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Disaster Recovery, International Affairs, and Planning Committee Meeting on License Plate Reader Data and Facial Recognition Technology - September 2, 2026

County Council & CommitteesWednesday, September 2, 2026
BodyMaui County, Hawaii
SessionCounty Council & Committees
DateWednesday, September 2, 2026
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
6:00

Would the Disaster Recovery International Affairs and Planning Committee meeting of September 2nd come to order?

6:06

The time is now 136.

6:08

If everyone can please silence their cell phones or other noise making devices that will help our cause.

6:16

Members in accordance with the sunshine law.

6:19

If you're not in the council chambers, please identify by name.

6:23

Who, if anyone is in the room, vehicle, or workspace with you today.

6:28

Minors do not need to be identified.

6:31

Also, please see the last page of the agenda for information on meeting connectivity.

6:57

Aloha weenal Kako.

6:59

And we also have Councilmember Tom Cook, Aloha Wina La.

7:03

Aloha Winala, Coco.

7:05

And we also have Councilmember Gabe Johnson.

7:07

Aloha win along.

7:09

Aloha Chair, Councilmembers, Community Members.

7:11

There's no testifiers at the Lanaye District Office, and I'm here in ready to work.

7:14

Thank you.

7:15

Thank you.

7:16

Um I'm not sure where Council Chair Alice Lee is.

7:20

She may be absent or she may be coming a little late.

7:22

I haven't been informed.

7:24

Um, we have Councilmember Kiani Rollins Fernandez.

7:27

Aloha Winala.

7:30

Aloha Awina La Chair.

7:32

Aloha Awina La Calko.

7:34

My monka in Oya Hina.

7:35

I'm at my private residence alone right now in about an hour.

7:39

Uh, my minor age children uh will be home from school as well as my husband, Makenna Fernandez.

7:47

Uh, there are currently no testifiers at the Mulcratesh office.

7:50

Mahalo Chair.

7:51

Thank you.

7:52

I did receive word from Member Shane Sinansi that he would be a little bit late.

7:57

Um, Councilmember Yukile Sugimura did inform us that she needs to do something else, and so she is excused.

8:04

I do see um Councilmember Nohe or Committee Vice Chair Nohilani Uu Hodgins, Aloha Winala.

8:13

Aloha Chair.

8:14

Um, I am now at my private residence.

8:17

I do have two adult males and two minors.

8:21

The first adult male is my husband, Koa Hodgins, and the second is my son, Makoa Uu Hodgins.

8:27

But otherwise, looking forward to this meeting.

8:29

Thank you.

8:31

Thank you.

8:32

This meeting of the Disaster Recovery International Affairs and Planning Committee of the Maui County Council is located on the traditional island of Kanakoibi who never ceded their sovereignty to the United States.

9:51

From the Department of the Police, we have Lieutenant Taylor Kamakoviva Ole and Officer Aaron Mark.

10:00

We have Foo House, prosecuting attorney Andy Martin, Chad Kumagai, Ryan Anderson, Tishima, and Gerald Geralt, Gerald Keoni Enriquez.

10:15

From Corporation Council, we have Deputy Corporation Council Caleb Rowe.

10:20

Oh.

10:21

And we see Council Chair Lee Aloha Winala.

10:24

Any um disclosure of who's with you?

10:28

Hi, Chair.

10:29

Sorry I'm late.

10:30

Um, I'm here uh home alone in my workspace.

10:34

Thank you.

10:35

Thank you.

10:36

We also have DRIP committee staff with us this afternoon.

10:39

Senior legislative analyst James Kruger, as well as legislative analyst Jarrett Pasqua, Committee Secretary Yvette Boutelier, oh senior committee secretary boutelier, um legislative attorney Carla Nakata, Council Ambassador Ryan Martins, as well as um assistant clerk Jean Pokipala.

11:06

On the agenda today, we have two items DRIP 27 and DRIP 26, which is Bill 113 2026, establishing Chapter 8.38 Maui County Code on the disclosure sale and commercial use of license plate reader data and Bill 112026 establishing chapter 8.37 Maui County Code on Facial Recognition Technology.

11:33

We will take testimony after opening remarks and presentations.

11:38

Members, if there are no objections, I would like to take up both DRIP 27 and DRIP 26 together.

11:48

Okay.

11:49

And um that still means that there's three minutes for each item.

11:54

Just we'll be able to talk about the two bills in relationship to each other.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
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Summary of Proceedings

Disaster Recovery, International Affairs, and Planning Committee Meeting on License Plate Reader Data and Facial Recognition Technology - September 2, 2026

