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Maui County Kōmike Aloha ʻĀina Meeting on Kalawao County Transition - August 21, 2026

County Council & CommitteesFriday, August 21, 2026
BodyMaui County, Hawaii
SessionCounty Council & Committees
DateFriday, August 21, 2026
StatusNEW · FILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
0:33

Aloha we na la kako umikuma kolu minuke i hala okayola e kahi ma iva kalua o ka maka hiki eluakau kani uvukalua kuma ono elu olumai e ho omalu ke komike aloha aina oval okiani Rollins Fernandez, Kaluna ho malu okei ako mike.

0:58

Uh it is one thirteen on August 20, 2026.

1:04

Will the comiki alohaina please come to order?

1:07

I'm your chair, Kiani Rollins Fernandez.

1:10

Okay, and EK Yala may Kokako Aya Hoppeluna Hoomalu Otamara Poltain.

1:18

Aloha.

1:19

Il.

1:22

Um in person we have committee member Kawanoi Batangan.

1:28

Aloha kakako.

1:30

Aloha.

1:32

Uh also in person.

1:34

Uh we have committee member Shane Senensi.

1:38

Aloha winal ka kohaumia kikanaka uh makeama obahana.

1:46

Maha alo.

1:48

And uh voting committee members that may be joining us online at some point, are um committee member Tom Cook, committee member Alice Lee, and committee member Yukile Sugimura.

2:02

But in person are our non-voting committee members.

2:06

Uh Councilmember Gabe Johnson.

2:08

Aloha.

2:10

Aloha chair and aloha committee members.

2:12

I'm here ready work.

2:13

Thank you.

2:15

And Councilmember Nohe Lani Uuhaj.

2:18

Aloha chair, aloha everyone.

2:20

Aloha.

2:21

Okay.

2:22

Um we have invited from the administration, the Office of the Mayor, uh Public Affairs Director Mahina Martin, uh, Department of Management, Managing Director Josiah Nishita, and Department of OEV resources, Director Kapono Ai Molitao, and Deputy Director Kekai Robinson.

2:41

Um both um representatives from Department of OEV resources will not be able to join us today because of the hurricane.

2:52

Uh so they're helping our sister county on Hawaii Island.

2:58

Uh joining us in person are committee staff, committee secretary Lori Ann Tengan, legislative analyst Ryan Maria Ramirez, legislative analyst Kirsten Sabo, legislative attorney Megan Moniz, and Hawaiian language communications specialist Kepa Ravel.

3:19

Aloha.

3:27

Because this is a 7B presentation with no legislative action.

3:37

Okay, so our one agenda item is transitioning Kalawal County to Maui County.

3:43

Uh for today, we have no legislative action planned.

3:46

It is meant uh to be in for informational only to all parties for the record.

3:53

As mentioned at our previous meetings and uh meeting in January, due to the unprecedented nature of the transition of Kalawau County to Maui County, it's important uh to me and our community here that these meetings be held here on Molokai, which provides easier uh ease of access for our community's voice to be heard.

4:13

Uh to recap, uh we held uh our last ka'a meeting, uh meeting here on Molokai in January.

4:26

And um last February, uh, we held the first meeting on on this item on Maui in the chambers in the council chambers.

4:36

And this year, um this past session, uh Senate Bill 1432 was um again introduced and it made its way through all the committees and was signed into law as Act 171 on June 26, 2026.

4:55

Act 171 will be triggered after the last patients, uh last patient leaves us.

5:02

It repeals statutory language that created Kalawell County one year after it is triggered, placing the area under jurisdiction of Maui County.

5:12

Representative Mahina Poipoy did introduce amendments to that legislation to extend the transition time to two years to acknowledge potential unforeseen costs that could arise that the state uh would help cover, and to explicitly say that this bill does not preempt uh the ability for the Molokai community to become Wolokai County.

5:40

Uh but those while those amendments did pass in her committee, uh those amendments were removed in conference committee.

5:47

So what was signed into law did not include those amendments.

5:52

As we heard in both previous committee meetings, the land ownership of Department of Land and Natural Resources and the Department of Hawaiian Homelands will remain unchanged, meaning they will stay under those two departments.

6:05

The Department of Health has already started the transition of much of their on-the-ground Kuleana to National Park Service, and uh will no longer govern Kalawau County after that year.

