Seven council work session.

We have only uh one item on the agenda because we do follow it with an executive session.

Um so I will turn it over to our city engineer Jennifer Garbly for a capital improvement plan quarterly update.

All right.

I'm gonna stand up because we've got a lot of slides and some good things to look at.

Um if you have questions, type up because we'll be moving on after we move from that slide.

So welcome to take questions and have discussion.

So let's first start with King Road Improvements.

I hope you've seen some of the uh lovely um improvements that have started.

Yeah, we are done with all the utility work at this time.

Uh so that's exciting.

We've updated water and storm water, and now we're working on our curves, and we paved the first um side path from Lenwood to about halfways um around 52nd, and on Thursday and Friday, we'll be paving the other half of the all the way 243rd.

So that is super exciting.

And then about mid-July, they're gonna um move over to the south side, and we're gonna make our way up.

Do you have to close the road as you do the side side?

I live right there.

They don't close the road.

Oh, we're not closing the road.

It's gonna get narrow, but no, we're not closing the road.

We won't have a third lane, right?

The third line is not gonna be available until we actually come back and pave.

So the only thing I can't um we are working right now to come up with a paving plan for the actual roadway because this gets a three-inch overlay on it.

Yeah, um, of course.

And in order to uh actually pave that, we're gonna definitely need to uh probably have some closures or uh down the one lane.

So we're still working at those details.

That is gonna happen in September, maybe early October.

I know we did horse on late.

Is this the second time we've done horse?

Or okay, yeah.

This is our second project reports.

So we're looking at finishing up um October 2026 this fall on King Bart.

Awesome.

Any other questions for King Road?

Great.

Um I've seen some great um traffic control going on.

Um they've really been on top of it, so uh I know that um PD has been really supportive.

Um and also um controlling and making sure people are actually slowing down for 25 miles per hour in terms of that.

So they're a good reminder.

So does you say okay?

One question I'm remembering.

I know it's not roadway that we own, but the portion where King has with Linwood.

Is Clackens County gonna design a bike box or something?

It's really difficult right now to go make a left-hand turn from the Linwood multi-use path on the King Road multi-use path.

I do not know.

Okay.

Is that something that we should reach out and ask?

Um yeah, I can reach out to Ken to see if he has any possibilities.

You want to go from Linwood to King Road.

If you're going Linwood King Road, um northbound Linwood to King Road.

Yeah.

Or if you're going King Road to Linwood, northbound.

Whenever you're gonna have to make a left.

Yeah.

Unless you cut a crosswalk in the middle of King Road, lighting crosswalk, and then you have to take the other side multi-use path onto the.

Yeah, I mean at this point I guess we you would be doing a two-way right across walks over.

I don't know.

I mean they finished that project with Lenwood, so I don't know if they were planning on.

Yeah.

But now that we're making improvements on King Road, if that would be a possibility.

So I can't say I think their um TSP is still taking comments, so that's another two comments.

Yeah, yeah, you know, get people to do that.

Yeah, yeah.

But we are working with um the county on Stanley, so I do have a good connection to ask that question.

Yeah.

Harvey Street.

We have finished the sewer and storm water.

We still have a little bit of water work.

This is a huge water.

I mean, we are doing about 1.6 million dollars worth of water work on this project, um, as we needed to put in a major line and transfer all of the services along Harvey.

So major project.

We are getting close.

It has been threading the needle on this project as we have just a lot of things in Hervey because of the water treatment plant and so many lines coming into uh that treatment plant and the water tower park.

So it's a lot, but we are making it and we were almost done with all that water work.

So is any of this preparatory work for PFAS coming in?

This is not.

This is general work that we needed to do before PFAS.

Okay.

This is just uh distribution pipe that's old and even updated.

Yeah, it's a big pipe.

It is a big pipe.

Yep.

This is storm.

This is not water.

That's a storm wire.

Um so right now we have started on a sidewalk and roadway improvements.

We're anticipating to be done this September with everything buttoned up, ready to go.

And so I saw in your staff report it said that um you're kind of doing uh not full road replacement because of the very future PFS work.

Um it's a future water line that needs to have a transmission mean.

Um that's a 16-inch transmission main that needs to go in on Harvey.

Um, and it's probably gonna be about five years out, so probably closer to when we're doing the treatment plan.

We'll be looking to see if we're gonna tag that water that pipeline in with that water work with PFAS.

Why would we not be doing that now?

Why would we not have money for it when we were doing this work?

This work is not a um the other one's a transmission main that goes um in between uh zone one and I believe zone two.

So it's a dedicated line that doesn't have services on it.

Um there's two lines.

This one's getting updated, this one has service lines on it, so everybody will have a new connection and on the bigger pipeline, and then we can get rid of our, I believe it's a six-inch pipeline that we're getting rid of, which is fantastic.

So, what size is this one putting in?

I think this is a 12th.

Well, okay.

And the other one's a 16.

But I could be a little offline, it might be a 10.

Hector's the one that's been managing this project now on site on a regular basis.

But it's a it's a uh it's a regular distribution pipeline that we're doing right now.

And the other one we um it was projected to do it in about five years.

Okay, so I couldn't move it up.

We didn't have the water funds to move that pipeline up now.

Okay, but we might do it as part of the Truva plan, pull that in with that project.

So the road is gonna get it'll need another rebuild, yeah, after that pipeline goes in.

Okay.

So yeah, so right now we're just doing a grind and inlay, but it could really use a little bit more um but because of all the utilities that have gone in.

So once that other water line goes in, we're gonna look at updating the roadway.

Well, well, I know that road is in rough condition right now, just with construction.

What will we grind an inline on top of that?

Like it'll be a flat, useful road after that point.

Yeah, it just won't last like 25 years.

You know what I mean?

It'll it'll get us through to the next project as far as I go.

So I'm hoping a good five years.

Um, but we need something on that roadway.

Yeah, so yeah.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

We've done grinding inlay on other projects too.

Yeah.

It just depends.

Um, with the treatment plant coming in, you're gonna have some heavy equipment coming in, so I think that could also tear it up again.

Oh, yeah.

So I didn't want to spend a ton of money to rebuild the road when we have that big project coming.

So this is this was yeah, just to put put some asphalt on there, give it a little structure so it's not completely communications with the neighborhood to tell them that because you know they see all this work, and you know, and then they're gonna kind of get oh, is this is this all there is, you know, when they look at the road?

