0:15Good morning, everyone.
0:17Today is September 3rd, 2025.
0:21And I call the Lake County Planning, Building, Zoning, and Environment Committee to order.
0:26In addition to being able to attend in person, remote attendance has been made available to the public via Zoom at the link on the agenda.
0:34This meeting is being recorded through Zoom.
0:39Umber Frank, can you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance?
0:46Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.
0:54One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
1:02Can we get a roll call, please?
1:10Question Chair Peterson.
1:14Sorry, uh, Member Schlick?
1:20Are there any addenda to the agenda?
1:23No addenda to the agenda.
1:25Do we have public comment today?
1:29Okay, no cheers remarks today.
1:33Any unfinished business?
1:35No unfinished business.
1:37Okay, we're gonna go to our consent agenda.
1:40Can I get a motion for that, please?
1:42Motion by member compo, second by member Frank.
1:50Okay, moving on to the regular agenda.
1:55Resolution to vacate an unimproved portion of a right-of-way located east of Lawson Road in the Fox River Springs subdivision in Antioch Township.
2:08Um we welcome Krista Braun and is this Frank Olsen?
2:21Oh, can I get a do we need a motion for that?
2:24Okay, can I get a motion, please?
2:26Motion by member Frank, second by member Kenijnik.
2:31Morning, members of the committee.
2:32I'm Frank Olson, a senior planner with the planning building development department, and I will be presenting a petition of vacation number PTRL-001061-2025, which is a petition to vacate an unimproved right-of-way east of Lawson Road in Antioch Township.
2:50The subject right-away is 42 and a half feet wide and is located east of Lawson Road and is adjacent to the Fox River.
2:56It is located in the Fox River Springs subdivision in Antioch Township.
3:03The petitioners are Margarita Castro and Timothy T Bond and Kimberley Bott.
3:11The total area to be vacated is 5,227 square feet or 0.12 acres.
3:17And you can also see on the plat of vacation that there is a proposed 15-foot easement for the existing stormwater infrastructure.
3:28This is a view of the subject right away looking east from Lawson Road.
3:45This view is looking north on North Forest Lane at the intersection where North Forest Lane, Lawson Road, and the subject unimproved right-of-way intersect.
3:53Note that the darker pavement is the driveway of the applicant.
4:12At the Board of Vacations hearing, the members of the board determined that there was no current or future public need for the plated right away.
4:18An easement has been granted to the Antiac Township Highway Department to maintain the existing stormwater management system.
4:24And there were no objections from the Antioch Township Highway Commissioner, adjacent property owners, or service utility companies.
4:33The Board of Vacations recommends approval of the right-of-action unanimously, finding that a vacation of the subject portion of Lawson Road will have no negative impact on the public.
4:41It will allow the property owners currently maintaining it to continue to do so legally, and it will put the property under the tax rolls.
4:48That concludes the presentation at this time.
4:59Sorry, may I say this right?
5:00Were there any comments?
5:18Yeah, moving on to 8.4.
5:20Can I get a motion, please?
5:22Motion by member campo, second by member Schlick.
5:25This is an ordinance amending chapter 151 of the Lake County Code of Ordinances relating to posted notice requirements in unincorporated Lake County.
5:38And we welcome Melanie Colmer.
5:44Hello, members of the committee.
5:49Do we have uh can we pull up the slide presentation?
5:56Oh, she's saying she's got a lot of okay.
6:05Okay, here you want me to pull it out.
6:08Ruth Ann is checking.
6:13Um, can you just give us a little background?
6:17So we have received requests in the past from members of our department.
6:23Um, we've noticed in the past some issues with current signage requirements, um, signs that we are required to post on applicants' property regarding their hearings for things like vacation or things like variations, um, vacations, conditional use permits, different types of applications like that.
6:44And currently the signage that we have um is a kind of it's 24 by 36, bright yellow, um laminated paper essentially.
6:55It's very thin, it's very flimsy.
6:57Um, and so we thought that a better way to go into having some sturdier material would be by amending the code and the requirements set forth in the code.
7:08Um, the current requirements for the posted signage is that it must state the applicant.
7:14It must state the subject property, the time and date of the hearing, it has to have all of the variation requests that will be happening in that hearing, the contact information for the project manager, um, and so on and so forth.
7:27So that is all required by the language that is currently in the unified development ordinance.
