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Lakewood Public Safety Committee Meeting on Flock ALPR Contract - October 7, 2026

Council Meetings — Wednesday, October 7, 2026
BodyLakewood, Ohio
SessionCouncil Meetings
DateWednesday, October 7, 2026
StatusFILED
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Speaker 1

0:01

All right.

0:01

It is 7 15.

0:06

We're going, I'm going to go ahead and call the October 12th public safety committee meeting to order, with all members being present.

0:15

We have two items on the agenda.

0:17

The first is approval of the minutes of the July 20th, 2026 Public Safety Committee meeting.

Speaker 2

0:23

So moved

Unassigned speaker

0:26

uh

Speaker 1

0:27

the second is a communication from uh council member Hamilton Steiner, Council President Keppel, and Vice President Baker regarding um I'm sorry, let me go back.

0:38

I think we have to vote on that.

Speaker 3

0:43

Sorry.

Unassigned speaker

0:44

Okay,

Speaker 1

0:44

we're gonna reset.

0:48

Sorry.

0:49

Okay, first is approval of the minutes of the Ly 20th, 2026 Public Safety Committee meeting.

0:55

Do I have a motion?

Speaker 4

0:56

Motion to approve.

Speaker 1

0:59

Okay.

1:00

And um all members in favor.

1:04

Aye.

1:04

That motion carries.

1:06

The second is a communication from Councilmember Hamilton Steiner, Council President Campbell, Vice President Baker regarding the study of Lakewood Flock contract.

1:14

Um since we do have a number of folks that are signed in, and I know we have a presentation, I'm not gonna go ahead and read that communication.

1:22

But my goal for this meeting is a conversation with members of council and administration.

1:28

We have Chief Fisher here as a representative as well as our law director, Ernie Vargo, to be able to have questions asked, concerns addressed, and an opportunity for the public to hear firsthand about the city's use of the FLAC technology.

1:41

This has been a topic of community and online conversation, and I know that my email has been getting flooded with questions, information sent, and of course, questions asked at public events, public meetings, wherever I go.

Unassigned speaker

1:52

If folks are comfortable, just asking the question, what are we doing with Flock and engaging in that conversation?

Speaker 1

1:58

I want to be able to listen to their concerns, relay reliable information, and work in partnership with administration to ensure the safety of all of our residents, visitors, and our officers, whom I know are committed to public safety, so that all of us are safe.

2:13

So before we dig in, I want to know if any um council members had any opening comments or remarks they wanted to um say or speak on, or are we ready to dig in?

2:26

President Keppel.

Speaker 3

2:27

Thank you.

2:28

Um and thank you for uh organizing this meeting tonight and uh Chief Fisher and Dr.

2:34

Vargo for being here.

2:35

Um I just want to level set to you again that there's nothing, as you said, there's nothing for us uh to vote on tonight other than receiving and filing this communication.

2:45

This isn't um we're not approving or denying a contract tonight.

2:50

Uh this is to help folks understand the conversations that we've been having in response to concerns um and get that out in the open and be transparent.

2:58

Make sure council members have that information as well.

3:01

I also want to note that um I think that this topic is representative of a lot of what's happening in our country right now.

3:11

Um, and the our concerns about big tech.

3:16

Um I have a technology education business.

3:18

I've been warning people about AI uh for literally years, and um, you know, and so there's concerns about that.

3:26

You know, we all saw the Super Bowl commercial where it's like, oh great, we can find this missing dog through ring cameras, and it's like, oh, if you can do that with facial recognition, what else can you do?

Unassigned speaker

3:35

So

Speaker 3

3:36

um we see you know, technology companies not acting responsibly.

3:40

We have a federal government that's not um doing anything to police or uh restrict or put boundaries on that work.

3:49

We have um concerns about data usage, data centers.

3:53

So this sort of I think what often happens is we uh we have concerns about federal government using military um on its own citizens, you know, we have and and immigrants.

4:06

So all of this gets sort of boiled it down, and we see it sometimes land on something local like this.

4:14

Um it's not to say that any of those all of those concerns are valid and share all of them.

4:19

Um I also both things can be true that we can have concerns about those larger big picture issues, the specifics of a program that we use locally, and um one thing I just want to also say is what I haven't heard a lot from residents is concerns about our Lakewood police department's usage.

4:39

It's mostly concerned about how other people would use our data.

4:44

So I just want to make that clear.

4:45

Um, and we just had a wonderful presentation about the crisis intervention training and all the good work um the LPD is doing for that.

