There's some kind of connection that allow them to go back to that.

So she ended up living aligned for a while right now.

Actually, they're gonna be very easy for that.

And then there's a week from driving the country side, and we were in this place.

One minute.

Microphones are on.

All right.

And it's six, so I will open the June 9th, 2025 meeting of the Harrisonburg Planning Commission.

We have President and I, Commissioners Porter, Norton, El Cindy, Councilmember Dent, Vice Chair Finnegan and Chair Richard Boss at six.

So we have a quorum.

Next item would be review and approval of minutes of the June 11th meeting.

I'll make a motion to accept the minutes as submitted.

Second.

Any further discussion?

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

No.

All right, the minutes stand approved.

Which point we will move on to new business with two items.

First one, item four A, consider public hearing.

Consider a request to rezone three two zero South Main Street.

All right, good evening.

Tonight the applicant is requesting to rezone a property from the B Two district, the general business district to B1C, the central business district with condition or conditional.

The property there we go.

The property is designated as the the mixed use designation within the comprehensive plan, as shown on this map here.

Then here is an aerial of the site.

And while not eliminating all of these issues, the applicant plans to remove the two closest spaces on either end of the aisle.

Um closest to Federal Street to reduce the number of parking spaces that would be backing into the um park backing into the public street within on Federal Street.

Just for visual reference, I drew a red line on the screen in the general area where the right away and the parking lot would meet, showing that how close they are to each other.

More with parking.

Under the current zoning ordinance, there are different parking requirements for professional offices in retail.

In the B2 district, um talk about their requirements.

In the B2 district, professional offices require one space per 300 square feet of gross floor area.

And retail establishments specifically in this case under 10,000 square feet of gross floor area are required to have one space per 200 square feet of gross floor area.

So meaning that if they were to develop their site or change their uses in there within their current zoning.

Any combinations of office air retail space while being zoned B2 they would be required to have anywhere between 16 and 24 parking spaces which can meet the lower end of that now but if they were to have other uses in there they would have issues likely have issues meeting that parking requirement.

In the B1 Central business district uh there are no minimum off street parking requirements.

Therefore this rezoning would allow the um allow them to have additional flexibility for other uses such as more retail on the property without having to require off street parking with this rezoning the applicant is providing three uh proposing three proffers um as pres previously noted the property is designated mixed use within the comprehensive plan.

This is a designation that provides a live work environment and promotes live work environments with traditional neighborhood developments and includes specifically promoting walking biking and taking public transit.

Proffers one and two help promote that pedestrian friendly design by prohibiting drive through facilities and restricting the the areas where vehicles could be parked.

In the specifically between uh the front of the building and South Main Street.

And then proffer number three requires that that any uses shall not produce more than more than a hundred new trips within the peak hour and that if they were to do so they would have to do a traffic impact analysis that may need certain street improvements to be constructed for that to happen.

Staff believes that the rezoning is rezoning this property to B1C with the submitted proffers conforms with the city's comprehensive plan and recommends approval of the rezoning request.

Alright questions of staff now did you say that that removing the two closest parking spaces to Federal Street was not proffered but they're considering it's not they're not proffering it.

It is something that we've taught I've talked with them about and they're planning on doing there's some doing some work with their parking spaces as it is now.

Okay.

Anything else staff all right we'll invite the applicant or apples representative to speak if you wish I'm Marshall Price and this is my brother Ed Price and we've owned the building since uh 1980.

In fact we uh bought it from uh my father and Ed Chris who who uh designed the building in back then the uh 60s um I will start off by saying that those parking spaces we will mark those off we didn't realize that and so we'll we left them empty uh we had them marked but we left them empty because um to have them be able to turn around but we're we'll put X's on there and no parking um we um you know we we try to make the building and and we've had it now it's mostly professionals we did have a uh retail in there at the beginning uh just recently and and they moved out but our goal is not to have retail in the in the building but to have uh we have counselors uh uh financial planner people uh attorneys and uh that's kind of that's the goal that we have for that building we do have a uh uh uh company in there that uh has uh uh clothing vintage clothing online and and people will come in to pick up their uh items um from them but it's uh it's not like uh uh having it as a storefront uh and having a lot of traffic and they've been in there for about six months and we've only seen a couple of people per per month or per week uh in the building so um and uh we're in the process too of uh doing some remodeling to try to make it uh more appealing uh but that's our kind of our goal and again um you know we do we've been coming going along and uh then all of a sudden when we uh when we had the retail and and they were getting a permit then all of a sudden it's like oh my gosh we well we we're not gonna have enough parking spaces for that and so uh they have now have uh moved out so we're we're we're gonna make sure that uh we know who we're who we're running to in the future uh not uh not the retail part questions of the

