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Note on Meeting Date: The meeting agenda and transcript record the meeting date as October 12, 2026. The required date for this summary is October 7, 2026.
The Public Safety Committee convened to discuss a communication from Councilmembers regarding the City of Lakewood's contract with Flock Safety for an Automatic License Plate Reader (ALPR) surveillance program. Chief Matthew Fisher and Law Director Ernie Vargo presented an overview of the program's history, current operations, and policy updates. Councilmembers raised questions about data sharing, privacy, and contract terms. Members of the public provided testimony expressing concerns about civil liberties and the trustworthiness of the third-party vendor.
All right. It is 7 15. We're going, I'm going to go ahead and call the October 12th public safety committee meeting to order, with all members being present. We have two items on the agenda. The first is approval of the minutes of the July 20th, 2026 Public Safety Committee meeting. So moved uh the second is a communication from uh council member Hamilton Steiner, Council President Keppel, and Vice President Baker regarding um I'm sorry, let me go back. I think we have to vote on that. Sorry. Okay, we're gonna reset. Sorry. Okay, first is approval of the minutes of the Ly 20th, 2026 Public Safety Committee meeting. Do I have a motion? Motion to approve. Okay. And um all members in favor. Aye. That motion carries. The second is a communication from Councilmember Hamilton Steiner, Council President Campbell, Vice President Baker regarding the study of Lakewood Flock contract. Um since we do have a number of folks that are signed in, and I know we have a presentation, I'm not gonna go ahead and read that communication. But my goal for this meeting is a conversation with members of council and administration. We have Chief Fisher here as a representative as well as our law director, Ernie Vargo, to be able to have questions asked, concerns addressed, and an opportunity for the public to hear firsthand about the city's use of the FLAC technology. This has been a topic of community and online conversation, and I know that my email has been getting flooded with questions, information sent, and of course, questions asked at public events, public meetings, wherever I go. If folks are comfortable, just asking the question, what are we doing with Flock and engaging in that conversation? I want to be able to listen to their concerns, relay reliable information, and work in partnership with administration to ensure the safety of all of our residents, visitors, and our officers, whom I know are committed to public safety, so that all of us are safe. So before we dig in, I want to know if any um council members had any opening comments or remarks they wanted to um say or speak on, or are we ready to dig in? President Keppel. Thank you. Um and thank you for uh organizing this meeting tonight and uh Chief Fisher and Dr. Vargo for being here. Um I just want to level set to you again that there's nothing, as you said, there's nothing for us uh to vote on tonight other than receiving and filing this communication. This isn't um we're not approving or denying a contract tonight. Uh this is to help folks understand the conversations that we've been having in response to concerns um and get that out in the open and be transparent. Make sure council members have that information as well. I also want to note that um I think that this topic is representative of a lot of what's happening in our country right now. Um, and the our concerns about big tech. Um I have a technology education business. I've been warning people about AI uh for literally years, and um, you know, and so there's concerns about that. You know, we all saw the Super Bowl commercial where it's like, oh great, we can find this missing dog through ring cameras, and it's like, oh, if you can do that with facial recognition, what else can you do? So um we see you know, technology companies not acting responsibly. We have a federal government that's not um doing anything to police or uh restrict or put boundaries on that work. We have um concerns about data usage, data centers. So this sort of I think what often happens is we uh we have concerns about federal government using military um on its own citizens, you know, we have and and immigrants. So all of this gets sort of boiled it down, and we see it sometimes land on something local like this. Um it's not to say that any of those all of those concerns are valid and share all of them. Um I also both things can be true that we can have concerns about those larger big picture issues, the specifics of a program that we use locally, and um one thing I just want to also say is what I haven't heard a lot from residents is concerns about our Lakewood police department's usage. It's mostly concerned about how other people would use our data.