Unassigned speaker

4:52

So both things can be true that we can have concerns about technology and data usage and privacy and rights, and um that those concerns are not necessarily specific to our Lakewood Police Department.

Speaker 3

5:06

So just want to set that out and um look forward to a good conversation tonight.

Speaker 1

5:11

Thank you.

5:12

Any other council members?

5:14

Okay.

5:15

All right.

5:15

I'm gonna turn it over to you, G.

5:17

Fisher.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Technology and Innovation█████████████████████████████████████████████59%
Public Safety██████████████████████████34%
Procedural██3%
Immigration Policy██3%
Public Engagement█1%
Summary of Proceedings

Lakewood Public Safety Committee Meeting on Flock ALPR Contract - October 7, 2026

Note on Meeting Date: The meeting agenda and transcript record the meeting date as October 12, 2026. The required date for this summary is October 7, 2026.

The Public Safety Committee convened to discuss a communication from Councilmembers regarding the City of Lakewood's contract with Flock Safety for an Automatic License Plate Reader (ALPR) surveillance program. Chief Matthew Fisher and Law Director Ernie Vargo presented an overview of the program's history, current operations, and policy updates. Councilmembers raised questions about data sharing, privacy, and contract terms. Members of the public provided testimony expressing concerns about civil liberties and the trustworthiness of the third-party vendor.

Consent Calendar

  • The committee unanimously approved the minutes of the July 20, 2026 Public Safety Committee meeting.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Anthony: Expressed full support for not renewing the Flock contract, citing concerns about the company's honesty regarding data collection patterns, the fallibility of ALPR AI (referencing Wired articles and Oshkosh incidents), and the inability to prevent Flock from sharing data with agencies like ICE despite local policies.
  • Edriand: Urged the city to discontinue its contract with Flock, specifically requesting an immediate halt to data sharing with 287(g) agencies and fusion centers. Questioned why the policy allows immigration searches with prior approval, and asked for public disclosure of external agency audits and safeguards against policy changes by the Mayor.
  • Corey Morris: Expressed general concern about the technology and the lack of answers regarding data tracking.
  • Colin Crawford (Rocky River resident): Advocated against the ALPR technology, distinguishing between raw data and metadata. Expressed worry that Lakewood's metadata could be used to train Flock's AI models or track individuals across jurisdictions. Proposed an in-house ALPR system as an alternative to maintain local control.
    • In response to a question from Councilman Bullock, Crawford stated his concern was not specific to the current federal administration but pertained broadly to the private nature of the data holder.

Discussion Items

  • Chief Fisher's Presentation:
    • Provided the history of the ALPR program, starting around 2012, with the Flock contract beginning in 2021 (40 cameras) and expanding to 50 cameras.
    • Noted the current annual cost is $125,000, with a contract running through July 2028 (auto-renewing for 24 months if not terminated 30 days prior).
    • Highlighted successes in solving the Don Gibson murder case and a recent aggravated robbery directly linked via Flock to a subsequent shooting.
    • Stated the department has turned off sharing with federal agencies and the nationwide network, but still shares with 939 agencies (408 in Ohio, 531 out of state).
    • Described updated policies: no facial recognition, 30-day data retention, multi-factor authentication, requirement of a CAD number for searches, appointment of an ALPR coordinator, and a prohibition on searches related to immigration or reproductive rights.
    • Asserted that data ownership belongs to Flock unless downloaded into a case file, though Law Director Vargo later argued that strong contractual restrictions prevent Flock from sharing the data.
  • Councilmember Hamilton Steiner (Chair): Focused on the list of agencies sharing data and the potential for "backdoor" access through fusion centers. Requested clearer audit logs and quarterly reports to Council.
  • Law Director Vargo: Clarified that the contract strictly prevents Flock from sharing city data. Acknowledged questions about ownership and contract terms that would need to be explored during renewal.
  • Vice President Baker: Characterized the issue as a data security problem rather than a local misuse problem. Framed Flock as a private third-party vendor, contrasting it with government-controlled tools. Demanded stronger auditing rights and contract analysis to ensure the vendor's fidelity to the city's rules, analogizing the city's liability to the permanent responsibility for radioactive waste.
  • Council President Kepple: Highlighted the broader national context of big tech and AI. Suggested the city review the Shaker Heights contract as a model for more restrictive terms. Noted the inability under the current software to search by "bumper stickers" but confirmed the system can generate movement patterns. Asked about what checks exist to prevent officers from conducting unrelated searches.
  • Councilmember Bullock: Stated there was no motion to defund the toolset and sought a middle ground between scrapping a valued public safety tool and risking misuse of data. Raised the concept of Council passing a "super policy" resolution that would bind administrative policy changes regarding the technology.
  • Councilmember Bixenstine: Confirmed the ALPR reads license plates only, not faces. Asked how policing would change without Flock, with the Chief stating it would severely hinder efficiency.
  • Councilmember Strebig: Asked about the legal boundaries of data ownership by Flock and the application of ALPR technology to Amber Alerts and missing persons.

