0:00Here we are coming up on the end of the year, but hopefully we can move this forward in the next month and wrap it up.
0:09So I'll turn it over to Ellen to tell us where we are and the decision points we have.
0:16Yes, we would love this to be a little holiday present.
0:21Good evening, everyone.
0:22It's great to be with you.
0:23Thanks for attending your special session tonight.
0:25We wanted to transparently give an update with our constituents about the status of these negotiations on Milwaukee Bay Park, how the special session will run.
0:42Then we will be reviewing or recapping some council discussion on the latest proposed terms and some agreements we've been working back and forth with the NCPRD board of directors on.
0:56Once we've reviewed or walked through council's latest thinking on those terms, we'd like to invite anyone who would like to contribute some public testimony to do so.
1:06We'll limit that to three minutes each.
1:08And then at the end, we're just going to ask for some decisions and direction to staff on next steps from council.
1:17So again, this has been the mayor mentioned that we've been really at the table in the most recent round negotiations since January.
1:25But just in case you don't know the backstory here, I wanted to share a little bit about the history of the city's relationship with NCPRD and with Milwaukee Bay Park.
1:34NCPRD was formed in 1990, and that is when the original cooperative intergovernmental agreement, you're gonna call hear me say cooperative IGA a lot tonight was first signed with the city of Milwaukee.
1:46When that was signed, basically the city retained ownership of all of its parks, but NCPRD became the entity that operates and maintains those parks.
1:55So this IGA formalized that relationship.
2:13Going forward, you'll let me say Milwaukee Bay Park or MDT.
2:17Milwaukee Bay Park, I think it goes without saying to our constituents of jewel in the crown of our parks and green space assets here in the city.
2:26It's a beautiful stretch along the Willamette River, and it's been for a long time a goal of Milwaukee City Councils to see that jewel developed.
2:36So the city led uh the first two phases of development of that park, including acquiring land there and um uh getting it to be the park that it is today.
2:46The first phase was completed by the city in 2012, the second phase was completed by the city in 2015.
2:53Um so the park is wonderful, but it is not the finished product yet.
2:58And uh in 2017, um the city was kind of gearing up to start doing phase three.
3:04Uh and at the time, the board, the the North Pacamus Parks and Yock Department and CPRD requested that they take the lead on phase three of Milwaukee Bay Park.
3:13Um, and the city agreed to that.
3:15Uh that then ensued two years of public involvement.
3:19Um, and the designs for phase three, which have been seen by lots of guys all over the city of Milwaukee, uh, was unveiled in 2019.
3:28Um, that is sort of where the story gets a little more complicated.
3:33So once we had uh 50% designs, the two parties um attempted to come to some agreements about funding and constructing the park.
3:41There were draft uh funding and construction IGAs developed.
3:44The city approved them twice, once in 2020 and once in 2021.
3:49Um the NCPRD did not approve both of them.
3:52Um, there was several meetings where it was removed from agendas, and um uh finally a condition was placed that it would not approve the funding IGA for phase three until the city engaged in an update to the cooperative IGA.
4:07Um there's from frustration at that point, and uh a previous council was interested in looking into potential withdrawal from the district.
4:17Um that led to some dispute over whether the terms in the 2008 IGA regarding withdrawal method are valid.
4:25The city feels that what is written in the IGA is valid, um, and the board uh contends otherwise.
4:31So we filed a validation action to understand that that is currently being heard by the Court of Appeals.
4:37I should be clear that um while a previous council had discussed um withdrawal, this council has given no direction to withdraw from the district um or taken any votes on that topic.
4:49This brings us to 2025.
4:51The city of Milwaukee has adopted a parks and green space goal, and uh paramount in that goal is the delivery of this long awaited Milwaukee Bay Park.
5:01So in January 2025, the city requested a meeting with the new NCPRD board.
5:06They did a couple elections.
5:08And the board agreed to break the communication freeze that they had implemented in 2024 and come back to the table for what we call two on two sessions.
5:19Two representatives of the NCPRD board meeting with two representatives of the Milwaukee City Council.
5:25When it's two, it's not a quorum, so we can move a little a little more quickly.
5:29Staff are there to support those conversations.
5:32Milwaukee City Council appointed Mayor Beatty and Councillor Massey as the representatives of the city to be at that two on two table.
5:40And the city has been very clear since January that we have one objective in these negotiations that is get Milwaukee Bay Park back on track and delivered substantially by the end of 2027.
