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Parks and Sustainability Committee Tabled Bernheim Forest Pipeline Resolution on March 9, 2023

Metro Council & CommitteesThursday, March 9, 2023
BodyLouisville, Kentucky
SessionMetro Council & Committees
DateThursday, March 9, 2023
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0:02

Yeah.

0:06

Yeah, gotta make it too much three hours.

0:30

Yeah, I know.

0:32

The thing is, is that she has them all that she has a best friend that you're trying to use.

0:43

So we all get to know each other and this is like interesting.

1:04

That's the option.

1:09

Yeah, um, it's actually well, fortunately she played all the file and just keep along with our basic three.

1:53

So they're a golden blue.

2:22

Yeah, went to bed and asking the seven or six months.

2:39

But that's where I can be so.

2:47

And they were from the same list.

2:50

So I can't distance middle.

2:57

That's not new there.

3:03

Somebody suggested.

3:07

Yeah, yeah.

3:08

I think it's what you gotta get.

3:39

Yeah, I don't know.

3:57

Yeah, I'm actually going to like I did this with a second time job and pull my house out, but I'm going to put any three as well.

4:09

I know.

4:12

And uh the second thing is just uh created.

4:21

I would now shoot this and try to stand.

5:48

Peace.

5:49

Welcome to the Parks and Sustainability Committee.

5:51

Today is Thursday, March the 9th, 2023.

5:54

The time is currently 305 p.m.

5:57

I'm Chairman Jacori Arthur.

5:59

We also have Vice Chair Marilyn Parker with committee members Philip Baker, Betsy Ruey, Jeff Hudson, Khalil Batshan, and we have Council Members Owen and Chapel joining us as well.

6:14

This meeting is being held pursuant to KRS six one point eight two six and council rule five A.

6:21

We have one item on our agenda today.

6:25

R-014-23 of resolution opposing the seizure of conservation land for the purpose of building a natural gas pipeline through Birmheim Arbitorium and Research Force.

6:38

May I have a motion?

6:41

Second.

6:42

Thank you so much.

6:45

Our primary sponsor is on the committee.

6:47

Councilwoman.

6:49

It's on you.

6:51

Thank you, Chairman Arthur.

6:52

Good afternoon, everyone.

6:53

This resolution is asking Metro Council to speak out against LGE's attempts to use eminent domain to take land in Burnheim Forest, an area protected by a conservation easement to run a gas line to areas served by another public utility.

7:08

The staff at Burnheim and citizens across the region have fought this proposal since it was first announced.

7:13

And I have supported them.

7:15

Call me the Lorax, I'll speak for the trees, for the trees have no voice, especially in court.

7:20

I know this is not happening in Jefferson County, so many people think we don't have a vested interest, but I think we do.

7:27

As residents of this planet, we're steadily destroying it.

7:30

As ratepayers, we don't want to see our utility invest millions in what will soon become a stranded asset.

7:36

As citizens, we're watching a private company use eminent domain to increase profits for their stockholders.

7:43

And as members of Metro Council, we have passed multiple resolutions in the past three years advocating for renewable energy and a target of net zero greenhouse gas emissions community-wide by 2040.

7:56

We can't get there without pressuring LGE to move away from fossil fuels.

8:06

Thanks to litigation and inflation, the cost is tripled.

8:09

It's no longer the cheapest route.

8:12

In addition, engineers for a utility that already has an easement through that area will not allow LGE to use their land because they say it's unsuitable for a gas pipeline.

8:24

In addition, the country is steadily switching from fossil fuels to renewables.

8:32

Fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource.

8:40

Financially, it doesn't make sense to build more fossil fuel infrastructure.

8:45

And finally, eminent domain is to be used for the public good.

9:08

So I'll ask you to vote in support of this resolution.

9:11

Thank you, and I'll turn it over to our guests who have presentations.

9:19

For our guests, please make sure that you state your name, title, organization if applications.

9:25

Absolutely.

9:26

Absolutely.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Environmental Protection█████████████████████████████████████████████51%
Energy Regulation██████████████16%
Procedural████████████14%
Public Engagement███████8%
Miscellaneous████5%
Pending Litigation████4%
Technology and Innovation██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Parks and Sustainability Committee Tabled Bernheim Forest Pipeline Resolution on March 9, 2023

The Louisville Metro Council Parks and Sustainability Committee met on Thursday, March 9, 2023, at 3:05 p.m. in Council Chambers/virtually. Chair Jecorey Arthur (D-4) presided; eight committee members and non-committee members Andrew Owen and Jennifer Chappell attended. The committee took up one agenda item: R-014-23, a resolution opposing seizure of conservation land for a proposed natural gas pipeline through Bernheim Arboretum and Research Forest. After presentations and several procedural votes, the committee voted 4-3-1 to table the resolution. The meeting adjourned at 4:00 p.m.

Pending Legislation: R-014-23

  • Sponsor Councilwoman Betsy Ruhe (D-21) introduced the resolution as a statement against LGE's use of eminent domain to build a natural gas pipeline across Bernheim Forest, an area protected by a conservation easement. She argued the project's cost has tripled, it would become a stranded asset, it conflicts with Metro Council's prior renewable energy and net-zero greenhouse gas emission goals, and that eminent domain should serve the public good.
  • Committee Member Khalil Batshon moved, and Phillip Baker seconded, to recommend approval; after testimony, debate shifted to a motion to table.

