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Mayor & Board of Aldermen Workshop on July 17, 2024: Discussing Air Gun and Replica Firearm Ordinance

City Council Committee MeetingsWednesday, July 17, 2024
BodyFrederick, Maryland
SessionCity Council Committee Meetings
DateWednesday, July 17, 2024
StatusFILED
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0:17

Good afternoon.

0:18

Welcome to the Mayor and Board of Alderman Workshop for the 17th of July.

0:21

We begin with the Pledge of Allegiance.

0:25

I pledge through the flag of the United States of America and through the Republic for which it stands.

0:31

One nation under God with Liberty and Justice.

0:40

We do expect Aldwoman Nash to be joining us.

0:43

Alderman Shackelford and Alder Woman Kazemchak had previously indicated that they are not available today.

0:48

We have one item on our workshop agenda today, and that is consideration of a proposed amended ordinance to prohibit the possession carrying of air guns, BB guns, replica firearms, and associated weapons.

1:01

Within the city of Frederick, I'm going to turn this over to the Frederick Police Department, Sergeant Murphy, to take us through this proposal.

1:09

Good afternoon, Mayor Board.

1:10

If you can hit the buttons there you go.

1:12

Good afternoon, Mayor Morgan.

1:13

Pull the microphone a little bit closer just so that we can hear you here and out there.

1:19

Sounds good.

1:19

Are we good?

1:20

Thank you.

1:21

All righty.

1:21

So I'm Sergeant Murphy with the Frederick Police Department on behalf of the Frederick Police Department, accompanied by Chief Jason Lando and Mike Fry from City Legal.

1:30

The reason we're here is to propose an amendment to 15-17, which is now the discharge of firearms and guns within the City of Frederick.

1:46

So essentially what brings us here today is the current section prohibits the discharge of any gun.

1:52

It's very vague in the definitions, covers firearms, uh mentions air guns and things like that.

1:59

But there's a lot of in between, there's some there's some missing definitions that are important to an ordinance like this.

2:05

Um as what constitutes a dangerous weapon is important, so we need to add some language to distinguish uh the difference between these types of guns and what their capabilities are.

2:17

Um it's going to include imitation, firearm, replica guns, BB guns, uh, paintball guns, so on and so forth.

2:25

Um the current ordinance addresses only the discharge of these type of types of weapons, so we have to wait um until these firearms and other weapons are discharged before we can do anything about it as far as enforcement.

2:38

Um so brandishing, possessing, concealing the sale and transfer uh specifically to minors, um, and removing safety devices on toy weapons to make them look like real firearms are um great concerns from the public safety standpoint, so we felt it was important to address.

2:59

Uh in 2002, the the Maryland General Assembly wrote in law the seriousness of the handgun violence and gun-related crimes.

3:08

Um they have not addressed any uh legislation or definitions in regards to BB guns and other types of similar weapons.

3:16

Um there is a dangerous weapons uh statute, but it is very fluid depending on the jurisdictions, which has led to numerous municipalities and local governments moving towards their own legislation to fill those gaps, if that makes sense.

3:32

Um my training knowledge and experience, I can tell you that these types of guns and other firearms are carried and used in the commission of crimes.

3:42

Um very misdemeanor stuff to malicious destruction of property all the way up to you know robbery and and serious assault.

3:51

So we have to get together and get a comprehensive update to modernize the the public safety article.

3:58

Can I ask you a practical question on that?

4:00

If someone in the commission of one of these other crimes, uh a threat of robbery or something like that, brandishes a B B gun, which you find out later is a B B gun and not an actual firearm is defined in the law.

4:15

Is there a difference in what you can charge under those circumstances?

4:19

So depending on the jurisdictions.

4:21

Um here in Frederick, it's it's hit or miss as to who's prosecuting it.

4:26

Um but if it is perceived to be the gun, a real gun, um, they will pursue um the robbery charges because it's what the the victim perceives at that moment in time.

4:40

But in order to catch, say a perpetrator or an offender ahead of time, we would have to encounter these individuals.

4:47

And we handle it as if it was a real gun.

4:50

So if we get a call, you know, a person's possessing a gun and we go out there, do a terrifrisk, which is a pat down of the individual recovery the the BB gun.

5:00

There's really no recourse for that.

5:02

I mean, we're getting the BB gun saying don't do that again, and in many cases, giving it back to them and say, you know, go about your business.

