I call the 2000 432nd meeting of the Milwaukee City Council to order.

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For which it stands.

Then on Saturday, the Milwaukee Environmental Stewards Group brings their fourth annual sustainability fair.org.

Learn more at MilwaukeeESG.org.

And I definitely recommend people go to their site to see what you can bring in to recycle or to uh trade or give away clothing.

Uh there's a clothing swap, there's a community warehouse and habitat for humanity, we'll take household goods to get them in the hands of uh of new households, uh, all kinds of things.

So do check out their website, Milwaukee ESG.org.

Join Metro at City Hall on Sunday.

It's a packed week weekend here, Saturday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Uh Sunday from 11 a.m.

to 2 p.m.

to help shape and refine parks and nature projects in Milwaukee and other parts of Clackmas County.

The project ideas that will be refined were submitted by community members during Past Nature in Neighborhoods workshops.

Conceptual projects will be voted on by community members beginning October 7th.

The event includes free food, children's activities, and interpretation services in both Spanish and ASL.

If you can't attend the workshop on September 7th, there will be another opportunity to participate during NCPRD's Fiesta Latina in El Parque event on Saturday, September 13th from 12 to 4 p.m.

Uh the Fiesta Latina in El Parque is a free family-friendly community festival celebrating Latino heritage and culture and will be held at North Clackamas Park.

I also got a piece of mail about an event I wanted to call out.

Um Saint Stephen's uh Serbian Orthodox Church, which is over sort of behind Milwaukee High School on 27th Avenue, uh has every fall has a Serbian festival, and this week, this year it's on the 13th and 14th of September.

And uh they have music, they have food, uh you can learn about the Serbian culture.

Um, so I recommend people stop by the uh Serbian church and check out their cultural festival on September 13th and 14th.

If I may, I've I've uh uh attended that.

It's really a lot of fun.

I've heard that.

Yeah, I would uh suggest it's kind of not on the radar, but uh yeah, it's just they have um music and dancing and all kinds of uh food and displays and that kind of thing.

It's it's pretty informative, yeah.

Yeah.

Great.

Great.

Um, anybody else with other events to announce?

Okay, if not, uh for more information about each of these events and others, please visit the city's homepage at MilwaukeeOregon.gov or call 503 786755.

And here's uh uh haiku about the sustainability fair, recycle, reuse, sustainability fair, Milwaukee Gathers.

Um I usually am at this point crying and pleading for people to submit haiku.

I did get some lovely haiku submitted by a staff member recently.

Uh so I have a couple of uh meetings worth of haiku in the queue, but I'm always uh taking haiku uh contributions for future meetings.

So please send me your haiku.

All right, umstitution week proclamation.

Are our presenters they have not zoomed in?

Mayor Bailey, I do not see any of it from the daughters of the American Revolution present.

Nope.

Okay.

Well, I'm sorry that they are not here with us.

Uh the daughters of the American Revolution, um, you know, participate with our American Legion on a number of uh annual events, but this is kind of their own uh sort of flagship event that they do is the Constitution Week.

Uh it seems more important than ever to recognize that we uh we have a constitution that calls on all of us to do certain things.

Um so I guess I will read their proclamation in their read the proclamation in their absence.

Um, can you blow it up just a little?

There we go.

Okay.

Where we, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, did ordain and establish a constitution for the United States of America on September 17th, 1787.

And whereas uh today, or well, September 17th will mark the 237th, 238th anniversary of the adoption of the Constitution by a convention of the states.

And whereas the Constitution, as the foundation upon which our democracy is based, stands as a testament to the tenacity of Americans throughout history to maintain their liberties, freedoms, and inalienable rights.

And whereas exercising our ability to vote is a right, a responsibility, celebration, and also a way of protecting our constitutional rights.

Now, therefore, I, Lisa Beatty, mayor of the City of Milwaukee, a municipal corporation in the county of Clackamas in the state of Oregon, do hereby proclaim September 17th through 23rd, 2025 as Constitution Week in the City of Milwaukee, and do commend its observance by all citizens.

Seems a particularly uh apt to mark this week when we've heard recently of efforts to make it harder to vote and roll back access of people to the ballot to the ballot box.

So I think uh I'm happy to read this proclamation as we um Mayor, may I add something here?

I'm a big believer in um uh reading the basic documents as a reminder.

And so I I always uh read the city charter uh after the new year uh to make sure that that's fresh in my memory and that kind of thing.

So I'm a kind of a believer in being from mayor with the basic uh documents.

So uh I'd like to hand out something.

The constitution is the constitution of the United States.

Okay, I'm sure our lawyer needs this a lot.

Well, there you have my pockets for I might have pockets.

And when um you know your local source value of the constitution, you can whip it out and don't get a release it as that's great.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, I appreciate that.

Thank you very much.

Actually, there's also an app for those of you that that would like that that may not have access to this book.

There's an application have it on my phone.

So when I do have these discussions on constitutionality, I can show them which amendment we're referring to.

Yeah.

Um so yeah, I appreciate uh counselor master very much.

Well, and the beauty of an app is you can do a word search.

This one you you have to you have to search for the word, but yeah, no, this is great.

Is there a way to get this proclamation to the White House's communication office?

Because they need it a lot more than we do right now.

I can send an email.

Thank you.

Please do.

Please, that'd be fantastic.

CC me on that today.

Okay.

Um, all right.

Community comments.

This is the part of the agenda during which council will hear community comments on city business items that are not on the agenda.

Before we begin, is there follow-up from the August 19th comments, Ms.

Sager?

Mayor, there was one comment made at that meeting from Mr.

Cruz appreciating um our middle housing town hall and saying many other things, including you know, giving counselor or council president Anderson all the credit for the amphitheater.

I did not have any follow-up uh from that.

No, and there's been no correspondence before this meeting.

All right, thank you.

I'm not seeing any yellow cards or any of the folks here wanting to comment.

No hands being raised.

Okay, um, nobody online.

Okay, well, if there's nobody wanting to make community comment, I will forego the reading the rest of that script and go on to the consent agenda.

Tonight's consent agenda includes minutes of the city council, July 28th, 2025 Middle Housing Town Hall, August 5th, 2025 work session, and August 5th, 2025 regular session.