5:53So the we started a couple of those listening sessions really focused on Milwaukee Bay Park.
5:58Through the course of the negotiations, the NCPRD board asked that the city engage in discussions about the cooperative IGA and our negotiating team agreed that they would do that if the two would be considered together.
6:14So tonight you're gonna hear us talk about two different agreements.
6:17One is an amendment to the 2008 cooperative IGA, and the other is a Milwaukee Bay Park IGA.
6:24The city's position is that these would need to be adopted simultaneously.
6:28So there would not be an adoption of one and then the other.
6:30They would have to happen at the same time.
6:32Since January, I know it's probably felt to the public like what's happening?
6:37Has anything been happening?
6:39A lot has been happening.
6:40There have been a lot of meetings.
6:41There were six two on two negotiation sessions.
6:44And in between those, um, 10 plus, I mean, 10 formal staff and staff meetings, but many phone calls and um other uh conversations to try to move these agreements forward.
6:58Um the latest terms were received from county council to the city attorney on November 4th.
7:04So this was last week during our regular session, and that's why we scheduled this special session.
7:09Um, we didn't have time to process the uh terms that were sent over.
7:14They were they arrived just before 5 p.m.
7:16on November 4th, but we also didn't want to wait until November 18th, our next regular session to really talk about this because we know how important this topic is to the city.
7:25So that's what we're here to discuss tonight.
7:29So what I'm gonna do now is walk through the salient sort of topics in these two agreements.
7:37We're gonna start with the amendment to the 2008 cooperative IGA, and then we're gonna talk about the Milwaukee Bay Park IGA.
7:43Um, you may be asking, you know, why it why weren't the IGAs in a packet prepared for this?
7:48They're still very draft.
7:50Um, and it's very, you know, common in government that while the staff teams are going back and forth on terms and legalese, like that we leave to the people who went to law school.
8:01Um, but what we want to do tonight is uh again, because we know our constituents care so deeply about this project, is be really transparent about some of the terms that are on the table and your city council's position on those terms.
8:14So again, I'm gonna start with amendment to the 2008 cooperative IGA.
8:18Operative word there being amendment.
8:20This wouldn't replace the IGA.
8:22The IGA has a lot of stuff in it about maintenance and programming and lots and lots of things.
8:28All of that stays unless it is changed by this amendment.
8:32So we tried to be pretty clear what are the terms that might change.
8:36And gosh, that light blue is hard to read.
8:38I'm really sorry, but I'll do my best to decipher it for you.
8:42So a big um question that has come up in the cooperative IGA negotiations, the amendment negotiations is just clarifying who capitalizes assets in our parks.
8:53It is a bit of a weird situation to be a city that owns parks but not doesn't operate and maintain them.
9:00And that has left a little bit of gray area about on whose financial books different um assets would be found.
9:09So we um have the the negotiating teams have been working on language that basically says for capital improvements.
9:17If the district pays for it, they will capitalize it.
9:21If the city pays for it, they will capitalize it.
9:24And then in the event of any future withdrawal, again, there's been no decision to do that, but in the event that that would happen in the future, the city would pay the district for the depreciated value of any assets that are in Milwaukee Parks that NCPRD has capitalized on their books.
9:40Basically, they're in our parks, we're not in the district anymore, so we pay to get those assets on our books.
9:46Um the council is supportive of this uh general provision, or I believe the council is supportive.
9:54We'll we'll get a discussion, we'll get an affirmative on that tonight.
10:00There's you know some things in here about the dollar value, whether it's $5,000, as well as what the depreciation schedule will be.
10:06If your eyes are glazing over, that's totally fine.
10:09This is government accounting stuff.
10:10Uh, but we just want to make sure to, you know, for the sake of clarity and the sake of avoiding more prolonged negotiations in the future.
10:19Let's just be really clear and come up with a shared depreciation schedule based on government accounting standards and um tie the dollar threshold to financial policies, or if our financial policies aren't really in agreement, we can start with $5,000, but we'll index that to inflation because we know today's $5,000 is not tomorrow's.
10:44The next topic that is in this amendment is about when the city might want to acquire or build a new park or take on an improvement of an existing park on its own.
10:56So the language that we're working on, it would say that the city would be able to construct any improvements at any time.
11:03We own the land, we can do that.