Uh they do know that um through the open house that it will get it is getting a grinded in line at the end of the project.

Okay, so that'll be the last thing that comes through, along with all the paint markings, and we'll see some uh through the intersections are green paint to show where our bikeway is going, um, crosswalks, ferrows, all of those things will go in as part of this project.

All right.

Okay, we released South and 26th Avenue.

We're so close.

We need one easement.

It is uh in the works right now, and we're going out to bid this month.

So really excited to move that forward.

Um the only thing that's changed at this point is right here.

We have um we're planning on paving this um area, but we've uh found out that it doesn't belong to the city.

It's not our road.

No way.

Yeah, we own only a little portion of the roadway.

Wait, which one?

Uh this section right now.

Lava Drive you're talking about.

Uh past uh Waverly Court, this section back here.

Um we we own like not even half of the roadway.

So at this point we've had to pull that out of the project.

Oh my god.

I've been telling those neighbors in that condo for two years that it's coming.

They are very vocal about the condition of lava drive.

And I've been telling them it's coming, it's coming.

We don't own it.

I can't actually who owns it.

Yeah, who does own it?

Uh property here.

This this property owner here um owns it.

Not the condominium Waverly apartments.

I think that's Waverly Apartments.

So yeah, they never we for some reason they never dedicated when that went in, and they own the property.

So and did we start a conversation with them about dedicating?

Not yet.

I have not had the capacity to do that in order to put out the rest of the.

I mean, that's the worst part of the whole area.

That is definitely the worst part of the whole area.

I mean, the rest of what the drive isn't great, but that is the worst part that we're not doing.

We're really court coming down into that intersection is also really really bad.

So I am fixing all of that piece of it.

But at this time, I can't actually go out there and build it.

We don't have permission to be on the property.

So I mean, I wish that had been raised earlier because I would have called the owner.

I know the owner.

I've done events at his property before.

I would have called him and asked him.

So sign a uh yeah, scope this property.

We are going to uh work on those communications, and this would be a project that we could add to our private pay program very easily.

Uh huh.

So not a um, yes, I I can't do it.

I do think you need to do some messaging to the neighborhood about that.

Sounds good.

Help me with that message out.

Yeah.

I can't believe that.

Okay, that's Waverly South and 26th Avenue.

Street Greenway, Central.

So we been hard at work.

We have a BN on as our consultant.

And they are prepping documents right now to go out to bid July 16th.

Um, it starts at 21st Avenue.

As long as we have enough funding to build it all, we'll start at 21st Avenue, and it goes up through Campbell and stops at Oak.

Then the section between Oak across the railroad is a separate project that we're working on.

It's on a slow moving with the railroad.

Um, although we have some traction, we're meeting with them at the end of the month to talk um talk about some improvements.

We probably can't afford, but we'll work on that issue later as we find out more about what's gonna be required.

We're part about this segment.

We've been informed by ODOT that we need to have this under contract um by September.

So we are going out to bid July 16th, and then we are coming to council August 18th for um an award.

So it is a tight schedule as far as that goes, but just wanted to give you that heads up that that's what we're anticipating, so we can get that under control under contract and keep our 1.5 million dollars.

Otherwise, they might just try to uh steal it.

So and the 1.5, you're saying it doesn't cover the railroad crossing.

We'll have to find other money to do that, or well, it depends on what is gonna be required by the railroad, but some of those equipments I'm looking at is probably over a million dollars just to do some of those crossings we'll see.

Um I can't yeah, I need more information.

We have a meeting at the end of the month with them, but this project will stop at Campbell and Oak.

I actually have a question about that, and I know you don't know too much with the railroads thinking, but like the other day, you know, I'm getting somewhere across town.

And like here comes the train, and then an ambulance on the other side of it.

So the train is like going through, and then the ambulance, I'm like, oh my god, like how long is that gonna take for the ambulance to get to where they obviously they need to get somewhere quick because they're sirens were on.

Like, is there any responsibility on the train company to figure out like that?

I mean, that's so detrimental.

I mean, I'd like to know from our emergency service and a first responders.

I know from RPD it's a problem.

It's tough to respond to calls when there's a 10-15-minute train delay.

And it's you know, that there is there is a risk factor to the safety of our of our our residents.

So I mean, there's no accountability for things like that on the railroad.

So, like get them to move forward on something, some sort of crossing, because it's yeah, anyways.

Um a good example is at um railroad and our 37th and almost railroad where the crossing is.

Yeah, they have panels there right for their train, and then there's a nice length spot.

I mean, it's rail, but there's not concrete panels that go all the way through to the uh pedestrian crossing.

Right.

They just updated these and they didn't pull it all the way through.

So now they're asking us, since we're doing improvement to come through and replace that.

Oh, really?

Uh-huh.

Just you want to talk about fairness or whatever, but like, no, I big playing a God level.

This is this is nothing unique to Milwaukee.

I've been dealing with railroads for a long time.

And these are vestiges of the 19th century when the railroad errands were like were like the tech millionaires of today.

And they carved out all kinds of uh of uh goodies for themselves, and you know, they have their own police forces and all this other stuff, and and uh there's a there's a they're full of themselves.

Well, it's true.

I mean, the railroads have a lot of rights under 18th century laws, but um I think I sent everyone an article about the potential merger of UP and um whatever it is, uh uh Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern Norfolk Southern or Synth.

I don't know.

Anyway, um that might give us an in to like to to be an intervener or something in that um in that process, um, which I um you know I think we'll have probably a discussion at some point soon about you know what's involved in us doing that.

But um, you know, they're gonna they're good, they're looking for approval to merge, and there's a big public process around that.

And uh Portland has eyed that.

There was a Wellamet Week article, is what I think I sent you guys.

Um that Portland has eyed that as uh potential place to get funding to fix the jam up that happens at 11th and Clinton and that whole area.

Oh, yeah.

And then there they do tend to sit.

I mean, we don't have a problem with them actually sitting in Milwaukee that I mean occasionally, but it's pretty rare.

But there they have you know them sitting all the time.

They do go really slow sometimes too.

Well it's required because of that S curve coming in from the north.

No, like I I'm saying like they'll like creep in a slightly like I've seen them go through at like a normal speed, but then they sometimes they they'll they'll creep because they stop right off of 99 in that open space area where it's like that's where there are a lot of them are like parked, right?

