Okay, with that, we call the two thousand four hundred and forty first meeting of the Milwaukee City Council Border.

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Um, first, for those who haven't seen, um, we have a very exciting event.

Next item on the agenda is Milwaukee's pet time challenge.

Our beloved mascot Millie has been looking for a new pet friend who's an engaged Milwaukee.

And after some fierce competition, we have a winner to announce.

Um, I'm excited to welcome up our community engagement coordinator, Jason Wax for a little update.

Millie, just make sure you press the button if you're gonna speak.

Well, good good evening, City Council.

Um, I'm Jason Wax, the city's community engagement coordinator, and I'm here with Millie tonight.

Um, we weren't sure if Millie was gonna join us right away, but uh Millie made it on time, so we're all here.

Um so for uh a few months uh from October 21st to January 2nd.

Um we held a contest called Millie's Pet Power Challenge, and uh it was on our engagement walkie platform.

Um we had a couple goals in mind um when we did this.

Um, you know, engagement walking reviews for some pretty serious stuff over time.

Stop plan, you know, transportation system planning, all these other things, but we're trying to also make it a little bit fun.

Um so we uh kind of dreamed up um an idea to find Millie, some friends, um, and pets uh to be um to be specific.

And we also know that we pets are beloved in our community, so we want to make sure we highlighted some pets and um honestly.

Right before we we chose a volunteer of the year.

Now, this is almost like a pet of the year in a way.

So who knows?

We can't do this every year.

We're not sure yet, but um we're really excited.

We launched it, it was up on the site for about uh two and a half months or so.

Um I'm gonna go over the nominees.

I'm not gonna tell you all the details about each one, but um, if for anyone out there that would like to learn about any of these wonderful nominees, this one will be shared on engagement logging after this.

You go in and learn all about them.

Um but I'm gonna name the ninth 19 nominees.

Uh, and I'll go through all of them and um and then we'll choose the winner and uh bring them in the outside at the moment.

So um it's gonna be a big surprise.

So first nominee we had Shadow the Love Bug, got two votes.

Um had two votes.

We had Chutney, who had three votes.

Oreo um had three votes.

Teddy and Fraz, friends and everyone had three votes.

Uh we had James at the coast.

By the way, these names were what was submitted on the form, so I just did them out of verbatim.

Scout, six votes.

We had Wade, seven votes.

Stanley with seven votes.

Winnie was seven votes.

Ranger had eight votes.

Um Mabel from Milwaukee had nine votes.

Freddy the bass had 11 votes.

I do encourage everyone to read these by the way after the uh in the future because there's some uh pretty interesting information that we shared.

Uh Biscuit had 17 votes.

Jeeves had 25 votes.

Actually, um we had Togo, the coolest unit dragon is sixty-eight votes.

That's an amazing title.

Um the most mellow cat sixty-eight votes.

And um the winner, ninety-two votes is Kiki and May.

The happy numerous geese.

Um I think they're gonna clean inside.

They're on their way.

Um, just so everyone knows we we got stickers made that we're gonna distribute in the community.

And we're gonna um so everyone can have one.

Yeah.

I was gonna give Chinatsu a chance to say a few words.

You'd like to tell us a little bit about them.

Oh sure.

There you go.

Is it okay?

Is it somebody um recording or happy with you, please?

Oh yeah, and it will be recorded actually too.

Good evening.

My name is a chinatsu.

My last name is Amori.

These are my pick geese.

And May is a brown, she's American Bav.

Her me her name means new life or new beginning.

I am so honored to be here to meet you all, and thank you so much for having us tonight.

What a memorable moment that we made.

And I'm so happy that Millie the Goose has two geese friends.

Finally.

Thank you once again.

Everyone.

All right.

So I think um we have a couple things for you as well.

We made we made print for you.

We have some stickers.

I think we're I think we're gonna take pictures with city council up front.

Is everybody okay with that?

Okay.

Let's do it.

Yeah, really.

Oh boy, on this side of Robert.

All right.

We'll try.

Let's see.

Does that work?

Look how desperate you are, Millie.

Oh diaper.

Here, Rebecca, hold on.

Oh my god.

What?

I love the animal segment.

It's the best.

Perfect.

That's amazing.

Yeah.

This is amazing.

Oh, you're a curls.

Don't clutch those curls.

We got it.

Great job.

Girl.

Girl.

Okay.

Okay, bye, guys.

It was a good meeting.

Oh the car.

It says and they need a goose.

I will be in council executive session hanging out with the kicky.

Hi.

Hi.

Snuggle now.

Oh, it's not great.

That's my snare.

I got all of that.

I know.

Oh, one in your chair.

Oh my gosh.

Like joking me in rush.

That's awesome.

I want to go to our house and wonder what they like at home, you know.

Well, I was wondering.

And I was like, Oh, yeah.

Can you imagine?

That's hilarious.

That's so awesome.

Beautiful.

Thanks so much, Millie.

Yeah.

Thanks, Billy.

Oh, thank you.

I don't know about the four.

This is awesome.

Local government.

This is how it's done.

Actual feathers flying for the water.

Yeah, right.

I can see the headlines now.

Feathers fly at no water meeting.

Thank you.

That would be good.

Sure.

Oh my god.

Oh credit.

Small batch.

We already have so much.

Philip, if you can believe it, we do this every council meeting.

If you can believe it, we do this every council meeting.

So I was just getting around.

Next up, uh what an exciting subject that was.

Of equal excitement, we have our Milwaukee student of the month presented by MHS and Ma principal who is mayor.

Do you want to come on up and present us our new student of the month?

Well, good evening, board members.

I'm not John Will 20th, but I haven't seen you all happy year.

Good to see you all again.

That is a hard act to follow, but yet I do bring excellence from Milwaukee High School, Milwaukee Academy of the Arts, and it's right next to me.

Um I'm here to introduce to you all with a milestone scholars at Milwaukee High School.

Um she's a 4.0 GPA.

She's on track to graduate with the honest diploma.

She's an instrumental, a lot of things planned for our school to make it the way it is now.

Um she serves on the Principals Council, National Arms Society, blood blood drive chair.

She was on a school student accreditation panel member.

Um she's on the swimming team for four years now in high school.

Um time team capture community of professional experience.

She's a guy's sunny side volunteer.

Uh she's a lifeguard, guard at that and swim instructor at North Lacken Squad Excellent.

Sorry, Park.

Um at vast academic pursuits, as you can see, she's always working.

And it's remarkable of how they can do other things outside of the academics that they're doing.

Um literature and composition, AP world history, AP US history, Spanish four, free calculus, government economics, and student government.

She has a lot of ways to go with this.

So I am so honored and pleasure to have the pleasure to introduce you all to the student of the month, Mackenzie Van Dyke.

Um welcome to your city hall.

Um we've got a panel of folks who have a lot of questions ask you.

Um would love to turn it to you if you have any words or things you want to say.

We have a well, I'll pass it over to Councillor Stoppenburg if you want to take us away if she has any questions for you.

Uh thank you.

Well, hi.

Um, it's a pretty exciting evening, and I'm so glad that you got to see like all of the facets of local government.

Um congratulations.

And I I guess you know, my question is really, you know, you've been able to maintain a 4.0 and you have all these other extracurriculars.

How do you de-stress going into finals week?

I don't know.

I I'm a big procrastinator, believe it or not.

I do a lot of things last minute.

Um swimming, I like reading those kinds of things in my free time.

I don't know.

Survive, I guess.

Try to get there.

I think that's good advice.