Does any council member wish to remove a consent agenda item?

Seeing none, I would entertain a motion.

Sorry.

I move to approve consent agenda as presented.

I'll second.

It's been moved and seconded to approve the consent agenda as presented.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed, say no.

None heard.

The consent agenda passes unanimously.

And we move on to our first business item, which is the Milwaukee Station food cart pod presented by assistant city manager Joseph Rulio.

Good evening, new mayor and city council.

Joseph Relio, Assistant City Manager, here with uh an update about our food car pod Milwaukee Station and some things that have been happening that I think uh most of you are familiar with.

Uh but I'm gonna go over some kind of brief brief history and then go right into kind of the the media part of the update for tonight.

Thank you, Scott.

Um, so before we go into the conversation tonight, I wanted to share a little bit about the background for that property that ended up being Milwaukee Station as we see it today with the food cart pod.

Uh, because I I wasn't familiar, I wasn't here back in 2011, and these are all taken from uh Google Street View.

Um, but I had never seen the lot in 2011 empty in that way.

So I just uh just wanted to show us show you all how we got to where we are today.

Um 2011 empty lot in 2014, you start seeing some serious construction through the orange line coming into town.

Um, I'm sure the mayor might be the only one here that was maybe around.

R Scott, sorry, I know you're there too.

Maybe Stephen George as well.

Um, but it was also it was being used for construction staging and um the construction for that orange line.

Um in 2016, fast forward, there's there's a little bit of a rhyme or reason to the the dates, but in 2016, the orange line is completed, and at that time the city acquires that triangle property, the 8600 square foot property that you see um all gravel right there in the in the photo.

Um it's during that time around the acquisition of that from TriMet, the city starts having conversations with council as well as the the community a little bit before that in 2015-2016 about that the community had a desire for a food car pod and some CC something, and uh staff brought that to council and council had discussion and approved um pursuing that idea through an RFP back in 2016 to find a potential property manager that would run a food car pod.

Um in 2016, there was two respondents to the RFP, one being the Johnson group.

Um the other one, I'm not sure if they stayed through the whole process or not, but I do know that there was at least two that uh applied.

Johnson Group was awarded, and from 2017 uh to 2025, you know, to present day Johnson Group has been managing that food car pod.

Um in the city.

There's a few things.

There's currently there is 12 carts on the property.

And it's essentially at capacity just because it's it's a small lot.

Um, even though our management agreement talks about between eight to 15 carts, 12 is um pretty close to capacity.

Currently, the job screen continues to be the operator 10 years.

Uh they've recently expressed an interest to sell the sell the business and not really new the lease.

They have their current lease right now, which has been um which has been it's extended multiple times over the last 10 years.

Uh expires on November 30th, 2026.

And so right now we're talking with them as well as with you tonight to talk about like potential uh direction and uh where the city would like to go with that property and with the Johnson group.

So to that, this is kind of the more the the direct point to the media point of the conversation.

Um two kind of pathways that staff's using maybe there are more that we haven't fully explored, but as far as tonight, we kind of seen two pathways.

So with the Johnson group, do we continue to explore the current use as a food cart pod on that property?

Or does council have interest to explore alternative uses on that property?

I think um I think if we you know talk about exploring continuation of the current use um with the Johnson group, there's kind of two pathways within that.

I think there's just some options and some ability to have conversations with the Johnson group on what uh what actions could be taken and what um what tools might need to be used.

But currently the management agreement with um with Johnson Group allows for them to assign their their lease with city approval to an entity of their choosing or one that we agreed to.

So they can assign their right to manage a food car pod to someone else as long as we agree.

Uh so that that option number one of exploring continuation of the current use would it require us to work with the Johnson group and figure out if they would be willing to first essentially assign their their agreement to someone and then as and then also work with that new entity or potential entity to get set assignment.

I there will be there'll be a need for compensation for us the selling of the business to a new entity.

Is there a willingness to provide some assistance there in compensation or to potentially pass that on to another to the new potential entity to have them pay for that?

Um so just keep that in the back of your mind.

The other the other point that we put in on the slide is request for proposal.

I don't know that this would necessarily need to be enacted unless the John Johnson group didn't want to move forward with an assignment, and they instead really just wanted to work with the city directly.

And so that would require us to potentially find uh a new a new potential man uh property manager um and then work to create an agreement before that the term expires in November.

Um the solicitation would take around four to six months, roughly.

Um, and compensation would still probably need be needed because of any kind of transition from the business entity that is Johnson Group to any other new entity would require likely some some kind of compensation.

Mayor.

So I guess I wanted to ask about that.

So um, I mean, obviously there are things there now that Johnson group pays for port-a potties and water, I mean, yeah.

Um, but a lot of the uh the the city paid for a water uh uh gray water disposal system a few years ago.

Yep.

Yes.

Um the city gravels the lot, the city, I mean, so if it were to close and we would do a new RFP, what would there be that Johnson group would reasonably expect uh compensation for?

If we wanted it to be seamless and to keep all the existing vendors on site, that's that's where the compensation would be for.

Um yeah, if we wanted if we're allowed if we were fine allowing that termination of that agreement to expire uh and and then start from a clean slate, that's also that's also an option as well.

But we just have to in that case, you'd have to be okay with allowing kind of the letting go of that property for a moment and then allowing it to come back.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

Um other questions or should I continue on with the the other question?

Yeah.

Um, in the event that the business were to, or this the lot were to um cease and then come back in the event that like the existing um cart owners are watching this.

Um what's the cost?

What's the estimated cost that it would be incurred by the individual cart owners to have to move out as the property closes?

Yeah, and then move back in if there's a new entity.

I'm not sure what that cost would be.

I don't know.

Not all the carts are you know towable, right?

I mean, they're all technically toeable, but they're not self-they don't have an engine, yeah.

Not all of them have an engine, yes, correct.

I'm not sure what the cost would be to each of them to move and to relocate and come back potentially, is that what you're asking?

Yeah, I don't not sure.

Okay.

Thanks.

Any other questions?

Yep.

Um the other option would be to explore alternative uses, and this is if council would be is interested in and uh having the property turn into something else.