Presentations and Public Testimony

  • Dr. Mark Wourms, Executive Director of Bernheim Arboretum and Research Forest, described Bernheim as a roughly 16,000-acre forest with 350,000 to 400,000 annual visitors, 13 headwater streams, and rare species including endangered bats, golden eagles, and the Bluff Vertigo snail. He said the proposed 12-mile LGE pipeline would cut about 12 acres across the Cedar Grove Wildlife Corridor, permanently fragmenting habitat, breaking conservation easements, and crossing unstable karst terrain. He said LGE, a $1.2 billion company whose parent PPL is worth more than $5 billion, would need to pour concrete into caves and sinkholes and has no credible sustainability plan.
  • Elisa Owen, spokesperson for Kentucky Interfaith Power and Light and a coalition of nonprofits representing 8,450 Jefferson County residents, opposed the pipeline. She argued LGE is moving 180 degrees from 21st-century energy needs, threatening private property rights, conservation easement law, ratepayers, and the climate. She cited the World Wildlife Fund Living Planet report's finding of a 69% drop in monitored vertebrate populations since 1970 and said renewable power with storage is lower-cost and cleaner than natural gas.

Committee Discussion

  • Vice Chair Marilyn Parker questioned why LGE had not been invited and asked how large the affected area would be, and why terrain stability was not a larger concern.
  • Council Member Jeff Hudson said he agreed with almost all of the resolution but could not support subsection 2 of section 1 because he believed it directs a private business how to conduct its business.
  • Council Member Andrew Owen, a non-committee member, argued that LGE is a public-granted monopoly and that eminent domain should be used only when a very high bar is met. He said the pipeline is not such a case and would become a stranded asset.
  • Council Member Jennifer Chappell expressed support for the resolution and said protecting the natural environment is important even though Bernheim is not in Jefferson County.
  • Committee Member Khalil Batshon said the committee should hear LGE's side before voting and moved to table the resolution.
  • Committee Member Cindi Fowler, after conferring with staff, made a motion to reconsider the failed tabling motion so more information could be obtained.
  • Sponsor Ruhe said LGE would have an opportunity to respond before the full Metro Council; Clerk Sonya Harward noted that outside agencies cannot speak at a council meeting.
  • Assistant Jefferson County Attorney Jason Fowler clarified that the resolution is non-binding: it urges or asks LGE to divert resources and does not legally compel LGE to do anything.
  • Clerk Sonya Harward noted procedural limits, including that the same motion cannot be made twice and that reconsideration was the available path.

Key Outcomes

  • First motion to table R-014-23 failed: 3 yes (Parker, Hudson, Batshon), 4 no (Arthur, Baker, Fowler, Ruhe), 1 abstention (Mulvihill).
  • Motion to reconsider the tabling vote carried: 4 yes (Fowler, Parker, Hudson, Batshon), 3 no (Arthur, Baker, Ruhe), 1 abstention (Mulvihill).
  • Second motion to table R-014-23 carried: 4 yes (Fowler, Parker, Hudson, Batshon), 3 no (Arthur, Baker, Ruhe), 1 abstention (Mulvihill). The resolution was tabled.
  • Committee Member Pat Mulvihill abstained on all matters because his wife is employed by LGE.
  • No recommendation was sent to the full Metro Council; the item remains pending before the committee.

Meeting Transcript

Yeah. Yeah, gotta make it too much three hours. Yeah, I know. The thing is, is that she has them all that she has a best friend that you're trying to use. So we all get to know each other and this is like interesting. That's the option. Yeah, um, it's actually well, fortunately she played all the file and just keep along with our basic three. So they're a golden blue. Yeah, went to bed and asking the seven or six months. But that's where I can be so. And they were from the same list. So I can't distance middle. That's not new there. Somebody suggested. Yeah, yeah. I think it's what you gotta get. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm actually going to like I did this with a second time job and pull my house out, but I'm going to put any three as well. I know. And uh the second thing is just uh created. I would now shoot this and try to stand. Peace. Welcome to the Parks and Sustainability Committee. Today is Thursday, March the 9th, 2023. The time is currently 305 p.m. I'm Chairman Jacori Arthur. We also have Vice Chair Marilyn Parker with committee members Philip Baker, Betsy Ruey, Jeff Hudson, Khalil Batshan, and we have Council Members Owen and Chapel joining us as well. This meeting is being held pursuant to KRS six one point eight two six and council rule five A. We have one item on our agenda today. R-014-23 of resolution opposing the seizure of conservation land for the purpose of building a natural gas pipeline through Birmheim Arbitorium and Research Force. May I have a motion? Second. Thank you so much. Our primary sponsor is on the committee. Councilwoman. It's on you. Thank you, Chairman Arthur. Good afternoon, everyone. This resolution is asking Metro Council to speak out against LGE's attempts to use eminent domain to take land in Burnheim Forest, an area protected by a conservation easement to run a gas line to areas served by another public utility. The staff at Burnheim and citizens across the region have fought this proposal since it was first announced. And I have supported them. Call me the Lorax, I'll speak for the trees, for the trees have no voice, especially in court. I know this is not happening in Jefferson County, so many people think we don't have a vested interest, but I think we do. As residents of this planet, we're steadily destroying it. As ratepayers, we don't want to see our utility invest millions in what will soon become a stranded asset. As citizens, we're watching a private company use eminent domain to increase profits for their stockholders. And as members of Metro Council, we have passed multiple resolutions in the past three years advocating for renewable energy and a target of net zero greenhouse gas emissions community-wide by 2040. We can't get there without pressuring LGE to move away from fossil fuels. Thanks to litigation and inflation, the cost is tripled. It's no longer the cheapest route.

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