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Budget Finance Economic Development Committee Meeting on January 15, 2026: LCLT Funding and Komohana Hale Rebuild

County Council & CommitteesThursday, January 15, 2026
BodyMaui County, Hawaii
SessionCounty Council & Committees
DateThursday, January 15, 2026
StatusFILED
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7:03

Good morning, everybody.

7:04

Welcome to the budget finance economic development committee.

7:06

It is now January 15th, and it's nine oh seven AM.

7:11

Um, I am Yuki Le Sugimura.

7:13

I'm the chair of this committee, and um I'd like to welcome everybody to this online meeting, and it's being conducted in accordance with the Sunshine Law.

7:21

And as a reminder, when your name is called, if you're not in the council chambers, please identify by name who, if anyone is in the room, vehicle or workspace with you today, and minors do not need to be identified.

7:34

Um like to first welcome Member Batangan.

7:39

Good morning.

7:40

Aloha Kakahiakako.

7:48

There's uh staff on Kihu.

7:50

If anybody wants to get online, thank you.

7:54

Good morning, Member Johnson and Lanai.

7:58

Oh, no.

7:59

Good morning, Chair, Council members, committee members.

8:01

I'm alone in my work uh workspace, and there's no testifiers at the Lanay District office, and it's cold and rainy outside.

8:11

So are you on Lanae?

8:14

Member Oh no, okay.

8:15

No, because of the MPO meet meeting, I couldn't make it in on time, so I figured I'd just do it from home.

8:19

Oh, okay.

8:21

Um I saw you earlier.

8:24

Good morning.

8:26

I am home alone in my workspace with one minor feline, and her name is Jillie.

8:32

Jillie.

8:34

And it's cloudy outside, and looking forward to your meeting.

8:37

Thank you.

8:39

Um, welcome to your family.

8:40

Member Paulton.

8:46

Aloha, remember um Rawlins Fernandez.

9:00

Such a rainy night.

9:01

Um cold weather.

9:02

Um, I am at my private residence alone, and there are currently no testifiers at the Molokai to check office.

9:10

Member Senensi said he may be a little bit late, but he is in the building.

9:14

Member U Hodgins.

9:17

Aloha chair.

9:18

Aloha, everyone.

9:19

Aloha.

9:20

From the office of the mayor, we have Leslie Milner, budget director, Department of Finance, Maria Zelensky, Deputy Director, as long as as well as Marcy Sato, accounting system administrator, Department of Housing, Samalu Mataava, Deputy Director, Corporation Council, um Kari Murakami.

9:40

Thank you very much for being here.

9:42

Good morning.

9:43

As and from um other resources.

9:45

Do we have Autumn Ness here?

9:47

I didn't see her.

9:49

Oh, she is online.

9:50

Okay, thank you.

9:51

Um, Autumn Ness will be presenting the first item, Lahaina Community Land Trust, Executive Director, and members with no objections like to designate uh Miss Ness of the Lahaina Community Land Trust as a resource under Rule 18A of the rules of the council.

10:06

No objection.

10:07

Yeah, thank you.

10:08

Um committee staff, thank you very much.

10:09

Lay Denin, Council Services Assistant Clerk, Peter Hanano, Legislative Attorney, Kirsten Zabo, legislative analyst, Ellen Um McKinley, legislative analyst, Pauline Martin, senior committee secretary.

10:23

Please see the last page of the agenda for information on meeting connectivity.

10:29

Thank you, members, for attending today's BFED committee meeting.

10:33

We have three items on the agenda this morning.

10:35

Agenda items are BFED 20, item number 24, discussion on bill four 2026, amending fiscal year 26 budget, grant to Lahaina Community Land Trust, BFED 2023, discussion on Bill 3 2026, amending the fiscal year 26 budget, Department of Housing, Interm Financing and Buyback Revolving Fund, Como Hana Hale Apartments Rebuild.

11:03

BFED 20, item 22, fiscal year 25, and fiscal year 26 carry over savings.

11:11

So do we have anyone here for testimony?

11:16

Yep.

11:17

Could you no one signed up to testify at the beginning of the meeting, Chair?

11:20

Okay, I see somebody coming to the podium.

11:24

So please state your name and let us know what item you'll be testifying on.