7:33Um, and so it's very prescriptive and requires specific new signs for each hearing that we have.
7:41Um, the zoning board of appeals hears about 30 cases per year.
7:46And for each site, we are required to post two signs, um, or it is at least custom that we post two signs on the site.
7:52So that's about roughly 60 new signs being generated each year by our signage department.
7:58And so by doing such, we have a lot of what we would consider waste from having these new signs be posted.
8:06And instead of doing that, we figured that we would kind of amend the code language so that we could have a more generalized um vision for what our sign would be.
8:17So currently, as I stated, we have this kind of flimsier material that constantly falls off.
8:23Um, it doesn't usually stay connected very well after we post them.
8:26We're required to post them about two weeks before uh the hearing, 15 days approximately.
8:32And so it's expected to last those 15 days up until that hearing date.
8:37And so with the current material, it's very hard to have them last that long.
8:41So what we are proposing is a kind of corrugated plastic that would be on a metal frame as opposed to a wooden stake.
8:49Um, that way it would be reusable and the verbiage on that new corrugated sign as opposed to having all of the requirements that are currently required in our code, which you know, like I said, is the date and time, hearing requests, things like that.
9:03Um, it would just say a hearing is to be held regarding this property for more information.
9:11There's a website link, um, the phone number of the planning building development department, and also a QR code that links directly to our calendar.
9:19So that way they can see what the request is, what the applicants are stating, um, the exact address, everything like that, and all of that information is posted on our calendar.
9:30So that way we don't have to get very specific signs made for each hearing.
9:35We could bring them out, post them once the hearing is finished.
9:38We can go back out, collect the signs and have them ready for the next hearing.
9:42So it's basically two signs you're creating.
9:46And when they go on the QR code, they can property and they'll know the information.
9:52So we would have probably I'd say maybe 10 at like just to use because we'll have anywhere from you know two to five hearings a month.
10:01So it's 10 instead of 60.
10:05Um they'll be reusable.
10:08And so they can apply to any hearing type, whether that's a CUP, whether that's a variation, a street vacation, anything like that, um, that sign would be reusable and able to be placed on any site.
10:18And so the kind of idea with that is to just reduce overall waste and make it more streamlined so that people, you know, it grabs their attention.
10:26They don't have to read a bunch of small text.
10:28They can go home, actually digest it instead of just kind of standing and staring at a sign that may or may not be there after it's posted.
10:35Um, so that's kind of our direction that we're taking with it.
10:38Okay, no, I I like it.
10:40I think that it's great when whenever we can use digital to streamline things and people can get even more information.
10:47I think that's a wonderful thing.
10:48Okay, we have questions on the last second by membership.
10:53And and just for clarification, so when they scan the QR code, will it take it take them right to the hearing information or just to your website?
11:02It will take them to the planning building development website.
11:05And on that very front page, there's a calendar that lists zoning board of appeals.
11:09Um, and so it has the hearings uh specifically listed under that.
11:13So it's a question of them clicking on that link and they'll get exactly what they need.
11:19There will also we'll also include our department phone number where if people who maybe not tech savvy or don't want to navigate trying to you know find the website, they can just call and say, hey, we were, you know, I'm out, I see a sign, can and then we'll be connected to a planner that can provide them with the information they're looking for.
11:41I I assume in your presentation there was probably a picture of the sign.
11:45Uh as long as we can get that before the board meeting, that'd be great.
11:48Um and then the other thing is I saw V views up in the remains discussion.
11:53And usual discussion, completely changed as part of the ZBA's discussion.
12:00Uh so thank you for bringing that up.
12:02We did have the the here the public hearing on this um just last week.
12:05Um there were um uh nobody we we received no comments from the public.
12:10Um the ZBA is uh very much in support of this.
12:13This is something that they've been um wanting to see occur because they also um sometimes field complaints from um the public regarding, hey, you know, I I can't find the sign or the sign blew away.
12:28Um, you know, you need to do so.
12:30They they're very much in favor of it as well.
12:32And um they did not have any substantive um changes to the amendments as proposed.
12:39No, it sounds like a no-brainer.
12:40I look forward to supporting this.
12:45Yeah, I think most municipalities take this approach.
12:50Um now that you're talking to us about it, I feel like it's gonna be overdue that we've done this.