Sometimes even when they stop, the tail ends will drag on where Harrison is, yeah.

But yeah, yeah.

I'm I'm just more concerned about the responding time to public safety issues because that's where I'm like that poor ambulances, or not even the ambulance, but the person they're responding to, you know, what just yeah, anyways, I mean I hope that opens up a door for us to because I mean I remember you know, 10, you know, seven or eight years ago we were worried about the oil coming through, oil tankers coming through as well.

Yeah, we're not seeing that so much anymore.

But um, you know, the length of the trains, the hazardous, you know, all of that, as well as holding up the first responders.

I mean, yeah.

And the trains get longer.

I mean, that's part of what was in this article.

There are some of them are three miles now.

Three miles long.

Yeah.

Are you serious?

Well, the marshall and yards are you know, north here, you know, off of uh 99 going into Portland or maybe, you know, the marshmallow yards are are made for a one-mile train.

They've tripled.

That's insane.

Sorry.

They were built for a one-mile.

Any other questions on the it's actually pretty fascinating?

And remember that this is going out to pay very soon coming to you for a war.

My understanding is so you've got the capital plan afterwards, you had treatment dollars that you were gonna spend on the road, or what do you mean treatment dollars?

I think you would describe that there were the improvements here, but then you were doing additional treatments on the road for safety, or is that wrong?

Um, I mean, we are we're putting medians along here, we are putting bold outs um at intersections.

Um yeah, the road is gonna feel a lot different when this project's done.

Okay, but there won't be any additional treatment to the road afterwards.

Well, it's getting a granite in lane.

Okay.

Yeah, it'll get a grind in inline.

Okay.

It would be pretty much.

But what type of treatments are you talking about?

I'm thinking about I I thought that there were additional treatment dollars that we were considering here.

I think about the response we've gotten on 29th and just the stop signs at every intersection, the linears that you've got there, the sign posting, doing something on 29th or on this section.

I just worry, I mean, to me, this is great improvements, but this just becomes a shared road.

And I worry if we want people from ages of eight to eighty using this as the central bike and walkway, it feels like these facilities alone aren't gonna be safe enough.

I would like to see this installed first because we are changing what's there now.

So there is actual medians, it is narrowing the road.

We're also we're just it's a little bit different from definitely 29th, and the sense of this is also a connection all the way to 205, right?

Because Clackmas County has done their section.

Now their section is definitely a shared road um concept.

So just how we tie into that is also kind of interesting.

Um what we're doing on the central section, I mean eastern, the Washington Monroe section.

We've got a couple four-way stops um going in.

Uh we've got speed bumps going in along Washington and Monroe on this section.

Um so I think we should look at it holistically, get it installed, and then possibly if we want to add some additional improvements or treatments, we should.

I do worry for this one as well.

I mean, I think the sidewalks and the narrowing of the road is great.

I still worry if you've got a high traffic road, which that section of Monroe is pretty high traffic right now.

Oh, there we go.

I would not realistically send an eight-year-old unrestricted to bike down that street or white over that street.

But I think that would be the goal for what our greenways are able to achieve.

I don't know actually what the goal of this section is because it's tied to Calacamas County.

Um, but if that's a goal, then we can look at it.

Um there is two speed, not speed, um uh elevated crosswalks going in also, which really slow people down.

Umbered streets stopping at Monroe, they already have stop signs.

It's different than 29th because they already have stop signs.

This is a collector, they already stop.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Um so it didn't uh yeah, it didn't make sense to actually put in four-way stops in this section.

Um, but there is already stops there.

They already exist, they're already part of there.

So now we're putting in markings, we're putting in paint, we're putting in crosswalks.

A lot of the section doesn't have crosswalks.

Um we're putting trees.

We've got a lot of trees going in on this section.

Um, so we're doing a lot of also just unifying the roadway and narrowing the roadway.

You also have to remember 224, we've already seen a drop in volumes in this section with the diverter at Run Row going in.

So that's exciting.

And I'm curious after we get done what the counts officially will be after that.

Which we'll do.

We'll we'll do another.

Um I think good to track, especially if we're looking at the railroad crossing improvements, are gonna continue to talk about that, thinking about how treatments have been working.

I do worry, I mean, I think it takes really serious interventions to meaningfully make it safe for people who wouldn't normally ride a bike or walk to a place to feel safe to do it, and I worry that these treatments alone aren't gonna be able to do that.

So just watching and seeing what actually happens, I think will be important.

Yep.

So in order to, so if you were to do stop signs, it would be east to west on Monroe because north to south is where the stop signs are currently.

It's the at the intersection, right?

Yeah, council president.

I think that the the piece you're particularly interested is delineators, is that correct?

I think the delineators, the signage, like we're gonna see on 29th with the greenway.

I think that place making is really important to have.

This does have placemaking.

This does have uh because we're trying to tie in the greenway from 205 along there.

So there is peacemaking going along this route as well.

Uh-huh.

Can you maybe from an engineering perspective then talk about why delineators would make sense on 29th and wouldn't um you wouldn't put them on this stretch?

Um we don't have medians and things like that on 29th.

Um so right now there's several medians going in along this stretch.

So it's gonna already be narrowed down, so we might not have a space to actually be able to go in to the other lane to come back safely.

So um that's where I feel this is this one's different.

Um like when we look at like 40th, that also doesn't have medians, right?

Like that's another spot that I think our delineators are gonna be really great at.

So I would like to see these improvements installed, and then if we still feel like there's something that we want to address, then we should look at it.

But yeah, um I think that's doesn't have to be the linear, it doesn't have to be any specific treatment.

The 30,000 foot view that I have with the road right now as it is, people don't really understand it's a green way, and I think that causes tension for drivers who drive there, kind of wondering when there are bikes and pedestrians there.

Why are they having to share this space?

Um, and I do wonder, even if you did all of this, what do you feel comfortable playing all in the middle of that street?

On a greenway, I would hope the answer is yes.

I don't know if that gets us there, and so what do we have to do?

I do feel like it's gonna feel it's gonna feel actually a lot different than what it is right now.

Um we're also centered, we're also gonna put a center line in, which is not right now, um, to really make it feel like you need it where you need to be.

Um it is getting share rows, it is getting uh so it is getting a lot of the markings and things like that.

Okay.

Um the inner the um inner sections are getting shrunk up, so they're really big right now, and so the crosswalks are you know to get across.