It'll take you a long way.

Um first of all, I was trying to figure out where I recognize you from, and you were actually the instructor for my little son at the aquatic period.

Really?

Yes.

He was the one boy who would listen.

Oh there's actually a lot of those.

Um you know, it's funny when you said procrastinator, wait till last minute.

Yeah.

I actually just recently did that.

I had to put a strategic plan together for work.

And it took me till 6 a.m.

So I guess I got it done.

That's okay.

Um we did a lot of preparation to do really good work.

So don't let anybody tell you differently.

Um it's impressive what you've done.

And I'm curious, like with all this, what's next?

Have you already been to school to go to?

Have you like have you thought about how you're gonna integrate your your swimming into your your athletic part into your college life?

And what's what's that look like to you?

So I'm going to University of Portland study nursing.

Um as far as the swimming thing goes, I'm not really sure if I don't have a swim team.

I could join like a club team or something.

I haven't really thought a whole lot about that.

Um you continue to coach.

Yes, I'm I will continue to work at the first part, I think.

Um probably not as often, but as much as I can.

So well, I appreciate you being here.

Uh just another example of the fantastic students and not just the students, but the faculty, the staff there, uh at the high school when you guys are doing producing our future.

So keep doing a great job, uh, Principal Mayor and best to you and honestly thank you.

Um one of the bright spots we got moving forward, so thank you.

Thank you.

Well, congratulations, uh McKinsey, and you know, I will add my uh admiration for all that you do.

I don't know how you do it, but somehow you do uh take that as uh uh superpower, you know.

But uh I'm sure that uh going to college we you know add to the uh the things that in life that you want to do, I think uh studying uh nursing and the medical professions certainly worthy goal that uh you know we can all be proud of we all need uh you know dedicated and and uh uh smart folks like that in that profession.

I guess if I was gonna ask you one question, um, you know, from from your perspective as a you know as a high school student.

What do you what would you like what advice would you give to the adults?

Oh gosh.

Your parents, us, just think of all the adults who'd like to give one piece of advice too.

That's a big question.

Yeah.

Um I don't know.

I feel like be yourself and let what others think about you affect you.

I don't know.

You sound like a genuine personality.

That's a that's a good answer.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, thank you again.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Um McKinsey, your experience in student government, regardless of what you do, I think it's gonna serve you well.

But the folks in government appear.

I'm just curious, do you have any suggestions on what we should be doing as a city, or what could we do to make your home down a little bit more fun?

I don't know, I haven't really thought about that.

Um I don't know.

Not very good thinking of something off the top of my head.

Um gosh, I'm not sure.

I know for our homecoming parade, you had Millie the Goose as part of our parade.

I thought that was really cool, just like even like little things like that.

I know our cascad and Millie did like a dance battle at some point.

Like that's cool.

Um if you guys wanted to help advertise things for us.

Maybe we work together like that.

I don't know.

We'll certainly send our posters your way.

Um thank you for just all that you've given the work for me.

I mean, there's so much giving back that's there in your resume.

Um I know that when you go up to Portland, you can serve them well on review after that, you know, have a huge impact.

Um so it's been great on this little bit.

I'm so excited to see where you go from here.

Thank you.

Um with that, I think we've got a certificate for you, and um just a round of applause for all you've done.

Thank you so much.

Okay, Philip.

Now's your queue.

Um, this is a part of the agenda where council will hear from community commons on city business that are not on the agenda.

Before we begin, is there follow-up for the January 6th Commons after the city manager book bill?

Uh yes, Council President.

Thanks.

There were two comments made at the last meeting.

One was from Chris Scott.

He had some frustration about the recent convenience fee that we're talking into uh credit card and dividing card transactions.

The mayor addressed some of his concerns there, but I just go a little bit further why we're doing 3% fee on those transactions.

The annual cost the city incurs on every transaction the credit card or a debit card takes is around 3%.

And over the years it's gone from $76,000 up to $342,000.

That cost has been covered by the city and by other funds.

So other you could say other utility payers are providing the cover for those funds for those that use uh a debit card or a credit card.

So the city decided to um make sure make it more sustainable and require that those costs to be covered by the actual player.

And so that's that's why we have moved to that fee, and that will happen um beginning next month.

But anyone who is out there listening and has financial hardship, I know that gentleman spoke a little bit about that, and so anyone that has a hardship out there when it comes to utility fees.

I would ask that you reach out to our utility billing staff at utility billing, utility billing at Milwaukee Oregon.gov or 5037867525.

And we'll we definitely will work with you and um figure out a plan if you need one.

So I just want to say that.

And then the second commenter was Lisa McGulley Spring.

She had some general comments about neighborhood hubs and development projects out in the Linwood area.

Um she also followed up in an email with several questions, and she's been uh talking with staff uh to address this question.

So that's it.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Um City Manager bring you.

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Maybe no.

This is not the kind of discussion.

City manager will respond at the next meeting to comment bargain.

Um first up, we have slip more.

First of all, my hearing's not super great, so if you want me to hear something you need to speak up a little bit.

I wasn't, I wasn't expecting the free entertainment that we had earlier.

Um I have a question for the council.

Uh, does someone on this uh on the council know anything about the safety committee?

Do they just do streets, cars, bicycles, pedestrians, or do they do like crime or whatever?

We can have yeah, so we have a public safety advisory committee that as part of its portfolio administers it safe gets out, money to bikes, pedestrians and safety projects.

They also will talk about public safety issues writ large, they'll meet with our police officers.

We don't normally get into a back and forth dialogue, but I can have Joseph, our acting city manager follow up with you, talk a little bit more about that.

But if you email any of us, um I'm sure we're happy to send you over our information and be helpful there.

Okay, with um that was just a minor point.

I have concerns about snow and ice.

And I would say in my experience, Milwaukee does way better than the city of Portland.

They have basically gridlock anytime there's snow and ice, and I'm sure everyone has seen a nose of people spinning their tires or sliding into other cars or whatever.

And they don't do anything about it.

Nothing.

Um people still try and drive on small nice without traction devices.

And I'll I'll quote my dad.

My dad said you can't legislate good sense.

Um I'll tell you what they do in Kansas City, Missouri.

The main streets, I have a little sign about that big.

So it's emergency snow route.

If there's snow and ice, you're supposed to have some kind of traction devices on your car.

Or if you get stuck, you get towed off, plus you get a fine in addition to that.

But you can drive on the street with no traction devices.

They're not saying you can't drive on the street.

What they're saying is if you get stuck there and you don't have traction devices, you're gonna be towed off and you get it, you're gonna get a fine in addition to it.

And um thus wrong substreets in Nawaka, you could say we're emergency snow rest like 32nd Street where there's a hospital.

Uh thing one car could probably block that street if they really got messed up.

You know, if they got crooked in there, he could block the street.

Um and then the cars in Milwaukee, they're not gonna be going speed, you know, they're not gonna be like on the freeway or something, but uh, I've seen people just don't slow down, they're unsafe and they don't slow down.

And um I'm sure everyone has heard of saying they lost control on the ice.

That's a pretty common saying, but the other way of looking at the same problem is so they never had control on the ice.

Um so anyway.

Uh Philip, we're at the point where you're three minutes is up.

Um, but if you have any other comments, please feel free to reach out and post your email, and we'll have our city manager goes to reach back out and provide information about PSAC and also plan procedures.

Thanks for coming in.

Well, I'm just telling you what we did in Kansas City.

And you can do whatever you want, right?

I'm sure you will.

Um those are my comments.

All right.