5:09

And as I'm gonna mention later, this is you know, juveniles, which you know, I'll mention later the dangers that are associated with that, but also felons, gang members, and things like that.

5:20

So being able to take enforcement is is super important.

5:24

Thank you.

5:26

So from the FPD standpoint from 22 to 23, we had 58 total crimes committed with BB guns.

5:33

That's the ones that were documented in reference to malicious destruction of property, assaults on people and animals, uh, robberies, um, controlled dangerous substance offenses.

5:45

That's your your drug dealers, um, possessing them in public, which really we can do nothing about, and disorderly conduct based on their actions.

5:54

Um these like I like I said, these projectiles that were fired from these types of weapons were at you know, people, animals, and property committing these other crimes along with it.

6:06

Um gang members, felons, juveniles are carrying these weapons around many times concealed on their person or close to them in vehicles.

6:15

So the intents there as to why they're carrying these types of guns, and that's for the the criminal element.

6:23

Um, and also um if you Google this anywhere in the country, it's gonna pop up with an officer involved shooting involving a BB gun many times, um, teenage kids that are losing their lives, you know, over something so silly as if we were to be able to get them with these guns before they pointed it at somebody or a tragedy occurs.

6:44

So that's another important reason why we want to get ahead of this one.

6:51

And why we must act.

6:54

Primarily, this is for saving lives.

6:56

And you could Google and many videos pop up.

7:00

We had an officer involved shooting here in Frederick.

7:02

I knew the officers that were involved, and actually ran into the father of the individual who lost his life for making a bad decision with a BB gun.

7:10

So I can tell you this affects people not only in the moment, but for many years to come, and you know, that's obviously important to me and us as the city Frederick.

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Summary of Proceedings

Mayor & Board of Aldermen Workshop – July 17, 2024

The Mayor and Board of Aldermen of Frederick, Maryland, held a workshop on July 17, 2024, at 3:00 p.m. to discuss a proposed amendment to City Code Section 15-17 that would prohibit the possession, carrying, brandishing, and sale/transfer (especially to minors) of air guns, BB guns, replica firearms, and similar weapons. The Frederick Police Department (FPD) presented the ordinance, emphasizing public safety, the prevention of tragic officer-involved shootings, and the need to close legal gaps. No formal vote was taken; the workshop was intended to gather board input and direct staff to consult with the State’s Attorney’s office before bringing the ordinance to a public hearing.

Presentation by the Frederick Police Department

  • Sergeant Murphy (FPD) led the presentation, supported by Chief Jason Lando and Mike Fry (City Legal). He explained that the current ordinance only addresses discharge of firearms, leaving a gap for carrying, brandishing, and concealing air guns and replicas. The proposed amendment would classify these items as dangerous weapons, enabling earlier enforcement.
  • Statistics cited: From 2022–2023, FPD documented 58 crimes involving BB guns, including malicious destruction of property, assaults on people and animals, robberies, drug offenses, and disorderly conduct.
  • Video evidence was shown (e.g., a news report of a 13-year-old shot by police after brandishing a pellet gun, and a medical expert discussing injuries from modern high-velocity air guns). Sergeant Murphy noted that many air guns now fire at muzzle velocities of 1,000–2,000 feet per second, comparable to conventional firearms, and can penetrate the body and cause fatal injuries.
  • Juvenile crime: The ordinance would allow early intervention and diversion through the YODA program, preventing escalation from BB guns to real firearms.

Discussion Among Board Members

  • Mayor and Aldermen expressed strong support for the proposal. Alderman O’Connor commended the thorough work and noted the public safety and public health concerns. Alderman Russell also praised the research and model legislation from other jurisdictions. Alderman (name not specified) asked about enforcement, specifically how the ordinance would define these weapons as dangerous. Sergeant Murphy clarified that the amendment would explicitly categorize them as dangerous weapons, removing ambiguity for officers.
  • Chief Lando added that the department intends to meet with the State’s Attorney’s office to discuss implementation and prosecution.

Elected Officials’ Comments (Non-Agenda Items)

  • Alderman (unidentified) mentioned the upcoming return to the renovated City Hall building and thanked staff.
  • Alderman Russell recognized the founders of the National Clustered Spires High Wheel Bicycle Race, which held its 10th annual event on July 13, 2024, with nearly 70 riders from several countries.