12:55I mean we have the same couple of signs in our town show up everywhere, and we just know like, okay, that's an indicator we have to look up what's happening here and people are accustomed to it.
13:08So I don't think it's a big change.
13:09I think it's positive.
13:12Any other questions, comments?
13:22And we're gonna go to 8.5.
13:26Okay, can I get a motion, please?
13:28Motion by member Keniznik, second by member Schlick.
13:32Resolution directing the Lake County Zoning Board of Appeals to conduct a public hearing on a comprehensive packet of proposed text amendments to chapter 151 of the Lake County, Illinois Code of Ordinances.
13:45We welcome Eric Wagner.
13:47And please go ahead.
13:49Good morning, Krista Brown, plan ability and development.
13:51Um, so today we have uh a resolution um to move forward.
13:56Um to move forward with the ZBA um holding a public hearing on the comprehensive packet of proposed text amendment.
14:06So um you may recall at the last meeting we had a series of um smaller um topic specific um uh proposals um that the county that the committee moved forward um with initiation of the ZBA public hearing.
14:24And so um, likewise we are we are here to um discuss moving forward with a comprehensive update.
14:31And so um periodically, not as not as frequently as we're doing these um individual single topic amendments, but periodically our department does conduct a uh uh comprehensive review of of the chapter uh 151, the unified development ordinance as a whole.
14:49Um and this is important to um on on several counts.
15:00We we want to maintain currency, we want to emulate best practices, we want to look at the the chapter in its entirety to see are there are there you know specific things, thematic things throughout that need to be changed, not just looking at a specific section here or there or on a topic-specific basis.
15:10Um the last time that we did a comprehensive update, um, it was approved by the Lake County Board in 2019.
15:17So it's been a few years and and the timing is is right to look more um holistically at the ordinance again.
15:25And so we have already initiated the drafting process.
15:28Um, we are planning to update um uh a couple of of major themes um with substantive changes um that were not part of that 2019 update.
15:41Um, we're looking at topics like planned unit developments, um looking at streamlining um those, the the process associated with those and updating those um requirements, um looking at development uh financial assurances, um, providing some clarity and again, streamlining um the process, the review and administration of of those um assurances when they're required, and also just regulatory streamlining overall.
16:06So providing clarification um in areas where we do or don't have regulatory authority, um, and also other minor clarifications on just uh a uh several different uh miscellaneous topics.
16:20Um also as part of the the comprehensive update, we would be doing our our housekeeping amendments.
16:26Um so that would include things like updating committee names, um, codifying long-standing department policies um and correcting typographical and scriveners errors.
16:37So we are requesting that PBZE take action today to recommend the initiation of the formal hearing process.
16:43Um, and then if approved by the county board, um, staff would complete that drafting process.
16:49We would be working um closely with state's attorney's office on review of of the proposed amendments before bringing them forward um to the ZBA for a public hearing.
17:05Uh I appreciate especially the examples of some of the changes that you're recommending.
17:10And um, as I was listening to you describe them, I'm wondering if they have if if you felt the time is that it was very important to make these changes now because of our attempt to address the lack of affordable housing.
17:21So I thought that might be the case.
17:23So would you um mind just elaborating a little bit more on how these changes do you hope will um you hope will make the process of addressing that problem easier?
17:33So one of the one of the the main topical areas that Krista just mentioned was the plan unit development process.
17:41Um that has been a vehicle on rare occasions to facilitate um subdivisions of land for residential purposes.
17:51We've had you can count it on one hand, the number of instances in which a PUD was utilized over the last 20 years for that purpose.
17:59Uh plan unit developments are a mechanism to increase the creativity within which uh land is developed, it also provides for opportunities for the board to uh allow in some cases um bonuses for density um and to otherwise uh attract development.
18:21Um unfortunately, the PUDY process that we've had in place since the inception of the ordinance back in 2000 is uh a very lengthy process with many, many steps.
18:35And we've we've learned that that the length of time that it takes to go through a PUD is one of the one of the impediments to developers actually utilizing it for its intended purpose.
18:47And so one of the things that we're really looking at with the PUD amendments specifically is to dramatically streamline that review process.
18:57So it has fewer steps in this in the sequence, and that will allow developers to move forward more quickly with their projects.
19:06We're not sacrificing public involvement in any way.
19:10We're still accommodating public hearings for plan unit developments, but we are reducing the number of steps to go through the process.