Thank you so much for coming.

Bye.

Um, with that, let's move on to the consent agenda.

Today's consent agenda includes minutes of the city council dated December 2nd, 2025 session, December 2nd, 2025 regular session, December 9th, 2025 study session, December 14th, 2025 dinner, December 16th, 2025 board session, December 16th, 2025 regular session.

A motion to approve the update council committee assignments, a resolution, IP is the local contract review board authorizing the city manager to purchase cellular devices and services from HTML.

Does any council member wish to remove the consent to keep the item?

Karen, nothing, I'll entertain a motion.

I'm going to approve the consent agenda as presented.

I second so move to second it.

Um all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

All those that propose say no.

Um passes.

With that, we're on to our first business item, um, adoption of the tree code amendments, v schedule revisions, ordinance resolution.

Um, I think we're calling up our enforced, so I'll pass it to them.

Um to start, we're going to I'm gonna call to order the public hearing on the proposed tree code amendments, these scheduled revisions.

Um purpose of this hearing is here, the staff report take public comments deliberate to consider the proposed tree code amendments and key revisions.

Does any council member wish to announce actual or potential conflict of interest?

Hearing none, does any council member wish to report the exposure contacts regarding the steering action?

Um we'll turn it over to our climate and natural resources manager, Katie Delarez.

All right, hello everyone.

Um, thank you for having us here tonight, council.

Um we kind of started uh this this recent pre-code amendment journey in July 2025 when council gave staff direction to prepare.

Um two um two lines of proposed code updates.

Um and so Alfred or Erin Forster is gonna um kind of quickly walk us through what those proposed changes are.

Um we we talked about them again with you all in December.

Um, and then um uh potentially adopt them tonight.

Um so without further ado, Alfred.

Good evening, everyone.

Um so as Katie said, we've seen these just running through again and uh because we're adopted again as Katie mentioned, council direction was to research how we could adequately incentivize preservation during development and provide greater code clarity flexibility for removing trees because structural and maintenance uh confidence with a dwelling unit.

We came back with the development code recommendations of developing a significant tree removal tree, increasing canopy mitigation fees, adopting the rare and for species lists, and adjusting the unpermitted removal fee.

Regarding residential tree code, we decided to add an allowance for removal of trees within 10 feet of a dwelling unit that causes infrastructure damage.

And we also added some more clarity on what staff would utilize uh regarding standards for reason-wise when it comes to alternative construction techniques, uh alternative pruning and simple.

Okay, on to the significant tree removal fee.

This would come in a play for any tree over 30 inches in diameter, and again, that is from 30 to 35.99, it would be 150 per inch.

And for trees 36 or larger, it'd be 200 per inch.

The canopy mitigation, we have decided to recommend going from 30% of it to a 40% candy reduction.

Any reduction below that at 8% increments, you would start to compare fees, starting at 4,000 up to 80,000, 12,000, totaling 40,000 if a site goes from 40% to 0% candy.

For the rare and threatened species, we have tree board review, and we will adopt administratively by January 2026 again.

So that list has been flushed out, we're doing fine edits, we should be ready to go.

And then finally, we decided to establish an additional fee for unpermitted or recommended sorry to establish additional fee for unprecedented removals of rare threatened trees during development with the fee standing at $350 per TBH page.

And in regards to the tree rules within 10 feet, removal would be approved even if adverse effects can be mitigated.

The caveat here is the tree local within 10 feet of the dwelling unit presents a significant ongoing or unavoidable conflict with this disruptor as determined by the urban coaster.

And regarding the standards that staff would utilize for evaluating reasonableness, we have small residential repairs, preservation is very reasonable when the cost of a feasible alternative is 20% of the direct directly related project cost in places of infrastructure, sidewalks utility, preservation is typically reasonable and cost of the next three times the cost of removal and replacement of the subject tree.

And finally, in the case of significant trees, again, 30 inches gauge or larger.

Preservation is reasonable cost of five times the cost of removal and replacement.

And again, that reflects the high value of these significant trees.

Additional code updates, recommendations from the equity urban forestry mutation planning agent that is currently underway.

And based on the results of that, we may come in and make some more suggestions.

And again, after we run this potential adoptive code, we would come back and suggest potential refinements based on feedback, the way it actually works, and things of that matter.

Any questions?

Yeah, thanks.

I'm just food for thought and stream to think about because it sounds like we are gonna have to come back for additional changes to the color.

You know, I thought about a lot a lot about this.

Um it wasn't until I drove down Stanley going north, and I saw that huge tree in front of one of their developments that I started really questioning how effective this is gonna be.

So that tree for others for the rest of the council to know the cost of that because they're taking that tree out prior to this going into place.

Will you do you know the dimensions of that tree, please?

I do.

It was a 36-inch to how tall is that tree?

About 100 and 350 feet.

Okay, you pay 400.

That's before this plot.

You want to know what they would pay with this code?

7,200.

So when I heard that, that maybe we go back to what you mentioned last time, council, Bessie.

When you say that your concern was developers passing that cost onto the cost of the home.

If we have a 400 fee, the likelihood of them passing that cost on is probably zero.

If you have a seven to ten thousand dollar fee, the likelihood of them passing that on to the buyer is probably 80 to 100%.

So once again, we're at a next.

So I'm not trying to change things right now.

I'm a little hesitant to even implement this because I don't want them to start passing on that cost.

But there's no way that a tree that size should be 400 bucks.

My intention of this, well, I was hoping that it would be like 40,000 is the start.

Because we're sitting here, we've talked about so many times when we've appraised these trees for being a million dollars plus, but we're charging 7,000.

So there's a little bit of like we're stepping on our toes quite a bit.

Uh I think and I think there's so much, even with the residential tree code, there's a lot of subjects with that.

I actually have somebody right now, a neighbor of mine that has to go to court with their neighbor over a tree.

And then that's that's a whole different thing.

But it just made me start thinking, and again, I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel here, but I just maybe we should think about simple calling how we're doing this and just make certain trees at a certain diameter and a certain height unremovable.

Like that huggy food tree at 36 inches should not be removal.

That developer should have to rethink what they're building.

If they don't want to build it, then they don't build it.

And then what we could do is then apply a residential tree code to an affordable housing developer as an incentive.

If that was the only way to develop it is to remove that tree, and they would think we could apply them to a simpler tree code that is trick.

But 7200 is not gonna move the table, it's gonna do exactly what Council Massey said last week.

They're just gonna pass that down to the buyer, and then just not it's not they have a hundred feet, man.

I thought I was like, Oh, it's over 30 feet, and so I'm way off.

So I just I'm hesitant about upping these fees because of that, and I'm hesitant also because this isn't doing enough.

Um, I just think that we should start thinking about maybe just making certain tree sizes cannot cut them down because what's how much are we losing in canopy with that tree?

So in that particular property, the reason it was 400 is very that is even with the reduction, sorry, remove that tree, the canopy reduction did not qualify on our free schedule.

It's still above that 30% threshold.

So at 400 is just standard processing where we review the plans, couple of s type visits here and there, initial middle, and then the final sample inspection at 7,200.

The counselor mentioned would actually just be the significant proposed fee.

That is the only one that we're applying this kids.

Um, but you are losing a decent tree mode to that.

Yes, massive.

I drive by every morning to drop my kids off room, just it breaks my heart because you know if you have an opportunity to get a couple of things with this tree code, push back on development that's overpriced in some cases, market rate development, right?

But also have a chance to really value those trees.

That I mean, in your profession, how long does it take on average for tree that size to grow?

