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Great Barrington Finance Committee Meeting – April 28, 2026: Discussion of Citizens' Petition for Ambulance Funding

Selectboard & Town Boards — Tuesday, April 28, 2026
BodyGreat Barrington, Massachusetts
SessionSelectboard & Town Boards
DateTuesday, April 28, 2026
StatusFILED
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Speaker numbers apply only to this recording.

Speaker 1

0:00

Uh pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12, 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law, general law uh 30A parent 18 and Governor Healy's March 13, 2025 order extending remote participation to all members in any meeting of a public body.

0:18

This meeting of the finance committee will be conducted via remote participation.

0:22

Specific information in the general guidelines for remote participation by members of the public andor parties with a right andor requirement to attend this meeting can be found on town's website.

0:32

For this meeting, members of the public and the committee members may attend the meeting remotely following the instructions at the top of this agenda.

0:40

And every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means.

0:48

Pursuant to Mass General Law 7C 30A section 20 parent F.

0:53

After notifying the chair of the public body, any person may make a video or audio recording of an open session of a meeting of a public body or may transmit the meeting through any medium.

1:03

At the beginning of the meeting, the chair shall inform other attendees of any such recordings.

1:08

Any member of the public wishing to speak at the meeting must receive permission of the chair.

Unassigned speaker

1:28

So

Speaker 1

1:29

I'll call the meeting to order.

1:31

Rich Guiler, I'm here.

1:32

Madonna.

Speaker 2

1:33

Here.

Speaker 1

1:35

Anne.

Speaker 2

1:35

Here.

Speaker 1

1:36

Michelle.

Speaker 2

1:37

Here.

Speaker 1

1:38

Milena.

Speaker 2

1:39

Here.

Speaker 1

1:40

We are all in attendance.

1:42

Any committee member announcements or statements?

1:48

Hearing none.

1:49

We'll go to the main reason for our um for our meeting this morning.

1:55

We wanted to review the citizens' petition, which is now article 15 in the um packet for the annual meeting to see if uh we wanted to make a recommendation regarding this article.

2:15

Um does everyone have the um wording in front of them.

Speaker 3

2:21

Yes.

Speaker 1

2:22

Okay.

2:23

So the purpose of this citizens petition is to raise 490,000 for Southern Berkshire Ambulance Services for the purpose of funding approximately 50 percent of the cost of two new ambulances currently on order.

2:42

It's as a capital expenditure.

2:44

Um do I have any comments from uh each of you?

2:50

Ann, I see your hand up.

Speaker 4

2:51

Yeah, I guess I would, if it be possible, I'd like to quickly just go over if this article were to pass, what would not be funded?

3:02

Is that possible for us just to review that quickly or

Unassigned speaker

3:06

it

Speaker 4

3:06

just that would be I I did try to do a little bit of that, but I did find myself sort of going back and forth, and I just want to remind myself what are the consequences of it not being to discuss consequence of not being funded, but also what would be the consequences of it being funded.

3:23

So I don't know, Michelle, if you had something similar or different.

Speaker 2

3:27

No, different.

Speaker 4

3:28

Because

Speaker 1

3:29

let's let's just see if um if Liz can answer that question for us easily.

Speaker 5

3:38

Yeah, so there's it's mostly capital and that is not gonna be funded.

3:44

So there is a um a comment that's going around, and I don't know if it's true or not, but there's discussion that the citizen petition on the floor may be reduced by half.

3:57

So um, so that's an option that at least we're considering um in the mix, but regardless if it's half or if it's a full amount, um the difference between the two um in your budget book or the um the adjustments that I had proposed version two on um April 7th, and in on page 19 of that is the actual um sheet that shows the difference between the two.

4:34

Um it's a chart that looks like this.

Speaker 4

4:37

And is this in the is this in the packet that looks like

Speaker 5

4:40

yes in the um in the recommended adjustments?

Unassigned speaker

4:45

So there's two uh there's two columns on that, and you'll see that if there um the adjusted capital, and then if there's no petitioned article, um if the article um doesn't pass or if it is withdrawn completely.

Speaker 5

5:01

So I don't

Speaker 1

5:03

tell us what page that's on.

Speaker 4

5:06

Yeah, if you could yeah, 19.

5:08

Let me see if I can put that up because that's uh give me one.

5:12

Yeah, give me one second on that.

5:14

Um I think I know the one page 19.

5:20

I'm trying to just pull it up quickly.

Unassigned speaker

5:23

Um I must have received a different one because my too, because I don't have it there, and I have to do that.

Speaker 4

5:31

Yeah, so here's here's the page.

5:33

Yeah.

5:34

Um I'm just gonna show you.

5:38

I have um, and I I'm not sure it's the same page 19.

5:42

Is this what you're referring to?

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Emergency Medical Services█████████████████████████████████████████████63%
Funding██████████14%
Procurement Practices█████████13%
Budget Equity Analysis██████8%
Public Engagement█2%
Summary of Proceedings

Great Barrington Finance Committee Meeting – April 28, 2026

The Finance Committee met remotely on April 28, 2026, pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12, 2020 order and Governor Healy's March 13, 2025 order extending remote participation. The primary agenda item was to review and consider a recommendation on Article 15, a citizens' petition seeking $490,000 from free cash for Southern Berkshire Ambulance Services (SBAS) to fund approximately 50% of the cost of two new ambulances. During the meeting, committee members discussed the fiscal impact, contract negotiations, and oversight concerns, and heard public testimony. No vote was taken; the committee will revisit the recommendation at a joint meeting prior to town meeting.