Key Outcomes

  • The communication regarding the Flock contract was formally received and filed unanimously. No vote was taken to approve, deny, or modify the contract itself.
  • Council expressed a commitment to continued dialogue with the community and the administration.
  • Multiple councilmembers requested further information on the specific legal language of the Flock contract, especially regarding data ownership, third-party liability, and audit rights, intending to use the findings in preparation for the 2028 contract renewal.
  • The Police Department agreed to work with Council on establishing regular audit reporting and exploring the feasibility of quantitative metrics (e.g., cases solved using ALPR) when the new CAD system goes live in April/May 2027.
  • Councilmember Kepple pointed to the newly signed Shaker Heights contract as a potential template for future negotiations.

Meeting Transcript

All right. It is 7 15. We're going, I'm going to go ahead and call the October 12th public safety committee meeting to order, with all members being present. We have two items on the agenda. The first is approval of the minutes of the July 20th, 2026 Public Safety Committee meeting. So moved uh the second is a communication from uh council member Hamilton Steiner, Council President Keppel, and Vice President Baker regarding um I'm sorry, let me go back. I think we have to vote on that. Sorry. Okay, we're gonna reset. Sorry. Okay, first is approval of the minutes of the Ly 20th, 2026 Public Safety Committee meeting. Do I have a motion? Motion to approve. Okay. And um all members in favor. Aye. That motion carries. The second is a communication from Councilmember Hamilton Steiner, Council President Campbell, Vice President Baker regarding the study of Lakewood Flock contract. Um since we do have a number of folks that are signed in, and I know we have a presentation, I'm not gonna go ahead and read that communication. But my goal for this meeting is a conversation with members of council and administration. We have Chief Fisher here as a representative as well as our law director, Ernie Vargo, to be able to have questions asked, concerns addressed, and an opportunity for the public to hear firsthand about the city's use of the FLAC technology. This has been a topic of community and online conversation, and I know that my email has been getting flooded with questions, information sent, and of course, questions asked at public events, public meetings, wherever I go. If folks are comfortable, just asking the question, what are we doing with Flock and engaging in that conversation? I want to be able to listen to their concerns, relay reliable information, and work in partnership with administration to ensure the safety of all of our residents, visitors, and our officers, whom I know are committed to public safety, so that all of us are safe. So before we dig in, I want to know if any um council members had any opening comments or remarks they wanted to um say or speak on, or are we ready to dig in? President Keppel. Thank you. Um and thank you for uh organizing this meeting tonight and uh Chief Fisher and Dr. Vargo for being here. Um I just want to level set to you again that there's nothing, as you said, there's nothing for us uh to vote on tonight other than receiving and filing this communication. This isn't um we're not approving or denying a contract tonight. Uh this is to help folks understand the conversations that we've been having in response to concerns um and get that out in the open and be transparent. Make sure council members have that information as well. I also want to note that um I think that this topic is representative of a lot of what's happening in our country right now. Um, and the our concerns about big tech. Um I have a technology education business. I've been warning people about AI uh for literally years, and um, you know, and so there's concerns about that. You know, we all saw the Super Bowl commercial where it's like, oh great, we can find this missing dog through ring cameras, and it's like, oh, if you can do that with facial recognition, what else can you do? So um we see you know, technology companies not acting responsibly. We have a federal government that's not um doing anything to police or uh restrict or put boundaries on that work. We have um concerns about data usage, data centers. So this sort of I think what often happens is we uh we have concerns about federal government using military um on its own citizens, you know, we have and and immigrants. So all of this gets sort of boiled it down, and we see it sometimes land on something local like this. Um it's not to say that any of those all of those concerns are valid and share all of them. Um I also both things can be true that we can have concerns about those larger big picture issues, the specifics of a program that we use locally, and um one thing I just want to also say is what I haven't heard a lot from residents is concerns about our Lakewood police department's usage. It's mostly concerned about how other people would use our data.

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