This reminded that back in 2010 when the city was first exploring this idea, it was always meant to be a temporary use.

The initial term for that lease was two years.

So it was kind of seen as like a two-year place making economic activity generating um use.

It was partly due to some staff turnover and on COVID then in 2020 that um you know we we kind of keep the can down the road, so to speak, to keep it going, and it was obviously doing its thing, and um you know, hats off to the Johnson group for keeping it going during some rough times.

Um but with that said, if if there was another use that is more interesting to the council or even selling, as it was noted in the um in the staff report, that's also something we could entertain, but that would obviously require a different pathway, a different different uh direction.

Um that would also allow us to give good notification to uh the vendors as well as Richard that we were exploring other options.

So that's currently what staff sees is kind of the two pathways.

Um in the first one, exploring continuation of the current use.

There's kind of two tools, and that I would suggest that we start with just talking to Richard of the township group about assigning the agreement and what that would look like, um, getting a sense of what compensation would look like.

Um then if we would move to an RFP uh scenario if it was warranted and required, but that would only be if again the council wanted to continue with have some kind of seamless um result here.

And my second question in that would be is there any would there be any scenario or desire for ability or willingness for the city to contribute any kind of funds towards compensation uh for the businesses and the vendor, the vendors um with the Johnson group if uh if we were to go down that first explore continuation of that current use.

And I only mentioned that because no, we don't have to.

But if there's other types of groups that were be interested in forming, um, I don't know that they would have like the current genders down there right now, right?

We've talked to uh there's been some talk about a co-op or uh some kind of group group movement.

If they could create some kind of entity to actually be a legal entity to uh manage, then I don't know that they would have the means to provide some funds to provide that compensation.

So that's why I mentioned if the willingness is there or not.

You've set some funds a few times.

How much do you anticipate?

Like ballpark, what are you talking about?

Um good sense.

Um five to twenty would be my guess.

Yeah.

20,000.

Yes.

Okay.

Councillor Coastal Body.

Yeah, I was gonna, I was gonna say, maybe we already figured out the number though.

That sounds like a range at least, because I would say whatever he may be asking for, minus what the city has put in, because the city has a vested majority of the work that's been done there has been by us by the city.

Um, but I I would like to see us start with option one because the last thing I want to do is displace any of those food carts.

Um just like Counselor Staven George had mentioned the cost is not just the cost to move it, like they're gonna lose revenue.

And that's if they even want to stay.

Um so though, I mean, those carts have become a part of the community now.

They've they've been down there, they've been around for a long time.

They're business owners, they're small business owners, they're BIPOC business owners, they're women-owned, they're veteran-owned.

Um so yeah, I think we exhaust all the options before we even think about any just sort of reverting it back to its original use.

Thank you.

Other comments.

So I appreciate what uh which uh counselor partial body uh talked about and allowing some continuity for you know people who've invested in the in the in the city.

At the same time, I you know what when I think about the explore alternative uses, letting it revert to what it was.

It was really nothing, was it?

I mean, what what I mean construction staging area for yeah, so I I you know I I've thought about this and and like that, and I just don't know what an alternative use for that you know, postage stamp lot is so there were some designs.

There were some designs done before.

Um staff report actually, I I included uh a photo from the 2016, I think South Downtown um uh plan.

Yeah, I think uh I mean I personally think in the long run, I still would like to see uh an alternative use there.

I think that's but I don't think now is the time.

So I am interested in exploring the continuation of the current use, but I think uh uh the dam going, uh Coho point hopefully coming on, the renovations have started across the street at the uh new property owned by Decibel.

I think um I think that plus we now also have a uh more permissive height regulation in downtown than we did back in 20 uh 16 when it could only have been three stories.

Um I I think there's potential, and I would not want to give up uh I would not want to sign into a 10-year lease for it, but I also recognize that there's a lot of contingent things going on at the south end of downtown, and it might not be the time to for staff to be putting a lot of effort into that.

I would kind of echo what you're hearing here.

I think that the first attempt that we should be doing is to find continuity for the folks there.

I think the challenge that I see is it will be while we're relying on kind of like the third-party space to create what I see as a really great business incubation program in the city of Milwaukee, having these food carts that are relatively more affordable than other food carts in the region, and provide I think the foundation for one of the best max stops on the whole transit system.

I think that while that exists now, it's so reliant on the uh owner who's willing to use that use, the market conditions that we're seeing this now.

That is kind of not a guarantee.

And so I think what I would love to see with the site as we go forward is thinking about what would it look like to redevelop that site along the lines of the South Downtown plans to create some type of business incubation space that could then house some food carts, provide housing and create a station that people talked about back when this was first coming in.

Is the time ready for that now?

No.

But I do, I'm gonna throw this bomb out there.

I think when we think about our TOD sites that we have here in Milwaukee, I think that that triangle lot is much better than our Harrison lot in terms of like where we can see a project fits into where we want our downtown and grow and how it grows.

And I think if option one doesn't pan out and we aren't able to get something arranged, I would really be curious about talking to Metro, seeing if they would be willing to pivot their conversations there's no main to do something in this triangle lot that would create the housing that they want to see new transit while also creating a business incubation space that we could then hopefully continue the spirit and hopefully house some of the former tenants of food pro pod if that goes in the room.

If you created room for some food cards and this is incubation space, I mean the amount of housing you would get in there would not be a lot of housing.

I mean, even maximizing floors, right?

Um I don't I I mean I'm just saying I I mean I like the way you think, but I I'm not sure Metro would be that interested because of the quantity of housing that would be an issue, but you never know, I guess.

Counselor, do you want to chime in?

Um I think it makes sense to um talk about what a continuation of a food cart pod would look like.

I think that respects the carts that work really hard to be there to stay there and um and probably don't have a big slush fund to move around multiple times.

So um, you know, without knowing what the compensation looks like, it's hard to say yes, let's move in that direction.

Uh and so hopefully the Johnson group um respects that and comes to the table with the same intent.

And um, and it I think it's hard to um think about stepping away from a business that you've built.

It's probably hard to try and quantify what that looks like to try to sell to another entity.

Um, and it's even more different difficult, I think, when the city's the third wheel.