19:18And uh we think that between those changes and some other changes that we've incorporated into um into the ordinance um, we're gonna be in a position to start to utilize that technique more frequently, which could actually incentivize more development of residential within the unincorporated area.
19:41And we we hope that with the change we can use that as one of the things that we can offer to the coalition as an example of where you really dig into the details of a process, there are ways in which it can be tweaked and modified and streamlined.
20:02Any other questions?
20:05I'm just for my own ratification here process.
20:09So we approve this, the board approves it.
20:11ZBA, any changes then come back through.
20:15I just it to me it seems kind of long of the process, but I understand it now.
20:21So just want so we're just agreeing to now go to the Z, the board to initiate the initiate changes.
20:26ZBA is going to review whatever changes you bring forward, which will then come back to this committee to review.
20:33That was just I was in my head.
20:35I'm like, that seems very circular and long, but I guess actually it's actually part of our our our new um streamlined process.
20:44So a lot longer to stuff done.
20:49This is this is streamlined.
20:51Um I no, I understand.
20:53I was just making sure it's like a it seemed not to be very streamlined, but hopefully we get it figured out.
20:59But I look forward to whatever changes come forward.
21:01So I'll support this.
21:04Any other questions?
21:11Well, we look forward to hearing about all those changes.
21:16Um, we're gonna go on to 8.6.
21:19Can I get a motion, please?
21:21Motion by a member Knishnik, second by member campows.
21:25So we have a resolution directing the Lake County Zoning Board of Appeals to conduct a public hearing on proposed tax amendments to Chapter 151 of the Lake County, Illinois Code of Ordinances relating to enhanced landscaping guidelines for unincorporated Lake County.
21:44Um so switching gears away from that comprehensive um uh set of amendments.
21:51We're we're back to looking at a very topic-specific um category of amendments.
21:57And so um we're seeking uh committee direction to move forward with um proceeding with the the ZBA public hearing on um landscaping related amendments.
22:08And so you may recall last year we also amended uh chapter 151-167 um following recommendations and suggestions from open lands.
22:19And so we had engaged with um open land staff um and the amendments that were passed last year were very specific around um enhancement and protection of native species and the and the planting of native species.
22:34And so um at that time we had received um uh additional suggestions from open lands, and we sort of put those in a um no pun intended, put those in a parking lot um while we worked on the the native species um specific amendments.
22:50And so what we're proposing now is to come back and and um pick up where we left off a year ago and move forward with the other um suggested amendments that uh that open lands had for us.
23:01And so these are focused on um uh including uh updating the standards uh around parking lots.
23:09Um and so uh making some significant changes in appendix A, incorporating current best practices on landscape management.
23:19And so once once uh projects have completed the installation um those guidelines are are in our code um recommending how to maintain um those those environments uh over the long term.
23:33And so we're we're following looking at um uh in in all cases looking at what open lands is recommending and following best practices and would be including those.
23:44One of the interesting things about the exercise that we did with open lands is that uh in the phase one um process for these amendments, we had consulted with their subject matter experts on the potential cost implications of of incorporating additional natives into the uh landscaping um provisions of the ordinance, and based on a very comprehensive study that they had done last year, they had concluded, and we share this with the committee at the time.
24:14Um, that the inclusion of sort of the native species within this um this uh first phase ordinance change actually either kept the same costs or in some cases reduced costs for developers as as they um as they invested in those uh materials and developing their projects, and then long term obviously natives do better in this environment.
24:41And so they may um provide for a long-term savings in terms of avoiding um what would otherwise be inevitable tree replacements or you know, or shrub replacements as those those materials you know don't survive the the climate here.
25:00And so that same philosophy is permeating this new set of amendments as well.
25:03Or we're we're looking at at ways in which we can continue to improve the sustainability of our um of our county um while not making it um a more expensive undertaking for development.
25:19I think it's wonderful that we're putting a lot of thought into that, and it really goes along with our strategic plan of trying to be more sustainable and more and use more natives.
25:32And it's been a while since we talked about this, but fresh my memory.
25:36Did this also include uh say right-of-ways on county roads, or is it just new development?
25:44So our we we don't have I mean, we don't have jurisdiction over what um uh highway authority would plant in their right-of-way.
25:53We are specifically looking at um property within the unincorporated areas.
25:58Um, and it depends, the threshold depends.