The Disaster Recovery, International Affairs, and Planning (DRIP) Committee of the Maui County Council met on September 2, 2026, to consider two bills: Bill 113 (2026), establishing Chapter 8.38 on the disclosure, sale, and commercial use of automated license plate reader (ALPR) data, and Bill 112 (2026), establishing Chapter 8.37 on facial recognition technology (FRT). The committee heard presentations from the Maui Police Department (MPD), the Prosecuting Attorney's Office, the Managing Director, and Corporation Counsel, followed by extensive public testimony. Due to time constraints, the meeting recessed at 4:15 p.m. to reconvene on September 3, 2026, at 9 a.m. No votes were taken.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Sheila Walker (South Maui resident) opposed the installation of surveillance cameras, questioning Fourth Amendment implications and urging the committee to ask whether cameras should be installed at all. She expressed concern about private companies (e.g., Flock) operating cameras and sharing data.
  • Jake Carton (Maui Indivisible) argued the bills are insufficient and contain loopholes, requesting stronger safeguards, a moratorium on mass surveillance, and that the Government Relations, Ethics, and Transparency (GREAT) Committee also take up the matter. He cited examples of potential abuse and called for transparency on contracts and federal ties.
  • Heather Hirshin called for a ban or strict pilot conditions, including annual council evaluation, sunset provisions, enforceable rights, public reporting, and independent audits. She stressed that regulating only two tools does not address the broader surveillance project.
  • Abe Vance posed a series of questions about data access, accountability, mechanisms to prevent mission creep, and the need for automatic public logging of system access.
  • Martin Hamilton supported the bills' intentions but requested amendments: a complete ban on FRT due to high error rates for people of color and the elderly, and for ALPR, mandatory public access logs and a requirement for a warrant or probable cause before queries. He asked for data on crime-solving effectiveness.
  • Sharon Minifee opposed both bills, citing risks of hacking (e.g., by foreign entities) and insider abuse. She referenced Hawaiian constitutional privacy protections and state laws against mobile tracking devices.
  • Robert Bence urged amendments to ban acquisition and use of both technologies, arguing that even with safeguards, systems are vulnerable to hacking and abuse. He called for decommissioning existing ALPRs.
  • Stacy Alapai supported the bills' intent but expressed concern about contradictions between MPD's statement that the county has no Flock contracts and the presentation of ALPR photos. She requested a cost-benefit analysis, data retention limits, automatic audits, and stronger access controls.
  • Kevin (in chamber) submitted written testimony proposing a full cancellation of contracts, public audit, deletion of databases, and a promise not to reinstate such technologies. He emphasized the need for proactive privacy protections.
  • Greg Rilski acknowledged cameras helped in Lahaina recovery but raised concerns about how hot lists are generated, whether warrants are required, data encryption, and where data is processed. He supported sunsetting funding and requiring metrics on effectiveness.
  • Other testifiers: Jesse Lobb (calling in) criticized government surveillance practices, and a caller (last four digits 4945) raised concerns about insider abuse and the need for strict legislative oversight.

Discussion Items

  • Opening Remarks: Chair Tamara Paltin explained that the two bills were referred to the committee on August 25, 2026, and that a third related bill (on data retention) was not yet ready. She clarified that the county has no contracts with Flock, as confirmed by the Managing Director.
  • MPD Presentation: Lieutenant Taylor Kamakawiwo'ole and Officer Aaron Mark described current ALPR use (fixed cameras at traffic gateways, hot list alerts via email, no facial recognition currently in use). They emphasized that FRT would only be used for documented criminal investigations, missing persons, and identifying deceased individuals, and that all queries would be logged and audited. They stated that ALPR does not identify drivers and that alerts require human verification before action.
  • Prosecuting Attorney Andy Martin: Supported the bills' intent but cautioned that Section 8.37.030 of Bill 112 attempts to limit what constitutes probable cause and reasonable suspicion, which are constitutional matters for courts. He suggested replacing the “imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury” language with “exigent circumstances” to align with legal standards. He also raised concerns about prohibitions on using racial or other descriptions in investigations, noting such descriptions are often legitimate parts of a suspect's profile.
  • Managing Director Sandy Nishita: Confirmed no county contracts with Flock or similar vendors. He noted that cameras at Wahikuli are operated by the Department of Law Enforcement, not the county. He offered to follow up with detailed information.
  • Corporation Counsel Caleb Rowe: Identified two amendments: (1) In Bill 112, Section 8.38.060, a typo—

Meeting Transcript

Would the Disaster Recovery International Affairs and Planning Committee meeting of September 2nd come to order? The time is now 136. If everyone can please silence their cell phones or other noise making devices that will help our cause. Members in accordance with the sunshine law. If you're not in the council chambers, please identify by name. Who, if anyone is in the room, vehicle, or workspace with you today. Minors do not need to be identified. Also, please see the last page of the agenda for information on meeting connectivity. Aloha weenal Kako. And we also have Councilmember Tom Cook, Aloha Wina La. Aloha Winala, Coco. And we also have Councilmember Gabe Johnson. Aloha win along. Aloha Chair, Councilmembers, Community Members. There's no testifiers at the Lanaye District Office, and I'm here in ready to work. Thank you. Thank you. Um I'm not sure where Council Chair Alice Lee is. She may be absent or she may be coming a little late. I haven't been informed. Um, we have Councilmember Kiani Rollins Fernandez. Aloha Winala. Aloha Awina La Chair. Aloha Awina La Calko. My monka in Oya Hina. I'm at my private residence alone right now in about an hour. Uh, my minor age children uh will be home from school as well as my husband, Makenna Fernandez. Uh, there are currently no testifiers at the Mulcratesh office. Mahalo Chair. Thank you. I did receive word from Member Shane Sinansi that he would be a little bit late. Um, Councilmember Yukile Sugimura did inform us that she needs to do something else, and so she is excused. I do see um Councilmember Nohe or Committee Vice Chair Nohilani Uu Hodgins, Aloha Winala. Aloha Chair. Um, I am now at my private residence. I do have two adult males and two minors. The first adult male is my husband, Koa Hodgins, and the second is my son, Makoa Uu Hodgins. But otherwise, looking forward to this meeting. Thank you. Thank you. This meeting of the Disaster Recovery International Affairs and Planning Committee of the Maui County Council is located on the traditional island of Kanakoibi who never ceded their sovereignty to the United States. From the Department of the Police, we have Lieutenant Taylor Kamakoviva Ole and Officer Aaron Mark. We have Foo House, prosecuting attorney Andy Martin, Chad Kumagai, Ryan Anderson, Tishima, and Gerald Geralt, Gerald Keoni Enriquez. From Corporation Council, we have Deputy Corporation Council Caleb Rowe. Oh. And we see Council Chair Lee Aloha Winala. Any um disclosure of who's with you? Hi, Chair. Sorry I'm late. Um, I'm here uh home alone in my workspace.

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