Um, so you're gonna when you calm the approach, you have to slow down because it it's narrowing up and it's bold now.

Um you don't have bold outs on 29th.

Yeah, you know, so it's there is a very different little concept going on here.

And oh my gosh, with like the extra trees we're installing, like you're gonna it's gonna feel yeah, it's gonna take a little time for those trees to grow in, but they're gonna be beautiful.

Two shape.

Okay, well, I'm excited to see it.

Yeah, keep looking.

Are we eliminating all the parking?

No, no.

No, uh, it parking should be maintained um as is um to parking, I think is on one side, and there's no parking currently already on one side.

So yeah.

Okay.

Any any reason why we didn't think about removing the parking and then putting some of the things that Counselor Anderson mentioned.

I'm just curious.

Like, was that a th what did we did?

Um, I mean, we definitely had some like we already don't have parking on one side, like trying to get rid of parking on the other side.

That also helps narrow the road when people are parking along there to feel that.

Um, so really um I always um there's already medium in this section, and it was just like let's let's pull that through.

Let's pull that median, you know, aspect through um because it definitely slows people down.

You just have to be careful we've placed them because you can't you know block all the driveways and things like that.

But we were cautious.

Um pretty excited about that, and and then it their ability to add trees to those medians.

So that was the other piece of beautiful location and trying to make it.

Maybe we were trees free place to ride.

Yeah, um, come through.

Yeah.

So thanks.

There's there is a there's a um a plan that was set up um originally for mid row, right?

So we looked at that plan and really wanted to, you know, people put a lot of time and effort into those amenities, and so really wanted to highlight that aspect, and that is where this has there's a couple things we might not have done, but only because they were just not feasible to install.

But that's we were taking that concept and bringing it to life.

Yeah.

I do want to emphasize what Councillor Christarotti said.

I love that we're putting trees there, putting trees really intentionally on our greenways.

Yeah, I think it's a great piece of placement.

Okay, we got a lot of work to do.

Okay, um, design plans are in final review for our um Washington Monroe Street Greenway.

They are take their time.

It will not go out to bid until next spring.

Yeah.

So spring 2027 is when we're looking at going.

So it's on our dot schedule.

We provide what we need to, we keep moving on.

Um, so we're getting there.

But I bet you we'll have Central pretty much almost done and installed before we're gonna start this project.

Just as well heads up.

Which is funny because the yeah, the county is this.

I was out there a couple weeks ago.

Okay, yeah.

I know all this like little gap, right?

Okay, we released the um we have full design.

We have full bed documents.

We need one easement.

I'm tired of waiting for that easement, so I have given them till end of September.

If that easement does not come, we will um basically abandon that open cut and re changing of the sewer line in that one section and just line it and move on.

So we will go out to Bit and fall.

I don't know if I'll have the easement or not.

If we don't, we have another plan in place, but we need to move forward.

We have funds from West, they will pay 33% of this build.

They've paid 33% of design.

So that part is um exciting, but it is time to move on.

And the one landowner is holding out for money reasons or what?

They're they only they're only here like in the summertime.

So they've been super hard to get a hold of finally got a hold of them, but um I don't know how they don't feel like they need to move very fast, and at this point we're kind of done.

So we're gonna do the best we can, but I gave it to September.

End of September to figure that out.

If it's close, then that's fine.

We're looking like we're gonna get the easement, then I may put it off the bid with it and move on.

Yeah, but yeah.

Because after this project's done and after we do our lining project, we need to do a monitoring program to see where else in our city we just focus on for I and I for West to see how we're doing on dropping our I and I levels that are going to colour.

So we have we have a we have a step that we need to keep moving.

If we don't get this done, we can't move to the next one.

Sound improvements.

We're in design, they're out of serving, they are up doing geotech.

It's quite exciting.

So we're looking at probably 12 to 18 months before we go out to bid.

And I say that because well, we gotta figure out around the bridge if we're gonna need some more right-away um for the new pedestrian bike bridge that needs to go in.

So they are right now looking that up, they're doing some geotech work right around that area.

We'll have some more information soon to see where that's sitting and what uh and that is counting, so we don't have to pay for that.

So that's the exciting part.

That's on their bill.

Are they doing the design?

Are they contracting it out or they're doing it with their step contracting it?

Yeah, it's contracted out.

So OTAC is the uh designer.

Um, so they're in full full full mode.

We do have a website, and it needs a little bit more work, but it's getting there for Stanley, but it's um we will start hosting hosting that a little bit more.

Any open houses will be posted right here in the city since the project's in the city.

We'll probably do like a well-in school as the open house because it's right there.

Um I would kind of late fall is probably what we're looking like for our first one, but we haven't set the date on that yet.

And are they still thinking multi-use pass on path on one side?

Eight foot power sidewalk on the other side or parking on the other side.

Probably a mountain curve with parking.

Okay.

Only thing I don't know is if on the um south side near King Road where we do have sidewalk.

I don't know if we can keep that.

If we can keep it, I'll try just to not take out sidewalk that you know is there.

Yeah, so it'll depend on that cross section.

So um they're surveying right now and getting us to that information.

Um, and we'll have more in the next like three months.

Okay, awesome.

As far as that goes.

So, what happens on Stanley to some degree is part of the Safe Rail to school project that we didn't get.

But are we also looking at site routes to school for the rest of the stuff that was in that project?

Safe routes to school is canceled.

Um because ODOT does really but I mean, are we so we we can build Stanley?

We have money in eastern to build Stanley, so we funded our portion of it at this point.

Uh-huh.

Yeah, without the safe house to school.

So yeah.

But I mean, there were other things logus and LGBTQ.

That's on Logus.

Um, and we're looking at that in our Logus project that's probably a full year's out.

So are you all thinking about Logus is a great example because that's how we get to the school?

Like uh another raised crosswalk there, or we're actually looking at two raised crosswalks at Llewellyn.

Um both borders of the school as a spot program.

Okay.

It is approved, it is not designed and it is not constructed yet.

We are definitely behind as far as that goes, but it's a spot program.

Yes.

So that will get built before the actual logos project comes through.

Yeah, the idea is to unlogus right is to have a complete connection from 43rd all the way to Stanley.

So yeah, as partial sidewalk, right?

Not all the way.

Okay.

So our sewer list stations.