6:18

Having only a year to transition is a very short amount of time, and my preference would be to prepare legislation to have ready to pass as soon as it's time.

6:30

As a county, we have our normal operations, rules, policies that may not immediately fit this special area.

6:38

For today's meeting and future meetings until the final transition, I plan to receive updates on the progress of the transition, discuss tasks required the various stakeholders to ensure the transition happens smoothly and in alignment with the Department of Health's two-year time, one year timeline.

6:59

Um examples to consider, uh inclusion of Kalawell County into uh the Molokai Community Plan, updating the mutual aid agreement from the um an agreement with the county uh for fire and police support um from Department of Health to National Park Service, um exemptions to rural property taxes, uh exemptions to DMV for vehicles there until we can you know figure out how it would work, uh inclusion on the Molokai Planning Commission.

7:39

So those are just a few immediate um items that um I thought of uh with the help of the community.

7:49

So in addition to our Ka'al meetings, I've assembled uh an advisory HUI to collaborate with my office and the administration as we move forward.

8:00

Um as of now, the HUI includes the following community members: Representative Poipoy, Lori Buchanan, Mikala Piscaya, DeGray uh Vanderbilt, Val Monson, Justin Newhart, Walter Riddy, Andrew Cuelo, Chantel Pooh, Erica Espaniola, and um Tanani Costales was also invited, uh, but she hasn't attended any of the meetings.

8:30

We've had three meetings to basically go over some of the items that I uh just um outlined.

8:38

And uh again, as I've mentioned to the folks I named, if there's anyone that um should be included uh because they have Kuleana to Kalawau County, they're more than welcome to join.

8:53

This isn't an exclusive club.

8:55

Uh it's just you know, uh a group of folks willing to put our heads together and do the necessary work uh for the transition.

9:05

Again, there is no legislative action plan for today, but we hope that all parties here take the opportunity to clarify any questions they may have on the record.

9:15

Joining us today, we have Nancy Holman, Kalalpapa Superintendent, National Park Service, Katie Lambert, Deputy Director, Department of Hawaiian Homelands, Ryan Kanakaole, Director, Department of Natural Resources, Representatives from the State Department of Health, including Debbie Morikawa, Deputy Director, Health Resources Administration, Dr.

9:39

Diane Felton, Chief, Communicable Disease and Public Health Nursing Division, Baron Chan, Chief Hansen's disease branch, and Michael Casey, planner Hansen's disease branch.

9:56

Managing director Josiah Nishita and Public Affairs Director Mahina Martin.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
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Summary of Proceedings

Maui County Kōmike Aloha ʻĀina Meeting on Transitioning Kalawao County to Maui County – August 21, 2026

Note: The meeting agenda lists Thursday, August 20, 2026, but the instruction for this summary specifies the date as August 21, 2026. The transcript indicates the meeting began at 1:13 p.m. on August 20 and adjourned at 5:17 p.m. on that same day.

The Committee on ʻĀina Aloha (Kōmike Aloha ʻĀina) convened to discuss the transition of Kalawao County into Maui County following the enactment of Act 171 (2026), formerly Senate Bill 1432. The session was informational only, with no legislative action planned. Presentations were delivered by representatives from the National Park Service (NPS), Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (DHHL), Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR), Department of Health (DOH), and the County administration. Public testimony was heard, and committee members engaged resource persons on operational, legal, and community concerns.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Valerie Munson (Executive Director, Kaʻohana o Kalaupapa) expressed support for the transition process but raised questions about the future of the NPS lease, potential homesteading, and community input on access and storytelling. She noted that her organization was founded by patients to amplify their voices and urged continued community dialogue.
  • Lori Buchanan (longtime Molokai resident) voiced strong support for the transition, citing the county’s history of community engagement. She criticized the NPS general management planning process, asserting that stakeholder consultation was cut short and that the programmatic agreement was signed by only one entity. She advocated for transparent process and raised concerns about burial sites and infrastructure costs.
  • Jantel Lindo supported the transition as the safest path to ensure a public process, but cautioned against treating the county as merely a service provider for emergency services. She recommended including experienced emergency personnel in the advisory group and emphasized that Molokai emergency services have operated through personal relationships, not policy.
  • Iruka Cassera spoke in support of eventual Molokai County status, referencing ancestral visions and the need for self-sufficiency. He suggested that Molokai could become its own county using Kalawao’s transition as a catalyst.
  • James Langford offered to assist with Vatican funding connections for Kalaupapa and noted that separate county status for Molokai could be justified based on natural boundaries.
  • DeGray Vanderbilt asked whether NPS Superintendent Nancy Holman planned community meetings (as requested by Representative Tokuda), and inquired about NPS plans for access, fishing regulations, and public portions of Kalaupapa. He also referenced a 2015 NPS internal letter that expressed concerns about the draft general management plan.
  • Lika Wallace expressed support for the transition but noted that recent NPS meetings felt more like briefings than listening sessions.
  • Kanani Costales shared her personal history as a descendant of Kalaupapa patients and urged the committee to honor the legacy of those exiled there. She opposed homesteading by anyone other than Molokai residents and emphasized the cultural and burial significance of the site.
  • Jesse Law (caller) expressed skepticism about federal control and encouraged the committee to think critically about U.S. governance.
  • Walter Riddy stated he came to the meetings hoping Molokai could become its own county, but acknowledged the complexity. He supported the transition as a practical first step and emphasized the need to prepare for the long-term goal of a separate county.