So um not saying I'm volunteering to be at that table, um, but I'm I'm grateful that we have capacity um, or at least that the staff is willing to think about capacity to be in that conversation.

So I think that sounds like a good short-term solution.

Um that being said, short-term is going to have to be enough enough time to make it worth it to another entity.

So um, they I don't think that we would have a whole lot of people um responding to that opportunity if we knew that it would be like a one-year or a two-year extension on an investment that they're making.

So those are just some of my thoughts, but I think I I'm okay with option number one.

And you asked us the question about, you know, would we be willing to help to frame the costs?

I think um could that be paid from URA funds?

It seems like it's not so different from what we're doing with our downtown storefront grants.

True.

Um, it's not uh brick and mortar, but it's you know, it's in this, you know, it seems uh conceptually, yeah, pre-development.

Yeah.

Um there's a nexus there, yeah.

Absolutely.

Yes, yeah.

Yeah, I would say off, yeah.

I think your your head is headed down the right path, Mayor.

Okay.

Um council president.

Well, it was to ask the question just asked.

We would be finding the money, and I was gonna ask about the URI.

Question answer.

Um census.

Do you feel like you have what you done?

I feel like I have consensus.

I would love to know, honestly, is going to conversations if there's a um and and look the Johnson group is no doubt watching right now.

But if I would love to know since uh maybe I don't know, I would like to ask what's the where are we in the potential compensation or willingness or what are we willing to do and what are we willing not to do?

That really helps just get us to the a faster solution and answer.

Um I think I mean I think it's difficult to give that kind of a range without an initial discussion about what the value valuation of you know the stage of the business looks like to the group.

Um I I would feel more comfortable with them starting the conversation around what that range looks like, and then because it's a real estate decision, we would move into executive session and give kind of a ballpark of what feels comfortable with in the negotiations.

Does that help?

Does I actually don't know?

Brow is telling me now.

Yeah, I'm just not sure it's a real estate transaction.

That's the that's my only question.

It's a lease, but I don't know if it falls under that.

That's just it's a lease, but we're not technically it just depends how we structure it.

We'll have to talk about it and see how we can deal with it.

It's a lease and lease interests are allowed to be discussed in executive session, but we're not actually purchasing the lease or leasing to anybody.

We're not involved in that transaction, so we'll just have to figure out how to structure it.

And I'm fine having the public conversation, but after we have an idea of what the Johnson group feels is the appropriate starting point from their perspective.

Gotcha.

And I would like to move into that conversation with um with a quantification of what we've made in terms of improvements um and accommodations to the property.

Make sense to me.

That makes great sense to me.

Other comments?

I'm with her.

Okay, I'm not seeing any dissent from that.

So I think we're I think I have my marching orders.

Okay.

Thank you all.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Now we have a public hearing to wrap up.

Uh the continued hearing on the affordable housing code incentives is called to order.

The purpose of this hearing is for council to take the second roll call vote on the proposed ordinance.

At the August 19th hearing, council voted to approve the ordinance by a vote of three to two.

Because that vote was not unanimous per the Milwaukee Municipal Code, the second reading of the ordinance title and final roll call vote is required, is required to occur in a separate meeting.

Council will now proceed to the second and final vote on this ordinance.

Uh Ms.

Sayor, would you read the ordinance one time?

Two times.

One time.

First reading is done, the last meeting.

Okay.

One time by title only.

Absolutely.

An ordinance of the city of Milwaukee, Oregon, amending Milwaukee Municipal Code Title 19 zoning ordinance for the purpose of providing code-based incentives for the development of affordable housing.

Primary file number ZA 202503.

And Mr.

Stoffer, would you please pull the council?

Council President Anderson.

Aye.

Council Staventwood.

Hi.

Councilor Councilbadi.

Aye.

Councilor Massie.

Nay.

Mayor Baby?

Nay.

Motion carrying three to two ordinance 2256.

Okay.

That's it.

No other.

Okay.

Uh then we move on to have to say a word.

Uh quarterly budget adjustments.

Uh resolution.

The public hearing on the proposed budget.

Oh, let me get, yeah, let me let staff come to the table.

Matthew Deans, our uh assistant finance director.

Uh public hearing on the proposed budget adjustments is called to order.

The purpose of this hearing is to hear the staff report, take public comments, deliberate, and consider approving the proposed budget adjustments.

Does any council member wish to announce actual or potential conflicts of interest?

Seeing none, uh, I will turn it over to Mr.

Deans.

Matt, you want to take it away?

Oh, was that supposed to be you?

You know, I've been out for a week and Matt and I didn't really talk.

So I can whatever you need me to do, Matt, I'm here to do.

Okay.

Uh did you want to discuss the purpose of it?

I can kind of talk, yeah, talk about the purpose of it.

You can talk about the mechanics of it.

Um so, council.

Um, we we did briefly touch on this at our budget committee meeting, but if you recall and on August 11th, that was a big night.

There was a lot packed in there.

So it's kind of in the middle of a of a very meaty presentation.

Um, this is uh yet another adjustment related to a topic we've we've been daylighting, I feel like since our adoption of our last budget, which is the building department and build or building division and building fund.

Um we are pleased that the development workload in this city continues to surpass expectations.

Um the number of inspections, the number of plan uh plan reviews, um uh permits, etc.

Uh it continues to grow, um, which is wonderful.

And our hardworking small team can use the best they can to process that, but we continue to need to outsource a lot of that work to contractors um just to meet demand and meet the um turnaround times that are mandated by the state.

Uh so we you've already through adjustments approve the hiring of an additional building inspector.

That person's on board and doing great work, and we're still outsourcing um a lot of work to get a company because it just keeps coming in.

Uh, you also know that we did a recent organizational assessment through that.

We identified a few needs in the the building division, which is now retitled the development services division.

It incorporates a couple of our uh or three of our uh engineering staff that work on private uh development.

Um we also are moving the work of erosion control permitting an inspection over to this division.

So because of those things, we are asking for a budget adjustment that would enable us to hire an additional inspector plans examiner um and a development coordinator position.

So this uh we have the budget to do this via the contingency in the building fund.

I'll let Matt talk a little bit about the mechanics of how we're doing this adjustment.

Um we uh it will max out the contingency um of our our this year's budget, but the building fund continues to be very healthy, exceeding our revenue projections.