Discussion Items

  • Citizens' Petition Overview: The petition originally sought $490,000 for two ambulances currently on order. Town Manager Liz stated that if the full amount passed or was reduced to $240,000 (as later proposed), several other capital items would not move forward, including the Plymvale event, backup turn gear for the fire department, body cameras, two electric vehicles for transit, and the manhole installation at Pearl Street. Items such as the master plan, online permitting software, assessor software upgrades, and a cruiser would remain in free cash.
  • Contract Status: Liz confirmed she met with SBAS on April 24 and is finalizing a three-year contract with an oversight committee to meet quarterly, comprising the fire chief, town manager, a select board representative, and two SBAS members.
  • Reduction Proposal: Committee members received an email from SBAS representative Peter Mose stating the intention to move to reduce the appropriation to $240,000 at town meeting. The reduced figure represents Great Barrington's assessed share of capital costs over the three-year term of the proposed contract, rather than the full $490,000 in a single year. Peter Mose explained that the $240,000 covers the first three years of payments, with $250,000 remaining for the subsequent two years, funded through outside financing.
  • Committee Member Concerns:
    • Anne requested clarification on what would not be funded if the petition passed.
    • Michelle asked about contract negotiations and noted her vote on capital expenditure is contingent on Article 14 (operating) and floor action.
    • Milena expressed discomfort with the town handing taxpayer money to an outside entity without direct oversight, questioned the math behind the reduced figure, and requested a clear breakdown of tax impact (estimated by Patrick White at approximately $67 per year for the average taxpayer, representing about 1% of the tax levy).
    • Madonna felt the citizens' petition created a "sticky wicket" and opposed the three-year spread, as floor action could revert to $490,000.
    • Rich Guiler argued that capital expenses should be the entity's responsibility, suggesting SBAS seek loans, grants, or fundraising.
  • Oversight Clarification: Liz clarified the oversight committee is operational, focusing on runs, operations, and contract compliance—not advising on business fundraising.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Jim Santos (SBAS Board): Emphasized that SBAS provides an essential service, loses money on every call due to insurance reimbursement, and defended efforts to be transparent. He noted that SBAS has increased fundraising and welcomed questions.
  • Peter Mose (SBAS Representative): Explained the rationale for reducing the request to $240,000, aligned with the three-year contract term to avoid a large upfront burden on the town. He cited the public purpose doctrine under Massachusetts law, which permits towns to fund outside entities for valid municipal functions.
  • Patrick White (SBAS Budget Builder): Stated he built the budget accounting for federal revenue uncertainty, made line-by-line budgets available, and increased direct appeals. He noted that $240,000 in extra funds came in from July to December 2025 through fundraising. He estimated the total tax impact for Great Barrington at about $67 per taxpayer annually.

Key Outcomes

  • No Vote Taken: Due to time constraints (committee members had to leave), the committee did not take a vote on a recommendation. Chair Rich Guiler agreed to add a potential vote to the agenda of the joint meeting before town meeting (scheduled for May 1 or 2).
  • Next Steps: The committee will continue listening to public input and revisit the recommendation at the upcoming joint meeting. Town Manager Liz will prepare a tax impact breakdown for town meeting.

Meeting Transcript

Uh pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12, 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law, general law uh 30A parent 18 and Governor Healy's March 13, 2025 order extending remote participation to all members in any meeting of a public body. This meeting of the finance committee will be conducted via remote participation. Specific information in the general guidelines for remote participation by members of the public andor parties with a right andor requirement to attend this meeting can be found on town's website. For this meeting, members of the public and the committee members may attend the meeting remotely following the instructions at the top of this agenda. And every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means. Pursuant to Mass General Law 7C 30A section 20 parent F. After notifying the chair of the public body, any person may make a video or audio recording of an open session of a meeting of a public body or may transmit the meeting through any medium. At the beginning of the meeting, the chair shall inform other attendees of any such recordings. Any member of the public wishing to speak at the meeting must receive permission of the chair. So I'll call the meeting to order. Rich Guiler, I'm here. Madonna. Here. Anne. Here. Michelle. Here. Milena. Here. We are all in attendance. Any committee member announcements or statements? Hearing none. We'll go to the main reason for our um for our meeting this morning. We wanted to review the citizens' petition, which is now article 15 in the um packet for the annual meeting to see if uh we wanted to make a recommendation regarding this article. Um does everyone have the um wording in front of them. Yes. Okay. So the purpose of this citizens petition is to raise 490,000 for Southern Berkshire Ambulance Services for the purpose of funding approximately 50 percent of the cost of two new ambulances currently on order. It's as a capital expenditure. Um do I have any comments from uh each of you? Ann, I see your hand up. Yeah, I guess I would, if it be possible, I'd like to quickly just go over if this article were to pass, what would not be funded? Is that possible for us just to review that quickly or it just that would be I I did try to do a little bit of that, but I did find myself sort of going back and forth, and I just want to remind myself what are the consequences of it not being to discuss consequence of not being funded, but also what would be the consequences of it being funded. So I don't know, Michelle, if you had something similar or different. No, different. Because let's let's just see if um if Liz can answer that question for us easily. Yeah, so there's it's mostly capital and that is not gonna be funded. So there is a um a comment that's going around, and I don't know if it's true or not, but there's discussion that the citizen petition on the floor may be reduced by half. So um, so that's an option that at least we're considering um in the mix, but regardless if it's half or if it's a full amount, um the difference between the two um in your budget book or the um the adjustments that I had proposed version two on um April 7th, and in on page 19 of that is the actual um sheet that shows the difference between the two. Um it's a chart that looks like this. And is this in the is this in the packet that looks like yes in the um in the recommended adjustments? So there's two uh there's two columns on that, and you'll see that if there um the adjusted capital, and then if there's no petitioned article, um if the article um doesn't pass or if it is withdrawn completely. So I don't tell us what page that's on. Yeah, if you could yeah, 19.

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