Discussion Items

  • NPS Superintendent Nancy Holman provided an extensive overview of Kalaupapa National Historical Park’s operations, including its mission, staff (46 employees, over half Native Hawaiian from Molokai), annual budget (~$5 million base plus $10 million in project funds), and the significance of the 1980 enabling legislation and general management plan. She noted that only four patients remain. She clarified that access rules (100 visitors/day) cannot change until after the last patient leaves, and that NPS is working with landowners on future management. She offered to hold regular office hours topside for community questions.
  • DHHL Deputy Director Katie Lambert reported that beneficiary consultation for the Molokai Island Plan, which will include Kalaupapa, is expected to begin in February–March 2027. She addressed the legal primacy of DHHL over certain county roles and noted that beneficiary consultation was not triggered for the county jurisdiction change. She confirmed that the department is exploring “pīlina-based” rules for lineal descendants and that homesteading in Kalaupapa would require extensive community discussion.
  • DLNR Director Ryan Kanakaʻole (participating online) updated the committee on DLNR-managed lands (two-thirds of the peninsula, airport, forest reserves). He noted that a cooperative agreement with NPS expires in 2029 and will be renegotiated. He announced that the Board of Land and Natural Resources will consider final approval of a 65-year lease for the Kalaupapa Memorial on August 28, 2026. He also raised concerns about fishing regulations after DOH’s departure, as current exemptions will lapse; DLNR’s aquatic resources division plans place-based management regulations.
  • DOH Deputy Director Debbie Morikawa reported continued environmental remediation and collaboration with NPS. She noted that the Kalaupapa Memorial project is over budget and that DOH is awaiting additional information from Kaʻohana o Kalaupapa. DOH staff will continue care until the last patient leaves, then transition out or be reassigned.
  • Committee questions and discussions focused on: county operational preparations (Chair Rawlins-Fernandez noted she is spearheading an advisory hui with community members); mutual aid agreements for fire and police (a project assignment form has been initiated); property tax exemptions (most lands already exempt; churches can apply); vehicle registration issues (Chair exploring exemptions); and integration into the Molokai Planning Commission (Hawaiian Home Lands are SMA-exempt). Members expressed concern about the short one-year transition timeline and the need to prepare legislation in advance.
  • Resource persons added: Valerie Munson, Lori Buchanan, Jantel Lindo, Kanani Costales, and Walter Riddy were designated as resource persons by the committee (no objections).

Key Outcomes

  • No legislative action was taken; the item was deferred for future discussion.
  • The committee accepted written testimony and will continue to accept submissions via eComment and email.
  • The Chair will transmit written questions to the administration regarding county transition preparations and to DLNR regarding land titles and original land awardees.
  • The Chair noted that an advisory hui (community working group) has been formed and has held three meetings. The group’s immediate focus includes updating the Molokai Community Plan to include Kalawao County, amending mutual aid agreements, and addressing property tax and DMV exemptions.
  • NPS Superintendent Holman agreed to consider holding regular office hours topside for community access and questions.
  • The committee acknowledged the need for continued collaboration among all stakeholders to ensure a smooth transition after the last patient leaves Kalaupapa.