Um, and frankly, we need to spend it down.

Um so this would allow for us to hire two additional FDE as part of that development services division.

And Matt, do you want to talk a little bit about why we had to post this one in the paper and the process here?

Sure.

So this budget adjustment, we're moving the remaining amount in contingency, which was 430,000 uh into the building department line item budget so that it can actually be spent.

And movement of contingency is a very common uh budget adjustment.

And this in this case, it did require a supplemental budget, um, which means we were required to advertise in then in the newspaper.

And that is whether you have to do supplemental budget is determined.

There's percentage calculation looking at the total amounts that you're moving out of contingency in relation to the total budget in the building fund uh as a whole, and it exceeded a 15% threshold that required us to do that.

That's about it, unless anyone has any questions.

Any questions from Mr.

Deeds?

Uh have we received any correspondence on the topic?

No correspondence.

Okay.

Uh does anyone wish to comment on the proposed budget adjustments?

I've got some people in the audience.

Nobody's raising a hand to comment.

Uh Mr.

Stoffer, anybody online?

Okay, so I will forego the rest of that script about public testimony.

Uh since there was no testimony, there doesn't need to be any staff response.

Uh last opportunity for questions from council.

Any questions?

Going going on.

Okay.

Actually, yeah, is that a state requirement?

The 15% threshold.

Is that is that something in our no, it's a state requirement of Oregon local budget movement.

If there are no more questions, I will entertain a motion to close the public comment part of the hearing.

Oh no.

I was actually waiting for the wait for somebody.

I second.

It's been moved executed to close the public comment part of the proposed budget adjustments hearing.

local budget if there are no more questions i will entertain a motion to close the public comment part of the hearing oh one of i was actually on the wait for somebody we move to close the public comment portion of the proposed budget adjustments hearing i second it's been moved executive to close the public comment part of the proposed budget adjustments hearing all those in favor say aye aye opposed say no none heard the public comment part of the hearing is closed is there any council discussion is council ready to vote i guess um i will just say it's nice to uh have the you know the balance keep going in the building division and we do have some big projects like the next phase of hillside coming in and hopefully coho point um but at some point it is gonna slow down too um okay uh is council ready to vote all right i'm gonna take a motion i got it this time i move to approve the resolution authorizing the supplemental budget for the 2025 2026 by any second it's been moved and seconded to approve the resolution authorizing supplemental budget for the 2025 2026 by any all those in favor say aye aye opposed say no passage unanimously declarations and nice job i think that was matt's first time like being i peer passing a thing good job matt it's beginners it's beginner's luck man not all that easy okay now we're gonna council reports an hour or two project maybe not probably we did some we did some council reports uh during the work session i do have some additional council reports but uh open it up for anybody else who does no they're all okay just have a quick yes a quick thanks to all of the community organizers that are out there putting together amazing events this summer it's been incredible I haven't had an opportunity to make to all of them but man there's been some happy faces around Milwaukee this summer so thank you um looking forward to your first Friday coming up this coming week and um and on into winter which I think folks are almost ready for almost ready for sweater weather yeah I am not ready for sweat the weather and I was so disappointed that uh Mike's drive in release their pumpkin things before Labor Day like Pumpkin has to come after Labor Day I would just pick up on what counselor Savage said about the uh summer events from the city sponsored ones like Milwaukee but especially wanted to call out the Ardenwald and Lewelling neighborhoods for their concert series because you know back 10 years ago the the amount of money they got get from that each of the neighborhoods gets from the city uh which is four thousand dollars and it's been pretty constant at that level for like probably 20 years um back then that paid for their concert uh their month of concert nights you know it paid for the bands it paid for the uh sound equipment um it's not the case anymore and they are having to raise money uh beyond uh what they get from the city and they have stepped up to do that um but i know it's it's been a struggle and some of them are really grappling with how they're gonna be able to do it next year because this year NCPRD imposed uh also uh some uh permit fees on them so um I do want to especially appreciate those two neighborhoods for their work bringing some great music to the community in the month of August yeah here and just to give more Matt more credit um thank my finance team was great we we were able to increase their stipend um after the NCPRD permit be increase so they all got an additional 400 um to defray those costs because we agreed those were not costs we were intending for our MDA's yeah so thank you finance for helping me that yeah absolutely okay all right um we've had a few late nights um and so I haven't gotten to all of my uh council reports before and so I'm going back a little bit in the time machine uh to um first off to the uh uh the C4 retreat which the council president and I both um attended um there was a uh there was a presentation by uh Mary Rumbaugh who came here and spoke to us recently about the uh stabilization center but she gave some statistics on uh the extent that people are struggling in the community that I thought were interesting and worth sharing um because they're a little different than what we've heard um and it also it also sort of uh it came in the framework of a discussion about the uh metro supportive housing services or SHS measure um and so I just wanted to share a few key key statistics and things that she shared um

uh to um first off to the uh uh the c4 retreat which the council president and i both um attended um there was a uh there was a presentation by uh mary rumbaugh who came here and spoke to us recently about the uh stabilization center but she gave some statistics on uh the extent that people are struggling in the community that I thought were interesting and worth sharing um because they're a little different than what we've heard um and it also it also sort of uh it came in the framework of a discussion about the uh metro supportive housing services or SHS measure um and so I just wanted to share a few key key statistics and things that she shared um one that in comparing 2025 to 2023 in Flackham's county the uh number of unsheltered people has gone up but the number of people um uh who are the chronic homeless has gone down so they have had some success in getting some of the chronic homeless into um shelter um clackamas county uh 20.5 percent of the houseless are over age 65 20.5 percent um said that at the average uh someone who receives a social security check that uh typically 74 percent of their monthly social security check goes to government um and then uh the other thing that we don't think of because we're firmly within the UGB but actually the the houselessness uh numbers are higher in rural areas so 24 percent of clackamas county population is outside of the Metro UGB but 38% of the homeless count is outside the UGB so I thought those were interesting um statistics to share there was also a discussion the second day that uh the council president wasn't there for but a discussion about uh the transit tax which has been uh you know part of the transportation bill being considered at the hill at the legislature this weekend um and uh there is some uh some tension I mean everybody was very uh cordial but there is some tension between TriMet and some of the small transit providers in the outlying areas in Wilsonville and Sandy et cetera.