26:01Sometimes it would apply to um existing developments when there's um a change in use or an intensification of that use, and then also as well as new developments.
26:11But but the various regional highway departments are in fact looking, they're leaning into sustainability as well as part of their um operations and the way they they design quarters as well.
26:23If if I may, Chair, if I can drill down a little bit.
26:25So have you talked to Lake Dot about um extending this to their right-of-ways, or are they open to it?
26:32Are they already doing it?
26:35So the the provisions that we're referring to here are more specific to sort of site um site plantings, and so they have a very different approach to highway sure, highway landscaping.
26:50A lot of what goes into sort of an evaluation of of what makes sense in a given right-of-way is okay, it's gotta increase the salt tolerance in some cases of the species.
27:02Um erosion controls is seems to be depending on the topography, seems to be a very big driver for how plantings are designed along rights of way.
27:12So, in some ways, yeah, there's some similarity to what we're attempting to do here, but there's also very we're working at very different purposes with our regulations and and regulations that might be at the division of transportation.
27:25So I I think what you're saying, Eric, is that Lake Dow would have to develop their own ordinances for their right-of-ways, correct?
27:33I mean, they they also have other considerations.
27:35I mean, a lot of times you have um other improvements within their right-of-way that would include bike paths or um, you know, multimodal sidewalks, whatever it is, uh, as well as utilities, whether they're above or below ground, which could present challenges to how those um how landscaping is installed specifically within the right-of-way.
27:56But we do have we do have standards um already.
28:00We're looking at, you know, do if there's any updates that may need to be made, but we have standards for planting um within the setback adjacent to a right-of-way.
28:10So whether it be a collector arterial or a local road, we already do have standards for um properties to plant, um, and in some cases, depending on the situation to buffer um uh to provide that buffer against the right-of-way.
28:23Okay, and one last question, sure.
28:26And did we have a provision that I I don't recall this being in the draft were say if we were going to do native planning, there was some provision to address invasive plants.
28:37Um, because I know a lot of places sometimes they don't do the maintenance and then you know things that we want to get rid of or kind of take over there.
28:48We I mean we do have a provision in the ordinance that allows people to remove um when they have invasives on their property, there's they're allowed to remove that.
28:56No, you know, um, but one of the ways we uh I think we addressed that last year with the amendments.
29:02We we did a sort of a comprehensive look at the um allowable species types that people can incorporate into their development, and we did remove several species that um, you know, maybe maybe were considered okay 20, 30 years ago are are now not okay.
29:19Bradford pair being an example.
29:21Um, so we've now removed those from the list of acceptable uh species to plant.
29:30Eric, you said something important there with um when you guys looked at it, you actually saw that there's a a chance for some cost savings um for planting natives.
29:40And I think that's something that as this kind of works through and gets out there, we should definitely harp on and make some type of info paper on and say, hey, listen, you know, yes, it's it's better.
29:50And there are cost savings, you know, we're not just looking to.
29:53I think some type people look at text amendment changes and think we're just trying to usually drive up the price that this is an opportunity.
30:00I think we should really drill down on that to show people, hey, this is an opportunity where you can do better for the environment and save money.
30:06So I think I think as this rolls through if you guys can have some type of info paper on that to go with, I think that would be a pretty good PR thing.
30:12We could partner with open lands.
30:14It's their it's their study.
30:16Um, but there I don't think they would have any any concerns about us utilizing that in some sort of um some sort of public informational piece.
30:25I just think that's a tax amendment that comes with a win, and that's we should take wins where we can get them.
30:29So I think that's a good thing.
30:31I couldn't agree more.
30:33Um other questions, comments.
30:44Um, we're moving on to 8.7.
30:47Eric, you have a director's report today.
30:49I have a brief director's report.
30:50This is a reminder to the members of the committee and the board as a whole that upcoming uh next week on Wednesday, we have our first workshop for the Lake County Housing Coalition.
31:03Uh, this follows the kickoff meeting, a very successful meeting, I should say, uh, that we had in in June.
31:09Um, the September 10th meeting is at the same location at the barn at Timber Point off of Gilmer and Mundaline.
31:17Um, this is the first opportunity to sort of dig into some of the statistical details of that, the degree uh to which we're uh running behind in housing production in the county.
31:29We're gonna be talking a lot about the about the numbers, talking about the trends and getting into some small group discussions about um goals and aspirations for the group.