It takes the books, and the truth of the matter is you know, replanting is is nice and it is needed, but you will not replace the benefits lost by replanting four or five setup.

It won't recover it for decades again, right?

That takes time.

Right.

So I mean, there's variables involved, you're losing that, and I'll talk about all of those decades that you're waiting for.

Those newally plant the trees to reach the same level, you're missing out on those budgets as well.

And so if you're losing that immediate benefit and you're having reduced benefits given for how to use until it reaches that level, if it reaches that level, yeah.

Damn.

Um again, I didn't want to like get into a whole debate about it.

I'm I'm fine with the code language cleanups and stuff, but I just I'm not sure about implementing implementing these fees because I I think we might be thinking a whole other problem.

Potentially, and and honestly, Councillor Bassie, um, you said it last you said it last time, and I wish I did that.

I wish we gave an example we did a scenario at the last because it probably wouldn't, I probably would have said this at that time.

And I hate staff using so much time, and then we get here, and then we're like, oh hey, well, you know what?

We don't think this is gonna work.

So I don't want to stop.

I mean, I'm I'm one of four here, so I don't want to stop it, but I do, I I am a little bit hesitant with with those feeds.

So there are some times that um when during the development process, when we outline um like the the proposed fees or what it will um when someone's reducing their canopy below 30%, that um they go back to the drawing board and move that ADU to a different part, or they change that setback.

So that fee is a very effective method for that tree retention.

Um, and so I think um in those cases when we're seeing um that extra incentive to preserve those large trees, that would be incredibly valuable when we're in that like negotiation component.

Um there are some cases um where they're along past that, and the the fee is from kind of anecdotally what we hear are kind of a drop in the bucket of the larger development, depending on the size, and or the the amount of additional housing units that they're putting on a lot just does not um can't with how many uh trees they have on the site.

So they during the development process, there are those kind of two distinct um paths that that the developers are going down.

Um our development tree code also does a lot more than just um uh uh the the fees and trying to encourage that preservation.

Um we we are also um very effectively and strictly monitoring like how folks need to set up their construction site to make sure those trees are actually preserved during it, and then what soil amendments do they have to do active words, what um different mitigation options, and then the replanting.

And so the um kind of thought to use the residential tree code at that times during the development tree code.

I will say they're they're apples and oranges in terms of like the what all is housed under the development tree code.

Um with the current development tree code uh options that we're putting forth.

We do um we are maintaining the separate fees for the separate fee schedule for affordable housing development um that we have currently in our tree code.

Um right now, those are uh um like half the cost of if you want to go to the increase the canopy mitigation fees.

Um one more.

Um so the existing fee structure um where they all are 4,000.

If it is a um uh qualified affordable housing project for the city, those are all uh 2,000.

Um so the max that affordable housing um project would pay is 8,000 versus the existing 16, and then the proposed piece structure tonight would be at that 40,000.

So that there is a significant um additional incentive for like the city's um kind of public uh what's the word I'm looking for, um, like the public interest our city has in that affordable housing development.

So that that incentive will remain in what we currently have.

I guess one more last thought is that the one of the things that it sounds like you're describing with wanting to ensure that a tree cannot be removed, um, sounds like a heritage tree program.

Um so one thing we don't um we don't say in our uh tree code, um even on the residential side is that like you cannot move this tree.

We say you can if you pay this really high fee that goes to kind of all of us in their great programming and planting, um, and hoping that would be a strong enough incentive.

Um heritage tree program on the other side, which is it currently in our urban forest management plan, um, is um it's it's like a land use uh type decision or process that designates that tree that it cannot be removed.

Um, and that is something that that property owner decides, and um then that carries forward even if that property owner sells their tree in the future, that that tree is protected.

You are like selling the development rights and the rural rights um for that tree.

One of the reasons we have talked about lots of tree board on um advancing a heritage tree program or something like a significant tree fee is um kind of twofold.

One is the administrative burden of um heritage tree programs.

Um it is uh a really big lift um for a very small urban forestry team to track those um application processes.

Um, and then also the tree board um would need to kind of shift um some of their um their their bylaws to then maybe approving um like receive those applications and approve them.

Um all doable if we want, and um kind of what we see, what I see when I walk around Portland that has a heritage tree program is that um they have little plaques on where they are, and most often they are in the really well canopied higher income neighborhoods because they are from folks, like folks have to go through an application process um through the city and advocate on behalf of their tree, and we aren't seeing kind of we see that less in the low canopy um neighborhoods in in Portland.

Um, and so what we did with the significant tree fee is that 30% DDH is the um one of the criteria, the size criteria for the heritage tree program in Portland.

So a tree um can can be under consideration if it's 30 inches or higher, and kind of there's some additional criteria there too.

So we used this approach and that size cutoff to be a similar process, but not make make it so onerous on the resonance um to have to do this application process.

My question is the heritage tree thing sounds too complex.

Why can't we just 36 inches round diameter like over 30 feet or over 25 feet is not allowed to be cut, just simple is that not legally allowed?

I've already saying that.

Yeah, I think um I really appreciate your comments, Katie and Alpha and your thoughtful approach here.

The I think the what I said last meeting and kind of still stands, there's this next between the development industry one and then also the tree plan beat and these old growth trees that I want to keep.

I don't know at what point um those butt up to where a person can develop their lot in a in a way that they're allowed to by law, and that it becomes a taking at some point.

That's one thing I just I don't have any sense of that.

But isn't that difference between a development code and a residential tree code?

Because if I already own my property, I tear my house can be built.

That's not the same as me developing a hundred and unit or putting four units on a property, then right.

I actually don't think that's a distinction that matters because the developer still owns the property.

There's an owner to that property, so there's some banning school outright from taking down trees will require some some further analysis both legally and administratively, how we would do something like that.

So it's it's not a dead easy.

Um heritage tree programs or programs I think the jurisdictions put in place to help protect the resource.

But you gotta remember when you're telling somebody your 36-inch tree is a public resource or a piece of public infrastructure that you're requiring a person to keep on their property.

It's kind of a weird analysis, but there's some taking analysis that goes into that, and we'd have to take a look at that.

I can't grant you and I don't have legal advice on the diet, so I can't really comment on my thoughts on it.

Uh, but it will definitely be a deeper dive than just saying how we should because I still don't think that we're our tree canopy is reduced.

So if we put in that goal of 40%, so we either got to get rid of that goal, because I don't I don't want to in a couple years by the time that goal schools will come do say that we failed.

So if we know we're on a fail key, why are we still going down those paths, right?

So either we get rid of that goal or we do something or we call true people.

I don't know.

Um I mean, I just don't think that we're gonna we're not gonna need what we this or the tree canopy.

We're gonna fail on both is what I'm concerned about.

I would just say news years aren't unique to Milwaukee.

Yeah, these types of things have been considered across the country to varying degrees, and so you know, if that's a direction council like uh staff to look into, we can certainly look at that and analysis, and it's you know, it's it's from a legal perspective but also administrative.

And so we need to look and find what that balance is because in one side you're correct, we have a loss of the tree community, but on the other side, we built some very important housing that we needed, right?

So you can't one hand can't shape without the wheel, right?

So I think it's really interesting, and that's the balance staff trying to strike when you look at these things.

Um I do think you have an interesting point.

Or I I guess one thing that I'm thinking if you have a tree that costs 75,000 to cut down, the developer will spread those costs across all the units that they're developing.

Imagine a similar scenario where a developer buys land for 300,000, they wanted to build up three units on it, but we can't cut down the tree, and so you're only able to develop two units.

