there is a requirement regardless for a um ABC or Stone Road to bat for emergency access.

That's required regardless of when the event happens.

So as the other developments come on, that it's that condition is so when the adjacent properties start to develop, then they're gonna have to address this secondary access in a more permanent situation.

And that that's something we've talked about.

It's not uh explicit in this, but it goes it will be in uh a development agreement between the city and the council of when it has to be addressed.

And also, commissioners, we've been in contact with the fire and police department throughout this this uh process.

And so, you know, whatever they require, we make sure that they get what they need so that they can have the access that they need.

And also, I do want to point out someone did mention uh during these larger events.

Um, if there was an emergency, um, you know, how would that affect the the time for them to get there?

Obviously, it's gonna be required of us during those special use permits to give some kind of uh detailed uh security detailed emergency protocol, and during those moments, obviously we'll make sure that the fire department, police department are aware of the I mean they will be aware of the event, and so they'll just if if that road is backed up, um they'll make sure to take an alternate route on batagli in order to get down to uh so they're not stuck in any kind of traffic or being held up.

Okay, thank you, sir.

Any other input?

I don't know, uh Dan, you might know this.

Does the city itself have a time frame where noise uh baiteman has to be followed?

And if not, uh property owner might want to put that in your rules.

Uh as somebody who was planning a wedding this year, uh there was a place in Queen Creek that had a certain cutoff time for uh music and use there's certain vendors that they've used that can will follow those rules to make sure it is not put on the community, and if so uh they go past that, then it's the your responsibility to either get fined or whatever.

Um, but that should be something to think about.

There should be a stop time for the residents around there.

Chair members of the commission, there is a stop time.

It's currently 11 p.m.

for any live entertainment and outdoor music.

The sound decibels are also regulated.

Um between 10 p.m.

and 7 a.m.

it's 85 decibels, and between uh 7 a.m.

and 10 p.m.

it's 90 decibels.

So in Tanner's analysis, I think you were well below that and on most of those, unless you're right next to the speaker.

So I I just didn't know if the city had a rule.

Yes, we do.

If they if they don't, they can adjust it to maybe 10.

Yeah.

The the ambient noise in a residential zone is 65 decibels, and it looks like you're kind of right in there.

So 65 decibels for references.

I love this reference.

We all go to the public restroom and you flush the toilet.

Is the that pressured flush that's 65 decibels?

That's an equivalent to 65 decibels.

So average conversation is between 55 and 65.

So a conversation over a table is about 60, 65 decibels.

Okay, so uh conversation in a restroom is double that?

No.

That's a rock concert.

Yeah.

Well, uh Mr.

Simer, I I I appreciate that image I have now in my head.

Um in all seriousness, I that does bring up a question that I have.

If if we're having um hundreds of people at an event, where where where is the restroom?

They can't all be going into the clubhouse.

Right.

And the word uh that's one of the agreements we got to discuss is based on how many people are there that we're gonna need to have the proper amount of uh you know, either Porter John's or a little bit nicer facilities in order.

And we may even construct a new restroom out there, you know.

That's that's something that we're gonna be discussing in the next 30 to 60 days.

Okay, any anyone else?

Any other input questions?

If I may.

Are you allowed?

I th I thought you were just here to listen.

Okay.

You'll have special dispensation.

Go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, uh, counsel.

First, I'd like to commend the Peterson group for the community engagement portion of their project.

We've worked with quite a few projects here in the city, and not many have been as community active as community-minded, or at least community opening to listening like you guys.

So I I commend that with the Peterson group.

And I'm sure the Peterson group would like this thing to move much quicker.

But it won't.

Because the city's very serious.

We're very serious that the rules we set forth get followed, that our ordinances get followed, and we're not cutting corners on any of that.

So I know they ran into a few issues with that, and they see that we're serious about that.

And to the residents of Grand Valley.

You really you're right there, you're on top of this.

And I want to thank you all for coming out here and taking part in the process that's going on right now.

It seems your community's a little torn.

There's some yeses, there's some no's, but that's okay.

That's okay.

You're taking part in the process.

So I commend you all for that.

And I hope you all keep doing that.

Not only on this project, on any project you see here in the city.

I know a few of you regularly attend, and we really appreciate that because there's no way we're gonna get a hot beat on the community unless you guys show up.

So I want to thank you all for that.

Are you running for higher office?

Maybe about a year from now.

Maybe maybe State Assembly.

Or maybe US Cong No, you're not U.S.

Congress.

No, no.

Don't don't go there.

That's not a good place.

Okay, anyone else got any input?

Any questions?

Okay.

Just to echo our esteemed mayor, I do really appreciate the people taking time to come in and share their views.

Because otherwise we make decisions in a vacuum.

And that vacuum might be okay.

And it might backfire.

So again, we do appreciate you taking the time to come out here and give us your opinions.

Um and uh you know, like I said, spending your time with us.

Appreciate it.

And I'm not running for office.

I'm too old.

Okay.

I don't see any other red buttons.

So now is the time.

I'm looking for a motion.

We can uh either move forward, we can delay, we can reject, we can move forward with stipulations.