11:32

Jesse Law from Kulauka Wakoa Hopua.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Affordable Housing████████████████████████████████████████████44%
Budget█████████████████████████████████████37%
Procedural█████5%
Hawaiian Homelands████4%
Community Engagement███3%
Insurance███3%
Public Engagement██2%
Housing██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Budget Finance Economic Development Committee Meeting on January 15, 2026

The Budget Finance Economic Development (BFED) Committee of the Maui County Council met on January 15, 2026, at 9:07 AM, chaired by Yuki Le Sugimura. The meeting covered three agenda items: a discussion on Bill 4 (amending FY26 budget to provide an additional $5 million to the Lahaina Community Land Trust), a discussion on Bill 3 (amending FY26 budget to recognize $2 million in insurance proceeds for the Komohana Hale Apartments rebuild), and a deferred item on carryover savings. Public testimony was heard on both bills.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Jesse Law (Kulauka Wakoa Hopua) testified on both items, expressing support and quoting Proverbs 24. He stated he was present to listen and learn for the Kanaka Maoli (full-blooded Hawaiian person).
  • Caroline Waloa (Lahaina Community Land Trust) thanked the committee for its support, emphasizing the importance of keeping Lahaina's people and identity intact. She expressed full support for the work being done.
  • Langford (testifier) expressed 100% support for the $5 million and offered software support. He praised the collaborative approach.
  • Royal House of Hawaii and Lahaina (testifier) objected to any decision-making regarding land, claiming that all land is under royal patent and that descendants have not been consulted. They demanded that lands be returned to royal patent descendants, citing international law violations.

Discussion Items

Bill 4 – Amendment to FY26 Budget: Grant to Lahaina Community Land Trust (LCLT)

The committee discussed Bill 4, which proposes to:

  • Recognize $5 million in estimated revenue from general fund carryover savings.
  • Increase the Department of Housing grant to LCLT from $6 million to $11 million.
  • Delete a $5 million grant condition tied to the Open Space, Natural Resources, Cultural Resources, and Scenic Views Preservation Fund.

Presentation by Autumn Ness, Executive Director of LCLT:

  • LCLT has protected 19 parcels zoned for up to 45 units, with 13 titled properties, 2 planned-giving properties, 5 in escrow, and 8 families under construction. The total is 28–29 parcels protected in two years.
  • The Keep Lahaina Home program (insurance gap funding) has leveraged $2.8 million of the $3.5 million allocated, with construction costs averaging $400 per square foot (below the CDBGDR estimate of $500).
  • LCLT raised $9.4 million in private donations in calendar year 2025, plus $50,000 from the Kaluheo program (28 local business partners).
  • A $5 million anonymous matching grant is pending.
  • The need for speed is critical: some parcels are listed for less than 5–7 days, and disaster capitalists are poised to buy land after the upcoming settlement payouts. LCLT needs a cash reserve to compete.
  • The managed retreat fund ($5 million) may not be used; LCLT is working with Hūʻao Pāʻa to help families apply for the ʻĀina Kapuna exemption, potentially allowing the funds to lapse.
  • The transfer of 266 Dickinson Street from the county to LCLT is stalled due to paperwork issues.

Questions from Councilmembers:

  • Councilmember Uʻi Hodgins asked about oversight and reconciliation of purchases. Deputy Director Samalu Mataava explained that reimbursement claims are reviewed against the grant scope; no claims have been rejected.
  • Councilmember Rollins Fernandez asked about long-term sustainability. Ness replied that the front-loading will slow down as land is secured, and LCLT will shift to a stewardship organization. She noted that lessons learned include using external consultants and software (Public House, Home Keeper, Salesforce) to expedite work.
  • Councilmember Johnson asked about the 266 Dickinson property and the CDBGDR (Hōʻokūmāho) program rules. Nes clarified that if a homeowner starts any construction (including planning/permitting), they may be disqualified from Hōʻokūmāho. Councilmember Paulton added that the federal government avoids mid-rebuild intervention.
  • Councilmember Paulton asked about first-time homebuyer eligibility for LCLT homes. Mataava noted the Department of Housing has a separate first-time homebuyer program with a waitlist. A follow-up letter was requested to clarify CDBGDR first-time homebuyer opportunities.
  • Councilmember Batangan asked about local families helped. Ness stated that more than half of LCLT purchases come from families who reach out before listing.
  • Councilmember Senensi asked about leveraging county funds for private donations. Ness confirmed that the first county budget allocation helped attract other funders.
  • Councilmember Senensi also asked about state tax exemptions and legislation. Ness mentioned a potential bill to add housing protection as a fifth component of conservation easements.
  • Chair Lee asked about prevailing wages for volunteer labor (Habitat for Humanity, Mennonite Disaster Services). Corporation Counsel will provide a written answer.

Key Statistics:

  • LCLT has recorded 20% of all real estate transactions in Lahaina since the fires (13 of 66 recorded transactions).
  • The first eight families in the Keep Lahaina Home program represent over 1,500 collective years of residence in West Maui.
  • Total county funding to LCLT in FY2024-25 was $15 million (plus $3.6 million private). In FY2025-26, $6 million is currently being spent down, with $2.8 million remaining.