Um we um passed a on-call for sewer, and we are kicking it off.

So right now we're looking at doing a condition assessment.

We have five current lift stations.

Um and that condition assessment is really setting us up to see what do we need to do at each of those lift stations and what condition are they in, and what improvements do they need.

However, the first project will really be Brookside, because we already know it's failing, and it's a pain to keep running.

You can't get parts anymore for the pumps we have in there.

So we need to swap them out.

So Brookside's gonna be the first project that goes off of the five, and then we'll look at island station as a second, and then we'll decide what the other three, how where they're at and what needs to happen.

But we kicked it off, so it's exciting.

So I thought Island Station just got referred a couple of years ago.

Yeah.

No?

Well, they poured a new liner or something.

They did something like they did something there.

It was closed down for like a week.

Um, yeah, yeah.

I I've been informed it's not that it still has improvements that need it needs help with uh maybe that liner failed and it actually needs to be actually redone because they're getting in, um, they're getting water intrusion into the well.

Okay.

So not like a emergency, but definitely not something we want to leave long term.

Oh, water pipeline.

Okay, so here's our water um wall water pipeline.

We just received 30% design, so we're we're off and running, like we are moving.

So this is gonna start at wells seven and four, go up 37th and Monroe up to 40th, and then up to our treatment plan.

That's our um preferred route.

Um however, uh during the last samplings of the wells, uh, we saw an increase at Stanley.

So Stanley well has PUS and it's increasing.

This time we decided to go ahead and pull another task order to pull Stanley up Stanley, down Monroe, and connect in at 40th so we can treat all of our wells.

Um where is a well on Stanley?

I guess I didn't know.

Uh well is right at the tank.

The Stanley reservoir.

Oh, there's a well there.

Okay.

Well number six.

Okay.

So it came in at 3.86 parts per trillion.

Four is the max, so it's not over four.

But it wasn't at 3.8 the previous year.

What was it before?

I want to.

I was curious how big of a jump.

It was a it was I think around one or two.

But it was a good enough jump where I went.

That's not okay.

So what happens when it gets past four?

What's the four?

Like, what do we have?

Do you guys shut it down?

Um no, not yet.

But like our we're we'll yep, we'll get there.

Uh it's so right now, right?

Four, seven, two, and five all have PFOS that have been above four.

So it is being required to be treated by April 10th, 2029.

Yeah.

But you don't have to like shut them down or no, no, no.

We have time to put something in place at this point.

Because that's a big I just curious, but would that rate a jump?

Like at what point do you shut it down when it gets too dangerous?

Because by 2029, I I know it's it's just you know what I mean.

I just look at that's a pretty significant jump for one well.

Uh yeah, it could just be.

I mean, I don't we're gonna test it again and see where that's at.

I would be surprised if it jumps that big before, but it was shocking to see.

Like I I thought we had like no P FOS, and I was like, no, we have some, and then we went, oh, wait a minute, we're getting closer to that limit.

They can.

They can.

So we're giving a close eye on it, but we are basically adding this to this project, and um look at the treatment plant holistically of like trading all the water, all the water in the city, so we don't have to worry.

And so that includes like the well on Lake Road and Well 8, yes.

Yeah, yeah.

Yep.

And when you're doing this project, you're tearing up all of those roads.

Um all these roads will be torn up, okay.

And it will get a new granted inlay.

Love it.

Yeah.

Yes, which is why 40th.

Yeah, I would like to look at when we get to our streetscapes enhancement program because we're gonna be right there doing stuff.

So I think about also, so is this?

I know there was a spot grant for a connection between 30 on is that gonna be 36.

Yeah, it is 36.

37?

Where are you talking about?

No, one over maybe it's 34th.

Um, over where oak connects that four-way intersection.

One more uh at the very ear.

Yep.

I know there was a spot grant to connect this T intersection with this street here.

Would this be a time for them to resubmit the spot grant?

Or I'm gonna be only because this is our treatment plant.

This is where our lower treatment plan is.

Yeah.

Until that goes away, you can't do that work yet.

Okay, okay.

So this isn't removing the treatment plan, it's just the poking to uh yes, but we can't remove the treatment plan until the upper treatment is completely done.

Okay.

So it's a good several years out.

Yeah.

But yes, the plan is to make that connection after that um after the lower treatment plan is demolished.

Uh-huh.

So we will start having some conversations about what that looks like and what what improvements we want to have on that site.

Yeah.

So the idea, right?

That that entire lower treatment plant goes away.

Everything's being moved up to Harvey and 40th.

Uh-huh.

So there will be space there to do something.

Yeah.

But not until the treatment plant is demoed.

Which can't be done until that plant is operational, yeah.

It's solid.

Like.

Yeah.

The other thing that I think of, I know we have it's not that full stretch.

It's from 42nd to 37th.

We added it to our 20-year fiscally constrained list, but it's adding a bike lane or redoing that bike lane on Monroe at that section.

Is this a time since we're tearing up the road to repaint it like that?

Or is that something you all have thought about doing those projects concurrently?

Potentially.

Um I know that we have in our CIP a new bike lane, I mean uh bike sweeper coming.

So if if we can coordinate all of those pieces, then I could see a potential looking at that.

That is another outreach that needs to go to that community though, because they would lose our parking for sure if we did that.

Yeah.

So that proposal had uh bike lines on both sides and with dealing here's and maybe that looks different.

Maybe we want to change that.

But that's I do know that proposal.

And it was just we delayed it, we didn't deny it.

Okay.

What stretch are you talking about?

Right here from 37th to like 40th, be along here.

Is that Monroe?

Yes, that's my room.

Okay.

There was a proposal to have, so if someone wanted to continue on Renroe and not on the bike way down through Washington as an option.

Um I do think I love the Stanley approach that you all are doing where you have a double eye protected bike lane and walking path, because I think it's much easier.

You get that extra space, especially if someone's not coming along.

Um, and then maybe that's more efficient with space so you can save the parking on one side, which hopefully makes it more palatable too.

So you get the parking and the protection.

You have um that's something in the law.

So it's a possibility.

Um the hard part about this project is we gotta move.

Yeah.

Right?

So now that we're adding uh Stanley, well, six pipeline, that has to be put in also because we're doing Monroe um Washington session.

I gotta get that pipeline in before they pave.

So we've got a little coordination to do.

But it doesn't mean we can also like come back and do uh with like the street safe enhancements program and like look at that over there.