That $300,000 cost of land that would have been spread to three units, spread between two units, and so that extra $100,000 is now spread as opposed to $7.5,000.

I think that like frankly, I'm a like I still there's totally a tension there, and I'm okay with making it so developers have to pay this extra cost, or the cost of producing that housing goes up in order to protect these trees.

I do think you have a good point.

Um the price, frankly, I think should be higher than $7.5,000.

And I want to start visit this.

I think the thing that I would have all of us on the diet today is I think it's really important that we pass the tree code tonight.

You saw last time as we were debating the tree code.

Um, developers took advantage of the deliberation and folks with all of the tree code and a clear cutting lots and preparing ahead of time for the changes that would come.

Um so I think it is really important on us to night to prevent that sort of thing happening, and then to visit the future.

I would absolutely do open to what is a certain um size tree that we want to remove altogether.

But I think it is important to think about the cost there.

I guess all that to say the question I could staff is if we pass this post tonight, say oh into effect tomorrow, or what's the timeline for up to the so we have prepared uh um uh ordinance piece schedule resolution to be passed um uh and reaffected under like an emergency declaration so it'd be effective today.

Okay, I appreciate that.

Counselor ready to respond.

Yeah, just the last last thing.

Um, just on your scenario that I can first of all, I hope the developer before they buy a 300,000 piece of land, does their own work and realize they are allowed to build on that?

That's not enough.

Second of all, um 7500 is a lot easier to spread across properties than 100,000, and that's a deterrent because you can't just say, okay, I gotta pay 100,000 to cut these trees down, I'm gonna add 50 grand to this one, 50 grand to this one.

If they're not worth that, because remember, real estate's not what we want to sell for.

Real estate is what the market is going to is willing to buy, right?

So with that logic, if the market only says your house is max, you can sell it as 400,000.

You can't just do 50 grand on top and send themselves for 450.

Chances are you're gonna do that anyways, and through negotiations, you're gonna get you 400,000.

So you're gonna lose that hundred grand anyways.

That was the point of having it as a as a as a dollar.

If the developer was to buy that thing, they're not gonna buy it yet.

Let's say they go in to buy this property, they do their due diligence, they realize that the only way they're gonna get it if they cut that tree.

That's gonna cost 100,000.

That developer might say, Well, hell, what I'm building isn't gonna, I'm not gonna be able to spread that into the values, only building 800 square foot units.

How much can I sell these for, right?

So the hope is that instead of buying that lot and going through all that, cutting down that tree and then pricing people out even further.

The hope is the developer turns around and goes the other way, and then affordable housing developer now steps in and says, I can do this, and I don't even need to touch that tree.

That's that was my thought in raising these significant uh fees to push back on a bunch of market rate development that isn't selling, it's pricing people out and potentially retreat the deterrent on whether we build another market rate unit or another affordable housing unit.

So that was really why you know the market's only gonna take the camp.

You can't just go, you can't just build an 800 square foot house and say you want to sell it for so um I think that's fair.

I'll respond to that in a second, but first room questions for staff, and I realize when we towed the line into deliberation.

Are there other questions that people have for staff called here?

Okay, I think it's not today.

I'm not sure it says I should say to you formally, um, but obviously it'll work to put in this code.

It really is.

I mean, we're in a new frontier with our code, and I think we already have one of the most aggressive tree codes in the state, and your take message you are so I appreciate all the responsiveness you've had for residents and questions.

Um let's see.

Um if there are no more questions, I will entertain a motion to close the public comment for the hearing.

Uh do we skip over to take a public comment?

That we did.

Look at this dictatorial approach.

Yep.

Um does anyone wish to comment on the proposed tree code amendments and fee revisions?

Um one okay.

Um we do have a zoom audience.

No, okay.

Um staff have any response to the testimony?

There was none.

Um let's see, we can go forward and um if there are no more questions, I'll entertain a motion to close the public comment for the hearing.

A second.

Uh so in consecutive.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All those opposed say no.

Motion passes.

Public comment part of the hearing is closed.

Um now you can move council discussion.

Is there any other council discussion?

Um I might say just a few things to flag for us to come back to when you do come for a revision.

Um, I do want to revisit this affordable housing um fee, the carve out.

I want to make sure that affordable housing is still able to come and any additional costs that we have on affordable housing control persons.

It's not like they have infinite lots of money.

I want to make sure that this is still tenable for affordable housing to be built in the city.

And so revisiting that taking conversations that are um development team and um land use expodes are having with those developers.

Um, I think will be really worthwhile.

Um, I think we should vote because it there are trees that should not be able to be removed or certain size.

Um, I think that council bodies right a heritage tree system seems really difficult.

I understand the deep laws limitations.

Um, but I think in light of the changes that we're making, um, I think that's something to revisit as well as a discussion of if scaling the fee for 36 entries or greater would be appropriate.

Um, like I said before, I think it's really important for us that we pass this tree code tonight um so that we don't see developers take advantage of our deliberations on however long we might carry on.

Other deliberations or discussion.

Um with that, um I think um I will entertain a motion to approve this ordinance.

I'd move for the first and second reading by title only and adoption you order using municipal code and mc chapter 16.32 tree code for the purpose of strengthening tree preservation during development and declaring any emergency.

Second um sorry Massive use that for the first and second reading by title only adoption of the ordinance but any municipal code, chapter 16.32 tree code for the purpose of strengthening tree preservation during development and declaring emergency.

All those in favor say aye.

All those opposed say no.

Uh-huh.

It passes, but not unanimously.

Um since the voting was not unanimous, um the ordinance must be read at two separate meetings.

Acting city manager brighter, please read the ordinance in uh one time and vote.

In ordinance of the city of Milwaukee, Oregon, amending municipal code MMC chapter 16.32 tree code for the purpose of strengthening tree preservation during development and declaring an emergency.

Um second meeting and adoption will be set for the next council meeting on February 3rd, 2026.

Um with that, I'll entertain a motion to approve the resolution revision fees.

Uh council massey moves to approve the resolution revising fees and charges and updating the consolidated fee schedule for fiscal year 2026.

All those in favor say aye.

Um let's vote this one out and then we can talk about revisit.

Oh, you're thinking okay.

Do we have process clarification?

Yes, uh point of work.

Yeah, well, uh we just voted on a closed part.

Well, we just voted on, wasn't that what was that just the language or yeah?

I think because we have to have a second reading on the code amendment package, the resolution for the fees is tied to the code, which won't come in, won't be affecting until the next meeting, which could change.

You guys might not pass it next time.

Like you have a second reading to have that has to occur.

So are we voting on two separate things right now?

Yes, I think the resolution is table until a final decision on the code amendment package.

Right.

So because you you passed in the first vote, you by a non-unanimous vote.

resolution but the fees is tied to the code which won't come in won't be affecting until the next meeting which could change you guys might not pass it next time like you have a second reading to have that has to occur so are we voting on two separate things right now yes I think the resolution is table until a final decision on the code amendment package right so because you you passed in the first board you by a non-unanimous vote you now have to vote you have to do a second reading right only after that do that code then become adopted and adapted if it is adopted you would adopt the presentation yeah for changers of code until the original proposal was approved for changes yes correct so these changes will come back for the next meeting so with that's you'd like to rescind your motion with all of okay um I think that's called said here um Alfred and Katie and we'll see you on February 3rd.

Thank you.

