Three o'clock, and we are calling to order the Planning Commission pre-planning meeting for the month of December.

Gabrielle, take it away.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Um, just a couple kind of points of order.

Um, first, we are preparing our workshop packets.

Workshop this month is on the 17th, not Monday, because it is the holiday.

So keep in mind it is Tuesday.

Um, we will probably be a little delayed in having our information online as well as the paper copies.

My goal is by the end of Tuesday next week.

So it'll still give you a full week if we can get them online Tuesday, um, is to have them online, but packets won't be ready for pickup for those of you who pick up the paper copies uh until probably midday Wednesday, and then any time after.

So just keep that in mind moving forward.

I know Barb, um, you will not be at workshop next Tuesday.

Um keep it both on the 17th, right?

The 17th, not next Tuesday.

I'm sorry, the week I'm always we're always a week ahead.

Um the other thing um Barbara had referenced is the text amendment that we discussed last month at workshop for the Carol Creek overlay provisions dealing with density um and some of the existing constraints on that.

The applicant has actually requested to have a second workshop instead of progressing to the hearing, and that workshop will not be until February.

So um Barb won't miss that workshop coming up that won't be our on our our agenda coming up, that'll be a month out.

Um they will plan on resubmitting some additional materials to us at the end of January, and then we'll be able to review those, digest them and package that into a new workshop summary, kind of repeat the whole thing um for February.

So um we would like to have some questions about that, okay?

Okay.

Um I would you know, keep not substantial.

No, no, no.

Yeah, no, it's it is procedural questions.

So I'm gonna turn it over to Commissioner Strason.

Oh, right.

Um, so things that we would like to know.

Um we had there's a lot of questions about the relationship between the Carol Creek overlay, um, the E Street form based code, the density enhancement area, um, how some of these other things are going to be implemented and the uh impact that they'll have on the Carol Creek overlay, the relationship about which one takes precedence.

We want to know who would be the best person in the city to answer those questions and ask that person to come to the workshop.

Um it might be Mark, it might be somebody else.

Let us know.

Um let's see.

We also had um how does the mute.

I'm on mute.

I'm not on mute there.

I'm not okay.

I was trying, I was hitting that button frantically.

Um, so let me just kind of resay it so that I make sure I understand.

Um you're interested in understanding how the Carroll Creek overlay and the future form-based code may interact and interact, but also what the future form-based code might look like, and if some of the provisions in that form-based code might be an appropriate way of dealing with some of the issues in the Carroll Creek Parkway um overlay, parkway.

And Gabrielle, you and I talked a little bit about that.

But what the other thing that uh Commissioner Strawson brought up was that the uh density enhancement area, just uh and it may be you, Gabrielle, but answering questions about that.

And we also thought, would it make sense that um Mark?

Um, and this was in a conference call that Commissioner Manales and I had this morning with uh Joe that the rest of you will hear about it.

Well, it's you know, you can't get three commissioners together because that's a quorum.

So but I've been sort of having these little, I've been having two sets of conversations.

And Dorothy is just on fire with this project that I'll let her tell be you about it.

We stood to an email.

But the suggestion was to bring Mark to the workshop and um have him give um information, have him give a little tutorial on this Carol Creek overlay and maybe be open to questions.

Was that right, uh Dorothy?

Yes.

In essence, yeah.

Thank you.

And if I if I can interject, there are a few things that you and I, Barbara, uh talked about um when we were at the uh commissioners conference.

Uh I'll I'll put a list together uh so that we can make sure the right people are in the room.

Yeah.

And then I was wondering is it is it?

And then I was wondering, is it is it, I know it's not typical, but is it feasible, possible for the city and or the planning commission to like invite somebody from downtown Frederick Partnership to come to the workshop and get input from them on the Care Quick Overlay.

Um, and or um somebody from NAF 11.

Um just, you know, if we're gonna do this, I'd like to have not just rely on public comment, but I would like to reach out and ask people who are are affected, you know, their thoughts on what's being provided.