I guess I also wonder, I think about the railroad crossing for the central Monroe Greenway and this extension that we're doing now connecting to the lower wall.

When we're making large changes to our CIP projects, are we having to re-evaluate the impact of those cost adjustments on the entirety of the CIP or yeah and I don't have a lot of fluff in this CIP.

Yeah.

So I have to pull, I can't just do a project and just add something after where the funds are coming from.

Yeah.

So and so as we think about like this sewer extension or the railroad project, when will we have a conversation about what that looks like the adjustments we have to make?

When when I got costs.

Okay, okay.

So yeah.

So all we'll we gotta figure out where the class is from the railroad to add those, you know, improvements that they're asking.

We haven't had we're our next we had a quick introduction meeting end of this month.

We actually go out on site with them with the railroad and actually talk about different pieces.

Um, you're gonna meet with them?

Uh-huh.

Yeah, we got a meeting.

Oh, we're paying for that meeting.

That'll be paid for that meeting.

Can we pay for it?

Oh, yeah, it's probably about 25 million dollars.

Are you serious?

I think so.

You should start charging.

No joke.

Yes, we are paying for them to be out on site.

Yes.

So they'll double it.

Okay, water treatment plan.

Um, we're just got the results back from our PFAS study, um, which is exciting.

You're gonna hear us come back in August to talk about that study and that memo as right now.

We are trying to get comments in and finalizing it, um, because we actually want the next step is to move that forward for funding for PFOS.

So August 18th, Peter, Tanya, and Steve, most likely, we'll be here to kind of go over that memo.

Um, what our findings are, um, kind of what's our next steps uh for PFOS, which is exciting.

The biggest thing here though is we are sizing the treatment plant for our whole water rights that we have, um, and that will include well six and it'll will include well eight, whatever happens um with well eight.

Um, so we're we're doing it all.

Just make sure if we have everything covered, everything can be treated.

So we do have safe.

Um in the fall, we anticipate having a site layout to share.

Um, so that's exciting.

Um, that'll be reflective of some of the stuff that's gonna happen in the memo, but in the fall, we should have kind of what do we think that upper site's gonna look like.

Then at the same time, we're working with planning.

We are gonna need two um different planning efforts.

One is for the demo plan, um, so we're gonna have to do a land use for that, probably a type one, and then the actual treatment plan is probably gonna end up being a type three that we're gonna have to go to planning commission.

So we're in preparation for those items and working with Brett at the moment we can make this.

So the other thing that um I think last time we told you we thought we had a possible two-year extension, it's not finalized.

So I wanted to be clear that right now, under federal law, we are supposed to have our treatment in place by April 10th, 2029.

And what that means is not just a plant that can treat water, but has been running for a year treating water.

So we are definitely asking for the extension is it because that is a super tight timeline.

Training plants take typically um one to two years to build.

So um we got a lot to do and still a lot to design.

We haven't even started you know an actual real design.

We're in study phase right now, so um, we might we might have to pick up our pace a little bit more here and move things a little bit faster in order to meet some of those deadlines.

Now, um in July 15th, we're um Oregon is getting together and having a meeting to discuss what do they think, how do they want to regulate the federal law and what do they want to do?

Um, and so that that's really the benefit of us hearing about it, hey nope, we're gonna offer that two-year extension, or they're like, nope, you gotta meet this.

I don't know.

We'll find out a little bit more kind of in mid um July.

That two-year extension wouldn't change when we built the project though.

Um we would probably try to at least have actually being treated water.

We might not be able to make meet the requirement of having um water for a year being treated.

So you know, um and the reason for that is like I don't want to give them an excuse to like fine us, right?

Like there's there's some stipulations there, so I don't prefer to use the money as much as possible to build what we need.

Um, but I don't I feel like it's gonna be really so typically though, I think they're gonna um OHA would say, oh, okay, we're putting you on a plan because you didn't meet the deadline rate, and and we're gonna be like, well, we have a plan, we're in the process, right?

And so we can describe that plan and what that looks like.

Um I ask in part, Councillor Chris Roddy has brought this up a lot, but this is one of the large, if not the largest project that's making us necessitate such large water reserves, and so I'm just wondering if we're delaying when this project is built, which it doesn't sound like we are, it wouldn't change the necessity for those reserves.

And I I more think that it's important to continue to think about okay after this project.

What is our reserves policy look like for our water projects?

Um, and I think we're gonna have that conversation at budget committee too.

Okay, that'd be great.

I mean, um, I think it it's also gonna depend on what that treatment plant looks like, right?

How much does it take to operate that treatment plant versus our treatment plant down?

Um so I could see there could be some costs that go up and some costs that could go down, and so we need to also evaluate what that looks like.

Yeah, that's so your reserves could need to go up because that operating costs you know has changed or could go down slightly.

So are we fully funded for this between our rate increase and the revolving state revolving loans and stuff that we got, or we still need we need funding?

Yeah.

So the next step would be we get this PFOS study done, and then that puts us in another bucket to try to get um PFOS money.

We I don't I so as soon as I think we submit that report, we're we're gonna start asking questions like, hey, how does that look?

What did that go?

Then we will need to go out for one more tranche.

Hopefully, only one more time for the remaining dollars because PFOS will only pay for what to treat actual PFAS.

So it's whatever that treatment is for that.

So it won't be included in that.

The quality of the water, we will have to cover that.

The buildings won't be covered in that, most likely.

And our rates that we set right now don't cover those costs.

We are anticipating going out for this branch of funding.

So it's not like yet, um, if we don't have it secured, we have a plan in place.

And we're moving in that plan how we expect it to move.

Um, so really we had to wait for um, and I don't know, they might pay for more than I expect in the POS.

I'm just not sure.

I believe it cover some electrical costs, which we need, you know, um the instrumentation, so you can monitor PFAS, things like that, but I just don't know for sure.

Yeah, a lot of those numbers were based on getting that money.

That's true.

Yeah, so we have a plan in place, but we don't have it um executed yet.

We just had the six million and then the um increase.

So but so far, that plan's still moving.

Okay, as perfect.

Spawn program.

All right, we got some great responses on the 29th Avenue delineators.

Um, I haven't had any, I've had two people call me saying, like, why did you do this?

But not actually mad or upset about it.

Um, so really good positive responses on that.