Bill 3 – Amendment to FY26 Budget: Komohana Hale Apartments Rebuild

Bill 3 proposes to recognize $2 million in estimated revenues in the Housing Interim Financing and Buyback Revolving Fund and appropriate the funds for pre-development costs (site assessment) for the Komohana Hale Apartments rebuild. The insurance proceeds total $4.9 million, but only $2 million is being appropriated at this time.

Presentation by Budget Director Leslie Milner and Deputy Director of Finance Maria Zelinski:

  • The insurance proceeds were recorded in the enterprise fund where the capital asset was held, consistent with GASB accounting standards.
  • The fund is a proprietary fund with little activity, which is why it is not normally included in the budget.
  • Additional research is needed on the historical background of the fund, established in 1979.

Questions from Councilmembers:

  • Councilmember Paulton asked about insurance for other county-owned properties (Lahaina Crossroads, Kahaleakiola). Deputy Director Mataava stated that insurance is carried by the property manager (Hale Mahaolu) and that a follow-up letter to Risk Management will be sent to inquire about policies.
  • Councilmember Paulton asked about the total insurance payout ($4.9 million) and why only $2 million is recognized. The remaining funds will be requested later as the design-build phase progresses.
  • Councilmember Johnson asked about the wording “site work” vs. “construction.” The site assessment is a prerequisite for the design-build RFP.
  • Chair Lee asked about the legal and accounting basis for depositing proceeds in the enterprise fund. Marcy Sato (Accounting System Administrator) explained that insurance proceeds for enterprise funds are recorded as offsets to capital assets per GASB.
  • Councilmember Paulton noted that the revolving fund name is identical to another fund, causing confusion. The committee agreed to defer action until additional research clarifies the original intent.

Key Outcomes

  • Bill 4 (LCLT Funding): The committee deferred the item to allow for follow-up letters on several questions: (1) status of 266 Dickinson transfer, (2) admin fee cap for the grant, (3) clarification on CDBGDR first-time homebuyer program, (4) overall housing unit production tracking, (5) prevailing wage requirements for volunteer labor. No vote was taken.
  • Bill 3 (Komohana Hale): The committee deferred the item pending additional research on the legal basis for the fund and the confusion over the fund name. A follow-up letter will be sent to Risk Management regarding insurance policies for county-owned properties. No vote was taken.
  • Carryover Savings Item (BFED-22): Deferred due to time constraints (Budget Director Leslie Milner had to leave).
  • The committee will reconvene to consider passage on second and final reading for both bills on January 23, 2026.

Meeting Transcript

Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the budget finance economic development committee. It is now January 15th, and it's nine oh seven AM. Um, I am Yuki Le Sugimura. I'm the chair of this committee, and um I'd like to welcome everybody to this online meeting, and it's being conducted in accordance with the Sunshine Law. And as a reminder, when your name is called, if you're not in the council chambers, please identify by name who, if anyone is in the room, vehicle or workspace with you today, and minors do not need to be identified. Um like to first welcome Member Batangan. Good morning. Aloha Kakahiakako. There's uh staff on Kihu. If anybody wants to get online, thank you. Good morning, Member Johnson and Lanai. Oh, no. Good morning, Chair, Council members, committee members. I'm alone in my work uh workspace, and there's no testifiers at the Lanay District office, and it's cold and rainy outside. So are you on Lanae? Member Oh no, okay. No, because of the MPO meet meeting, I couldn't make it in on time, so I figured I'd just do it from home. Oh, okay. Um I saw you earlier. Good morning. I am home alone in my workspace with one minor feline, and her name is Jillie. Jillie. And it's cloudy outside, and looking forward to your meeting. Thank you. Um, welcome to your family. Member Paulton. Aloha, remember um Rawlins Fernandez. Such a rainy night. Um cold weather. Um, I am at my private residence alone, and there are currently no testifiers at the Molokai to check office. Member Senensi said he may be a little bit late, but he is in the building. Member U Hodgins. Aloha chair. Aloha, everyone. Aloha. From the office of the mayor, we have Leslie Milner, budget director, Department of Finance, Maria Zelensky, Deputy Director, as long as as well as Marcy Sato, accounting system administrator, Department of Housing, Samalu Mataava, Deputy Director, Corporation Council, um Kari Murakami. Thank you very much for being here. Good morning. As and from um other resources. Do we have Autumn Ness here? I didn't see her. Oh, she is online. Okay, thank you. Um, Autumn Ness will be presenting the first item, Lahaina Community Land Trust, Executive Director, and members with no objections like to designate uh Miss Ness of the Lahaina Community Land Trust as a resource under Rule 18A of the rules of the council. No objection. Yeah, thank you. Um committee staff, thank you very much. Lay Denin, Council Services Assistant Clerk, Peter Hanano, Legislative Attorney, Kirsten Zabo, legislative analyst, Ellen Um McKinley, legislative analyst, Pauline Martin, senior committee secretary. Please see the last page of the agenda for information on meeting connectivity.

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