So I do think there will be ongoing especially since it looks like there's going to be some more money but with the sunset in a couple of years there will be more conversations about that in the in the years ahead I mean months ahead probably not years uh I did also want to follow up on NCPRD district advisory committee a lot of the stuff is the same stuff I've reported to you before about the system plan actually next week the uh DAC will be um giving views on the system plan um so I think the final system plan is probably gonna come out or the draft of the final system plan is probably gonna come out tomorrow in the DAC packet um but one piece of thing that I think everybody wanted to know was the uh budget cuts to senior services are going forward in January so they there's been no uh they found no way apparently to fund them um from other resources outside of NCPRD so they're gonna eliminate Fridays Milwaukee community center they're gonna eliminate the transportation program they have um have found some stop some other transportation options for some of the people but it sounds like it won't be as uh as robust as it has been that bring the current system that brings people there to have lunch uh gets some seniors out of their homes and and gets some socialization for them uh and they have eliminated the recmobile um so they are facing serious budget uh cuts which we we knew but I just wanted to make clear that those are still those are expected to uh be out of the budget um okay so I think that ends my regular council reports but I wanted to comment on the um the uh code package uh not on the code package that was just passed but on counselor council president anderson sent out an email to folks about the um how he was so happy and proud of the work that had happened on the um on the affordable housing code package and in this email he said our community is facing an affordability crisis I am surprised that not everyone on council can acknowledge that and come together to meet the urgency of the moment I think that is very misleading to people that implies that the two members who descended uh did not see a need for an incentive package that was not what either one of us said uh I think we really missed an opportunity to uh tweak that package

And in this email, he said, our community is facing an affordability crisis.

I am surprised that not everyone on council can acknowledge that and come together to meet the urgency of the moment.

I think that is very misleading to people.

That implies that the two members who descended uh did not see a need for an incentive package.

That was not what either one of us said.

I think we really missed an opportunity to uh tweak that package, create a better package that addressed the concerns we heard from um from uh at the middle housing town hall.

Uh and in fact, it was an opportunity to do the the at the middle housing town hall.

Um the um president had a had a five part, and in his email, he had a five-part recipe for uh things he thought should could address, alleviate some of the concerns about middle housing, and one of them was encourage developers to build common space.

That is exactly what we could have done more of in this package.

Uh we could have taken a couple more meetings and tweaked that package and had a better.

So I really uh I really think it's it's unfortunate that the council president, I think, mischaracterized uh the the position of other counselors on this.

Um there are some other things uh that I felt in the email were misleading.

Um, but one in particular I'm gonna call out, which is the repeated phrase we hear that middle housing units sell for $300,000 less than single family homes on the market.

Um today on rent, there are 78 homes for sale in Milwaukee, some of them middle housing.

In fact, the eight-unit cottage cluster at uh on Olson Street uh has been on the market for two months, has not sold any units, but it did uh drop the units to $350,000 this in the last week.

Um so um maybe they're gonna maybe they're gonna start moving at $350,000.

But that is the cheapest.

There's also some $350,000 modular home unit on 29th Avenue.

Um those are the cheapest middle housing options.

Most much of the other real housing is coming in at 400,000 and higher.

But let's just take the 350,000.

Red Slin says our median sales price in July 2025 was 511,000.

One, so that's about a hundred and sixty-one uh thousand dollars difference, not 300,000 difference.

One block away from the uh Olson Street cluster is a home for 400,000 that is 1,300 square feet on a 6,500 square feet lot.

Uh there's a brand new home by Ball Michelle Park for 450,000.

That's a 1,300 square foot home on a 5,000 square foot lot.

So these are 100,000 more than our best price that we're seeing on middle housing.

Um I think we need to not mislead people with this perception that middle housing is coming.

I mean, it's important.

It's great to have another price plan.

It's great that you have housing coming in at 350,000, but we need to not mislead people that it's coming in at 300,000 less than what our market is for other housing.

Um, and then um I did want to also address his five-part plan uh that for middle housing.

His first step was encourage developers to build common space.

I'm on board, let's do that.

Uh his second step was uh let's introduce a residential parking permit so that uh to alleviate some of the parking concerns.

Actually, Milwaukee has had a residential parking permit program since 2015.

It was passed, uh, it was created in order to uh have that option should light rail uh parking in the neighborhoods uh be an issue, and that neighborhoods could opt in or not, and it doesn't have to be the whole neighborhood, but blocks, groups of blocks could opt in to a residential parking permit.

So we have that ability.

It probably needs to be dusted off and revisited, but it is something that we already have.

Um his list was hold developers accountable, which I think everybody's like, yes, hold developers accountable.

But his examples, buried power lines, pay STCs, follow bullying codes, all things developers have to do already, not new, not new requirements, things they have to do already.

Not news, not new requirements, things they have to do already.

And building a structure.

I'm the one who shared it with Biden Lock in the community here.

And I uh I am also have had conversations with Odon about it.

So I I appreciate this council president, but I feel like uh you have to read his emails with a grain of salt.

I will just close with that.

You're welcome.

Okay.

Oh okay.

Sorry, counselor.

Maybe are you open to a couple questions?

Sure.

Um this is I appreciate you um taking the time to communicate your concerns and frustrations.

Um I'm wondering, and I hope you don't take this the wrong way.

I'm wondering if you spoke to the council president about your concerns with his email or um the tone of the email before making your remarks to the I did not I have talked to him on a few of those topics before, but I did not talk to him about the emailing specifically.

Because sitting here um listening uh it brings to mind a few things for me.

We've done a lot of work over the last couple of years to build more of a relationship amongst council and rapport to be able to do this work and long meetings and um and the work for our community together.

Um I certainly don't want to speak for the council president.

I'm sure if you have remarks um you'll make them, but it seems like this could have started with more of a conversation.

If yeah, I I mean I think that's a that's one way to look at it.

This was a blast email that went out to a lot of people that implied that I didn't care about affordable housing.

And I've done a lot of work on the last 10 years in support of affordable housing.

So I felt the need to respond to that.

Yeah.