Um, we've had a lot of proposals for um all way stop signs um and basically getting rid of our uncontrolled intersection.

So the one that's working out right now is um between Washington and Lake Road in that neighborhood.

Um we sent out flyers ahead of time.

Two people email back saying, This is awesome.

So we're super excited about that.

Ellie has out been on on site all day, and she was like, people are really excited about this project.

So we're getting a lot of positive responses in that sense.

Um, we also put up some four ways, or it's a three-way um Guildford Court.

So just a couple little spot areas, uh, Rainbow and I forget the other one, um, street that comes in that also got upgraded.

Um we're not putting all stop signs in everywhere, but anyways, it has been a positive feature with our spot program.

Um, what's up coming is the Minthorm Crossing.

Uh, we're looking at a uh crosswalk there um with two ramps and it's striped.

It's gotta be designed still and it's gotta be installed, but it's been approved by SPOT program.

Ardwall School and El Puente are getting R fees, solar Part RPs, actually, and uh like Road 12 uh by row middle school at 36.

Um, and then we have 10 speed radar signs um that are uh being purchased that um PSAC is found throughout the city to place, so we'll be seeing those.

Um so yeah, we've got several projects in the works that this will be one of those programs that I will be coming to you at budget committee that will cross over the fiscal year.

So I they approved the projects, but I haven't built all of them, so it's a lot, but there's a lot going on there.

On the mint crossing, what which is that cross?

37.

37, okay.

So we were able to figure out that with the distance to the railroad.

We were okay as far as that goes.

It is mid-block crossing, yeah.

Okay, but that's exciting.

So um, and then this is our spot program sign, so we'll do putting those out at these places where spot programs are installed so folks can really see that this was a community-generated idea, and kudos to Jordan for designing it.

Yeah, um PSAC is in the middle of kind of really looking at this program and how they issue out these funds and things like that.

Um, we're not done yet.

We're gonna need another month or two to finalize that.

Um, so uh lots of ideas were talked about in June, but um we ran out of time, and so we'll see what happens in July, August.

But they are looking at potentially having a period of where they accept proposals and then they review those and then make a decision and then have kind of a break period where you're not you can you could turn them in, but they're not reviewing proposals um during a certain spot.

I did ask them if they decide to change that that we've write that up and we put that on the website.

What is the plan?

How is it gonna be different, and what are the stipulations on that?

So whenever that changes, we will post that to the website.

And then they will let their NDAs also know how that's changed.

So I do think with spot two things.

I had heard from some people on PSAC and some community members.

Do we have a flyer or something that we could pass out to people about the spot program?

I think at the farmers market.

It might be nice to have something to do there or something that people could learn a little bit about how to do a slot brand.

We don't currently, but I could bring it up to the next meeting.

Okay.

Well, I think it'd be I think it'd be nice to combine the this sort of what the sign is doing, sort of this is what we've done.

These are some samples, and here's how you're not just yeah.

I think Jen, we can we can take that on on the staff side and present something to PSAC.

Okay, I'll type it.

And then whatever they decide for the way that they're gonna do this.

I think it's important that you have the capacity, like their process for evaluating projects does not take too much of your capacity because I think we're gonna see even more interest in this proposal going forward.

And I just want to make sure that whatever system we create at the PSAC level is allowing you to work expeditionally expeditiously through all of this.

Yes, I mean I think it would be nice to not where they're trying to approve something every meeting, right?

Because I can't catch up.

Like we have probably 10 projects that are sitting on our docket to get through at different levels.

Um they're being they're they're they're cautious of that.

Okay, that's awesome.

Um, as far as I goes.

Yeah.

This has been so successful.

I live in the late road part that you're talking about, and people in my neighborhood love the stop signs.

Um I really hear from people a lot of the spot programs of what people are excited about in the city right now.

So congrats.

Is there a decision on the Harrison Maine crossing flags?

Yeah, I think they're gonna move through it forward with them.

Okay.

Um they're responsible for coming with the language that then needs to be passed off to Justin, and I haven't received that yet.

So there's a proposal for cross-block flags at the Harrison and Maine intersection.

Specialists would be especially helpful on farmers market days for increased visibility.

It's uh it's it's a little gonna be interesting to see because I think those flags are gonna walk off.

Um, but we've talked about that with PSAC, and I think they're prepared kind of to absorb two.

So the idea is there's a little bin and you take a flag and walk across.

And then there's another bin on the other side that you drop it.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's usually attached to a pool.

Yeah.

Um, I've seen it a couple, a couple of themselves.

Does all their crossings, Jen?

So here's new programs.

Um RC enhancements.

Um, these are the four projects that are in our CIP for this biennium.

Um, I would like to first tackle the 40th Avenue from Olsen to Railroad because we have a CIP project on that that road from Monroe up to Harvey.

So it would be a good section to actually um look at doing some safe street enhancements.

Um the other three roads uh won't get looked at until after King Road and Harvey get uh completed.

So we will start with 40.

Um and that potentially could go out to bid with the raw water pipeline, possibly.

Um, or we'll do it in-house.

So um afterwards.

So I still have to make that decision.

It will kind of depend on what we decide to install in.

So we'll be looking at that this next fall.

We have a six-year paving plan.

Yes.

Um kudos to Chris.

He um put this six-year paving plan together.

He worked with transportation, he worked with all of ops, um, water, storm water, sewer to see what projects are up and coming to put this together.

Um so our original program was established July 1st, 2007 with a focus on just the arterial collectors.

This new plan is looking at citywide.

Um, yes, we have a couple CIP projects that really were identifying more of the uh arterials.

Um, but anyways, this plan looks at everything.

Um we went through and did an inventory of our complete network, got new data.

Um, we use Street Saver as our pavement management system, and use that data to create a cost-effective list on when should we be storing seal, which we should be uh grind and inlaying.

So we came up with um a plan out into grind and inlay and slurry seal.

We will do one a year.

Um, mostly because the last time we did this, they ended up constructing at the exact same time.

We had all kinds of things tore up, and it was it was a lot of work.

It was a lot of work um and stretched us pretty thin.

And we also recognize we don't always have enough of either um of slurry seal to actually do it every year.

So we're looking at doing one year, one the other year, makes it clean, makes it easy, and so I'll show you the actual plans.

This would be updated every two years.

So whenever we're doing a budget cycle, we'd be looking at hey, what did we complete?