Thank you so much have a good night okay um we're a little ahead of schedule thank God Vera is here um did a move to adoption housekeeping code amendments as Vera comes up on ICU those I'm so excited the city is doing housekeeping amendments like this is such a good way to do governance and um just honestly great job to the planning department for this this is so exciting to see I'm a big fan of housekeeping amendments I'm totally right I didn't do my job a public hearing on the proposed code amendments is called order the purpose of this hearing is to hear the staff report take public comments deliberate and consider the proposed housekeeping amendments.

Does anyone does any council member wish to announce an actual or potential conflict of interest does any council member wish to report when it's our due contact hearing act with that we can turn to planning manager Bolis.

Evening council thank you here to present the uh the code of proposed code amendments for um a set a suite of housekeeping code amendments um in a couple of months um our senior planner Ryan Dyer will be back here with what we're calling policy light so we have sort of a gradient of code amendments but these are the housekeeping ones for spite uh the goals of this package of code amendments are is clarification um in various options throughout the code consistency with state law um we're required um the intent is not to change policy uh with these code amendments process thus far we had our public hearing with the planning commission on December 9th where they recommended approval of the amendments were here before you tonight uh the code commentary um with the proposed code amendments was posted as required with a 30-day notice um and the 35 day notice was posted with metro and with DLCD as required as well okay starting off um with the proposed amendments within title 17 um or sorry no general amendments apologies so this is just a slide to talk about some general amendments that are happening throughout um you know replacing shall we must um where we're touching the code in those sections we're adding triplex and quadplex where only duplexes noted we missed a couple of parts when you're doing the house book 2001 we'll be doing that for quite some time um but the code pre uh the house book 2001 we did have specific call-outs for duplexes and we didn't do a good uh find and replace um so we're doubling up with it's duplex it's also triplex it's also complex um and then there are a couple of sections in the code where we did not remove references to the um design and law marks committee seven of the DLC which does not exist anymore but still there were some holdovers language so we wanted to clean that up as well okay we have some proposed amendments within title 17 our land division code we are proposing to add or designee for signing authority particularly in sections where the city engineer um is identified to sign um final plats for example um with the new reorganization of city government generally it's actually the assistant city city engineer would be who would be signing those final plats because um that's the position that's actually reviewing plats for land division applications the city engineer is at GCB mostly working on the CIP projects so by adding or designee we can we have more um we have some more options for who can sign for the plots we are adding some language proposing to add language related to building permits and middle housing land divisions this is in relation to recent state law that um allows for preliminary plats for middle housing land division to be submitted before during or after the submittal of building permits that's a change so we wanted to make that clear how within our process for middle housing land divisions in our code uh we would like to revise plat notations for middle housing land divisions um for compliance with the county surveyor requirements um under the original middle housing land division law there were some notations that were required to be placed on flats um but the county surveyor and the survey um section of of code um would like to have those be conditions um within the decision for the middle housing land of decision uh division

We would like to revise plat notations for middle housing land divisions for compliance with the county surveyor requirements.

Under the original middle housing land division law, there were some notations that were required to be placed on plats.

But the county surveyor and the survey section of code would like to have those be conditions within the decision for the middle housing land division, but not actually noted on the plat.

Some of those notations are encumbering plats for future situations that the county surveyor is asking surveyors to remove on those plots.

So we'd like to not get into a bind and sending developers over to the county surveyor and then having to redo plats.

So it would still hold because it's part of our decision for the middle housing land division, but it's not actually notated on the plat itself.

And then again, as a land division, uh revising the review process to reflect state law, our current code.

Not we've been administering the state law appropriately, but middle housing land divisions are not a type two review process, they're their own process.

Um so we're removing the reference to the type two review process for that section.

Any questions about the Title 17?

Okay.

We have a couple of definitions that we're proposing to revise, some clarifications regarding lot coverage, um, the definition of front lot line, and the definition for cottage cluster.

We wanted to make sure that our definition matched, for example, if cottage cluster that it matched the project cluster code itself, that colleges can be attached.

But we didn't have that in the definition definition, so we're trying to reduce conflict in the language of the code.

Okay.

We are proposing that in sections 19.301 and 302.

So those that's our um moderate density and our high density residential zones, uh, that we would reduce the street side yard setback for townhouses.

Um, and within the staff report and here on the screen, um, you can see an example of our tax lots um collections where we have um in various sections of the city, we have a lot of underlying tax lots, um, which uh were cladded many, many, many years ago effectively as townhouse lots.

Um, this has come up before where the Jackson and 52nd um townhouse development, they needed um variances um to address the street side yard setback because we they weren't allowed to build uh to the lot lines as as we as they would normally because of the um underlying lot lines.

We are proposing to reduce the street side yard setback so that it would match this regular side yard setback to five feet for townhouse development, um, not for flexes or anything else, but specifically for townhouse development to reflect that construction type.

A couple of pictures, the lower picture is the 52nd Jackson townhouses that um were constructed last year, I believe.

Um, and then the upper picture um is an example of a corner lot um in Portland.

Actually, it's on Duke.

Um, anybody's familiar with the neighborhood, but um, to show you an example of a townhouse development with a five-yard setback, um, so you could see kind of what that looks like.

The relationship of the building to the sidewalk.

We have a street side yard setback, it kind of feels a little bit like a front yard setback.

It's intended to reflect a relationship of the building to the to the sidewalk, but it creates it encumbers um, it creates a barrier for townhouse development for particularly for those platted um underlying laws.

So we would um we would like to propose that Act be reduced to the five feet again, limited only to townhouse development.

Happy to answer any questions, and I think this might bring up something.

Oh we can come back moving on.

All right, um, staying in 301 and 302 again are residential um zones.

Um, a couple of language cleanups regarding language specific to duplexes for lot coverage bonuses, um the holdover from old code, so we'd like to remove that.

The lot coverage bonuses covers all middle housing um and single family as well.

Um, and we wanted to revise the language for a lot coverage bonus for ADUs.

Our current code only talks about detached ADUs.

We would like to reflect detached ADUs as well to make sure that those that they benefit from that additional lot coverage bonus as well.

Okay.

Uh in the Willam and Greenway, we have a list of exemptions of the kind of development that you can do to be exempt from Lambic Greenway review.

And it's a little unclear, so we wanted to clarify that within that list of exemptions are accessory structures that match the accessory structure limitation for score footage and building permit requirements.

So again, clarification to make it clear when people ask us if they can build a shed, we can say yes and move on from that discussion.

Staying with accessory structures, we have proposed some revisions to the language for perimeter fences and maximum height, trying to confirm the definition of a perimeter fence and the side and rear lot lines so that we can clarify that location with fences and their maximum height of six feet.

So you can't have 30 feet within 25 feet.

So we wanted the math to be reconciled.

So each individual access way would be 10 feet, which is um which also matches the public work standards for minimum driveway width for an individual dwelling unit as well.

Okay.

We wanted to clarify the applicability of the base zone standards to conversions to PLEX units.

You can convert in an accessory garage, for example, into an ADU, and you don't need to meet the setbacks because the structure is already there.

We don't make the same language consistent within 505.1 for conversion into a PLEX unit.

So we wanted to clarify that if you're converting an existing structure into a PLEX unit, you can do that, and it's okay if you don't meet the setbacks because it's an existing structure.

We are proposing to remove some language for Plexes that conflict with standards for single view catch students.

There are a few sections that talk about sustainability requirements, um, where for recycling and trash and those sorts of things.

We've been advised by HAPO that we need to have the same uh design and development standards for Plex development that we have for single detached units, and we don't have those standards for single detached, so we're proposing to remove that language so they are all the same.