11:05Um, that we should coordinate with district staff throughout planning, design, and construction.
11:10The current status of negotiations, the district is asking that they have approval authority of all construction drawings or specifications in the case the city is leading a project.
11:20Um we believe council's position would be that we reject that as written.
11:26We like to maintain the ability to do improvements on our own, but we would um and are happy to um communicate and work with the district on that, but we would like to retain authority for approval in city, the city's hands given the city owns these parks and be paying for these improvements.
11:44Um our current IGA has a clause that says the city has to ask NCPRD to maintain anything we acquire or build, and they have the right to refuse.
11:54So we we think that is uh sufficient enough for giving them, you know, if they have real concerns over an improvement we've done, they can choose not to maintain it.
12:06The next topic in the cooperative amendment is about programming.
12:11Um, it's been widely accepted and understood that this the NCPRD is the programmer of Milwaukee Parks.
12:20We do not have a parks department, they put on all programming in our parks.
12:24Um, the current language that we've been looking at does not state anything about preferences for city or city affiliated groups to use Milwaukee parks.
12:33And we are aware that in the past year, some of our neighborhood district associations or boards and committees have um historically used Milwaukee Parks for events, have been charged um fees to use those.
12:47And there was sort of a practice of not the enforcing those fees when it was Milwaukee city affiliated groups using city parks.
12:56We would like to get that documented and would be asking for a provision that gives preference for city and city affiliated groups and waives permit fees and other related costs for the city to use our own property.
13:13There is a section in the amendment related to the Milwaukee Community Center.
13:18The language currently on the table clarifies that the city would take responsibility for funding capital improvements, repairs, and replacements at the Milwaukee Community Center.
13:30The district, NCPRD, would remain responsible for programming operations and general maintenance at the center.
13:38The council's position, I believe, to be that we would support this, um, but just modify it a bit to be very clear how we're defining capital improvement repair and replacement versus general maintenance and how we're defining equipment.
13:51I think there's there's um good bones to this, and we can get make sure we get to clarity.
14:01And I believe this is the last one in the cooperative IGA.
14:05Um, there is a proposal that we add language that says either party can pursue measures to secure additional funding related to capital or operational needs at parks, and either party can ask the other party for a statement of support for these efforts.
14:21And I believe council's position to be that we are supportive of that provision.
14:26So that's the high points of the cooperative IGA.
14:29I'm now going to turn to some high points on the Milwaukee Bay Park IGA, and I think this will probably be a little bit more interesting to folks tuning in.
14:38Um there's there's kind of some financial components of the current um uh deal terms, and there's some project management components.
14:48Um, the first is that the latest terms we have seen from North Clackings Parks and YEC are that they would contribute 3.1 million in zone one SDCs.
15:00These are system development charges to the project.
15:01Just quick little understanding there, system development charges are charged when new development happens.
15:07The city collects these SDCs, but because we aren't the park's operator or provider, we send them over to NCPRD.
15:17So these are all SDCs generated by development in Milwaukee that the given over to the parks district to support park development.
15:26Um we currently understand there to be 3.6 million dollars in the zone one of Milwaukee fund balance.
15:34Um and we also um expect there to be pretty significant uh SDC accrual from Milwaukee over the next year or so, especially as development continues.
15:47Um, from the get go, I think this the city has been advocating for equitable treatment within the district.
15:54Um there are other district wide assets or regional park assets that have uh used SDC funding from across the district.
16:04Um I believe council's position to be on this specific term to respond with a counter offer that would ask for the full balance of our zone one fund at the time of signing.
16:18And then also asked that the city retain SDCs generated until Milwaukee Bay construction begins or December 31st, whichever comes soonest.
16:30Um, this is sort of, you know, I think again, at the original outset, what we would hope would happen would be it would be treated like, for example, the Concord Community Center, where um we would get a proportional share from every zone.
16:43Um, seeing that that does not seem to be on the table, we feel this compromise of asking for zone one SDCs that are accrued up until construction um is fair.
16:57The second piece in the terms that we received on November 4th from the count from the district were that they were offering to loan the city 2.5 million of Metro local share grant dollars to be repaid via 10 annual payments of 250,000.
17:14Um we can't really comment much on the council position tonight on that because we are unclear if that would be allowed for by Metro.
17:23Um so we have requested some clarification from Metro, and depending on their response, we will be formulating a counteroffer.