31:41This workshop uh portion of the series of meetings is going to be where committee uh rather participants on the in the coalition are going to sort of roll up their sleeves and work together jointly on um moving forward the sort of policy um elements of the coalition and some of the best practices of the coalition.
32:05So this first workshop is a sort of an exercise to set the table for that series of more technical oriented um meetings that are going to be taking place over the next four months prior to the the wrap-up summit that we're gonna have in February of 2026.
32:24So look forward to that.
32:26If you haven't RSVP'd already, if you'd like to attend, please do so.
32:31We would like to have a uh good head count by the end of the week.
32:36We're also gonna be asking our board members, as we did last time in advance of the kickoff meeting to assist us with recruiting any uh municipal stragglers that have not yet RSDP'd to the event, and we'll be sending out um a communication to our board members later this week.
32:54Um I believe today is the day that the um the coalition team is going to be sending out a a meeting reminder to all the folks that attended the first meeting, and we had over um a hundred uh participants at this last one, very well attended meeting.
33:12Um, we want to make sure that we can maintain that momentum for meeting two, especially among our municipal counterparts where a lot of the difficult work is going to happen around um regulatory change and so forth in the coming years.
33:26So looking forward to to getting assist from our board members to do that recruitment effort in the coming days.
33:32Yeah, just let us know.
33:34That first meeting, the kickoff meeting was incredible.
33:36The place was packed.
33:38And I'm hoping you know, we continue with this momentum.
33:41And if anybody is able, any of the board members are able to attend, it would be really amazing to see as many board members as we can there and um to really show our support for this effort.
33:55And it's a really important effort, the affordable housing.
33:58And um, you know, we've got to do whatever we can to get municipalities excited to partner with us and to make this a big goal of theirs as well, because it's clear there's an issue.
34:14It's you know, there's lots of data to show that we don't have enough housing.
34:19So we've got to get these partnerships going.
34:21So we're all on the same page trying to get more housing here, which is also gonna help bring more companies here and bring more businesses here.
34:29And it's all part of the same continuum.
34:31So we all should be interested in working on this project.
34:38Real quick question, Eric.
34:39So yesterday uh you advocated for enhancing state uh credits for attainable housing.
34:47Will you be discussing that at this meeting and and just you know, kind of outlining it or that won't be a topic for this particular workshop, but when we get further along in the process and one of the later workshops, we're gonna be talking about other sort of approaches beyond the local to increasing the supply of housing production.
35:04And that's you know, that is certainly one of the areas in which we can see some major benefit to local and regional efforts to increase housing supply by obtaining more incentives for subsidizing housing at the at the local and regional level.
35:24So this is more background session nature.
35:34Is that your report?
35:36Thank you very much.
35:37We're really looking forward to September 10th.
35:40And I believe Ruth Ann has a report.
35:42Yes, just a couple quick items on Thursday, August 21st.
35:47Lake County hosted a public listening session for its upcoming urban and community forestry strategic plan.
35:53And this plan was approved by the county board at its meeting in October of 2024.
35:59At the listening session, our forestry consultant Davy Resource Group presented an overview of the plan development, the data analysis on the current state of the urban forest for Lake County, and the first draft of strategic priorities and actions being recommended.
36:14We had 28 residents who attended the meeting, and they provided some written comments for staff to work towards incorporating into the final plan.
36:23And those residents were also given the opportunity to follow up with additional items and ideas by contacting county staff and be notified about the progress on the plan's development.
36:34All this being said, we're hopeful to get a first full draft of that urban and community forestry strategic plan to staff here in early September and bring it back here to the committee in October, early November, um, to get that approved by you so we can move forward to final adoption by the county board this year.
36:58And then I also wanted to share a quick update.
37:00Um I know a lot of questions have come in on the land development fee schedule.
37:06Um, the questions for staff.
37:08That is an item that is still on old business.
37:11It was referred back to the committee at the county board meeting on um March 11th.
37:17We did check in with staff, they are continuing to do the research and work on that.
37:22So it's still ongoing, and we'll be coming back at a future meeting when they've completed their research.
37:28Thank you for that update.
37:30Is there any executive session?
37:32No need for executive session.
37:34Okay, any member remarks?
37:38So I'm going to adjourn our meeting until our next meeting is October 8th, 2025.
37:44And thank you all for coming today.