Try to avoid as much conflict with HAPO as possible.

Um again, there's no new language except any of the state law complaints that we're trying to retrofit in there.

Feels like a moving target sometimes, but I feel like we're on the right track and making sure that we're clear with those folks.

Okay.

Uh within the design standards for cottage clusters, um, we're revived, we're proposing revise the language to remove and clarify um languages related to attached garages with cottages.

That at the very even when we um brought in the new cottage cluster code with the House Book 2001 amendments, um, it was never the intent to allow attached garages with an individual cottage.

You can have a garage as part of a cottage cluster development, but the idea was not to have a cottage with its own garage.

Um, but there's some holdover language from the old cottage cluster code that made that conflicted uh with that.

So we're proposing uh to remove that language to make it very clear.

That attached collages or individual attached cottages are not permitted.

Um, we did have it in the original code packet that went to the planning commission.

Um, we had language that was um intended to clarify that attached cottages did not mean stacked pottages.

Um that in discussion with HACO, we've removed that proposal because we can't allow stacked cottages as part of the um new code language.

We're not um it's not clear when a stacked cottage development might be proposed, but we can't um disallow them.

So we're just removed that proposal.

We do allow attached cottages, however, they might come in.

We'll figure that out.

Stacked would be allowed, yes.

They wouldn't be allowed to be divided in a middle housing land division because lot lines don't float in the air.

Um, but if someone wanted to propose a stacked footage in it, they could.

Yeah, so I'm set up the code requirements.

Okay.

Any questions about any uh okay?

All right, um non-residential development have a 5.7.

Um still mention row houses, so again, trying to make sure that the language is clear and um is consistent, so replacing townhouses, and then clarifying that the applicability of that section of code does not apply to the downtown mixed zone, the downtown distribution code is what applies to the DMU zone itself.

Um so we need to make that clear.

Um we are clarifying a couple of different sections related to manufactured dwellings and manufactured rolling parks, 506 and 910.3 reflecting state law.

We had some um a couple of um pieces of language in there that was in conflict with recent state law regarding minimum lot size for a manufactured pinoring park and what kinds of standards we can apply to manufactured dwellings again.

They have to be exactly the same as the single detached.

We still had a couple of things regarding aprons, um, and again the minimum lot size.

Um that was in content with state law.

So we're gonna get rid of that.

Um, and we want to clarify um a piece of language that in the home occupations code or the home based business code, clarifying that the owner or the operator um would be allowed to operate a short-term rental.

Um, we were specific in our code that it had to be the property owner itself, but we wanted to recognize that someone who lived on the property but didn't own the property could still operate a short-term rental.

That's for them to handle their with their landlord, but or we didn't want our code to um to get involved in that.

Okay.

And the last section, um some amendments regarding wireless communication facilities.

We wanted to revise the list of exempt facilities um for FCC regulations.

Again, those seem to they was show up, and we want to make sure that our code is consistent with um what kinds of facilities do not require land use review.

Um, and we wanted to add standards for small cell facilities, um, these are the ones that look like little dorm fridges attached to vaults.

Um, we didn't have any standards for that, but we do in the public work standards, so we wanted to pull them into the um into 904.10 to make sure that we um so that our zoning code was talking um to the public work standards as well, and then finally get the ADUs um in 19.910.

We wanted to clarify the applicability of the standards for standalone ADU and for structures containing ADUs.

Um the way we apply our code is that infrastructure has an ADU and might also be a garage, for example.

The ADU standards are the ones that we apply to that development.

Um, so that we we don't have folks looking up the accessory structure code and the ADU code.

Everything if it's if it has an ADU, it lives in the ADU code and it keeps things simple.

Um, and we had we didn't have similar language or consistent language between um the variance section of the code 19.911 and uh 910 section for ADU.

So we want to make sure that those talked about what kind of variants um you could request for to increase the size of an ADU with one to make sure that those were the same.

Second our staff recommendations that um council vote to propose to adopt the proposed amendments again.

The uh planning commission voted unanimously to recommend approval of the amendments.

Happy to answer any questions.

Any questions from council?

Um have we received any additional correspondence from this topic?

Uh staff has not received any correspondence.

Well, I'm definitely gonna ask for public comment at this point.

Um does anyone wish to comment on the proposed code amendments.

You continue to have a zoom audience of one and their hands are raised.

Okay, Gabby, I hope you're enjoying it.

Um yeah, that's true.

No, Jennifer.

Um does staff have any response to the testimony?

No.

Um counsel, do you have any other questions for staff?

Um there are no more questions, I'll entertain a motion to close the public common part of the hearing.

I'm gonna close the public comment part of the house keeping code with the hearing.

Second, so second, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

All those opposed say no.

Um the public coming part, but the hearing is closed.

Um, is there any council discussion?

Um yeah, this is uh the unappreciated part of city code, but I think it's important.

So I commend you and your staff for doing this.

Um it's it's kind of like um, you know, you got uh the family arriving for the presence and you decide to look under the couch patients, you know, and low and behall, which is so uh that's the corollary I think.

But you know, when we we when we worked on the on the comprehensive plan, I think the comprehensive plan was what 30 years old, yeah.

And uh and you know, there was a general consensus that nothing had been done for three decades, and so that was good and bad because you know you kind of just put it on the shelf and left it.

It's kind of good in our one respect because we kind of struck a plane sheet of paper.

Um but at any rate is an unappreciated uh uh aspect of uh things, so I will salute you for doing it and and um it's probably not fun, but I do have sort of a technical question.

Uh did you use AI in any of it?

None at all.

Um for better or worse, it was all my brain.

I feel like it's BI intelligence.

There's no one quite like you, and um it takes a very special attention to detail and love of this stuff to be able to go through and find little tiny pieces that continue to be tweaked to make the code effective and you work in the best interests of everyone in the city.

So just like we cannot thank you enough.

I'll be back over here to do this because we always miss something.

So yeah, this is funny.

This is fine.

I'll share the composite.

I hope that every time you come before us, we applaud you to do that such a good job.

So um, if there are no more questions, I'll entertain a motion to close the public comment part of the hearing.

We're already done with that.

Uh is council ready to vote.

I move for the first and second reading by title only an adoption of the ordinance and then the municipal code, title 17 land division and the title 19 zoning minor changes to select sections for the purpose of clarification and approved effective file number CA-2025 zero through four.

A second body motion, Councillor Massie moves for the person taking reason by title only adoption ordinance mining municipal code, title 17 land division and title 19 zoning to make minor changes to select sections for the purpose of clarification and improved in fact ethnicness file ZA-2025 004.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

All those opposed, no.

Um passes unanimously.

Um with that, we'll pass over to our acting city manager to read the ordinance two times by title only.

Thank you, Council President.

In ordinance in City of Milwaukee, Oregon amending municipal code NMC, title 17 land division and title 19 zoning to make minor changes to select sections for the purpose of clarification improved effecting effectiveness file number ZA 2025 004.

One more time.

Um Sir Stappenford.

Me and I was scared.

Uh Council Stavendord.

Aye, Council Council Marty.

Council Massey.

Council Brother Anderson.

Aye.

Motion carried 40 orders 2260.

Um with that you might have missed it earlier, but Council Body has amazing household court that you made us all wait for.

So if you wanted to stay delayed at night, if you wanted to leave, no one would forget you.

Um guys are gonna all get lit down.

Um so this is pretty cool.

So I'm talking about food, we're talking about insecurity.