them but it's it's not like uh uh having it as a storefront uh and having a lot of traffic and they they've been in there for about six months and we've only seen a couple of people per per month uh or per week uh in the building so um and uh we're in the process too of uh doing some remodeling to try to make it uh more appealing uh but that's our kind of our goal and again um you know we do we've been kind of going along and uh then all of a sudden when we uh when we had the retail and and they were getting a permit then all of a sudden it's like oh my gosh we well we we're not gonna have enough parking spaces for that and so uh they have now have uh moved out so we're we're we're gonna make sure that uh we know who we're who we're renting to in the future uh not uh not the retail part any questions of the apps thank you thank you thank you and with that I will open the public hearing anybody watching it or otherwise participating virtually the number to call in is 540 437 2687 um anyone in the room wish to speak seems the answer is none so if you change your mind wave at me otherwise we'll uh leave the lines open uh for a bit to see if anybody wishes to call in to speak to this matter that's uh I'm getting a thumbs down from the back so all right uh we will close the public hearing huh since no one's talking I'll go ahead and start I'll just say um I would support this uh request um it's in conformance with you know the the properties around it and I don't think we should be uh limiting future uses by saying they have to have you know X number of parking spaces and it gives uh more flexibility to the property owners um to adapt it as needed if it needs to become housing at some point if it needs to become a different kind of business um so uh generally speaking I would be in favor of this request yes I agree and I like that we have this central business district where there aren't parking minimums because presumably there are other parking spaces of course they can be hard to find but uh alleviating some of the pressure on the uh the buildings to provide their own parking helps to distribute it I guess I concur with what's been said and the flexibility to um attract um tenants differently perhaps um nothing that it's not going to cause any more traffic along the main street based on proffers etc so I lean to support I have a bit of a question it's probably more academic for my understanding um proffer three where it talks about um the all traffic generating uses should be limited to a combined total of a hundred vehicle trips in either the AM or PM peak hour is calculated by the Institute of Transportation Engineers trip generation manual uh how do we follow up with that or understand that that's exactly going to be the case so when it's just a couple opportunities come up when this would become a become to our come to our attention.

If there's an engineering conference and site plan they would have to do a traffic impact analysis and they turn determination sorry traffic impact analysis determination where they would put in the proposed uses compared to what the existing uses are and there's public works helps get and they have engineers they help get those numbers um for the ITE which is the um institute transportation and engineers generating manual um and then that's how we would get that number for the the site plans um what would trigger that also a building permit review our zoning staff would also be reviewing proffers with the property when a building permit like somebody's doing a change of use really any permit that they're gonna be looking at but usually it's like something that related to a change anyway here.

Then so they'll evaluate that and coordinate with public works to say hey there's this is what the new uses in the building are going to be or this is their combination of uses can you calculate it using the ITE and then tell us if this triggers the need for us to then um enforce this proffer.

Thank you I appreciate that that helps me understand.

Thank you.

Yeah I guess and I guess presumably could be generated by complaint.

Right.

If somebody was just making the on the on the ground observation that they thought traffic gotten heavy because of a use, that would that would trigger it as well.

I guess it's not a that's not a have to, but it's hard to in the sense of chapter and verse, but it's hard to imagine staff wouldn't follow up on that because you routinely do.

We would but we would rely on the ITE.

So, like if you had a very successful restaurant or something, and they had a lot more traffic than a restaurant that didn't have, we actually would not be able to hold them to uh a TIA because it's based upon the ITE.