17:30I should say that um since 2017, easily since 2019, Metro Local Share has been discussed by NCPRD as a part of the Milwaukee Bay Park funding equation, up to as much as three million dollars that many times.
17:47Um there's you know, while we've we've assumed it would be a minimum of 2.5 of Metro local share from NCPRD coming to the project.
17:55We're just trying to figure out from Metro what um what the uh sort of logistics might be if NCPRD wanted to um give that to us in some other form.
18:10And uh finally on financial, the latest terms offered by the district would be to reassign about $658,000 in Metro grant dollars that are um that have been allocated then for the trolley trail to Milwaukee Bay Park.
18:26And council's position is that we would accept that that um that contribution to the project.
18:33So quite a big difference from how we've talked about this project for the last uh seven years, is that the latest terms we have from the district would transfer project management responsibilities to the city.
18:46So in the current terms on the table, um we would the city of Milwaukee would take over design and construction upon signing, and the district would transfer the design and construction contracts and drawings to the city.
18:59Those are currently, I believe, a 50% design.
19:04The council's position, I believe to be accept of those terms.
19:10The current offer also talks about transferring maintenance responsibilities at the park to the city.
19:17Um construction starts or by July 1st, 2027, whichever is sooner.
19:24Um we uh would we I believe council's position to be that they would accept those terms, but they would request that the date for maintenance responsibilities be moved to when construction begins or no later than December 31st, 2027.
19:40As the mayor said in her opening, I think we all had really hoped this these agreements could be ironed out much earlier in this year, and it's almost the end of 2025.
19:50So we still have a real fire under us to get this going as fast as possible, but for practicality's sake, um, we'd like to you know ask for a slight extension on that, and the acceptance of maintenance responsibilities.
20:00The acceptance of maintenance responsibilities.
20:05And I believe this might be my last slide, which is good for me to drink some water.
20:12Um the final piece um in the terms we receive on November 4th, um, that the district would like to remain responsible for scheduling programs and issuing special use permits at Milwaukee Bay Park, including the collection of appropriate fees.
20:28I believe council's position on this to be that they would reject it as written.
20:32Um, if the city is to assume maintenance responsibilities of the park, uh council feels that the city should also take over permitting rights as the park's operator.
20:43But um important to note that the district we believe should retain rights to program at the park and permission um should not be unreasonably withheld by the city for any district programming at the park.
20:55The park we believe will be a huge regional draw, a beautiful asset for the entire Cocklands County region, and we would love to have um NCPRD programming take part there.
21:09That's where we are as of today.
21:12So before we kind of I turn to council and ask for a formal direction to respond to the board with those terms, we do want to ask if anyone from our audience wants to provide any public testimony on what they've heard tonight or this topic in general uh we do have one person online who has their hand raised.
21:42We have one person online who has their hand raised, so we will give them three minutes.
21:47And if you would please um uh give your name and uh your neighborhood, that would be great.
21:53I'll go ahead and uh allow you to speak hello.
21:59Uh can you hear me okay?
22:04All right, this is Dave Cudwalleter.
22:06I am in Island Station in Milwaukee.
22:09And um I've testified a bunch of times um to the NCPRD uh board, and uh one common point of confusion for me is around this um subject of of equity and what's what's equitable.
22:28Um I am hoping that um through this process of of documenting um you know the balances on the SDCs that we can go a step further towards removing some of this ambiguity about how um STCs have been spent and allocated in the past.
22:49One particular point that was raised at the last um NCPRD board meeting that I went to, um, I believe uh Director Savas said that Milwaukee has been heavily subsidized by the rest of NCPRD for quite some time.
23:06And I'm trying to reconcile that with these statements here that I'm seeing that zone one SDCs have been um not really spent in Milwaukee at all, it sounds like um, or or that they've gone heavily towards projects outside of incorporated Milwaukee.
23:25So I'm wondering if there's any black and white documentation we can put out there that says this is how much SDC money has been generated over time, and this is how much has been used for Milwaukee, just so we can kind of put this subject to rest, and hopefully that would increase our ability to have some um something to stand on when we're when we're making this um proposal for the for the IGAs.
24:00Gary, you want to come up?
24:02You didn't fill out a yellow card, but you can fill that out afterward.
24:18I'm Gary Klein and Lip Milwaukee.
24:21I uh first moved here in 1948.