We've talked about we went to the Plaque Service Center, we kind of saw that how that's going and everything, and uh it got me to start thinking about which it's all centered, and you know, because they serve our families of students, uh a lot of them are walking.

Um and I I I reached out to Stephanie Rose over at the at the Clackness Foundation, um, to talk about what Ichala Center meets um in terms of like how they're what's their food pantry looking like right now.

Um and we started talking, and we were starting talking about potentially doing a fundraiser um to raise well, first we start talking about a food drive, but then she had mentioned the problem with that is you don't always get what they need, and even if we do get what they need, people who participate in the food drive tend to buy a lot of the cheapest stuff off the shelves at the grocery stores, and she said that can leave less items for other people that need it that rely on those cheaper items too.

So it's a little bit of a talking group.

So she said obviously money, fundraising funds to where then you have the pantry can then use those funds as an AC.

Some of the things like we initially talked about was a pallet uh baby phone.

So a pile of baby phone costs about 10,000 for Costco, but baby formula is highly needed.

So we started with that, and you know it started more, and she came back to me because I was like, we'll talk to your people, see what it would take to kind of put this fundraising thing on, and let's see where we could be most effective.

She came back and it was really interesting what she told me.

So I'm sure you guys are familiar with food pantries, but families go in, they open fridges, they take a look at what they need, they grab what they need.

Well, she mentioned to me that they actually throw away a lot of food that gets bad because those fridges are not commercial fridges, so the amount of families that come in and open and closing can't keep the cool temperature down.

So it ended up throwing out a lot of food because of that.

Um so they're looking at buying two commercial fridges, a fridge and a freezer with that are blast that way you can families can see through drunk costs they open the door.

Cost of that is about 15 grand, which actually isn't that that high.

Once we start talking about, well, if we do this fundraiser, we could probably pull the doors off of that easily.

So I talked to the mayor about it.

Um, because then I started thinking, I remember that slide that came up about all of our council budgets, and mine was not used.

So I started thinking about you know, if we did a not just a citywide fundraiser, but if we challenged other cities to do a fundraiser to try to buy this equipment for uh the Witch's Law Center, uh, because it does and it doesn't just serve our children here, um, and see if we can kind of get some sort of uh county wide competition going on who can raise the most funds um for for the Wichita Center for their for to buy that equipment.

And one thing I offered to Miss Rose was that I would be willing to put the budget command, I would be willing to put a significant portion of my council budget that I have not used uh towards that.

And I talked to the mayor about potentially about all of us as council pitching in to kick this thing off and say, hey, we're starting this fundraiser.

Here's what here's what the city of Milwaukee Council is doing.

What can the rest of the community come up with?

Um just kind of take this thing countywide and see what we can do to help the Wichita Center.

Who knows?

It could be something that expensive Esther's pantry or some of the other food pantries in the county, but the the Wichita Center is really excited about it.

Um they're doing the work on their end to kind of do the logistics, and I figured I'd present it to you.

The mayor is in on it.

Um I'm not saying that we have to put a significant budget of your council budget because I know everyone has different needs for it, maybe has a different amount, but I think mine was about like 4800.

Like I don't mind throwing half the towards we're about to get a new one six months anyways, right?

New council budget, so um, I'm okay with with committing a significant portion of mine, and I'm just curious if the rest of the council is willing or would like to participate and kind of work together and with all center to kick this thing out.

I'll contribute a thousand.

Oh yeah, yeah, I'm happy to contribute too.

I like I was gonna make fun of you at Council Report, but we're good.

Yeah, see?

If it's uh if it's uh legitimate expenditure of those funds, I just I I have a question about that.

Um I don't know what the restrictions are on those funds.

But um, if it's if it's okay, I'm glad to keep it.

It's a good question, cancer.

It was the one I was thinking about as uh Council Bothabati was speaking.

I'm not sure.

We'll have our city manager follow up with council body, but it's yeah, that'll be great.

Thank you.

So we're um I just have a couple comments because I have had questions about um the use of these funds as well for a few years.

Um and I think you know the the intent behind it seems to be grounded around education and training.

Um but times have changed and funding formulas have changed and the need in our communities has also changed.

So the way that I look at it is um these are funds that allow us to be um supportive of um needs in the community and needs within the city um that aren't being met.

And that's how I've how I've the council ledger.

And happy to add more to the conversation when we get when we get our official response from ACM relay.

Yeah, that was actually a great question too, because that was not something that I I thought about if it's not we'll figure something out.

But I'm excited about this, um, which I was excited about this, and I think this could do a lot of good, a lot of good for our community and for the rest of our county without having to rely on the indecision makers above us.

Thanks.

Well, um, I don't know if any of you have seen, but there's been a development application for the Milwaukee Floral site in the Lake Road neighborhood.

Um I went to the Lake Road NEA.

Um I live in the Lake Road neighborhood, so I will go there often and talk to some folks about this.

Um and I wanted to share with you all some reflections on that conversation um and some of the things that I'm hearing from my neighborhood about what we'd like to see going forward.

Um I think there's real frustration.

The people at the India get we need more housing, but there's real frustration that we're losing a commercial space to um housing again.

And if you look at the grid neighborhood, I mean we saw this map earlier today.

What areas are the half-mall watch of different commercially zoned properties?

Um, and a lot of later access is gonna lose access, or a lot of lake crowd neighborhood is gonna lose access to what could have been a walk-in community hub.

Um, and I think people are pretty upset about this.

They want to see us something to try and preserve uh mixed nature that currently exists, the non-conformate use, um, but recognizing the limitations of our RMG zone where that type of mixed activity is not created by right.

Um it it's a real challenge.

Um so right now they're in talks with the developer.

I know that our last neighborhoods to change, um, the developer did not want to pursue SMUs in owning.

I think that in light of the application, it's the restraints on the development we're seeing.

Maybe that changes the calculus for him, maybe it's willing to revisit.

Um I think that we as a city I'd love in our future conversations to talk a little bit more about this site and get intentionally about it.

Um versation about landings and where that happens, this can be the site that we have the potential to preserve um in its career use, or even proactive using up to the owner of the site to see if they're willing to reconsider um this owning of this site.

Um but to me this is a real example.

We have all of these land use changes that are coming, some of them dictated by the state, some of them that we've decided ourselves.

Um, and it's creating a lot of new housing supply in the city.

Um, but when we lose that type of commercial walkability or livable neighborhoods, I think we really lose out on the potential benefits of the growth that we're seeing.

So I I really challenge us all to think about okay, how can we make sure livability remains front and center as we're seeing this growth?

Um, and I see our small ministry's distribution as one of those tools in the toolbox to do this.

Um I encourage us this lot in particular because it is so special for the neighborhood to try and think of creative solutions to be able to preserve the stats.

Yeah, it's um the whole Milwaukee was it just up front, but just the retail part of it.

My understanding is the whole lot um development developed that the proposal for development bureau can speak to it, but I imagine it's a whole lot.

Yeah, that's what I thought too.

It's um so we so there hasn't been an application for the government, there's been a pre-application conference as well that's happened um at this point.

Um so we have we reviewed a couple of concept drawings.

It's the top two little over two and a half acres.

So the two um lots closest to the river um are going to be main are going to maintain be maintained in the current owner's um ownership.

So those two houses will stay with everything north of that.

So yeah, thank you.

Um with that, we're a little past Monster Master's record.

Um so uh semantics.

Uh um I would love to entertain a motion to adjourn.

All right, um Councillor Massey moves to the adjourn.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

All those opposed say no.

That meeting is adjourned.