Public Safety Committee Meeting - March 7, 2023
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Public Safety Committee Meeting - March 7, 2023
The Public Safety Committee of the Louisville Metro Council met on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, at 5:00 PM in the Council Chambers (via video teleconference with some members in chambers). Chair Brent Ackerson called the meeting to order, and a quorum of 8 members was present. The single agenda item was a resolution urging the Kentucky General Assembly to allow Louisville Metro to permanently destroy abandoned, confiscated, or forfeited firearms.
Discussion Items
- R-020-23 (sponsored by Councilmembers Tammy Hawkins and Jeff Hudson): A resolution calling on the Kentucky General Assembly to enact House Bill 325 and Senate Bill 168, which would empower Louisville-Jefferson County Metro Government to permanently destroy firearms in its custody that are abandoned, confiscated, or forfeited.
- Councilmember Hudson explained that currently such firearms must be sent to Kentucky State Police for auction, and documented cases exist where those auctioned guns later resurfaced in crimes. He argued that guns used in crimes, including murders, should be destroyed.
- Councilmember Hawkins voiced full support, stating that gun violence in Louisville is out of control and that taking the pins out of guns would help.
- Councilmember Reed asked about the revenue lost from gun auctions. Hudson replied that it is about $100 per gun, and Hawkins added that Louisville Metro Police Department receives $100,000–$200,000 annually from such sales. The mayor had committed to backfilling that revenue from other sources, though Reed noted that commitment would require budget approval.
- Councilmember Owen noted that each gunshot costs the city hundreds of thousands of dollars, making the lost revenue insignificant in comparison. He referenced a news conference by the mayor featuring the Gwynn family, who lost a son and whose daughter was shot, as a compelling reason for the resolution.
- Councilmember Reed clarified that despite questions about revenue, he supports the resolution for its symbolism and because the $100,000–$200,000 is not significant in the overall budget.
- Multiple members acknowledged that resolutions to the state often fail but argued that local government must continue to express its position.
Key Outcomes
- A motion to recommend approval of R-020-23 was made by Vice Chair Reed and seconded by Councilmember Owen.
- The motion carried by a unanimous voice vote.
- The resolution was sent to the Consent Calendar for consideration by the full Metro Council at its March 16, 2023 meeting.
Meeting Transcript
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