So I'm looking at my colleagues here for some uh some advice I say we move for a vote.

I have confidence in the council to uh put the right things in place.

Okay, so just to make sure.

So you're you you're you're making a motion to approve the request as we received it in the 70-some pages.

Okay, so I have a motion to approve.

Do I have a second?

I second it.

Okay, so I have a motion to approve, and I have a mo and I second that motion.

Okay, let's have a roll call, please.

Commissioner Commissioner Lopez?

Nay.

And just because I want to have more information on the power of the noise ordinance stuff.

Commissioner Whitman.

Yes.

Commissioner Forsetto.

Yes.

And Chair Paulson.

No.

And I'm opposing it because I think we need the uh opinions and the input of many residents who are not here at this point in time.

Yep.

Motion fails.

The motion is failed.

Okay.

So do we have another an alternative motion?

Yeah.

Can you I've never officially done a delay, but can we do that?

Chair members of the commission, if you wish to delay, you can let's call do you do a motion for continuance until and if you want specific things addressed, you would do a motion for continuance to you can do it to a date certain, or you can do until say the November or October planning commission.

But um you could just delay to say we continue.

I do a motion for continuance so that we per so that the applicant can provide additional information for ABCDEF.

You can do a motion for uh continuance until the next planning commission meeting, or you can do motion to continue it to the November planning commission.

Um it's up to the chair.

I mean up to the commission uh or the motion maker to make the that uh motion and what they're desiring for the applicant to bring back and for additional information.

Thank you.

So I make a motion for continuance and more information on a study on the noise ordinance at night on where that's gonna be.

A motion to wait until November to the other residents will be here as well.

Okay, so I have a motion to continue based upon that input concerning sound and uh uh uh more input from uh seasonal snowbird residents.

Do I have a second to that motion?

I second.

Okay, I have a motion and I have a second.

May I have a roll call vote, please?

Commissioner Lopez?

Yay.

Commissioner Whitman?

Commissioner Frasetto.

Yes.

And Chairman Paulson.

Aye.

The motion carries unanimously.

So that's the end of the the agenda.

I mean end of that item.

So the the motion was carried.

And so the next time it could come back is at the November hearing.

Uh unless they choose to wait until a further date.

So correct.

Here.

Okay.

So again, thanks for your input.

And we'll do exactly as Mr.

Mayor says.

Move slowly.

But we are moving.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

Moving on to item number seven.

Informational item.

This is simply planning and zoning commission members and staff will update the public on relevant events and activities they've attended since the last meeting and may and any future events, activities, and potential agenda items.

These items are for information only and no action will be taken.

Mr.

Mayor.

Absolutely, Mr.

Chair.

I would just like to bring to the attention of the Commission that resolution number two five one six three one.

It was CUP two two oh two five-zero zero five.

That was the desert septic.

That you guys voted to approve.

It went through a unanimous approval with council as well.

And that's all we have.

Okay, thank you.

Mr.

Somer, do you have anything?

Yes, Chair, thank you.

Um just future council meeting next week, yes, on the twenty second.

We'll be having the general plan consultant do an update to the council on the most recent uh public outreach effort.

So I encourage you to watch that.

Uh we will also be providing that if we have a uh October hearing.

I'm not sure we'll be having an October hearing as of right now.

Uh doesn't look like it, but that's where we're at.

Uh also in October, on October eighteenth, we're gonna be doing the second workshop, public workshop for the open uh for the general plan.

The first one is on the eighteenth, I said at 10 o'clock at Robison Ranch.

Uh the next one is gonna be on October 2nd, which is uh Wednesday, and that is gonna be kind of like an all-day event because we're gonna be doing staff most of the day and we're gonna be having open public, but we'll be open to the public in the act mainly in the evening.

So those are two uh workshops that are coming up.

They're focusing mainly on the general plan use element.

Uh I do encourage you to watch or at least uh send me an email and I can send you the information uh pertaining to those open houses, and I can also send you the information that's going to council next week.

I wanted to wait until I told you that it's coming.

Uh the was very successful.

We've had over 37 contacts, 3700 contacts uh as it pertains to the general plan.

What is a contact?

It doesn't mean everyone is providing input, but it means that they've come in, they we've either talked to them or they've touched our our website and looked at it, read our website about the general plan.

Um this past weekend we had over 180 people stop at our our uh general plan uh little box and uh tent to talk about.

We had a lot of great input there.

People are really excited.

Uh tomorrow I'm doing we I had one kickoff meeting already for the airpark plan.

So the consultant kind of just kind of get them a little bit of direction, but tomorrow's gonna be my really first meeting with them to start talking about public input.

Uh potentially we're looking either October or early November for a joint planning commission city council meeting again, just like we did on the general plan to talk about the community and citizen input of that.

So we have a lot of good things coming up and we will really appreciate your input and your participation in those events thank you.

Okay thank you very much any of my fellow commissioners have anything to say you want to go home I do okay well thank you very much my favorite item is do I have a motion to adjourn this meeting yes seventh motion do I have a second I second okay we're not gonna do a roll call vote I just hereby announced this meeting is adjourned