Was there things that you know we didn't complete?

Do we need to move that into the next year?

An example of a road um road loop is on the list.

I'm hoping to pave it, but I have some water work that has to happen, and if that water work doesn't happen, then I might have to push that road in order to get that water look in.

So it just kind of depends on the logistics on that piece.

Um we even did a community survey, uh reached out last summer and took on all kinds of comments from people.

We incorporated that into this plan as well.

Um, but really it is data driven from the condition of our actual roads on what we're doing and when we're doing it.

So here is our grinded inlay plan.

Uh so in blue is our 2027, and yellow is 2029, and then red is 2031.

Um reaching that.

We also wanted to look at this plan, um, making sure we're looking at um multiple parts of the city and not just in one spot.

Is there a reason why they're so geographically clustered by year?

Or is that just more efficient to do that way?

It's more efficient.

We get better pricing if you're closer together.

Um, mobilization of that um is really important.

So, yes.

So, like um, you guys did a lot of island station last year, but of necessity, there were a few blocks that didn't get done because you had to have ways for people to get out of the neighborhood and stuff.

So, is there a way you go back and fill those in?

Because that is kind of cuts against what you just said about you know the clustering.

They're right there.

Yeah, they're actually slurry sealed and not a grind and inlay.

So we just have a different treatment.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

And why is Stanley getting broken up into two portions?

Or why not do that whole road one by anymore?

You're talking about north and south?

Uh-huh.

Or no, not north and south, the south section from Monroe down.

It was the last slide.

One is in 2027, one's in 2029.

It depends on CIP projects, what's going on there.

That's actually gonna change now that I just added uh Stanley to a pipeline project.

We literally just made that decision.

So that is actually gonna change.

I will probably still have two sections because I only go from Stanley Reservoir up paving, and then the down part, and he might have actually that might be right where it's blocked.

I can't tell if that's the reservoir or not uh based on that picture.

That's a big one for the neighborhood there.

Yeah, yeah.

It's conditioned though, really.

It's it's where what condition it's in.

Um, and our street saver can break it down not by not just by a full length rate, we can come down a little bit more.

So it's really well, yeah, a condition of that street, where it's at, and what projects are happening.

Yeah, I only think for the C Street Enhancement Program on that south section of Stanley, if it makes sense to coordinate the Stanley section south of the king with that program.

Yeah, and the same way that 40th is being coordinated.

Well, 40 and 40 is different.

40 is different because it's gonna get done, it's gonna get done with a raw water pipeline.

Yeah, um, as far as that goes.

Yeah.

I just have to look at the paving on that um lower sprouts that we're not touching.

So a little more information on that soon.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

Okay, so this is grinding inlay.

These are all on the websites, all posted, updated, the plan and everything.

Um now these are good to change if um if we have enough money.

It's based on the CIP.

So if what I have for the six-year program in there, but if for some reason in two years we don't have that money, then this plan will have to change to adjust that.

Okay.

All right, upcoming projects, sewer lining.

Uh we are about ready to actually go out to bid for our sewer lining.

We got approved from West.

33% of that will be paid for, which is exciting.

And where are you doing that?

That's not that's different than Waverly.

Yes, okay.

It's all over the city.

Oh, okay.

It's you know, like a million dollars worth of sewer lining.

Okay.

Or those different spots.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So basically, after the sewer lining project happens and the waverly sewer project happens, then we will go and monitor our system and see what we need to focus on next.

So those are two really critical projects to get complete, so we can then um decide what we need to work on next.

Uh 20th plenty program.

So I'm gonna be back here in August to look at our ordinance to actually drop that.

Um that also helps tailor into our safe enhancement program because I want to also drop our bikeways to 20 miles per hour as we're building them and doing them.

So uh we've got a few, like 29th that we could start on, but I need I need to get the uh documentation and the policy written so we can do that.

So that's coming in August, beginning of August.

I'll be here.

Uh I think we have to do a hearing because it's an ordinance, so anyways, you'll see that it's on the agenda already.

I mean, would that be helpful for his staff to be in the loop again?

Or I don't know.

Okay, well, we can talk another time.

Okay, just find up anything.

Okay, and then Railroad Avenue, multi-use path, line one harmony, railroad and section.

These are all projects that are gonna happen in this next biennium.

So there we go.

I'll also be back to you.

Um I don't want to put out too many more projects that little bit, so we'll be pulling some findings to do best value for our next updating CIP um projects.

The lining project will go out low value.

It's okay, a little bit um central.

We don't have enough time, so it's going out a little bit.

But yeah.

And just as a note, this was a little bit of a change from the forecaster, but we have repurposed next week's study session to be kind of a deep dive conversation with you about downtown CIP projects and some prioritization.

There's a lot, I keep calling the mega projects that are that are down here, and they're all in various stages of certainty.

But I think it we want to present some scenarios to you that go a little deeper than our adopted CIP does in terms of like how you could prioritize them so that we're moving forward um in alignment with how you'd like us to.

We we can kind of keep all the balls spinning, but eventually we're gonna have to say this ball goes first, this ball goes second, this ball goes third.

So please read your packet when that comes out.

Um we'll be talking about you know, then the Mocky Way Park, a main street, um coho, a log, uh those types of chairs in the main.

It'll be fun.

In the packet as you're putting it together, would you be able to talk a little bit about the pots of money for all the projects you're bringing in?

Because it would be curious to see.

Yeah.

And the what money?

The pots of money.

So is it all coming from URA?

Is some of it coming from our model for that financial picture?

And just for people who are looking at this slide and think the railroad multi-use path is coming soon.

That's a design phase.

It is a design.

Both of those last two.

And prepping us to go get big federal dollars, hopefully.

Yeah, uh, and Railroad Avenue, like we said, is gonna take probably two years in the design.

Okay, maybe more.

Okay, that's all I have unless you have any other questions.

Thanks, Jen.

Good job.

Thank you.

Thanks, Jen.

Great job.

That was doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Appreciate it.

Yeah.

All right.

Uh so after the work session, council will meet an executive session per organ revised statute 192.660 F to consider information or records that are exempt from exempt by law from public inspection, and H to consult with council regarding the right legal rights and duties of a public body with regard to current litigation or litigation likely to be filed.

So, with that, we will adjourn the work session.

We will be in the executive session, and we'll be back in here at 6 30.

Oh, thank you.

We're in the big query room.