In a public forum, just like the email was a public forum.

Yeah, yeah, I understand that.

And then I hear your frustrations and um I can hear it in the way that you're coming across tonight too.

And I don't want to diminish that.

Um, so please don't hear this that way.

Um, but I think that I mean, we're all we're almost bordering on retreat conversation about communication and external communication.

Um, I think sometimes it's really hard when um when someone is very energetic and very optimistic about the work that they have sworn to do.

We've all gone through those those moments.

Um myself included, and it's it's hard to sometimes speak about the work of um the city and the council.

Um and include all of the context.

So it seems like um this is a good reminder for all of us to make sure that we're recognizing the work of that has happened in the past.

But also this was a little your comments tonight are a little bit of a surprise to me.

And I think it might be worth us having the longer conversation, perhaps in retreat when we spend a lot of dedicated time talking about how we're going to work together and how we're going to communicate with each other and what we what we how we like to be communicated with.

Um, I think this might be an opportunity for us to continue to grow as a council to um to add this to that agenda and use this instance as an opportunity to look back and um and everyone can do better.

I agree.

I agree.

I think that's a good topic of future conversation.

Council.

Council President.

Well, I'm glad someone reads my newsletter.

Um I have a few things just to respond to here about some of the things that you bring up.

Um I'll start with affordable housing package.

Um I talked a bit in the mail about how we disagree there, and I do think that there's a difference between talking about caring about affordable housing, taking action to build affordable housing in the walk.

And I think the difference that I was trying to choose out there is I think I've heard you talk about how you would like to see affordable housing in Milwaukee.

But this code was a chance for us to do that.

We spent a lot of meeting time to develop this code.

Time that you try to raise concerns that you expressed on the dais last earning that um that we heard for the first time.

And I think what I was trying to express in the meeting was um I think we have a real affordability challenge.

I think um we need to lean in and see action on there, and I did not see that background.

The caveat that I'll add is as I wrote that out and I was thinking about how I wanted to say this, I thought it was important to also balance that with the fact that the last meeting, I enjoy it a lot.

It was my first, I talked about this in email.

It was my first three-two boat.

And Robert made fun of me during it, smiled, laughed.

We like had a lovely time where I disagreed with some of my fellow counselors on a policy issue.

Something that I care about to think I think has real impacts for the future of our city.

And the flip side is I think we got to disagree and interact as a body in a way that felt really productive and important.

And so I say that in the email, and I reaffirm that now because I think that that collaboration as a body is so important in how we go forward.

And I think I really do want to say I disagree with you on affordable housing, and we go forward.

I think that's very clear.

Um, but I don't think that you're any the lesser because of the fact that we disagree.

I think that I enjoy working with you, and even in moments when we disagree and you say, gosh, the council president is going astray here.

I think you do it in a respectful way, and I think that um on real housing, I think that we can have a longer conversation later.

I think that there is I I appreciate your work there and I think let's take harmony and talk about that really quick.

Um the reason I mentioned harmony there is I work with Nick S and Jacob Sherman to make sure that the Harmony project, which was on the tier one on constrained bust, was moved up to tier one constraint bust.

I appreciate that you've been in the city for a while and you've worked on a lot of projects.

I don't need to take credit for projects, but I am someone who's working to make the city a better place, and I'm happy to share about the work that we're doing to make that happen.

I'm not claiming credit for harmony, nothing's happened on harmony.

No study is actually planned.

Um, but I think it's important that our residents see what's happening in our TSP, what's happening on housing, what's happening in our affordable housing code updates, all of these things I think I was emailing this one afterwards.

I feel like we have an obligation to talk about these things and get people more engaged.

And I think this newsletter is one of the ways that I see that happening.

I include you and all the other things on this newsletter because I think it's also fair to say or see what I'm talking about in front of the community.

I'm not having a secret backing all about things.

I I want people not only, I want to start a dialogue in the community about these things.

I think that I can tell that I've upstairs, you know, and I'm sorry for that.

And I'm sorry for the stress that must have caused you to list out your 90 brain grievances and bring them to council's meeting.

I don't think this is an appropriate way to do this.

And I think harms are ultimately as a body.

Like that, I respect that I heard your feelings there.

I am really sorry about that.

I hope that we could talk more about these things.

I am so happy to call me any time.

We both stay up late at night.

You can call me in the we can talk about this, and I'm happy to do this.

Um I think that there's a lot to figure out how we work together as a body, especially in moments where we disagree.

I have seen it a lot in the legislature.

We disagree far less than I do with some of the Republicans who work down in the legislature.

Um I think for implying we are republican.

I mean, you're making all these information.

No.

Yeah, I can clarify.

I was saying that there's a lot less difference between the two of us than there are with me and some Republicans that I work with down in the legislature, and I find them quite true on people who are fun to work with.

You are not a Republican, but I'm lying that.

If anyone's talking person is fun to work with as well.

Um I really, I think for the sake of us working to put together as a council, encourage you to follow one on one about these things.

You can talk about them in the retreat.

Um, because I think that you're fair to after teach about how I talk about the work that we're doing as a council, and I think you raised some interesting points.

Let's talk about this more.

Um, and I do agree that you we should be able to disagree.

Let's find the other thing to vote.

You should be able to disagree and not be personal about it.

But you kept saying I heard your feelings.

That's a different thing.

That's this more serious thing to me.

It's not just like uh you hurt my feelings.

It's you said I don't think afford housing loadability is important because I wanted to delay by a month or two.

Um so I think that's encouraging to keep that in mind when you're writing.

And I do appreciate that you make your emails, um, that you share your emails with us.

Um, but I do think uh again, your language.

I am surprised that not everyone on council can acknowledge that and come together to meet the urgency of the moment today, as opposed to making some tweaks.

And you oh you express that my comments the last week surprised you.

It was our first conversation conversation about housing since the middle housing town hall.

I don't know why that should be surprising that the middle housing town hall affected how I thought about that package, and I tried to frame my comments in that way, but I guess maybe they still came as a surprise.

Um anyway, I am hopeful that we can still work well together.

Uh but I uh I yeah, I don't I don't like something that creates the impression that I uh that I don't understand that affordable housing is uh is important for our community.