Key Outcomes

  • No vote was taken; the workshop was for discussion and direction.
  • Next steps: The Board directed staff (FPD and City Legal) to consult with the State’s Attorney’s office to refine the ordinance and then bring it to a regular public hearing for formal consideration.
  • The Board unanimously expressed support for the proactive approach to public safety.

Meeting Transcript

Good afternoon. Welcome to the Mayor and Board of Alderman Workshop for the 17th of July. We begin with the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge through the flag of the United States of America and through the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God with Liberty and Justice. We do expect Aldwoman Nash to be joining us. Alderman Shackelford and Alder Woman Kazemchak had previously indicated that they are not available today. We have one item on our workshop agenda today, and that is consideration of a proposed amended ordinance to prohibit the possession carrying of air guns, BB guns, replica firearms, and associated weapons. Within the city of Frederick, I'm going to turn this over to the Frederick Police Department, Sergeant Murphy, to take us through this proposal. Good afternoon, Mayor Board. If you can hit the buttons there you go. Good afternoon, Mayor Morgan. Pull the microphone a little bit closer just so that we can hear you here and out there. Sounds good. Are we good? Thank you. All righty. So I'm Sergeant Murphy with the Frederick Police Department on behalf of the Frederick Police Department, accompanied by Chief Jason Lando and Mike Fry from City Legal. The reason we're here is to propose an amendment to 15-17, which is now the discharge of firearms and guns within the City of Frederick. So essentially what brings us here today is the current section prohibits the discharge of any gun. It's very vague in the definitions, covers firearms, uh mentions air guns and things like that. But there's a lot of in between, there's some there's some missing definitions that are important to an ordinance like this. Um as what constitutes a dangerous weapon is important, so we need to add some language to distinguish uh the difference between these types of guns and what their capabilities are. Um it's going to include imitation, firearm, replica guns, BB guns, uh, paintball guns, so on and so forth. Um the current ordinance addresses only the discharge of these type of types of weapons, so we have to wait um until these firearms and other weapons are discharged before we can do anything about it as far as enforcement. Um so brandishing, possessing, concealing the sale and transfer uh specifically to minors, um, and removing safety devices on toy weapons to make them look like real firearms are um great concerns from the public safety standpoint, so we felt it was important to address. Uh in 2002, the the Maryland General Assembly wrote in law the seriousness of the handgun violence and gun-related crimes. Um they have not addressed any uh legislation or definitions in regards to BB guns and other types of similar weapons. Um there is a dangerous weapons uh statute, but it is very fluid depending on the jurisdictions, which has led to numerous municipalities and local governments moving towards their own legislation to fill those gaps, if that makes sense. Um my training knowledge and experience, I can tell you that these types of guns and other firearms are carried and used in the commission of crimes. Um very misdemeanor stuff to malicious destruction of property all the way up to you know robbery and and serious assault. So we have to get together and get a comprehensive update to modernize the the public safety article. Can I ask you a practical question on that? If someone in the commission of one of these other crimes, uh a threat of robbery or something like that, brandishes a B B gun, which you find out later is a B B gun and not an actual firearm is defined in the law. Is there a difference in what you can charge under those circumstances? So depending on the jurisdictions. Um here in Frederick, it's it's hit or miss as to who's prosecuting it. Um but if it is perceived to be the gun, a real gun, um, they will pursue um the robbery charges because it's what the the victim perceives at that moment in time. But in order to catch, say a perpetrator or an offender ahead of time, we would have to encounter these individuals. And we handle it as if it was a real gun. So if we get a call, you know, a person's possessing a gun and we go out there, do a terrifrisk, which is a pat down of the individual recovery the the BB gun. There's really no recourse for that. I mean, we're getting the BB gun saying don't do that again, and in many cases, giving it back to them and say, you know, go about your business. And as I'm gonna mention later, this is you know, juveniles, which you know, I'll mention later the dangers that are associated with that, but also felons, gang members, and things like that. So being able to take enforcement is is super important. Thank you. So from the FPD standpoint from 22 to 23, we had 58 total crimes committed with BB guns. That's the ones that were documented in reference to malicious destruction of property, assaults on people and animals, uh, robberies, um, controlled dangerous substance offenses. That's your your drug dealers, um, possessing them in public, which really we can do nothing about, and disorderly conduct based on their actions. Um these like I like I said, these projectiles that were fired from these types of weapons were at you know, people, animals, and property committing these other crimes along with it.

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