24:24I've been in and out of Milwaukee for a while because I was in the service then in Northeast Portland move back in 2002.
24:33I've been on the park and rec board, I've been on the park uh task force, and I've been in the park uh in Milwaukee Bay's park program, and I just timed out on that.
24:47But I'm happy and looking forward to something actually going further in phase three on Milwaukee Bay Park.
24:56I'm going 100% for it.
25:00We donated the property at Klein Points, so it would start and it did.
25:03It got phase one done, and I'm looking forward for the rest of it to happen.
25:07Anything I can do to support it, let me know.
25:14He's getting, for those who can't see, he's getting a round of applause from the small but dedicated crowd we have here.
25:24Okay, I think that's it for public testimony.
25:28I guess I would like to uh address uh Dave Cadwalleter's comment.
25:37Um I think I mean I think having an accounting of SDCs is not a bad idea.
25:43I don't think SDCs are what Director Savas is talking about when he says Milwaukee is being subsidized.
25:50I think he's talking about the maintenance cost of our parks.
25:54I think there has been a narrative, and I've heard it in DAC meetings over the last year or so that um you know Milwaukee is 20% of the district, and the cost of maintaining our parks is more than 20% of the cost of all the parks maintenance.
26:12Uh when we've asked them for an accounting of that, I don't believe they've ever been able to produce an accounting of that.
26:20But I I don't really think when you hear that comment that it's about the SDCs.
26:25That said, like I said, it's not a bad thing to try and uh you know show how SDCs have been spent over the last 10 or 15 years.
26:36Um I guess I'll stop at that.
26:41So um really the direction I'm looking for tonight from council is if I got it right, um, is council supportive of staff responding to the NCPRD board with the items that I discussed tonight, and by what deadline would council like um staff to ask for a response um from the board.
27:05So um before we take a vote and we can somebody can make a motion.
27:09I don't know whose side of the table it it's uh motion time for, but um I just wanted to also say that um Mr.
27:21Klein, Jacob Sherman, I think maybe Jennifer, others in our community have testified to NCPRD in various forums over the last few years and um last couple of years.
27:35And often what they heard was they the parks district couldn't go forward um because there was no provision for stranded assets.
27:44That was a common phrase they used.
27:47Like if if Milwaukee were to leave, there was no provision for stranded assets.
27:51We had an agreement on the pro Emma outlined it here tonight, the whole capitalization, who capitalizes and how we pay back under an amortized under a depreciation schedule.
28:05We had that agreement early summer or midsummer.
28:09Um, but the goalposts have been moving a little bit.
28:12I'm hopeful that um, you know, in addition, in addition to us agreeing to that, which has been a long-standing request.
28:19We've also agreed to take on the maintenance of the Milwaukee Community Center.
28:23That is not an insignificant uh obligation on us.
28:28So I just want for the record to highlight how much we are we have given to get to this point.
28:36And um, I am hopeful that maybe we can actually get to a um get to an agreement before the end of the calendar year.
28:47Um so that's my thought on the deadline, but anyway, um does someone I guess we should have the um the first have these as separate questions.
28:58So is council supportive of the staff uh response as outlined by Emma tonight.
29:05And I don't know if we do we need a motion.
29:07I'm trying to make a motion if you want to do that.
29:09I can move for staff to respond to the NCPRD board with items that we discussed tonight.
29:14Um, and I know we don't dictate the county's calendar, but I know we're trying to get this done by the end of the year.
29:20That would be lovely.
29:21And so to ask for a response back by our December 2nd meeting, I think would help with our timeline there.
29:29Okay, I think that was a second motion.
29:32Okay, a motion and a second to go forward with the items discussed tonight with a uh request for a response by December 2nd, which if we have agreement by December 2nd, we are able to potentially have signed agreements at our last meeting of the year.
29:49Uh all those in favor say aye.
29:52Opposed, none heard.
30:00Thank you very much, Council.
30:01And we finish with five minutes to spare.
30:03Well, I want to thank the counselors for making time, making an extra meeting night to get this worked out.
30:10And I really want to thank Emma, Justin, uh Joseph, and other staff who have been at this table with us for many months.
30:20And um, you know, there's still, you know, with the going back with these, there's still some fine-tuning and editing to do, but I guess I'm leaving here optimistic tonight.
30:32If nothing else, I'll entertain a moment.
30:37It's been moved and seconded to adjourn.
30:39All those in favor say aye.