Meeting Transcript

Aloha we na la kako umikuma kolu minuke i hala okayola e kahi ma iva kalua o ka maka hiki eluakau kani uvukalua kuma ono elu olumai e ho omalu ke komike aloha aina oval okiani Rollins Fernandez, Kaluna ho malu okei ako mike. Uh it is one thirteen on August 20, 2026. Will the comiki alohaina please come to order? I'm your chair, Kiani Rollins Fernandez. Okay, and EK Yala may Kokako Aya Hoppeluna Hoomalu Otamara Poltain. Aloha. Il. Um in person we have committee member Kawanoi Batangan. Aloha kakako. Aloha. Uh also in person. Uh we have committee member Shane Senensi. Aloha winal ka kohaumia kikanaka uh makeama obahana. Maha alo. And uh voting committee members that may be joining us online at some point, are um committee member Tom Cook, committee member Alice Lee, and committee member Yukile Sugimura. But in person are our non-voting committee members. Uh Councilmember Gabe Johnson. Aloha. Aloha chair and aloha committee members. I'm here ready work. Thank you. And Councilmember Nohe Lani Uuhaj. Aloha chair, aloha everyone. Aloha. Okay. Um we have invited from the administration, the Office of the Mayor, uh Public Affairs Director Mahina Martin, uh, Department of Management, Managing Director Josiah Nishita, and Department of OEV resources, Director Kapono Ai Molitao, and Deputy Director Kekai Robinson. Um both um representatives from Department of OEV resources will not be able to join us today because of the hurricane. Uh so they're helping our sister county on Hawaii Island. Uh joining us in person are committee staff, committee secretary Lori Ann Tengan, legislative analyst Ryan Maria Ramirez, legislative analyst Kirsten Sabo, legislative attorney Megan Moniz, and Hawaiian language communications specialist Kepa Ravel. Aloha. Because this is a 7B presentation with no legislative action. Okay, so our one agenda item is transitioning Kalawal County to Maui County. Uh for today, we have no legislative action planned. It is meant uh to be in for informational only to all parties for the record. As mentioned at our previous meetings and uh meeting in January, due to the unprecedented nature of the transition of Kalawau County to Maui County, it's important uh to me and our community here that these meetings be held here on Molokai, which provides easier uh ease of access for our community's voice to be heard. Uh to recap, uh we held uh our last ka'a meeting, uh meeting here on Molokai in January. And um last February, uh, we held the first meeting on on this item on Maui in the chambers in the council chambers. And this year, um this past session, uh Senate Bill 1432 was um again introduced and it made its way through all the committees and was signed into law as Act 171 on June 26, 2026. Act 171 will be triggered after the last patients, uh last patient leaves us. It repeals statutory language that created Kalawell County one year after it is triggered, placing the area under jurisdiction of Maui County. Representative Mahina Poipoy did introduce amendments to that legislation to extend the transition time to two years to acknowledge potential unforeseen costs that could arise that the state uh would help cover, and to explicitly say that this bill does not preempt uh the ability for the Molokai community to become Wolokai County. Uh but those while those amendments did pass in her committee, uh those amendments were removed in conference committee. So what was signed into law did not include those amendments. As we heard in both previous committee meetings, the land ownership of Department of Land and Natural Resources and the Department of Hawaiian Homelands will remain unchanged, meaning they will stay under those two departments. The Department of Health has already started the transition of much of their on-the-ground Kuleana to National Park Service, and uh will no longer govern Kalawau County after that year. Having only a year to transition is a very short amount of time, and my preference would be to prepare legislation to have ready to pass as soon as it's time. As a county, we have our normal operations, rules, policies that may not immediately fit this special area. For today's meeting and future meetings until the final transition, I plan to receive updates on the progress of the transition, discuss tasks required the various stakeholders to ensure the transition happens smoothly and in alignment with the Department of Health's two-year time, one year timeline. Um examples to consider, uh inclusion of Kalawell County into uh the Molokai Community Plan, updating the mutual aid agreement from the um an agreement with the county uh for fire and police support um from Department of Health to National Park Service, um exemptions to rural property taxes, uh exemptions to DMV for vehicles there until we can you know figure out how it would work, uh inclusion on the Molokai Planning Commission. So those are just a few immediate um items that um I thought of uh with the help of the community.

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