So spent uh I've spent eight, nine years uh you know involved in Hillside.

Um so anyway.

Uh if nothing else.

Can we I mean a lot has been said just now.

Can we just let it sit for a second and see if there's anything else before moving on?

I don't I don't know if anyone else wanted to say anything.

I feel like you're exciting and you know, like stepping in between, and I feel like I should have let Council President Anderson speak first, but it just was really it's like a we've worked really hard to develop a culture of communication um amongst us, and this I don't know, this feels very dissonant to that, but I imagine that um it might be difficult to figure out how best to respond to an email that goes out really widely.

So, you know, I just um it just doesn't feel like the right way to talk about um frustrations around colleagues' email.

Well, you know, an email is sort of like a pilot column or you know, other things, other places you speak to the public.

Um, I will say at least that you once wrote a pilot column implying those things about me.

I talked to you, you know.

I didn't come on with the dice and talk about it.

I think that it's important that we have these conversations in a way that gives other people grace and invites kind of that relationship foster.

Um I think that you gave no heads up to this email.

Nor did you give a heads up to me about the pilot or your choice for time.

Uh okay.

Okay.

Okay, we're back on the air.

Council Council President and I had a good conversation.

I think we have more conversations ahead, but uh hopefully we can keep uh keep good communications open uh and going.

Uh going forward.

I do think um, yeah, I I think it's okay to disagree.

I I I think it would be a shame, actually, if we all agreed all the time.

So I think it's okay to disagree.

Uh uh and have three two votes.

Um, but I think it's just you know how we characterize what comes out of those.

Um I guess that is there anything else you'd like to say.

No, um, I think it's okay if we disagree.

I appreciate me.

This is an uncomfortable moment.

Um Robert, I should be jumping in, Rebecca.

Appreciate you like chiming in and Adam.

I appreciate you talking around and different at all.

Um but no, I will say I mean you'd have to be full to not say that it's in the whole moment on the dais, but I still will go home.

So I need to this we're probably just onward to the next agenda.

Thank you.

I I agree.

I agree.

I think the city of Milwaukee is uh well represented by this council.

Um we have uh nothing else under council reports.

We do have another meeting of the MRC.

Uh which I guess is why everyone is staying around.

Okay.

Um, so I will uh after I was uh oh no, we're not having an executive session.

After the meeting, council will meet as the Milwaukee Redevelopment Commission.

If you're watching on Comcast Cable Channel 30, YouTube or Zoom, and if you are here in Council Chambers, you can stay right where you are.

The MRC meeting will be on the same channels as the council regular session meeting.

I moved to adjourn.

Second.

Yes, we moved and seconded to adjourn.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed say no.

The meeting, the regular session is adjourned.

And then I call the Milwaukee Redevelopment Commission meeting to order.

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Well, I guess I'll finish it to determine if public comment is taken.

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We will take comments in the order they are received and seen.

Seeing none, I would entertain a motion.

I move to approve the June third, 2025 redevelopment commission meeting minutes.

Second.

Aye.

Not heard.

Units are approved unanimously.

I'll turn it over to our executive director for his quarterly chat update.

Thank you, Chair.

Joseph Billio, executive director.

I'm gonna be brief.

I don't have a time to share tonight.

Basically moving, we reapportioned some funds.

And this is something I've been kind of banging the drum about for the last several months.

Uh needing to re-up the grant program and um and move move monies into back into that program so we can continue to make investments into our urban renewal area.

Um we have reapportions.

Is that the right word?

Am I using it?

Do we actually do that here?

Or is that more of a state thing?

Um we reapportioned funds from our construction of line item in the URA because we're not doing as much as we thought was gonna happen during this biennium.

We moved a million dollars into um grant grant line item as well as uh some marketing tourism endeavors as well in the next uh all through the rest of this budget year.

I'm fully believe that we have at least two million dollars worth of umbates going on or that are been waiting for this program to come back to life.

Uh we have some big ones, so I just uh just wanted to let the commission know that uh the program will be coming back online for the next month or so, and at the same time we'll also be um starting the citywide program with the CET funds.

Uh so you'll start seeing it's it's a bit tricky, but uh it's you're and I see it been doing a great job.

We're trying to really make it clear and easy for folks inside the URA and outside the URA of what bucket they can go to and what program they're doing, but essentially it'll feel look the same.

Um, but for us the color of money would be very different.

So I have no other updates.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand that last year.

Uh the program will look the same whether we're inside or outside of the URA.

Uh huh.

The color of money.

Um, just because it'd be urban rural dollars or CET dollars.

Okay, projects.

Um, we've been getting a lot of interest from obviously those that have projects currently underway in the URA, and we also had quite a few people outside the URA going.

Is there any help coming?

So that just thank you.

I I think it's the right move to continue to make to invest right now.

And I think as we make more and more investments into our downtown and mill area, we can we can pause and take longer times between grants uh remote or grant funding cycles.

Um I just want to say thanks and look forward to more updates.

I see C Manager Sigma.

Thanks.

Um Joseph and his team, I think have done an exceptional job on this.

I'm really excited that we get to read up the grant program.

I just also wanted to remind folks that somehow it's September, which means somehow next month is our next economic development goal update.

And so I know we had some actions out of the last one related to connecting with URA grant recipients and kind of checking in, do maybe some storytelling.

So we don't have to discuss that now, but I just think we should we should coordinate and talk because uh that month's gonna go fast and um it would be great to uh to uh um yeah get some of those stories captured.

Reminder, appreciate that.

Well, I mean, related to that, uh not the URA, I guess, but related to the goal.

Uh Council Massey and I do have a meeting set with the CEO Blump at the end of this month, and we're pardon tool, Oregon tool.

Sorry.

Yeah, um, so that would that it was good that we were able to get that, and we're working on another one in the NMIA.

So we may have something to report at the next next update on that goal.

Great.

That's that's all the updates I have tonight.

Okay.

Uh any questions for Joseph?

Any uh further MRC reports.

Okay.

Okay.

Uh then I would entertain a motion to adjourn.

I move to adjourn the commission meeting.

Second.

It's been moved and seconded to adjourn the commission meeting.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed say no.

Not heard.

The commission meeting is adjourned.

So if you take off the gate.