All right.

We will go ahead and call committee of the hold to order.

And um first move to approve the minutes of the October 13th meeting without the necessity of a reading.

Second.

Motion's been made and seconded.

Any discussion?

Hearing none.

All those in favor?

Aye.

And that motion passes.

Okay.

So our main item on the docket tonight.

Welcome.

Um is the communication for me about um updating about the city hall, uh space uh concerns.

Um just to give us a little refresher on that.

So this has been a sort of ongoing discussion.

Uh we know at the sort of around this time, December last year, uh the mayor and I did a communication uh about the space study um and acknowledging the challenges of the space issues here at City Hall, particularly as it relates to the police department and particularly the female police locker rooms, but generally the police department.

And then we've been through a few different um explorations.

Uh where we are now is since we had the recommendation from the administration to purchase the Warren Road building.

Uh as we were considering that potential possibility, uh, we also wanted to do all the due diligence on the various possible options as well as the potential costs um and benefits of doing that uh Warren Road uh purchase and rehabilitation.

So since that time, um council Vice President Baker, Councilman Evans, and myself have formed a working group working with the planning department and the administration um to go through some of the questions that council members had been asking in terms of what are the possible options to solve the space issues, how much would each option potentially cost, uh, what are the operational and customer service pros and cons of each.

So uh as we've worked through that, we sort of narrowed those down into essentially three options.

Of course, there are many more options than that, but just to have a digestible conversation and kind of get our heads around this issue.

We sort of centered around three specific options.

So uh how could an addition be built onto the current city hall of sufficient size to address the space issues and how much would that cost?

How much would it cost to fully gut and renovate the Warren Road building and retrofit the current city hall into a justice center?

And then um some of the other questions.

We also had the option of doing the small edition, which was originally presented as an option as well, um, that would just specifically address some of the police issues, but not a lot of the other issues.

And then some of the other questions we had were uh how do the city hall improvements previously laid out in the five year capital plan, for example the window replacements fit into the overall budget and timing of the proposed project options and what are the ongoing operational costs and the customer service and efficiency pros and cons of each.

So since that time uh we've been working with our consultants uh from Weber Murphy Fox, so we're joined by David Thal from Weber Murphy Fox tonight, as well as our PMC consultants.

So uh we have um Chris Pin Peniche, Pini thank you, and Ken Kalinchuk.

We were very familiar with Ken, of course, from PMC, uh, here to kind of help us through some of those explorations.

Um they've prepared a presentation to walk us through um each of those.

So before I jump over to them, um Vice President Baker or Councilman Evans, do you have anything to add that I've left out there?

Um Thank you, President Keppel.

And the only thing I'd I'd add is that um you know, as as we talked about uh earlier when you know uh the shared priorities of of Space City Hall finding extra space for the police department to meet the modern um 21st century policing.

Uh the but these I I want to caution folks as we go through these, and I'm sure our consultants will uh help um reiterate this point.

This is not like this is what a detailed cost would be.

These are scale costs so that we understand kind of like orders of magnitude if we pick one route what it likely might be, but there's not a lot of detail on the bone to then provide that estimate.

So it's very conceptual.

I'm sure they will say that, but I just want to share with my colleagues in the public that it is very conceptual.

Yes, thank you.

That's a good point.

We're we're just trying to get to the point where we had sort of apples to apples comparisons of the three options, so all kind of at the same high level conceptual.

And we'll probably say those words repeatedly tonight.

So okay, any other comments?

No, colleagues?

All right.

Um so I'll turn it over to Chris and David.

You push the button, it should turn red, and then we should hear you.

Okay, there we go.

Perfect.

It's a faint red.

So good evening, everyone.

My name is Chris Paniki.

I am with PMC.

I just wanted to do a quick introduction and then kind of give a little background on myself.

I've been with PMC about almost a year and a half now, a little more.

Part of that, I ran the CAP work at Case Western Reserve University for about 10 years.

So I have a lot of capital work experience from brand new buildings to a lot of existing buildings on campus.